A Chat with Bill Corbett - MST3k, Criticism, and CinemaSins

RiffTrax reached out and connected me with Bill Corbett to talk about CinemaSins and riffing in general - enjoy!
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[@quleughy]

Ultimately, it IS the inaccuracy of their nit picks that kills CinemaSins for me. I have trouble watching CinemaSins, not because I don’t find it unfunny, mean-spirited, or nit-picky. I always knew CinemaSins was never meant to be taken seriously, and it’s just a silly way to kill 10 - 20 minutes. It’s the fact that they don’t care to get their facts straight. I mean, what’s the point in watching someone humorously nit pick a movie if it’s not actually addressing what’s happening in the movie? That’s not funny; that’s not enjoyable. Anyone can fail to pay attention to a movie and construct unfair criticisms about it afterwards.

[@greygale]

quleughy Bill puts it pretty well - sometimes, it's hard to riff on a movie because it's just a genuinely good and enjoyable film, and there's not much to make fun of. At that point, you can either try and lean a bit more towards playing with the movie and making jokes around it... or you can just start inventing things so you can mock them. Cinemasins has a bad habit of doing the latter.

[@ShinobiPXO]

Yet plenty of people call them wrong on "everything" they say, even the stuff they are accurate about. Bob is no exception to this, as many times in his own videos, he doesn't adequately explain why Cinemasins is wrong for a certain sin or he ends up intentionally ignoring what Jeremy even said, like he does in his Avengers Civil War video. Maybe that's a play on "getting things wrong" thing, but that kinda defeats the purpose of even calling Cinemasins out. Bob doesn't go through *all* the sins they say, becasue some of them are actually correct. It's just pure laziness to say, it's always wrong. It's the same as people going on and on about that stupid"lap dance" gag, which Cinemasins hasn't even been doing consistently for like 3 years now

[@ShelledHandle]

quleughy This, the moment I learned that a lot of the sins are wrong or made up I stopped watching and never looked back. There is zero point to the videos after that if I can't be sure if a point is bullshit or not.

[@ShinobiPXO]

+Reguar Teller So, if they get even one "sin" wrong, intentional or by genuine mistake, which they have admitted to, it invalidates everything else they said or may say in the future? By that same logic, when Bob get his counter-sins wrong(and yes, he has done that in some of videos) doesn't that mean everything Bob said bullshit by the same stretch of the imagination? Or do you only care if someone says Cinemasin is "always" wrong?

[@fredericabitch3983]

What part of satire do you not understand? It's your opinion not everyone is going to like it.

[@johnlime1469]

What I learned from watching this is that making parodies, criticisms, or even commentaries looks _fucking hard_ . MST3k had to watch movies 9 times, pre-write jokes, field test them to see if they feel natural when spelled out, etc. This is like....much much more intricate than I realized. I guess, since this form of parody involving cracking jokes with movies in seemingly real time is a pretty new type of content in the grand scheme of film history, not many people recognize what it takes to determine its quality and how to do it right.

[@Shades14]

Even for dumb little movie reviews like mine, I watch a movie three times. First, for taking notes, second to go over it again for things I might have missed and potentially come up with new jokes and criticisms, and third for writing the script.

[@JeddtheJedi]

I had no idea about Cinemasins' background until watching Bob's video that explained how Jeremy and Chris both came from an online viral marketing background. Suddenly, the clickbait nature and how little they seem to care about everything makes perfect sense, that they took several stabs at video marketing and content creation until Cinemasins was the thing that stuck.

[@JakobPea]

I wonder if bob went "goddamnit" in his mind when bill started to say cinema sins is doing it to be funny

[@NoahRodriguezShow]

It's fair to say that CinemaSins is doing it to be funny, just as it's fair to say Cinemasins is not funny.

[@blackbird7357]

@@SuperTonyony No, he's saying CS isn't funny, despite their spoken reason "being funny"

[@blackbird7357]

@@SuperTonyony The basic ability to understand simple sentences.

[@CynthiaTestarossa]

@@SuperTonyony we got a angry cinema sins fan 😴😴

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

@@blackbird7357 He hasn't replied in 4 months. I think you won this one.

