A trend I notice in a lot of these commentaries between very skilled players is that one often gets very favorable timings on their powers, which typically snowballs and has a decisive effect on the outcome. Jokas spent a Sideslip, which fed Eye's Trail of Woe, which Eye was able to pop to devastating effect while Jokas was not getting charge from the counterattack. Power timing and charge management seems to be an underdiscussed aspect of high-level play. Excellent replay and commentary!
@DrOmegaBattleSphere Жыл бұрын
Was thinking exactly thing while Bangs was discussing Adder's 'advantage' in getting his power earlier, he charged Koal to his super which he got to deploy while giving away no charge!
@anonyme4881 Жыл бұрын
Also when mangs says that Adder is better than Coal I dont think he factored high founds, where power meter charge twice as fast. So Adder couldnt abuse his cheap power more than Coal, who still had his firepower advantage
@minnick66 Жыл бұрын
The thing I usually notice is that the high level players tend to be VERY good at defensive placement in the early game that first strike advantage tends to frequently back fire and snowball against them. Whomever strikes first is striking into very strong defensive positioning and breaking up their own defensive placement in the process of pursuit and, as you mentioned, feeding power meter to the opponent. You have to be very certain that the opponent cannot bounce back from your first strike if you decide to go in. Jokas miscalculated the power of his first strike and it just kind of snowballed from there.
@Mangs1337 Жыл бұрын
@@anonyme4881 I literally said that Adder is better than Koal in STD, but that I think Koal is equal or maybe even better in HF.
@rompevuevitos222 Жыл бұрын
Well, that just means that the Adder just didn't do enough with his power. If you get the privilege of attacking first you should always use it to it's fullest Because in this game, taking damage charges the meter REALLY fast
@maxxsaigen5301 Жыл бұрын
The reason he built another transport at 21:00 was to protect his bomber+stop himself from getting airport locked from the antiair
@marcoasturias8520 Жыл бұрын
Best of all, that's the transport that locks the base!
@maxxsaigen5301 Жыл бұрын
@@marcoasturias8520 I didn't even notice that! That transport copter put in a lot of work then
@HanakkoLove Жыл бұрын
Oh no, when a Jagen and an "I'M OLD" unit meet up...
@TheAleatoriorandom Жыл бұрын
"THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!"
@art-games6230 Жыл бұрын
112? We have a bit of a problem here
@lagg1e Жыл бұрын
@@art-games6230 call an ambulance, call an ambulance! But not for me.
@thelastrebel13 Жыл бұрын
😂
@maudlife Жыл бұрын
Every-time Mangs said 'eye' I kept forgetting that he wasn't casting his own game and saying I.
@paleintrovert6495 Жыл бұрын
If y'all were wondering what Jokas's signature said, it's in French and reads : "In life, I never lose, I either win, or I learn."
@Vodriorap27 күн бұрын
We don't
@zekenotech Жыл бұрын
A cool thing to note is that Koal actually has slightly better Air units than Adder. Koal gets his road boost without penalty because Air Units don't get terrain stars in the first place, and since Air Units already have excellent mobility, pair that with Trail of Woe and you can actively go for engagements overs Roads and get that slight damage boost without worrying about being stuck on a 0 Terrain Star area.
@Kalancodragon Жыл бұрын
It's interesting, and I think something a lot of players don't think about, which COs have technical unit type advantages/maluses due to how their powers interact. Koal can have some downright nasty bombers due to this, or more cleanly win a helicopter or fighter duel thanks to his roads bonus.
@aereonexapprentice7205 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it matters that much in general, let alone this map, because positioning benefits air units alot more than firepower bonus. Bombers and fighters doesn't need it, transport can't use it, if a battlecopter can have the choice to either strike on a non-road tile or a road tile, that will be niche of a niche advantage, and if copters can utilize road bonus more often, it will be rather obvious from looking at the map rather than people having to debate over it. And it definitely matters a sliver or maybe even none in this matchup.
@jashloseher578 Жыл бұрын
Could use a "this highway enforced by helicopter" joke picture, with Koal visible through the canopy.
@zekenotech Жыл бұрын
@@aereonexapprentice7205 Trail of Woe road Bombers can 1shot Tanks and anything below them on cities, and in most maps Roads are adjacent to cities, making it a common occurrence. With a single com-tower, those same bombers can now 1 Shot Anti-Airs and Medium Tanks on cities from roads. If you can't see the value of that, no matter how """niche"""" it is, then I can't help you.
@a-s-greig Жыл бұрын
In the US, the interstate highway system is built with straight stretches to serve as emergency runways in the case of plane troubles. So, Koal's Planes doing better over Roads... kinda works?
