9 Reasons Why You May Have to Avoid Ducati Multistrada V4

[@bigal5895]

Ok Mr V Told we get it you are a GS fan!.....and you seem obsessed with criticising the Multi V4!......I tested both the GS and the Multi V4, if you want shaft drive and economy pick the GS........if you want engagement, exclusivity, and garage appeal then pick the Multi V4, I did and have no regrets - it wins hands down!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I'm glad that you're happy with the Multistrada V4 - that's why different manufacturers offer different motorcycles. But perhaps you could scroll through the titles of my recent videos and then you'd find out that there's also a video listing what's so great about the Mulitstrada and also a vide mentioning what one may not like in a BMW GS. I'm no fan of any motorcycle and appreciate what's the best about each of them while pointing out areas that I know or feel that could've been better. I confirm that I'm a fan of a drive shaft solution, so I'll like it in a Harley-Davidson Pan America, the new Triumph Tiger 1200, Moto Guzzi V85 and BMW R1250GS. I personally don't care about fuel economy (still drive a 350 hp V8 car daily), but in terms of engagement, this would be a description matching the R1250GS much more than a Multi for me. Mainly thanks to GS's handling. Even though I still like Multistrada's engine and performance more than BMW's. Still, it's a very personal and emotional decision. I hope this helps. Cheers!

[@bigal5895]

@@VToldsMotoShow Fair enough, thanks for your reply. I'm not saying the GS is a bad bike (far from it) and I thoroughly enjoyed my test ride (120 miles), the 1250 shift cam motor makes the GS a rapid A to B machine. But I enjoyed the Multistrada V4 package more so particularly the engine, (which is sooo addictive) and when you are spending £22000 of your hard earned, that and the looks makes the difference. I agree its a personal and emotional decision. I thought comfort, riding position, and handling were quite similar on both bikes. I have previously watched and commented on your Multistrada V4 video.

[@EfthymiosBarmparousis1707]

Totally agree with you. That's why I also bought the V4 and didn't regret it

[@Art-kz6zf]

@@VToldsMotoShow Which Pan America has shaft drive..? Can't find it..

[@56364]

Ducati sucks

[@hexaforce]

Traded in my 20 R1250GS for a 21 Multistrada V4S 10 months ago, and the Ducati is a superior bike in every way!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I'd be interested to hear more on that. Engine-wise I'd expect it to bee more exciting than the GS indeed. I personally had high expectations towards Multistrada V4 yet I had to revise my perspective a bit after riding it. So I'm very curious to see the perspective of those who choose it over GS and others. Cheers and all the best with your Multi!

[@TucsonDude]

Could it be a standalone, one-bike motorcycle? My GS is great for long rides, but not around town.

[@pedrosousaGO]

Regarding the drive shaft...In that case why do the BMW keep chain systems in sports bike like S1000RR? As for the phone compartment it closes pretty nicely and with one simple finger press. its not supposed to be slapped clumsy like its demonstrated in the video...Regarding the power / throttle response you forgot to mention in which mode you were driving ...each setting responds differently and blurring the speedometer doesnt really tell how much the bike is actually accelerating or not (besides on 14:13 on your video it looks like a totally different response . As for the engine temp and riding it non stop for 2 hours in busy Portuguese city traffic did not made me perceive any discomfort whatsoever...Regarding the accessories price and being myself ex GS owner I would put BMW as much if not more expensive.

[@kjellbencsik4917]

:-) V-Told is a huge BMW fan, he always have been it. I rode GS/GSA for 14 years and changed to Ducati last year and no regrets at all

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Chain in sports bikes is I believe mostly for two reasons: weight and little power loss. It wouldn't really affect Multi or a GS. The phone storage case, well, if there are examples of other users having issues with it, then I believe I'm not the only one who feels that it's too flimsy. How to fix that while keeping the rubber seal still in place serving its purpose - I don't know the simple answer to that and clearly Ducati's engineers don't either. As for the riding mode, I always stick to a "road"/"urban" mode depending on a name in different motorcycles. In other words, it the modes that do not limit power. I hope this helps with the answers.

[@madmotobg]

@@kjellbencsik4917 yes, from watching some of his videos, I can say that too.. A lot of people switching from a GS to Multi.. hmm I wonder why. 14 years is a lot. Me myself was wondering for 2 days what to chose. After some research, I of course chose the Multistrada V4S Full, even it was more expensive..

[@steveaustin2012]

Try the option for gearing in a race application and less weight...basics

[@johnhansson8646]