[@JonKovach]

I loved the chemistry of Mike, Kevin and Bill.

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Jon Kovach They are the modern comedy trinity.

[@alennyoffhowunoriginal.2861]

You know what, this wasn’t the come back I expected but I am so glad that you are back everyone missed you!

[@LghTree]

I love how Bill is politely trying to tell you to get over Cinema sins 😅

[@douglaslopes5913]

Are you ever gonna do more videos?

[@quinnzyker6521]

Bob is such a gentleman :3

[@Mr_Bunk]

I understand that you didn't like the "machine-gun humour" of the first episode of the new MST3K, but I would really like you to elaborate why you seem to have such a severe distaste of the overall season. I mean, just that one criticism from a single episode doesn't seem to be awful enough for the over-dramatic "we don't talk about it" referral in your 'Sustaining Stupidity' CinemaSins video. I'd really like to know, as I like the new Netflix version, and can argue my point of view, if you need me to. Alternately, if your criticism is justified, I can stop ruining MST3K by my liking of the latest season.

[@OttersDen]

TopBunkProductions It's my understanding he's working on just such a video.

[@FullForce098]

If he didn't care for it, that's fine, I think what annoyed me about that comment in the "Sustaining Stupidity" video was that he said "WE don't talk about that" as if there was some consensus among fans that it's awful. All but one of the people I know that love MST3K loved the new season, most people I see talk about it online seemed to like it, im not sure where this "WE" is coming from.

[@Mr_Bunk]

100% with you there, K-Lue44.

[@eastongallegos1272]

...please come back sir...

[@johnwhitehead7693]

Nice interview. Congratulations on finally getting a chance to talk to Bill! I think Bill makes a very important point that is relevant to the problem with Cinemasins: MST3K and RiffTrax include a lot of different types of jokes, many of which are not in any way criticisms of the movie they are riffing. Also, even when they do criticize the movie, they often do it in an indirect way that is entertaining: by putting deliberately absurd dialogue into a character's mouth, for example (as in the Squirm excerpt you used in your Sustaining Stupidity video). This, for me, is the real fundamental problem with Cinemasins. They are often inaccurate in their criticisms/nitpicks, as you have very effectively shown in other videos. Even if they were always 100% correct in their critiques, though, I still don't think the channel would be effective comedy. The problem is that there is nothing particularly funny about someone stridently pointing out plot holes and continuity errors in a movie (at least, I don't find it funny). A greater degree of artfulness and even indirection is required--which is what MST3K did well and I think RiffTrax does well today.

[@bulletbelt97]

glad to see you’re back, man! your channel is great!

[@mistergremm735]

Good to have you back m8 :)

[@zeonscum0079]

They watched some of these films 9 times during the writing process...? To think that there are multiple human beings who've seen things like Beast of Yucca Flats or Fire Maidens of Outer Space more than once (or hell, even at all) is something that gives you pause. R.I.P. Mst3k/Rifftrax crews.

[@wombit]

Where are you man?

[@donet0death240]

RIP

[@brendaajamu7152]

@@donet0death240 yeah I know right like lol lmao

[@brendaajamu7152]

Yeah I know right like lol lmao

[@megaball-ps8tq]

This guy actually tried to rip off cinema sins

[@naveene823]

Can u explain which software and how did you make this video.what technique is this??..it is insanely nice to have voice and show pics of what we explain.

[@tiggerbiggo]

it's most likely to be a program like After Effects, although given how powerful and varied video editing tools are nowadays it could reasonably be any video editing / animation program.

[@GoldenPheonix123x]

Hey bobvids just found your channel and i am just wondering what is your opinion of cinemawins. I find that they took the cinemasins model and made it work really well

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

Nice! I'm a big Bill Corbett fan, too. Good talk.

[@WangleLine]

Your videos were really great, thank for making 'em

[@neilb6933]

Good interview. Grats on getting Bill on the air!

[@TheReapers520]

This is amazing. Thank you so much for this i love everything the 2 of you discussed.

[@foamhead4489]

Hey! Can you do an Everything Wrong with Everything wrong with Infinity war from CinemaSins?