@audiosurfarchive Жыл бұрын
Best match in a long time. And same critique I gave Deejus: if you can, take notes from Sports commentary, and try to describe the map for non-visual consumption. If there's strong side/weak side, always mention movements relative to that. Describe the dimensions of the map. Use cardinal directions to describe movement, pressure, positioning, etc. Very glad AW is getting so much viewers, its a fantastic IP.
@electricindigoball1244 Жыл бұрын
Great choice of background music. Heroes of Might & Magic III OST is so good. In hindsight it's weird you haven't used it sooner (though maybe I forgot/missed it).
@Paulunatr Жыл бұрын
One thing I've noticed about high funds (and playing as Colin in regular) is that you have to treat infantry like they're a lot more valuable because you can pretty much always afford better units. Anytime you have to replace an infantry that gets shot up, that's a tank, anti-air, or whatever that you won't have. Kind of weird, but seems to be how it works.
@leventeszilagyi6658 Жыл бұрын
The Heroes 3 music in the background is very BASED
@blahmaster6k Жыл бұрын
This honestly looks like an amazing map for rockets, I'm kind of surprised not to see any of them going into the midgame. You can sit one on the shoal next to the base behind the pipe and it covers the com tower and two cities, while being impossible to get to except by air units, but it's also covered by the carrier. But maybe it slows down the tempo too much to buy one.
@Dru_Stephan Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure. With the prevalence of air units on this map, I think it might be too volatile for an investment like that.
@Mangs1337 Жыл бұрын
Way too open and too infested with b-copters & bombers to build anything more than some early-game artillery.
@lpsp442 Жыл бұрын
A LOT of plains for a tyred vehicle to endure
@blahmaster6k Жыл бұрын
@@Dru_Stephan I do agree that in general the map is too open for rockets and that they are easily killed. However, I still think that putting one behind the pipe should be pretty easy to defend in the early game until a whole bunch of air units arrive to break through. That spot is several turns away from an airport so it may take a while for an answer to show up, and it's pretty well protected as far as early aggression is concerned. There's only one tile to attack it from and it's surrounded by sea so unless there's a bomber to break the tile it should be able to survive less concentrated attacks. Of course, if the base is getting overwhelmed it doesn't matter if it's a rocket or another unit. It wouldn't be good in the long term, but it might be enough to delay a com tower cap for several turns as well as the other two cities in range. Depends on whether it delays enough income to pay for itself over an artillery, I don't know. I could be completely wrong.
@Santisima_Trinidad Жыл бұрын
@@Mangs1337 yes, but consider this: a rocket followed up by a missile.
@daserfomalhaut9809 Жыл бұрын
That Might and Magic III combat theme is so beautiful. Never heard that before.
@Badbufon Жыл бұрын
but is so distracting lol, my brain can't follow the video while thinking about M&M III
@magicalcapi9148 Жыл бұрын
I think Jokas moved the BOMBER into the anti-air range because at that point, better a 2HP BOMBER there rather than anything. Also, it "distracted" from the cap going on nearby. Of course, at that point the capping didn't really matter, but sometimes we need to make a gamble to have things going Great match!
@HippieInHeart6 ай бұрын
Honestly, that's one thing I like about low-level matches with inexperienced people. Like, in high-level matches such as this one, it's often just one person gaining the upper hand and then absolutely crushing his opponent. In low-level fights there more room for suprises, like, a player could have a massive advantage but then might make a small mistake that allows the other to come back and take over.
@art-games6230 Жыл бұрын
I really think that they should have more missile silos on maps, maybe not easily accessible, but definitely on an island or something
@Capris9x Жыл бұрын
Mangs always has good music for his games. First Jazz Jackrabbit 2 then Heroes of Might and Magic 3. Classics.
@darkwatershadow Жыл бұрын
I thought I'd accidentally opened HoMM3 without realizing it. Really caught me off guard
@zacbounce3805 Жыл бұрын
Too be honest never heard the "Bomb Bers" when you said and now I can't unhear it.
@Majster4K Жыл бұрын
13:28 I actually love the way you speak. Hearing "tankś" or "importanch" makes me smile a bit
@Amalvipls Жыл бұрын
For me this match was the definitive proof that income advantage doesn't matter at all reached a certain high amount of funds The difference between 7000 and 9000 income is huge, but here we can see that the difference between 50000 and 70000 didn't amount to anything. Jokas consistently had a huge income advantage and it didn't help him much even as he spammed easily counterable air units
@marcoasturias8520 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's because of unit cost. With that much money you'll end up needing more bases to expend that.
