9.0.2 Shadowlands Discipline Priest Guide!

This guide seeks to give a rapid run-through of all the elements that shadowlands brings to the Discipline Priest and how to best make your decisions to prepare to play Disc!
Discipline Priest is one of the more unique healers in the game at the moment, focusing heavily on preparing for incoming raid damage by proactively applying Atonement before a raid-wide damage event occurs, then following through with a flurry of damaging abilities on the enemy to heal allies. While immobile and often vulnerable in their cloth armor, Discipline has excellent preemptive tools in Atonement and absorbs to rapidly reverse damage on allies keeping them away from death's door.
Introduction
Covenant choice 1:57
Soulbinds and Conduits 6:28
Legendary Powers Check the guide below!
Talents 16:20
Ramping 19:45
Advanced 22:30
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[@AutomaticJak]

Justtt an FYI: Updated the lego craft recommendation after this video. TLDR: Focus on Clarity first if you're raid-focused. Sorry for those who already crafted, but good news is that its only a slight loss in stats early on that you'll be able to catch on soon when later Torghast wings open up. I removed the clips in the video referring to the old crafting order so it should be processed in a couple hours so everything SHOULD be where it needs to be on the vidya. As usual, thanks for the support I'm not perfect and always gonna try to get you guys the best info and update things rapidly when I need to make corrections. Reasoning, new order and all that is in linked here: www.wowhead.com/guides/discipline-priest-best-legendaries-shadowlands#ideal-crafting-order-for-discipline-priest-legendaries

[@jeremy08c]

Those of us that crafted r1 Penitent one already, will we have enough soul ash next week (week 3) to craft the r1 Clarity?

[@AutomaticJak]

@@jeremy08c yep!

[@cakex7070]

What is the earliest date I will be able to obtain enough soul ash to craft the Clarity legendary at rank 4?

[@xxxGOFYxxx]

0⁰

[@colinprevost9]

Good stuff as usual Jak. Looking forward to those burst timers for when to ramp up. Making it easy for me!!

[@Soche2006]

Yep, waiting for those too as I just changed to Clarity of Mind for the first week and I was at the bottom of the pack as Disc healer... I only managed to be competitive at Sludgefist as it has 4 big damage windows at pylon charges. Let me know if you got any other sources for ramp windows in the meantime.

[@13h3r]

First of all thanks for you great job in community around disc priest! It would be great to see a guide around two advanced topics: * how to analyze an encounter and build a tactic for it. You mentioned it in the very last section, but for people who are new to disc it is kind chicken and the egg problem. * how to properly use saves. Disc has a bunch of medium sized cooldowns and it is not clear how and when to apply then. I think it would be great if you could take a mythic+ dungeon and walk through bosses and explain the tactic and then go through a recording and show these situations. I know, this is kind of advanced content, but this is something that is pretty hard to get and find.

[@AutomaticJak]

Advanced m+ guides for sure on the list. Can probably do a log video too

[@wiljosabre]

Definitely the best Disc Priest guide for SL I've encountered on the net. Very insightful and well explained. Very appreciated man! Keep the good work on, Subbed 100%

[@ohinianahiuhki9088]

Now that I finished the video, this is the most amazing video I've seen, insightful as all hell! Awesome job, Jak!

[@travislarson9794]

Looking forward to the Holy priest video. I may eventually move into disc as the xpac progresses, but right now with such little gear available, I definitely struggle with keeping everyone up as disc. Holy is a cakewalk is comparison, when it comes to AoE.

[@allyyyyyyp]

Disc main this expansion after pushing myself to learn it through pvp and 8.3 and I'm excited for Nathria. Definitely going for that spirit shell build.

[@Test-fd2vh]

In my own opinion and after some dummy training and lot of heroic donjons (which don't match the raiding experience at all, but as I was a mythic raider back in legion), I started to run shadow covenant with spirit shell because of 2 things : 25% damaging bonus on schism and mindgames (which occur mean in your ramp mindgames will deal 156% damage) which can be converted into shield under the condition of having power infusion (if not, you have more chance to convert it into healing, which can be still useful depending on the situation), and the bonus of pretty decent healing bonus through the spell itself and the healing bonus on shadow mend (which is way more used since the PWS nerfs). With clarity of mind on the legendary, the atonement duration will be long enough to carry out to the end of your burst even without the power infusion, which make it more regular. I run it instead of the sins of the many because on this one, the multiplication of atonements nullify its boost, meaning way less shield, way less healing through atonement/shadow mend. The lock on the vast majority of the toolkit is for sure a huge con, and I ended up fucked a lot of time unable to dispel something because of that, of forgot to put on my atonements before starting it. But in fact the crazy amount of shield generated can be also useful in a mass dot scenario, since it will negate a lot of damage and help greatly the main healer in a raid. So my conclusion is, depending on the encounter, one of the 2 talents may be picked, and running sins of the many 100% of the time may not be a good idea in my opinion (except in an early progress scenario of course) and shadow conclave should be considered more.

