9x19mm, 80gr External Hollow Points, G9 Defense

[@calangel]

Update for those of you who are interested in these: There's a +p version out. The past version (as of 2024) of the +p used only about 0.1gr more than what you see here. Slug was the same as well. Clearly a turned/CNC made projectile. Small amount of a greyish sealant between the bullet and case. The current version uses a pink/red sealant, uses 0.1gr LESS than the previous revision (not a huge deal, as the sealant has a MUCH stronger hold on the bullet), and the bullet appears as if it was stamped/pressed. The bullet also appears to have slightly wider flute diameter at the base. It may perform better terminally at slightly lower velocity.

[@mghegotagun]

I gave them a call about any recent changes to their projectile. I didn't get much out of them. What's your source? What do you consider "better terminally"? Less base-forward instances?

[@deucedeuce1572]

It's almost absurd that youtube never recommended any of your videos to me before. Have watched countless tests like this before on other channels and have had many other channels recommended to me... but only found yours today after specifically looking up tests for these bullets. The funny thing is that I had the idea for these a long time ago, but never knew they already existed.

[@MakayuRonin]

You're my favorite channel on KZbin man, keep doing what you do

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks, will do!

[@MobileAura]

@@BuffRANGE 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳😺

[@EssPhour]

I love the data you collect, I'm shocked how low the views are on some of your stuff, you are like the best kept secret in this sphere. Thanks for the work you do man.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you for the kind words and you are very welcome !

[@44hawk28]

This is the first iteration of these monolithic projectiles I have ever seen that actually produces what appears to be a decent permanent wound cavity. There's still a little bit of over penetration, but not nearly as much as most of the other round types that this is a member of. Permanent wound cavity is the only measurement by which pistol rounds are able to stop an aggressor in any real sense. The other problem I have is this is the worst gel and it's still showing good permanent wound cavity. In Bear gel that cavity would probably be about three times what you're showing. In actual gunfights the penetration is not going to be as high so it should work well. I still think 40 Smith is a far superior cartridge to 9 mm. At least until you get 9 mm up into some really sparkling velocities, such as this one which is mimicking 357 Magnum velocities or almost

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for stopping by. :D

[@TheProAer]

Wow!! Impressive. Loading my P365 with these now after seeing this test. Thanks for doing this test showing how impressive these perform.

[@JoeyOutlaw]

The shoutout to WTW was great to see!!!

[@RightWingNutter]

I’ve got some 118gr 4 flute Lehigh defense rounds loaded. Out of a Glock 19 they average about 1276 fps, 427 ft/lbs. Looks like they’d be quite effective, but with that kind of barrier penetration I’d better be sure to not miss.

[@997JM]

Another great video. Thanks Matt!

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank yoU!

[@GavinMcCune]

Anybody know where I can get these in California? Stupid ammo import laws are still in effect here.

[@21psd]

Great review! This looks like a very good carry round! Good job, very well organized and concise review

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for watching

[@frankbrowning328]

Great video. Well done testing. Looks like a good bullet. If you're in an area that forbids expanding bullets this looks like a great option.

[@JohnLloydScharf]

So does a wadcutter.

[@doejohn8674]

@@JohnLloydScharf in 9 mm?

[@Enjoyer.762]

A politically motivated anti 2A prosecutor would have a field day merely because of the looks.

[@jdhill770]

@@Enjoyer.762 rittenhouse trial showed that a prosecutor is going to attack your ammo selection no matter what, using incorrect, borderline mouthbreather language about how they work no matter if they're a hollowpoint ("meant to explode inside the person and *ShReD tHeIr iNsIdEs*") or full metal jacket ("oh, you mean bullets that sre designed to Punch Through CARS!!!"). Choose an effective round that Functions 100% out of your gun. Then don't talk to the police if involved in a shooting, and get a lawyer.

[@Enjoyer.762]

@@jdhill770 You are 100% correct. But as attorney Andrew Branca points out, weird or unusual ammo makes it easier for a politically motivated prosecutor to try and screw you with the jury. It's easier for your criminal defense attorney to rebut the prosecutor if you use law enforcement agency approve duty ammo as your own personal defensive ammo assuming said ammo was civilian legal in whatever state you live in.

