A 30-Year Seasoned Trader’s HONEST Confession

[@ZietInvests]

Hey guys, just wanted to chip in a little clarification to avoid any misunderstanding: 1. This video is not paid/sponsored by anyone, and there is zero exchange of monetary & non-monetary benefits. Kathlyn and I first connected back in May this year when we attended moomoo's nasdaq event in new york, and I wanted to dig deeper into a niche (trading) and learn more about it for the sake of expanding my horizon in the stock market (which I myself am very skeptical of as most of you seasoned followers can tell), to which she kindly agreed to do (for free), and I'm very grateful for that - hence the making of this video. 2. This interview is by no means an endorsement of any party's product or courses, and I have zero reasons to do so. I have my own set of beliefs as to how one approaches their wealth growing journey, sometimes it means not going for paid courses at all (I still stand by this) - but this might not apply to everyone, some would still be able to benefit from a little guidance. I have not attended her class before so I will consider myself not fit to provide any fair review/opinion on this, so I will leave that to your own judgment. 3. There are certain disagreements on how we approach the stock market (as mentioned in the video) - like how DCA is applicable in different context, but that's what I'm excited about, learning different POVs on a common topic, even if that means I still don't agree with them! (Let’s be open minded when it comes to knowledge, listen, but judge it for yourself based on what you’ve learnt as well) 4. Could I have done a better job at framing the questions, setting the right precedence, etc.? Oh definitely. It's a learning process for myself as well and I won't shy away from experimenting with guests of different backgrounds - all in the spirit of learning and uncovering different POVs of any given subject. Rest assured I'm taking the feedback with an open mind (even the negative ones!) - will do a better job and have even better interviews in the very near future!

[@daxschannel]

When the daytrader meets the long-term value investor. How the same term, DCA, can be interpreted in completely opposite ways. Nothing is right or wrong - just different beliefs. Just be persistent and consistent. Believe in what you believe. Ziet, I love this kind of opened minded and sparkling content. Ignore the noises.

[@NickGhale]

Often there is a right or wrong answer. Time in the market > timing

[@shutengloke5907]

As a trader, I agree 100% with Kathlyn. Trading is NOT about strategy - there are so many strategies on KZbin alone. As such, strategy is NOT the problem. The problem is mindset and risk/money management. From my own experience, a 10-year old can trade better than most adults because a 10-year old can follow rules unlike an adult.

[@leistking12]

I always saw her ads and thought it quite annoying, but as a professional trader her points and view of stock almost same as me, quite impressive, shocked me really, for those who want to learn stock can learn from this guru, better than a lot gurus out there

[@andreandree4384]

well her points are just common sense in trading and most good investment influencers will say the same thing lol. 😊

[@shuyanliew8415]

I always skip her ads, didn't know she was actually legit enough to be in Ziet's video. Thanks for sharing

[@LIWHYEJANE]

Yes legit, she & her team very insightful & they shared “safer” way to invest. The only problem is that their course very expensive compared to others.

[@Seramics]

She is legit scam course seller. You can get much better stuff for free online. Don't be her pigs.

[@derwelten]

Wow, dua dua ni my silent sifu, akhirnya podcast bersama. Terbaik Ziet!

[@ZietInvests]

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[@sngs9565]

Nice..Ziet...Happy that you are doing this interview...it is a Validation for those that wants to invest. Thank you.

[@kawkaw4053]

The best video I've ever seen in trading insight. Thanks Ziet please keep up the good work.❤

[@leebruce2657]

I thought for sure the first few seconds were ads and I kept my mouse ready for skip lmaoo

[@farifurido]

lmao me too, i thought it's was ads too 🤣

[@jaysonlim5193]

Fully agree with both these 2 gurus that stop/cut loss is crucial for any trade. It is the most defensive weapon that any traders must set when a trade is keyed in. Being a kia-su, I always set my stop/cut loss 5 to 6% below the entry price. My last 4 trades, I lost 3 trades and win 1 trade with a profit of 30% which cover the 3 stop/cut losses.