As an owner of a 2024 Multistrada V4 Rally I would warn anyone against thinking of the as a "Best bike". The chassis is great (really great). The engine is nice for agressive driving - not so for more relasex driving (as in adventure touring). After 1600km the engine sounds as if someone has poured gravel into it. It was ok from the beginning but has suffered from increasing noise from valves and/or timing chains. The Desmo Ducatis have always been noisy but the V4 has no desmo valves. You need earplugs when you drive this one. At 3500 rpm, the noise is so bad that you find yourself prepared to push the clutch in case of a seizure… Below 3000 rpm, the bike is practically un-driveable. Don’t bother to drive in slow traffic - even if you can bear the enormous amount of heat emitted from the engine. The quickshifter, that was supposed to be really smooth on these bikes, is really a hit and miss. It’s great when it works, but it rarely does. When the engine is warming up, it works ok. When warm…not so much. Less than 50% hit rare. But when it does work, it’s really smooth - at least the up-shifts. When it doesn’t, and you never know beforehand, the gears will bang in, leaving you wondering how much abuse the gearbox can take. The dealerships (at least in Sweden) leaves a lot to wish for. Any problem I had, the response was that "a Ducati should be like that". The service person in my case, seemed to believe that the V4s have desmo valves and blamed the noise on that. That doesn’t give you much confidense. I got zero help with any problem with the bike. Clearly the warranty isn’t worth anything. But they charge crazy amounts for mainrenance (4000 Euro for 1000 km oil change). Eventually I contacted Ducati support, as I got nowhere with the dealership. However, they showed little interest as well. This is the most expensive bike I have bought, but unfortunately also the worst bike experience. Don’t make the misrake I made, believing that this is a GSA-competitive. This is nowhere near the BMW experience. It has a better chassis than the Bmw, and is really fun on twisty roads. It’s also better offroad. But that’s it. The Bmw’s engine is light years ahead in the adventure bike context. Bmw’s customer service isn’t always the best, but compared to Ducati’s, it’s golden.

[@stocks7765]

4000????

[@adrianberta9853]

You info.is not real. When I read your words, I think, that You told about bmw or ktm.... after 22000km.on my v4 rally is all in OK. Only sound 4 stroke I want change on sound 2 stroke😂😂😂. But under 4000rpm is sound very goooood. Ducati is not for old granfather, which want relax riding. Thi bike is for real shooter , brrrrrrrrrrrm and bruuuuaaaaaaauuuu😂😂😂😂

[@MarcPilon]

I owned a gs1200, Stelvio, Ktm 990, 2010 Multistrada, Africa Twin 1100 dct and many others. Chain adjustment is rarely needed, pay for gaz, enjoy life and acceleration and confort and all the good things this V4S offer - simple. BMW is for Cartesian engineers German type - Ducati is for passion, latin, emotion, pleasure.

[@bkrsrky]

I am having a tough dilemma. I normally am a KTM bloke but recently I’ve been using my friends 2022 V4S Travel. The biggest question in my mind is the gas mileage. At the first test of 70km city commuting in Istanbul it consumed 7lt which means 10lt per 100km. I am now trying it again but if its like that I will give it a pass and but the 1290 instead. I am not talking about aggressive riding, heavy traffic from time to time but cmon 10lt is a lot for my riding style… I was getting 8lt max with my old 1190R if I was riding it aggressively. I will decide it next week and come back here to share the end result 😂

[@HONDAVFRV4]

Drive shaft. Well just look at BMW drive shaft failure rate. The metal comes from a butter facility. It isn't good. You also mention the price. You said the same about the GS and how it is the same price of a car. You also said the GS exhaust was as bad as hell. The BMW GS might be cheaper initially, but once you do the 'individualization' to add features that the Mulistrada has as standard, the price soon catches up. As for quieter bikes, well you can blame the EU for that. All part of regs. The EU like to screw everything up. Make up your mind.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

As for drive shaft failures, I haven't seen the data but I suspect that we'd need to look at a ratio, not a sole number as there are so many GS motorcycles riding in the world. Price - yeah, both are becoming insane. Exhaust - subjectively there's a clear advantage on Multi's side. Not sure what you mean by making up mind. This is not a direct comparison of the two. I think this head-to-head should help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYGkhoWcYqeln5I

[@billrobertson5526]

Drive shafts suck

[@markomilic8964]

I stoped to watch when you said about sound, which is around 1:08. Man man man. change the exhaust system or put a slip on. Its a performance adv bike. Is the sound so cruisal to avoid it?

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Yes, to me it is.

[@craigfinnegan8534]

I've been riding a chain drive for years now after owning a Super Tenere and I can attest shaft drives make all the difference. I even have an automatic chain luber (Scottoiler) and it saves me a lot of hassle with routine chain maintenance, but it's still not as good as having a shaft drive. Besides initial installation, the Scottoiler is quirky, you have to continually keep your eye on it and tweak it, and cast-off lube is very messy. Then there's still chain and sprocket replacement and chain adjustment. Any one thing isn't a big deal, but the sum total is a burden. As for sound and feel of the engine, if it matters to you, then it matters. Same with looks. You'll be riding any bike for years - in my experience, negatives wear on you and seem to get bigger, yet the positives never grow old. Being turned on while you ride is hugely important. Don't compromise on that for practical considerations, especially these days when you can have the best of both worlds (practicality and excitement), you just have to keep looking, even if it means waiting another year or two.

[@matsrekdal3065]

Want the twin? Buy the V2 or the 1260. Problem solved. With the v4, you now have a choice. Want shaft drive? Buy the GS. Problem solved, again. Why don't people ever critisize ktm for not having shaft drive? I know you love BMW, but get over it😅 Instead of only complaining, tell BMW to make a smooth quickshifter, and better compression and rebound damping on the suspension. Cheap plastic on the switchgear? I have had the switchgear replaced under warranty on 4 out of my 5 GS's. It's known for being bad. Poor handling compared to earlier versions? Never heard that one before, but ok.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I'm not sure you got the context of this video. If you're looking for a direct comparison of a Multistrada V4 and a big GS, here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYGkhoWcYqeln5I

[@robynmolle5842]

You’re doing a great job keep the videos coming

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks for feedback, I appreciate it. Cheers!