[@calangel]

Now, to see how these compare to the Lehigh XD...

[@jason200912]

So here's the thing. If you're a handloader then yes the g9 is the better BULLET. However underwood is the better case loader as their ammo configuration will outperform the g9 in armor pen but not in wound diameters. So for maximum defense ? Buy a g9 380 bullet and load it into (copy) the underwood case and powder.

[@derek223556]

Looks like good stuff. I’d love to see a sheet metal test with these to simulate a car door or something. You could do that in place of the body armor test and it would be cheaper. Different data points obviously but both are good to know.

[@ilhe1s]

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[@tihnsorfjw]

very impressive! Have been waiting for you to do this load, as I've been eyeing this ammunition for a while

[@BuffRANGE]

No problem! Sorry it took so long.

[@tihnsorfjw]

@@BuffRANGE no worries! So for your main carry load would you choose this over HST (hypothetical)?

[@tihnsorfjw]

@buffman would you choose this over underwood?

[@Mounty621]

Being that I live in North Idaho where they are manufactured, the store for which I work carries these rounds. I was skeptical. Thank you for conducting these ballistic gelatin tests and recording it. I have been looking to see real performance through the specified FBI protocol barriers since being introduced to the brand. Temporary and permanent wound channel wasn't as spectacular as I had heard it would be. At least you get the necessary penetration required for incapacitation for the most part.

[@CinemaZiggy]

This is some of the 3rd party findings from viper weapons they do joint agency testing and more. docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=files.elfsight.com/storage/be175fc3-e40a-494d-9cb5-ee3cbdc101aa/8c1bbaf5-bb8d-46d9-b255-5864a6d20f1d/2020-Viper-9mm-40-Wound-Ballistics-Test.pdf

[@georgekirby3361]

Yes up here in chinada we have a few 18.5” 9mm we are somewhat still “ legally” aloud to have. Thus I appreciate you using this longer barrel for the comparisons. Thanks

[@usmcson3]

You can't have a rifle length for a pistol round?

[@sleepyhead9756]

Wound channels in a meat target are horrifying. Meat vs gel has different results.

[@WaterZer0]

Learned about this round and why aramid fiber has been mostly phased out for polyethylene.

[@01PATRIOT4EVER]

Great video

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you kindly!

[@andrewlightbody4221]

Great video man. Just found your channel. I actually bought some G9 a couple weeks ago.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you very much! I'm not as cool as Garand Thumb but I do have a lot of data about ballistics :D

[@mghegotagun]

​@@BuffRANGEhow's the recoil on this stuff ? Might switch from barnes' 115s

[@doghousedon1]

I'd love to see how these bullets stack up against a good hard cast semi-wadcutter load. Thanks for the vid.

[@frankgrillo8094]

Hey Matt , i don't tecall if i thanked you for your indepth reviews yet😁so here it is-- most importantly for includind the 16in carbine-- oh so effective- i believe it to be the ultimate property defensive tool a available. Specifically for these reasons: accuracy/power-ability to utilize lights-lasers-optics-slings-hi cap mags , THANK YOU.

[@BuffRANGE]

The pleasure is all mine!

[@tihnsorfjw]

bro you should've been over 100K subscribers at least two years ago. KZbin is suppressing your content for sure

[@BuffRANGE]

It would sure seem like it. I am only allowed to go 500-1000 subs a month MAX. Takes me a long time to grow :(

[@tihnsorfjw]

bro you need another gun channel that will give you a well deserved shout out then. KZbin is intentionally suppressing your channel, and should have at least 200K subs by now@@BuffRANGE

[@BuffRANGE]

@@tihnsorfjw oxide has a couple times. I sent Edwin S. Some ammo and he said he shotout but nothing :/

[@RANDOMNATION907]

First time viewer. Fantastically done. Great information. Subbed.