[@waitienchan6410]

Many thanks. Great takeaways. I became a successful stock index futures trader, after I attended The Landmark Forum, followed by their more advance seminars. It is an amazing personal development programme. Highly recommended. It sorted out many of my psychological issues, that I struggled with. One was “giving up being right”. The need for us to be right, sabotages our trading. The many seminars transformed me. I like who I am now. God bless all with love, joy, peace, healthiness, wisdom and prosperity. Regards.

[@MaggieKoh-ld8hy]

Thanks Kathlyn, I loved all your podcasts. I follow up as much as i can. ❤

[@propertystories]

Woah! This is a very interesting guest, Kathlyn Toh.

[@syarizma3976]

Lot of gems here for free. She knows what she talk about in depth. Really appreciate this, Subbed👍

[@huplim]

This is one worth listening to.. thanks Ziet!

[@sevsadventures]

Wow so many valuable insights I learn from this video. 😊

[@kitsonang7943]

is kathlyn toh able to show her brokerage statements over the years to show that she is profitable?

[@ZietInvests]

Not that I’ve seen it myself, but I believe she mentioned she does show her class during their sessions

[@beyondinsights]

That's one of the most frequently asked questions, "seeing is believing" right :) If you join one of Kathlyn seminars, YES.

[@Seramics]

Many reviews has said her courses is bull stuff. She better prove herself first.

[@alphaTrader.oo1]

​@@Seramics confirm bs

[@edmundteo2467]

Kathlyn would be the only Malaysian guru I would listen to. Extremely experienced and transparent with her teaching, has good system and steps. Good eye-opener for the community

[@B-Man-69]

Hey, guess what. Her ad popped up before the video starts 😂

[@jaysonlim5193]

Formal education will make you a living, but self-education will make you a fortune. LUCK is when you put thousands of hours into research and refining your method unknowingly, you create your own realistic luck.

[@ryuzaki6614]

kathyln is such a gem, thanks for making such a great course!!!!

[@Otot_B]

Thanks for the great interview!

[@keanheetan5887]

This is indeed a very great session with the experts! Thanks.

[@authenticwj7515]

I love this interview. I also teach others how to trade.

[@raymondsoong5327]

trading is simple and easy money, keep it simple, and don't complicate it. No matter how, you will have to pay to the market to teach you lesson, before starting to make money. You don't need courses, unless you are completely new - I think more beneficial is having a trading community and group to keep your ideas spark, because when you discuss, you would understand yourself in a pragmatic terms and reconcile the research you have done with others traders and get their point of views, then starts your trading plan base on the sentiment. Personally, in principle, what guest speaker mentioned are no doubt important, and base on these principle, should enough for you to know what are important essence for trading, and start digging information and form your own trading model. if you are not able to do that, generally, you are not suitable for trading, the reason is because, you need to be entrepreneur enough to take decision base whatever information available for you to do the trade and also adjusting of yourself. This is important is because the market is keep changing, and you need to find your ways to make things happened. Good Luck to all would like to be traders! =)

[@shauqie1957]

Insightful! I suggest if you can look for win rate, in trading stats, you can also track the win rate of the students who are successful.

[@low3327]

ziet also don't believe her.... can see from his face expression lol this is the worst guru you can find in the ads. hahaha no result what so ever. Comparing forex trading with stocks market. bruh

[@ZietInvests]

I’m just keeping an open mind when it comes to learning in the market - no one is absolutely right or wrong as its a dynamic market, let alone different asset classes (that i may not be trading🤭)

[@glennhoddle10]

I swear every time I open KZbin , her bloody face stares back at me, trying to sell me some shitty course which any clown can copy from the thousands of trading books out there.. Sorry to be harsh, but she's clearly a FURU.

