9x19mm, 115gr +P+, Underwood Ammunition Part No. 112

[@pewpewTN]

This is why I measure my carry ammo. Minor bullet setback is usually not a big problem, but when you're already significantly over pressure & near the limit, any setback can be a big problem.

[@BuffRANGE]

Spot on!

[@davidsirmons]

Masaad Ayoob (search youtube) was a cop, now retired and a trainer, and testifies in court often as firearm/shootings/ammunition subject matter expert. He compiled actual shooting data where the barrel length, bullet type, weight, shooting distance, and general build of the attacker was known. What he found was that +P 124 and +P 147 would commonly OVERPENETRATE normally built people (average body size, not overly fat nor heavily muscled) whereas the 115 +P did NOT. 115 +P+ is going to expand a bit more than +P, but will CERTAINLY cause more damage from the 200+ fps it achieves out of 4" or 4"+ barrel.

[@SG-hh9lu]

Masaad Ayoob is a phony, he never even pulled out his gun in a real life situation when he was a cop.......he takes real cops data and uses that

[@funwithballistics1016]

Very interesting! Which article was this from?

[@grassyknollblues]

The 115 +P+ is a great round. Illinois state police carried it for years.

[@DerWaidmann_]

I respectfully disagree about 115 grain defensive loads. Speer Gold Dot 115 performs fantastic in barrel lengths under 4 inches and is going so much faster than 124 that it produces more energy. Lucky Gunner's gel tests show all of the 115 grain loads exceed the 12 inch minimum, usually about 13.5-16 inches into gel and most of them expand completely. 115s usually under-penetrate when they are going too fast because they expand too quickly, but that is unlikely in most concealed carry guns since their barrels are under 4 inches. I carry 115 grain Gold Dots in my P365 and P365 XL and I trust them implicitly. However, I do agree that 124 is the better choice from a compact-fullsize barrel length.

[@ryanranard5187]

Underwood makes outstanding ammo. I always buy their 9mm +p+ ammo. These rounds would be absolutely devastating on a human.

[@Swampytheroot]

Nice review. I actually have a couple of cases of this load. It's certainly application specific. If all you have is a 9mm G19 and/or a PCC using Glock mags, this is outstanding for varmints, assuming you can hit them. Especially from a PCC. It acts almost like a Varmegeddon (?) 223 or 300BO load. Limited range vs any rifle chambering for sure, but the effect is the same to about 50 yards. Nice presentation.

[@aadd62]

love the new format, the voice over during the crono session is a great improvement, Stay way from running +P+ in pistol caliber carbines for obvious reasons.

[@GanjaBabyy]

I'm lost what's the reason? I've never had any issues running +p+

[@harisyoung4110]

What problem will occur ? i often run 124gr underwood in my keltec carbine..

[@leoguy1609]

Like Underwood Ammunition and it's cheaper than a lot of their competitors. I carry 124 grain +P and have done so for many years. Ammunition in ballistic test don't always do well in real world situations.

[@mikemchugh949]

I carry the same and have been ever since I first shot it. I have 11 "18" round magazines loaded and ready.

[@nathan_k]

3:41 - Glad you're OK. Were wearing eye/ear PPE as one always should. Also fortuitous this was a relatively low-charge round, in a relatively blow-down/out platform. (And not your nice EVO SBR PCC -- with its need of user-made OOB part fix.) Also thank you for sharing video without sensationalizing. The even-handedness and professionalism speaks to your work. One note: I always noted when dropping bolt with CH back, some rifles do not go fully into battery depending on spring/buffer type. (Armaspec SRS comes to mind.) I never thought to test to ensure all my firearms can properly chamber a round -- with the charging handle adding friction and back. I'll look to that more now. Also curious how PSA ARV is designed. I thought all AR platforms had OOB protection by bolt carrier length + firing pin rear float. (Is this result of ARV being direct blowback..?)

