9 Things Peter Jackson Got WRONG in the Fellowship of the Ring: Prologue | Movies vs. Manuscripts

Welcome to the FIRST episode of "Movies vs. Manuscripts". A show where I analyze the differences between Peter Jackson's adaptation of "Lord of the Rings", and Tolkien's original works... scene. by. scene. Today we start with the prologue.
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I am NOT a Tolkien professor, and I haven't been studying this for decades. I am simply a fan. If I missed anything, please let me know in the comments and I will be sure to make corrections in the next episode!
By the way... I LOVE the movies. These videos are not to hate on Peter Jackson or the films at all. Simply comparing the adaptation to the original. :)
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[@factorfantasyweekly]

As mentioned in the video, with a series of this magnitude I am bound to make mistakes! I am not Tolkien expert, just a fan having some fun with you all. :) Below are some errors that people have kindly pointed out. Feel free to reply to this to mention anything you noticed I missed. 1. Anarion's bloodline did survive and his sons, grandsons, etc... went on to be kings of Gondor. 2. Technically all the rings were made for the elves, but Sauron stole some them and gave them to dwarves and men.

[@KorriTimigan]

But Anarion's line did survive, they ruled as Gondor's kings for over a thousand years before the line ended.

[@gauntman9636]

Came here to say this. In fact, the sundering of Arnor and Gondor happened because the cousins couldn't agree on who should be high king of the Realms in Exile after Isildur. Weird thing to miss.

[@redmo11]

To be extra specific, none of the rings were originally made for Men or for Dwarves, they were all made by the Elves for themselves using Sauron's teachings, to 'ward off the decays of time', make Middle-earth 'as fair as Eressëa' etc. Then Sauron took them all during the war, except three that were made by Celebrimbor alone and thus 'unsullied' but still 'subject to the One'.

[@davidbellamy2612]

Jackson adaptation owes more to Ralph Bakshi than Tolkien in that lots of his earlier story-telling could be argued is a visual scene-by-scene upgrade of Bakshi's cartoon; it being the pre-visualization of Jackson's live film-version.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Very true, especially since that was Jackson’s introduction to middle earth when he was a kid.

[@gloriousginger]

THANK YOU! Not many people point this out. I scoured every sentence in that chapter for the "under the log" scene with the Nazgul. I wanted to feel that terror in written form. Doesn't exist. All Bakshi.

[@c.j.nyssen6987]

The movie of "Fellowship" does Isildur no favours, making him look obsessed with the Ring. He doesn't try to conquer the world, but stays in Minas Tirith for a couple of years, instructing his nephew on ruling Gondor, and then heads north to seek the counsel of Elrond about what to do with the Ring. His escort is attacked along the way and the Ring is lost, along with the Elendilmir.

[@MindlessWanderings]

Just found you on week 3.. subscribed to see how far this goes

[@BDawg-hy7pl]

They actually do show Gil galad with the spear

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Yep! He gets shown but his battle with Sauron is left out and he isn’t named. Not a giant thing, but of course as we’re pointing out every little thing, we had to mention it. 🫡

[@tbr77897]

I stumbled across these videos tonight and love them. Very excited about watching the rest. You're doing a fantastic job.

[@gravecrawler1629]

I can't wait to see follow-up videos on this. I really do wish they showed the fight with Gil Galad, Saron, and Elendil. I feel like it would have shown more depth/sacrifice/cost of victory. But i do recognize they were trying to make it feel "hopeless". Also, comon man, this is a beloved franchise. We dont need fart or squeek sounds undercutting all the hardwork youre putting into your own video.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Okay come on admit it, you smiled (on the inside) when the fart happened… don’t deny it. 😏 But yes, noted.

[@thugtrippin]

Taking Gil Galad out was a good move because he only shows up in the prologue so they would have to introduce him for the introduction only which makes no sense.

[@robertwilliams9010]

To be fair, the final duel between Gil-Galad, Elendil and Sauron does take place at the base of Mount Doom, it's just that only Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur are present along with the combatants.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

It’s not much of a duel. Gil Galad doesn’t contribute, and Elendil walks forward to get swatted away like a fly. 😂 As mentioned, the book says they fatally wound Sauron. So they definitely put up a better fight than is shown in the movies.

