A Beginner’s Guide to Understanding Air Rifle Projectile Trajectory AKA External Ballistics Level 1

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Wisconsin AirGunners

Wisconsin AirGunners

3 жыл бұрын

Did you know that shooting an air rifle “zeroed” at 25 yards at a 1” target only 15 yards away might result in a clean miss? And did you know while it misses at 15, if that same 1” target had been placed at 45 yards you’d have smacked it right in the center? And if you knew that, do you know why?
Maybe you aren’t sure how to decide at what distance to zero your scope?
Or you don’t know what Ballistic Coefficient (BC) is?
Do you believe that pellets travel in an arc on the way to the target?
Maybe you’ve heard that .177 caliber is “flatter shooting” than .22 caliber* but really don’t know what that means...
We are here to help you understand what’s happening from the time the pellet leaves the end of the barrel (or moderator) until it hits the target. And knowing these things is essential to making decisions on how to set up your scope, so that you can get the most out of your set up, whether it’s for target shooting, hunting, trick shots or pest control.
If you want to be able to shoot, and hit what you are shooting at, then understanding the basics of what forces influence a pellet, or slug for that matter, in flight (often referred to as “exterior ballistics”) is critical. Not only is it critical, but if questions (and answers) posted online are any gauge, it is widely misunderstood.
In this video we address the “first level” of understanding, with the intent to dive deeper at a later time. While this is intended to cover basics, we expect some experienced shooters may be able to pick up a thing or two from it. Everyone starts somewhere on the road to knowledge, and it doesn’t hurt to pick up a little along the way!
This information is applicable to both pellets and slugs.
Special thanks to Shooter 1721, for allowing us to use still images from one of his videos. That video can be watched here:
• FX Maverick VP Edition...
*for sub-12 shooters, check out Alpha Militaria’s video on this topic at • .177 vs .22 Trajectory...

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@CyclopsJoeVideos
@CyclopsJoeVideos 3 жыл бұрын
PJ , This is truly one of those videos I question how ANYONE could give a thumbs down ??!!! Great Job
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe!
@myminuteofangle7313
@myminuteofangle7313 3 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners I agree with Joe thanks guys...
@AF-O6
@AF-O6 2 жыл бұрын
I am an engineer, and you explain this with more clarity (and practicality) than any physics professor I ever had. I've watched it a few times now...very, VERY well done!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for that compliment!
@BullseyeBob
@BullseyeBob 3 жыл бұрын
Wow.....what an amazing job at explaining something so critical to good marksmanship. Well done Paul!!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bob!
@davidricci3101
@davidricci3101 Жыл бұрын
This was one of the most helpful videos on this topic that I have come across. I was finally able to fill in some missing pieces of the trajectory puzzle. Your more slow and deliberate delivery worked great for me. And surprisingly, you did not need any vulgarity to accomplish your purposes. Some folks think they do. That works for me too. Great. Thank you!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words. Glad it helped!
@RickDuring
@RickDuring 6 ай бұрын
Thank you SOO MUCH for taking the effort in shooting this video.. It helped me greatly to understand the trajectory. 💪🏻🚀
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 6 ай бұрын
I’m glad it helped!
@robteq3845
@robteq3845 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Been shooting for 60 yrs and have never seen this topic presented so well.
@najib19nawas
@najib19nawas 3 жыл бұрын
Gold standard- you have a natural ability to teach and explain concepts clearly. You would be doing the airgun world a tremendous service if you choose to make other educational videos such as this. Thanks for elevating our understanding and competence. I know a bunch of youngsters who have been discouraged and left the sport because they didn’t understand why they failed at hitting the targets- I suspect videos like this can help retain our youngsters longer and be advocates for it in adulthood.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Najib. Thank you so much for your kind words. The response to this one has been tremendous, so we will be doing more.