[@heatherm9889]

Watching this definitely makes me feel like I set myself up for total failure with choosing the covenant I did. My raid group didn't care about our choices and said we could freely choose, but I definitely am feeling like I'm now missing some added boosters since the top healer of our group is a Holy Priest and I bring up the rear as a Disc Priest. I used to play Holy... definitely have a lot to think about after watching this and determining whether or not I even want to keep healing.

[@wakemylight4358]

wooo finally! been waiting for this one since I just started learning disc.

[@Broomy718]

Great guide, thanks. I gave up on DISC in BFA after the constant nerfing but I'm back and willing to give it a go in SL.

[@joaomacedo4837]

Thx for the guide I have been waiting for this one

[@Syler321]

One thing I'd like your opinion on would be using Penance for direct healing. In raids during ramps it's obvious to use it as a damage ability but during dungeons or between ramps in raids, I'm not so sure if I shouldn't use it for direct healing on very low allies since it is very very strong currently in that aspect and can top of a tank when buffed and with some crit luck. On top of that since its healing is divided up into three bolts it's very unlikely to overheal during DoT situations or tank healing aswell. Currently I DO use it a lot like that whenever an ally drops below about 30% health. Another question would be which preparations you'd suggest before going into heavy mind seer usage. Just a simply radiance and rely on its very low atonement or quite heavy shielding and risking to lose the window of opportunity where you could use it? Thanks in advance for reading and your time :)

[@ButtCheekBoy.]

Priest>everything else Thanks for the guide! Can you go over legendaries in depth sometime? Edit: I should be more clear, with every priest spec holy/disc and type of gameplay pvp/m+(high end)/raiding, where they are located. Maybe when or if new ones come out?

[@AutomaticJak]

It’s all linked below in my guides :)

[@ButtCheekBoy.]

Thank you I am checking it out right now, appreciate all the hard work. I am m+ oriented and went kyrian am I SOL for raids? Is kryian better with Eva or spirit shell or it matters dependent on the fight? Can’t wait for that ramp guide for the raids.

[@AutomaticJak]

@@ButtCheekBoy. Shouldnt matter too heavily. Can run with either of them!

[@ButtCheekBoy.]

@@AutomaticJak Thank you very much for the answers.

[@Friday702Musicality]

Thanks for the small tips. Chose to main disc priest this expansion and have been absolutely loving disc priest healing. I just wish we had a true oh shit button that really negated mistakes by the tank or myself, but that's what makes us even better players. It's what I enjoyed with LoH and bubble with my holy pally last expansion.

[@SoleymoonPercussion]

Thanks Jak for all you do , you are amazing!! I'm so ready for the holy priest guide

[@Divisibly9610]

Recently got back into WoW and decided to main Disc Priest. I've started doing mythics and I'm finding it incredibly fun if not quite the challenge. My biggest problem seems to be remembering to use all my kit, I often forget about barrier and feel I do not use rapture enough. Other problem I have is getting incredibly nervous when things start to go wrong and my hand starts to shake heh >_> Hopefully this will alleviate as I improve and get more confident.

[@DeathcoreDude]

Im the same! I find once you start raiding you will get more use out of the rest of your tool kit but usually in dungeons you can get through it without using every spell.

[@mitskiworshipper5001]

um... ive been struggling with disc and i have 2 questions: 1. in mythic+ dungeons, since you dont rely on atonement at much, you use shadowmend instead right? when is about a good time to spam shadowment on the tank and teammates to make sure they dont die? also, i assume shadowment will be doing the most work here, and atonment is just there to top them off? 2. when do you start ramping up your atonements? whenever you can? whenever your skills (sprirt shell, evalgsm)come off cooldown? or when a boss ir mob is about to unleash a high damage ability? also, when do we use our damage reduction skills? when the tank is about to recieve damage? or after? thank u!

