A bad feeling about this? "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Part 4 Spoiler Review & Deep Dive

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[@gbrow1604]

After the first episode introduced Leia, I didn't hate it but was hoping that it would only be a small part of the show. Now, 4 out of 6 episodes in, it's pretty much been the main plot.

[@Sam-qe2eo]

Well of course, she is much more important than her brother because after all, she has the power of ovaries. In all seriousness though, I do agree, couldn’t they at least split obis time between the siblings half and half. His job is to protect Luke after all nor Leia, and I’m not even sure he’ll spend even one episode doing any of that

[@joshtheboss3339]

Honestly same but so far Leia has been the best depiction of a character in my opinion kinda sad really and we all know it’s got to do with bad writing

[@aw3someinc175]

Or rather then leías gender, she lives off world and the creators wanted to go off world. Also isn’t Luke’s childhood pretty much all written at this point, there might not have been much to do with him at this point Episode 4 makes it relatively clear he has been farming all his life and hanging out at toshi station

[@joshtheboss3339]

@@aw3someinc175 I think he means he didn’t want her to be a side kick for the series we have seen enough kids with dangerous people

[@Sam-qe2eo]

@@joshtheboss3339 very true very true

[@DarthAdolf0]

It's insane to think how long this series/story was in development and how unbelievably underwhelming it is. This should've been an easy home run.

[@frostycane5134]

It’s the book of reva this story is about reva and if you don’t like it you are racist apparently. I don’t care if you want to write a story about a new character, go for it. But stop lying and saying it’s about one person when it isn’t

[@CelebiFTW]

And they ditched the original story and re wrote it lol

[@achaudhari101]

@Frosty Cane How is it about Reva if Leia gets more screen time than her?

[@lacolem1]

@@achaudhari101 I think she’s the one who ends up with the substantial character arc. Not sure what else can be done with Ben and Leia at this point

[@14bface]

Yeah. This isn’t a reva story. But this isn’t a story worth telling. It is a chasing leia story. I like the interaction between her and obi (probably one of the only fun things in the show) but it has gone on too long and has broke canon like many of us were worried about.

[@tux75]

For being a base that's half underwater, they really gotta work on the underwater security 2/2 infiltrations we've seen have been from underwater

[@joshuacotton2326]

Your profile pic made my feel like there was a piece of hair on my screen

[@PadawanRushlow]

It’s because they’re over confidence. They just assume nobody will try to break in.

[@c0n2oo3]

@@PadawanRushlow that’s just lazy writing

[@snoopyrogue359]

Word for word I saw this sentence on Reddit

[@darkzak47]

@@joshuacotton2326 I was about to reply a similar thing!

[@jonasdiaz8615]

I’m one of the Star Wars fans that has liked this series less with each episode and feel like this series overall didn’t need to exist. These episodes feel like spinning their wheels at this point from Vader leaving Kenobi alive done very poorly executed to the Grand Inquisitor of Rebels Season 1 getting stabbed pathetically by Reva to this filler episode which is supposed to be the end of the second act. Twin Suns episode of Rebels has currently had a better portrayal of Kenobi than anything here after Part 1. Fallen Order has done a superior version of Jedi escaping an underwater fortress. There are still no flashbacks of Kenobi and Anakin especially here when in the bacta tank they had the perfect chance to give us something that’s worth the existence of this show. Gonna feel disappointed to think that Rebels may be a better use of legacy and existing characters than anything here in Kenobi (aside from Young Leia who’s surrounded by continuity holes and middling writing)!

[@ariesroc]

So when exactly is a rescue not filler? Is the rescue of Leia in ANH filler? The rescue of Luke? The rescue of Han?

[@JoeChillton]

I was getting Fallen Order vibes from this and as you said, a much better experience

[@luchomscyfy]

@@ariesroc See? I could see Luke knowing Obi Wan before Episode IV, because Luka was "Obi Wan Kenobi? I wonder if she means Old Ben Kenobi.". Like impying he met him at some point in the past. But Leia? She seems in Ep IV ANH she only knew him about stories told by her "father".

