A BETTER alternative to the shoulder charge nerf

Copium to the maxxxxxx

[@PocketTuna]

Time to move on from this change now. Could be shit, could be good, only time will tell. We will revisit it when it goes live.

[@JandJ]

Great vid keep up the good work

[@PocketTuna]

@@JandJ Thank you :-)

[@JandJ]

@@PocketTuna it's all good bro

[@Fenyxclips]

The other melee options should be buffed so they become options. Hell, Thunderclap fully charged should *jolt* and *stun* given the power it can have behind it. But Bungie won't give us that. They'd once again make the Hunter build stronger and nerf Titans. Even Balsitic Slam had it's super energy gaining removed when 3.0 launched! To the shoulder charging: Should've been a 5 second cooldown similar to Icarus Dash.

[@PocketTuna]

Agreed

[@impossibleegg3689]

interesting thought. Thunderclap can stagger big enemies at high charges, which is a partial stun. If it Jolts at full charge, it might be worth consideration. I expected them to nerf Icarus dash as well (mobility binding for cooldown?), if shoulder charge is getting a seven sec gap at 100 str

[@trankhoa5248]

We already have to run for 2.5 sec to activate SC, just make it to 5. Now, not only we have to Run + Wait for 7 to 17 sec and Not use out melee for dps. While others 2 class is just have another button to press.... I don't even know anymore, even Datto said be happy that Bungie don't make it take all the energy. But it's already die as a option for me... Because it really not worth it

[@PocketTuna]

I agree it could’ve been worse but man it doesn’t have to be like this lmao

[@trankhoa5248]

@@PocketTuna i try to play pvp and doing weekly yesterday without using SC.... It just feels bad. Like i lost a part of my soul or something there...

[@DarthDevious905]

@@PocketTuna yeah i could have been d2 launch shoulder charge where if melee'd the air you lost it completely

[@innovation_s6079]

coming from a behemoth player I already lose all my energy on a melee so uh come on down to my level fellas the water's cold

[@lachlanrunacres3996]

Very well said, couldnt agree more! Also: in order to use it consistently as a movement ability you have to not use it as a melee, so titans have to sacrifice alot of usage of their melee to get this movement. Meanwhile warlocks can use icarus dash and their melee.

[@PocketTuna]

EXACTLY

[@prototypezero8507]

Not gonna lie i decided to going back as a warlock main instead titan

[@PocketTuna]

Noooooo stick with us lol

[@themelonman3384]

TRATOR!!!!!

[@workingonit5532]

STFU you guys I would do the same thing if I was still playing I gave up after this tbo

[@mitchellenderson7194]

The funny thing is, they already have a mechanic built into shoulder charge to limit how often it’s used in the sprint buildup. I don’t think anyone would lose sleep over a thing if they increased that duration to four, five, or even six seconds to limit how often it’s used.

[@PocketTuna]

This...is a very good point. Will mention this iono my next video

[@X--pv7kz]

As behemoth titan main who losses his Melee on every ability usage no matter what, I can say that the nerf won't be that bad cause it's only a 15% energy loss, but it's fuck up everyone's flow, the titan kit is gonna feel slower, more clunky

[@PocketTuna]

ugh that's what I'm afraid of

[@DieLoreleiValkyr]

Bro imagine if you SC a PvE enemy but cast it too early and it doesn’t track/register.. 💀 and you lose a small portion of melee energy and are punished because you casted it too early?🤣

[@PocketTuna]

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo fuck man you know it's gonna happen. Shoulder charge whiffs way more than it used to

[@NezarecFGOP]

I think the problem is they should he buffing what's bad Make the other melees good at being melees while shoulder charge is just good for movement that way you have to decide between good movement or good melee

[@PocketTuna]

Yep, agreed

[@thenewseorarek9625]

Its the only movement option with no cooldown because we have to give up our whole melee for it. Plus shatterdive counts as a movement option as well and it has no cooldown, and you dont even give anything up to have that

[@Twisted117]

Agreed! They should give it a 5 second cool down like the warlock dash

[@PocketTuna]

Yup, and if it's still a problem go from there

[@JohnSmith-ti9uq]

How did shoulder charge go from pretty much everyone fine with it being a OHK, to Bungie randomly nerfing it into a stun move, and now to Bungie giving it a cooldown as a movement ability?!?!? Shoulder charge was never even OP when it was OHK yet now they keep nerfing it further. Makes no sense. Sandbox team has a random hate boner for Shoulder charge.