[@LucaSuper7]

I have had my V4S for a while and, of the items you listed, the only one I agree with is the phone compartment. My other complaint is that the fuel tank should have a larger capacity. In any event, thank you for your review and keep up with the good work!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks for feedback. It means that you went with the right machine for yourself overall. All the best with your V4S. Cheers!

[@NorCalSaint]

Rally version for 2023!

[@keirreeves766]

As always, an interesting opinion. Had 5 GSA's since 2014, just bought a Multi V4 S, handling, suspension & wind protection are in a different league plus the fun factor is off the charts. I prefer shaft drive but improvements in chain technology & lubricants/cleaning products mean that chain drive is nowhere near such a pain as it used to be. I find that adjustment can be left to when a tyre change is required. The solution to the suit phone compartment is simple, don't use it, besides without vibration damping you risk ruining you expensive phone.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I loved the phone compartment solution - it make me laugh and actually sounds like a real solution to Italian "inventions". But I wonder what you meant when comparing handling, suspension and wind protection in comparison to GS/GSA.

[@keirreeves766]

@@VToldsMotoShow I live in North Wales, most of my riding is done on quiet twisty roads at a swift pace. I find the Multistrada turns in & changes direction much quicker than the GSA plus holds a much tighter line, it also copes a lot better with mid-bend bumps & poor road surfaces. In terms of wind protection I can have my visor fully open or wear an open face helmet at 70mph without my eyes streaming, this I could never do on my GSAs. There is a little more wind on my shoulders but because of the riding position this never becomes a problem. I do not ride the Multi like I rode my GSA, I am usually 1 gear lower & 1,000rpm higher, in other words I have adapted my riding style to suit the characteristics of the bike. If I could change one thing on the Multi it would be the fuel consumption, I can only dream about the 54mpg I used to get out of my GSA!

[@myousic4564]

@@keirreeves766 what are your thoughts on multi one year later? :) I'm about to choose between 1300GS and V4S multi... :)

[@keirreeves766]

A year further down the road & a very expensive new GS have not changed my mind, the Multistrada V4S is still the bike to have. When it comes to changeover time I might go for the Rally purely for the convenience of the extra range not that I have any objection to stopping every 150 miles of spirited riding. What I didn’t mention was the pride of ownership that you get from this Ducati, something I never had owning 5 BMW GSAs over an 8 year period.

[@myousic4564]

@@keirreeves766 great to hear that you didn't change your mind :) I'm going for a test ride near summer :)

[@gregmatty6393]

Thanks for the insight. You are one of the view reviewers of this bike who did not mentioned the limited fuel range of the stock tank. That is a deal killer for me.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I really do not care about fuel consumption of motorcycles at all. It's likely never going to reach a scary spot for me with those small displacement engines. Driving petrol V8s in Europe with those local fuel prices taught me to appreciate any motorcycle's fuel consumption. That's why in my case.

[@gregmatty6393]

Fair point but a lot of comments have been made about less than a 200 mile range after filling up.

[@rz6913]

I had a chance to test ride the multistrada vr4 rally twice. It definitely puts a smile on your face at higher speeds, but I noticed that the Triumph tiger rally 1200 was more responsive, felt lighter, and easier to ride for some reason. It does come with a full crash bar, drive shaft, and all the electronics just as the ducati and its $10k cheaper. Not sure which way to go.

[@jonnydoey6184]

Very good video. I test drove a V4s yesterday and it didn't excite me that much either. The criticisms are all correct. To the one with the scooter, however, I had to think a bit, but have come to understand what is meant😂. Hook for abo👍

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I've seen that "feels like a scooter" statement writtne by someone here in the comments under my full review of this Multistrada and also realised how much sense it actually makes - but it does! ;)

[@Gazooka]

I agree on the drive shaft, like yeah chains give the most efficient power delivery, they’re light and (relatively) cheap should they break or need replacing. But this is an adventure touring motorcycle, it isn’t a fast and nimble panagale v4 so shouldn’t need to shave weight off with a lighter chainto get more power and flick ability. It’s designed to go on long trips both on and off road and a chain is more likely to come off due to rocks and stuff. The chain on this bike is the only thing stopping me from trading in my r1250rs, I love the touring and never worry about the oiling or cleaning of a chain (and I do love cleaning my bike, but on my old bike the chain was the one thing I hated most).

[@pl1068]

Honda Crosstourer, V4 power house of an engine, no heat, no vibes just lots of bottom end torque and shaft drive too 😊

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Sounds sweet and I wonder about the reasons of it being discontinued. My guess would be low sales due to its looks.

[@pl1068]

@@VToldsMotoShow I believe it’s to do with emissions, sadly all Honda are pumping out for now are parallel twins😬

[@BULTAC0]

I agree with your point around gearing, and I haven’t even ridden a V4, just formed my opinion from watching videos and comparing gear ratios with the L2. I do have an order in on a V4S PP, but i will definitely be taking a V4 for a decent test ride proceeding

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Wow, Pikes Peak sounds even more exciting than the regular V4/V4S! I hope you'll enjoy everything that it's got to offer.

[@jr.6199]

How did your PP work out?