[@jaredq]

I wish they never bring Vader back just to risk breaking canon, a Kenobi vs Inquisitor story will be fine enough

[@sivad1025]

@@ariesroc The rescue is the premise of the movie. This rescue was the product of a contrived plot to fill run time. It added nothing to the story or characters. The rescue of Leia was the impetus for Luke learning the ways of the Jedi. It brought him to the rebellion. It came with the death of Kenobi which then spawned Luke fulfilling his role as the hero in the hero's journey. How are the characters and plot points any different at the end of this episode than they were at the beginning?

[@cypher10]

Leia better get her mind Force wiped at the end of this series. No way she and Obi-Wan could have bonded like this and she had no reaction when he got killed by Vader. In ANH it seemed like Leia had only heard of Obi-Wan through her father. Also, Leia had to be subconsciously using the force to stop Reva from reading her mind. How did no one sense she was force sensitive?

[@riteousrighthand6144]

RIGHT? how did Vader not sense her, when she was running down the tunnel in the last episode. I would wager, his hatred for Obi-Wan would take a backseat, if he felt the presence of another, more specific, force user. No doubt, Luke and Leia would feel DIFFERENT through the force, given their blood relation.

[@flyabusa]

The Obi-Wan series, shredding canon like it was a head of cabbage.

[@harryb5239]

@@riteousrighthand6144 Vader probably should have been able to sense her connection to the Force, but definitely not that she was his daughter. Leia literally stands in front of Vader and accosts him in A New Hope but he didn't sense her then.

[@riteousrighthand6144]

@@harryb5239 that's true.

[@theopportuneson699]

To be fair, Leia must have resisted Darth Vader’s attempts to penetrate her head. I wage a hard enough head can do that.

[@tubby1833]

I didn’t like this episode mainly because of the small details. Like how Tala was talking to Kenobi within earshot of like 4 imperial agents, all the imperials not noticing Leia in Kenobi’s cloak or the show trying to make us care about whoever Wade was. Also Reva is still insufferable.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

it's all camp. it's been in star wars for awhile now

[@tubby1833]

@@gloriouspurpose_ Yes but I can only take so much of it in one episode.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

@@tubby1833 that's subjective, but fair

[@JoshMcSwain]

Reva is pretty one dimensional of a character. I don't blame the actress, her part is just boringly written. I thought the same thing, how are none of those other officers hearing Tala through that mic?

[@AnthonyAtheist]

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON 👌 My thoughts exactly

[@dereklopez9060]

The part where Obi-Wan hides Leia underneath the trench coat literally had me laughing, it reminded me of Austin Powers hiding Mini Me underneath the disguise. It's just as silly as the chase scene in the first episode. While the whole "Force Unleashed ll" scene with Obi-Wan saving Leia was cool, The rest of the episode was wack.

[@stevenlazar4550]

No different to seeing han luke leia and chewbacca running around unnoticed on the death star.

[@chrislayne3598]

It absolutely was worse ... FAR worse ... for the reasons pointed out in this video. OWK and Tala weren't sneaking to the ship, trying as much as possible not to be noticed (as was the case in ANH). They were walking through the middle of a sizable crowd of Imperial troops and officers. The fact that the base was by that time on high alert makes it even more laughable that no one noticed.

[@akumar1423]

just have them find a private hangar or balcony...

[@stevenlazar4550]

@dflowers30 I meant after they get out of the trash compacter

[@Montasir125]

They could've just found a trolley for her to sit in & covered it with something & i wouldn't bat an eye

[@chrisray250]

I really thought there were a noticeable amount of stupid creative choices or decisions in this episode. The fact that Leia undeniably knows “Ben” is obi wan kenobi now, the fact that fortress inquisitorius doesn’t have a shield for no reason other than plot convenience, the fact that they didn’t bother to scramble any TIE fighters as they were fleeing the fortress on a snowspeeder? That stormtrooper who just stood still and waited to die in the dark was also really dumb. Does he not at least have the sense to back up to a wall so that Obi wan can’t kill him from behind?, which is also what ended up happening. Nobody noticing that a child was obviously hiding in Obi wans coat was so stupid as well. I like this series and I think it’s pretty good, but damn did this episode really frustrate me.

[@chasehedges6775]

This episode was just wrong in every way imaginable

[@Hero_Of_Old]

And so Vader did just let them escape last episode because there was a bit of fire, which he put out seconds before with the force.