[@pewp3wpew]

Such a good guide, thank you so much! Subbed

[@PogoGuitar]

Nice guide, but a bit difficult to understand for me, cause my english isn't really good. but germen guides are so crappy. i think when i look your guide very often i will understand more and more. thanks for it

[@SuperSugar]

Lookin forward to your Holy Guide! Also Shadow (if you play that at all). Thank you.

[@gracetang2788]

Thanks Jak for the video, looking forward for those ramp window timers :D

[@brandon9689]

I was extremely down on discipline throughout the alpha and beta coverage. But it feels extremely powerful in the right hands. Im hopeful for strong representation of the spec in M+ this season

[@Kryptic712]

i've been playing priest, and disc since late wrath. i've always loved priest, however i must say the idea of a hybrid healer has always been a fantasy i've wanted to get into, but the new disc is something i've never been able to grasp and have good throughput with. i'm definitely a reaction based healer. i feel as though if disc got VE things may get smoother, i'd also love for them to get VT and play a little more like shadow and dot heavy. i wish atonement worked a little different, having all damage convert as a smart heal of 3% to the lowest health person or even for 3 people or so, and then pressing atonement would heal 50% damage to that individual. i did have in mind a raid wide atonement or even VE that could convert 25% damage to healing everyone, on a cooldown. and a raid wide PW:S on everyone. i also really wanted the shadow mend dot, to heal others, or be a hot on the target instead of damage. but alas, it is what it is now. i do love the fantasy, and i still play shadow and holy all of the time. i picked venthyr and wanted to actually give disc a bit of a better shot.

[@Kryptic712]

i would have loved the pvp talent that makes their prayer of healing atonement buff, for 5 people to be instant. kind of like circle.

[@stephenmoney4722]

i love it when guide creators don't say "uhm." well done.

[@hahailikecows23]

Not even 60 yet and I’ve been waiting for this one !

[@Squagem]

Just got out of Nathria last night -- got to 4th boss. I get the idea of ramping, but what do you do in-between? On fights like huntsman where EVERYONE is taking persistent damage all the time? I feel like a bad healer just ignoring all of that :/

[@courtsarful]

Great video! As always, very helpful I took Kyr instead to be more M+ focused. I assume that can still take the place of mindgames, just not as often?

[@AutomaticJak]

Ye pretty much

[@hdmoviesource]

Great guide Jak, just wondering: does casting a 2nd radiance increase the atonement time of the first one? Like how dots and pandemic works? Because I'm trying to figure out why you cast it twice?

[@AutomaticJak]

Radiance gives atonement to 5 targets. SO you radiance 2x to apply 10 atonements

[@hdmoviesource]

@@AutomaticJak that's specific to raid though right Jak? I'm assuming it is.

[@faysalkhan8499]

Hi Jak, As always great content, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on trinkets for Discipline Priests both for raiding and M+, and your thoughts on them. Though I’ve tinkered around I know you and many others on beta have probably got a bit more insight on this topic!

[@Eloenda4500]

Very nice deep dive to Disc! Thank you so much Jak! Would it be possible to have a similar video about MW monks too? :)

[@rinrequiem]

So thankful for you jak!!

[@TJR123]

Love your guides! So good

[@xamalion7334]

I think the shields are still way to weak. They don't hold enough dmg reduce and the cooldown is to long. I simply have no time to do dmg for healing ticks, because the real DD kill the mobs to fast. I play Disc since BC and it never felt more out of line than at the moment. It's frustrating.

[@Crix_Gaming]

You used to have a link to your Vuhdo Profile. I can no longer find it. It was about three years ago.

[@AutomaticJak]

Its in the description

[@Faminesixtyfive]

Great video. I watched your vuhDo setup video and loved it. Was wondering if you could say something about how to set up VuhDo to keep spell keys in place for different specs. Every time I switch from Disc to Holy I have to add my heal spells again. I've watched some videos that show how to set up and save key layouts under the Tools tab, but I cannot get it to save.

[@sugakookiesandtae5523]

Thank you for this Jak!!

[@marzipaws]

What's the name of the addon you're using wich appears the names bigger in the center?

[@martine-h5217]

You're the man! Great job with this one!

[@tywu1533]

hope you check older comments, are you going to be updating your grevious disc guide from legion? Really struggling this week!!

