A good ending or more mediocrity? "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Part 6 Spoiler Review & Deep Dive

[@pollutedyouth2389]

The thing about this series is that it seems like someone with a cursory knowledge of Star Wars wrote it (which is exactly what happened). The two minutes between Hayden and Ewen were beautiful. We needed more of that and more MEANINGFUL dialogue between the too.

[@jdstudios1912]

Tbh the duel scene was very cool looking but the slashing of the mask to see anakin underneath felt cool and kinda cheap at once. Tbh I think the rebels vader ahsoka fight was far better.

[@pollutedyouth2389]

@@jdstudios1912 same I wonder what the exact run times of the conversations between battle damaged Vader and Asoka and Obi wan are comparatively. I just felt like there was more history there to unpack considering this is likely the only time they will see each other

[@pollutedyouth2389]

Two*

[@broco1163]

What's frustrating is that, it's totally fine to bring in a writer like that for the big moments. A great writer with a general knowledge of Kenobi and Vader should be able to write some dramatic banger scenes between them. But then you have to bring in a Star Wars "consultant team" to go over the writing for lore breaks and inconsistencies. They can catch things like "Why doesn't the Empire just follow up and investigate Bail?" (which they absolutely would) or "Really, a slap and a trenchcoat?" And that way we can get great dramatic writing and also not break the lore or make silly in-universe decisions.

[@pollutedyouth2389]

@@broco1163 the other frustrating loophole/poor writing choice I can’t shake is why does Obi Wan beat Vader again? The force wills it? I thought he would actually have to do something to outsmart Vader not just straight up out power him

[@cykurosaki1337]

Like most of us here, I wish there was more of Hayden and Ewan. Reva shouldn’t have more screen time than Vader himself.

[@MrXabungle]

I am sure Moses Ingram is a nice gal that is passionate about being in a Star Wars project but Reva is such a terribly written character with no redeeming qualities.

[@cykurosaki1337]

@@MrXabungle I agree, it’s a pity that she was poorly written.

[@Revz8bit]

The protagonist (Reva) should have more screen time than the supporting cast (Obi-Wan and Vader).

[@DinDjarr1]

Reva was a really bad character, it's almost impossible to understand her purpose there.

[@verbalkint4258]

@@MrXabungle she actually isn't passionate at all, she stated in an interview that when she found out she was cast in Star Wars, she really wasn't all that excited. She never was a fan growing up. I think part of the issue with Disney SW is the fact that they keep hiring people, whether it be actors, writers, or directors, who don't really care about SW lore and just want a paycheck.

[@Tirak117]

Owen, Beru and Luke are the only characters that got out of this series not only unscathed but in a better position than before. The characterization of Owen especially makes him a much more sympathetic character in A New Hope and makes his and Beru's death more impactful for the audience.

[@Strongpoint_S]

Yeah, Owen was great. Exactly a type of person living on Tatooine. What is important - they show that Owen and Beru were loving parents while in Episode IV they were shown in a way that could make one doubt it. I hate what they did with the Grand Inquisitor, somehow they made the character less menacing and deep than in the quite childish 1st season of rebels!!! It is quite an achievement.

[@Fangirl2102]

Owen and Beru were surprisingly awesome! I was so amazed how hard they fought, how the risked their lives and home to save Luke.They are literally unsung heroes! Kenobi left Luke in good hands!

[@achaudhari101]

Now that’s good character development.

[@ltsmash1200]

Not really. Given the fact that an inquisitor literally came to their house to murder Luke, why wouldn’t they be more accepting of Ben? Wouldn’t they want Luke to be trained to at minimum defend himself in case another inquisitor came?

[@Strongpoint_S]

@@ltsmash1200 Owen did become more accepting of Kenobi. The whole toy scene was about this. Perhaps he would even let some training if Kenobi would push for it. (Not full Jedi training Obi-Wan meant in the 1st episode)

[@kaisuminski6958]

They could’ve easily fixed the problem of Kenobi not killing Vader by making Kenobi sense Luke was in danger forcing him to leave Vader immediately before getting the chance to kill him. Instead, the writers had him sense this after the fact. Such a simple fix.

[@Phantom-hy2ix]

Obi Wan wasn't out to kill Vader though. The whole point of the fight was to take the focus away from the rebels and on himself. He knew Vader wouldn't be able to help himself.

[@ThisGuyYouHate47]

@@Phantom-hy2ix he was though, he says earlier “This ends here, whether he dies or I die”

[@DBug17]

All of y’all know nothing about the Jedi code. Right or wrong obi-wan always did his best to follow the code. Once defeating Vader, He could not kill him. It was clear Vader was no longer a threat. Jedi are forbidden to commit murder and may only kill in life or death situations.

[@kaisuminski6958]

@@DBug17 I agree. But you also have to think that he is a threat to Luke and Leia, and he wasn’t an “unarmed prisoner” he was very much still armed and unable to be captured. I do get your point though. All in all the writing of the show is pretty terrible to me so this was just another detail I noticed could’ve been avoided.

[@DBug17]

@@kaisuminski6958 at this time Luke and Leia were not threats as he had no clue where or who they were or even that Leia was his daughter (he did not deduce that until he met Luke in episode IV) and even so Jedi Code provides to immediate threats. If Vader was still capable of fighting he would have done the same thing Obi-Wan did to him a few moments earlier. He was clearly not however seeing that all he did was yell obi-wans name, especially with his helmet destroyed and his panel destroyed which controlled his breathing.

[@Strongpoint_S]

If they wanted Obi-Wan to win, they could make the Grand Inquisitor and troopers come to Vader's rescue.

[@johns8596]

Somebody must have afterward because he left vader in bad shape.

[@Lord_Reavous]

Why would they help though? I think they'd try to ascend to a Sith Lord and leap passed Vader. None of this makes any sense story-wise.

[@neocomp92]

Or just make it look like Vader thought he died under the rubble. He already has established a bad track record for detecting life signs. Either way, it was going to make the line "I was but the learner" less sensible.

[@Pandemia616]

@@Lord_Reavous The troopers would follow Vaders orders above the grand inquisitor and even a beat up Vader slaps him with minimal effort.

[@johns8596]

He probably crawled and stumbled back to his ship, got his chest plate repaired or replaced and hopped straight into the bacta tank when he got home after that smackdown. The emperor: What happened to you? Vader: obi wan The emperor: Again you fool. Get in the goddamn tank. And no more with this obi wan nonsense, how many body parts do you want to lose?

[@moshtradamus92]

All nitpicks aside, I really think Owen was amazing in this episode and the actor deserves praise.

[@DinDjarr1]

He was really awesome! But I think there's a problem with the series. I don't remember well, but didn't Owen called Kenobi a crazy old man in A New Hope? I mean, how Owen could treat him this way since Kenobi had such an impact in his life?

[@7oy]

@@DinDjarr1 he just wanted luke to think that so he wouldn’t hang out with him.

[@Straswa]

Agreed, Owen's actor did a great job.

[@AndrewAce.]

Agreed

[@talesfromthejundlandwastes5498]

For somebody that claimed 'Sith Lords are our specialty', Kenobi fails to finish the job all too often.

[@slavsquatsuperstar]

Maybe he meant running into/losing to Sith lords was his specialty

[@lizzkaayako2270]

@ Tales From The Jundland Wastes Out of his five fights with a Sith Lord, Obi-Wan won four of those fights.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

You are right... From a certain point of view...

[@N8TheGreatG]

@@lizzkaayako2270 no he didn't he beat maul not a real Sith lost to dooku at least twice beats Anakin not a full Sith. Lord but let's say he is so that's one and this bullshit fight doesn't count and even if we count it he is 2 of 5 with his last fight against a Sith leading to his death and I don't want to hear he let Vader kill him he would have lost anyways and he knew he would

[@skan5728]

@Neuvottelu Amme yeah, but if he was sure Anakin was gonna die he could at least have put him down

[@VarjoPira]

It is amazing how Disney can get the characters SO right and SO wrong at the SAME TIME.

[@anon17472]

when did they get them right?

[@Rakshiir]

@@Tinker.Studio I think thats my main issue here. There are some glimpses of good writing, some good moments where it worked. But there are SO MANY issues besides that, destroying the characters aside from those far and few between scenes that is so frustrating. So many plotholes created by not caring or not knowing enough (both being a big issue in my opinion)

[@OkMakuTree]

To those who loved Kenobi, I’m genuinely happy for you. But for me? No. The handful of okay - good moments this series produced did not make up for all the shoddy filmmaking, weak writing, and glaring lore issues it created. This is one “rematch of the century” that did not need to exist.

[@warborn_inc.]

Agreed. Over all I feel like this series did far more harm than good to the overall saga....it was completely unnecessary in my opinion. One semi decent episode amidst what is arguably the most poorly written, acted and executed offerings in the SW catalog cannot save this show. I truly hope they do not make a season 2.....and I can already feel a Reva show coming which is a joke. I wish Disney would step away from SW for awhile and give ita rest...but I know they will continue to churn out sub par content and literally bleed this franchise dry.

[@redbearington3345]

I'm not happy for them. It actually depresses me people are this fucking stupid and easy to please. It's a sad commentary on the human race that people can like this.

[@akirathearchibald7958]

Agreed 1000%

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@HectorT52]

100% agree also a surprise to see you here OkMaku

[@TheScoundrelsCantina]

It's either easy or hard to believe how they manage to screw up everything they touch at this point... That's what happens when fans demand Deborah Chow get a trilogy or whatever after watching the 3rd episode of the first season of the Mandalorian and see "a little mandalorian action"... Fans have incredibly low standards in my opinion and disney doesn't care in general because it seems that their main idea is to have a Obi-Wan vs Vader rematch to seel subscriptions and then everything else they came up with was just so that they could get to the "rematch of the century"... sad really

[@mr_h831]

Gee, I wonder why fans standards have been lowered? Is it perhaps because disney cant produce anything beyond mediocre, and so fans are just happy when a cohesive story is told? The bar is so low these days.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Yeah I still just stick to the EU and the original movies, even the best of Disney Star wars can only reproduce one good element of the OT( Rogue one's final act)

[@xminusone1]

Shills being shills. As far as I see it look like a bait & switch. But hey, fans aren't allowed to criticize because if they do they are ist and phobes. I stopped watching anything Star Wars when rian Johnson lashed out at the fans because he and Kennedy can't accept any kind of criticism.