[@etienne1313]

that stormtrooper was dumb, sure, but holy hell i found that scene so cool

[@chrisray250]

@@etienne1313 i agree with that, it was awesome to see Obi Wan go Starkiller on those troopers

[@etienne1313]

@@chrisray250 episode was a bit bad though lol, but still far better than the Book of bobba fett imo

[@Cheesehead_Caleb]

my big issue with this show is that everything feels really railroaded, we know Kenobi and Leia survive so there's no real stakes. Because of this the empire also feels extra incompetent. Reva is annoying and the grand inquisitor isn't dead. This show should have just taken place on tatooine with Obi-Wan meditating to become a force ghost

[@carlos_takeshi]

It should have been Kenobi and a cast of new characters unknown to the audience. Too many of the characters on this show have impenetrable plot armor. If instead we knew that everyone involved was at risk, every episode would be much more fraught with tension.

[@andrewj1754]

@@carlos_takeshi I agree. Its why they brought in Reva though. And lots of people are complaining about her - so it feels again very hard to please everyone. There are still 2 episodes left, so hopefully we at least get some good Anakin and Obi-Wan scenes.

[@carlos_takeshi]

@@gamewriteeye769 "fine for what it is" is not exactly a ringing endorsement. More exciting compliments for the show could be "stunningly acceptable" or "okay beyond all belief". We're complaining here because Thor asks for thoughts at the end of his videos. You've inadvertently identified a big reason why people complain. Disney Star Wars has often been "meh" or worse. When defenders of the show come storming out with "fine", that proves the point.

[@carlos_takeshi]

@@gamewriteeye769 Do you mean you like giving things the benefit of the doubt? Because that would make more sense with your overall comments. Generally speaking, I give things the benefit of the doubt as well, but that doesn't mean I'm giving it all a pass. Some things are just going to better than others, and the comments section of a video of a Star Wars KZbinr is where you'll here people talk about what they think it's good or bad. If you don't like to see that, this is the wrong place to be. That's not intended to be unfriendly. It's just visiting a comments section when you don't like opinions is like visiting the beach if you don't like sand and water.

[@Silveirias]

Should've been what my friends and I joked this show would be like when it was announced: Episode 1, Obi-Wan paints his kitchen Episode 2, Obi-Wan shops for new boots Episode 3, Obi-Wan gets into a drunken brawl at the local cantina Episode 4, Obi-Wan rearranges his rock collection Episode 5, Obi-Wan steals a riffle back from the Tusken Raiders Etc.

[@jamesmurray8572]

the first three episodes were building up to this super emotional vader/kenobi dynamic, with third sister acting as sort of a teaser for the real dark sider to come. but episode 4 really just came off as filler. also, Third sister is really really not intimidating and they’re not doing enough in my opinion with making her compelling and unique. the show is still using her as the main antagonist as opposed to DARTH FREAKING VADER. why??? it’s so frustrating because it’s so close to being amazing. Third sister could have been used better, and Reva could have told Obi that Vader was alive, without also knowing V is Anakin. Leia didn’t need to know that Ben is Obi Wan, that just muddys the water of ANH. Vader could have let Obi Wan go on purpose, but now it’s clear that he just gave up at the end of the last episode for some reason. so many little mistakes that don’t really matter alone but together they just confound me as a fan. also, helmet slap!

[@Slacktionman]

She’s a much worse Trilla.

[@xliinkzz6245]

they should’ve gave her a helmet or sum to make her more mysterious and scary. I’m more scared of the fifth brother than her and he has way less screen time

[@thebaron2277]

@@xliinkzz6245 yea they should have done what they did with trilla. Given her a cool helmet for most of the show and her removing it when she's talking about her backstory

[@cobra312004]

She's not the main antagonist, she's the main protagonist

[@greyworld6242]

@@Slacktionman she’s everything trilla isn’t.