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome, thank you! I am on the dry side, but if you want data, I'm the guy :D

[@skiflyfightdoc]

Very nice. I would love to see this G9Defense billet compared to the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Defense Extreme Defense bullet (or the Lehigh Defense loading of their Extreme Defense bullet)! I've been carrying the Underwood version of it.

[@jason200912]

So here's the thing. If you're a handloader then yes the g9 is the better BULLET. However underwood is the better case loader as their ammo configuration will outperform the g9 in armor pen but not in wound diameters. It will pierce 3a armor. The g9 will not unless you can show them your law enforcement credentials to buy their brass ap ammo. So for maximum defense ? Buy a g9 380 bullet and load it into (copy) the underwood case and powder.

[@cos69mo]

Would like to see you run a similar comparison with the G9 70g EHP in .380. Possible choices to shoot from are any of the Ruger LCP vs Glock vs your choice. The penetration of these rounds with the likely nasty wound channel in tissue seems to make them a very good choice for EDC in colder weather, even in .380

[@jake9705]

Holy FUCK those bullets are amazing 😳😳😳

[@MulitGunArt]

Just the rest I wanted to see on a 9mm round thank you for all your great testing greatly appreciate it.

[@wastool]

I can send you some 9mm 115 grain +p Blackhills Tac-xp, do you have any interest?

[@TexasBroskiActual]

That is some spicy 9mm in the SCORPION EVO!!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Very spicy :D

[@KrakenBolter]

G9 defense had excellent results

[@GunFunZS]

Thanks for doing what you do. I was just thinking about how your channel started with a barrel and turning HSTs into artwork on my drive home, when I see you got an upload...

[@brodyscarlett5527]

That's actually pretty good performance. Those always looked gimmicky to me

[@ProfessionalPepper]

Awesome hard thorough work! You must have spent 100+ hours making this video. It's hard to give up on the tried and true jhp design, but if positive street performance data builds up for these lightweight solid copper projectiles, I think they may have a chance at taking a good chunk of the defensive ammo market share in 20 years.

[@BuffRANGE]

I spent probably 10 hrs alone editing it :D Actually shooting it, and all that plus behind the scenes stuff might add up to 100hrs :D

[@ProfessionalPepper]

@@BuffRANGE dang well ya did a good job.

[@deucedeuce1572]

For real. Really goes the extra mile to do all the tests. Seems like they're more effective than I expected them to be too.

[@hhds4716]

Hope to see the new 30 super carry a.s.a.p

[@kungfukitten6735]

Seem like great rounds, lighter bullets means more convenient to carry.

[@JohnLloydScharf]

Unless you are carrying 33 rounds, not likely.

[@Enjoyer.762]

@@JohnLloydScharf Clipazine! Lol.

[@25centsapop]

I was just looking at picking up the Arex! Also that wound channel doesn't look like as much surface area as a typical hollow point, but I imagine the length of the channel makes up for that

[@tylerlewis6204]

Ballistics gel isn't a good representation of how these rounds work but I was excited to finally see it run through gel. They are meant to grab live tissue and throw the meat out creating a significant woundChanel, imagine a propeller going through meat. Awesome video and thanks for the review on these as they are now my go to carry ammo. +1 subscriber here! GunsAmerica also did a review on these where he shoots slabs of meat I'd recommend you watch that video as well to get another view point on them!

[@thatoneguy454c]

Fluted projectiles are nasty. I have taken a few Hogs with the extreme Defender +P+ and it is actually a bit to destructive for my liking. Did a lot of damage to the meat and the lungs were ripped up badly as well. The projectile is usually stopped either by the ribs on the opposite side of the pig or under the skin just past them have only had one pass through completely and that was on a 65 ish lb hog. It seems like in most cases the rounds are extremely consistent in the way they dump energy. Definitely more damage than most conventional hollow points/soft points in my experience.

[@iZephiroth]

Sounds like it may not be good for hogs if you want to lessen damage to the meat. But, for self-defense using deadly force, you want maximum damage.

[@thatoneguy454c]

@@iZephiroth they did a lot more damage than traditional hollow points. As I said they shredded the meat around the entrance wound and the lungs were torn apart like crazy. They don't look that impressive in gell but on living things they are nasty.

