9mm Luger vs. Grizzly!

[@TUCOtheratt]

What an amazing story! Glad it turned well.

[@--SPQR--]

Fun fact, the number of people who criticize this man's choice of caliber in the comments and have also shot a bear before is: zero.

[@kurtphillips7038]

@@--SPQR-- So does that make the claims invalid? People have survived hundreds of foot falls. That doesn’t mean jumping off cliffs is a good idea. Or that I can’t opine that one shouldn’t jump off cliffs!

[@billblessington3912]

@@kurtphillips7038 absolutely correct. That is always the argument of the imbecilic . Just imagine if the other people were there with him on the trail? there would’ve probably been fatalities and he’s responsible. he doesn’t even know how many rounds are in the magazine?

[@T20-c8f]

Let’s bow our heads in silence and drop an F in the chat for all the 9mm supporters who aren’t with us today to give their two cents.

[@JoeinAlaska]

​@@kurtphillips7038No, it makes them inexperienced and untested.

[@kurtphillips7038]

@@JoeinAlaska lol

[@raymondless1036]

🤣🤣 "Are we going fishing still?" 🤣🤣🤣

[@jurgschupbach3059]

Mundgeruch Kommentare waren ON POINT

[@notsure7874]

10/10 I would still go fishing.

[@comfortablynumb9342]

Why ask silly questions? Absofknglutely we're going fishin.

[@notsure7874]

@@comfortablynumb9342 Might be the only time I get to find out if bear makes good cut bait!

[@scottdurkee9162]

…right after we change our underwear !!

[@bbaz6729]

I've carried a 9 on duty for nearly 20 years (after switching from the .40). That said, I wouldn't want to engage a bear with a handgun, but when I go hiking in Wyoming or Montana, I do carry a 10mm. In the off chance that things go South, I want to increase my odds as much as possible. I carry the M&P 5.6 inch barrel and it shoots almost as easily as a 9. Even with 200 grain. I have a friend who hikes with no weapon because he doesn't want to carry the "weight". He says, "Don't Pack Your Fears". There's a fine line between paranoia and being smart.

[@dufonrafal]

10mm auto or .40 S&W ?

[@Purrrrfectshot]

Tell your friend a bear doesn't care if you pack your fears or not it'll still charge you

[@AnthonyFord-zc9fl]

How's the reliability with that M&P I've heard mixed things about it IN 10MM

[@bbaz6729]

@AnthonyFord-zc9fl It has never had a failure to feed or eject. It's gone "bang" every time, and the 5.6 with the improved trigger is the way to go.

[@guyfreegard1157]

Writing from South Africa. Whilst we don't have bears here, we certainly have plenty of baboons. A large male baboon weighs in at approx 80kg and can move like lightning. My wife and I were hiking in a nature reserve, on the Cape coast, in the late '90's. I had our back pack and was carrying my edc 9mm luger CZ75, with 147gr JHP's. Can't remember the brand..might have been Hornady? These were not +P, or high velocity rounds, clocking an average of 1000fps over the chrony. We were hiking up through a gulley with steep sides towards a plateau above. Unbeknown to us, some distance off to our left, on the plateau above, a group of British tourists were approaching the gulley. My wife (very fortunately, for us) happened to glance up, towards our right. She shouted a warning, and when I turned to look up to our right, I saw a heart stopping sight: 3 large male baboons were running at us. The largest male was slightly ahead of the 2 wingmen. There was no time to think. I did not want to shoot an animal in the nature reserve.Running was out of the question. The big male was about 10m away. I drew the CZ and fired a double tap into the ground to the left of the wingman on the left. This stopped both wingmen who peeled off to the left and right, respectively, but the big male pressed home the charge. I fired another 3 very quick shots, hitting him 3 times. One in the shoulder, one in the hind left leg, and, very fortunately for us, the third was a central chest shot, which terminated the charge. He did not drop, but limped off to the right, over a low rise, out of sight. We hot footed it up the gulley, onto the plateau, where we were greeted by the terrifying sight of 40 or more baboons, males, females and babies, silently staring at us.There was not a sound,no movement at all. We moved quickly, back to back out of there, towards the road, some 300m distant to where our car was parked. Absolutely terrifying. When I xdiscussed the event with a few PH's (professiomal hunters) later, their collective oppinion was that we had been very, very fortunate to have escaped unhurt. They felt that, from the troop's behaviour on the plateau, that I had shot the sentinel( leader of the troop). The troop was confused. Later we heard that the troop had been spooked and separated by the noisy tourists, quite a few of the females having babies. The sentinel and 2 wingmen had crossed the ravine ahead of the troop and we separated them from the troop, hence the attack. It was highly unusual: there was'nt a soynd from them. No growling, barking, screaming - just silence. That 147gr JHP did it's work - it stopped the charge. As the PH's said, on this point alone, we were fortunate, because baboons are not easy to kill, even with an appropriate center fire rifle calibre.

