Bungie, I have a solution to your exotic problem

I REALLY want to know what you guys think

[@wezzy9437]

I call BS on them playtesting anything, especially after they allowed the immortal smg to exist.

[@PocketTuna]

LOL yeah

[@ExtraordinaryFate]

That's the typical response of someone who doesn't know the first thing about design or playtesting, even if Immortal was way too hot when it came out.

[@PocketTuna]

@@ExtraordinaryFate Are you okay?

[@shadowsa2b]

End game gun is good and has high stats, therefore playtesting doesnt happen? 😅

[@orionthehunter55]

whaddaya mean it works great!

[@ilrathCXV]

I can give them slack for Oathkeepers at launch since it was an Exotic that was meant to work with a completely new weapon type. So it isn't hard to imagine something broke in the process of shipping Forsaken. But, I do agree that if we are to believe that they playtest for that long AND design for that long and no one thinks to say "Yeah this Exotic sucks" is wild beyond belief.

[@PocketTuna]

That's fair. and yeah hard to believe someon made lion ramparts and was like "yeah, this will get a lot of use for the Titan class."

[@empirescorrosion9701]

What they really meant to say was it takes 6-9 months to create, then they release it, WE play test for that entire season, they make a list of known bugs at the end, and take the next season balancing it out. My only proof being, the immortal

[@PocketTuna]

Honestly if they just said that, I don’t think people would care because that’s what it already seems like

[@notsusanna7485]

I’m pretty sure they even said that they KNEW the immortal was busted pre-release 💀

[@thenewseorarek9625]

One eyed mask

[@theezenriarinze9203]

@@thenewseorarek9625 I said the same thing. Ain't no way they tested that helmet

[@dionsweat64]

lol bungie playtesting when pigs fly

[@PocketTuna]

LOL hell would freeze over first

[@Rabavilas]

I think at this point they should try and make a test server with somewhat exclusive access and let the player base do the playtesting so it can be done faster and probably cheaper

[@PocketTuna]

I agree 100% That topic warrants its own video

[@theguywithone]

Telesto. Nuff said Banshee still hasn't fixed that thing

[@PocketTuna]

He’s forgotten how. Sad times

[@theguywithone]

@@PocketTuna probably has the worst memory for an Exo in history.

[@kadarak1]

The only "playtesting" (if you even can call it like that) they are doing is checking if exotic ability is working AT ALL and as close to intended as possible. It's hard to believe that they actually test them to look for bugs and glitches that make them either extremly op (and disabled for who knows how long) or extremly underwhelming and the only reason to get them is to have them in collecting "just in case".

[@PocketTuna]

Yeah that’s the sentiment I’m getting from everyone. It seems…odd…

[@SympatheticArsenal]

Completely unrelated to the drama, I've uninstalled Destiny about 3 weeks ago and outside of the Destiny vids KZbin recommends I haven't thought about the game once in my daily life. Fast forward to yesterday, I had a semi-lucid dream where I was locked in my chair unable to move while my PC opened by itself and launched D2, and started playing by itself while I was watching for what felt like a very very long time. Woke up today feeling very heavy and exhausted, checked my Steam library to see that D2 is indeed still uninstalled. Quite the weird experience.

[@PocketTuna]

That’s CRAZY lol but in some weird way I relate to it lmao

[@kaifps7639]

My issue that i see now is that the long wait time could be due to overflow of work. Like if they are going by the time standards in their post then in order to make an exotic you need to plan a year in advance. So you can release your seasonal exotics on a 3 month rotation. So more than likely the final months before season launch are bug testing or just flat out working on other exotics. And i know im talking about a weapon but its still an exotic. But with the armour i can understand the timeline being right because it takes them almost 2 fucking years to release a new expansion and we all know they will only release new armour in expansions now. To which shit will still be broken on launch. Great vid, you just got a sub from me.

[@PocketTuna]

Yes I was thinking the same but I didn’t bring it up in the video. They might be conflating the overflow of work with their process of play testing. Which kinda sucks and I feel bad for the devs but also don’t say stuff like this and expect the player base that knows better not to raise an eyebrow

[@Zd0g119]

Its Ok because Sunshot is perfect and mask of the quiet one has the perk of drip

[@TheRealJohnux]

I think they made a few typos. Everytime they wrote "months" it should be "weeks" if anything. Also, remember their trainstation metaphor. Our focus is to send out trains fast, it doesn't matter how good the Quality, it just needs to be good enough to be send out on time. They don't care about the quality or polish of the product they deliver. They never will until people stop buying their shit on release.