[@maldridge7630]

So, now I think that Truimph might be a better option than both BMW and Ducati...you gave me plenty of reasons to stay away from the S1000XR and Ducati Multistrada V4, so I should either stick with Japenese or try Truimph... Why don't you test out the latest Truimph Tiger 1200...

[@VToldsMotoShow]

The new Triumph Tiger looks interesting and appealing. If it could have the power of a Multistrada or XR along with GS's handling and comfort, it would be the winner. I doubt that at the moment but I'm aiming to try it this year as it's a big announcement for this year. If money wouldn't be the case (doesn't have to be if one chooses a used bike), I personally wouldn't look at Japanese bikes in any category. Maybe just the sports bikes, Gold Wing and Tracer 9/Niken.

[@milesdavis8665]

Triumphs seem to be more reliable to. Can't wait till that new tiger 1200 comes out. Interested to see what everyone thinks of it

[@steveallan3306]

I bought a GS last year and Im glad I watched this ; ) Full disclosure - I still like the Multistrada

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Both are worth considering and sometimes it's just some details can influence the final decision. I hope you're happy with your GS.

[@awesomeagnihotrisvlog]

Why do you like the multistrada mate?? Iam deciding between the two ( GS and V4s)….safe miles🙌

[@steveallan3306]

@@awesomeagnihotrisvlog I like the looks, engine and tech on the Multistrada, plus, well, its a beautiful Ducati! If I had to decide again, I would have to test ride both. Before I bought my GS, I was going to buy an Africa Twin, but after test rides, the GS to me felt like a next level up and it was an easy decision to make. I'm very happy with my GS and wont need to decide what's going to replace it for another 3 years.

[@awesomeagnihotrisvlog]

@@steveallan3306 Awsmmmmm Steve …here’s wishin you a very happy and fulfilled miles🙌

[@steveallan3306]

@@awesomeagnihotrisvlog Many thanks! You too. Please come back here once you have chosen and let us know how you are getting on!

[@martinstranak1197]

Just ab out to get some new wheels for the season. Should I test ride Multistrada, GS or Tiger, since I mostly ride on tarmac? I was originally after K1600 but it sems a little heavy to me.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Please don't take into account the offroad capabilities. These bikes are fantastic on the road and provide comfort like not many others from within other categories. Large wheels and suspension travel lets them keep much more composure in many situations while not necessarily giving up on anything. I'd say try them all!

[@martinstranak1197]

@@VToldsMotoShow Thx a bunch 🤝

[@vmotobiker]

You're quite entertaining. Your bias is so evident. I appreciate your comments so much I'm going to buy 2 Ducatis today, thank you.

[@Steviegtr52]

I have owned a 1200s since purchased new in 2017. Yes the chain is a always needing adjusting. But just one question for you. Why do the BSB. The WSB. And the Motogp bikes not have shaft drive. Because it is not stable in a performance bike. Steve.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I believe there may be plenty of reasons but I doubt that they apply to the adventure category much, where other preferences are so strongly present. BMW proves that it can be very successfully implemented. Cheers!

[@jorgeibarra6274]

I'm just about to buy a 2021 ducati v4s, My only concern is the heat on the left side issue, I'd love to hear from the owners that do all modes of touring and do long distance in over 90 deg F.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

If I may add on top of that, then while touring I wouldn't expect this to be an issue at all. Provided that you don't stop very often, airflow will get anything out of the way and cool the engine area enough I believe. The other thing is that under other videos, I've noticed riders noticing the heat just like myself, so it's definitely there. The question is if it could bother you in your riding conditions.

[@TucsonDude]

Yeah, my S1000R has that issue (on both sides) and I don't like that at all.

[@brucekendall52]

Another fair and honest assessment.Thanks.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Very welcome

[@briank3754]

BMW has been engineering and improving drive shaft design for decades. There is simply no way Ducati could just implement a top notch dive shaft overnight. Additionally, if a chain breaks it’s easily replaceable. If the drive shaft goes…

[@war6431]

Very well stated.

[@aurorajones8481]

I love a great sounding bike. Even loud. But I bought this to do a lot including moto camping. In that I don't want to be that guy at camp. The bike is more than enough. I track it. I run from cops with it, I blast through dirt roads on it, moto camp, long distance tour... its amazing. You don't need an upgraded can its fine as is. If this is your only bike and you don't give two shits about that then go for it. I have a friend w/ it and it does sound dope.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I get your point of view and in those circumstances, then of course it will do fine as it is - I agree. It's not bad but quiet. If you ride a lot, you may appreciate it being quieter than louder I think.

[@anxiousappliance]

@@VToldsMotoShow For the rider, the airbox is where the sound is. Pipes are mainly for uninterested and annoyed pedestrians. The stock pipe sounds pretty loud though at idle - typical ducati IMO.

[@ADobbin1]

Say what you want about chains drive... They are really easy and cheap to do maintenance on and reliable for the cost compared to shaft drive.

[@joeymercedes773]

Can i ask what is the best adventure bike for you.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you. The safest choice that will please most riders is for sure BMW R1250GS and also the sales figures prove that. However, I personally would choose something less refined, worse-handling (even though I love how the GS handles), but with better straight-line performance and a great-sounding V2 engine. So it won't please everybody. But yes, as a whole package I guess we could defend an opinion that it's the most complete and rewarding.