[@joseywales2740]

Thanks Jak, a helpful video. Surprised you didn't make more of shadow covenant though. A low cd reactive group heal that buffs your shadow mend is amazing in 5 mans, and coupled with kyrian it means you have two massive "oh sh**" buttons. All the best

[@davidle7864]

how did you find the atonement healing throughput in dungeons? I dabbled in Disc in BFA and atonement healing amounted to a Renew so I didn't find it worthwhile. I ended up spamming Shadowmend and occasionally tossing out a Power Word: Shield... wondering if SL will much the same

[@travisschwarzkopf5577]

Do you have a link to your healing ui setup? Your links say elvui but this video looks like classic plus different raid frames? I like this

[@AutomaticJak]

Its all in the description. I have a big screenshot which shows every piece of my ui and where to find it

[@axelwedelin92]

Hey Jak! SInce Spirit Shell is very much viable and the restriction on shield amount on players in the raid is a shared cap for all discs, what's your thoughts on having multiple discs in 1 raid? I know during testing (and during BFA) 2 discs has never been uncommon. Would 1 disc run SS and the other Evang? Will that make the Evang disc feel bad about being forced to run the suboptimal build? My guild has 1 disc 1 sham 1 pala and me having leveled and geared both a disc and a MW. I'm not sure what I should be focusing on as we get closer to raid opening :/

[@Shizzlenizzle00]

Hey Jack, I have been grinding the correct thorgast gate for hours past week at the desired level 3. But didn't get "The penitent One" Legendary sadly.. can't find the dropchance for this? Now I'm planning to go ASAP for the "Clarity of Mind", is this also a drop chance or a certain drop? :D thanks in advance, love your guides! Raid focused, but also like M+. Another Q: you use your Power infusion to get more attonements out in your ramp or is it more optimal to pump out more healing during the dmg phase?

[@AutomaticJak]

Clarity SHOULD be 100% according to wowhead. Who knows tho. Definitely PI to get atonements out

[@powhitehorn]

Spirit Shell in Mythic Plus is a requirement. I can't image running anything else, its so powerful and it will be necessary with prideful. Lots of AOE damage going out with "Trash" etc. Its a great damage stopper, certainly outstrips a 3%. Its clutch.

[@user-qu8wh7pp6e]

Why would you replace an absorb talent with another absorb talent at the cost of a constant dr? Rapture does the same thing in 5 man and you can also have the damage reduction of lenience. Like the whole pull with spirit shell is the ability to cover everyone with an absorb in a raid group but in dungeons that’s not an issue because of rapture duration being long enough to give everyone a big shield. There a few niche scenarios where I could see it having a place (devos in spires of ascension for example during the intermission, on tyrannical + grievous weeks) but personally, I’m gonna be skipping that dungeon on those weeks. TLDR: you don’t get much more, if any, value from taking spirit shell in five man content over rapture + lenience

[@powhitehorn]

@@user-qu8wh7pp6e After testing this more, you are correct and I am wrong.

[@MooTipping]

Hey Jak! Got your raid guides for Castle ramp timings out yet? :) Ty for the guides!

[@AutomaticJak]

Yep! www.wowhead.com/guides/discipline-priest-castle-nathria-raid-tips-shadowlands#sire-denathrius

[@TheWeanaFlo]

i really like your UI, why do you use vuhdo over grid? i struggle with the standard UI cause the missing attoment display, but yours look clean and has a very good overview

[@flo8984]

Would the penitent one as a legendary make sense over clarity of mind when I’m mostly focussed on 10 man raids? Love the effect and it’s also much better in m+ isn’t it?

[@adarvold5157]

can you explain HOW spirit shell actually works? The tooltip is very confusing. Does it transfer all atonements over to shields, or is it all atonements applied AFTER you cast spirit shell. Also why does mindbender benefit this spec?? Spirit shell is very clearly the frontrunner, and i am performing quite well with it but i dont really understand how or why, thanks!

[@FairyRat]

After activating Spirit Shell all Atonement healing (healing received to the players affected by your Atonement whilst dealing damage) and PW:R healing convert into shields, simple as that. Mindbender is great for Spirit Shell specifically because it has the same 1 minute CD so it lines up perfectly with every burst window! Hope that helps!

[@Grandy_UiD]

Trying to get into disc, since we are progressing on Hungering mythic. How long before an ability hits, that you want to absorb with Spirit Shell, should you start the ramp?

[@Grandy_UiD]

Also, what's the rule of thumb for PW:S vs. Shadowmend in general? Just "is the target at max health"? Do you use PW:S on CD on tanks?