[@Kynokefalos]

@@factorfantasyweeklyActually they filmed the duel in the film, even Gil-Galad's death but they cut it...nonsense. You just introduce him with his spear and disappear.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

I remember when Fellowship of the Ring was first released in theatres. Folks who didn’t know it was a trilogy were so mad at the end of the film 😂😂😂.

[@enma1219]

Small correction: Sauron didn't make 16 rings of power for Men and Dwarves, they were originally all meant for the Elves. But seeing how his plans failed, after sacking Eregion and taking them from Celebrimbor, he gifted them to the Men and Dwarves.

[@SirMath3w]

omg I haven't realized how recent this video is before watching it. Can't wait for the follow up! Sir, you've earned your right to be followed :)

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Thank you so much! Comments like these keep me motivated during this insane project. 😂 Hopefully the next episode will be out in a couple weeks!

[@victorfinberg8595]

differences between a book and its movie adaption are not necessarily "mistakes"

[@marblestrength]

Well the Rings of Power "not necessarily making a ton of mistakes..."

[@victorfinberg8595]

@@marblestrength !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! never seen that, but it looks like just about everyone whose opinion has value hates it. doesn't change the intent of what i posted above. here's one adaptation that you have probably never heard of: the avalon hill boardgame starship troopers is an absolutely perfect rendition of the heinlein novel of the same name. for those who care enough to do the very best ...

[@evanlughfahy9778]

With Tolkien lore movie variances from the books ARE mistakes. Egregious mistakes.

[@torontomame]

​@@victorfinberg8595 Not "everyone". It wasn't great, but nowhere near as bad as the hate bandwagon makes it out to be.

[@victorfinberg8595]

@@torontomame fair enough. my comment above was purely anecdotal. (well, THAT comment, anyway. my ORIGINAL comment is correct, as is the one referring to starship troopers)

[@RetroJack]

Fascinating - subbed!

[@Vaderian88]

If I remember, the intro to the movies was more of a opening to the film who didn't know what Lord of the Rings was, and for that who didn't read the books. So it was to set up a rough outline like plots that happened in the Second age, with the making of the rings, giving them to the Men and Dwarves, Elves making there own, the One Ring by Sauron, the Siege of Barad-Dur, cutting the hand, the Shards of Narsil, Isildur being killed and the Ring lost for centuries, Gollum finding it then loosing it, Bilbo having the ring... Then fading into legends and myths. Then the real opening for The Fellowship of the Ring. So I wouldn't say he go it wrong, I say he had to make an Epilogue for the movie to say this what roughly happened, and this is what's going to happen.

[@elsasuca]

Thanks a lot, this is a great work. Only one thing, Isildur only cut one finger, the one with the One Ring.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Good point!

[@nataliestclair6176]

Enjoyed the video but you committed sacrilege yourself by using screen shots of the abomination known as Amazon's The Lord of the Rings, The Rings of Power

[@factorfantasyweekly]

😂😂

[@keithtorgersen9664]

@nataliestclair, this. so much this. 😂😂😂

[@hussain1921]

Some of the changes I think work better than the books, so I wouldnt personally say its “wrong” but rather different.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Totally agree! As I say at the end of this video, a lot of the changes are good things because they adapt it better for a visual/film format. I’m not saying they subjectively were in the “wrong” for changing something. I’m saying that they factually got some things “wrong”. Like when Sauron steps on the sword. Do I like it more for the movie? Yes! But is it factually *wrong* based on Tolkien’s original lore? Yep!

[@stefane1915]

I like watching Jackson's films. I prefer to read Tolkien's books. I'm glad Jackson's films exist. Thanks for the exercise to identify the differences. Big Hug from Quebec

[@edils0]

Great video, can't wait to watch the rest. While they did lay seige to Barad-dur the final duel took place on the slopes of Mt Doom which is fascinating to think about. Sauron with the ring, which is more powerful the closer it is to Mt Doom, was still defeated by a man and an elf. A last alliance. PS - will you cover Gimli trying to destroy the ring with his axe in Rivendell? It's my least favourite change though I understand why it was done.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

To be fair though, Elendil and Gil-Galad were _not_ normal. When Frodo and Sam caught sight of Barad-Dur in the distance the sheer power and terror of Sauron's revealed presence (this being a Sauron that was somewhat weaker than the one who fought the two kings) crushed their spirits from _over_ _four_ _miles_ _away_

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Good points! I am sure once I get there, I will have to discuss that part as well. Looking forward to covering the entire council of Elrond scene!

[@JMNL07]

Subscribed!