[@PocketTuna]

The strangest hate boner. They've tried so many times over the years

[@gibster9624]

I still whiff shoulder charge from time to time and man does it suck to just go "Well here's 10 seconds of me wondering wth I'm supposed to do now?"

[@79bigcat]

I thought of a sort of compromise for it expending energy now. When the stars align and shoulder charge actually connects, it has a secondary status effect for a small radius around you, right? What if like the hunters' bombardiers exotic, when you use your SC, even if you _don't_ connect with it a small(maybe 1 meter radius) around you gets hit with the class respective status. We're burning the melee anyway, might as well get something out of it besides the slight dash forward. Pocket blind and suppress might be a little OP, however, in PvP it's death sentence to be that close to another player anyway.

[@PocketTuna]

Bruh, I really like this lol How is this the first time kI';ve heard anyone suggest this?!

[@cyberuspunk]

I mean doesn't this just put titans in the same boat as hunters with mobility?

[@PocketTuna]

What are your thoughts on the stompees nerf?

[@Zent1706]

„Put it on a a set cooldown like every other movement ability in the goddamn game and you‘re done. Tying it to the strength stat is just unbelievably dumb.“ Interesting, I allways thought, that shoulder charge is a melee ability and should be affected by the strenght stat like every other melee. I didn‘t know that bungee created a hole unique movement ability type just for shoulder charge.🤔

[@PocketTuna]

Maybe if the melee wasn't garbo people wouldn't have resorted to using it for mobility

[@jordansullivan6856]

They never know how to balance anything. If you nerf something give us an alternative but they wont listen. Smh

[@lorenzorobertson9561]

I'm a titan and i have sunbreaker build on healing and i must say ill find a way to make people feel the power of the sun

[@PocketTuna]

SAME

[@VargasTheOne]

Why don’t you have ten thousand subs yet. criminally under viewed

[@PocketTuna]

I appreciate comments like this so much! I'm grinding, trying to be the best I can be. I'll get there soon and I will always remember this comment :-)

[@tragcally950]

Why would they give it the dash treatment the dash is movement base only but with titans it a melee it just wouldn’t make any sense?

[@PocketTuna]

a useless melee but sure lol

[@Telesto_Timelost]

@@PocketTunawell now it is lol

[@IsaidKTA]

It's sad that at first glance the players already have a better alternative than what spent months planning. At this point they cant be mad when asked if they play their own game.

[@PocketTuna]

Honestly...yeah lol

[@ultimatelobato]

i dont know why seems like bungie tends to hate titans

[@PocketTuna]

Not many people there play them lol

[@kozilekshadow3470]

I have played the destiny franchise for a while. Now i might be wrong about the name of the season's but i had stoped around when the white tree was a plot point on titan with the worm god i think and "restarted" i think at shadow keep. But i had fun with the base titan loadouts they all had a unique way of playing between void, solor and ark and i still had fun at that point but as the time passed and i keep playing more and more titan i started to see some changes that i wouldn't of put into the game like most of the nerfs but would have reworked them l. But i have no idea how it like to them and what they need to do. I might have lost me train of thought but ever since 3.0 happened i feel like titan has lost an identity as a class i would like them to put some of the old titan abilities back into the game or even add differnt abilities to spice up the game. But i really dont know i love this game and hate it to see just nerfs left and right and reworks few and far between. But im still just a casual just playing the game becuse i like it. If you have something to tell me about this game and why im worng please let me know im not big on getting info on this game and if what i say is invalid feel free to tell me and thanks for reading my rant. 😊

[@ashleylongley1628]

Warlocks lost identity as well. Solar healing nade and healing in general everyone has that now, arc traces everyone has it now, devour everyone has it now. And I very much agree with you as well it really feels like hunter lost the least but I could be wrong I don’t know if they lost anything.