[@PocketTuna]

Sad but true. Lightfall is the perfect example

[@jamessuns123]

Your telling me they sat in the office for half a year and came up with the idea of point contact. I’m sure half the community can think of better ideas in three minutes

[@PocketTuna]

Lmao seriously. It’s a weird situation where almost everyone is in agreement, it’s unprecedented lol

[@notsusanna7485]

You're telling me someone play-tested Borealis? And said "yeah this is a good weapon."?

[@PocketTuna]

lmao no way in hell

[@Fenyxclips]

That time to playtest a new exotic that ends up broken and/or buggy and then killed? A majority of Exotics are straight up useless (Oathkeepers) or just outright crap. Biggest surprise from the armour buffs/reworks/nerfs is that Mask of the Quiet One didn't get anything to make it stand out more. Only ever using three exotics while the rest gather dust. And that's just Titan!

[@PocketTuna]

I’m surprised the aeon exotics haven’t been touched in a while

[@Fenyxclips]

@@PocketTuna They do deserve something to make them a bit more viable outside of just heavy in endgame content.

[@Lividicuss]

I really don't buy the statement unless it implies that the 3 to 4 months of work ACTUALLY means that they have the idea kicking around in limbo for 15 weeks until someone just shoves it into the game the night before its due. Theres no way someone sat and played half the titan exotics and was like, "yeah this is fun!". The ugly new statis helmet, no backup plans, and the cannon pointbreak all come to mind.... Who were these designed for? They make no sense in any kind of build for their subclass and really just seemed like half baked ideas turned in minutes before the due date.

[@PocketTuna]

That’s exactly how it feels very well said

[@notsusanna7485]

The Titan exotics look so damn cool too. Unfortunately 90% of them are just “make thing do different thing” in a meaningless way, like making fusion grenades explode on impact. It’s either that or comically powerful because it’s not in the meta so no one has figured out how broken it is

[@HatTrickzTV]

Them jokes in the beginning were crazy....subbed

[@PocketTuna]

lmao thank you

[@HatTrickzTV]

@@PocketTuna np lol keep up the good work

[@Freedom-kl8rt]

they don't test anything, we test for them since the game came out and support their shit..

[@PocketTuna]

I definitely feel like a beta tester at times lol

[@Sargatas]

When was the last time bungie just told us the truth or admitted that they were fucked up? I can't even barely recall such a thing. They always come up with another and another and another excuse in a pathetic attempt to cover themselves for their fault. There is always some guilty one, always some scapegoat or they just say something like "Sorry, it doesn't work, but we are hardly working, it's very compicate process, we need a half-year to fix one bug, it's true, believe us please...". For me it sounds like that Varric's phrase from dragon age 2: "It's not me, it's one-armed bandit!" Which is most likely cause their problems, bugs and simply not working things comes from SUCH a random sources that I don't even know what else I can say... I swear the god, I played crucible yesterday and I witnessed a wierd shit: I moved with normal speed while sprinting I couldn't accelerate myself and couldn't jump, in addition to that my sweet business turned into a usual 360 auto rifle, it shot with broken spin animation, dealt 36 damage to the head and had 32 rounds in the magazine as normal 360 autos do. How does this shit even exist in the game? I just hate people that make excuses for every fucking fail. Just admit you're fucked up and really try to do something to correct your mistakes, why is it so hard to do? I tell you: if bungie will not make a cooldown to new hunter clone aspect in pvp and everyone will start running radiant dancemashines messing up the radar to the point where it thinks that you face 20-30 people and turning the map into a mine field...I will completely make sure that NO ONE tests NOTHING in their game. Because it's so obvious that only a mindbroken plant can't come up with it. By the way, what do you think about new titan melee that have 5 charges and fires 3x more bolts per shot then warlock one?)

[@PocketTuna]

The new Titan melee is wild and I’m willing to bet it’s going to get nerfed almost immediately lol

[@Sargatas]

@@PocketTuna honestly, I don't know which situation in pvp will happen more often: titan will demolish someone from the other side of the map, or titan will be demolished in the very moment when he leaps to the air) In pve though it seems to be very potent with synthos and artifact mods (which are beautiful in arc and strand)

[@ExtraordinaryFate]

Imagine being so upset. Take a break my man. Oh, but you'll get upset at that too.

[@PocketTuna]

@@ExtraordinaryFate huh?