[@b.chaline4394]

That is one of the most accurate statements I've read regarding the current era of Star Wars, although it pains me greatly to admit it. I wish I could lay the blame solely on KK's, Rian Johnson's or some Disney executive's shoulders, but many a fan should look at themselves in the mirror and ask "is this really Star Wars as we want it to be? A soulless nostalgia bait?" I keep being reminded of the briliant Traya line "Apathy is death, worse than death". Gone are the days of the TLJ backlash, it seems that these fans are ready to settle for mediocrity, as long as it's disguised under the veneer of Prequel- and OT-Sehnsucht and not agressively rubbed in their face like what happened in Ep VIII. As you say, it's truly depressing.

[@emperorgizmo3014]

What are you talking about? This show wasn't written by a fan it was written mostly by Joby Harold who is completely ignorant of Star Wars.

[@jonasdiaz8615]

Rebels had a more emotional Vader fight with Ashoka complete with a stronger half mask reveal. Jedi: Fallen Order even proved you could do an Order 66 survivor confronting a conflicted female Inquisitor that gets stabbed in the stomach by Vader, complete with escaping the underwater fortress and using the Force to hold back leaking water. All better directed, written, and brought to life with more time to flesh out the key characters. At least for me, Kenobi tried to imitate these past scenes causal audiences are unlikely to watch, due to disregarding animated content and not considering video games, but executed worse than those prior scenes. Edit: If not with Qui Gon, more flashbacks through Anakin would deepen Kenobi’s emotional arc. The main issue is not doing more with the potential of this story as this could’ve been a more emotionally poignant version of Jedi: Fallen Order with Kenobi and Reva.

[@jman72898]

All I could think when watching was how the Ashoka and Vader duel was much better then this was.

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@jman72898 seriously? This duel was amazing

[@DarrenHughes-Hybrid]

Proving Disney SW is written for a new audience and not all the fans of the past.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Me too, @@jman72898 .

[@steelvader1852]

They missed the opportunities presented to them because they forced in Reva and tried to develop a character completely irrelevant to the characters the entire show is based on.

[@brettpeterson7546]

You’re completely right about how they should have doubled down on Obis trauma. That monologue by Ani/vader at the end is some of my favorite SW material, just imagine if they built to it with the CW bond of the two, the meditation of Vader and Obi, damn we almost had it

[@DinDjarr1]

Many wasted opportunities in this series man! I really hope that Season 2 brings Qui Gon and Obi Wan talking about Anakin and how he could still be The Chosen One.

[@englishlady9797]

@@DarkCharmedFeminity I disagree. Obi Wan has enough contrived trauma already. At this point, trauma and tragedy serve no purpose except to garner sympathy for his character as a way of emotionally manipulating the audience. The sympathy is used to cover Kenobi's lack of flaws, development and character arc. Anakin was a realistic trauma victim who showed symptoms and behaviour patterns consistent with actual mental illness and trauma: with Obi Wan it is just a shameless play for sympathy on the part of the writers. Furthermore "failing Anakin" was one of the few meaningful flaws Kenobi had left. He is now perfect. There is literally no scope for any development with a Mary Sue like that.

[@buskergirl]

If Vader had his own lil ship to go after Obi-Wan, why couldn't the big ship continue to follow the rest of the jedi? Pitch Meeting Ryan will have a blast with this one.

[@EmperorFist323]

Don't you understand Vader was blinded by obiwan. Obiwan stated this to reva in the 5th episode and the GI told Vader they should continue pursuing the rebels before Vader went to fight obi

[@Fangirl2102]

I literally thought the same thing when I watched the episode. They could have split up! Vader on his ship going after Kenobi while The Star Destroyer followed Leia and the rebels. It was so simple and silly that no one suggested it to Vader. And what did the Star Destroyer do once Vader went down to planet just wait above the planet until Vader came back? 🤔

[@lustrazor44]

@@EmperorFist323 So instead of Vader taking his TIE and going after Obi Wan and the GI following the rebels in the SD< Vader acts like a moron with an IQ of 10 and makes the SD sit in space doing nothing so he can get his ass kicked? You realize this makes Vader look stupid, not blinded right?

[@someguy9301]

Also, they had 3 ships. Which completely messes up epoisode 5 of this series. They could have left without obi wan and he could have taken his own ship.

[@jtodd0221]

AND THE TINY SHIP HAD A WARP DRIVE THE WHOLE TIME?! I had to shut my brain off a few times during this episode lol. The talk between the two made up for it for me though.

[@VictoryReviews]

I'll never understand why Lucas Film didn't make this show their number one priority financially and put their top creators on the project. Dave Filoni and Jon Favreua should've had bigger roles.

[@UToobUsername01]

I don't think this tv show is even NECESSARY! So it's not as important as Mando which lets us see other parts of the galaxy and what goes on outside the major film characters. (who let's face it: their story arcs are finished now)

[@WhatAvery]

Seeing Reva defeated at the end, with Moses Ingram acting her ass off, it became clear to me that the show did her and her character dirty. I honestly think she could've been a fairly good character with better writing. But I suppose she still has the chance to become that if her prematurely announced spinoff is better than what we saw of her in this series. Not that it says much, let's be honest.

[@JoRoq1]

At least we know she won't spend her next appearance just running around like a clown yelling "REY!"

[@minabee369]

Completely agree! Moses Ingram can act, they just gave her a character that wasn't worthy of her talents. Her motivations were all over the place Why was Reva even after Luke? It's a shame all the media controversy overshadowed this more important detail. In better hands, Reva's story could have been one worth telling in its own show.

[@jman72898]

I thought practically the same thing. The poor girl actually has some acting chops and yet they did jack shit and made her garbage

[@pspublic13]

@@jman72898 True for Ewan and Hayden as well. Horribly wasted talent just in general.

[@keirangrant1607]

The entire show was bad writing and execution. The acting was very good. It just seemed rushed and contrived and a total Disney cash grab.......which I fell for.

[@stryletz]

Reva was completely unnecessary, her inclusion actually hurt the show as it took time away from Vader/Ben/Leia. She could have been replaced with any random Inquisitor and it would have made the story better by allowing them to focus on other things. And, before people call me a racist or some other BS, I'm not saying she's necessarily a bad character. It's just obvious Disney used Kenobi to setup whatever project they have in mind for her next, completely to the detriment of the story they should have been focused on telling. I know this show went through a lot of rewrites, and God does it ever show, but it seems to me they should have trimmed the fat on the narrative to give a leaner, more focused, and all around better season. Edit: But hey, at least it's better than Book of Boba Fett...

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

My issue with Reva is they didn't write her based on what would be the most interesting for the story, but what would set her up the way they want for later. They could have done some cool things with that character.

[@scottr2279]

Moses Ingram is an ATROCIOUS actor in this partcular series.

[@melkert7558]

I actually think book of boba fett was better. And in my opinion the concept of reva was pretty good, like what happened to surviving younglings and how someone get turned to an inquisitor. But that could probably been a series of it’s own.

[@jman72898]

The Qui Gin bit really annoyed me because I feel he should have shown himself sooner to motivate Kenobi instead of appearing at the end saying “you did a good job” when Kenobi overall did not do a good job lol at least I got to see Liam back in the role though I guess

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Agreed

[@mouse7965]

qui gon being a force ghost breaks canon but disney dont care about that

[@lucasmoura6276]

But the reason Kenobi didn't see his master earlier wasn't because Qui Gon didn't want to appear, but because he (Obi-Wan) wasn't ready yet. It was Kenobi who was unbalanced, as seen during the first chapters when Kenobi is tormented by the events of ROTS. During the series, Kenobi finds balance again by accepting the past can't be changed but you can learn from it and, no matter how dark the galaxy may seem, he could still be an agent of the light and being a true Jedi while undercover. He learns to have hope again and then he can see his master.

[@mouse7965]

@@lucasmoura6276 thats not my point. Qui gon was the first person to learn about all the force ghost stuff, but his journey was incomplete, and so he didnt actually become a force ghost. He only became a voice, but you could not see him. Thats what breaks canon

[@jman72898]

He’s been a physical ghost before even though it was under specific circumstances at the time. I honestly don’t think this cannon break is a big deal since I’m just gonna pretend it’s a special bond between him and Obi wan that lets Obi wan see him. I know that’s definitely not the case and these clowns just didn’t know he can’t be an actual force ghost outside of areas super strong with the force but until they say otherwise I’m gonna pretend it’s yet another special circumstance that lets him appear.

[@moshtradamus92]

I think Reva COULD have been an actual driver of the story in this episode. Obi Wan should have got a sense that Luke was in real danger during the fight and had to choose between engaging Vader again to finish him off (and the risk of dying in the process) or risk Luke being killed by Reva. The "sense" of Luke's life being in the balance could have been the reason why he chose to leave (and in a panicked hurry). I, too, had trouble believing he would let Vader live after telling him that Anakin was dead and the person who killed him was standing right in front of him practically begging for death.

[@MindYaBizz_Whiz]

THIS THANK YOU

[@evertonporter7887]

I did like the Reva character and wished she had at least one fight scene with Obi-Wan.

[@Luke_Marto]

So let me get this straight, reva essentially shows the grand inquisitor mercy with a pathetic stab, Vader, who chopped off a mans head with his own lightsaber AS A JEDI, essentially spares Reva and Obi wan (twice) Obi wan after clearly not learning his lesson on mustafar spares Vader. Lazy ass writing man

[@Luke_Marto]

@@Hakspheenom whole show was more or less a disappointment imo

[@Luke_Marto]

@dflowers30 and as thor mentions, he literally says “my friend is truly dead” then lets him off

[@mr-matt13]

"Then my friend Anakin is truly gone forever. Bye Darth Vader, good luck with all the murdering and galactic conquering."