[@nathan_k]

Viewing your comments again, it seems the issue was bullet setback, into case volume, caused by a misfeed? I am a novice, so won't dwell on neck tension aspects. But wasn't there some note about "compressed loads" (such as Vargut 223) being "safer" for this reason? Not sure if same principle applies to 9mm.

[@BuffRANGE]

Yeah the bullet got set back enough on the jam that it increased the pressure. Likely above what the case can take. You can see the primer still looks fine. I'm guessing the case just couldn't handle it.

[@graywind4326]

Federal HST 147 works well all the way down to 3 inch barrels and up through 16 inch. Nice expansion and penetration.

[@TerminalM193]

Absolutely love all offerings of HST in 9mm. If I'm not running Speer Gold Dot 124g +p then it's 147g HST.

[@njw1977]

I stopped using Underwood because of setback issues with .357 Sig. It was bad enough I (luckily) caught it by eye. I verified it with micrometers and emailed Underwood. They acted like they didn't give a crap.

[@camoandplaid]

Great info as always. That bullet comparison at the end was helpful. Glad you didn’t die.

[@ru2yaz33]

FBI recommend minimum penetration are for "if" the bullet hits an obstruction before reaching the trunk of the body.

[@BuffRANGE]

for consistency they recommend it always goes 12" min.. :)

[@ericferguson9989]

I am impressed by your thoroughness as well as with the message on your t-shirt.

[@BuffRANGE]

My pleasure :D The opening shirt or the closing shirt ?

[@ericferguson9989]

@@BuffRANGE The one that references the State Farm slogan.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@ericferguson9989 Agreed. I do appreciate my neighbors who don't write me letters asking me to clean up leaves that came from the other neighbor's tree :D

[@Rob-xj3xh]

The 9mm 115gr +p+ Federal Hi Shok still holds on to the title for 9mm one shot stops.

[@blindtrace7220]

Light +p+ in blowbacks is always a roll of the dice.

[@RANDOMNATION907]

Barnes Tac-XP 115gr. All Copper HP is my preferred carry ammo. It's nice to see the comparison. It's always available where I live. It's reasonably priced and from the reviews I've seen it performs to my liking. Also, it's accurate and trouble free out of my pistol. I never use +P, except when I carry my .38 spl.

[@Swampytheroot]

I got in a case of their 38+P 158gr hardcast last week. Holy JayZus! You might wanna look into that load

[@RANDOMNATION907]

@@Swampytheroot Do you mean Underwood?

[@Swampytheroot]

@@RANDOMNATION907 yes. It's an Underwood 158gr 38 Special+P load. And it's nearly 357Mag velocity. No signs of overpressure. Their hardcast with their proprietary coating.

[@Swampytheroot]

@@RANDOMNATION907 It was actually on sale, and I had a percentage off coupon for spending way too much $ with them

[@CreasyEQ]

Thank you for this review. I have some of these Underwood ammo ✅. I have a few 115 grain loads. Even 100 rounds of 70 grain loads❗

[@jamieeakin1383]

Thanks for a really good test!!

[@DanTheWolfman]

Gun Sam Tested these and the 124+p+ w the Nosler..which got deep enough for None LE uses where as the 124+p+ bonded GD better for LE uses. 9bple underpenetrates yet has TONS of LE Street Cred...ie probably quick stopper frontal chest shots but not if has to go through arm or side thoracic shot through shoulder first. He tested M1152 today (at 39,700 PSI it technically an unlisted +p+), in my Post I plugged your chrono numbers maybe get you some traffic for all you do. I believe only certain HKs have said try to break me with your +P+ HK don't care

[@shovelhead2155]

I like the dubbed velocity stats while you're doing the test

[@BuffRANGE]

:D Thanks I did that for a few then stopped. I could start doing it again, or in addition.

[@shovelhead2155]

@@BuffRANGE I think it adds a more polished production feel. I guess for a lack of terms it adds "Style" and "Professionalism". I really appreciate the time, effort, and consideration you put in to these tests. Thank you.