@StealthySparky Жыл бұрын
Yep. Because when income is not the limiting factor, it's the number of bases. I the end you need bases to create units and there is only a set number of bases on each map.
@blahmaster6k Жыл бұрын
Hi, Dangs. Great content as always, love the commentary.
@Ghan04 Жыл бұрын
Excellent commentary! There was so much going on in this game it was very hard to keep track. Just a lot of production capability so high unit counts. Also, the HoMM3 music was chef's kiss!
@jean-francoisbahl8103 Жыл бұрын
Omg I want to play heroes 3 now 😃
@destiny_draw9285 Жыл бұрын
Was the music from heroes of might and magic at the beginning? Damn thats a blast from the past. Loving it mangs!
@GIJofred Жыл бұрын
The might and magic music makes me very happy to see and hear :)
@jujutsukaiwa4813 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mangs!!, I'm from Thailand and I watched all your awbw video. I'm used to be newbie because I never play awbw but I played other tactics game, and I learn a lot from your commentator video. So, I'm start play GL and now my rating is 1203 / 27-4, Also playing in QC cup. Thank for good video!!
@baldbro3693 Жыл бұрын
Dangs is back!
@manuunam23 Жыл бұрын
The heroes 3 theme on the background: instant like
@jacobcapistrano6731 Жыл бұрын
Haha I did not notice you picked up Deejus' words. Getting reminded of cardinal sins in AWBW really drills words into your mind.
@JokinAround Жыл бұрын
When this game was played Jokas was dealing with another 4 tournament matches, one vs me included. I was discussing it a bit with him and they were too many games for him to manage at once, it's a shame.
@Hajimaruto Жыл бұрын
Oh shit, you are the Tyranitar
@JokinAround Жыл бұрын
@@Hajimaruto I didn't know that my discord PFP was famous 😂
@Hajimaruto Жыл бұрын
@@JokinAround you are in the Legendary tier popularity wise.
@RazorsharpLT Жыл бұрын
You know what, Mangs? I wish these matches had a "score" counter in them, so that you can "lose" but with a lower score than your enemy basically What this means is "Was this a clean win? Did he have a hard fight? Was it completely hopeless or did he have fight in him left?" basically would encourage the losing players to play until the end, maybe make some desperate counteroffensive or the enemy making some blunder which could cause him to climb back or even end in a tie. It's really sad that we don't get to see these battles happen until the end... And of course scores would give you something in return in tourneys... if there's a tie in victories - the guy with the bigger score wins, or maybe the guy with the bigger score gets to choose his commanding officer or if he wants to start second or first.
@dylldj Жыл бұрын
Didn't expect to hear some good ol' H3 OST while watching some Advanced Wars. Hell yeah.
@mikepliek Жыл бұрын
The moment i heard the heroes of might and magic 3 music, i felt like i aged 20 years
@irshkashirkle Жыл бұрын
Actually a really good match, couldn't tell who had the advantage till the last few turns
@JEstey10000Ай бұрын
Love the classic Heroes of Might and Magic III battle music in the background!
@MrEmiosk Жыл бұрын
Agree, boosting does give transports increased value. Makes it worth building a couple every game.
@Eveilnocturne Жыл бұрын
your choices of music are fun for the moment being ... might of magic 3 ahhhh
@ShiroToshi Жыл бұрын
For a second I thought I accidentally booted up Heroes of Might and Magic 3 in the background when I heard the music at the start of the video. Good choice in music.
@voidab-190 Жыл бұрын
A battle between to old veterans and the intro music is also a oldschool classic game . it fits very well It's from Heroes of Might & Magic 3 (HoMM 3)
@kazekamiha Жыл бұрын
So weird hearing Mangs say 'And now I/eye can bring my bomber in' in a game he's now playing in.
@PICADALOL Жыл бұрын
Gotta love these commentaries!!
@returntocommander1398 Жыл бұрын
I'm only 1 min into the video, but I approve the HOMM3 ost in the background ⚔🛡
@arcturus64 Жыл бұрын
Dangs uses HOMM III's main menu music in the intro. If this doesn't make him a man of culture then I don't know what will.
@dangerbeans9639 Жыл бұрын
I was talking about Advance Wars Reboot camp with a coworker and said 'bom-bers.' I've been watching too much Mangs.