[@hrmacdonald4471]

I agree 100% the Multistrada should have shaft-drive. Even if I liked all the other features of this bike, not having shaft-drive would be a deal breaker. I laughed but agree with what you said about the Harley Pan American being, " the ugliest human creation on earth". Excellent video as usual, thanks for posting & stay safe!

[@maldridge7630]

Wait, I thought the ugliest human creation on earth was the Pontiac Aztek 🤔

[@hrmacdonald4471]

@@maldridge7630 Definitely a runner-up for sure...lol.

[@anxiousappliance]

never a shaft - not the bike for you.

[@philipkorologos9445]

I've got over 30,000 on my V4S. Responses: 1. Exhaust-- I ride my bike for performance, not for sound. 2. chain drive--less complex, easier to fix in the outback; your comparisons are not "multi" bikes that are intended to ride offroad. I use engine oil on a scrib brush every 750 miles to wipe the chain--takes 10 minutes. 3. Feel/switches. Really? No. 3? Never had an issue closing my phone compartment. 4. Handling. I can crush my friends who ride BMW GS and BMW RT. Why would you ride a bike at an RPM that doesn't make sense for the bike other than to make a bogus claim against the bike? You clearly haven't ridden the bike enough to understand and utilize its gearing and power. 6. Scooter--Who doesn't like smooth at high RPM? My only flaw in the bike is that you can't set cruise control faster than 98 mph! 7. Hot on left leg. I rode in Nevada at 115 degrees F, didn't have an issue. 8. Expensive. If you can't afford it, buy a tractor (aka GS). Yes, it costs more to service too, but if cost is an issue, go elsewhere. 9. Accessories. See answer to question 8--if you can't afford it, compromise for price, and get a different bike.

[@TheChindoboi]

As a r1200gs owner, Drive shaft is not maintenance free... Need to lube the shaft splines or pay for someone to do it or risk splines seizing... It's a real pain in the behind to maintain the shaft splines in general...

[@VToldsMotoShow]

If you're riding 100.000 km per year, then I believe that even replacing and engine would count as maintenance. Not really a valid example in my understanding.

[@lilreddevil600]

I have over 17,000 km on my Multi V4S At $175/hour for a certified Ducati tech, I’m happy to not have the maintenance bill that goes with having a Desmo, no matter how cool the engine note sounds. 60,000 km until the first major service? Yeah, I’ll take that. When your driveshaft fails - and it will fail - I hope you have a lot of cash on hand and don’t mind waiting for a tow truck. Oh, and at least a week for the dealer to get the part in for you. A shaft drive also adds considerably more cost to an already expensive bike. Routine chain maintenance takes less time than cleaning the bike after a ride. The buttons don’t look nice? Good grief, you’re searching for something to complain about. Ditto for the hatch cover; who are these people that can’t master closing this thing? There are two legit complaints about the Multi: it’s a thirsty bike, especially in Sport mode, and the infotainment app needs improvement (to be fair, the latter has gotten better since I took delivery of the bike).

[@GBari3]

first point: pointing out Ducati for loosing its dna because of the V4 second point: preteding the drive shaft would not be loosing DNA.... WTF?

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Drive shaft would improve that DNA in my eyes. V4 downgraded it. "Losing" is a figure of speech, however Ducatis have always been having great-sounding V2 engines and I really liked that style. V4 is not superior to a V2 nor inferior, just different. Drive shaft is in my opinion superior to chain.

[@phatlakersfan1]

1) switches on Ducati feel better than any BMW every made. BMW switch housing is so flimsy it feels like it’s not secured to the handle bar. 2) I will grab the multi and do laps around the gs (on asphalt). Handling is one area with clear advantage over gs.. 3) not having a driveshaft is an ignorant decision by Ducati and a deal breaker for me as well. Specially since shady technology has improved and now not as heavy as before (new tiger is a good example). 3) multi’s fuel mileage and unnecessary high rpm is not good for a bike in this category.

[@josephfelice601]

Mr. V-Told have you tried the Pikes Peak?

[@VToldsMotoShow]

No, I have not. I haven't even seen one ever I think - it seems like a pretty rare sight.

[@4x15mph]

I don’t understand the idea of shaft drives requiring less maintenance. Do you see the bmw recalls, ongoing spline issues/maintenance requirements, and the cost to replace? You don’t see shaft drives running Dakar or motogp. I like your videos and just had this comment after watching this one. I have a multistrada 1260 enduro and it is exclusive, exhilarating, and performance oriented. Similar to my Ktm 1190r but with some Italian flare

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Actually, I don't see the recalls but if a more complicated part fails, it will hurt more. Now, if you're lucky, you won't really have to touch it. Thanks for mentioning it as failure is a scenario that should be taken into account.

[@drsecodentalclinic3353]

I love ur shirt bro.Where to buy?

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Both are from Big Star - the red one with "No limits" on it and the pinky too.

[@yanzm6713]

Ok then I'm getting the V2S 😹

[@VToldsMotoShow]

That could be an interesting one.

[@briank3754]

I traded in a Desert X for the Multistrada V4s. So far I don’t care for the Multi. I can’t believe how lifeless the engine feels. Yes, it’s comfortable and it corners well. But, I wish I would have just stuck with my Desert X. The Desmo engine in the Desert feels more powerful despite the fact that it has 60 less horsepower. The Desert X ride quality is just plain better than the Multi. That “Skyhook” suspension just sucks. I’ve tried several settings and preload adjustments and the Multi still feels strange and the suspension sucks. I may just trade the Multi back in for another Desert X. I can’t believe how uninspiring the Multi V4 is.