[@rickyguerino4799]

Stranger Things Season 4 episodes have all been well over an hour-long, with not even a 10th of the money Disney has. I want to genuinely know what excuse Disney has for not giving the same to us; For as complex and fleshed out as that escape plan needed to be to even have a chance of working, it's pretty ironic that this was the shortest episode so far with the most amount of plot armor and contrivances packed in. I'm not asking for Game of Thrones season 1-4 level writing here, I just want a semi-competent story told. I really, really, really wanted to like this show; especially after the abomination that was BoB. We continue to see this type of egregiously mediocre plot and dialogue, yet Disney still cannot learn from their easily correctable mistakes. They are so blind to their failures and do not hesitate to gaslight the fanbase, calling us toxic, racist, misogynistic, etc. when we criticize them. I'm not sure how much longer I can support this level of ineptitude by writers and producers that get paid way more than they should (especially when I see people in the comments below taking not even 15 minutes to write up better plot points of their own).

[@munozali1]

I usually hold Star Wars to higher standards than Stranger Things, although I try not to set the bar too high either. I think ST season 4 has been pretty weak and it has too many things going on at the same time. The episodes are long, but the story tends to drag on and on. I do wish Obi-Wan Kenobi had longer episodes or more of them. With only two episodes left, it seems like the story is going to feel incomplete. I hope I'm wrong.

[@topherguch3278]

Disney is doing the bare minimum for maximum profit. They knew people would buy D+ just for this.

[@wisconsinwintergreen6296]

For the first three episodes I mostly disregarded all the people who were criticizing this show. However, the forth episode is worrying me for various reasons, mostly how the plot has not advanced much and how Vader is underused. Now that Vader’s voice can be done with AI, the character is incredibly easy to use, even if Hayden is not available you can just have someone else in the suit. And the audio team did a perfect job at the voice, too. For the record, I don’t think Vader should be fighting Kenobi or meeting him directly constantly, but it sucks he does not have a more active role in finding the one person in the galaxy he wants to kill the most. I’ve seen some people say that they are starting to loose hope with the live action content and only look forward to the content they give us through animation. I am starting to agree, I think Bad Batch season 1 wasn’t that great but it did not make critical errors with developed characters like the live action material is starting to do, so season 2 could hopefully be better. And Tales of the Jedi looks awesome as well, probably the project I am most looking forward to.

[@jacobballance117]

I agree with all of what you said but unfortunately a majority of the fanbase is very toxic, racist and misogynistic lmao.

[@stevendelaney8140]

@@munozali1 ST makes this show look like absolute shit. The Book Of Boba Fett is better than this first draft garbage Obi-Wan show.

[@LH-vx9zw]

So this is now the 3rd for Disney Series were a kid is captured and then rescued. When are the Disney writers gonna come up with something new? Got kinda excited when Obi-Wan was announced because I thought "finally a series concentrating on a specific character not a bunch of side characters we have never heard of, how wrong I was.

[@chasehedges6775]

Mandalorian was as close to original and new as we are going to get, honestly

[@LH-vx9zw]

@@chasehedges6775 Mandalorian did it with Grogu, fine I didn't hate the idea but It worked pretty well in the end. The Bad Batch did it with literally the same with Omega was force sensetive and it yet again had us all guessing if she was or not, and now the same thing with Leia...... (even tho we still know who she is)

[@rockinHurley777]

Bait and switch

[@ariesroc]

You can't compare Leia to that toy prop Grogu. Who even really watches the animations that much? This was the only way to get Obi-Wan off Tatooine so I'm not going to blame them for doing that.

[@FordHoard]

@@ariesroc You can't really believe that was the only way. It would be so much better if it was just focused on Obi Wan on Tatooine. Dealing with gangs or Tusken Raiders, and he slowly regains who he was and accepts that his story is not over.

[@muskelversagen]

So Leia is supposed to be the daughter of an imperial senator. She gets kidnapped which makes obi wan and the rebels show up to rescue her... How the fkc does she end up being an imperial senator herself in ANH with everything that this chain of events already implies about her and even her father.

[@callmeej8399]

There entire family should be removed from office if we consider this canon

[@splashnskillz37]

It's the early rebel alliance, they aren't the rebellion yet it's a seperate cell, only in the Rebels show that it came together which is 4-5 years after this

[@frostycane5134]

@@splashnskillz37 you can forgive OP considering how many shows take place during this small time between rots and anh

[@luchomscyfy]

Good question. She's hunted by Emperor forces, and she...escaped for 10 or some years? Until ANH? If his father was suspect of collaborating with the Rebels, why she wasn't captured yet? Kenobi seems like he spent years in Tattoine without doing nothing until ANH. But, oh well....

