A Battle Between Two Advance Wars VETERANS!

[@anthonyharrison9605]

A trend I notice in a lot of these commentaries between very skilled players is that one often gets very favorable timings on their powers, which typically snowballs and has a decisive effect on the outcome. Jokas spent a Sideslip, which fed Eye's Trail of Woe, which Eye was able to pop to devastating effect while Jokas was not getting charge from the counterattack. Power timing and charge management seems to be an underdiscussed aspect of high-level play. Excellent replay and commentary!

[@DrOmegaBattleSphere]

Was thinking exactly thing while Bangs was discussing Adder's 'advantage' in getting his power earlier, he charged Koal to his super which he got to deploy while giving away no charge!

[@anonyme4881]

Also when mangs says that Adder is better than Coal I dont think he factored high founds, where power meter charge twice as fast. So Adder couldnt abuse his cheap power more than Coal, who still had his firepower advantage

[@minnick66]

The thing I usually notice is that the high level players tend to be VERY good at defensive placement in the early game that first strike advantage tends to frequently back fire and snowball against them. Whomever strikes first is striking into very strong defensive positioning and breaking up their own defensive placement in the process of pursuit and, as you mentioned, feeding power meter to the opponent. You have to be very certain that the opponent cannot bounce back from your first strike if you decide to go in. Jokas miscalculated the power of his first strike and it just kind of snowballed from there.

[@Mangs1337]

@@anonyme4881 I literally said that Adder is better than Koal in STD, but that I think Koal is equal or maybe even better in HF.

[@rompevuevitos222]

Well, that just means that the Adder just didn't do enough with his power. If you get the privilege of attacking first you should always use it to it's fullest Because in this game, taking damage charges the meter REALLY fast

[@maxxsaigen5301]

The reason he built another transport at 21:00 was to protect his bomber+stop himself from getting airport locked from the antiair

[@marcoasturias8520]

Best of all, that's the transport that locks the base!

[@maxxsaigen5301]

@@marcoasturias8520 I didn't even notice that! That transport copter put in a lot of work then

[@HanakkoLove]

Oh no, when a Jagen and an "I'M OLD" unit meet up...

[@TheAleatoriorandom]

"THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!"

[@art-games6230]

112? We have a bit of a problem here

[@lagg1e]

@@art-games6230 call an ambulance, call an ambulance! But not for me.

[@thelastrebel13]

😂

[@paleintrovert6495]

If y'all were wondering what Jokas's signature said, it's in French and reads : "In life, I never lose, I either win, or I learn."

[@zekenotech]

A cool thing to note is that Koal actually has slightly better Air units than Adder. Koal gets his road boost without penalty because Air Units don't get terrain stars in the first place, and since Air Units already have excellent mobility, pair that with Trail of Woe and you can actively go for engagements overs Roads and get that slight damage boost without worrying about being stuck on a 0 Terrain Star area.

[@Kalancodragon]

It's interesting, and I think something a lot of players don't think about, which COs have technical unit type advantages/maluses due to how their powers interact. Koal can have some downright nasty bombers due to this, or more cleanly win a helicopter or fighter duel thanks to his roads bonus.

[@aereonexapprentice7205]

I don't think it matters that much in general, let alone this map, because positioning benefits air units alot more than firepower bonus. Bombers and fighters doesn't need it, transport can't use it, if a battlecopter can have the choice to either strike on a non-road tile or a road tile, that will be niche of a niche advantage, and if copters can utilize road bonus more often, it will be rather obvious from looking at the map rather than people having to debate over it. And it definitely matters a sliver or maybe even none in this matchup.

[@jashloseher578]

Could use a "this highway enforced by helicopter" joke picture, with Koal visible through the canopy.

[@zekenotech]

@@aereonexapprentice7205 Trail of Woe road Bombers can 1shot Tanks and anything below them on cities, and in most maps Roads are adjacent to cities, making it a common occurrence. With a single com-tower, those same bombers can now 1 Shot Anti-Airs and Medium Tanks on cities from roads. If you can't see the value of that, no matter how """niche"""" it is, then I can't help you.

[@a-s-greig]

In the US, the interstate highway system is built with straight stretches to serve as emergency runways in the case of plane troubles. So, Koal's Planes doing better over Roads... kinda works?