[@johnnievw]

Bought one and ur right on couple points and not on a couple and u missed a big one. Sketchy at low speeds in gearing u nailed it. Wrong on shaft (I came from k1600 hated that little clunk). Wrong on handling for sure as it’s awesome. Missed fuel consumption as it’s terrible. But man is it fun!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

It's always going to be subjective up to some point. There are better and worse driveshafts for sure. I'd never had anything against the one in the boxer BMWs or the current Triumph Tiger 1200 2022.

[@jal1797]

There is another reason why Ducati persist in the chain drive and it is raw sportiness and engine break on downshifting.I cannot imagine how stress would put on a shaft drive to downshift two or three gears before turning.That a gs is more comfy and you need to baby it like a manual car during gear changing.If these reasons are not so logical to you then think why ss models run on chain drives.Multistrada is not a ss model but is the most sportiest big adventure bike today.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

If that's a real reason, then it doesn't convince me. I get it that a drive shaft is much more complex but it doesn't mean that it's worse or cannot handle overload like you described. Actually, what you're referring to, I believe is mostly caused by high torque and not power. Torque is what bends things and well, there are bikes like Triumph Tiger 1200 or boxer-powered BMWs that run with drive shafts and have significantly more torque than Multi V4. And it works, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that this would be Ducati's real explanation. But hey, thanks for bringing that to the table - I don't think that anybody has mentioned it before, so perhaps one day we will manage to understand the manufacturers true reasons here. Cheers!

[@billrobertson5526]

If Ducati ever goes to the drive shafts i would never buy one

[@niteowl9733]

Im not done watching but I wanted to chine in on the tank compartment. I'm guessing here but the tolerances and the anti vibration rubber mounts for the tank and "tank liner" that holds the compartment are too loose. Think of a cabinet door or a window. If a cabinet gets racked because it was installed on a not straight wall the door wont work right. Same as a window. If a window isnt properly installed it wont function right. Im guessing if the compartment door was open when they installed the tank skin, or what ever its called, they would be able to tell of its perfectly straight if the door works right. It the door doesn't work right you would need to loosen the scrwews and slightly change the position. Once the tanks outer shell is accurately aligned the door should, in theory, work fine. I rode a 2010 yesterday. It handled beautifully and I haven't owned my own bike in years. Yes, im shopping. No i dodnt buy it but the esrlier models are supposed to handle better on the road than the new ones. 17" vs 19" front tire. Ofcourse the 19" will handle better off road so on an adventure bike "better" is subjective. What are you comparing it to? It sounds like you want an adventure bike to handle like a super bike. If you have no desire to go off road or do any "real" adventuring you are on the wrong kind of bike. This video sounds like you simply dont like ducati. The only reason I didnt buy that bike yesterday is because i didn't trust the dealer was goving me a fair deal. $7800 for a 12 year old ducati with 20k miles on it didnt seem right. The previous owner actually put on amazon after market auxillery lights on it. WTF? If i baught that bike I would have to pay another $1500 in 10k miles to get its main service done. They should have sold that bike to me for 6k. They can keep it. Its sad because I've never been on a bike I liked more. For the record I didnt ride ride the KTM or the Tiger. The BMW is more expensive than the Ducati and costs almost as much for the maintenance.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

A quick fact check: 17" or 19" in the front don't have to make any difference. Same with 19" vs 21". Most bikes incorporate other differences that make them behave differently. S1000XR handles way worse than R1250GS despite having a 17" rim and the GS having 19". The 2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200 was likely the least cooperating motorcycle in terms of slow speed handling that I've ever ridden. The current V4 isn't perfect but it's way better with no question about it. Adventure bikes can handle much better than sports bikes - I don't see a reason why not. Try a BMW R1250GS. Adventure motorcycles aren't about offroading - if they were, why would they be coming with street tires? Why would you take a 250 kg bike to have fun offroading while you can take a 120 kg cross and do it safely and without risking to damage it. Adventure bikes can also be great for touring and city riding. Not sure why we're seeing it so differently. I'd recommend trying a 2015 facelifted Ducati Multistrada 1200 - hopefully it will prove that this kind of a bike can handle great even with a 19" front rim.

[@billsinclair6515]

Having had three GSAs, I REALLY wanted a change to a Multistrada V4....then I read about the fuel economy! Sorry Ducati, getting down to mid 30s with spirited riding is not good enough. My 1250 GSA Rallye arrives in March from Berlin

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Interesting point to consider. I guess it depends a lot on how much every one of us rides, otherwise you know... The V4 has got some more "horses" to feed in that V4.

[@billsinclair6515]

@@VToldsMotoShow V-Told I got that GSA yesterday 4 March and its superb, I chopped in a K1600GT Sport and it averaged 48 mpg from new so for me, its to do with Ducatis approach to design and they ought to be able to design for economy and performance. BMW achieved that with the 1600, 6 cylinders,160 bhp 129lb-ft of torque and can exceed 50 mpg?

[@raymotovlog9476]

MTs not good? Better to choose GS?