@scousewillo62
@scousewillo62 3 жыл бұрын
clearest explanation of trajectory, BC and zero range. Will share this on the forum I use.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jbird22cal
@jbird22cal Жыл бұрын
Dude, first of all Sconnie rocks, hello from down the road. Second. Rock on! I stumbled on on your video while researching a pcp. You are correct. The B.C. is a variable, even in metallic cartridge development the published BC is just a starting point you need to verify under different conditions.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Awesome, hope your research is going well.!
@stevestickmanhicks3247
@stevestickmanhicks3247 2 жыл бұрын
Like the geese in the background… Great info brother!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@CyclopsJoeVideos
@CyclopsJoeVideos 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video PJ ! Excellent graphics , and easy to understand explanation
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joe!
@tonycarr1253
@tonycarr1253 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job in breaking all that Info, Down. I’m still Relatively New when it comes to PCP’S, and You just Took Me To School 👌🏽 Now I’m Tuned In To Your Station (subscribed) Excellent Video All the way from Apopka Florida
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@Lecon60
@Lecon60 Жыл бұрын
I'm 55 years old and learning about trajectory and coefficients. I just set my sights and go. Just hunting. Last year I purchased a 25 cal and have been taking ptarmigan in my back yard. Now I'm starting to have fun going out with skis and hunting small game. I'm retired from the Fire EMS service and it got me going out. Now I'm considering stalking ducks.
@humour4786
@humour4786 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, an honest to God explanation...well done...none of the usual exhibitionism (barring the squawking geese).Very useful.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johnmadsen9302
@johnmadsen9302 3 жыл бұрын
easy to understand explanation
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John!
@Wagmister
@Wagmister 7 ай бұрын
Just the facts Sir… You have done exactly what you set out to do. Just enough physics to validate your simple explanation. Perfect balance.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@casperboo5465
@casperboo5465 3 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant Pj, even i can understand it, lol, well presented and well thought out out my friend, Awesome Thanks for sharing with us, stay safe All the best to you and your family, Cheers
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Casper!
@coreyredd1
@coreyredd1 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the pellet goes up like a football... a navy seal sniper described it that way but never knew the barrel was tilted/// thanks brotha
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like there is always something to learn. There isn't enough rotation on a pellet to create the high-low pressure areas that some of those super fast bullets get lift from.
@ikonikhunter
@ikonikhunter 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and graphic support. This is something my buddies and I talk about frequently to stay on point. Thumbs up bro
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@georgedeedsnotwords2162
@georgedeedsnotwords2162 3 жыл бұрын
Great video PJ ! If you went to a place where the ground is level for miles . Levelled your barrel . At the same time shot and dropped a pellet of same weight , which one will hit the ground first ? Both hit the ground at same time one at your feet and one a distance from you . But at same time . The faster the projectile the farther away it will be , but both hit the ground at same time . The things we forget about from junior high school ...
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
There’s an episode of Mythbusters where they did that experiment. Pretty cool when science works.
@trshuster
@trshuster 3 жыл бұрын
Myth Busters had a pretty cool episode on the same subject years ago. Pretty cool to watch it actually happen.
@georgedeedsnotwords2162
@georgedeedsnotwords2162 3 жыл бұрын
Science is like math , you can't change the laws . Like the speed of light is the maximum speed . So if you were traveling at speed of light and turned on a light , how far would the light shine ?....or would it ....lol
@TheDWZemke
@TheDWZemke 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job love how the jet flew out of you head at 0:37. Great data one of the best 101 videos ever.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@thelimitingfactor
@thelimitingfactor Жыл бұрын
Best video on the topic
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks!
@jim22222
@jim22222 2 жыл бұрын
Like you I’ve been shooting air rifles since childhood. It wasn’t until my late teens that I started studying the effects of bullet weight on trajectory. With a 12 FT/LB rifle I could only shoot out to 50M (55 yards) and be sure of a clean kill. I haven’t bought a new rifle since 2006 but I am quite taken with FX Impact. Now, I live in Switzerland, where hunting with an air rifle is illegal but there are no limits with regards to energy levels. An FX Impact in 25 Calibre running at 65 FT/LBs shooting slugs would be a dream. Thanks for the videos
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I think you'll enjoy the .25 if you can get it! I was in Utah shooting prairie dogs with an Impact shooting slugs in .25 cal, and hit a prairie dog at 275 yards.