[@SympatheticArsenal]

@@ashleylongley1628 The fact that all classes now have access to certain buffs and debuffs doesn't mean that Warlocks lost their identity. Everyone can get Devour with that one Aspect but Warlocks do it far better and easier, same for Arc Traces. Everyone now can also get Invisibility and Overshields, but Hunters and Titans are clearly better at it. Still don't like how Healing grenades are for everyone now, that seems out of place I can agree to that, but at least Warlocks are also better at this.

[@LonzoGX]

I feel like they should just give us some sort of movement ability so we don’t have to use a melee

[@TyheedStephens]

they did, its called thruster

[@LonzoGX]

😐

[@PocketTuna]

LOL

[@Sargatas]

I think all titan subclasses have to have amount of options that solar one has. Just think about this, solar titan can: play with 3 aspects at the same time using loreley (actually a proper way to use this exotic, otherwise it's useless); be a walking well with phoenix cradle; oneshot multiple champs in GM with a single synthos hammer badaboom; stil having unlimited abilities due to hallowfire heart wasn't touched unlike other heart we all know; buff weapons' damage to the moon with almost no effort. Arc titan can do only one thing: fly to the boss with a rocket and be slammed in the planet core. No ad-clear, no weapon synergy, no any good ability cause all the grenades were nerfed to the point where you need to create a whole build for buffing your one pathetic grenade and be fucked in the ass by your teammates because you haven't weared a falling star cuirass. Damn that hurts. But I think in season 21 things are going to change. I can feel it in my guts.

[@shadowsovereign1656]

If they brought back pre-fix point contact cannon brace i'd be happy. you would become thor without the hammer. And the buff second chance so that the shield throw melee was actually useful. also you forgot the ashen wake build to nuke everything with your fusion nade

[@Sargatas]

@@shadowsovereign1656 if those exotic leaks were true, point-contact will be 2-3 times better (6x damage from now + lightning applying jolt).

[@PocketTuna]

Your description of striker Titan is hilarious and very true lmao

[@PPmannnnn]

Get this trending #SaveTheTitans

[@PocketTuna]

YES!!

[@badgerman1234]

I get that shoulder charge should be a cooldown but the thing is with shoulder charge is one the melee hit registration two damage it pull out in pve is not worth it unless you have peregrine greaves that setup to three the other melee option for titan in pve i dont know about pvp ( i stop playing pvp a long time ago ) is throwing hammers and maybe thunderclap maybe but i saw buffs to throwing hammer for its aim assist and shield throw impact damge buff so maybe be better, i dont know . Have a good day, everyone

[@PocketTuna]

I would honestly rather have nmore consistency with shoulder charge tracking than damage at this point. I'm tired of whiffing it lol

[@badgerman1234]

Agree 👍

[@Lividicuss]

I switched to playing hunter recently just after a frustration point in build crafting and I have to say, its made me realize how damp and dark it feels to play titan right now. Ive found a few point ill list below. Build crafting and armor rolls feel good on hunter almost at all times. No single stat feels mandatory or useless. I can be happy with an exotic that rolls with 15 mobility or resilience or anything. And that doesnt exist on titan where you have to constantly throw out high stat armor with high mobility rolls. Feelsbad man. Another point is one addressed in a lot of videos. Titan has zero class fantasy. Protecting or punching hard isnt an identity. Being a tank isnt an identity. And honestly, being a tank isnt really worthwhile in destiny when the best defense is to just offense everything to death before it can damage you. Strand Titan has felt the best lately just due to how much CC the class can dish out. Makes the class seem more like a MOBA tank with high defense and AOE crowd control. A huge part for me personally is just how one dimensional titan feels at all times with all exotics on all classes. Get in the enemies face and deal damage. Don't think, just punch. Meanwhile, ive been playing void hunter and i feel like i have several different playstyles just by switching exotics. I can be a one man ult generator with Orpheus Rig, or a always invisible last man alive clutch machine with omnioculus, or even a typical rogue assassin with gyrfalcons. Every part of that class works within itself and fuels the power fantasy.

[@shadowsovereign1656]

a good stasis build can do just as well though? and any volatile with void causes so many explosions due to the aspect. solar titan also has so many different options? I believe there is a lack of creativity on your end, because titan is definitely more than just punch.