[@gerhardpotgieter840]

Baboons have dirty mouths if you get bitten you have trouble.

[@svendjorgensen7201]

Amazing story. Praise God that you and your wife made it out safely!

[@rmac8878]

The Internet is amazing....

[@johnnyclemmons9756]

Wow! What an experience and memory!

[@HogMan2022]

Great story! 🙋🇺🇲

[@Taylor-sp9mg]

Spomer is the goat! what a positive breath of fresh air for KZbin

[@brickhammerSS]

He is THE man

[@blueridgeboy6791]

Agreed

[@notbraindead7298]

Ron Spomer is the real deal. Every kid should have a grandfather like him to teach the kid the ropes.

[@jfrog1979]

9 for the hoods, 10 for the woods. Still standing by this one👍

[@TraciWest-MYBODYMYMINDMYLIFE]

I don't understand your comment. Is this a game to you? @unitednations

[@f.e.5151]

@@TraciWest-MYBODYMYMINDMYLIFE everyone else understood and i get the feeling you dont watch these videos for the content.

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

I’ll allow it 😂

[@Chebva]

I don't agree... but that is a great quote.

[@alanw1775]

Maybe the foty could work for both in a pinch 🤔

[@alanw1775]

My goodness, remember reading this story about 6 or 7 years ago, never thought id see it from the man himself as an interview. cheers

[@john316godlovesyou5]

I believe the U.S. Navy SEALS got it right when they said "shot placement" is what's important and not always the caliber.

[@mreb1863]

@@john316godlovesyou5 Very true in all cases but I’d say typically the Seals aren’t out shooting big game animals. Shot placement is still prime but I’d guess as professionals if given the choice they would opt for something a bit more appropriate to the situation.

[@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS]

You wanna know what's more important than shot placement, caliber or grain weight during a bear attack (since you have an extremely limited amount of time to react before the bear is on top of you) .... Multiple shots fired in rapid succession.

[@cavebeast540]

I think the army Rangers said it better "fire till they stop moving"

[@DrivenA111]

Yes, but not everyone is James Bond.

[@adamalford5650]

That’s true but they don’t shoot aircraft carriers with a .22 either.

[@04010806]

Those were some hot rounds! 147 grain doing 1,300 feet per second is very fast. The velocity of 147 grain 9mm is usually around 1.000 fps.

[@knurlgnar24]

No kidding. The +P NATO M1152 flatnose is 115g at 1320fps and I thought that was screaming. No way I'd use those hot 147 grain rounds except for something like bear defense as they're likely to damage the firearm, and only AFTER I've tested a good number to know they'll cycle properly.

[@OtisFlint]

They're not doing 1300 from a normal length barrel, that's nonsense.

[@wooterrackz2699]

Extreme defender 115 grain are coming out at 16oo fps

[@jimwall5350]

Excellent interview. Clearly he's a very experienced guide and bear savvy as well. Incredible story, thanks for posting it. I had heard about it when it happened but didn't know the specifics. Well done Sir!

[@Prometheus203]

Lower calibers like 9mm and below kill by exsanguination (blood loss), if you make hits on vital cardiovascular structures or the central nervous system they are very effective. The greatest issue is that making accurate shots under pressure is exponentially more difficult on a moving animal and most people lack the experience to aim and make hits during these type of events. Moral of the story here is probably to make sure you have plenty of practice with whatever weapon you choose and to be mentally prepared to defend yourself if the unexpected happens. He did a good job with both.

[@BrandensOutdoorChannel]

Shot placement matters most

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Thank you both.

[@LiveLinerFishing]

It doesnt matter what pistol you have, its still just a handgun, shot placement trumps caliber 100% of the time especially with handguns.