@axion8788
@axion8788 2 жыл бұрын
Is he a farmer or a teacher? Wait, you're both right! The single best explanation of trajectory I've seen. Kudos and many thanks. (Subbed)
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@trshuster
@trshuster 3 жыл бұрын
Great video on a not so easy to comprehend topic for us air gunners, Thanks PJ! How about one on reading wind next? ;)
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
I think the next installment will be to discuss wind. Have to start working out the graphics, but have some real work projects to knock out first.
@Acutus3399
@Acutus3399 3 жыл бұрын
Dude this is an awesome explanation! I love the trajectory target! Brilliant way to show trajectory!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@eyesintheskies
@eyesintheskies Жыл бұрын
You make a great teacher 👍
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MattStrauser
@MattStrauser 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video. I appreciate your clear and paced speaking style.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you saying something.
@dlrobinson39
@dlrobinson39 3 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent explanation of trajectory. I look forward to seeing the video you do on wind effects. I'll be thanking my grandson for alerting me to your channel. He often uses my computer to watch you videos.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic.Glad it helped.
@dwrek40
@dwrek40 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool my man, I wish I had someone to break things down like that for me when I first started out.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Me too! That's where a lot of the video ideas come from.
@johnnyvonline1862
@johnnyvonline1862 Жыл бұрын
Love this kind of content. great video!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@stevenpurcell4292
@stevenpurcell4292 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, PJ, an aside: The two zero principle is how snipers are able to shoot through a small hole in a wall or other concealment at fairly close range in order to hit their actual target at much longer range while remaining completely concealed (but you already knew that). I love the migrating geese in the background, a sound I miss along with bugling elk and squawking seagulls, since moving to Costa Rica. Thanks, man.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@peteralexben
@peteralexben 3 жыл бұрын
good info- i like the milldots for different distance shooting,not the constant turning of the turrets
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Good to have options.
@dougdishler2086
@dougdishler2086 3 жыл бұрын
Great info buddy!!!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug.
@DarrellD.
@DarrellD. 2 жыл бұрын
That video was awesome. I’ve been shooting air rifles mostly Springers since I was 10 years old, I’m 63 now. I recently bought my first PCP, of course it’s a air Venturi avenger 25 caliber . I can’t believe that I’ve been shooting Springers for this long and have not bought a PCP sooner. I am having the time of my life with it. I can’t wait for some good weather to do some tuning and to stretch it out. I see you’re from Wisconsin, I live in the Green Bay area. Good weather can be tough to come by in these parts. I hope to see more of your videos soon!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Today was beautiful and I'm excited for more!
@mikepi660
@mikepi660 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, I learned much,, Explained very well,,,,
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 10 ай бұрын
I’m glad to help out.
@Tbone370
@Tbone370 2 жыл бұрын
Great shooting!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johnmoss4140
@johnmoss4140 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff PJ. thanks for taking the time to put it together
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome John!
@adambacker8178
@adambacker8178 10 ай бұрын
awesome overview. outstanding
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@qualityfun8304
@qualityfun8304 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely done PJ
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jungleairgunners8353
@jungleairgunners8353 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, man.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@kingfishphill4120
@kingfishphill4120 3 жыл бұрын
🎯 Very good information and understanding on air gun trajectory 🎯
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Phillip!
@Iflewlo
@Iflewlo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a well-spoken and illustrated lecture
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott!
@ronaldmoffett3498
@ronaldmoffett3498 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this most interesting video! Learned alot! Very much appreciated!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ronald.
@nickmeinert6255
@nickmeinert6255 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and great info Thank you PJ
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Nick!
@kamando73
@kamando73 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, look forward to LEVEL 2 and beyond........ ?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Working on it soon.