[@yanisvilla7949]

really an L take. Shoulder charge is a MELEE that isn't tied to any titan subclass, has no cooldown as a movement ability, and can apply a powerful effects on hit. Saying that its a PvE nerf is just a strawman because nobody used it in high end pve content anyways. Also hunters have been putting points into a useless stat for years now and that titans need to for an ability that was busted really just sounds like complaining. This also gives the chance for the other melee options to be used in pvp. no matter how you look at it, the nerf is justified and makes shoulder charge balanced with its counterparts.

[@PocketTuna]

There’s a very big difference between balanced and just not being broken anymore lol there’s so much gray area that everyone chooses to ignore. Half the things you said I even agreed with you in the video. Just sounds like salt because hunters mobility stat is cheeks, which once again, I agree with you on. “Balanced” is a strong word considering there is ZERO consistency whatsoever between any movement ability in Destiny right now.

[@itsjustgusluna6927]

Shoulder charge over tunned... My guy have you seen what well skate and shatter skate do

[@PocketTuna]

VERY true, but also, the average player has no idea how to do that lol

[@jeremiahespinoza1644]

I think it’s a good nerf

[@PocketTuna]

It's opkay, could be better

[@shadowsovereign1656]

Commentary on exotics at the last bit applies to all classes though, all classes only have a few "viable" exotics. Do arc titan melees need to be buffed? Yeah, definitely. But you also have to remember that shoulder charge was never meant to be a movement ability in the first place, so it shouldn't be thrown into the pot with dodge and icarus. Icarus is an ability for a single subclass, shoulder charge is a melee ability available on all titan classes. It's just odd that the whole argument just shifts it to be about Arc titan when two other classes with shoulder charge exist.

[@PocketTuna]

Of course it applies to all classes I have a whole video on it already. Also It either needs to be a good melee or a good movement ability. Choosing neither is wild to me. The whole argument is necessarily about arc Titan it’s just the biggest offender with void being a close second.

[@mtdonlon]

Literally the whole point of the removal of the one hit kill potential was to transition it to a movement and cleanup tool as opposed to a free kill. And that’s according to bungo themselves when the rework happened, so not sure what you’re talking about

[@shadowsovereign1656]

@@mtdonlon shoulder charge was created as a melee ability, first and foremost. If they wanted to retroactively change it to a mobility option, they should have balanced it that way. They can say what they want, but what they gave titans was a versatile tool that was both a melee and a mobility option. Which as a base ability that doesn't require an aspect or exotic, it's pretty strong. Icarus dash is a whole aspect on a singular subclass and dodge is the class ability for hunter. Doesn't really make sense for titan to get a class ability and a mobility option that doubles as a melee, that all you have to do is select in the subclass screen. Not to mention it's available on all the light subclasses.

[@mtdonlon]

@@shadowsovereign1656 I’m not arguing that they didn’t overtune the movement aspect of shoulder charge, but I don’t think forcing any titan that wants to use that movement tool to run 100 strength just to have a reasonable cooldown is a solution. They wanted it to be a more movement oriented ability so give it a cooldown more in line with other movement tools (5 seconds for icarus). And in terms of the hunter dodge, the utility of that ability beyond its mobility is what warrants it having a longer cooldown. It can give you a full melee charge every time you dodge near an enemy or reload your weapon instantly. All SC does is launch you 5 meters in whatever direction you’re facing (after sprinting for 2 seconds) and halts all your momentum afterwards. A 7 second base cooldown regardless of strength tier would’ve been more than enough of a nerf to at least test the waters and see how it performs. But now when I do try to actually use SC as a melee and a hunter simply presses the jump button, my shoulder charge will completely whiff and I’ll get punished by losing 15% of my melee energy. Pretty stupid if you ask me

[@alekov9591]

I try explaining the Titan issues to my friend's and all they say is im complaining despite me spitting cold hard fax (none of them has touched the titan class once)

[@innovation_s6079]

it really isn't even that bad

[@PocketTuna]

I agree but let’s see how it plays out in the wild. Unforeseen variables are the norm once every one gets their hands on it. that’s why it would make more sense to be a little more conservative at first

[@juniz8695]