[@susandunlap7754]

It's the bullet. Hard cast bullets is what you want in your gun

[@JadyGrudd]

It matters. But so does placement.

[@fuggleeartshow]

I remember reading this story. Informative to hear all the details

[@saxman7131]

Wow. What a story.

[@austinhuber3131]

There are bears and there are BEARS. You hear of bears dying to 9mm, 38, even 22, but then you hear of BEARS tanking numerous 44 and 10mm shots before finally dying. Personally, while I have hard cast 9mm just in case, my own personal research tells me that I want 200 grains going at least 1200 fps in case I meet a BEAR and not a bear. Not all grizzlies are created equal.

[@8FREDOO]

😂👍

[@Racketeerof89]

Shot placement regardless of caliber applies to bears.

[@kremepye3613]

​@Racketeerof89 higher calibre gives you more places to shoot it

[@JRG-JDG]

also behind shoulder how bout between ear and shoulder in neck

[@JRG-JDG]

will tween shoulder and ear why not neck empty whole clip behind shoulder empty clip 2 or 3 clip s but i go in like i'm a ecwipt special forces targets dropping even if a t. rex before i even back up any but them fn5,6x28 are mean af dude 😅

[@mwjii]

Great story! Thank you.

[@sulaco2122]

Recently in a suburb of Seattle WA a black bear forced entry into a home and was killed by the father when it started to go upstairs where his kids were, the gun the dad used was a Glock 9mm.

[@BillMeyer-l4q]

I worked with a NYC Cop, who in 1971, shot and killed a Polar Bear at the Central Park Zoo, after a man trying to play with the bear , and the bear grabbed his arm in his mouth. He was killed with 1 shot from a .38 caliber pistol. The Officer was still working in the park in 1984 when I was assigned there. He told me he got hate mail from people who couldn’t understand why he had to shoot the bear.

[@4588ron]

Great post thank you

[@georgeramirez1291]

A lot of people don’t know or understand that human life is always more important than an animal life.

[@mik3ymomo]

@@georgeramirez1291we have a new group gaining ground who don’t believe this. But you are absolutely correct.

[@pizzulo8111]

A regular. 38 out of a revolver? Was it a cub? 😂

[@pizzulo8111]

A regular. 38 out of a revolver? Was it a cub? 😂

[@2-Live-Moo]

Awesome story. I had encounters with Brown Bear while fishing on the Alagnak river in Alaska. Thankfully, never had to use my S&W 629. You two are living legends . Thanks for sharing .

[@ronmarvicsin7709]

I fished the Alagnak River. Great fishing great camp lodge

[@SteveHicks-q2d]

Prayers for you and your family Kurt!

[@njgrplr2007]

This is yet another example of how bullet design is far more important than caliber. That said, a 9 mm wouldn't be among my top 3 choices in Grizzly country where I get charged 6+ times per year.

[@404nitro]

Not to correct Phil any any means, but the 147 hard cast heavy outdoorsman is listed at 1100 fps. It is amazing what a cool head and hand can do. Most would like to think they could too, but until you stand close to one of those bears with nothing between you and it but air, you are just hoping you can do it while sitting at the computer. They are huge animals.

[@tl56kmair]

And fast as hell.

[@tomg6284]

I load 9mm, 147gr not getting to 1300 fps. Fmj jacked up still at 147 not going to do that speed. Good story, glad no one was hurt.

[@mreb1863]

Remember that the listed velocity is based on a specific barrel length, under specific conditions using a specific chronometer. Your mileage may vary…

[@404nitro]

@@mreb1863 Tim Sundles has the barrel lengths of the real world gun he used for chrono'ing listed with this ammo on BB's site. The guns with very similar or exactly the same bbl length as Phil used with his S&W are shown as getting just under 1100 fps. True, different chrno's will read slightly different velocities, but they aren't off by much. I own two quality chrono's- an Oehler 35P and a Lab radar. They are very close to each other.within a few FPS at the same distance with the same guns and ammo. The 35P has a proof channel to double check itself. I am sure whatever Tim uses is a quality chrono as well. Point is, this load is listd at 1100 and not 1300 as was mentioned in the video and it is very close to that speed in the real world with like barrel lengths. Phil was simply going off memory here, that's all, and he quoted the velocity for a different BB load- the +P+ load with the 124 JHP bullet listed on BB's site. Hope that clears things up some.