[@theepicoshawott]

I just hope he does some more, he's massively entertaining

[@newginslab6993]

what happen to you?

[@CoinBox170]

You KZbinrs are so lucky to get to talk to your childhood heroes! Maybe someday when I get a following I'll get a shoutout from Bruce Timm or Gennedy Tartakovsky. A man can dream!

[@apetheory7152]

Is Bob coming back

[@jamiefernekees5041]

Compares Cinemasins to Disney, that makes total sense.

[@cappedminer369]

When are you back to doing KZbin ?

[@painhurtssometimes2185]

Did he forget his password?

[@quinnzyker6521]

Cinemasins feels like the gop of film criticism

[@fredericabitch3983]

Cineamsins isn't a criticism channel they consider themselves as "assholes" maybe actually try to do research next time.

[@fredericabitch3983]

They still never said they criticize movies or they're critics and try actually paying attention here.

[@fredericabitch3983]

Sorry but it's not irrelevant and it proves that they're not critics, your argument is irrelevant since you have no proof of what you said and so your argument is invalidated just as your poor logic.

[@fredericabitch3983]

Rose Tico Enthusiast I’m not using any comebacks or anything and that was a terrible tactic if you ask me.

[@jpc4803]

WHAT IS A GOP?!?!!?!

[@jamesproimos]

I STILL watch MST tapes every night before I go to bed (anywhere from 5 mins to an hour). I have this old tv/vcr combo and a cardboard box full of recorded VHS episodes from when the show aired on comedy central and the sci fi channel. I also have found your videos denouncing cinema sins to be HUGELY cathartic as I watched one or two and ended up arguing with the monitor about how wrong the critiques were if you'd actually watched the movie in question. Keep up the good work.

[@TF2Fan101]

You planning on doing more Everything Wrong With Everything Wrong With videos?

[@JBBrickman]

aww I like your name "TF2Fan" great name but not your view point

[@TheAmityElf]

Does this mean more EWWEWW soon?

[@jculver1674]

He should do one on EWW The Incredibles. That was maybe their worst one - none of the nitpicks made any sense.

[@ryangreen6255]

What do you think about Cimemasinssins?

[@TheAmityElf]

I've watched them. They're pretty cool.

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

I kinda feel bad for Bill here. It seems like he came here to talk about MST3K and Rifftrax, and you kept steering him toward talking about CinemaSins. It feels like you didn't want to talk to him so much as use him as a mouthpiece to promote how and why CinemaSins is bad.

[@aolson1111]

I'm sure he'll survive a couple of pauses on his advertising so he can address the topic of the fucking video.

[@John190assman]

Are you gonna make more Gamingsins videos?

[@megaball-ps8tq]

Nope

[@JosefTrejbal]

Holy crap, you riffed Silent Hill? Any plans on doing the second one? As a person who played almost all games and admins some Silent Hill pages - there is a LOT to make fun of (although mostly for the fans of the games).

[@JosefTrejbal]

Also thank you for making this interview, as an avid fan of MST3K, Rifftrax and the retsupurae channel, it was very informative.

[@bobvids]

we're planning on doing another riff of the second sh movie, yes!

[@handtomouth4690]

Is it bad that I thought the movies were actually kinda ok?

[@nhanta9100]

Where are you now?

[@FalloutJack]

All I can think of now... "Void VoidBurger, Void VoidBurger, Void VoidBurger, Void VoidBurder!" Thank you, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

[@UnRealhate2000]

PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON TEARING INTO CINEMASIN'S VIDEO ON BLADE RUNNER 2049!!!!!!!

[@Mr_Bunk]

Shouldn't your parents have taken you to bed by the time you posted that comment?

[@jimllc]

TopBunkProductions Those who watched Blade Runner 2049 don't have a bed time. Good try though.

[@DarkCircles698]

You're baaaaack! 😁😁😁

[@megaball-ps8tq]

And he’s gone

[@The_Jastrom]

Great stuff!