Titan main here- putting on a cool down like other movement abilities break balance. The only people I see complaining about this change is the same ones who ABUSE SC not the ones who USE IT. Think about like this, okay what happens if you hit a person with the shoulder charge, do you get the same cool down treatment as icuras dash and shatter dive, if you do it will insanely broken. Or make it function like any onther damaging movement tool in the game like the storm caller melee thingy, grapple on strand, hunter suspended dodge, phoenix dive, or hell even ballistic slam and shivering strike and make it deplete on contact or activation. The ladder seem more balance friendly All movement tools in the game requires you to use the cool down associated with the movement tool or insert an aspect and have a cool down for that ability. SC is the only movement tool that in the game that does neither. It has no cool down, it dont deplete on activation, and it take 0 aspect slots. On top of the 0 drawback you get from using it. The other melee abilities on Titan are very potent it's just SC is to powerful as an ability that the others look garbage ( except for shield throw rip void titan melee 💀) Yk something ain't right when a SC isn't used as it intended function which is being melee ability.

[@mtdonlon]

No other melee in the game requires a 2 second sprint charge up, limiting its offensive uses to either a risky engagement method (usually an invitation to take a shotgun blast right to the face) or a chase/cleanup tool. And when your only other options are a throwing hammer that actively avoids contacting other players, a shield throw that grazes a pebble and completely alters its intended trajectory, a stationary melee that requires both a lengthy charge up AND the opposing player walking into it of their own volition, or an aerial melee that half the time screws you over with its awfully slow animation, titans are more or less pigeon holed into using shoulder charge primarily as a movement tool. I’m fine with a cooldown, but not one that requires me to completely respec my builds for max strength, hindering other aspects of my gameplay (intellect, recovery, etc.) just to have a reasonable cooldown.

[@juniz8695]

@@mtdonlon Titans melee have a lot more nuance then people give it. With thunder clap you gotta actively think out the box and anticipate your opponents. *You can charge thunder clap near the edge of the wall and when the animation finish it push your character model in front of the door way. *You can thunder clap behind you and around corners if you flick your camera at right time. *U can thunder clap behind barricade and on release it will push your character model and kill anyone Infront of you. You can also thunderclap through certain walls in the game *Using a gl let's you wombo combo guardians. Hit guy with gl and just tap thunderclap for a kill. *If someone is running from away, you can use the thruster technique and either charge or tap the melee for the kill since thunder clap has 9 meters worth of range. There is a lot about this melee no one knows about bec the default to SC ease of use. Also ballistic slam even tho nerfed is still good. It's used to disrupt guardians by knocking them off there feet which given them less accuracy and it's supposed to be used in tandem with your allies for clean up. It opens engagement for your teammates, you can't just dive bomb it's a squad and kill everyone now. Throwing hammer your not supposed to aim at the guardian model but a little ahead if he's running or to the side of you. It's travel time and slow on release so it will miss majority of the time if you treat it like hunter throwing knife but it's also getting buffed soon. Throwing shield is trash there is techniques for it but I wouldn't bother Shiver strike and frenzied blade are very very very good. I'm surprised and hope people don't catch on to those. You also forget we have the most broken melee if them all..... Knockout💀 that shit op Also exotics that make the above melees better obviously TL:DR- We are not pigeoned hole ino SC. It's just SC at is core is basic and inherently have little cost to effectiveness. The other melees are good but require just a little more effort, thought and finesse to pull of.

[@juniz8695]

@@mtdonlon with 5 or 6 strength next season all you yo do is wait 10 seconds I believe. Bec SC across the board is getting a cool down reduction.

[@mtdonlon]

@@juniz8695 yeah I didn’t bother mentioning strand/stasis melees cuz I actually think they’re pretty solid. I wish shiver strike got the SC treatment for use without hitting an enemy (but more energy depleted than 15% because it’s a much stronger movement tool. Maybe 50%). In terms of thunderclap, yes there are ways to make it work. But when virtually every other melee (across classes) auto aims and/or does most of the work for you, you are hindering yourself by using a melee that requires that much setup and reliance on enemies standing where you need them to when fully charged for the ohk. Ever since I heard about the SC nerf I’ve been hard core training with throwing hammer so that hopefully the buff makes me absolutely cracked with it. But I have truly been feeling the pain of literally no movement on solar titan. As someone who actively tries to avoid oppressive meta stuff, SC was my one guilty pleasure on solar titan because it actually helped me compete with the knockout, jug, Dunemarcher, Antaeus, peacekeeper/immortal etc. tryhards. Figures the problem child (striker) is the one that still has a movement tool regardless of what melee gets used