[@tiagopombal2028]

Great guide Jack. What covenant do you suggest for a casual mythic low keys and raid hc player? Ty in advance

[@craigtrish2011]

Excelling guide as always. I'm trying to get in to disc priest but some things still make me sweat xD I understand the ramp up, but I never know WHEN to ramp up? I'm never sure of which boss attacks are dangerous enough for me to spend all the cooldowns on. Also, in dungeons, is it normal that I can't seem to keep the groups hp high? It never feels like i'm healing much and the pugs REALLY let me know that. Sorry if these are annoying noob questions, but would be great if anyone could help :)

[@stephanesabourin6760]

Sorry couldn't find it anywhere... in your export strings page.. how do I import the pastebin for KUI nameplates?

[@AutomaticJak]

/knp import then hit esc after you paste

[@savagedragn]

Tiiime to work on my disc healing now =) I’ve been enjoying Holy in the meantime.

[@toxxicteddy4550]

hey Jak, new to disc been playing about with conduits est. What do you think about the rabid shadows conduit (shadow) it works on disc average 4 extra hits and a fairly large damage difference on the mindbender. Its my top damage done in my burst window. Do you think it would be worth using for a future second potency conduit when paired with spirit shell?

[@drummerguy438]

I know this is a couple weeks after you posted, but what about necrolord? am I screwed by picking this?

[@fealls12]

Oh my god does Spirit Shell look juicy, so hyped. The bane of all other healers

[@Imasteria]

I am currently struggling with the disc in Mythic and Dungeons I am constantly at a loss to get players pushed up and healthy. Do you have a number where I can orient myself as to what HPS is considered good?

[@tesstchannel1256]

What addon are you using the makes your UI like that? i have a problem looking to the left to see my team.. I would love to have them like yours

[@AutomaticJak]

All in the description!

[@Murtn03]

any chance i could get that weakaura? wago.io doesnt have one that works for me but that one seems really nice

[@TheShinev]

Hey Jak, thanks for the video! What do you think about skipping Penence legendary and craft clarity of mind first followed by the power infusion legendary?

[@AutomaticJak]

Should be good

[@TheArmyDr1]

This is perhaps one of the best video guides you've ever done! Great Job Jak! Jdad-Area52

[@AutomaticJak]

Thank you!

[@intuneknight9681]

I got it I saw you addons list thanks nice video.

[@yuriyprystay2942]

Jak, thanks for great guide, a short q : do you expect spirit shell to replace lenience for m+, due to short cd and reliable shielding?

[@AutomaticJak]

Nah Rapture too good in dungeons. Not worth losing it

[@Botond90]

Hey Jack! Ventyr covenant good pick in raid and high key mythic+?

[@NikCification]

Thank you for this guide

[@dca374]

Do you think Necro lord is good for all three specs if I like to play them all?

[@Zulufrogy]

Great info! Would spirit shell be beneficial for a noob mythic healer? It would almost seem like the better choice. Thoughts?

[@AutomaticJak]

It is but it’s also a challenge. Will make more content to describe it. My written guide in the description goes over it more too

[@lejtan5997]

Will you be making Monk and Shaman guides aswell for 9.0.2?

[@AutomaticJak]

Will likely make focused m+ guides for them in the future. I write for wowhead for two specs and my guild is going to day raid all week 1 so I don’t have tons of time atm for videos. After progression I enjoy playin both those healers so I’d likely push some high keys on them and would definitely wanna make new vids around em

[@dog1783]

Great vid, super informative and helpful :)

[@AutomaticJak]

Glad it was helpful!

[@sigurdwerdammen1494]

Hi Jak. Do a video on addons setup ?

[@Rephlex01]

Hi Jak, nice videos like allways. Can we get your Vuhdo profile for disc?

[@AutomaticJak]

In the description!

[@Rephlex01]

@@AutomaticJak Thanks seems that i was blind :)

[@Evgenios95]

@AutomaticJak Is there a way to copy paste your UI ? :)

[@Redzure887]

at moment i having some struggle time healing with my disc 176 ilv in raids. :c i doubt if i will improve

[@lilcurtis11]

Should we craft a lego this reset or wait?

[@AutomaticJak]

Don’t see why not

[@lilcurtis11]

Thanks Jak. First time maining disc and loving it so far

[@netozo4973]

what addon are you using to heal?

[@justinriley7193]

Will you be updating your Vuhdo and Vuhdo Keybinds?