@lpsp442 Жыл бұрын
If the spirit animal of Deejus is the Baboon, for Mangs it must be the Man(g)drill
@etlune Жыл бұрын
Heroes music always brings the feels. Awesome
@NovaZero100 Жыл бұрын
Quick unrelated question, and I'm sure it's likely been answered elsewhere. In the player stats window, what is "Boot record"? Other than that, great commentary as ever. I'm glad I got tuned into this channel for this content. I'm not very good at AW, but I love the game and being able to watch experts be expert at things like this is always so fun, and Mangs totally counts as both player and commentator!
@royalghost4914 Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure it is the number of times a player has timed out in global league games
@DrOmegaBattleSphere Жыл бұрын
As Royal Ghost said, it's the amount of times you have been booted for timing out in global league (letting your 7 day timer count all the way down)
@NovaZero100 Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@josephgarcia8209 Жыл бұрын
26:58 eye recognizes attacking the Infantry with his AA would put it in range of the bomber
@PyrelordPazuzu Жыл бұрын
man those guys got shalacked!
@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Жыл бұрын
Man, Adder and Koal have Mega, Mega tank synergy. The thing that struck me was just how meaningless the differences in ecomany were. Jokas had the economic advantage for the entire match, and was even 10k ahead per turn at some points, yet when values get that big positioning is super important. A spectacular game played by both players! I love these mega games
@SuperGamefreak18 Жыл бұрын
why am I imagining bombers with Baboon butts on your channel now lmao.
@Chaosdragon4200 Жыл бұрын
Just hearing the Heroes 3 main theme I already am going to enjoy this.
@marc-andregauthier5006 Жыл бұрын
Omg the music is fire 🔥
@ossewa3939 Жыл бұрын
Actually just got jumpscared by that heroes of might and magic 3 music
@sam7bam Жыл бұрын
Very much enjoying your choice to mix in music from other series. Rise of Nations has a quite a few good tunes; check that out if you aren't already aware of.
@tenchimuyo69 Жыл бұрын
Mang's pronunciation of Bombers does not bug me at all. Sonja is another story...
@Azihayya Жыл бұрын
The Killing Woe... Amazing!!!
@panthekirb7561 Жыл бұрын
Considering how BIG heroes of might and magic 3 is in Russia and Poland I'd expect you to use music from that game if it involves Po1and or some other player from these two countries.
@Hone_mor2525 Жыл бұрын
every time you mentioned "eye" I thought you were talking about yourself, lol.
@radicaldreamer46 Жыл бұрын
Nice Wesnoth music at the start of the video! I'd be curious to see Mang's opinion of Battle for Wesnoth, it had a PvP community, neki (nekismo gaming) had some decent casts of tournament games back in the day. EDIT :: I mistook HOMM 3 music for Battle for Wesnoth's. Whoops my bad.
@skelehedron3070 Жыл бұрын
I'm confused as to why neither player picked Jake. Most of the fighting on the map is on plains tiles, and his movement boost with block rock is incredibly powerful, so it just seems weird to me that neither player picked him as a CO.
@blahmaster6k Жыл бұрын
Especially with how good indirects are on this map.
@misbegottenchampion8255 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure on the rules. Do you know if they are allowed to pick CO's during tournaments? I assumed it was character locked. But I guess if it was everyone would be using the "broken" CO's 🤔
@aereonexapprentice7205 Жыл бұрын
Ye i assume either it was particularly banned on this map like how Adder is banned on some, or Jake isn't picked because of some big brain reasoning
@theblackantonio Жыл бұрын
Most likely decided beforehand it would be Adder vs Koal, because neither player wanted the game to be decided purely on CO choice rather than skill.
@hyperion050 Жыл бұрын
Mangs plays in Heroes! Awesome!
@hordenmeisterAO Жыл бұрын
The old school HOMM music!
@smeaglerG Жыл бұрын
Lol the Adder thumbnail.
@auricanmajere6236 Жыл бұрын
Hey Mangs, I was watching you since years and years past, you're like the alpha youtuber of advance wars and fire emblem, don't leave the stupid comments hurt you, I find friendly that you sometimes use Deejus words. Love you man, keep entertein us.
@HALFandDOUBLE Жыл бұрын
The 'D' in Dangs stands for Deejus
@joaquinkhourysilvestre2530 Жыл бұрын
0:02 Finally, the return... OF DANGS!
@HighLanderPonyYT Жыл бұрын
This game was over about 5-10 mins in. The nature of TBS.
@TheCasualSubculturist Жыл бұрын
This aint GRIMM GUY
@Mangs1337 Жыл бұрын
Forgive me!