[@mtdonlon]

@@juniz8695 is it 10? I figured it would scale the cooldown reduction more at higher tiers

[@Ungalo872]

#switchToHunter

[@PocketTuna]

Sacrilegious

[@trewdat361]

I haven't seen a single titan running shoulder charge on arc titan in PvE since forsaken. If anything this is a buff to shoulder charge in PvE as it had its cooldown decreased, but now you can't infinitely shoulder charge for movement, which once again I haven't seen anyone do in a while. You are coping

[@SympatheticArsenal]

You have either never touched Titan in your life or play with your eyes closed, likely both. Whether you're in a Patrol, Strike, Nightfall or even Raid, it's almost guranteed that you'll hear a Titan wheezing past you at Mach 3, spamming Shouldercharge like their lives depend on it. And it's not as if they have any other option, Throwing Hammer is the only other respectable choice, Throwing Shield is simply inferior in almost every way to Shield Bash, and both Ballistic Slam and Thunderclap are one of the melees of all time.

[@trewdat361]

@sympatheticarsenal819 first off i said shoulder charge on arc titan and i play titan as my second main. and from my experience with 2000 hours and rank 11 guardian. i do not see arc titans shoulder charging. thunderclap is pretty damn good for damage and ballistic missile is great for ad clear. so a buff to shoulder charge in pve is great

[@PocketTuna]

dafuq?

[@Marduk-np5gq]

hel no nerf titans into the ground #warlocksontop (joke but trials has been annoying against titans)

[@PocketTuna]

Yeah striker is very strong right now. but after this, probably not lol

[@Eric-tx5cf]

I agree, there is no fun to play in PvE anymore what is the point. Well other class had just much better option

[@kervynd03]

I'm just thinking maybe they'll add Twilight Garrison next season

[@PocketTuna]

HA yeah right...Theyu're too scared to give Titans that much power

[@bloodmoonangel8925]

Bungie killing off an entire set of abilities for absolutely no reason

[@PocketTuna]

They have a reason probably not very good tho lol

[@Soulstealer000]

Nope, I like this nerf. Shoulder charge with server desync is insanely obnoxious and should be heavily limited. For PvE, I don't think it'll make much of a difference. Get speed booster.

[@PocketTuna]

We'll see soon enough

[@bumblez]

why are you complaining about shoulder charge in pve? You're seriously acting like people used shoulder so much in pve that this nerf will completely kill the subclass. You compared shoulder charge to well/shatter skating, why? Shoulder charge is just a melee that helps you move, not a legitimate movement tool. The nerf they did was fine, 50 strength is 9- 10 second cooldown next season, so it's not realistically far from what you were proposing. All of the complaints don't really seem like they have much thought put into them.

[@PocketTuna]

Every Titan I know uses shoulder charge for movement and jumping puzzles in PvE lol

[@KainRampart]

This was a Perfect change and you are dead wrong. I guess you don't really under stand what shoulder charge is. It's a melee ability that does good dmg. So it makes 110% sense for it to be connected to the melee cool down. It was never intend to be a a free unlimited movement ability. i also believe if they did what you want it would be worse. As a warlock you need to spend a ASPECT slot on icaurs dash. Kills so many builds. So that is your choice Aspect slot like warlock or ability slot like hunter, chose your poison.

[@PocketTuna]

Hard to call anything perfect before it’s out in the wild.

[@carswan21]

I’ll say it and I’ll say it again. For PvE, anything that Titan has, warlocks and hunters have better. You want a support super for dps ? Well gives the same amount of dmg boost and healing as bubble, fucking dome you have to constantly step in and out of before it pops like your girlfriends cherry. Dps super? Literally almost all Hunter supers with Star Eaters deal more dmg than Thundercrash with Cuirass, and by a mile. Grenade spam? Don’t get me started. The only thing keeping us afloat in pve right now is Strand which will get nerfed 100%

[@SympatheticArsenal]

Don't worry bro, I heard Bungie is finally listening to our complaints, they're making Titan's 3rd Darkness subclass Super a melee-ground pound. But it's red this time though.