[@electricindigoball1244]

Great choice of background music. Heroes of Might & Magic III OST is so good. In hindsight it's weird you haven't used it sooner (though maybe I forgot/missed it).

[@maudlife]

Every-time Mangs said 'eye' I kept forgetting that he wasn't casting his own game and saying I.

[@audiosurfarchive]

Best match in a long time. And same critique I gave Deejus: if you can, take notes from Sports commentary, and try to describe the map for non-visual consumption. If there's strong side/weak side, always mention movements relative to that. Describe the dimensions of the map. Use cardinal directions to describe movement, pressure, positioning, etc. Very glad AW is getting so much viewers, its a fantastic IP.

[@art-games6230]

I really think that they should have more missile silos on maps, maybe not easily accessible, but definitely on an island or something

[@blahmaster6k]

Hi, Dangs. Great content as always, love the commentary.

[@blahmaster6k]

This honestly looks like an amazing map for rockets, I'm kind of surprised not to see any of them going into the midgame. You can sit one on the shoal next to the base behind the pipe and it covers the com tower and two cities, while being impossible to get to except by air units, but it's also covered by the carrier. But maybe it slows down the tempo too much to buy one.

[@Dru_Stephan]

I'm not sure. With the prevalence of air units on this map, I think it might be too volatile for an investment like that.

[@Mangs1337]

Way too open and too infested with b-copters & bombers to build anything more than some early-game artillery.

[@lpsp442]

A LOT of plains for a tyred vehicle to endure

[@blahmaster6k]

@@Dru_Stephan I do agree that in general the map is too open for rockets and that they are easily killed. However, I still think that putting one behind the pipe should be pretty easy to defend in the early game until a whole bunch of air units arrive to break through. That spot is several turns away from an airport so it may take a while for an answer to show up, and it's pretty well protected as far as early aggression is concerned. There's only one tile to attack it from and it's surrounded by sea so unless there's a bomber to break the tile it should be able to survive less concentrated attacks. Of course, if the base is getting overwhelmed it doesn't matter if it's a rocket or another unit. It wouldn't be good in the long term, but it might be enough to delay a com tower cap for several turns as well as the other two cities in range. Depends on whether it delays enough income to pay for itself over an artillery, I don't know. I could be completely wrong.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

​@@Mangs1337 yes, but consider this: a rocket followed up by a missile.

[@Paulunatr]

One thing I've noticed about high funds (and playing as Colin in regular) is that you have to treat infantry like they're a lot more valuable because you can pretty much always afford better units. Anytime you have to replace an infantry that gets shot up, that's a tank, anti-air, or whatever that you won't have. Kind of weird, but seems to be how it works.

[@Amalvipls]

For me this match was the definitive proof that income advantage doesn't matter at all reached a certain high amount of funds The difference between 7000 and 9000 income is huge, but here we can see that the difference between 50000 and 70000 didn't amount to anything. Jokas consistently had a huge income advantage and it didn't help him much even as he spammed easily counterable air units

[@marcoasturias8520]

Yeah, it's because of unit cost. With that much money you'll end up needing more bases to expend that.

[@StealthySparky]

Yep. Because when income is not the limiting factor, it's the number of bases. I the end you need bases to create units and there is only a set number of bases on each map.

[@returntocommander1398]

I'm only 1 min into the video, but I approve the HOMM3 ost in the background ⚔🛡

[@Capris9x]

Mangs always has good music for his games. First Jazz Jackrabbit 2 then Heroes of Might and Magic 3. Classics.

[@darkwatershadow]

I thought I'd accidentally opened HoMM3 without realizing it. Really caught me off guard

[@leventeszilagyi6658]

The Heroes 3 music in the background is very BASED

[@baldbro3693]

Dangs is back!

[@arcturus64]

Dangs uses HOMM III's main menu music in the intro. If this doesn't make him a man of culture then I don't know what will.

[@TheCasualSubculturist]

This aint GRIMM GUY

[@Mangs1337]

Forgive me!

[@HippieInHeart]

Honestly, that's one thing I like about low-level matches with inexperienced people. Like, in high-level matches such as this one, it's often just one person gaining the upper hand and then absolutely crushing his opponent. In low-level fights there more room for suprises, like, a player could have a massive advantage but then might make a small mistake that allows the other to come back and take over.