[@mreb1863]

@@404nitro I’m sure Mr Sundles has fine equipment. Maybe Phil doesn’t or it’s malfunctioning. Maybe he was shooting down hill in a windstorm. Who knows… Who cares…

[@mickemike2148]

Heck of a story!

[@raymondlowery5440]

Awesome story. Amazing.

[@JaredBalmer-i3k]

Sometimes if that's what you have, it beats throwing rocks

[@DrivenA111]

Or grabbing each other and getting on the ground.

[@EBFNOQMAGNO]

Happy everyone was ok.

[@Sleepyjudei]

Bear dislikes this comment

[@luckywyatt]

A man I used to work surveying with in NE Utah - decades ago - told me he had to shoot a bear with his 9mm (Beretta 92) while river rafting with his young family in Desolation canyon/Green River. They were setting up camp on the shore when the black bear came into their camp. They got everyone in the Raft and pushed off into the river to get some distance after failing to scare it off. The bear swam towards them and he shot it at close range (fatally) in the river. For us (in the lower 48)a 9mm pistol is capable/convenient/lots of capacity. 17rds of quality ammo fired from a full sz pistol is likely enough to protect you. Especially if you are confidently practiced with it. Often I end up using on to signal other hunters when radios and electronic devices fail to coordinate, small game like grouse, rabbit or dispatching a problem varmint/predator. I often take a 40S&W into the backcountry. Like a M&P40/Glock22 with tritium sights and rail light all in a chest holster. It’s a lot of firepower. Magnum revolvers holding 5-6 rds are damn heavy. Seldom do folks practice with them due to the startling recoil, exuberant price of ammo, awkward size/weight & limited ways to incorporate it into gear so it can be usefully drawn. Is what it is…. Ripping 15-18 rds of 9mm into something close it’ll probably keep you safe.

[@patriotsrebelsrogues7332]

I run a 9mm carbine and have cut wild game for 20 years this story doesn't surprise me.

[@blacklove79]

What kind of game?

[@patriotsrebelsrogues7332]

@blacklove79 whitetail elk black bear feral hog

[@jimsatterfield8748]

I'm retired with MT FWP. As a supervisor in Kalispell, I had several "bear control specialists" in my region. These people control problem bears with varioius lethal and non-lethal means, In other words, thery do this stuff for a living. Care to guess what they carry for sidearms???????????????? They carried semi-autos in .40 and 10mm. One tech, in a conversation like this video, said, "don't try to be a cowboy. The first job is to break-down the bear, then you can finish him." Again, these guys only do this for a living.

[@Charlemagne_III]

I'm also in Montana. Have you heard of the Old Glory Club?

[@Sean.N]

ok boomer add some more question marks

[@conservativejones3537]

What a story. I wonder the results if the bear was charging straight on? You were fortunate to have a side shot.

[@johnganshow5536]

Go to Alaska, provoke one and give it a try. Let us know the results...

[@Hutzjohn]

If you hit it in the head probably if not you'll be taken out ---- but a head shot on a moving bear is most likely not happening.

[@conservativejones3537]

@johnganshow5536 you first. And report back please.

[@kurtphillips7038]

@@johnganshow5536 Why are you being a dick?

[@HaNsWiDjAjA]

It happened to one guy named Garen Brenner who was fishing in Alaska's Russian River in 2002. He shot the charging sow twice center mass with plain 9mm fmj, it went down, and then he shot it three times in the head. The story was covered by Anchorage Daily News.

[@Wcquick]

Good bear story, I have heard this before, it is the 9mm ammo Buffalo Bore, 147 gr hard cast bullet, shot placement and the wisdom of a wilderness guide. Most people would not be so fortunate

[@zepfanforever6502]

Great guide

[@Bearclaw700]

The rounds that Phil used are the best ones available if a 9 is all you have for bear country. 44s and 10s are better choices. Phil's bear was not charging at him. That's something to consider when you listen to the story.

[@KEVIN88GT]

What rounds were they?

[@Bearclaw700]

@@KEVIN88GT Ron and Phil talk about that starting at about 9: 35 on the video.

[@cdalton3169]

Clearly folks don’t understand terminal ballistics and the differences between calibers. A 9mm is NOT a 10mm or a .44 mag. Good story!