[@carswan21]

@@SympatheticArsenal Oh yeah I also heard that too. It’s gonna be a roaming super like all the other ones right?

[@PocketTuna]

I’ve felt this way for a looooooong time

[@Telesto_Timelost]

Thundercrash with COTFS:

[@wezzy9437]

I think Shoulder charge and other movement tech should be nerfed because Hunters are supposed to be the most mobile yet we're outclassed by crayon eaters with tier 3 mobility and bookworms with tier 2 mobility while I have to invest in tier 10 mobility on my hunter because of my class ability.

[@PocketTuna]

Ehhhh Hunter dodge is Omni directional. Double jump is still the fastest and the most jarring jump in the game with the change of direction. Titan straight line speed is great which makes sense how else are they supposed to close the gap as the melee focus class?

[@trankhoa5248]

You want speed? Go to the gym and get yourself some jetpack. Why the hell is jetpack and fly magic have to slower than just human leg... Hunter is still the most mobile class, i don't know wtf are you saying, look at the strand sub class?

[@DieLoreleiValkyr]

I mean Titans are the tank class? Yeah they die as the same as hunters and warlocks.

[@smol4314]

Im just saying that Titan is the MELEE CLASS, but Hunters have better melee builds but bungie doesnt care and just continues to buff Hunter melees and nerf the 1 movement we had. Ofc It had to be changed but not in that way.

[@trankhoa5248]

@@DieLoreleiValkyr yeah, titan use to be a tank sometimes in solar 3.0 and stasis era. Then get deleted because it makes pvp mess up....

[@andreymavian3400]

What do you need the Shoulder Charge spam for exactly in PvE? To get to the next loading zone faster than your teammates? Your movement suffers that much if you use anything, but shoulder charges? You're literally playing Behemoth in the background that has no mobility tools for PvE, and are doing pretty well I must say. Outside of Dawnblade, Warlocks have zero movement abilities in PvE and the melees are just as weak, same goes for Hunters. The cooldown for Shoulder Charge is reduced dramatically which will allow you to use it as an actual melee more often, you didn't seem to mention that at all (btw all Titan Shoulder Charges intrinsically can stun Unstoppable Champions which is arguably more useful than just being able to spam it around the map to stay alive)

[@PocketTuna]

Don’t know about you but me and friends who main Titan use shoulder charge for every jumping puzzle ever lol

[@Vaultyboi22]

"Give it the icarus dash treatment like EVERY other movement option in the game" Bruh you high? Trappers ambush, phoenix dive, strand hunter slam, dodge, grapple, arc titan slam melee, stasis titan melee, strand titan melee, are all tied to stats. The only movement abilities that arent, are shatterdive, icarus, and jumps. Like what are you on where movement being tied to a stat isnt the norm. Especially when that movement is tied to an ability. Aside from shoulder charge there are no melee/grenade based movements that arent tied to a stat. You're bitching because shoulder charge now, doesnt just work like every other ability based movement in the game, but rather works in a much more forgiving fashion than every other ability based movement in the game.

[@PocketTuna]

It just sets a scary precedent where pretty soon we will end up back in vanilla destiny

[@DemonAbumi]

Literally no one uses shoulder charge in PVE for movement. No one. The nerf is fair.

[@trankhoa5248]

Are you sure about that ?

[@PocketTuna]

That’s…that’s just objectively untrue lmao

[@juniz8695]

It's a poor man's icuras dash at best in PvE. But usually I'm using throwing hammer or thunderclap. I'm not shoulder charging anything over legend difficulty 🤷🏿‍♂️ even if it do stop champs ain't risking it chief🙅🏿

[@_SimpleJack_]

Hunters have a dodge cooldown and solar warlocks have a dash cooldown. Deal with it because it's cheesy and overpowered in PvP.

[@PocketTuna]

I literally said it should have a cool down

[@_SimpleJack_]

@@PocketTuna my comment was aimed at Titan mains who are griping like school girls bud, not directed at you personally

[@trinki8345]

i m pretty sure titan dash disn't fully reload your weapon or make you invisible , also it s a lot easier to get out of situation with icarus that can be used anytime it s not on cd where on titans you have to build up to be able to charge

[@PocketTuna]

@@_SimpleJack_ All good in the hood