[@thecollector3525]

Man will eat anything 🤮 😮

[@thomasbourn9340]

My favorite ammo 🤷‍♂️

[@dsrrecordsent]

Why? You know speed and mass both deliver energy right? A 124gr +P HST has more weight therefore more momentum than such a light for caliber handgun loading! Stopping power is a real thing why take a light pistol load over 1 that packs a punch?

[@scottstewart5784]

I wonder what an 80 gr FMJ would do for damage. Or an 80 gr flatnose fmj (wadcutter). Point being - is it the funky shape or the speed?

[@TerminalM193]

As far as temporary and permanent cavity damage velocity means nothing unless it reaches a minimum of 2200fps.

[@Knight_of_the_Old_Code]

Any idea how these might perform in a Staccato XC?

[@jasonkeating9958]

That 16" is the truth for those people who say that that 9mm doesn't get hardly any performance increase past a 10" barrel

[@mtower235]

Depends on the powder used

[@jasonkeating9958]

In a say a underwood 124gr+p+ or minuteman 124gr+p+ both are similar around 550fpe plus from a 4" pistol, then those rounds in a 16" barrel are easily going to match a hot 357 magnum from a 4" to 6" barrel, That 16" with those 124gr +p+ mentioned above would be an amazing home defence PCC/PCR And with a equal power round but non bonded and maybe lead exposed tip like a remington umc but +p+ for people who really don't want any over penetration as that would mostly explode would be a nice option, Especially as with that barrel length and even an aggressive break and comp combination the recoil should be fine and probably fine just with a flash hider.

[@politicallyinsensitive4200]

But if you're going to run a 16" why not just use 55gr 5.56? 77gr for a 10.5?

[@bly4233]

Depends on the load. Different loads will top out with different barrel lengths. I’ve seen 9mm top out at 7”…

[@thomasbourn9340]

Great channel 🎉🎉🎉

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks!

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Great video. So much info

[@BuffRANGE]

Glad it was helpful!

[@the3rdid485]

I really am starting to come around to this stuff, but I've seen very mixed results about the accuracy of this out of a handgun.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'll try some when I get more from the handgun.

[@whatsup24_7]

Wow 95 degrees and high humidity and you're wearing pants, coat, and a hat. I'd be dying

[@BuffRANGE]

The power of editing :) The velocity portion was when it was that hot and then it got cold when over the next few weeks as I finished.

[@whatsup24_7]

@@BuffRANGE oh gotcha😂

[@wastool]

I can sent you some 115 grain Blackhills Tac-xp, do you have any interest?

[@BuffRANGE]

In honesty I would take them, but it all depends on what you want to see. I tend to need upwards of 100 rounds or more for a full test, and that's something I wouldn't want to ask of a sub to donate.

[@wastool]

@@BuffRANGE It a bit pricey, but I can do 80 to 100 rounds. I'm mainly interested in velocity and penetration out of a Glock 43.

[@wastool]

@@BuffRANGE It a bit pricey, but I can do 80 to 100 rounds. I'm mainly interested in velocity and penetration out of a Glock 43.

[@wastool]

@@BuffRANGE This load is insanely accurate, I was able to get groups the size of my thumbnail at 25 yards out of a Glock 43x MOS.

[@wastool]

@@BuffRANGE I'm comfortable with 100 rounds, just let me know how to get them to you if you want to make this happen.

[@luciankristov6436]

1800 fps is nuts . I have 10.5 ak i built. I would love to run those in my gun. 1500+ fps is pretty decent

[@KFGHQ]

I load my Hellcat and G43 with Underwood 90gr +P+ Extreme Defender. How do these compare? Great video!

[@ryanranard5187]

Where did you get your yellow 9mm shirt? I like it!

[@BuffRANGE]

I believe from ZQI

[@ryanranard5187]

@@BuffRANGE Okay, thanks.

[@mtower235]

Good stuff. That’s awful close for a windshield shot. Ain’t trying to be a speed bump 😂

[@BuffRANGE]

Hehe :D

[@ShastaBean]

I was going to ask if you have tried their 10mm at all, and it occurred to me that I don't recall seeing any 10mm tests from you. Did a search and you have vids from 6+ years ago. Did you abandon that cartridge?