@scottcottontx
@scottcottontx 3 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Scott!
@pixe7338
@pixe7338 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man , great job. This helps me so much.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@johnhrenkiw2522
@johnhrenkiw2522 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent job of explaining. Keep up the videos
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@stxferalboys
@stxferalboys 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative video!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thebeardedairgunner
@thebeardedairgunner 3 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate the information you provided! I love learning more and more about the airgun world!!!!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help out!
@TheSopranosUkeDuo
@TheSopranosUkeDuo 2 жыл бұрын
PJ, I've just discovered you channel and mate, I could listen to you talk all day. Great video. I'm just starting out, picking up my first airgun in a coupl of weeks - Impact M3 and I'm learning tons from you. Thanks
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! The M3 is a great platform. Let me know if you have questions.
@TheSopranosUkeDuo
@TheSopranosUkeDuo 2 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners I certainly will, and I appreciate you replying. Thanks
@wayneschneiderman8955
@wayneschneiderman8955 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very helpful ....
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Wayne!
@markhuxstep7779
@markhuxstep7779 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful and easy to understand PJ. Cheers.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it's been helpful.
@trainwon5699
@trainwon5699 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent job, a big help. Thanks
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Don!
@mariosharidimou3508
@mariosharidimou3508 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@gregcandor2956
@gregcandor2956 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg!
@numizaairguns1373
@numizaairguns1373 3 жыл бұрын
Very good information...
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@icuppu2
@icuppu2 2 жыл бұрын
Cool, another great video.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@FirstStateAirgun
@FirstStateAirgun 3 жыл бұрын
You explained everything perfectly so even I got it thank you brother preciate that stay safe
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@bellasignora2668
@bellasignora2668 3 жыл бұрын
Darling ! Eccellente, Grazie Mille !
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@chrisfigueroa3361
@chrisfigueroa3361 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info it really helps Thanks for sharing 👍 bsafe
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris.
@cornfields-crosshairs4182
@cornfields-crosshairs4182 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Pj.....👍 For a few different moments I did feel like the Element Jesus was standing over me! The heavens were behind you!! I was confessing my ballistic sins of my Airgunning past in hope that you would bless me with your grace and mercy!! FORGIVE ME Element Jesus for not using my Strelok Pro as much as I should be!! 🔥I REPENT!!🔥....... 😂🤓😂 Love the content Pj!!.....Let's keep going with this! Meaning I'm game for following & discussing! The milk and the meat!! I love it all! 🤓
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
You’re forgiven!
@cornfields-crosshairs4182
@cornfields-crosshairs4182 3 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners Hahahahaha! I had a feeling you would! Haha!!👊
@Cyberwendy
@Cyberwendy Ай бұрын
Very well explained.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@cliffb.2416
@cliffb.2416 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you PJ ! Great video Looking fwd to part 2 if you do one. On wind or related info. ? Where is the BC calculator/info on Pyramydair? I'll have to try and find that, didn't know it existed. Go Packers 🏉🏆
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Here you go. www.pyramydair.com/widgets/
@dcr5401
@dcr5401 3 жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@tonyhowell32
@tonyhowell32 3 жыл бұрын
Great job PJ, it gets really interesting in .25 at sub 12 in the uk with Kings @ 460FPS, we are not limited by caliber, I am even using .30 340FPS with superb results at
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome. I’d have to calculate the retained velocity on that...if you are hunting I’d love to know what kind of penetration you are seeing!
@peteralexben
@peteralexben 3 жыл бұрын
the smaller caliber will have the better penatration ,with the same 12 ftlbs, those big pellets will give a big punch ,but you will see that at some time they will not reach the internal organes.
@derrickmitchell39dm
@derrickmitchell39dm 2 жыл бұрын
PJ. Slugs need a high twist rate on a barrel. This is important to mention because if a slug needs spin, high BC and speed then the barrel has to have the appropriate twist rate. 😉
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Right, though high is a subjective word in this discussion. If it isn't high enough you won't get the gyroscopic stabilization and you have a piece of tumbling lead flying downrange.