[@charlesbukowski9836]

9BPLE Federal was called the "zapper" by Illinois State patrol due to it dropping guys like flies...115 9 ppp is no fucking joke

[@TerminalM193]

HOLLLYYYYY that jam was scary! Glad you and your boomstick are okay.

[@mikemchugh949]

Absolutely excellent ammo

[@BuffRANGE]

Well except the KB!

[@BravoJulietAlpha]

@Buffman-R.A.N.G.E I'm pretty confident you are bumping the mag release. Bear from @BearIndependent KZbin channel was having the same issue and it turns out it's a common issue with that Dagger. Shalom.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for the heads uP!

[@ReubenOaks84]

I like Underwood +P 90gr xtreme solids for certain applications, but for most of my EDC, I use Federal 124gr Punch and home defense with a longer barrel I opt for 124gr +P HST or Speer 124gr +P gold dots

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Hey Matt happy Sunday. Great video

[@BuffRANGE]

Happy Sunday to you too!

[@M.H.D.actual]

115 grain + p + used to be really good when speer was loading it with a gold dot, and I believe Underwood used to do the same with a gold dot as well. Looks like they are using some sort of conventional cup and core hollow point now though, doesn't seem up to the task. For my short barrel 9mm, I just used the 124 grain +p gold dot factory loading and it seems more than up to the task. That case head separation you got with the AR9 was gnarly. That bolt probably didn't have enough mass to deal with the little bit of added pressure from the bullet being pushed in. Probably started extracting just a hair too early and there's your kaboom of the case head from the body. I wonder how a locked system would have dealt with that added pressure versus the straight blowback, very interesting and im glad your hand is okay.

[@DIYDad1]

Ah so this is the rest of the story about that kaboom round. You did get a chrono reading it looked like? Same FPS, you are very possibly correct here in that when the round got jammed it seated the bullet in too far causing a pressure spike. Glad you're alright. I guess my faith in Underwood is slightly restored again lol, knowing this was an equipment malfunction and not something just loaded extra pissin hot, even though they are loaded pretty spicy to begin with.

[@richardefriend]

I love Underwood ammo, but only their Xtreme Defender and (for my .380) Xtreme Penetrator. Perhaps you'd like to give them a try. They generally beat the pants off the best HP ammo for every barrel length (and the shorter the length, the better they do), and being 'barrier blind', they don't particularly care what they get shot through (with limits, of course).

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Great data , fantastic results🏁

[@joker747A]

I’m curious how the Federal (9BPLE) +P+ 9mm compares to the underwood.

[@BuffRANGE]

The 7.72" 9BPLE = the 4.5" UW velocities. I tested 9BPLE awhile back : kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6mqgZyDfrJ1j9k

[@joker747A]

@@BuffRANGE Rgr that and thank you, Sir! I’ll check it out shortly 🫡

[@richki.24]

good video, thanks for the testing ...

[@BuffRANGE]

You are most welcome

[@DIYDad1]

The 124gr underwood nosler loads perform a lot better than the 115, much better balance of expansion and penetration the 115 is just too light for this velocity. Underwood is also loading a tac-xp now those seem like they perform great!

[@Rob-xj3xh]

Better check one shot stop data. +P+ 115 9mm Federal is at the very tip top.

[@DIYDad1]

@@Rob-xj3xh the famous bp9le load. Yep one of the best for sure. The reason for that is because it was strictly sold as a law enforcement load for many years so they have the data to back up that claim.

[@Halal_Dan]

They should use those shell shock cases if they're going to load ammo that hot

[@B_r_u_c_e]

Thank you.

[@BradleyHoff-ck5kw]

Maybe a stupid question but I’m curious, if that 16 inch barrel is getting that many foot pounds, would a fmj now be more effective than in a standard pistol length barrel?

[@BuffRANGE]

It's just going to penetrate A LOT. You're still under a threshold where velocity would be aiding in wounding.