[@BuffRANGE]

I borrowed guns from people to do that testing, and I didn't feel right constantly asking them to borrow them. I want to try to get an FK BRNO so I can swap calibers on it.

[@ShastaBean]

@@BuffRANGE biggest surprise of 2024, so far, you not already having a 10mm. 2nd is there being no findable gel tests of Underwood 200 gr XTP, other than tntoutdoor from ~11 years ago. You could have those both solved by next weekend. Was just learning of it last week...The 7.5 tests could prove very interesting! It's a beast!!

[@justmeiswear]

Fantastic and interesting results. I expected less out of what looks like something a little gimmicky.

[@karlhans6678]

does the EHP make a bigger wound than the HP?

[@BuffRANGE]

That's what's being debated a lot.

[@jansobieski2755]

i noticed that a video (I think by this channel) weighed the entire round (Sellier & Bellot) 9mm 115 or 124 grain and it had 5.4 grains of powder and these had a 1-1.1 grain(s) more. That's a big difference. I have some ZST 115 grain FMJ coming. Maybe I could donate some to see how they stack up in general. I now know why S&B ammo-especially their 10mm is so mediocre.

[@BuffRANGE]

Typically with the lighter rounds you'll be able to use more powder to push it without developing too much pressure, vs a heavier round that can't use as much. ZST? Do you have a link to this brand? I'm not sure I've heard of it.

[@Icecream-edible]

Pretty good ammo

[@markcrawford996]

Good content - prepared well -

[@preacherbiggin]

Makes me wonder what the 350 legend loaded with thr lighter projectiles from a pcc would do to armor? Great channel. Keep up the great work sir!

[@briankeithwood]

I think they make this in 10mm. Any plans to test that?

[@ShastaBean]

2 yrs later - wondering the same thing. Can't find any gel tests of their 10mm at all.

[@liljohnp132]

Any 9x19 over 2000 fps?

[@BuffRANGE]

Typically you'll need a 50gr load to do that, but it can be done. Liberty Civil Defense is 2600 fps from a 16"!

[@liljohnp132]

@@BuffRANGE Thanks for the reply. Cheers.

[@Hammerback0]

I dont think id call it an external hollow point. I think "completely opposite of hollow point" is more accurate

[@louv4437]

I tested these in 45 and 40 through bone and glass and the tissue damage is some is nastiest I have seen

[@donrichter3523]

So is there any empirical data on the performance of these types of bullets?

[@BuffRANGE]

As in officer involved shootings/self defense/personal protection, I'm not aware of any publicly documented at this time. I'm sure someone has taken pig/hogs with them, but that's about the extent. I was told one agency switched to them after a poor performance of a JHP against drywall, but now we'll have to wait to see how these perform.

[@robertseafield5810]

Great video.

[@dwaynewalker986]

I'm thinking about carrying this load in my G26. I have fixed factory night sights shooting 115/124s pretty much spot on. Because lighter projectiles @ higher velocity exit the recoil cycle sooner, they tend to print lower . Do you have any information you would care to share concerning where these 80 grainers are printing in relation to 115/124s ? Thanks for another great video.

[@BuffRANGE]

If I get a chance to take them out I'll throw some 115/124 and these from the G19 and see if POI changes :D

[@chrisgodfrey2846]

Can’t wait for that Arex Delta review 👌👌👌

[@mikethomas4628]

I run this in my g43x and my Aero precision AR15 I live close to where they make it at.

[@highspeed9518]

Most underrated gun tube channel by far, and at this point in bullet technology 3a soft armor is obsolete unless it has ultra high density polyethylene,i would LOVE to see liberty civil defence tested,imo its by far the best round on the market,i mean you are getting rifle power out of a handgun

[@BuffRANGE]

I've tested the Liberty bullet in the past :D it gets some insane speeds from 16" 9mm PCC's :D

[@TerminalM193]

The liberty civil defense is almost the definition of gimmick defensive round. It's been proven time and time again and velocity and ft ibs of force truly means nothing unless a minimum velocity of 2200fps is met. The fact that liberty is using the selling point of ft ibs is a massive red flag in itself too. Make sure to check out the most recent unclassified ballistic reports. They talk about the myth of ft ibs and scientifically and physically dispel it as a true myth. It's an amazing read.