[@gregdubin8316]

omg i know of your friend voidburger from all their question submissions for Rude Tales of Magic

[@FatherAxeKeeper]

please come back and make more videos! there are a lot of recent shitty cinemasins videos that need correcting/roasting.

[@toffeefeathers]

DUde you should make a video comparing CinemaSins and CinemaWins because I would love to hear your thoughts on CinemaWins, it’s actaully one of my favorite channels on KZbin, and I broke away from cinemasins to only watch it.

[@blink182irishfan1]

Omg Bob! This is so good!

[@Hexamath]

Hmmm... No credits for the subs? Guessing it's you Bob. Keep up with the awesome work :ok_hand:

[@subarusumeragikun]

Is this guy done making videos?

[@bo64625]

you have 4 mid-roll ads on this video

[@ThejusRao]

Please make more "Everything wrong with everything wrong with..." videos. I LOVE them. They're so well thought out, and exactly my type of videos which dispell the ignorance that are spread by cinemasins. I subscribed to your channel because of them. Love your videos!

[@FolstrimHori]

Why did you stop making videos? Life got too busy or disinterest?

[@someguy1576]

If you're still alive, please make Everything wrong with "Everything wrong with Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows". If we have to wait till summer, I'll even see if I can write a script for you to work on. Missed nitpick: Drinking Embalming fluid or Formaldehyde can lead to blindness and death. How Holmes drinks it without dying I don't know. Anyway. You did the prequel. You might as well do the sequel.

[@smaoproducts]

Could you do one about The Dishonoured Wolf as well? He brings up good points at times but is too negative and nit picky for my liking.

[@TheOrthodoxClown]

Can you do a everything wrong with everything wrong with one gcn video

[@Daetreck]

Please, please, please do an everything wrong with video for cinema sins' Oceans 11 video

[@MrTbob418]

Luckily I stopped watching Cinemashits a long time ago and something good came out of it. A proper funny and witty content destroying their sad attempts at humor and understanding ANYTHING they watch. I can't believe they have so many viewers who can't see their hypocrisy; have none of them seen the movies in question? Anyway, ty for your videos on them bob ;p

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

MrTbob418 That’s the same with me and Red Letter Media.

[@MisterBubbaMan]

To think this is the same man who screamed his ass off because of rice

[@jamesknox1450]

Yoooo , I NEED YOU TO GET BACK TO WORK, “Everything”wrong with” is still making videos and I just discovered your old videos so this is a shocker to me that’s you stopped making videos like that.so PLEASESSAEEESSESE MAKE MORE OR IN ONE WEEK FROM NOW. Or THERE WILL BE A SWORM OF hate .

[@megaball-ps8tq]

Well he’s gone for now

[@Ianwilson_h8cops]

kazoo interview

[@keyanstoney1742]

Can you text to everything great about

[@keyanstoney1742]

React not text sorry

[@adamkruschwitz7692]

yo I got recommended Cinema Sins from this... What?

[@someguy1576]

Hi @bobvids. I love your videos and it’s a real shame you’ve stopped making them. Particularly your brand of everything wrong with. I would be very grateful if you could add your take on this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKuTp559eNt_qa8 to the list. CinemaSins is ruining a perfectly good movie here.

[@beef3442]

And CinemaWins immediately made up for it

[@LorenzoDoesntExist]

An overwhelming majority of the comments agree that CinemaSins is garbage content for low attention spans. Of course, CinemaSins fans are the ones to dislike your videos because they don't even watch them.

[@mykungfu1574]

I stopped watching CinemaSins because of you👏👏👏

[@megaball-ps8tq]

Why do you love bobvids

[@megaball-ps8tq]

Also this guy is dead

[@Johnny-ux7yi]

Can you make a "Everything wrong with The Last Jedi backlash" video?

[@kniazjarema5809]

Make a everything wrong with cinemasins everything wrong with batman the killing joke.

[@diegoturtle9065]

upload more everything wrong with everything wrong with

[@jeremiahhester6408]

I didn't know people take CinemaSins this seriously. LOL

[@brickster0004]

Jeremiah Hester lol

[@maxhydekyle2425]

That's this guys entire fucking channel

[@panagiotislivanos5533]

exactly

[@hawbuckunic195]

oh look a wild cinemasins sheep appears

[@maxhydekyle2425]

HawBuck Unic Did you only read cinemasins or can you not read at all?