[@joshleake2520]

They didn't think this through. This was just them trying to play to people Nostalgia goggles. A cheap way to get clicks and views though this show adds nothing to the lore other than giving Leia a reason to name her son Ben, and to add another Disney character in a place of importance. When it doesn't make sense for them to be there

[@keirangrant1607]

I've read better storylines from people making comments on KZbin than whatever those Disney writers come up with

[@turinturambar1159]

The wheezing sound that Vader's life support made brought me back to the first time I watched RotJ. I know it was probably an easy decision for them, but then they seemed to intensify it a bit, tearing at my heart even more. Overall, I share your opinion. Thanks for sharing!

[@jasonsomers8224]

It struck me as cliché considering how often I hear that exact clip played. It's like the stock sound effect for any time Vader's suit gets damaged. Great to hear someone else was able to enjoy it though.

[@okynauaaa]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they also used this sound in rebels in Ahsoka vs Vader fight

[@sivad1025]

The lightsaber choreography was noticeably better here and it was neat to hear Hayden's voice mixed with JEJ's. That said, I don't understand why they insist on having Vader and Obi-Wan talk to each other solely in one liners. The dialogue sounds computer-generated. You'd think we'd get at least _some_ meaningful conversation between the two. Instead of fleshing out the characters, it feels like they're primarily trying to patch up plot holes.

[@moonman8450]

It sounds like dumb fan fiction.... I could predict so many times what either of them was going to say and thats pathetic writing

[@sivad1025]

@@moonman8450 In the originals, it seems implied that Obi-Wan has seen Vader in the suit and at least heard of his reputation, so it makes sense for Obi-Wan to treat Vader in a dehumanizing way. They had an opportunity to show that here, but as you said, they just resorted to dumb fanfiction writing

[@jacob5395]

@@sivad1025 In the EU, Obi-Wan saw him on a TV show. They used his new name and I can see that nobody would know that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, the only way was to review the security footage in the Jedi temple.

[@sivad1025]

@@jacob5395 That makes way more sense than what we got

[@evilsimeon]

Vader has never been a conversationalist. Straight to the point. He isn’t like the emperor or maul.

[@danielanderson6933]

I love the Ahsoka parallel because it means that both Ahsoka and Obi Wan, two of the closest people in Anakin's life, take off two sides of his mask but don't reveal Anakin fully until Luke takes off Anakin's mask when he is redeemed.

[@Nox117]

SoOoOoOoOoO dEeEeEeEeEeEeEeP

[@osio7528]

This is beautiful

[@joelpierce1453]

They ended the series as well as they could have with the setup they gave, but I don't have the satisfaction that comes from finishing a truly well-written story.

[@badbadgr5498]

My thoughts exactly

[@duedilligence5463]

“Oh no our hyper-drive doesn’t work!” Obi-Wan then proceeds to lure Vader away with escape pod and use its hyperdrive to get to Luke later. They had a hyperdrive the whole time why do they think we don’t notice these things?

[@fatherfountain1906]

escape pod was too small ig

[@duedilligence5463]

@@fatherfountain1906 okay but they had two ships originally, let Vader destroy one, and then the one they took they made a big deal about not having a working hyperdrive when it turns out they had one within the escape pod. It’s just so weird to me.

[@Zorkii]

@@duedilligence5463 I don't understand the problem. The little escape pod ship had a hyper drive, yes. But that doesn't mean they could just remove the hyperdrive from a smaller ship to a bigger one. That's like trying to use the same engine from a Ford Focus to a F150, it doesn't work like that.

[@androgyny77]

Leia could have hooked up the escape pods hyperdrive to the main ship, heck I reckon all she would have needed to do is bypass the compressor.

[@anthonyplanzo1082]

Shhhhh you're not suppose to think about this stuff. A 7 yr old wrote this script. Just go with it.

[@igniskitsune887]

My thing about the fight is that it felt like their fighting styles were flipped. Vader is usually very aggressive when fighting and never goes on the defensive as his style is to overwhelm the enemy with powerful strikes to off set them but it’s Obi-Wan who acts like that where he should be defensive not aggressive. Vader acts like he does not care that he is fighting the person who he thinks took everything from him and does not go full out in rage against him. Even in A New Hope, at their age, you can tell who is the aggressive fighter during their fight and Vader is trying to strike Obi-Wan down with all his might. Sorry for the long post but I just wanted to let my thoughts out after watching the fight.

[@minabee369]

No, you make some great points. After reading the Vader comics and seeing how amazingly OP'd he is, Vader should have come at Obi-Wan way harder. Like a true sith he should have been handling his rage into power. Sure we can show a Vader who's not at the height of his powers still he should have overwhelming in Obi-Wan who was weak in the force instead of it seeming like a balanced duel

[@gothicgolem2947]

To be fair in a new hope obiwan did attack quite a bit too

[@darkzak47]

I always felt that Anakin was aggressive, but when he became Darth Vader because of the limitations of his injuries and the technical limitations of his prosthetics, that he had to become more of a juggernaut, tank type figure with less fancy acrobatics and more straight up raw power. Sort of similar to beating on a large boulder with a broom handle

[@sivad1025]

I thought it was super cool to see Obi-Wan use Anakin's signature moves against him. But you're right that it doesn't make sense. It's there as an easter egg for the fans, but it's totally at the expense of the internal logic

[@darthrevan454]

Uhhhh Vader was aggressive at first, he was literally pushing back Obi wan. Not to mention his first fight with Obi Wan he was highly aggressive with him since he was treating him as if Obi wan has been training for 10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if Vader realized he was "pathetic" till then considering he even admits to him that obi wan regained his strength. It was only later when obi wan got out that ditch that he pushed back Vader and beat him. Ill never see the need to hate everything about star wars today. Yes the Disney trilogy is absolutely dogwater doesn't mean every other Star wars content is. If you're gonna form an opinion at least think before you post. Don't be like a flat earther. They don't do any kind of thinking and post whatever hate about NASA.

[@waidixon8965]

According to rumors I heard from another channel talking about it, there was cut content from the fight where it originally was Qui-Gon's voice convincing Kenobi not to kill Vader, as the force ghost still believes there is glimpses of light inside Anakin.

[@misternordberg3675]

That would have made more sense. Also, needed more dialogue there when Vader was defeated.

[@SirDenzington89]

You know, this episode really gave me some feels in parts and I liked most of the show. I thought the Anakin and Obi-Wan stuff was fantastic. Sadly though, the Disney era is summed up by missed opportunities and easily avoidable mistakes. We see the same pattern over and over. Disney frustrates me more than it satisfies me

[@joshleake2520]

Not to mention that Reve's plan to average the Jedi, involved going around and killing Jedi...........like who thought of that? I hate this idea that no one is really bad,

[@lowkey2494]

I watched KZbin videos of that fight and was saddened even more. They actually put some effort (can't believe I'm saying this) in that final fight scene. There were moments that made me say 'damn, this show HAD potential'. The writing was so poorly done that it was tripping all over itself. For every line and action committed by just about every character, there's at least two or three contradictions that cancels it out. Someone said that it's the best poetry of bad writing to date lol, cause it definitely rhymes.

[@w4tkn]

Cant wait to see a fan edit of this.

[@SirDenzington89]

@@joshleake2520 the way I view this show is that there’s a pretty great show with obi wan saving leia while being stalked by darth vader and then there’s this random character that keeps barging into scenes and yelling at everyone and who only expression is a scowl. I pretend she doesn’t exist. She shows up, I think oh that was weird, now back to the show I want to watch

[@SirDenzington89]

@@lowkey2494 when Vader goes you didn’t kill anakin obi wan, I did. I actually got goosebumps and a little misty eyed like a dumb nerd. And yeah that’s the kind of thing that should’ve been happening week after week. Not just at the very last second

[@ChayosSupreme]

I was with you on Leia not remembering Obi-wan when she gets older, but I was reminded of the most awesome teacher I had when I was 10… He was cool, he knew everything and was so much fun. I had that teacher for a year in 3rd grade… A year… Can’t remember his name… Can’t remember the classroom. Can’t even really remember what made him cool. Now I have no problem with Leia remembering him as the hero her Dad sent. At least she knows his name…

[@aphthitos]

exactly. childhood memories are more fleeting than people think. I had role models in primary school - can't remember their names or faces now, would be very formal with them now if I had to contact them now and ask for anything.

[@greyworld6242]

Reva had absolutely no reason to want to kill Luke other then to force a redemption arc.

[@MrSubstance]

Apart from revenge for killing her family / childhood friends?

[@ltsmash1200]

@@MrSubstance She doesn’t know there’s any connection between Vader and Luke/Leia. All she knows is Obi Wan knew Bail Organa at some point so she figured if she kidnapped Leia, Bail might get Obi to come out of hiding. Then when she finds out about Luke all she knows is that he is important to Bail and Obi. So she is seeking revenge for Anakin killing her friends by killing a random (as far as she knows) kid who is important to Obi Wan because Obi Wan was on a mission and not at the temple to save her when Anakin purged it? That seems pretty convoluted…

[@authorjoannawhite]

The beautiful thing about repeating the Ahsoka mask thing was the symbolism with it. That the two people closest to Vader broke him but it took his son to fully break through to him. They weren't enough to save him but Luke is. It makes 6 more powerful. Ahsoka took the right side of Vader's mask off and Obi did the left. Each did one half and saw Anakin inside and yet they couldnt save him. Luke was the one who got his mask fully off and brought Anakin out. It's such a beautiful ending and justifies itself by showing Ewan and Hayden together again and giving adults like me who grew up with the prequels (grew up with Hayden and Ewan and Natalie like OG fans did with Mark, Carrie, and Harrison) a continuation that we never thought we'd see again.

[@englishlady9797]

I disagree. I don't think there was any symbolism to this scene at all, nor was it thought out. They literally just copied the Ahsoka fight from Rebels. Its also stupidly inconsistent: in canon breaking Vader's breathing apparatus would literally have killed him within minutes. That's why he died in ROTJ: now thanks to Disney his breathing apparatus can be broken every 5 minutes and his helmet is apparently made of single layer plastic? Like really? In ROTJ there are two seperate parts to it, and Anakin cannot breathe, speak or see properly without it. I notice that the scene also oh so conveniently absolves Obi Wan of lying in ANH, even though it is not objectively true that Vader killed Anakin.