[@KetsubanSolo]

@@frostycane5134 that's OP's problem, they haven't consumed every piece of Star Wars media like a good fan is supposed to. /s

[@hankjesse3410]

Also, still no flashbacks. At this point the only one we’ll have is one of Reva in the temple. Which is a disservice and just proves how much she’s been focused on over Kenobi. I’m hoping I’m wrong though

[@MegaSpideyman]

Yeah, if they were going to flesh her out more, they could've used some more flashbacks. Annoying how lacking she is overall. Not really intimidating and compared to the Grand Inquisitor or Vader, of course, lacking a great presence.

[@heywoodfloyd9]

@@MegaSpideyman also isn't the Grand Inquisitor the same one from the comics through Rebels which is just a few years before Ep IV which is just a few years after this? And he's dead now?

[@MegaSpideyman]

@@heywoodfloyd9 Yes.

[@theuntreatedspasm]

This series is starting to approach Book of Boba Fett territory for me. It started off okay, first couple of episodes were decent. It's nice to catch up with some familiar characters. But after that initial hit it needed something more, but that something more just never seems to come. In fact, the issues start to compound on one another, becoming bigger and more glaring. Also, the end of this episode with Vader and Reva needs to bury the cope that Vader let Obi-Wan escape at the end of the previous episode. He was furious with Reva for letting Obi-Wan escape. It's a real shame Obi-Wan wasn't just yards away from Vader the day before. It was poor, contrived writing.

[@Oldstalk]

I think we are about to discover a whole new tier of bad. Something even below Book of Boba Fett

[@jamiemb17]

Book of Boba episode 2 (with the Tuskens) was 10x better than the whole of this series so far... and I'm not even sure I'm exaggerating.

[@129das]

This is what happens when you let writers do whatever they want without any oversight or through to canon. I know that happened in the EU as well it happened in a way of passion most doing things of respect or so form of creativity. It like this EU might make single mini Death Star or some worst super weapon it does, Disney with their influent knowledge make a Death Star laser attachment. To star destroyer 1000’s of they.

[@donpietruk1517]

A lot of this is frankly due to them having enough plot material for a two hour movie but having to fill 6 hours of screen time. You get a lot of filler and stupid stuff happening. If you had good writers you could do that through character development. When you have bad writers you get fan service and tons of plot contrivances.

[@Gabi-ub8md]

Exactly. I felt like the end of episode 3 was just terrible writing, but I gave it the benefit of doubt because Vader leting him escape in purpose was plausible. It ended up being just bad writing.

[@Ctacobell]

What really irked me is that the glass underwater was totally compromised by a single blaster bolt, like Wouldn’t that glass be much much more sturdy than that lmao

[@Bacontats]

Or at least they have Ray shields? To protect against oopsies like that? Haha

[@sebastienmccarthy1483]

Yeah, you know what, I was like, yo, y’all should really look into that. Like, the empire has been pretty incompetent onscreen since Return of the Jedi (example: teddy bears killing a legion of the Emperor’s best troops on Endor), but like, y’all couldn’t buy some blaster proof glass or something? That being said, I’m enjoying the show for what it is. It’s no Mandalorian, but I’m having enough fun with it. I just hope the last two episodes knock my socks off

[@leafgreensniper13]

How deep was that, at least 200 ft? I feel at that depth the transdurasteel would have to be pretty thick to withstand the pressure, but maybe it’s thinner than glass. Idk, a silly plot point nonetheless

[@helamananderson3992]

This show was the easiest fan service to make every fan happy. Could even still be 6 episodes. Just obi-wan in his cave, communicating with qui-gon, both to continue his training, and confiding in him about his failures. Throw in a clone wars flashback or two, and a darth Vader cameo of him hunting Jedi in general and boom. Everyone would love it. We needed a deeper, character driven story just following obi-wan and truly feeling his pain and grief, but with the one glimmer of hope in luke. Book of boba fett was similar in that it would’ve been so easy to make something good, but this is just mind blowing how they’re missing the mark

[@wisconsinwintergreen6296]

I don’t understand why they haven’t put in a Clone Wars flashback. Everyone would be going crazy and talking about it everywhere and advertising their show.