[@BenVarkentine]

I think you take cinemasins way too seriously.

[@Feasco]

so do their fans until they need to defend it as comedy

[@BenVarkentine]

@@Feasco I think you take their fans way too seriously.

[@TheBros2theend]

Jesus Christ loves you, God bless and forgive you

[@CynthiaTestarossa]

I really hope you do everything wrong with cinemasins infinity war when they come out with it. I love all your marval stuff and it would make my day to see them be completely destroyed by you. plus we all know the video will be jampacked with bull shit sins since Infinity war is a damn good movie not without flaws but still a near perfect movie. thanks for reading ^^

[@JBBrickman]

lol click on his channel hasn't posted in 7 months since Cinema Sins Video and boom new video has Cinema Sins in the title xD all he's known for now is hating Cinema Sins so that's all he does now xD

[@JS-ox7lw]

JBBrickman yeah, he’s kind of stuck making that content because whatever happens he’ll always be, “that guy who hates cinema sins.” It almost makes me feel bad for him

[@lordfury18]

he's just trying to create drama thank god cinemasins ignores his worthless ass

[@jjj7790]

This is what the channel of someone not making a living on clickbait looks like.

[@drapesdrapper3465]

Sad isn't it.

[@splash_067]

Ookami inazuma cinema sins are the worthless ones

[@redshogun9822]

For your EWW "EWW" series I have a different suggestion than what you're used to. Do a video talking about everything wrong with CinemaSins' "Everything Wrong With CinemaSins" video, that way your kinda giving them some "credit".

[@JumpNShootSH]

Ok, I gotta ask. I never liked CinemaSins and their what their definitions of sins and satire are either, but this is.. kind of obsessive. I could read the motive of this video already two minutes in. You picked apart their videos, which was interesting. Then you put out "Sustaining Stupidity"-- an analysis of their whole channel. And even though you talk about CS briefly here, it seems like you just invited someone to your soapbox leading them to your opinions on CS. It's noticeably weird how much you talk about them, man. It's been the subject of most of your videos in the past year. I mean it's one thing to be loud about how you don't like the channel. Have at it. It DID inspire other people to wake up to them, putting out their own "Everything Wrong with CS" videos I've seen on the "recommended" tab. But what's the end goal with this? Do you wish they'd just stop? Be better? Respond to you?

[@bobvids]

i wish they'd be better. know that i have another gaming channel that i've been working on, a HUGE video for my silent hill channel 'thegratedebate' that i've been writing, a full-time job, and haven't uploaded a video about cinemasins in months. and trust me, i could. i could really pump out content about their latest nonsense videos, the fact that a cs writer hit up my dm's to fix their EWW videos, and how cs just deleted various videos i referenced in my 'sustaining stupidity' video, like the 'breast cancer awareness month' video and all of their 'before and after movie review' videos. cs is an interest of mine, sure - but i'm over them. 'sustaining stupidity' was meant to be my final cinemasins video, because i realize that by doing so many of these particular videos i'll become just as bad as cinemasins. the reason i talked to bill about them is because talking to bill about _anything_ is, as i say in the video, a childhood dream of mine. i took the opportunity. if that makes me seem 'obsessed' despite everything i've just told you, so be it.

[@originalElctric]

He's a huge hiporcrit he sees where the views come in and he takes it. Complains about clickbait whilst making his own. I've seen plenty of channels rise up because of this. People love contrarians especially when its regarding a popular figure. I personally enjoy criticism as it provides an alternative POV, but it's easy to tell when it's done for the sake of views. Worse part is that people will defend this man and see it as word of god, and any criticism on him will be deflected by both him and fans. Kind of Ironic isnt it?