[@ER-je3fd]

Dangs Bangs Mangs. Also request for Mangs to do a Rakfisk mukbang, it'd be funny to see Chat grossed out by it.

[@anonyme4881]

I dont think Adder is better than Coal in high founds, because here power meter charge twice as fast. So Adder couldnt abuse his cheap power more than Coal, who still had his firepower advantage. In fact Coal could spam his super in this game

[@JokinAround]

When this game was played Jokas was dealing with another 4 tournament matches, one vs me included. I was discussing it a bit with him and they were too many games for him to manage at once, it's a shame.

[@Hajimaruto]

Oh shit, you are the Tyranitar

[@JokinAround]

@@Hajimaruto I didn't know that my discord PFP was famous 😂

[@Hajimaruto]

@@JokinAround you are in the Legendary tier popularity wise.

[@wassimdarwich5918]

I'm so dumb man, i thought you were the one playing because i kept hearing "i did" "let's see if i"...... the player is called eye

[@magicalcapi9148]

I think Jokas moved the BOMBER into the anti-air range because at that point, better a 2HP BOMBER there rather than anything. Also, it "distracted" from the cap going on nearby. Of course, at that point the capping didn't really matter, but sometimes we need to make a gamble to have things going Great match!

[@daserfomalhaut9809]

That Might and Magic III combat theme is so beautiful. Never heard that before.

[@Badbufon]

but is so distracting lol, my brain can't follow the video while thinking about M&M III

[@destiny_draw9285]

Was the music from heroes of might and magic at the beginning? Damn thats a blast from the past. Loving it mangs!

[@zacbounce3805]

Too be honest never heard the "Bomb Bers" when you said and now I can't unhear it.

[@antke1472]

Didn't watch the match but have a like for the homm3 music

[@skelehedron3070]

I'm confused as to why neither player picked Jake. Most of the fighting on the map is on plains tiles, and his movement boost with block rock is incredibly powerful, so it just seems weird to me that neither player picked him as a CO.

[@blahmaster6k]

Especially with how good indirects are on this map.

[@misbegottenchampion8255]

I'm not sure on the rules. Do you know if they are allowed to pick CO's during tournaments? I assumed it was character locked. But I guess if it was everyone would be using the "broken" CO's 🤔

[@aereonexapprentice7205]

Ye i assume either it was particularly banned on this map like how Adder is banned on some, or Jake isn't picked because of some big brain reasoning

[@theblackantonio]

Most likely decided beforehand it would be Adder vs Koal, because neither player wanted the game to be decided purely on CO choice rather than skill.

[@Majster4K]

13:28 I actually love the way you speak. Hearing "tankś" or "importanch" makes me smile a bit

[@HippieInHeart]

omg, you're using words to talk about Advance Wars, deejus does the exact same thing, why are you trying so hard to copy him?? XD

[@ingemar]

people complaining Mangs is too much like deejus. I dont see deejus feeding a cruiser 5 air units in one video and then miss clicking the UI in the following video. stay true to you mangs love the AWBW replays o7

[@WavemasterAshi]

...during the intro, I was confused because I was *SURE* I didn't have my HMM games open. So...was that boosting thing having to do with why it sure LOOKED like infantry were walking over water? (Edit: Never mind, I see that apparently even tiles that look like 100% water are considered land if they are adjacent to a land tile)

[@FREEEEEEUD]

Since Dangs likes the naval combat of Advance Wars (and since naval units suck) and he is Norwegian... I am now calling Dangs: "The Sunk'n Norwegian" kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4WbZpagrryniJI

[@Suy..]

I think you forgot to link atrueboss link in the description

[@Mangs1337]

Thanks for reminding me!

[@TITAN_101]

People still would build transports without "Boosting" being a thing... not sure if Eagle/Sammy tag players count as people but they definitely would build them Joke aside, Transports are useful best of which being Black Boats due to them being mobile repair/APC's despite their limit to water/beach tiles, APC's in general being damn near required to survive fuel loss vs Olaf without fusing units. Plus bodyblocking with something deemed useless is both frustrating & helpful in making enemies waste units to get it outa the way.

[@panthekirb7561]

Considering how BIG heroes of might and magic 3 is in Russia and Poland I'd expect you to use music from that game if it involves Po1and or some other player from these two countries.