[@af22raptor23503]

Great Video, FYI Underwood uses the Nosler Projectiles for SKU#112 which is not a bonded projectile but it is designed to mushroom at certain velocities constantly. I am not a big fan of 9mm as a primary defensive round because to get the necessary Kinetic Energy to do the Required Damage to Stop a Two legged Situation you need to a Plus P Plus 9mm in a 8 inch barrel like a MP5 or 16 inch PCC to get the Higher Velocities but the Majority of Handguns are NOT Designed to handle Plus P Plus and the only pistol I know that can handle it is the HK USP pistol which was originally designed to handle 40sw. The majority of pistols that get a steady diet of Plus P Plus 9mm ammo do become a ticking time bomb because of the extra stress on the barrel chamber becoming a hand grenade that can go off at anytime. One of the main reasons that the US NAVY SEALs adopted the SIG P226 over the M9 Beretta was that the M9 could not handle the SUPER HOT Ammo that the SEALs were using in their MP5 and the M9 were blowing up barrels and slides. I prefer to use 40sw, 357sig, 45apc and 10mm auto for defense and use 9mm strictly for target shooting or to teach someone new to firearms which is something that I have been doing for over 30 years now both in the Military and Civilian life.

[@dsrrecordsent]

Ummmmm RIP SIR GASTON BUT ANY GLOCK ESPECIALLY DUTY SIZE/FULL CAN HANDLE 9mm +P+🤨🧐🤔💭🧠✅💯%

[@af22raptor23503]

@@dsrrecordsent That is INCORRECT! If you go to any Glock Manual you will see that it States that Glocks are Designed to Handle Saami Spec ammo and 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19/9mm NATO is rated at 35,000 PSI Chamber Pressure which is what SAAMI and GLOCK is. Now Plus P and Plus P Plus are NOT Regulated by the SAAMI a SPEC and Manufactures can put about anything they want into the Casing to increase the Velocity and the Majority of do so with a Chamber Pressure of 38,500 PSI or MORE in the Plus P and Plus P Plus and I have seen data where some 9mm Plus P Plus have been in the 42,000-44,000 PSI LEVEL which is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! I love Glocks and I own all the models except the Sub-Compacts because they are too small for me and I also do not own the 380 because I do not see a reason to buy a 380 when a 9mm is a better backup caliber but I still have the Gen 3, 4 and 5 of the 17-41including weapons like the Gen 3 Glock 24 40sw and also have the 357sig barrel for it which is an AWESOME Weapon for about anything you want to do with it. Now Glock Barrels have the Issue of not Completely Supporting the Chamber which is an issue when Shooting HOT Loads and that is WHY Glock Owners have KABOOMS! That being said someone taking a Glock 22 40sw and putting an aftermarket supported chamber 9mm Barrel in that 40sw slide COULD Shoot a Steady diet of 9mm Plus P Plus but I do not see why they would do so when 357SIG has better ballistics than the BEST 9mm Plus P Plus round! Page 12 of the Glock Owners Manual States when I said and here is the link to the Glock Manual: GLOCK Owner's Manual Models G17 - G48 us.glock.com/en/downloadable-materials

[@grigorirasputin5020]

​@af22raptor23503 Dude, are you pulling that "information" you are spewing, out of your own but? You obviously do not know what you are talking about on at least some points. For instance, SAAMI does have parameters for +P ammo, though you say they do not. Do some reading and learn some facts before handing out this kind of "information".

[@richki.24]

I usually stick with standard pressure ammo but i do have a few Underwood +p 9mm for my inventory ...

[@DanTheWolfman]

Are the vids on the other ammo at the end coming or where is it? thanks

[@BuffRANGE]

The sig is needing to be completed. black Hills > kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmPClJeHeNGChK8

[@ja0298]

I’ll stick to 124 and 147 HSTs.

[@stuartlunsford7556]

68gr Xtreme defender +p for life lol! Xtreme defender is honey badger ammo.

[@boostimalaka1]

The 115 grain +P+ loaded by Federal and Winchester had a very good one shot stop record in Law Enforcement. The trend for heavier bullets using 147 grain Subsonic loads in the late 80s and 90s had mixed results in actual Police shootings. The 124 grain Speer Gold Dot standard pressure load was used by New York and New Jersey State Police. The +P version used by NYPD and other law enforcement agencies proved to be a good load with years of data. If you use the new ammunition used for micro pistols. Definitely not recommended for PCC because the gun powder is designed specifically for short barrels.