[@Chryeon]

ziet has his biggest skeptical so far in this one video after this talks im sure Ziet gonna sign up for her class

[@ChyeHeng17]

Nahhh....Bet you don't really know or understand much about Stock Market lol....She's deinitely legit, though I did not buy her course. Well, you don't have to.

[@low3327]

@@ChyeHeng17 i just made 100k last month on stock market. Is this how a person who don't know stock market would perform?

[@CodeCrafted1008]

Ah another "guru". This one always appear in ads, wonder how much she spends on it.

[@glennhoddle10]

I swear every time I open KZbin , her bloody face stares back at me, trying to sell me some shitty course which any clown can copy from the thousands of trading books out there.. Sorry to be harsh, but she's clearly a FURU.

[@ZietInvests]

This interview is not paid ah dont drag me down that path 😂

[@mming_my]

Zeit is also a guru lol

[@LIWHYEJANE]

I was her student, she said aro 1M++ on ad.. so her courses quite expensive. But i would recommend to new investor/traders.. their course very suitable for someone with 0 knowledge. I paid 5digit for her course, but i gain back that amount d… so i think is worth. She & her team really got knowledge & experience.

[@AshHayBrax]

I believe there's always something to learn. Don't let fake gurus drag down mentors who are really trying to teach. Psychology is the hardest part in trading. She sounds genuine enough. I am not saying buy into her courses. But atleast sit down and listen awhile. Judge later.

[@lli99]

Those who consider joining her courses or joining other trading /investment course should see this video first. This video will show you whether you are suitable to join trading/investment course or not. Her trading courses are quite expensive though, better make sure the money you paid is worth it.

[@colombard140]

❤❤❤❤You must remember that in shares investment, only 2 points are important...the point of entry and the point of exit. If you buy a share at $2 and it falls to $1, it doesn't mean that you have lost 50%, but if you wait till the price gets to $4, you have doubled your money. What happens before, between and after is absolutely irrelevant. And the best time to buy is when everybody is crying especially when everybody is crying until there's no tears i.e. a major depression. And the best time to sell is when everybody is laughing and boasting how much they have made. If you buy during a great depression, sell only when you have made at least double your cost. I usually go for good quality penny stocks during a great depression as to go from say 10 cents to 1 dollar is very easy and that is a 10X profit, but if you go for a $10 stock and for it to go to $20 to just double your money is very difficult. So patience and greed after buying in a great depression is the key to success 😂

[@leistking12]

You may right some time but stock can go down and even down and stop there, you just haven experience it, because we don’t have orbuculum to predict future, no bottom is the most bottom

[@shutengloke5907]

@colombard140, I have to disagree with you regarding the 2 important points because that's poor risk/money management. Imagine you bought TopGlove, are you still going to hold them? As for buying during depression, it is easier said than done. Tell me, how much did you make in the recent COVID-19 meltdown?

[@ChyeHeng17]

lol...Just before it happens to you, Penny Stock can go to 0.0...Beyond the 1 cent even, to your surprise. Good luck with holding penny stocks. High Quality is the key, whether it's penny stock or the mega cap stocks.

[@colombard140]

​​@@ChyeHeng17.. That's why I emphasized high quality penny stocks which can become penny stocks only during a big depression. Penny stocks during normal times are stocks of companies that are about to go bankrupt. Only during a great depression that you can find good quality penny stocks.😂

[@leistking12]

@@colombard140 no such thing as good penny stocks😂 only big player and little chives that will be whacked，anyway good luck with your money XD

[@catchdhanish]

Instead of a trading bootcamp/course, is there something similar for those who want to get into investing/passive investing? KZbin videos, books can take us a long way but anything that can teach us the mindset

[@max88Phoenix]

Investing or Trading is Simple, but not Easy. Patience + Discipline

[@RaphJonathanTan]

44:46 very insightful indeed, pun intended😂#beyondinsights

[@Rose-p4p9o]

All strategies sound good in theory.