[@RazorsharpLT]

You know what, Mangs? I wish these matches had a "score" counter in them, so that you can "lose" but with a lower score than your enemy basically What this means is "Was this a clean win? Did he have a hard fight? Was it completely hopeless or did he have fight in him left?" basically would encourage the losing players to play until the end, maybe make some desperate counteroffensive or the enemy making some blunder which could cause him to climb back or even end in a tie. It's really sad that we don't get to see these battles happen until the end... And of course scores would give you something in return in tourneys... if there's a tie in victories - the guy with the bigger score wins, or maybe the guy with the bigger score gets to choose his commanding officer or if he wants to start second or first.

[@kanrakucheese]

Was "Eye" chosen as a name for the purpose of making commentary hard to follow? Bomber in AA range *may* have been forcing opponent to pick letting the bomber run free, or take the AA out of the fight leaving the B Copter to prevent the attack on the base. It's high funds, so throwing away a bomber for that isn't *as* bad.

[@dangerbeans9639]

I was talking about Advance Wars Reboot camp with a coworker and said 'bom-bers.' I've been watching too much Mangs.

[@ShiroToshi]

For a second I thought I accidentally booted up Heroes of Might and Magic 3 in the background when I heard the music at the start of the video. Good choice in music.

[@ossewa3939]

Actually just got jumpscared by that heroes of might and magic 3 music

[@guineboud1347]

Jokas definitely didn't play his best. Most apparent in those AA free hits on his jets. eye seemed very strong and probably would have won even if Jokas was given a lot of takebacks.

[@napalmcannon2513]

Dangs is cool, sad that there's this weird faker called Mangs imitating him

[@Hone_mor2525]

every time you mentioned "eye" I thought you were talking about yourself, lol.

[@MrEmiosk]

Agree, boosting does give transports increased value. Makes it worth building a couple every game.

[@PyrelordPazuzu]

man those guys got shalacked!

[@mr.s.i6642]

Jokas & A trueboos are the best High Funds players of all time.

[@mikepliek]

The moment i heard the heroes of might and magic 3 music, i felt like i aged 20 years

[@manuunam23]

The heroes 3 theme on the background: instant like

[@lpsp442]

If the spirit animal of Deejus is the Baboon, for Mangs it must be the Man(g)drill

[@hadoukenfighter]

that last turn was ugly as fuck, i loved every moment of it.

[@TheMistermastermario]

it’s so weird for you to say “eye” because my brain always parses it as “I”

[@NutsAndThighs]

Great match, and great shoutout to ATrueBoss. High Funds matches are always entertaining, the ability to strategically use the higher valued units really adds a lot of dynamics to the battle instead of your standard tank on tank waves.

[@ElementZephyr]

The correct way to say it is Bom-Bers, Englishpeoples.

[@luigiye6243]

Bangs, Dangs, Mangs and Wangs Missing the rest of letters of alphabet

[@Eveilnocturne]

your choices of music are fun for the moment being ... might of magic 3 ahhhh

[@sam7bam]

Very much enjoying your choice to mix in music from other series. Rise of Nations has a quite a few good tunes; check that out if you aren't already aware of.

[@etlune]

Heroes music always brings the feels. Awesome

[@mariehm86]

Jeg vidste ikke at du var nordmand, men jeg syntes ikke at dit engelske var amerikansk eller engelsklydende

[@irshkashirkle]

Actually a really good match, couldn't tell who had the advantage till the last few turns

[@voltron77]

Hi Mangs

[@Mangs1337]

Hi

[@voltron77]

@@Mangs1337 How are you?

[@Mangs1337]

@@voltron77 I'm good!

[@voltron77]

@@Mangs1337 Nice

[@arpitrohilla285]

It's alright man deejus influences us all

[@jacobcapistrano6731]

Haha I did not notice you picked up Deejus' words. Getting reminded of cardinal sins in AWBW really drills words into your mind.

[@NovaZero100]

Quick unrelated question, and I'm sure it's likely been answered elsewhere. In the player stats window, what is "Boot record"? Other than that, great commentary as ever. I'm glad I got tuned into this channel for this content. I'm not very good at AW, but I love the game and being able to watch experts be expert at things like this is always so fun, and Mangs totally counts as both player and commentator!