[@shadowsa2b]

With examples like oathkeepers and eternal warrior, I think its much simpler than that. Its not about bugs, or under performance, or unpopularity...It's that with so much else on Bungie's plates lately in this game -- new expansions, new planets, new subclasses, light 3.0, the armor mods overhaul, as well as basics like seasonal content, new weapons each season, and sandbox balancing, etc etc etc -- making a few lack luster exotics that are far from central to the game's core play more interesting, was so far from being a high priority that they didnt merrit zeroing in on individually until Bungie was finally able to dedicate the time to do a massive reexamination of exotic armors across the board as they have done going into season 21. Wheras something that is overperforming so heavily no one uses anything else especially in pvp, usually demands and warrants more immediate attention; even if that means nerfing it into the ground until it can be properly addressed later, ala PCCB. Im not saying this to justify Bungie's approach or to say its good or even that its bad; simply that it appears to me to be what is.

[@PocketTuna]

I agree and if that’s the case their process needs to be heavily examined and changed to stop this cycle for something more efficient. I’m sure it’s starting to wear on them and it’s also starting to wear on the player base

[@shadowsa2b]

@@PocketTuna within Destiny 2 itself, we're kind of coming out on the other side of this larger season of overhauling everything. Im sure Bungie still has plenty of projects, plenty of irons in the fire...but maybe their work load can shift back towards maintainance and balancing as they no longer need to be reimagining core game mechanics

[@PocketTuna]

@@shadowsa2b I believe this to be true aswell, let's hope!

[@angelousmortis8041]

Counterpoint: Newer Underperforming weapons and armor get fixed within a few seasons. Things like EW and Oathkeepers have been in the game significantly longer without being touched.

[@shadowsa2b]

@@angelousmortis8041 under performers draw less attention than things that break the game or dominate the meta. So if their correct performance just happens ro be underwhelming, then it gets back burnered

[@stasis760]

i wish destiny did pts's like other games do, but that would probably be hard to do. they have alot going on at all times

[@PocketTuna]

Same

[@yukon2897]

3-4 months of playtesting my ass I know whoever they got testing blight ranger died of boredom

[@PocketTuna]

Omg not blight ranger 😭 hard to imagine someone thought it was good at any point

[@shadowsovereign1656]

Eternal warrior

[@vengeful_asura1382]

Man, how about them new Hunter exotic arms after the shafting that titans got last season...we are officially a joke to bungie at this point

[@PocketTuna]

lololol SO bad

[@theezenriarinze9203]

Ain't no way they play tested One eyed Mask lmaoooooo

[@PocketTuna]

LMFAOOOOOOO

[@theezenriarinze9203]

@@PocketTuna I mean seriously, that helmet had like 5 different perks. Instant health Regen, wall hacks for getting hit, damage increase and overshield, THAT ALL PROCS IN SUPER.

[@badgerman1234]

I believe bungie does not play test nor check for bugs 3-4 to play test that's a lode of junk 2-3 bug checking crap I don't know what to say other than bungie just saying crap to give players a sense of trust or what, but its just crap coming out of their mouth That my take Have a good night, morning or afternoon everyone .

[@PocketTuna]

That’s definitely what it feels like

[@kabriii]

HOIL was bugged (x2 empowered only for barricade) from forsaken to witch queen…

[@PocketTuna]

I feel like after the exotic comes out should be just as important as the time before

[@fragment1296]

I feel like we are the playtesters because dont changes or nerfs happen every 3 months or so? I feel like they take like a sample from some players and change of that at least thats what it seems like to me.

[@PocketTuna]

Not many would be mad if they just said that I feel

[@kebabdevourer8162]

I can somewhat agree on the bug fixing one but I call BS on that playtesting. If some of those exotics were to be tested for at least 2h we wouldn't see most of them in the state they got in to the game

[@ShadowNemesis575]

I'm not gonna say they don't playtest anything but it's definitely alot less than 3 months. There's a laundry list of exotics and stuff like artifact mods that come to mind when you think about "something that makes you question if it was playtested". One that will never stop getting hate from me is second chance and another is Lorelei Splendor. Second Chance was just a basically useless exotic on release (the buffs are ok but most people will still ignore it for obvious reasons) that paired with a rarely useful ability that heavily relies on the rest of your build to do the heavy lifting and sunspots got kicked in the dick simply because Lorelei exists and it still came out busted. Even after all the "balances" it's still the braindead pick for solar titans if you wanna easy ride through everything. Titan is my least played class but I love buildcrafting so shit like this really gets on my nerves especially since the lack of balance as a whole is just accepted at this point.