[@charlessmith8131]

He is just an idiot who thinks he is smarter than them, and is to stupid to understand why their channel is successful so he is obsessed with trying to prove he is better

[@hawbuckunic195]

Elctric "He's a huge hiporcrit he sees where the views come in and he takes it" - Pls provide examples to your bullshit or else do not state it also fix your spelling. "Complains about clickbait whilst making his own" - Where exactly has he click baited again you need to provide examples or else your just talking out your ass. "People love contrarians especially when it is regarding a popular figure. " - I'd love to see these "people" your referring. Also in regards to being a contrarian, Cinema sins strike me as the type of contrarian who opposes a popular opinion for the sake of opposing a popular opinion and not having anything interesting to say at the end of the day ( just look at how frequently they shit out there "content" ) and you can claim its satire but then it is just shit satire because good satire actually has to have a point . "The worse part is that people will defend this man and see it as word of god, and any criticism of him will be deflected by both him and fans. Kind of Ironic isn't it?" - I'm going to assume you haven't been on this channel a lot so I'm going to break it down for you: usually when Bob makes a cinema sins outlining why they are a problem either ( mostly through analysing there video and pointing out why it is a problem) in video comments their sycophants crawl out from under there coming with there butthurt comments ( like your own ) to defend their god with stupid shit like "its just comedy " or " do not take it so seriously " so naturally, we have to reference parts of the video where cinema sins has blatantly been lazy, stupid or disingenuous with there content to prove that they are a problem ( everything wrong with everything wrong with the cabin in woods )even spawning clones of themselves ( looking at you anime sins, game sins and even cinema wins ) . You see the issue isn't that he cant be critzied no no no the issues is that the people who are criticising him are the ones whose response to the criticism of cinema sins is " lol do not take it so seriously" ... and fuking no one is going to take any of you guys seriously enough with an answer like that to give you the time of day instead of just brushing you off as butthurt fans and I've looked through the comments and i can already see the build up of cinema sins circle jerks

[@hawbuckunic195]

Charles Smith "He is just an idiot who thinks he is smarter than them and is to ( grammer mistake)stupid to understand why their channel is successful so he is obsessed with trying to prove he is better" - Are you gonna actually back those claims up. The Burden of proof is on you to prove your allegations also form the way your typing and te content of your post im going to assume your one of cinema sins many yes men known as "fans "

[@televisiontunnelvision3303]

Regardless of whether or not CinemaSins is bad for film criticism, they are a hundred times more entertaining than Riftrax ever was.

[@BIGhappyG33]

This man is obsessed with this channel he says he doesn't like. It's almost like his most successful content comes from hating on something that's popular...

[@RenegadeShepTheSpacer]

That is every movie critic in a nutshell, including CInemasins. Don't try to pretend that Bob is doing something wrong in comparison.

[@wavebuilder14udc75]

@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer not that bob is doing something wrong, but CinemaSins is a unique idea and Jeremey is a legitimate content creator. Why base your platform around taking down someone else’s work?

[@lukew6725]

Ironic

[@fredericabitch3983]

Bob you should try to do some more research instead of a half baked rant on how you FEEL and it's just your opinion how you feel about Cinemasins, not universal.Cinemasins never claimed they were critics and they called themselves "assholes", Also you're taking CinemaSins too seriously and he sometimes point out what's wrong the plot or some minor nitpicks.Try less to focus on CinemaSins and make your own content don't keep dragging it for your own purposes.

[@stereo374]

So this is basically a channel that masks the fact that he can't make content, so he instead talks shit on other people's content

[@artrosemaloca4663]

How does this logic of yours not apply to CinemaSins, in your head?

[@stereo374]

Artrose Maloca I didn't say that logic didn't translate though

[@thatspecialguy3291]

Stereotypical Gamer the irony here is strong

[@stereo374]

ThatSpecialGuy Yes, that is what my channel is too

[@thatspecialguy3291]

Stereotypical Gamer i respect that

[@LunaTulpa]

God I love you, welcome back, and please keep reaming cinema sins as hard as you can please

[@fredericabitch3983]

Yeah lets take views from his channel to be come more popular that's not cute or funny at all.

[@LunaTulpa]

Yandere DataDigger I'm sure the multiple million subscriber channel will be fine

[@Onigirli]

@@fredericabitch3983 That's not how it works you donut, his cinemasins criticism only raised viewership (out of curiosity)