[@danielsoosay1772]

Develop your own process and periodically adjust your rule. If you can spend 2 years to self learn you can be successful. Most go for few classes and want to get rich fast….then lose it all. The facts selling courses makes more money than trading. One of the thing she missed out is data on fund flow. Going out and realizing your losses could be a dumb move if there is market manipulation even during Makro volatility. Just as hint for us in Malaysia, fund flow report are released weekly. This also should serve an indicator. If have time learn from Smart Money like EPF / Khazanah and do some reverse engineering to understand why they hold n buy or sell the stock they own. This will be a good base before taking higher risk.

[@rsingh.1]

@ZietInvests what does she mean here @13:30 ...can you please show/demo what she is describing in your next video?

[@ZietInvests]

From what I understand (i could be wrong), it’s somewhat similar to a trailing stop loss, where if the market trend works in your favour (like uptrend), you’d increase your exposure (risk) to capitalise on the gains (reward), but still having that downside covered by a stop loss (moved up) incase the trend breaks. It’s a trading strategy but not something I do myself😁 Good read about trailing stop loss: www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/08/trailing-stop-loss.asp

[@boarulez88]

No No to buy the DIP, but yes yes for me

[@hiproton4260]

So many saying seen her ads, i havent see any. Ah Crap.... I think her ads are gonna show up on my feed from now onwards ..

[@alee9286]

Conclusion: Giving money making education is the most profitable business..risk free n 100% win rate..no need to analyse until paralyzed..so equip yourselves with specific knowledge, do marketing, give course and earn some fees.

[@yangyang91k]

started off decently with a systematic approach but fizzle out with fluff

[@SaadonAksah]

Nice 👍

[@chenjl562]

U haven't talk about investing in REITS, depending on interest rate movement. Ease or tighten, central bank now.

[@pepsi89]

rolled up sweater's sleeves to flex a Rolex, i find it overkill haha

[@liminfer8380]

so this is the lady who keeps appearing in my ads

[@kclim5358]

Is this episode sponsored?

[@ZietInvests]

Nope! If it was then I wouldn’t need to put IBKR link already😭

[@MicroBananas]

@@ZietInvests eat from every side ziet

[@sergenalishiwa9097]

DCA down is still good. Day traders are way too careful,in the long term the market will always go up. As long as its long term and not on margin buy when falling.

[@ZietInvests]

💯

[@beyondinsights]

@@ZietInvests the point was that ... if you are invested in a stock, you must know the reason it is going down. "In the long term the market will always go up" - this statement, while it is true for the entire market in general, it cannot be applied to a stock. For example, if you invested in BlackBerry, there will be no reason for you to DCA down after 2010, when BlackBerry lost the market to Apple iPhone, with no new innovation insight. If you context is about investing in stock market index or ETF - that's a different story. So the viewpoint about DCA is with the above context.

[@leistking12]

You never know which dip is the bottom, stock will always go deeper and never come back, your money just sit inside like a jail, if you never experience real bear market you won’t say that

[@andreandree4384]

​@@leistking12not really. Experienced traders will pair with selling call or bearish spreads and thus earn premiums if the stock goes down. The longer the stock remains down, the better for the premiums😅. Traders can also buy puts to profit from the fall. But of course all of these is possible in the US market with the use of derivatives and if you are in Malaysia, well you are cooked😂

[@leistking12]

@@andreandree4384 yes correct i know, what she mean is follow trend, me personally also will put those very bad stock that keeps going down, because we follow trend trading

[@anguslaing6611]

People who know what they are doing in the markets, don't need to train people

[@NicholasKJable]

Disagree with what she said..trading is not 90% psychology. For me it is 100%

[@mming_my]

When interview me bro? At least i beat the market and can show portfolio number.