[@ShutterFanatic]

Great job, truly professional guide.The big question that didn’t get answered, will you now never leave your long gun/big bore pistol behind or maybe look at getting a 10mm for a little more power?it sounded like the job got done but wouldn’t have had the same result if the bear was charging him vs standing and looking for the client.

[@charlesvail2443]

I've duplicated that load quite easily and attained a consistent 1100 fps with no excess pressure and room for a 1/10th grain or so more powder. It will penetrate but I'm leaning toward the heavier .357 magnum (158-180 grain) at a minimum of 1200 fps. 🤷😎🇺🇸

[@Tactical_reload]

Imo 9mm hard cast is what you buy if you don't have a better option, it would definitely not be my first choice

[@mik3ymomo]

Carrying a lot of heavy gear out in the field isn’t ideal. I own a 44 magnum and a few 9mm pistols. I’d much rather carry the 9mm. The 44 magnum is heavy and slow and carries half to 1/3 of the rounds. I understand the power difference but shot placement is probably way more important than caliber/power. With the hard cast bullets and the velocity in the BB 9mm it just makes more sense. Maybe not on paper but in the field carrying it does seem like an option I would prefer.

[@TeensierPython]

I’ve used pistols for hunting for about 20 years. I’ve had many bullet failures using hollow points. I’ve never used FMJ. Hard cast bullets I’ve used have never failed. Typical hollow point failures are failure to expand and next is bullets breaking apart.

[@Tactical_reload]

@mik3ymomo my 10mm not significantly more weight than my 9mm, my 45 is not significantly more weight than my 9mm. I would trust either of those over a 9mm

[@TeensierPython]

@@Tactical_reload agreed. My primary hunting pistol was a 10mm. Now I shoot 41mag or 44mag. But if I were going into bear country a 9mm is better than a no-millimeter.

[@Tactical_reload]

@TeensierPython true, which is why I said "if you don't have a better option"

[@fnkdtnk]

You would be much better off with a 9mm that you are proficient with, than a .44 mag that you shoot 12 times a year.

[@thestcroixkid]

Not at all...the caveats in this story are so many that it nearly relegates it to extreme outlier status...seasoned guide who is an extremely proficient shooter and is not being charged directly, shooting from near perfect angle, bear confused by multiple people, near perfect response from the clients...this is in no way a testament to 9mm...this is as lucky as you can get, period. There is no real guide or outdoorsman who could, in good faith, without serious circumstances i.e. small person/inexperience, advocate for this choice. 9mm is leaps and bounds better than it used to be, but it is CERTAINLY not recommended for single carry brown bear defense...

[@fnkdtnk]

@@thestcroixkid ok, so a 44 mag that you can’t shoot well is better than the edc that you are proficient with? Actual data shows that bears shot with 9 mm stop attacking bears at the exact same rate as bears shot with larger guns. They also show that people with large hand cannons sustain injuries at higher rates because they miss the bear. Hitting the bear matters more than what you hit it with. A guide should be proficient with 44 mag etc. And if so, then yes 44 mag would likely kill the bear faster. My comment was geared towards the general public, most of whom can’t hit the broad side of a barn with large revolvers, especially when it comes to follow up shots.

[@thestcroixkid]

@fnkdtnk you're conflating so many things...there's no argument here and no facts to support your claim about 9mm "rate"... the data doesn't exist...I simply don't agree outside of someone "dropping" someone into the backcountry with a "9mm or sharp stick" fantasy option..."regular citizens" should learn to shoot the right gun, or at least a viable option...9mm is not recommended...

[@thestcroixkid]

@fnkdtnk nonsense...you need to post the links to what you claim...

[@fnkdtnk]

@@thestcroixkid there are others like the study I just posted. You need to do your own research and stop regurgitating fudd lore nonsense. And you are still avoiding the obvious. Very few people can shoot a hand cannon at all, much less well enough to deal with a charging bear. Most people who hunt can shoot a 9mm well enough to hit a charging bear. 1 9mm> 0 44mag. Until you can disprove that equation, you have no argument.