@derrickmitchell39dm
@derrickmitchell39dm 2 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners Exactly. I like shooting my Maverick .30 but when I want pin point accuracy even at say 80+ yards out and slugs are a necessity I got pull out the Uragan .30. That CZ barrel is....amazing.
@toddhunter5693
@toddhunter5693 3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Todd!
@Andrew-ut1yv
@Andrew-ut1yv 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video PJ, I was just doing further research into the BC of the Hades pellet just yesterday. It seems our beloved 15.89 grain Hades sheds speed much faster than it's15.89 domed counterpart (the Hades has a much lower BC). My assumption was that the two similar pellets had the same BC (incorrect) thus it caused misses in the field and left me puzzled. In regards to the BC being dependent on velocity (fps). Why don't pellet/slug manufactures show the BC for the pellet at multiple speeds? I would think a chart with the projectile from 500 to 1000 FPS with a row for each 50 FPS showing the different BC for each speed. That way, if my gun shoots the pellet at 850 FPS I could easily put the data into software. If your gun shoots it at 550 FPS then you would use that different BC based on the speed from your gun. I wouldn't have to shoot the pellet over my chronograph at the muzzle and then at 20 yards (or whatever distance) to calculate the BC myself. Am I missing something (would twist rate or barrel type greatly change the BC between guns after it leaves the muzzle at a specific speed), why isn't BC for airgun projectiles provided this way (in speed increments)? Thank you for your time, it is much appreciated.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
That chart would get pretty messy. They’d have to list starting speed, then distance to target. For example, pellet A fired at xxx speed will have an average BC out to 30 yards. It would be different at 40, 50, etc. There is some evidence that different rifles will generate different BC’s because some rifles rifling scars the pellet more than others, which changes the aerodynamics. As to the Hades, I think it’s the indents in the head that reduce the BC.
@tbuggey7232
@tbuggey7232 3 жыл бұрын
I see you are using Sterloc Pro Could you show the chart that has Foot Pounds of Energy at say 10 yard increments out to 100 yards.It would be interesting to see the chart for 177,22,25, and 30 and to see how far you can go before you get below 3FPE for squirrel shotting. Thanks for the time and effort I like to know the Y of things Tom
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
We could do something like that.
@redauwg911
@redauwg911 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, It was very good. If i may ask, .22 at 755lbs and shoot at 10 feet to 25 yards, What distance would you zero the scope?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Probably at 25 and work the trajectory backwards.
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 6 ай бұрын
I like what you did on the paper to prove out Strelok. My curiousity now has me wondering about approach angle of the projectile. Especially seeing guys shooting 3,4,500+ yards these days at ballons and eggs and such. I hope to find a video on this topic somewhere. It also relates to velocity \ energy on target as well. Thats pretty easy to find out with strelok and the like, but Im not sure I have have ever seen approach angle in software. Anyone know any?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 6 ай бұрын
I don’t know how you’d calculate it, but I’m sure it can be done. I was shooting between 2-300 yards on prairie dogs in Utah and you have to get the range just right because holding too high dropped the slug behind them and holding too low didn’t hit it low, it landed in front of them.
@zacatecano1986
@zacatecano1986 2 жыл бұрын
What software do u reccomend to create a ballistic bullet drop ? Pr what calculator software is good
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Strelock Pro.
@TerriblyRacing
@TerriblyRacing 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe this was pretty much 1, 2 takes well done! Get yourself a camera stand can’t believe you had to film the whole thing standing like that, still a good vid for beginners👍🏽
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Was somewhere without my regular gear and time to spend on the project. Hope I didn’t induce motion sickness.
@ootahbeefz5501
@ootahbeefz5501 3 жыл бұрын
🔥
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Have you seen the Alpha Militaria video on .177 vs .22 cal drop? He did a nice one that helped me understand pellet drop.