[@siiir1322]

The camera and how the fight was shot was a solid 2/10. I really dont understand what the hell they are doing at lucasfilm/Disney. Atleast the acting from ewan and hayden was AMAZING

[@chasehedges6775]

The acting in general was pretty ok. The girl who played Leia is just adorable

[@wifine1951]

Finally, somebody except me notices the choreography being horrible and just shaky cam to heighten up the tension

[@cmd31220]

Seriously. It shows just how cheap and misguided the whole thing really was when the best part of the entire series was Ewan and Hayden just TALKING for a few minutes

[@-extriisive9665]

no lie Kenobi beating Vader in this reminded me of how Rey beat Kylo in the force awakens. someone who's been training for years loses to someone that hasn't been training at all for years or in Rey's case never at all.

[@gothicgolem2947]

Geez…l., i thought that fight was awesome

[@devinmcdonnell]

I feel like you might be missing the idea behind Obi Wan and Luke's conversation on Dagobah - and I can't blame you, I struggled with this for many years. It wasn't until a long conversation with my cousin that we worked out that maybe Obi Wan really isn't suggestion Luke kill Vader at all. As with anything, it requires a change in your perspective, a change in the way you interpret the scene. You know, looking at it "from a certain point of view." If you revisit that scene, Obi Wan never actually suggests Luke kill Vader - he only explains that he must confront him. It's Luke who replies "I can't do it Ben, I can't kill my own father," and Obi Wan responds with "Then the Emperor has already won, you were our last hope." He seems understandably disappointed, but I don't believe it's because Luke won't Kill Vader. I think he's disappointed in that Luke only sees one option - killing Vader. He's disappointed that Luke fails to see that confronting Vader doesn't necessarily mean killing him. That he's the only hope in turning his old friend back to the light side and restoring balance to the Force. As he states in A New Hope, "there are alternatives to fighting." Yoda eludes to this in the scene earlier in that the final test for Luke is confronting Vader and that this test will determine if he is truly a Jedi Knight. Neither Obi Wan nor Yoda ever suggest killing Vader, only confronting him. And as Luke is still learning, he hasn't yet seen that there are other options other than killing him - and that these other options are truly what it means to be a Jedi. With this in mind, you could interpret that what you're seeing from Obi Wan is disappointment and frustration that Luke fails to see this. Now as with anything, this is merely an interpretation, but once looking at it from this point of view, the scene finally started to make sense for me.

[@amenoyoni]

A very thoughtful interpretation. I have never looked at this conversation from this perspective. Thank you.

[@darthtroller]

I hadn't caught that, but I still knew that Obi-Wan was telling Luke whatever he needed to hear to go and do what he has to do, as a Force Ghost in a non linear time, he should know what happens anyway

[@edwardparker861]

I felt that every good moment this show managed was outweighed by several bad ones. I wanted to like this, I really did. This was mediocre at best, when it should've been a grand slam.

[@drumlessons833]

I give it... a D+

[@chasehedges6775]

Sooo true. There were some things I like: Some of the acting was good and the performances were definitely decent but overall I was underwhelmed

[@chasehedges6775]

@@drumlessons833 😂😂💯💯💯

[@anon17472]

They had Ewen MacGregor and Hayden Christenson, actors on a level much higher than we usually get in Star Wars, and they weren't up to the task to utilising them. It baffles me that they continue to hire such poor writers, there's a dozen better suggested scripts just floating around on YT

[@fatbuckrto8371]

"Struggles to justify its own existence." From a narrative standpoint, absolutely. That said, for all its faults, they got me. I was straight choked up at the end, with Obi-Wan's final acceptance of Anakin's "death," his words to Leia, meeting Luke. It may have muddied the waters of the story a bit, but I think it worked well as a love letter to fans (especially prequel fans) and an emotional (at least) bridge between the prequels and the OT.

[@GoldeneyeDoubleO7]

At this point, I can't just look at this episode on its own. I have to look at the whole season now that it is over. Overall Obi-Wan Kenobi has been disappointing. My feelings coming out of this are similar to my feelings coming out of each of the sequel movies. There are too many contrived moments that happen without any logic, so many missed opportunities that would have elevated this project, and lots of hype from the fans and Lucasfilm that never really paid off.

[@achaudhari101]

Unlike the Sequels there is some merit here with this show even if it’s not perfect. At least Obi Wan is back to his former self again.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

It's one big train wreck honestly and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. These hack writers haven't even seen all the movies and don't respect the lore

[@thegeneral8742]

While i did really enjoy the duel, this series has introduced so many plot holes and inconsistencies I have trouble keeping track of all them. As George Lucas would say “it boggles the mind”.

[@kub5615]

The worst part is that the thing that "why the empire wont arrest Bail, knowing damn well he has connection to Kenobi"

[@stevenle9960]

That part I can justify because this is before they dissolve the senate. The grand inquisitor was pissed at Reva for kidnapping a senator's daughter so clearly the senate has some power still. The moment the death star is made palpatine dissolves the senate and blows them all up

[@kub5615]

@@stevenle9960 well they can just create an "accident" and say the rebels sabotaged his ship claiming he died, but actually have him captured. Vader would not care for the law if it meant caching Kenobi.

[@jimberjamber8540]

There was no need for this to be a 6 episode mini-series. I feel like the writers are just trying to fill up time with nonsense because they don't have a whole lot to work with. If this was more tightly condensed It could've been much better.

[@tux75]

The mix of Hayden/James voices are so well done. Vader's voice changing back and forth is badass and heartbreaking at the same time

[@BrezzyBoi33]

Was already done better in Rebels, so it was a snooze fest

[@GrievousReborn]

@@BrezzyBoi33 well good for you but I didn't watch Rebels and I never will because I think the art style is shit

[@ViceArancibia]

that was the best for me

[@you_define_me9924]

@@GrievousReborn I did not like the art style either. I watched it anyways and very glad that I did.

[@cjav7287]

@@GrievousReborn That's fair, I guess. IMO Rebels is a fantastic show that enriches the Star Wars lore, and I think you're really missing out if you're only judging it by the art style.

[@hugowalker8964]

You’re so right about lack of tension with the characters having to survive. So, I completely agree with a more introspective on Kenobi. His grief his force ghost training… Vader should have lost and then be left for dead. Then the line in Return of the Jedi: ‘and now his failure is complete’ would have an added weight because Kenobi failed to kill him twice. And the: ‘Now I am the master’ line too. And Vader, now more angry than ever with Ben and having given a promise to the Emperor to find and kill him… He then just let’s Kenobi chill in Sand Land for 10+years until A New Hope…

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

For me, too much of this series is made up of moments/scenes/stories from previous content but that content was better. There's obviously aspects of Jedi: Fallen Order here, but the game was better. The Vader/Ashoka fight in Rebels was better and more emotional. One of the problems with Disney's ownership of Star Wars is that previous content is just better.

[@Darkanent]

The series didn’t need to be made. My exact thought when it was announced was “Why?”

[@darielemiliosevillabueso4558]

i thought it was mid. Liked the fight itself but hated the whole reva psrt and the mask thing just made me think they were ripping off rebels

[@nightwish1453]

and that scene in rebels may have had a better execution as it was more simple and straight to the point, far less dialogue interaction in comparison but it's like that one scene in ROS where no dialogue displays more emotion than it without

[@lukescrew1981]

Yeah but rebels was shit

[@lordtouchme5417]

@@lukescrew1981 revels at worst is a 6/10 show mediocore. Kenobi is just garbage

[@t_bone12571]

Funny how Yoda was never mentioned since he was regarded as "the Jedi Master who instructed" Obi-Wan, how else would he be able to commune with Qui Gon without the training Yoda promised Kenobi? Even on Dagobah Yoda could have talked to Ben through the Force or Kenobi could have paid the Jedi Master a visit in person.

[@GabiBrooks]

Like Josh from Den of nerds pointed out..it feels like they had these few well established points they knew they wanted to touch upon and then they were like..ook we have to make these characters do something to get to these points. So yeah, a meh overall.

[@Ryan-mech-muffin]

My main issue is still: How the heck is this Vader being an apprentice and Obi-wan being the master? Their positions have completely changed! There's no excuse for how canon breaking this is! Not even the original trilogy is sacred anymore to this greedy corporation...

[@anakincrywalker8904]

I completely agree with your assessment here. Overall Kenobi was a mixed bag for me, and I really struggled with why he didn’t kill Vader.

[@theswagunicorn1431]

Even if though he thought Anakin was gone and he was pure evil at this point, the jedi do not kill. Anakin knew he shouldn't have killed Dooku, Obi wan didn't kill what's his face when he had Satine at gun point. Kanaan didn't want to kill the Grand Inquisitor even when he thought Ezra was dead. Ezra didn't want to kill the Inquisitor in twighlight apprentice even after Maul's influence.

[@DigitalVanquish]

@@theswagunicorn1431 The hell was Yoda trying to do with Sidious? Give him a hug? Jedi kill all the time. Obi-Wan thought he killed Maul, and was willing to again - doing so years later.

[@hk1371]

@@theswagunicorn1431 yet Obi Wan killed Darth Maul and Mace killed Jango. Vader was seriously hurt, I know, but he was just as dangerous. You could argue in Revenge of the Sith that Obi Wan emotionally couldnt bring himself to do it. But here? Theres no reason

[@RoninAM]

Especially since he wants Luke to fight Vader anyways in the OT.

[@VerdantJedi]

Bella Goth lol.

[@VesperOne]

reva was happily and indiscriminately killing lots of innocent people up until that point. if her only goal was to get to vader and kill him, why didn’t she do that earlier when better opportunities existed? all the while showing zero remorse or hesitation to kill or torture anyone in her way. i don’t think her deciding to not kill luke at the end should even come close to redeeming her, she has too much blood on her hands.