[@WhiteSandsMbuna]

Anyone who has read the WESTERN POWDERS loading manual knows that a 147 grain hardcast 9mm bullet over A7 powder can acheive slightly more than 400 ft lbs of energy from a standard barrell 9mm auto. This load is identical to the buffalo bore. The 460 rowland company recently created a 9mm conversion that is well into the 357 mag power load. I carry a 1911 in 460 rowland and am quite confortable with it.

[@Thabosshoss]

Great story, great info.

[@Daffytheduck7514]

Nice work!

[@adamdlugosz123]

Charged 6 times year ..How does this guy even Walk with Balls the big 😂😂

[@JoeinAlaska]

Bear charges for fishing guides in Alaska are very common.

[@kremepye3613]

What did they used to do in the days before modern firearms?

[@truthseeker2222]

@@kremepye3613 spears

[@JimmyRodham]

Dude killed a grizzly with a hand held arrow anything's possible..

[@WeeWillieWinkee]

Good story😎

[@sienega4625]

That was a lucky gamble........I'd never use this guy as a guide after this.....

[@johnanderson3405]

I suspect maybe the lady didn’t feel like fishing afterwards due to a “code brown” situation. I know I would have been looking for a fresh pair of undies. 😳

[@zule4634]

Its just like real estate Location, location, location.

[@stevenhigby3512]

Anyone carrying a 9mm in the Alaskan wilderness is crazy.

[@conunpocodefe]

Seems it would as a backup plan.

[@notbraindead7298]

9mm? Highly not recommended!

[@blakecircle]

Count me crazy.

[@hughbarton5743]

It would seem that this experienced guide, very familiar with the site, decided to carry his 9 rather than his 44mag was the thought that he was familiar with the area, and with bears . He likely thought that danger would be of the two-legged type. Although I am by no means any sort of handgunner, I can certainly appreciate that the big gun is heavier. A lot heavier! A lot of iron to haul around... Looking back, I am sure the guide must have a sense of relief on the outcome! Thanks, Mr.Spoemer! Great video. t that if any trouble appeared, it would likely

[@Pollyanna-cc3et]

Better to have so many proficient with a firearm than to have somebody with a big old Magnum chunk of steel that can't hit the broadside of a barn

[@Wootangtw]

Awesome video… thanks buddy

[@soserious9041]

I've never understood why people never believed a 9mm could penetrate a bears skull or at least the heart

[@zayexotic2423]

Just people have no brains whatsoever lol

[@clayrog6405]

I have 9mm solid from 65g to 110 g extreme penetrators and I'm very confident in Texas. Grizzly bear country.....Buffalo bore in a new Glock 20 at a minimum for me! Great 10mm in numbers! What a story!

[@Hutzjohn]

I remember reading this on Buffalo Bore's site ----- the original story was Mr. Shoemaker emptied his pistol into the bear and the last shot broke the bears spinal cord killing it. I'm glad no one was hurt by the bear.

[@daveflowers3070]

Why would you only have 5 rounds in the gun? It absolutely held more....

[@RedlineLandscape]

That's what I'm thinking. Makes no sense

[@richardlahan7068]

Any gun is better is better than no gun.

[@bobbyshumate5769]

I have not watched this video yet, but I’m will say as a mountain and back country hunter, shot placement and the proper ammo wins even with bears. Buffalo Bore 147gr 9mm works. Besides the sound of the blast will probably do the trick.

[@jimsimminins3020]

the faster the bullet the more kinetic energy it produces on impact. just a bigger damaging shockwave ripping through your target.

[@knurlgnar24]

That's true - but only if the bullet reaches critical organs otherwise it just causes a painful flesh wound and the bear kills you angrier than ever.

[@JeepsCafe]

If Phil says it works, it will work 😅

[@DrivenA111]

Worked for *him* with two other people involved

[@SEPTEMBERMAN]

9MM for protection against a Bear??? It's better than a knife or your fist (s).

[@kevingarwood7869]

Great video

[@santaclaus1835]

If you can put holes in the right place on a living creature: it will die. Amazing .

[@Steve-yo4ld]

Great story, and fortunately for his clients, sad for the bear, but that's life in the wild! Reading the self-proclaimed experts' comments is entertaining!✌️

[@johnwurfel2862]

9mm is plenty. Bears are huge but they lack armored heads, necks, and chest cavities.

[@TUCOtheratt]

Honestly...read a book, or few, go back to school and hang out with bear hunters for a while then comment.