[@myousic4564]

I went to a 5000km trip with my friend. He rides 1250GSA and was crying half of the way because of temperature on his leg (i don't remember which one but i think it was right) so all motocycles have something that can be annoying :) Btw. I like 1250GSA, did many km with this bike and it's really comfortable and well designed bike. It just lacks that "supercar feeling", that punch and that sporty vibes compared to multistrada (which isn't perfect at all and it's even more expensive).

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Maybe your friend's BMW needed some coolant to be added ;). The Ducati does feel closer to a sports bike indeed I think, so if someone prefers that, it's a great option.

[@myousic4564]

@@VToldsMotoShow It was a new bike - when we came back it had ~9000 km. He's working at BMW dealership and sells these bikes so I think he knows what he's doing :D We checked all coolants twice in both bikes during that trip so it wasn't coolant problem.

[@bobankralev6711]

You can seek for as many mistakes you like on a multi, but it is still better bike then GS!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I guess it says it all then.

[@esstee9595]

*Maybe* a chain is lighter? *Maybe* a chain loses less less power? No maybes about it at all. Chains are the most efficient final drive, period. Drive shafts maintenance free?! Ha!!! And of all the drive shaft examples to show...you show BMWs?! *The* most problematic motorcycle drive shafts in the history off. Oh, so you want to make much ado about cleaning the chain? Not a big deal because that's the price you pay for not being 30 lbs heavier, and not losing 10-20 hp. So lets call that even. If you want "luxury", buy a car. "Legends" of unreliabilty start and end with BMW/KTM, not Ducati. The issue with your complaints about shaking /sluggish on roll ons in high gear at lower speeds, are unwarranted because you simply need to be in the right gear. You were not. Try downshifting as in proper riding techniques. Plus it seems to me your complaint about low gearing ratios is more about the adundant power going through them quickly rather than them being too high. And to say the big Duke looks like a big scooter is hilarious because not only is it totally objective, but getting back to the BMWs and throw in Japaeses bikes too in similar categories, and get back to me about which models look like scooters. LOL! But I agree, big CCs = big heat in any bike. I also agree, way too expensive. I also agree the big twin has more character/better exhaust note. As far as paying for extras, try adjusting your base pre-load on a KTM SDGT. You can't. That has to be done by the dealer. At a cost. Overall, this is a nitpicking review that can be done on any bike, but you missed a big issue IMO: MPG is terrible, like 39 mpg . But thanks for the laughs. lol.. I enjoyed your review. :-)

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I'd be hesitant with assuming the loss of 10-20 hp. Following this concept, a 10-20 hp motorcycle or other vehicle could not use a drive shaft as it would consume all of its power. I guess it would be quite more relevant to express it in percentage. How much? That depends on many factors. There are always loses on the way from an engine to the rear wheel. The shaking conclusion is made based on experiences with other similar bikes out of which some deal better with the task in identical circumstances, so I conclude that it's a fair way of comparing things. I believe that the scooter mention was about the Ducati (Duke?), not a KTM's Duke/Super Duke - just to clarify that. It was somebody else's comment that I picked up in fact. The idea of this video is to mention the possible reasons why some of us might want to avoid the Multistrada V4. The reasons to get it are right here and maybe this will help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5KWfquYnL-boLc

[@PiggyPower]

If you dont like the sound of the best motorcycle formula ever made... The V4... Youre going to be rather upset with the disgusting noise the GS makes! Shaft drive just sucks the power and creates nasty downshifts at pace.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I personally am disgusted with GS's exhaust note. In fact regardless of what exhaust is installed on it. About shaft drive - no complaints from me but rather otherwise, so only benefits noticed.

[@michaelwillers9911]

Great review -- love the honesty!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I'm glad you enjoyed. Cheers!

[@pauldark3044]

Even if non of the bikes in this category looks good and I don't like Ducks, this bike would have been my pick in this category

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

After having a GS shaft fail due to being full of rain water at 15,000 miles give me a chain any day.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Oh dear, this doesn't sound too good indeed. I'm guessing that there might've been some issue with a seal as how otherwise would water get inside the drive shaft. Shame and I'm sorry that you had to experience it.

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

@@VToldsMotoShow it's quite a common failure and expensive when out of warranty.

[@malikm7038]

Juz gdzies u ciebie to pisałem. Chyba w koment. . do Guzzi . ? Moja Multi V 4 ma 43000 km. Zadnych awarii. Tydzien temu wrócilem z trasy Hiszpania-Maroko-Sahara zachodnia-Mauretania-Senegal Dakar. I z powrotem. 8000 km. Temperatura 35-40c piach , pył , paliwo syfiaste 80 oktan. Żadnych awarii. Apropo temperatury każde nowe moto grzeje od catalizatora jak diabli . Jak chcesz sie podgrzać to spróbuj Nordena to zobaczysz co znaczy ciepło 😎😎 Mam pare motocykli w tym dwa Włoskie i legendy o awaryjności Włoszczyzny już dawno przestały być aktualne. A i warto przejechac sie na Multi gdzieś dalej niż z Urynowa do Ursusa 😎😎 Polecam. . A sorry , że pisze po Polsku ale rozumiem ze nie będziesz zmuszony używać translatora 😊. Pozdrawiam serdecznie i bezpiecznej jazdy życzę.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Wow, niezła trasa! Norden grzeje tak samo jak KTMy z serii 890 i to jest koszmar nie do wytrzymania. W Multistradzie zwracałem na to uwagę, że nie schodziłem z niej CAŁY mokry tak jak z Nordena i tych KTMów. Nadal jednak coś tam idzie w jeźdźca więcej niż by mogło ;) Polski jest oczywiście całkiem OK. To dla mnie była trzecia topowa Multistrada, którą jeździłem i Ducati ma zdecydowanie takie momenty, że idzie do przodu wyprzedzając w niektórych aspektach wszystkich. Różnica między 1200 a 1200 po liftingu w jeździe była niesamowita - na plus. Włosi wiedzą w większości co robią. Z kolei ta po liftingu miała niedziałający wskaźnik poziomu paliwa :D. Bezpiecznej jazdy!