[@RawBerserker]

I think I end the series with just one big........ *sigh*

[@connorio2474]

They should have had Reva die off in front of Kenobi when she finally redeemed herself. It would have made more sense of her dying along with the secret of Luke. Her surviving that stab without being completely consumed by the dark side makes no sense.

[@lukedevlin5948]

can’t have reva show if she dies cause can’t be making a show about her killing jedi. she’s a strong merciful woman of colour

[@evertonporter7887]

@@lukedevlin5948 Thank God I can put on my poker face when someone plays the race card.

[@buskergirl]

I thought Quinlan would show up, after that name drop a few episodes ago. But I'm glad he didn't, for his own sake.

[@chronica6457]

Obi-Wan thinking primarily of Leia during the Vader fight, despite in the wider context of the Series him and Luke's relationship being MUCH more important(even if yes, they hadnt yet officially met at this point) was really funny to me Also, I hated the "Hello there" scene lmao. They turned what could be an interesting and meaningful first meeting between Obi-Wan and Luke into a simple "Say the line, Bart" moment just for some bonus meme points

[@j.a.l3287]

I see your point, and I had the same thougths. But lets not forget that interesting and meaningful meeting and interactions with Luke already exist (for us) and will happen (for them) , it's called Episode IV "A new Hope".

[@JoRoq1]

“Hello there” was the signal that he was back to being who he was before Order 66, and was on the path to be the man Alec Guinness gave us. That was actually good writing, one of the few shining moments, as they had deliberately avoided the phrase the rest of the series.

[@chronica6457]

@@JoRoq1 we could see it that from his scene with the Organas thoigh. We didnt need a "signal", it was very easy to tell

[@IamStrqngx]

Vader finally had the High Ground and didn't seem to know how to use it.

[@Adam_X78]

Because it belongs to Obi-Wan

[@AmericanImperium1776]

Because Obi Wan is spiritually to the High Ground, it only obeys him.

[@ribottostudio]

nah he knew exactly what to do with it. BURY OBI-WAN WITH IT lol

[@drumlessons833]

He underestimated Obi-Wan's power

[@PuRe_AdDicT]

@@drumlessons833 He was the chosen Wan

[@iceyDful]

The Kenobi series gets a 4/10 for me mainly because of cool Vader scenes and the Qui-Gon cameo. I feel like people aren’t highlighting the biggest flaws of this episode and the series at large. Obi-Wan FAILED. He had one job. Protect Luke, and he failed. And not only does he fail because of his mistake of leaving Tatooine, he leaves AGAIN. What?! And on top of that, he goes to the Organa family on their FUCKING HOMEWORLD. Like bro, are you hoping someone spots you, you wanna spell it out on the Tatooine sands that you’re associated with the Organa family? Leaving Reva alive is mind bending for me, I can’t fathom it. She’s clearly unstable, has violent tendencies, is bat shit crazy, she knows exactly where Luke is and knows he is also associated with Kenobi like Leia. She could blow their whole scheme out of the window with a mood swing. They let her live! Kenobi and Uncle Owen have to be the dumbest and most naive motherfuckers in the galaxy, save for Bail Organa. Like I’m surprised their hearts remember to fucking beat their IQ is so unnaturally low, hate it. This whole show was a waste of time with teases and missed opportunities galore! The Vader and Kenobi rematch was nice and beautiful, in no way does it excuse nor justify the rest of the contrived, unpleasing, disappointing, half assed, half baked, horrifically written and egregious series that is Kenobi. Yoda was wrong, there is no other hope, if this is what they have to offer, it might be time to cancel that subscription. Edit Where is Duel of the fates!? Prequel music? Epic space opera? Huge oversight, fucking massive PLANET sized.

[@donkey5692]

I actually quite liked that Vader's mask was destroyed much in the same way as in his fight with Ahsoka. In my mind it shows that neither Obi-wan nor Ahsoka, people who were very close to Anakin, were able to fully bring him back by defeating him. Rather, it was only Luke who was able to fully remove the mask, and thereby bring back Anakin, by showing mercy.

[@Icspiders247]

Thing is you can only use that trick once before you look like you're ripping off your own material.

[@ShadowShinobi2012]

The point of the mask being broken scenes between this show and Rebels is that two people close to Anakin’s heart were able to partially remove Vader but not fully and Vader still remained, while Luke was able to remove the whole helmet and lead Vader back to being Anakin and be redeemed. Both Ashoka and Obi-Wan didn’t mean enough to bring him back to the Light, but Luke did.

[@JoshMcSwain]

That's really good

[@albertotensai]

Luke did what no one else did: he had unshakable faith in the goodness of his father, and he proved it to him. He would’ve died if he was wrong.

[@Kowkarot]

-The shaky camera and the constant POV switch to Reva made the fight really underwhelming. -The end of the fight was probably the best scene in the entire series...but then I was basically screaming "WHY ARE YOU KEEPING HIM ALIVE AGAIN?". -Him calling Vader "Darth" felt really shoehorned and made me go "Really? You are trying to explain THAT of all things?" -Obi-Wan's conversation with Leia was really nice...but I'm still not sold on Obi-Wan NEEDING to have spent time with her in the first place. -Everything related to Reva felt like filler. In the end, I felt her character was completely pointless to the series. I didn't even feel like they focused too much on her, she just felt...useless. Give me her story in another series ("Star Wars: Inquisitors" for example), and I would've been way more invested and they would've been able to do so much with her too. Basically, this episode felt like all the others: Very enjoyable moments and ideas, but with my brain constantly going "...but why?"

[@lore7070]

Bro the Obi Wan leaving him alive again really made me go yeah this series writing is super bad. Like they really couldnt make it where the Grand Inquistor came down to help/assist vader because his suit broke and it warns them or something nah tho obi wan just leaves him alive to kill more people

[@Kowkarot]

@@lore7070 Yeah and then Bail going like "people is dying and the Empire is becoming stronger" and I was like "well, maybe if Obi-Wan had killed FREAKIN DARTH VADER we could've avoided some of this"

[@lore7070]

@@Kowkarot exactly lmaooo

[@lustrazor44]

All I learned is that Obi Wan Kenobi is now fully responsible for every single death at the hands of Vader. "I will do what I must" my ass. They didn't write this in a way that makes sense for him to leave him alive. He just walks away to let Vader continue Murdering and destroying. So, Obi Wan is actually a HUGE fucking asshole.

[@stevenle9960]

My ideal "Kenobi" - It's a standalone film instead of a series - The central conflict is Kenobi's guilt and his inability to commune with the force (maybe make it so that he can't use the force at all at the start) - He meets up with Yoda so he can help teach him (Like he said he would in ep 3) - He learns that in order to gain peace he must let go of his guilt - Kenobi and Vader have a shared force vision (maybe multiple) and they have a kickass duel. - Kenobi defeats him and gains inner peace, now able to see force ghosts and become one himself when the time comes - Vader still says "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did" because that's a perfect line I don't think it made any sense for Obi-Wan and Leia to interact and know each other so well. Their duels where they spare each other were pretty dumb and made no sense for their characters. Vader and Kenobi at this point actively want to murder eachother. Making their duel a force vision neatly ties up this inconsistency Whether or not Kenobi is alive is left ambiguous in the eyes of the empire because from Tarkin's perspective a force vision is not a reliable sighting

[@lanebowles8170]

"- Kenobi and Vader have a shared force vision (maybe multiple) and they have a kickass duel." Agreed! They even have an example to follow in The Clone Wars story arc where Yoda goes on his quest to discover the secret to becoming a force ghost and is able to have a duel with Sidious in a vision. What we got as a whole is just more disappointment.

[@dictorfeelgood]

It was crap written by crap writers that just got fired

[@dr.mofongo9001]

That finale had two scenes I absolutely loved. Kenobi apologizing to Anakin, and Kenobi telling Leia about her parents. Beautifully done.

[@wun1gee]

1) How did Reva get to Tatooine before Obi-Wan? Without a ship? 2) How did the Devastator catch up with the civilian transport but could not overtake it? 3) Howcome the Devastator didn't catch the civilian transport in a tractor beam? 4) Howcome the Devastator didn't launch TIEs or any of it's other myriad of support craft to follow the civilian transport after it split from Obi-Wan? It has 72 TIES and a ton of transports and shuttles... 5) Howcome the Devastator wielded so little firepower? We're talking about the exact same ship that literally cuts a Nebulon-B Frigate in half in SECONDS in Rogue One, while simultaneously reducing the Profundity to a burning wreck, can't subdue a tiny civilian transport that seems to have battleship-levels of shielding? 6) So the small shuttle Obi-Wan took had a hyperdrive? Yet nobody thought to put the 8-10 people that were in the transport in this shuttle and use it's hyperdrive and abandon the transport?

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

The show was a mess

[@commander8625]

point 6 was what got me. "guys, our hyperdrive is messed up, so we have to just sit here while we get shot at. Oh, but we will send the master jedi in a ship that has a hyperactive so he can buy us some time so we can get a working hyperdrive."

[@MrSubstance]

How come the star destroyer didn’t just blow the shit out of leia’s ship at the beginning of ANH?

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@MrSubstance Because they needed the ship in one piece to search for the stolen Death Star plans.

[@MrSubstance]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 blow up The shop… blow up the plans

[@jayrymer2097]

Imagine if Obi was standing over defeated Vader, ignites his lightsaber, and says something about finishing his mistake of leaving him alive, and when he's just about to strike Quigon yells in his head to stop or to leave him.

[@LawyerScumGhost]

It would have been cool if Obi-Wan was about to kill Vader, then Qui-Gon's force ghost shows up and says he can foresee a possible redemption for Anakin and tells Obi-Wan to spare Vader.

[@no3scap3117]

Perhaps Qui-Gon reminding Obi that he is still the chosen one even after everything

[@jayrymer2097]

@@LawyerScumGhost I don't think he should show up as a ghost at that point, it's nice for him to show up on Tatooine to greet Obi, but I do think him alluding to keeping him alive is the only way to bring balance to the force. Would help explain why Obi doesn't go after him again.

[@jayrymer2097]

@@no3scap3117 Exactly!