[@AutomaticJak]

They are updated

[@justinriley7193]

@@AutomaticJak Thank ya for the hard work on the UI elements, it's much appreciated by the old and forgetful lol

[@Canned_Corn_isgood]

What is that add on that shows your casts?

[@e.egebasay9011]

Cant make your atonement weakaura jak.. Can you help me?

[@ryanstanford3120]

Great guide 10/10

[@helikon06]

This is great, but no one plays disc like this anymore. Shield ramp is out, lawl spiritshield kekw is in.

[@Ventus123123]

Any chance you would go over kyrian covenant option? Soulbinds, skills etc

[@AutomaticJak]

I do in my written guides :) There are MANYYY things I could go over in the video but I cut down for timeliness. If you have questions about the written guides feel free to him me up :)

[@Ventus123123]

@@AutomaticJak thx thats helpfull

[@hebegeebee5028]

Dec 1: Craft Pentinent One first Dec 2: Craft Clarity first

[@AutomaticJak]

Yeaaa life moves pretty fast.

[@AutomaticJak]

I'm updating the video right now, cutting out those parts and referring to the guide. Would rather take a minor L for ppl who crafted quickly rather than double down on something after learning new info that changes the conclusions. Should have those parts cut out soonTM

[@hebegeebee5028]

@@AutomaticJak All good dude, just thought it was funny. Watched the video and then read the wowhead and was like, what what? What is overall harm in crafting the penitent one now? Will we be unable to craft another legendary by the time we are heading into the mythic raid?

[@AutomaticJak]

Nah by mythic week you can have a R1 and a R2 or a single R3. Its not a BIG deal, but ppl love their min maxes ofc

[@icxcnika9990]

Is Kyrian still the way to go after the Kyrian Mastery nerf?

[@thesatelliteslost]

Looking forward to the new Holy guide for us B tier weirdos. 😇

[@pewp3wpew]

Holy is looking to not be the B tier we thought it would be

[@Primeazoid]

@@pewp3wpew oh Boi how were you wrong

[@blckvec]

I need help. I play a warrior in 2v2 with a disc priest and he refuses to use purge the wicked. He uses Halo. Can you or someone please explain why ptw is better than halo

[@Primeazoid]

It shouldnt make or break your team, but PTW is certainly easier to get good value from, Where you risk getting interrupted with halo. Halo does have a bonus of being a holy spell, so in case he gets locked out of shadow spells, he can still do Some healing outside of radiance

[@21jersh]

looking good babe!

[@gerarozanova3175]

can you post the list of addons that you use?

[@AutomaticJak]

Its in the description :)

[@mischu175]

Why dont you include Shadowfiend in the evang ramp?

[@AutomaticJak]

Good call, should go out during your radiance casts

[@Atreyn2245]

how do you use dif. covenant on each spec ^)

[@beaugiov]

cool guide ^^

[@evis8022]

is there a way for me to get your ui imports? vuhdo and wa?

[@seungkim8540]

Can you update your addon info? Looks like your website addon infos are outdated (Esp Vuhdo). Thank you :)

[@AutomaticJak]

No it’s not? I updated all my exports a couple weeks ago

[@Kipzi]

Is this still relevant for 9.0.2

[@maiev2k]

Will there be a monk guide?,🤔

[@AutomaticJak]

After raid progress ya. Day raid life

[@samuelraber263]

i think that night fae is severely underrated because the cooldown reduction feels so good in so many situations

[@bryanbryan6108]

does mind sear trigger atonement?

[@AutomaticJak]

Only on first enemy hit

[@Jason-tm3em]

Like all guides has nothing to do with daily activities and surviving as a Disc priest in open world or for someone coming from the other Priest specs, so there is a lot of assumed knowledge on playing the spec.

[@AutomaticJak]

Which is why I linked my guides and wowhead pages in the description for fully fresh players.

[@Jason-tm3em]

@@AutomaticJak thanks for the reply. I have read those a fair bit (since probably Mists) and still struggle to go about daily activities as Disc., so I just stay Shadow as it is what I know. Sometimes it is easier to see video (monkey see, monkey do) but the frustration turns me off the spec change even though I would like to.

[@livebythews]

Can you get away with running spirit shell in m+?

[@AutomaticJak]

Nah I tried it in this footage and for awhile on beta and it was just sub optimal tbh

[@livebythews]

@@AutomaticJak damn, had my fingers crossed. Thanks for the quick reply my man.