[@fourtynine17]

Good and honest Review.Dont get the critism from some people on that.I have GS,but if good,i would like the Multi.1200 was very bad,thats why i started with a GS in comparison.But what i would love? Split GS Market and install a Boxer 4 Zylinder in those street models

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Right, some generations are better than others. 4-cylinder boxer would be interesting indeed.

[@vageliskoios1062]

Best bike ever

[@niko9425]

just get the multistrada v2s. the much better bike. v4 has too much power for road use anyways

[@spencer82rocks]

No electronics close to the gas tank at any reason 😮

[@piyade73]

99.9% of the bikes come with a chain drive. Continue promoting BMW GS. But I don’t understand your problem with Ducati MTS.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I suggest you watch the video again to understand its context. I'd gladly see where you got the "99.9%" data from and what this would change. Certainly wouldn't make the chair drive any more comfortable to live with.

[@henkondemand]

The fact that most bikes come with a chain does not mean it's a good idea. I only expect chains on bikes that are build especially for off-roading, for a tourer or a heavy adventure bike only shaft drive should be used. The reason why manufacturers won't do this? It's cheaper, but it's not better. Not to say chain bikes won't last, if you take care of it it will last. But when I spend money on a top end bike I want the premium stuff, I certainly don't want to worry about chain drive.

[@markhingst5368]

who the hell lubes their chain every couple of hundred miles 🤣

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I used to do that before I got myself an automatic oiler in a bike with a chain ;)

[@anxiousappliance]

Absolutely right. Maybe they're pulling chains off their 60s BSA FFS. A modern chain doesn't really need very much unless you've ridden through a concrete factory or something. Every 15 - 20,000 miles replace it and roll on.

[@morrisdennis]

I was interested until i heard the mpg!

[@live2ridetr]

You got to be tested V4 without akropovic asap that tube and cat cause the Low rpm stalling and High rpm power outage because changing the torquest rpms by normal. Man stuff for drag and Enduro :P After Drive S1000XR and the Triumph Tiger 1215 Desert Edition both 30k kms in a row I found V4 the most nible one on these three. dont want to See BMW in my Garage because the exap space maintanence every 20k km. I dont have that money to Throw street 2 times in a year. I guess you have to find another bike to test if you couldnt you are keep talking about Ducati 4 ever mate.

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Thanks for feedback. I wonder how much of a difference would just a can do in a 170 HP bike and I doubt that its effect on performance would ever be noticeable to a normal rider. And I'm a normal rider and not a Moto GP rider like most of us. I'd also put the Multi before S1000XR in terms of how nimble they feel. Triumph sounds interesting too indeed!

[@live2ridetr]

@@VToldsMotoShow It is being very far normal smooth throttle responce because of the ECU mapping which is doing on default by Ducati with akropovic exhaust. Before my bike arrive I’ve have a chance to test V4s full version actually its terrified me after smoothnes of Triumph. By the way S1000XR if use for Circuit taxi rides every 10k km engines exap spaces need to correct and trigger chain tightens bolt has to be replaced as manual offers. For Normal users 20k kms for heavy maintanence. Check the online manuals.

[@nignatovskiy9901]

Is anyone else here just watching a video to see what the downsides are and just just fan boying over their Ducati 😂 relax y’all every motorcycle has pros and cons it’s sad to see some people that can’t acknowledge that

[@VToldsMotoShow]

That first part wouldn't be bad actually. It may be a kind of a relief but stil, it may make many riders more conscious about what they like about their bikes and what their dislike. Sometimes it's really hard to tell unless you try something else or have things explained. Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!

[@morrisdennis]

Chain drive is much cheaper

[@VToldsMotoShow]

I believe so.

[@billrobertson5526]

Drive shafts suck I have a trimuph 1200 tiger it would be a much better bike

[@billrobertson5526]

With a chain

[@booshallmighty]

Ducati are just Gucci bikes. Trophy girlfriend

[@NudaMan]

I’ll just get an Aprilia or Moto Guzzi Mandello if I want a good Italian bike lol

[@anxiousappliance]

@@NudaMan dunno - one will be in the shop, and the other will induce nap time.

[@Monoruota]

😂😂😂

[@markstrawbridge9133]

wish your videos were shorter!

[@VToldsMotoShow]

Yeah, I wish that it was possible maintaining the explanations and justifications. But yes, thank you for the feedback and I'd also like to make them as short as possible as it's too less time spent for me. But the aim of them is to be useful, so I'm focusing on keeping both. Thanks again!