[@DBug17]

Obi-wan wouldn’t have killed him regardless because it goes against the code.

[@tomch6799]

It was fine, it had an incredible scene with vader and obi wan and it was nice seeing liam neeson back. But in my eyes they didn't justify the existance of this show and i'd rather they never made it and instead did a film with a different and more focused story.

[@NIMM_VOID]

i know this is an older video, but you brought something up that sparks a thought; the glaring difference between the light saber fights from the original movies to the more martial arts style fighting in the prequels. by comparison, watching a new hope, the fight between Vader and obi wan was more deliberate, slow, almost awkward. no flurry of spinning the sword around and posturing, it was more like Vader and obi wan were more aware of how dangerous light sabers are. i like this style of fighting more. it's not as impressive as a martial arts kind of sword fight, but it's more emotionally effective.

[@luluflu1140]

Vader is still looking for Obi Wan after this series because in Rebels he intended to find Ashoka to get to him but apparently kidnapping Leia or threatening Bail would have been an easier thing to do to get to him. Also it seems strange that Bail didn't asked Ashoka to help him because according to the Ashoka novel they knew each other at the time Leia was kidnapped and she even worked with him at some point because of her involvement in the rebellion.

[@EmperorFist323]

Because as bail stated only obiean understand how significant Leia is...pay attention

[@vortexflash4944]

@@EmperorFist323 understanding her significance doesn’t matter. The fact is, she’s his daughter, and that would be more than enough for Ahsoka, who was actively aiding the rebellion, to go and save her. Especially since Obi-Wan leaving Luke is irresponsible and completely misses the point of splitting up the twins and having different people protect them. Leia being Padme and Anakin’s daughter had no affect on the fact that she was a ten year old princess and daughter of a prominent imperial senator who was kidnapped. So, yes, the entire premise for Obi leaving is meaningless anyways.

[@luluflu1140]

@@EmperorFist323 To Ashoka's knowledge she is his friend and trusted ally daughter so I'm pretty sure she is also quite significant to her. So if you're wiling to use fugitives such as Obi Wan to rescue your daughter even though it could get a lot of attention from the Empire why not ask for Ashoka's help ?

[@EmperorFist323]

@@luluflu1140 because again...regardless of friend or not ONLY OBIWAN KNOWS OF HER SIGNIFICANCE, meaning he isn't just fighting to protect her, but he will fight knowing she is one of the last hopes on the galaxy It's not that hard.

[@JoRoq1]

@@EmperorFist323 Exactly. Ahsoka would absolutely protect Leia, but she would not know how critical it was to keep Leia away from Vader and Palpatine. Ahsoka might not have been willing to take the potential riskiest chances, where Obi-Wan would.

[@conman823]

Disney, please stop Marveling my Star Wars. Leave the low intellect flashing lights and "fight scenes" to Marvel and give me something with some brain matter.

[@ghostbeetle2950]

Once again, almost all the initial fan speculation on what this series would be about was way, way better than what the IP merchant du jour managed to produce. This isn't (pop) culture, it's just "content".

[@isaiahsmith7123]

And look at their slate. More content being cranked out like a crack fiend on molly. To borrow from retroblasting, it is Kathleen Kennedy's firehose of "fun".

[@Oldstalk]

Exactly, and most people now are referring to each new star wars release as "Disney's latest content", not some kind of exciting project and story to discover

[@TYRANTH_]

Prime Vader Who has created his own Saber form and is a beast in disneys own canon comics and who is arguably stronger than ANI Mustafar ...losing to a out of practice Kenobi using the force is insane first of all obi wan was considered to have one of the weakest connections to the force in the temple , then vader just letting him walk away.... this changes the context of vader as a character when he lost on Mustafar it was because of his own arrogance and failings as vader he learnt and overcome this and became ever more powerful, fully developed his power with the force created his own saber form to specifically destroy Jedi to the point Sidious had to over him to stop , Now vader is not even a threat a out of prime kenobi can beat him.... Makes sense next month there is a issue when vader and palps are going to have a saber duel ... now who cares vader wont even be able to do scratch him if he cant even beat old kenobi not really a point in reading the comics anymore disney just does whatever in live action.

[@misternordberg3675]

Wrong wrong wrong! Anakin was far more dangerous than suited Vader. Who says? George Lucas. Comics do not overrule the actual creator dummy.

[@TYRANTH_]

@@misternordberg3675 well since we are talking about DISNEY CANON and DISNEY SHOWS with DISNEY COMICS your comment literally has no purpose

[@zakaryperrin7126]

I enjoyed this ending. Still waaaayyy too much interaction between leia and Obi wan for me. And they were playing with fire having Reva get that close to Luke with her lightsaber. But this Vader and Obi wan duel was amazing!!! To sum it up for me, this was a great finale with a poor build up.

[@EmperorFist323]

How to much interaction? So you forgot a new hope when Leia gets happy and excited when Luke mentions the name Ben kenobi?

[@zakaryperrin7126]

@@EmperorFist323 nope didn’t forget that. Just about anybody would get excited about a Jedi coming to save them. It’s too much for me because this kid experienced a ton with Obi Wan and it just doesn’t transfer well into ANH. I did love that Leia was in the show and they definitely casted her well tho.

[@HandofOmega]

At least they didn't do what I was afraid of, and have Ben have to take Leia to Tatooine in a hurry to save Luke and the two of them meet as kids!🤮

[@EmperorFist323]

@@zakaryperrin7126 how didn't it transfer well? She literally jumps out of her seat and gets excited and says "Ben?!?! Ben kenobi?? Where is he!!" Literally acts like she knows him

[@HandofOmega]

I was upset about Leia not showing any shock or remorse when obi wan gets killed right in front of her, but then I remember her line about having no time for sorrow, and I just figure that she was in full 100% focused on the mission mode. After the awards ceremony, she probably broke down and cried her eyes out over Ben and her parents and Alderaan...

[@StalkerSKT]

A couple of moments in this episode really made me feel like this could have been good with some proper re-writes and editing. The ones i can think of right now are: Even if it is mostly a copy paste from rebels, the vader/anakin scene with the broken mask was still very good, both in execution and storywise, Obi-wan just walking off makes no sense obviously, but with just a few edits that could have been fixed (vader collapsing and either having obi-wan not check if he's actually dead or having the inquistor and/or troops show up to save vader). The mix of Haidens voice and James Earl Jones was really good. The scene with Obi-Wan and Reva. I'm ignoring everything else that happened before this moment, but in a vacuum, Obi-Wan offering wise words and guiding her towards the light really felt like the Obi-Wan i have wanted to see ever since this series began, it was only now that we truly got it. I also like Moses Ingrams acting in this, i just feel it's sad that all the set up to get to this point has been so poorly written. The final scene between Obi-Wan, Owen (and technically to Luke), i don't know why but to me it felt like a cathartic moment, ignoring everything else, just having Obi-Wan meet Luke and say hello there. Yes i acknowledge the meme, but it's also very fitting, considering it's the first words we hear from A New Hope Obi-Wan. Over the course of watching this series i've reinforced my belief that Ewan Mcgregor is irreplacable as Obi-Wan. Not that the series itself has done much to help with that view, but he still shines through in several scenes. Having seen the entire series now, i feel baffled over the earlier episodes, how poorly they set up the events that take place. Skirting around the canon just to try to patch it up later, still messing with things like Leia's and Obi-Wans relationship to the point that their later (canonically) interactions make no sense... I could do without the series, but now that it's here, it has a very mixed bag of a few great individual moments and a lot of poor writing/editing which shows a lack of understanding of Star Wars or just people in general. And the shaky cam done in post in a bunch of episodes, especially episode 5... just stop, please. It looks horrible and does nothing to hide the poor choreography/tactics used in the non-lightsaber fight scenes. If you got this far, thanks for reading my rambling thoughts. :)

[@cacuevas]

No way people are praising this episode for a few member berries lmao, the standards are so low

[@gpcovenant]

The scene with Qui-gon brought a tear to my eye. But not just because it was awesome to see him but because it points to what this show should have been. It should have been about obi-wan and him coming to terms with Vader, but not just obi-wan, but the entire Jedi order and how it failed Anakin. It should have bridged the PT Jedi with the Jedi in the OT. That they let midiclorians be more important then the spirit of the Jedi. They let dogma of no attachment blind them to the needs of Anakin. Take all the time with Reva and put it into flashbacks. Obi-wan, though seeing the failings of the Jedi comes to terms with Anakin/Vader, frees himself and helps him and yoda become the wise mentors we loved. This show like almost every LF project after the purchase is a complete failure of writing, vision, and understanding of what Lucas created. Star Wars is truly dead. A couple of good scenes don’t make up for this.

[@MedalionDS9]

The biggest flaw of all this... despite the great moment of Obi finally realizing Anakin was "gone"... he left him AGAIN instead of killing him... so Obi is complicit in allowing Anakin to aid the empire's terror and reign AGAIN. In fact, this is the biggest sin of this entire series... nobody believes in finishing the job... people just leave people assuming they are no threat or will die on their own... how many times does this lesson need to be learnt?

[@gothicgolem2947]

He did not assume that I just don’t think he had it in him to kill him. Also not killing someone hardly makes you complicit in there murders

[@lustrazor44]

@@gothicgolem2947 Yea cuz Obi Wan never does what needs to be done. He lets his personal feelings get in the way leaving millions to die. Obi Wan is an asshole

[@82Goobers]

It does make him complicit. He had the chance to end Vader and all the suffering he would go on to cause but he didn’t because he’s a coward.

[@stevenle9960]

@@gothicgolem2947 he literally says that the duel is to the death right before he confronts vader. And once he realizes that Anakin is gone, killing him is the same as killing any other sith lord

[@BladeValant546]

Yall k now anakin is the one to bring balance to the force right?

[@jdstudios1912]

How they could've justified kenobi letting vader live. Kenobi moves to make the killing blow but in that moment he experiences a force vision of the future showing luke grown up battling vader with vaders final like echoing in the background "tell your sister you were right" thus kenobi stays his hand knowing vader still has a role to play.