[@PocketTuna]

You bring up a good point. Also the fact that sunspots were nerfed in anticipation for lorley made little sense. The tick damage has nothing to do with that exotic so idk why it was touched in the first place. It’s REALLY odd

[@ShadowNemesis575]

@@PocketTuna big facts. Shit made no sense to me but Bungie does what Bungie does.

[@neverbeatingtheallegations]

i wonder what they would say about exotic weapons because if i think for a quarter second i can name several. Think about Prometheus when it launched, or quicksilver, or in case of legendaries the immortal or recluse or mountaintop. These mfs out here saying 3 months of play testing then shipping the most buggy and bust weapon with a .061 ttk and 50 meters of range.

[@PocketTuna]

Actually mind blowing to think that launch Prometheus Lens passed any play testing of any kind lmao

[@neverbeatingtheallegations]

@@PocketTuna i know the ttk was 0.46 it had and aim assist stat of 100 and it had ridiculous aim. at least we got a sick emblem to commemorate it though.

[@W34KN35S]

I just recently tried playing without exotics (in PvP) because I’m finding that none of them really help my play style or provide much benefit. Dunemarchers-sliding and speed is nice but isn’t necessary, also it’s getting nerfed Synthoceps- current meta discourages close quarters combat Antaeus wards- requires time to activate and current meta discourages close quarters combat, and I don’t use fusion rifles Feedback fence-meta discourages close quarters combat MOTQO- ability regen isn’t really worth it, health recovery on kills while low isn’t drastic enough Armamentarium- I don’t use grenades enough to justify using it I’ll admit that some of these are just a “me ” problem but personally when I look at other classes the exotic choices seem better. Knucklehead radar and wormhusk and Ophidian aspects are easy choices

[@roby1875]

Use alpha lupi Healing when using barricade for you and your team Plus an additional orb when using your super. Works with any subclass.

[@W34KN35S]

@@roby1875 that was actually my (next)last option to try but I don’t have a good roll on it.

[@roby1875]

@@W34KN35S peacekeepers if you use smgs, helm of Saint 14 is really good and I always use it when I go void bubble in pvp, while lorely did got nerfed it still provides healing, acting war rig for assault rifles( less reloading). Just keep testing and you will find something that suits you 👍😉

[@PocketTuna]

HOIL is very passive now especially after the nerf. Maybe you’ll find success with that

[@angelousmortis8041]

Doom Fangs for the Super Buff is good, used with Shield Bash for Supression and Overshield on kill it's fairly safe and good. If you play with a Team and use Void, Ursa Furiosa is a decent pic for Orb Generation and pre-nerfed Weapons of Light damage buff(40% for standing behind a massive Shoot Through Shield). Similarly, Aeons is *very* good for Team Play as well. Actium War Rig if you like Autos/MGs, not needing to reload can be useful, especially if you just want to make Sweet Business go brrrrr. HoIL is just great Neutral Game, put on and forget as was mentioned. And if you're on Solar, Hallowfire Heart is the same way. Also, if you like jumping/movement based things, Lion Ramparts makes Titan Skating go and infinite sword flying is situationally useful.

[@neverbeatingtheallegations]

Just curoius, you pc or console? Cant tell from the footage

[@PocketTuna]

PC

[@Biomortia]

I always think back to constant conflicts with exotics Bungie has had. For example, how many times Bungie disabled Wormgod Carress over the years, just to not come up with a viable solution and make the exotic total dog shit. I feel like these kinds of things needed to be rectified long ago, but the amount of times theyve disabled exotics that are part of my builds is ridiculous. It just seems so idiotic and unnecessary. With Bungie, there's just way too much afterthought.

[@PocketTuna]

I feel the same

[@patyolo9627]

Cap on the play testing. I just want some D1 exotic armor, they at least had a reason to be used.

[@PocketTuna]

Which ones you thinkin' of?

[@patyolo9627]

@@PocketTuna love the old khepri sting and would love to see don't touch me.