@ingemar Жыл бұрын
people complaining Mangs is too much like deejus. I dont see deejus feeding a cruiser 5 air units in one video and then miss clicking the UI in the following video. stay true to you mangs love the AWBW replays o7
@mr.s.i6642 Жыл бұрын
Jokas & A trueboos are the best High Funds players of all time.
@antke1472 Жыл бұрын
Didn't watch the match but have a like for the homm3 music
@J_Halcyon Жыл бұрын
Anyone else constantly hearing "eye" as "I" during this commentary and wanting Dangs to correct his grammar?
@Scrap_and_build_ourselves Жыл бұрын
Dangs Bangs Mangs. Also request for Mangs to do a Rakfisk mukbang, it'd be funny to see Chat grossed out by it.
@douglascostapinheiro4642 Жыл бұрын
I, for one, appreciate the “Bombur” pronunciation, makes me think of the Dwarf version 😅
@hadoukenfighter Жыл бұрын
that last turn was ugly as fuck, i loved every moment of it.
@warpuppy4528 Жыл бұрын
I was expecting fighters to come out way earlier on this map. I think I usually build one as soon as my opponent has 3 battle copters.
@marcoasturias8520 Жыл бұрын
Maybe they didn't want to be zoned out by the carriers?
@dark_rit Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think the only reason you wouldn't is because of the carriers here where a bomber would usually be more effective once you have that many funds or a neo tank for it's nice mobility and ability to destroy the carriers.
@ElementZephyr Жыл бұрын
The correct way to say it is Bom-Bers, Englishpeoples.
@arpitrohilla285 Жыл бұрын
It's alright man deejus influences us all
@zeroskill. Жыл бұрын
did i just watch a full hp bomber only deal 2 damage with super activated
@royalghost4914 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Mega tanks are sturdy
@tobathetura7482 Жыл бұрын
Another certified banger outa mangs productions 🐒 🐒 🙈
@tt-rama2246 Жыл бұрын
Absolute banger!
@TheMistermastermario Жыл бұрын
it’s so weird for you to say “eye” because my brain always parses it as “I”
@varodleus Жыл бұрын
Music from Heroes 3 ))
@KhoaTran-md5ou Жыл бұрын
Hero might and magic 3 :D
@Suy.. Жыл бұрын
I think you forgot to link atrueboss link in the description
@Mangs1337 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me!
@WavemasterAshi Жыл бұрын
...during the intro, I was confused because I was *SURE* I didn't have my HMM games open. So...was that boosting thing having to do with why it sure LOOKED like infantry were walking over water? (Edit: Never mind, I see that apparently even tiles that look like 100% water are considered land if they are adjacent to a land tile)
@theoutlander1411 Жыл бұрын
More good game reviews from Dangs
@anonyme4881 Жыл бұрын
I dont think Adder is better than Coal in high founds, because here power meter charge twice as fast. So Adder couldnt abuse his cheap power more than Coal, who still had his firepower advantage. In fact Coal could spam his super in this game
@TITAN_101 Жыл бұрын
People still would build transports without "Boosting" being a thing... not sure if Eagle/Sammy tag players count as people but they definitely would build them Joke aside, Transports are useful best of which being Black Boats due to them being mobile repair/APC's despite their limit to water/beach tiles, APC's in general being damn near required to survive fuel loss vs Olaf without fusing units. Plus bodyblocking with something deemed useless is both frustrating & helpful in making enemies waste units to get it outa the way.
@NekoGamiSamaa Жыл бұрын
I like you accent, Mangs, English isn't my mother language, but I understand everything you say anyways, so don't worry about people complaining about that
@ralphclark219 Жыл бұрын
Does Mangs have his own community discord?
@ralphclark219 Жыл бұрын
Where can I find it then? I feel like I’m blind and missed it
@wassimdarwich5918 Жыл бұрын
I'm so dumb man, i thought you were the one playing because i kept hearing "i did" "let's see if i"...... the player is called eye
@marcusantonius9569 Жыл бұрын
Is boosting a game rule or did it just not get changed?
@Emperor4Hire Жыл бұрын
BTW love the Heroes 3 music
@SilentVinyl Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@guineboud1347 Жыл бұрын
Jokas definitely didn't play his best. Most apparent in those AA free hits on his jets. eye seemed very strong and probably would have won even if Jokas was given a lot of takebacks.
@art-games6230 Жыл бұрын
Several times during this video, I confused i and eye, did that person make that username confusing on purpose?
@mercuryon8608 Жыл бұрын
Where can I play this???
@JohnSmith-xv1tp Жыл бұрын
As an American, I never understood the why certain B's are silent in words like Bomber. Feel free to pronounce it however you feel like Mangs.