[@thereformist8718]

no because why would kenobi tell luke to give up trying to save his father and to kill him

[@you_define_me9924]

@@thereformist8718 bc he understands that Luke has to make the decision on his own accord. Which would explain why Ben tells him what he does in the OT. Especially after conversing with Qui-Gon as it shows at the end of the series. I agree with the OP

[@thatguy601]

This was not the “rematch of the century” the episode and entire show needed more depth & coherence than just spectacle for me. Unfortunately i can’t count this as part of the canon, but merely a underwhelming ‘What if’ at best.

[@the.nerd58]

I can't believe we didn't get a clone wars flashback in a series about 2 main characters of Clone wars.

[@austinmitchell2652]

Why was Vader unable to deflect all those rocks from obi wan? Pretty sure he is immensely more powerful in the force at this time.

[@drumlessons833]

Same reason Obi-Wan couldn't move a 1oz object in the prior episode: plot needed it

[@EmperorFist323]

He did, watch the scene again. A large amount of boulders were deflected ro the left and right with the middle part hitting him. Then again those boulders should have killed Vader, so pretty sure he used the force to neglect their impact.

[@johns8596]

Yeah the rocks were keeping him pinned but not really connecting. It was the fact he went after the chest plate and suit that won that battle.

[@achaudhari101]

Anakin just has a problem with deflecting a lot of things off of him whether it be in Legends or Canon.

[@darthrevan454]

@@achaudhari101 MY RIVAL!! What did you think of Kenobi?? Seriously want to know your opinion.

[@n00bplayer72]

Personally, I don't think Reva's turn was earned at all. For most of this series, we see her harass and maim non-combatants, be absolutely willing to torture a child, and be absolutely willing to kill a child. We do not see any cracks, any hint that there is something else to her; no sorrow, self-bargaining, hesitation, anything like that. So it just feels out of left field that, unprovoked, she would have had a change of heart and spared Luke.

[@ribottostudio]

More people need to realize, the reason why the finale was so good, is because of Andrew Stanton coming on to help with the writing for parts 5 and 6. The man has a DECORATED writing career with Pixar animation studios. He wrote some of their BIGGEST movies. Like it just makes you wonder "why was he up there all this time?" cause it just confirms my suspicions that Stanton should've been the man to hire from the get go. Then the show would be A tier instead of mid tier.

[@DarthQueefious]

Part 5 had the dumbest writing of all the episodes

[@ribottostudio]

@@DarthQueefious it was also co written by Joby Harold so there you go.

[@DarthQueefious]

@@ribottostudio This is why this isn't Obi Wan to me, it's Joby-Wan Ep4 had the single dumbest moment with the Trench Walk scene but ep 5 was entirely based on the whole 1 vs 2 ships nonsense. EDIT: it's actually worse because there was a 3rd ship & it had a hyperdrive

[@hyperbole6529]

Kenobi is the worse child protector ever.

[@rjthenutellaguy3502]

It was my understanding that most of the refugees were force sensitive, given how they were using "the path". Which is why the Grand Inquisitor was hell bent on following them over just Kenobi.

[@thefrozenone417]

All episodes considered, this series really did almost feel more like a coming-of-age story for Leia than it did a journey of self-forgiveness for Kenobi. I appreciated everything that Ewan and Hayden put into the series-they gave their best and I wish they had been allowed to do more of it. Even though it could have been different, maybe better, I am still glad that we got we did. I feel like the Leia portrayed in Kenobi added something truly valuable to her story: By showing us what Leia was like as a young girl, how she came to care for the people in rebellion against the empire, and her taking ownership of the rebellion-all of which strengthens her image as a leader. It showed that her choice was not only a result of following her father’s lead, but it was also inspired by the strength and bravery of the people that she saw fight and die to fight evil. When she was getting herself ready and put on Talla’s holster, and then they stopped on a still of her standing there I honestly teared up. She had become the rebel princess that we all loved, who would someday to blossom into the leader the rebellion would follow. It really felt like our princess was back with us again... Blair has done just such a masterful job portraying her and I think that Carrie Fisher would have been very proud of her...

[@triciab1289]

I know Obi has to leave Vader alive because the OT (and more) exists, BUT it doesn't make sense in context of this episode. Why does Obi leave Vader alive???? I get that Obi had an emotional moment, but he also knows that if he leaves Vader alive, many many many more people will suffer and die. If he leaves Vader alive now, that means Vader still exists as a huge threat to any surviving Jedi and the Rebels. Obi is making the same mistake that he made on Mustafar, walking away leaving Anakin still alive.

[@EmperorFist323]

Because he isn't going ro just walk up and stab Vader. Battle damaged vader was ready for round 3, and obiwan isn't going to fight ine last round and potentially lose when he has to go and save Luke

[@triciab1289]

@@EmperorFist323 Obi doesn't know that he needs to go save Luke yet, that happens after Obi leaves in his ship. Vader was severely damaged and having trouble breathing. Yes, Obi could have ended Vader now, but chooses not to because this show was badly written.

[@drumlessons833]

@@triciab1289 _"Either he dies or I die."_ _"Have you come to kill me?"_ _"I will do what I must."_ _"Okay I'll spare you if you call of your star destroyer"_

[@EmperorFist323]

@@triciab1289 Kenobi felt it in the force in ep 5 that something was wrong and had the vision when he was trapped in the rubble

[@triciab1289]

@@EmperorFist323 Nope. I just went back and re-checked when Obi was trapped in the rubble - Obi did not see Luke in danger at that point. Only when Obi is back in his ship after the fight does he sense Luke is in danger.

[@RenwickZabelin]

I didn't see Reva going after Luke for Vader. I saw it as Reva went after Luke because he was more important to Obi-wan than she was and when she was about to do the deed PTSD from Nightfall kicked in and she realized what she was doing and what she'd become. Hope this helps!

[@miecraftandmoregames]

hard to call it a "rematch of the century" when the fight choreography is so terrible, ever since the sequels we have been having awful fights that make little to no sense...

[@TonyVM775]

I feel the same. Like wtf jus hire the guys who help with the prequel choreography. The recient fights have been ass. Almost improvised

[@blaykeliptrap8048]

Agree revenge of the sith fight better they barely fight and it’s so dark you can barely even see what’s going on

[@ben-gm4ij]

They don’t have the real sabers anymore it’s all green screens and cgi. The actors are faking and it shows. To bad

[@b.chaline4394]

Maul vs Ahsoka being the exception

[@davidhills703]

When the series is good, it’s good - but the rest of the time it’s mediocre. My biggest gripe is that Leia has closer connection to Kenobi than Luke. To me it just doesn’t add up with how distraught Luke is when he dies if this is there only or main meeting. I’ll also admit I’m a part of the crowd that wanted a more introspective series.

[@awandererfromys1680]

Of course it doesn't add up. This series breaks canon. Kenobi never met Leia and Vader after RoTS until ANH. This is fanservice. We wanted more Ewan and Hayden. Well, we got it.

[@LordSidious066]

You have to remember that Luke knew Obi Wan more than Leia. She only knew him for as long as the show took place in the universe but as this is Luke and Obi Wan's first meeting, Luke had more time with Obi wan because of the fact that this takes place in 9 BBY, 10 years after ROTS. ANH takes place 9 years after the show giving Luke and Obi Wan more bonding time which obviously strengthens Luke's attachment with Ben. Leia knew Obi Wan as Ben in ANH when she says 'Ben Kenobi? Where is he?' as she obviously remembered he saved her, she just doesn't know he's Obi Wan unlike Luke.

[@siiir1322]

I guess some of us really have to lower our standards so that we can enjoy Star wars again. Yes there was qui gon, yes we had the rematch between Vader and kenobi, but come on, it really just wasnt well made

[@Qui-GonJohn]

What I found strange was when Leia walked away from Obi Wan, Harja stepped in front of him say she needs space. What makes him think he knows what she wants

[@warborn_inc.]

That character and specifically that part were horrible. "I find she needs some space" ...really dude?! GTFOH

[@TheVikingOfDisapproval]

I can always tell the action to story ratio of an episode based on how much praise it gets on social media. This holds true for the finale

[@keithcurtis]

Asking "Why didn't Kenobi kill Vader" is an ultimately unanswerable question. Not only the heavy hand of continuity forbids it, but it is not answerable due to pragmatic concerns (we want to sell Darth Vader toys), and primarily genre conventions. This is akin to asking "why doesn't Batman kill the Joker?" Within the melodrama of modern comics and movies that are intended for a general audience, heroes don't kill anyone unless A) they are faceless, nameless bad guys, and/or B) They are acting in active self defense (hot blood). If Vader were beaten and Obi Wan walked over and calmly cut his head off, the genre conventions would break, because it would feel like murder. Regardless of how one like to imagine the "real world" would work, Star Wars exists within an Action/Adventure family fare universe that doesn't support certain actions. Within that context, it makes perfect sense. I enjoyed this series immensely, and felt it had no more plot/dialog or character weaknesses than is typical with any Star Wars offering. Could it have been better? Sure! Could it have been worse? Oh, absolutely! I felt it delivered on its promises of a character arc for Obi Wan, interesting new characters, parallel story development, themes of redemption, forgiveness and transcendence, all while working as an acceptable bridge between RotS and ANH. No, it probably didn't check every box every Star Wars fan would agree was necessary. But that would be an impossible goal anyway. Excellent show!

[@blakedavison2171]

The broken mask scene scene was one of the most viscerally emotional moments in all of Star Wars. I also noticed that whenever the blue of Obi-Wan’s saber reflected onto Vader, Obi-Wan was making an appeal to Anakin. The soul of Anakin was trying to resurface. But then, when the lighting turned red, the dark side overtook Vader again. Incredible execution there. I don’t know man. I had a few different complaints and nitpicks throughout this series, but I just loved so much of it. Moments like this scene made my love of the narrative overpower the other things I didn’t care for (i.e. certain writing decisions, some moments of execution, etc.)

[@Strongpoint_S]

The problem is that the broken mask scene is... just copied from Rebels.