[@low3327]

@@mming_my maybe I'll join with you. Hahahaha But my english very bad. I need to use my pasar english in the show

[@Chryeon]

finally you drag the trader ads queen herself haha nice...from the way that she talks here , i can say she's the fundamental trader aka swing traders...not the intraday or momentum trader

[@NinjaKLSE]

If your mindset is waste money on expensive courses to get rich then you wont make it in markets. Learn yourself everything is FREE on net nowadays ... use the money towards making yourself self made millionaires. If you don't even have the discipline to learn yourself and expect others to make you rich ... 100% wont make it. The easiest simplest way to becoming a millionaire is don't waste money on unnecessary nonsense like expensive car, clothes, food ... keep to whack on market crash and get out when overheat ... when you made enough money to live on dividends and bank/EPF interest then go do whateva you like. Anyone who knows how to optimize time and money proper actually can easily be a millionaire ... it's not really that hard just like getting straight A's in SPM.

[@MicroBananas]

i like this

[@louisliaw8386]

cant believe ziet a legit finance youtuber decides to give this "trading guru" (teaches people to speculate and do high volume trading) a platform. shame shame.

[@beyondinsights]

We don't recommend high volume trading to everyone - trading, as Ziet pointed out, is not for everyone. However - there are people who can succeed in it. Trading is an old and established profession itself - and like any other profession, it requires training, mentorship and hard work to achieve mastery. We have programs for long term investing, mid term trading and short term trading - and people have the decide what is suitable for them.

[@michaelgohmox]

So old d so kan cheong and talk so fast

[@andreandree4384]

Ho does she know how to trade other than sim? 😊 Come on..

[@yvonnedingDing]

Yes she's excellent trader. Trades for a living. Her school dont really make money but she loves to teach.

[@andreandree4384]

@yvonnedingDing her school don't make her money, that I am not sure 😄.. I know friends who paid like thousands of USD to attend the classes and there are plenty of students in those sessions; it's definitely a profitable and lucrative business more than trading itself. And successful traders don't need to go into trading classes; I won't give names as I am pretty sure you know them if you are in the trading space. 😊

[@user-gw9yx2wx5g]

At the casino I win win

[@AK-xk6ch]

Sure winner are the trainers and brokers. Don't forget youtubers too 😂

[@melonote-ai]

this is the super annoying auntie who keeps interrupting me watching youtube 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@Seramics]

Exactly

[@davethemonkey]

Years of experience dont amount to much..trust me.. 😂😊

[@Seramics]

See what kind of experience. Fraud experience or otherwise.

[@michaelgohmox]

She talks to fast

[@JerylClement]

Too much yapping, she don't even know what she's talking about. Her ads is so annoying, try very hard to sell her course. Ain't no successful investor/trader are doing those kind of things 🤮

[@Seramics]

This is low quality content. She is known to be scam course seller. Where's the prove to be expert trader? She lied a lot and spam a lot in ads too. Will consider unsub to your channel if keep using these scammer to your channel. Improve the quality please. She don't even know what she's talking about.

[@yvonnedingDing]

Are you the scammer? She's a legit trading guru. My portfolio multiplied 3× because of her.

[@May-cz2uo]

So best advice is still if you have skillsets to generate money through toil and sweats from hard work, continue to do so; instead of retiring and try to make money from the stock market as it will take you to "hollan" one fine day.

[@ZietInvests]

Nothing beats that for sure, slow but a sure way to generate wealth

[@emedlearning9035]

@@ZietInvests steady wealth building strategy still the way to go

[@alphaTrader.oo1]

Challenge those so called guru to show P&L or just another ⚠️SCAMMER⚠️ If really good in trading literally unlimited money in the market why still need to sell pathetic courses and begging ppl to join just to make a few k? You see Buffet/Dalio/Lynch do those monkey show?

[@Seramics]

Yup

[@Seramics]

Scam course seller

[@pastiche262]

finally someone with a brain

[@yvonnedingDing]

Thank goodness for people like Kathlyn so that regular people can learn how to invest and trade.