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

I'll stick to something that expands.

[@johnfeliciano585]

Unless you face an attacker wearing body armour

[@antonelloromeo2118]

Good video my friend good video 👍

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you 👍

[@Enjoyer.762]

Not bad.

[@paulscountry456]

Those look great.

[@bigmike9128]

Need to make it in .380acp

[@JohnLloydScharf]

It already underperforms. 12-18 inches in FBI pig gel at 39 degrees covered by heavy clothing is equal to 15-21 inches in clear ballistic, at best.

[@MGMan37]

Looks similar to Underwood Extreme Defender which has no trouble with penetration in 380

[@MrShtbrick]

I'll trust your science.

[@BuffRANGE]

I would honestly treat "my science" as another data point for looking at them. I believe more data is needed on these bullet types in actual use.

[@arkjones]

All we need to know is what barrel length you are testing out of not all of the tec suff that you are telling about the red dot crap

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry. People ask from time to time so I figured it was easier that way.

[@nelsonr1467]

Hey man. Who makes the hottest M193 right now?

[@BuffRANGE]

Right now probably IMI or LC\AMerican Eagle black Box loaded by winchester

[@brudamiranda3314]

good power🤘

[@chuckfinley3152]

External derpopoints

[@BuffRANGE]

Rotational Space Magic though?

[@chuckfinley3152]

It's weird but it works, they had to name it something, I would have named it bully mcboolit face

[@mattfleming86]

It's a neat concept. Somewhere between a lehigh and some styles of the THV concept. I'm still not gonna drop my gold dots lol.

[@chuckfinley3152]

Same

[@alexduke5402]

He says zoomies too lol

[@truthseeker3248]

The only worthy caliber is their 9mm EHP. The civilian 40, 45 acp, and 10mm EHP are all watered down and under performers per the testing I saw via viper weapons systems. Very very disappointing to say the least. The 9mm should not be beating all those other calibers, especially in PWC! Now, their other caliber technology may be better for military/LE (just a guess), but their civilian rounds gotta catch up to what those calibers are meant for as they are giving us milked down versions of something that can be a whole lot better. The fact they are even selling 40, 45 acp and 10mm knowing full well the 9mm is better is a slap in the face and an insult to my intelligence!!

[@TerminalM193]

External hollowpoint? So not a bootyhole shaped hollowpoint but a uncircumcised peen shape that makes it "external"? Holosun ftw btw.... Their multi-picture optic helps counter my astigmatism better than any other pistol optic.

[@harleybutler389]

ill just dremel off the end of my duralast flathead, get the powder out of some black cat fireworks and put them in a bent casing i found on the ground at the range yesterday. there is the new boolit comparable to the one featured in this video.

[@44hawk28]

I do have a question for you however. Your range rules indicate that any firearm not being currently pointed down range should be on safe. Do you not allow Glocks and guns that are copies of Glocks to be on your range. I only asked this because I've been teaching shooting since about 1970. And I fired blocks, I do not like their triggers, and I do not like the idea that if somebody wrestles your gun away from you they don't at least have to take the safety off to kill you with it. There are no safeties on a Glock. None whatsoever. That little plastic lever on the trigger is utterly useless

[@BuffRANGE]

That is just a generic sign as a reminder to follow all the standard firearm handling rules. All guns are allowed where I shoot :D

[@kfeltenberger]

They look like a bargain basement version of the Lehigh Defense design. The gel results are pretty inferior compared to what I've seen from the Lehigh product. I think I'll pass on these and stick with what I know works for me.

[@TimothyMerlino-p7u]

There's so many rounds in these blocks.. Honestly there is no useful information here. Maybe try a fresh block cuz I really would like to see these rounds compared? I was hoping to learn something here