[@PocketTuna]

@@patyolo9627 Don't touch me were dope. I also miss bones of Eao

[@patyolo9627]

@@PocketTuna same 😞

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

There is no way they spend that long on an exotic. At least no way on play testing. I can believe the development time because I am betting a lot of exotics are just idea people slowly work on when they have free time. But half of the exotic that get released you can tell they are broken or terrible within a few minutes of using them. I get bug fixing and balancing aren't the same thing but they are part of play testing. So bungie is telling us a dev literally spent 6+ months on point contact cannon brace. Put it on, said "yeah this is good" and then shipped it? Actually thats a bad example since that one was literally disabled the day it released before any player used it. How about Omnioculus or renewal grasps? When those both came out they were so insanely over powered I don't get how they made it out the door. Or Loreley when that shipped that was OP as hell. Then there is nothing manacles. They literally did nothing when they came out. I mean literally nothing. Maybe that was an intentional joke? Now I actually like them and they are going to be even better next season. There is just no way they play test these things for that long. Development I can believe taking that long especially for something like abeyant leap, gyrfalcons, etc... Things that do more than just buff X stat/damage I get can take a while. But I think whoever said this quote doesn't actually know and they just lied. As much as I rant about the game I do truly love the game but I have been losing faith in bungie over the past year.

[@PocketTuna]

Destiny is my favorite game by far, however Bungie makes it tough to love it sometimes.

[@shadowsovereign1656]

The bigger the game gets the more things they gotta do. Bashing them for a tweet does nothing and might actually just make them want to communicate less.

[@PocketTuna]

Sorry if you see this as bashing. Saw a tweet, gave my thoughts, offered them solutions and didn't insult anyone OR the company. If you're suggesting that no one should critique a product that we spend our hard earned money on then give up now. That's not how the world works.

[@shadowsovereign1656]

@@PocketTuna Not necessarily insulting. The vibe just felt like, "Bungie employee said they do this, but it smells like BS. So they should do this instead." I understand that we all don't understand anything about the game design, however the current attitude towards this tweet is, "You're full of s#!t, you need to actually playtest and bug fix." It just becomes very tiring to listen to this rhetoric, as it has been going on for quite some time. Are there bad exotic designs? Yeah, but that's been a thing since D1 and D2 Y1 and Y2 that we have already been criticizing. And that was when they had the big company Activision backing them. (Yes I understand we have Sony now, but the only resource divested to Bungie from that was the big money from the sale. Sony isn't actively trying to develop the game further, they left that to Bungie.) I'm just of the understanding that if you want to provide solutions or offer ideas, Bungie has an application. Yes I watched the video and understand you're not trying to critique the development, but bug-testing and play-testing is still a part of development. As is shipment of product on time. And delaying the release of an exotic... At this point, the entire community has been given basically 4 new exotic weapons and a new exotic armor every season (every 3 months). The moment they delay or drop an exotic, the community will be up in arms and call Bungie lazy. Either way they get called lazy, it's a lose-lose. We asked for transparency, but the moment we got it we turned it on its head.

[@PocketTuna]

@@shadowsovereign1656 Again, It's just an honest assessment from what I see. 3 months of bug fixing and play testing just to still have an exotic be disabled on release isn't good. Yes the rhetoric may be tired by now but the criticism is no less accurate. It's not good and it has to be known. We pay to play this game, Ipersonally think it is fair. As long as the cirticism is respectful I don't see an issue.

[@shadowsovereign1656]

@@PocketTuna fair enough. I do like that you're respectful. Maybe I've just been hanging on too long, hoping it'll get better.

[@ExplodingMummies]

The sheer amount of glaring, obvious bugs this game has that have been allowed to exist for SO long just makes their statement laughable. 4 months of playtesting my ass. And I also don't buy that bullshit about it taking THAT long to even design the damn exotics in the first place, it's fuckin preposterous... As an example; anyone that has any experience writing homebrew for tabletop games should know how easy it is to whip up a cool concept for a "magic item" as long as you have a bit of imagination. And with the amount of resources and talent they have it simply isn't feasible that it would take them such a long time to make the concept art and finalized models. The only part that could come close to taking that much time to prepare is the actual implementation of the exotic in the game's code, but even then it should not take 6-9 months. So that makes me think the only 2 possibilities are they are either lying, or that they are just tremendously inefficient... Both of which are concerning to say the least.

[@Ax-xN]

Bungie play tests nothing 😂, they release exotics every 3 to 4 months, they say it takes 6 months to make an exotic and an extra 3 months, that math doesn't even make sense, amd lets say they pre plan everything, which they do, for example seasons are pre planned but wre still the same, these devs and bungie especially lie about everything, they literally keep the game offline for broken glitches and buffs every month

[@PocketTuna]

The math aint mathing

[@Ax-xN]

​@@PocketTuna never does with bungie