@ootahbeefz5501
@ootahbeefz5501 3 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners don’t think I have
@davidhollfelder9940
@davidhollfelder9940 Жыл бұрын
Have you used the ATN X-Sight with the ABL. if so, does it work well?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
I have not. The biggest issue I have heard of is that the ABL setup doesn't map pellet trajectories as well as other systems.
@paulstein2480
@paulstein2480 Жыл бұрын
Good primer. Even for a Cheesehead! 😝
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣
@bigbirderbob3710
@bigbirderbob3710 3 жыл бұрын
Man what did we do before software and those clicky scopes. We are spoiled. We had to get out there and shoot and do quazi-math in our heads. I think the term is point blank which is reslly misused due to Hollywood. You basically want to find out the area of the parabola (which apparently doesnt exist) that is flatest. Like if I zero for 45 yards, between 35 and 50 yards my shots will all be in the kill zone (kill zone being a big variable here but probably a constant if a deer gun). The shots may be 2 inches high or low. If you practice at other yardage then you are covering a lot of range. Yeah for air guns it needs a lot more development but I'm not shooting cans at 300 yards (or even pesting at 100). You guys do a good job at that. My chairgun calculator has failed me so you have to or should go out and shoot to make sure. However, I am known as not being the smartest tool in the deck.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Chairgun is a good tool, but it has some limitations, namely proofing BC. I try to run real world trials at the point a rifle is "set" where I validate trajectory in 5-10 yard increments out to 100 yards. Once that is done and all the data is validated, I'll trust Strelock to give me solutions at longer distances.
@williamthegunnut3839
@williamthegunnut3839 2 жыл бұрын
Will a 13,40 gr .22 pellet at around 700 fps gave the same trejectory as a .177 pellet? Is there even any way to get a .22 to have a flat trajectory ?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Yes or No. It depends on how you were asking the question. The slower the projectile the I more gravity has an opportunity to pull it down. Two projectiles going at the same speed will be pulled down at the same rate. The one with the lower ballistic coefficient will do you celebrate faster, so by the time it gets to the target it will be going slower than the other one and it will hit lower because gravity has had more time to work on it. A lot of the time when we're comparing .177's and .22's the comparison winds up centering around one manufacturer is gone that has two models, each with its own caliber. In this case the .177 version tends to have a listed higher maximum velocity. That's usually because it's able to propel the lighter pellet faster than it's .22 caliber counterpart. In this case the .177 will seem to have a flatter trajectory but that's almost entirely based on speed not something magical about that pellet.
@williamthegunnut3839
@williamthegunnut3839 2 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners So a .177 will fly flatter than a .22 even if the .177 pellet has the same weight and velocity as a .22 pellet?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamthegunnut3839 In that case it will depend on the ballistic coefficient of each pellet. The one with the higher BC will fly "flatter." Just keep in mind that you have described a pretty rare set of circumstances.
@williamthegunnut3839
@williamthegunnut3839 2 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners ok i think I understand. Thanks for the help 👍
@jumpkickman1993
@jumpkickman1993 Жыл бұрын
What exactly is it to make some air rifles great slug guns and other ones only want pellets
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
That's a good question. There are a couple of factors that wrap up into the reasons, plural. Most air guns are produced specifically for pellets. Because of the physical layout of a pellet there are minimal points of contact between the lead and the surface of the barrel. This means that there is relatively little friction which allows a less powerful airgun to get that pellet up to speed. The slug has more bearing surface and therefore will take more to get it to a stable speed. Related to that is the twist rate of most pellet barrels. Most airguns do not have aggressively twisted barrels, because it isn't necessary when shooting pellets. The heavier the slug, the more aggressive the twist rate needs to be in order to spin stabilize it. The third factor has to do with a choke, or a narrowing of the barrel near the muzzle. Many pellet rifles have choked barrels, which can help the Airgun shoot pellets more accurately. Because of the less forgiving nature of the size and shape of the slug, it doesn't do very well with it goes through that choke. There are some exceptions to this, but if I was looking at airguns that I thought were likely to be good with slugs, I would be looking for an unchoked barrel.