[@Citybreakdancerman10]

Great video as always

[@davidjernigan7576]

Since there is no SAAMI spec for +p+ I would choose a different caliber gun if I felt I needed more power

[@mobilegamersunite]

They do however make the best 460 ammo! Strong case that wont warp under extreme spring pressure 🎉

[@DanTheWolfman]

Hi guys, would you plz allow me to post my 2nd "Modern Meat Target" kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGqsl4l5mbmcpsU +P vs +P+ Is Plus P Velocity More Effective? Leave me a comment let me know what you think!

[@BuffRANGE]

Eden Perfection :D

[@chengteh]

I would drop a really long-winded comment, however, I'll keep it short. I don't really see the need for +p+ in this 9mm load. Overpressure loads just wear out the firearm quicker (although, most people probably don't shoot enough of it to matter), and I feel like if you need to run 1400+ fps out of a 9mm, you might as well just use .357 sig at normal pressure. Or better yet, if you don't want the cost of .357 sig, just use a 155 grain .40 cal.

[@BuffRANGE]

You're not wrong. I don't see an issue with like +P 124/147gr, but time and time again these +P+ 115gr loads, just don't get the penetration depths needed all at the expense of more recoil, and more wear..

[@Crossdariver504]

Do underwood & buffalo bore 10mm loads

[@bdub0983]

The speed is the issue with this ammo. Regular loads running 1100 ish fps in 115 gr jhp ammo runs fine and does exactly what the FBI recommends. Tools and targets just tested some the other day (I forget the brand) but through denim and cotton and 14 to 15 in penetration and good expansion. If you're gonna go plus p then you should definitely up the weight. If, of course, you're actually getting the rates velocities.

[@Shoelaces77]

Can you try out Raptor tactical helmets? I have mixed reviews about them.

[@BuffRANGE]

Do you have a link to them?

[@rtaggs8178]

Bullets do funny things. These gel tests are fun but, bullets will do differently depending on certain factors. Seen certain rounds do not so well in gel but, in real life did great. You never know.

[@BuffRANGE]

That is very true as well.

[@kevinroberts781]

No ammo is to light for self-defense

[@alexskillz45]

"I will be using my Glock with a 4" barrel and a 507K because it will make a big difference in accuracy." ...Shoots low at 5 feet.

[@BuffRANGE]

Funny how I do that every time.

[@Crossdariver504]

You’re an ammo connoisseur in your opinion; what’s the best self defense/personal defense 10mm auto loads for everyday carry/city carry?

[@TerminalM193]

You can't go wrong with all gold dot loadings in 10mm.

[@danielaramburo7648]

That 9 was hot. Not as hot 357 magnum out of a rifle, but still impressive.

[@PhilJLF]

Talk about a jump scare!

[@nomad155]

Have you tested the 68gr and 90gr 9mm? Non +p

[@BuffRANGE]

No?

[@nomad155]

@@BuffRANGE Darn. I'll see what I can do then

[@pjbiggleswerth8903]

Have u done the 68g 1800fps 9mm xtreme def?

[@almaadams3631]

65/68grn. 357SIG Xtreme defender @ 2250 out of a 5" M&P pro( KKM barrel) I have a hand rifle under my steering column now!

[@roflchopter11]

I'd like to see some of the VERY light 9mm rounds against soft armor.

[@Halal_Dan]

Lots of tests on those already

[@jonswaen7458]

Next comes the +p+ 124 and 147 grain!

[@Enjoyer.762]

👍

[@jammbbs1688]

I like to run +p in my canik it handles it very well

[@BuffRANGE]

Good!

[@mdd1963]

.354”? That explains the tendency for setback…

[@BuffRANGE]

A lot of 9mm is .353-.354 :)

[@Jimmy.O.]