[@--SPQR--]

​@@TUCOtherattdid you even watch the video budd

[@TUCOtheratt]

@@--SPQR-- Ya I did watch the entire video ...budd. Don't get yer education on KZbin, or if you do stay out of the woods. Any 9MM, even Buffalo Bore load, is not sufficiently reliable to be used on 800 plus pound brown bear in AK in a life or death situation. Shooter got lucky with a side shot angle through the most lightly boned part of the animal to the vitals and took several shots in the same area. He would have been toast trying to do that with a frontal charge.

[@HaNsWiDjAjA]

​@@TUCOtherattIt happened to one guy named Garen Brenner who was fishing in Alaska's Russian River in 2002. He shot the charging sow twice center mass with plain 9mm fmj, it went down, and then he shot it three times in the head. Looks like even when charged frontally the 9mm could work.

[@TUCOtheratt]

@@HaNsWiDjAjA One guy in Colorado killed one with just a hand held arrow. They've also been killed with a knife so why even carry gun? Heck, a significant number of people survived a self inflicted gun shot to the head but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.🙄

[@ChristianGustafson]

Considering 9mm carry in remote Pasayten borderlands.

[@DrivenA111]

No. This story involved a lot of luck and a seasoned shooter. Do not do that.

[@ChristianGustafson]

@@DrivenA111 Consider the boutique ammo from G9, made for the task.

[@Sleepyjudei]

I'm cracking up at the people in comments acting like someone killed a rhinocerous with a .22.

[@JesseCaldwell-l9e]

A hits a hit ,9mm or 10mm

[@details78]

What a story.

[@leskrug9266]

Amazing

[@TeddyBear-lb9ho]

People have killed bears with 22's Not kidding. Look it up.

[@notsure7874]

They sure have. But it wouldn't be my first choice for bear defense.

[@TresAmigos-ix9vo]

@@notsure7874😂

[@OtisFlint]

One of the biggest brown bears ever killed was a 22lr behind the ear.

[@notsure7874]

@@OtisFlint I don't doubt that at all. But a .22lr still isn't on my list of choice bear defense rounds.

[@MAJOR-10mm]

It sure does! But the bear will not always be in a still position "waiting for the photographer" to do his job.

[@johnnyonthespot1665]

"Do I have to shoot him again?"...Really?

[@JRG-JDG]

i'd unloaded everything clip i had even the 30 rd sht 😅

[@jeffvernon9469]

Glock 10mm, black powder=dead anything. It's a hammer 🔨

[@CarlosHerrera-lf1vh]

Good thing there was no hysterical screaming or outcome would of been way different

[@timd729]

Stoeger Str9 ma boy.

[@damage6836]

Shot placement matters...less recoil the more accurate you'll be

[@Adventure_outdoors16]

That's crazy

[@TheBarronTube]

Interesting!

[@HM1-d4d]

Sig MCX LT 300 BLK

[@Larry-ds6ib]

I equipped +p+ underwood xtreme penetrator for my 9 if no 357mag or up I have

[@BrassManX]

Y’all aren’t paying attention to what he said…HE USED BUFFALO BORE

[@sranney1]

You got to be out of your mind 9 mm on bear

[@MAJOR-10mm]

I'm a big fan of Ron Spomer and I'm not doubting this story, but I think his guest who reported this event exaggerated the ammunition's performance a little. He was probably wrong. He claims the projectile speed would be 1300 fps. That's kind of impossible for a 147-grain 9mm round in a handgun. Doing the math, this bullet speed would give us an IPSC power factor of 191.1, which also translates to 551.77 ft/lb of energy. This would be the first 9x19mm pistol on the planet with such performance. To better understand this, I went to the Underwood and Buffalo Bore websites to see the data on this type of ammunition, but both Underwood and Buffalo Bore say the bullet velocity is 1100 fps, which translates to a realistic IPSC power factor. of 161.7 and 395.05 ft/lb of energy. I'm no expert on Alaskan bears, but I read a lot about these types of life-threatening situations. I understand, however, that this gentleman was successful in using such a caliber in that event. What I don't agree with is having a 9x19mm pistol as your main defensive weapon against an Alaskan bear. *In my humble opinion, he was lucky, as the bear gave him the perfect opportunity to fire several shots into the kill zone.* The 10mm Auto would be my preferred caliber. Congratulations to him.