@jumpkickman1993
@jumpkickman1993 Жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners that makes a lot of sense. There's so much more that goes into this than you would assume. My AEA challenger is more of a slug gun and Gauntlet is more pellet friendly. I appreciate the advice man🙏
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
@@jumpkickman1993 any time.
@stemcleeds
@stemcleeds 7 ай бұрын
Why is the camera in a box?
@jtkoelewijn
@jtkoelewijn Жыл бұрын
😊🤝👍🏻
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@muddgeeser
@muddgeeser 3 жыл бұрын
i thought b c ment beer consumption
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Good one!
@waqarway
@waqarway Жыл бұрын
11:08 haha realtime
@fgb3126
@fgb3126 3 ай бұрын
I like your measured, easy-to-follow explanations. I like your illustrations which are clear and well-made. I do not like your decision to video yourself as you do with sun glare and intensity making you squint. Since your explanations, your speaking, is not dependent upon where you are when speaking, why not use a softer, more controlled environment? Video yourself, for example, sitting comfortably, perhaps indoors. You'd get better audio as well as better video. The way you are doing your videos of yourself is not serving you well. Note: I am a new viewer so I have not seen any of your more recent programs. Perhaps you have already made some of the changes I mention?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the way you delivered your feedback. In this case I had an opportunity in terms of time, but not an ideal location. It was a do or do not choice, and I chose to do it despite not having a perfect location. I'd like to think that the channel keeps improving, both in terms of location and equipment. I guess you can let me know when you watch newer videos. The channel doesn't generate very much revenue and most of what I've made has gone back into gear or one kind or another. I do everything solo...from idea to filming to editing...so that's a factor as well. I appreciate you watching and taking the time to offer your opinions. Shoot safe.
@michaelbritain5546
@michaelbritain5546 2 жыл бұрын
So it's strange in the UK that my air rifle shoots around 34 ft/lbs in .22, or .25 shoots at 46 ft/lbs, .30 around 70 ft/lbs 🤣
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 2 жыл бұрын
Same rifle in different caliber configurations or three different rifles?
@muddgeeser
@muddgeeser 3 жыл бұрын
the first computer was made for trojectory and bust the german codes
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know.
@Jail_Cake
@Jail_Cake 25 күн бұрын
I’m sticking tape on my gear tomorow. Goodnight. P.s platinum GBA is 200fps faster and 35x distance than all GR pellets and slugs. Spent thousands doing this. The label tells the complete truth. And they are non toxic around water and to nature. which is massive
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 25 күн бұрын
The future of lead is uncertain in lots of areas, I hope the industry takes the development of new materials seriously.
@garyreinke5161
@garyreinke5161 6 ай бұрын
You mentioned Strelok. That ballistics software is no longer available and was pulled by our government because of its association with Russia and their action in Ukraine. Do have another alternative?
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 6 ай бұрын
Fortunately for people who have already downloaded it it still works, but without updates. I’ve played with the Sig BDX, Element Optics, Ballistic AE and Hornady. Honestly, none are as good. Applied Ballistics has a paid version. It doesn’t get great reviews, but it might be the best. I think it gets dinged for being complicated.
@stevenzembriski6761
@stevenzembriski6761 3 жыл бұрын
That’s why it’s called TEDs holdover
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@Boogerboys1990
@Boogerboys1990 3 жыл бұрын
Coriolis effect is a myth. Applies to 2 mile snipers? But not an f16? At 1500mph? Unreal. Shits a joke. The earth is not moving.
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 3 жыл бұрын
The bigger question is how it effects landing gliders on top of tall buildings.
@Boogerboys1990
@Boogerboys1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@WiscAirGunners bahahahahahhahahaj exactly. It don't wind and bullet drop. That's it👍👍
@stemcleeds
@stemcleeds 7 ай бұрын
Dude, i don't want to look up your nose!
@WiscAirGunners
@WiscAirGunners 7 ай бұрын
A smaller screen is recommended.
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