Sheesh... got a case rupture

[@BuffRANGE]

Yep. Be careful with these.

[@jammbbs1688]

That's really funny cuz I've always thought 115 is poop for self defense I carry 124 or more but not 147 due to lack of speed

[@BuffRANGE]

124/147 is arguably better

[@nikos6220]

Agreed, 124s are the sweet spot out of a full size 9x19. But I haven’t seen a 147 load I’d prefer over good 124s in a pistol. The long projectile eats into powder capacity and many JHP designs already struggle to expand through cloth at 124 speeds. The 115s are all to often marketing bs with the highest speeds and ft-lb numbers, turning into frag grenades as the bullet design can’t cope

[@edgarburlyman738]

Give me

[@nikos6220]

@@edgarburlyman738 couldn’t agree more. I run a 65 grain Lehigh Defense XD in a 357 Sig

[@TerminalM193]

147g Federal HST performs amazing from 3" - 16".

[@nikos6220]

@@TerminalM193 the HST is a bit of a unicorn. If you subscribe to penetration depth and expansion being the relevant factors, the HSTs are brilliant across the board. My only gripe with them is that they are often loaded relatively anaemicly for the respective cartridge. my suspicion is that the reliable expansion at really low speeds, will make the come apart at high speeds

[@almaadams3631]

Gotta say it again.... FTFBI!

[@killacamfoo]

I'll stick to +P at max, these can be too spicy (as evidenced). Same error could easily happen by rechambering a round a couple of times.

[@djangofreeman9382]

Yea and 115 grain Much to light for such high velocities…Even in standard pressure most 115 grain JHP expand terrific but not so good sometimes even lousy penetration (under 12”)

[@wadelandeche8632]

Winchester Auto Comp Powder

[@MB-jg4tr]

I'll stick with Federal 124g +p HST

[@eddiearchuleta615]

They need to do a plus p plus xtreme defender 68 grain

[@pewpewTN]

They used to. They made standard, +p & +p+ all 3 at one point.

[@eddiearchuleta615]

They need to make it again+P+ 68 grain 9mm would be ultimate

[@rangetime6779]

Great test. Those are just too hot a round. I'd hate to shoot them on a 100 degree day....

[@edgarburlyman738]

Hirtenberger buscadero tycondas

[@MyLonewolf25]

3:41 is a good reason why I’m anti forward assist or beating any round into battery. If it doesn’t go in on its own it comes out. Glad you’re ok!

[@elsullo2]

Pssssssst: Your hat is on crooked!............................elsullo

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry I can’t afford wardrobe or makeup. 😮

[@randallbollinger9625]

🤣

[@FilmThePoliceFTP]

That’s what we call the “old codger look”. When my father accidentally put his hat on like that (throughout my entire life) it makes him look like an old codger.

[@funwithballistics1016]

Jhps wouldnt be my first choice in general but these performed well with excellent penetration fragmentation and velocity.

[@jeromeharrison7450]

i knew I was write to toss jammed rounds

[@biffphuddle6581]

If you are dumb enough to buy 9mm +p+ you might as well just get a gun in .357 or a 10mm, or maybe a 357 sig. I never trusted any +p+ ammo.

[@djangofreeman9382]

Yes 9mm 115 grain is wayyy to light for +P+ velocities….I’ll stick with my 124 Grain +P Winchester Ranger T…..Good penetration (15”) and Marvelous expansion (.65 caliber) minimum and (.79 caliber) Maximum expansion😱

[@DinoNucci]

PizzA

[@BuffRANGE]

Shish Tawook

[@DinoNucci]

@@BuffRANGE 👀😱

[@ulknatmelknatu]

Underwood- no more after this video.

[@Gator69420]

The only V crown that’s worth anything are the 10mm

[@buddysumner4022]

I hate to tell u but a glock doesn’t have a good supported chamber, a factory glock would be one of the last guns I would fire +p+ ammo out of, if u don’t believe me just do a little research

[@BuffRANGE]

9mm Glocks have supported chambers.