[@chodieefoster]

So what I’m hearing is that I should bring bait if I plan on encountering a grizzly😂

[@j.hmarvelous2231]

Where can the ammo be found?

[@WorldV1ralDa1ly]

Everywhere

[@georgestirewalt8508]

A 9mm, better than throwing rocks. I think you should always carry an extra clip, just in case.

[@--SPQR--]

Ha yes, making fun of a deadly caliber while not knowing it's called a magazine

[@badgerrrlattin35]

And have your best mag - IN THE WEAPON. Murphy's law dictates if your auto pistol will EVER jam, it will be when you need it most.

[@JDsModernMartialArts]

They use magazines.

[@josephgeorgeejr7039]

Would always carry a extra mag in wilderness in Pennsylvania maybe 2 extra

[@Tom-cp6yj]

Clip?? 🤦‍♂️

[@Ben-cb3lu]

Just need the right ammo. Underwood extreme penetrator, fort Scott TUI.

[@exiledintheus7251]

Unbelievable dude

[@larryweinberg1191]

A think fast act fast moment. where is one aiming if bear charges straight ahead without rising?

[@islandwanderer1173]

Ran into my first Grizz this year in Idaho.. I was out hunting for Aquamarine and had the encounter. My Glock 19 felt like a squirt gun compared to the size of Ol Ephraim!!

[@frisk151]

Common.. You can't tell me any guide has not wanted to accidentally shoot a client a time or two.. ;). A 9mm properly loaded can definitely kill a big bruin / brown bear.. However, you have to be able to accurately shoot under real pressure.. This man certainly fits the bill... I prefer the 10mm but I'll take a 9mm any day over bear spray ! Buffalo Bore for sure.. Or Underwood Xstremes.. LOL!!!! @ "Warning Shot!"..

[@larryraffburn-eg8wg]

A 147gr.bullet going 1300 FPS is one hell of a load!!!! That’s close to 357 magnum specs. I had some 115gr. 9’s going 1325 FPS and the empties flew almost twenty feet. I believe that is close to +P+.

[@knurlgnar24]

The NATO M1152 is 115gr at 1320fps and falls within saami specs. With +P+ (outside of saami spec) a lot more is possible if one is willing to take that risk.

[@larryraffburn-eg8wg]

Thanks I didn’t know that. I’ll say this, when I wet newspaper tested them they opened up bigger than the other bullets I tested.

[@OregunAdventure]

Yep, exactly what I thought. 👊9mm baby👊

[@Bearclaw700]

There are better choices. That bear was not charging at him.

[@markacamacho]

Let me clarify the facts regarding this incident, as there may be many advocates for the 9mm caliber who may respond to this narrative. Firstly, it is important to note that the bear was not charging the individual; rather, the person had the opportunity to take four shots at the bear before it retreated. Had the bear been charging, it is unlikely that the individual would be recounting the experience. Secondly, the individual had the time necessary for precise shot placement. Engaging a moving target, even one approaching directly presents considerable challenges for accuracy. It is pertinent to mention that I possess a variety of firearms, including numerous 9mm models, and I have been a firearms enthusiast for many years. Having spent a significant portion of my younger years in rural settings before serving in the military, I approached hunting with a serious commitment. While individuals may choose to rely on a 9mm for bear encounters, it is essential to refrain from insisting that others adopt the same perspective.

[@MAJOR-10mm]

I completely agree!

[@ucbikecop]

1300 FPS sounds a bit high for a 147G bullet

[@chuckster243]

way high, even 1100 is hot.

[@ucbikecop]

@@chuckster243 Good point, I think 1150 would be 357 sig land. So 1300 probably not so...

[@pjansen2010]

There is no such thing as a 1300fps 147 grain 9mm 😂

[@marcmmclellan]

What ammo?

[@WorldV1ralDa1ly]

Magtech Steel case with nickel finish $11.99

[@MrJsv650]

😂​@@WorldV1ralDa1ly

[@peter_in_alaska]

Too bad we can’t hear the bear’s version.

[@truthseeker2222]

I get away with 9mm in black bear country, always 10mm in Brown bear country. This guy had success because he is an expert and knew where to shoot.

[@daveaver]

More accurate with my .40 S&W than my 10mm. Carry something more than government sponsored spray.