[@royalghost4914]

I am pretty sure it is the number of times a player has timed out in global league games

[@DrOmegaBattleSphere]

As Royal Ghost said, it's the amount of times you have been booted for timing out in global league (letting your 7 day timer count all the way down)

[@NovaZero100]

Much appreciated!

[@SuperGamefreak18]

why am I imagining bombers with Baboon butts on your channel now lmao.

[@hyperion050]

Mangs plays in Heroes! Awesome!

[@Ghan04]

Excellent commentary! There was so much going on in this game it was very hard to keep track. Just a lot of production capability so high unit counts. Also, the HoMM3 music was chef's kiss!

[@jean-francoisbahl8103]

Omg I want to play heroes 3 now 😃

[@smeaglerG]

Lol the Adder thumbnail.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

"No one would use transport units unless you can boost." Huh?

[@langleysenterprise5134]

He isnt particularly wrong

[@SaberKittyZero]

So obnoxious you open and drink on a video.

[@PICADALOL]

Gotta love these commentaries!!

[@art-games6230]

Several times during this video, I confused i and eye, did that person make that username confusing on purpose?

[@KhoaTran-md5ou]

Hero might and magic 3 :D

[@radicaldreamer46]

Nice Wesnoth music at the start of the video! I'd be curious to see Mang's opinion of Battle for Wesnoth, it had a PvP community, neki (nekismo gaming) had some decent casts of tournament games back in the day. EDIT :: I mistook HOMM 3 music for Battle for Wesnoth's. Whoops my bad.

[@fero5145]

Is that HOMM music I hear??

[@hordenmeisterAO]

The old school HOMM music!

[@ralphclark219]

Does Mangs have his own community discord?

[@ralphclark219]

Where can I find it then? I feel like I’m blind and missed it

[@tenchimuyo69]

Mang's pronunciation of Bombers does not bug me at all. Sonja is another story...

[@inaliann]

homm 3 music? Patrician choice

[@Sesshyru]

Mangs where the link for a true boss?!

[@Mangs1337]

Video description!

[@auricanmajere6236]

Hey Mangs, I was watching you since years and years past, you're like the alpha youtuber of advance wars and fire emblem, don't leave the stupid comments hurt you, I find friendly that you sometimes use Deejus words. Love you man, keep entertein us.

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

Man, Adder and Koal have Mega, Mega tank synergy. The thing that struck me was just how meaningless the differences in ecomany were. Jokas had the economic advantage for the entire match, and was even 10k ahead per turn at some points, yet when values get that big positioning is super important. A spectacular game played by both players! I love these mega games

[@tobathetura7482]

Another certified banger outa mangs productions 🐒 🐒 🙈

[@varodleus]

Music from Heroes 3 ))

[@marc-andregauthier5006]

Omg the music is fire 🔥

[@dylldj]

Didn't expect to hear some good ol' H3 OST while watching some Advanced Wars. Hell yeah.

[@aidenhopkins2022]

Where is the captions

[@mathieugiroux9346]

Adder ? More like Oldder.

[@voidab-190]

A battle between to old veterans and the intro music is also a oldschool classic game . it fits very well It's from Heroes of Might & Magic 3 (HoMM 3)

[@jujutsukaiwa4813]

Hi Mangs!!, I'm from Thailand and I watched all your awbw video. I'm used to be newbie because I never play awbw but I played other tactics game, and I learn a lot from your commentator video. So, I'm start play GL and now my rating is 1203 / 27-4, Also playing in QC cup. Thank for good video!!

[@zeroskill.]

did i just watch a full hp bomber only deal 2 damage with super activated

[@royalghost4914]

Yes. Mega tanks are sturdy

[@NekoGamiSamaa]

I like you accent, Mangs, English isn't my mother language, but I understand everything you say anyways, so don't worry about people complaining about that

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

This game was over about 5-10 mins in. The nature of TBS.

[@kazekamiha]

So weird hearing Mangs say 'And now I/eye can bring my bomber in' in a game he's now playing in.

[@JohnSmith-xv1tp]

As an American, I never understood the why certain B's are silent in words like Bomber. Feel free to pronounce it however you feel like Mangs.

[@Markm8]

bob bers

[@josephgarcia8209]

26:58 eye recognizes attacking the Infantry with his AA would put it in range of the bomber

[@SilentVinyl]

Awesome