[@blakedavison2171]

@@Strongpoint_S oh I know! But I think it’s awesome we have both versions. We have two moments where people who were close to Anakin broke through that outer shell of Vader and caught a glimpse of Anakin, both literally and metaphorically. I think Rebels did it great, and this moment was great too. I just think it’s cool.

[@TokiWardguitar]

I liked the broken mask scene too....when it was done in Rebels with better writing and more emotional weight

[@blakedavison2171]

@@TokiWardguitar to each their own! I loved both.

[@lucasmoura6276]

Agreed!

[@eris_and_eggs]

So I might just be talking out of me own arse or sumn but am I the only one who would be interested in seeing a show centered on Owen? For some reason I connected way more with Him as a character and his love for Luke in the few scenes he had than I did with the entirety of Kenobi and Leias Relationship(Not to say that I didn’t care for that relationship I just didn’t feel as much for it). But a show focused on Owen and the lengths he’d be willing to go to protect his family on the dangerous plains of tattooine sounds super interesting to me, and I feel like there’s way more liberties they could take with Owens character as opposed to when Disney centers on more known Star Wars characters. Plus I think it would be awesome to see how many more people Owen could roast after he practically murdered Kenobi in the first episode. P.S Love your videos I enjoyed watching your reviews for the show more than I did the actual show.

[@waynesworldstarwars7035]

Hey Thor so your question on why Kenobi didn't kill Vader was cuz you need to remember he's still a compassionate man who doesn't wanna kill his friend, he simply can't bring himself to do that plus if he did do so he'd be doing it out of anger which would turn him into a sith so it actually makes sense he would leave him

[@lakersfan2425]

So why did he kill Maul? And his compassion is costing the galaxy as Vader goes on to kill more people. Also, why does he tell Luke to kill Vader in ROTJ? Where was his compassion then?

[@johns8596]

Yeah it kinda does and doesn't make sense. He cant bring himself to kill anakin, but he knows lukes path is to face him. Idk Not sure if killing him out of anger was in play, he wasnt angry, but crying, if anything he would have killed him out of compassion to release him from his suffering again but didnt. At this point he just cant seem to bring himself to kill anakin.

[@lakersfan2425]

@@johns8596 which hurts the character of Kenobi

[@johns8596]

@@lakersfan2425 Not if showing mercy is true power. He does tell luke he has to face his father, and luke says he cant kill his father, obi says then the emperor has already won. As he doesnt believe his father can be turned. Yet reva does here. Idk But again its mercy and compassion that wins out.

[@waynesworldstarwars7035]

@@lakersfan2425 because you forget maul wasn't "killed" by Obi Wan, he simply cut his lightsaber which in turn Maul admitted defeat letting go of his hatred which what was keeping him alive in the first place. So yes Obi Wan is compassionate

[@joshuaferris6575]

When Obi-wan breaks free from the rubble, he essentially feels like what I was expecting Luke to be like in the sequel trilogy. The power level would make sense for a character like Luke, with so many years to train. For Obi-Wan, it kind of just pulled me out of it. It was very cool, but this nagging voice in the back of my head wouldn't let me fully enjoy it.

[@EmperorFist323]

Obiwan was one of the greatest jedi to ever live, he has much much more to fight for now. I didn't expect anything less

[@tomtheutdsupporter]

Same, I didn't feel obi wan having that much power in the force that has never really been seen before was odd.

[@drumlessons833]

@@EmperorFist323 A day prior he couldn't move a small metal object with the force.

[@EmperorFist323]

@@drumlessons833 what's your point? The force requires concentration and will, obi was deprived of all that. Vader snapped obi back into shape both physically and mentally..it isnt that hard

[@cjmk5923]

@@EmperorFist323 Your strength is also somewhat determined by the connection you have to the Force. Obi-wan never had a connection as strong as Yoda's and Yoda never did anything this crazy.

[@lambdafish291]

I think the point about "why didn't Obi wan kill Vader" is easy to explain. Obi Wan made the same choice as Luke, for different reasons. If Obi Wan had killed Vader, no matter how bad of a person he was, it would have been in cold blood, this was a downed, defenceless opponent after all, and doing so would have been a path to the dark side. Remember that Anakin was right, "he's too dangerous to be left alive" is not the Jedi way, unless you think what Anakin did to Dooku is what Obi Wan should have done to Vader here?

[@Sundgren1]

How many people got killed by leaving Vader alive, probably thousands if not millions. It wouldn't have been in cold blood either, they had a fight and he won fair and square.

[@thephoenixxm4160]

@@Sundgren1 It is the same reason Batman doesn't kill the Joker. Same reason. If they both killed (Joker and Vader, respectively), they would be pushed too far toward evil, and both would be no better than them.

[@lambdafish291]

@@Sundgren1 Kenobi isn't thinking about the wider galaxy, at least not yet. Luke is destined to defeat the emperor at that point, not Vader, Obi Wan didn't even know Vader was alive. The point of this fight is personal, not political, which is what you are trying to make it. Obi Wan subdued Vader to the point that he was no longer a threat, which is exactly what he did on Mustafar. Obi Wan doesn't murder "for the greater good", he subdues his opponent and only kills if that is a necessary part of combat. Please point me to a time where Obi Wan, or any Jedi has killed a defenceless opponent and the act not been called into question. Also it is definitely in cold blood if the opponent was already beaten and downed, and parallel instances have definitely highlighted as a path to the dark side multiple times within Star wars.

[@matthiasm4299]

I'm looking forward to the follow-up series "Aunt Beru, Sith hunter"

[@matthiasm4299]

It's also clear now that the burned corpses we see in ANH are really the stormtroopers that Beru has taken out. I wonder what happened to her.

Okay, this comment is a bit long so strap yourselves in; Honestly, they should have switched focus with this series as a whole. Seeing Obi-Wan training and trying to commune with Qui-Gon should have been the main thing for him in this series as well as watching over Luke. Then you can add how he handles living on Tatooine in terms of everyday life and the potential dangers of the Dune Sea while also have a deeper look on how the Lars Homestead is operating. Meanwhile, Vader and the Inquisitors are out there hunting Force-wielders and insurgents threatening the Empire. We could also deep dive into Vader's thoughts and struggles too. But the key thing here is that Vader and Obi-Wan should NEVER meet or even SEE each other until A New Hope. But instead we got pointless fan service which doesn't do anything for the consistency of the plot. Normally I'm for fan service done well but this just felt sloppy. The lines spoken by Vader to Obi-Wan in A New Hope have far less impact and meaning now. I didn't mind seeing a young Leia, it was quite enjoyable at the start. The best for her though would be if they just kept her on Alderaan, never to be abducted and therefore never to meet Obi-Wan in the first place. That rescue mission together with Leia and Obi-Wan bonding like that made me so anxious about the plot of Star Wars in general. The Grand Inquisitor was useless and I did not like the actor’s approach on the character. The Third Sister (Reva) was intriguing at first but as the show went on she just felt like a try-hard and her motives were just out of place for me. I find that she knowing that Vader is Anakin is quite astounding in a bad way and never should have been a thing. The Second Sister in Jedi: Fallen Order was far more compelling and well-written than Reva and unfortunately she didn't live up to that level of character. Eventually, she just sucked and should have just died in the first 2 or 3 episodes of the show. The only parts that I truly enjoyed are the flashbacks of Anakin and Obi-Wan, which I still watch on repeat as it takes me back 20 years ago when AOTC was released. I was 7 years old and that movie made me a fan of Star Wars back then. Yeah, it's still quite precious to me even though ROTS is my favourite SW - movie. And of course, Vader tearing that ship apart and just owning Reva, showing how foolish she is for trying to kill Vader (although he should have killed her for real, just like Anakin did with Dooku). In general, this show is average at best in my opinion. I'm giving it a 5/10 but that's me being kind so in truth I would give this a 4/10.

[@JT117]

I really hated this last episode. You could pick nearly every scene apart. Why can't a Star Destroyer overpower a tiny shuttle? Why can't the Empire chase both Kenobi and the shuttle? Why would Obi-Wan let Vader live, only to ask Luke to kill him 14 years later? Why can Qui-Gon now appear as a full Force ghost? Those are merely the first few that come to mind, not to mention the countless things Reva has changed! When it comes down to it, I think Star Wars isn't for the hardcore fans anymore. Speaking about the show as a whole, it is very worrying that you have to ignore multiple canon-shattering moments just to have a good time, even more so when the nostalgia bating used to cover it up seems to be working on most fans. No, I don't think the show is good because Obi-Wan said a meme. People's standards are hilariously low.

[@EmperorFist323]

It's hilarious because this show is literally for the hardcore fans. It's just the fans are zo stuck on legends they haven't bothered to read actual canon

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯. This episode was baffling

[@coralbricks]

Nah. It has its problems, but the scene between Obi-Wan and Vader was pretty cool. Obi-Wan just couldn't bring himself to kill him.

[@Uranicc]

star wars has many good moments that demonstrate the strength of drawing parallels, but the fight between vader and obi wan was not subtle at all about it. all the references to ahsoka’s duel really took me out of the show and just made the duel feel like a cheap copy

[@MedalionDS9]

Doomcock/Overlord DVD brought up a good point about Reva in this ep... she had literally NO MOTIVATION to go find Luke and try to kill him... her entire journey was to get close to Vader to kill him for what happened during Order 66.. when she was left for dead by him and the Grand Inquisitor, her journey was over... killing Luke accomplishes NOTHING for her cause, so her suddenly stopping short to kill LUke had NO IMPACT on her arc once again...

[@gator7082]

This was so obviously glaring, and I don't see this as nitpicking, it didn't make a bit of sense.

[@MedalionDS9]

@@gator7082 It really isn't nitpicking... it is literally storytelling motivation 101... they carried her story on because they always planned to have her own spin off, whether Obi-Wan the series itself had a 2nd season or not

[@MedalionDS9]

and before anyone says she thought she could somehow still get revenge on Vader by killing his son... even Star Wars Theory got this wrong... nowhere in Bail's message, does she know WHO that boy is, who he belonged too... they never call him Luke Skywalker, or even Luke at all... they just call him the boy on tattooine with Owen... that's it