[@Convoy00X]

I never thought that the opening of lord of the rings was the entire battle.

[@zagariasbooysen7401]

He did not get it wrong. He made changes to make the story flow better and made it work. Like Yea you don't want Aragorn fighting the black riders with a half broken sword. That's why they made the half broken one to be fixed that ge can finaly become the King of Gondor. Made more sence that way.

[@fjnemo]

H even says and explains on the DVD extras

[@user-fm4hd3zw3q]

PJ had to make the movies for everyone and not just for his fellow Tolkien nerds. Had he done that The Fellowship of the Ring would have flopped and the world would have been assaulted (insulted) by Meet the Feebles 2 & 3 rather than Two Towers and Return of the King!

[@keyzjingle7573]

My biggest letdown was there was no Tom bombadil he is one the most interesting characters.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

I’m excited to talk about that part in the next couple episodes!

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

An important difference to note about Lore Isildur versus his movie counterpart is that he wasn't a jerk. He wanted to stay and fight, but his sons all but forced him to try and flee, offering themselves up as sacrifices to protect their king. The Ring slipped off as he tried to get away, but it was a tragic turn of mischief against a valiant hero rather than a last joke played on a weak-minded coward.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Hm, yea I didn't consider that! Good points.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

@@factorfantasyweekly Thanks, great video by the way.

[@northrendicecrown631]

If he had the ring and was mortally wounded. Then, if he got the ring again in the third age, is it a forego conclusion that someone would conquer the world if you could even defeated not once, but twice when he went to the island of Numenore.

[@philippelra]

Excellent video, i just suscribe. ( Cannot wait for Arwen to glow like Glorfindel....like she saw the three of Valinor and slay a Balrog, i understand the point to create stronger character... but Arwen is Luthien ... and i honnestly don't know why they give her this form in the unseen world...) And the kung fu mages part... i understand that Jackson don't like the idea and the concept of Maia and it show in those movie, he never adress the nature of anyone, and maybe Saruman of many color would have been.... wierd XD Like ( the weed of the halfling clearly affect your mind... do you wan some LSD ) sorry for my english im french ;) But i think this is crazy that... this guy... Peter Jackson... success with LOTR... i mean.. have you watch his previous movies ? ... mainly The Feebles, a dark puppet musical horror comedy! But i think is streng was to create narative fallowing multiple characters, after he play with is toy and we watch the show. I'm curious on your point of view on Arwen representation... and power... ( Bombadil remain essentiel to the tolkien lore but if Jackson don't like the maia and the songs... it's better for him to not be there and not been misrepresented....like ... some stuart ;) Thank you again for your video!

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Thanks for your comment! Excited to continue this series as well. Good points. I’ll keep an eye out for all those things. There may be some that are missed, but I will try my best! I’ll count on your input for future videos to know if I missed anything! 👏🏼🫡

[@Concreteowl]

They didn't get it wrong, they changed it. That's sometimes necessary during an adaptation.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Exactly! These videos are just a fun way to uncover all the little things for us Tolkien nerds. :)

[@yosewise]

He got nothing wrong, it’s a perfect movie.

[@peterpohan3850]

OK iam out. i wanted to watch this as I am fan, but once i saw footage from Rings of Power, thats it.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

💀 *triggered*

[@Keffinated]

@@factorfantasyweekly I was triggered too. The Amazonian footage undermines your credibility.

[@iasimov5960]

Shucks, the adaptions Jackson made to explain the history of the Ring are niggling compared to some of the gratuitous changes he made later in the film (Elves at Helms Deep? Fie!) and those changes were less horrendous than some he had been contemplating (Arwen at Helms Deep? An abomination!).

[@rmcfete]

If all you have to do is sit and scrutinize a movie that is over twenty years old you are wasting your life

[@user-js2ti7md9l]

Only 9 are you kidding me more like 9 million

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Haha throughout the entire movie maybe! I might have missed something in this scene though… what did you notice that I missed?

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Watch Episode 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5eqY3tmeL-Ugs0

[@Son-of-Gondor]

Loved every minute of it. Can’t wait for the next part.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Glad to hear it! Looking forward to making the next one. (And this project taking the next 3 years of my life… 💀)

[@curtis5799]

I feel like this video was made to curb the hate Amazon's ROP is getting. BTW, the amazon fan fiction is complete garbage. The changes PJ made makes for a better screen adaptation. He didn't purposely fk up lore.

[@gloriousginger]

Please do not say "without further adieu". So many channels open with this and it means "without further farewell".

[@iasimov5960]

not "adieu" but "ado" meaning 'fuss, trouble, or bother'.

[@igelkott255]

Now you're going to make watch the movies again, you evil person! To be fair to the movie, the narration didn't say who forged the rings nor who gifted them, just that it happened. The only ring explicitly stated as being forged by Sauron was the one ring to rule them all. The movie also didn't say how long the battle was. I guess it sort of implied one battle, but I always assumed it was a long campaign since it shows scenes of destruction in the lands, and then showing the climactic battle.

[@JMNL07]

Super amused at how much everyone hates even seeing rings of power 😂 I didn't like the show either, I didn't even finish it, but some of the visuals were pretty, if sometimes super CGI, the actors were good, although working with a rubbish script. But they were shot in both knees by not getting the rights to whole legendarium. So personally I don't mind it being used to represent characters. And I don't see this hate on other Tolkien channel's 😂

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Finally 😂 I just needed some footage of Celebrimbor

[@thejadedenthusiast724]

Still not watching Rings of Power

[@andydudley1775]

please for gods sake do not try this with rings of power at home.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Once season 2 comes out I think I might 💀

[@whysoserious652]

book and movie aint same. you cannot adopt a book into show 100%. its not possible. why? cuz books aint visual.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Exactly! But it’s cool to go through and look at all the little differences… 👀 Only Tolkien nerds would understand. If you don’t care about Tolkien at all then this series isn’t for you. 😂

[@brianwhite6600]

It was an adaptation…you can’t get it “wrong.” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Eagle-eye-pie]

You certainly can and he certainly did, good movies though.

[@blueskies666]

If you can’t ever say Sauron properly then just give up

[@darthseagraves]

Wrong? 😡

[@iluvatar4244]

I like the video. Not 100% accurate as many people already mentioned but still very close. BUT please. Refuse material of rings of power. Rather use illustrations you find online. Just vibes me outa the video with that shitshow

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Thanks for the encouragement! Especially for this first episode (but for future ones as well), perfection is unattainable. Although I will try my best. :) And yes, I will no longer be including RoP stuff. ;) Even though I am not even referring to it, people seem to get sick just at the sight of it.

[@iluvatar4244]

@@factorfantasyweekly ye just seeing it is.... Horrendous

[@AndyOdin22]

The footage from Amazon's sacrilegious abomination is quite the detraction from this video.

[@nickbonavita1379]

Peter Jackson didn't get anything WRONG, he made the trilogy " based on the books " not an exact copy of. It take about 54 hours to read the books, do you want to sit in a movie theater for three 18 hour movies. I personally find Tolkien's writing incredibly boring but then he is an English professor. He will take a whole chapter just to tell you what color Elrond's hair is and why. PJ took all the boring parts out and ended up with the three greatest movies ever made.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Agreed! There’s no way he could make a carbon copy of the books. This series is a chance for Tolkien nerds and lovers of the movies to explore the vast lore of Middle Earth! It’s a celebration of both the films and the books. 👏🏼

[@TheJosep70]

It was an adaptation. It's simple: if you don't like it, go ahead, raise the money, get the rights and fund the movie and then direct your vision. Not complaining about the video, but those who like to whine about the differences.

[@jachyra9]

Peter Jackson got EVERYTHING wrong. While I enjoy the films as cinema, and they are certainly deserving of merit in that regard, I still say that Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings trilogy is one of the worst literary adaptations ever made. And a lot of the horrible choices made in regards to adaptation often lower the quality of the story as cinema: The dispensing of Tolkien’s morality. The uncanonical failures of nerve. The disregard for proper tone. The elasticity of pacing. The flattening of narrative. The interminable battle scenes. The complete destruction of characterization. The degradation of Tolkien’s prose, reducing beautiful sentiment to corny greeting card mush. The relentless trivialization of the story. And perhaps most egregiously, the facile appreciation of the book thinly veiling a profound and contemptible lack of comprehension of its themes. This is in addition to the enthusiastic copying of an alarming amount of shots, scenes, and entire sequences from Ralph Bakshi’s animated adaptation from 1978.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

But you say you still appreciate the films as cinema?

[@jachyra9]

@@factorfantasyweekly - Of course I do. I'm just not blind to how abysmal an adaptation they are.