[@heywoodfloyd9]

@@wisconsinwintergreen6296 all we'll get is that poor clone with PTSD begging for alms.

[@PhenomenalJec]

Mando season 1 was a fluke, everything else has been a disappointment

[@biglad6749]

I really didn't like how vader seems to have had no plan and legitimately just let obi wan go because of the fire.

[@chrislayne3598]

Particularly when he'd just put out a fire using the Force 30 seconds before that.

[@lucaschapman6745]

This episode proves that they should have just had obi-wan get captured from the start...

[@Bacontats]

He must be a Martian. Fire being a weakness

[@roger632]

The fact that the Rebels series managed to introduce less plot holes, have less plot conveniences, and be more consistent with the canon as a whole compared to this show is beyond me. Like, one example is Maul's efforts in finding Obi-Wan in Rebels, the task seemed way more challenging and difficult; he went from joining Jedi and Sith Holocrons together to gain knowledge, to utilizing Night Sister magic, he and Ezra went through some pretty extensive means to locate Obi-Wan, these were like one-time options. While in this show, the Nari Jedi dude at the beginning just happens to discover Obi-Wan on Tatooinee... but how, or from whom? Surely Bail wouldn't endanger Obi-Wan & Luke by sending an already hunted Jedi to his location. And then we have Reva in her ultimate power of nosey-ness, she somehow knows of every dirty secret of the legacy characters, she'll probably end up discovering Obi-Wan's purpose on Tatooinee, how much you wanna bet? When Maul and Ezra discovered Obi-Wan's whereabouts, not even Ezra left Tatooinee knowing of Obi-Wan's purpose there; Maul discovered his purpose there, but that was why he had to die... so in that case, no one left Tatooinee knowing of Obi-Wan's purpose there. Not to mention that they got a writer who hasn't even seen ROTS, and later clarified that he quote: "had no knowledge of Obi-Wan already knowing who Vader was." The writing as a whole is wack.

[@Bacontats]

Right? And Rebels was like rated G. But the mythos and canonicity was not abysmal and was handled by Dave pretty well. It wasn’t clone wars, but unfortunately, to expect an live action show to be any different than the trilogy series we got is asking too much.

[@roger632]

@@Bacontats Ikr? Like literally.

[@HyakuJuu01300]

Calling this absolute dogshitshow a fanfic would be an insult to all the fanfics out there.

[@roger632]

@@HyakuJuu01300 After this show is over, I'ma just stick with the Ahsoka series and Mando S3 as my only hope for the future. (and the animated content too) And considering that KK has a personal interest in the Acolyte series, I'ma stay clear away from that one; the lead female character of that show will probably end up being like a Reva 2.0 lol. In some ways, I almost would prefer watching TBOBF over this show tbh; just the fact that the New Rockstars channel basically descried this entire fourth episode as campy and really goofy, just hearing that is horrible; at least the biker kids were really the only goofy part of TBOBF, compared to the entirety of this episode of Kenobi being called "goofy."

[@Sam_T2000]

imagine this: - when Obi-Wan’s in the bacta tank, he sees flashes of Anakin burning on Mustafar, juxtaposed against himself burning in the fire last episode… - another scene where he tries and fails to contact Qui-Gon… he’s practicing his Force stuff, it’s not going well. someone in and says “we’ve found Leia with some technobabble!” and this buoys Obi-Wan’s spirits, and he’s able to grab his lightsaber from afar with the Force. - he and Tala infiltrate the fortress as portrayed. - the Jedi tomb scene was cool, but it was unconnected… make that a bigger deal, with Obi-Wan seeing someone he actually knows. maybe even Quinlan Vos? - Obi-Wan saves Leia from the torture room, they have that broken window escape scene, but then Reva catches up to them. - THEY FIGHT. - Obi-Wan is timid, but he’s still able to hold his own against a lowly Inquisitor… then Reva taps into some serious Dark Side anger and gets in a few good licks and gains the upper hand. - Obi-Wan, in some sort of tight spot, again closes his eyes and reaches out in the Force, and hears a voice… it’s hard to understand who it is, but it just _miiiight_ be Qui-Gon Jinn. the voice simply says _”trust_ the Force.” - Obi-Wan does some cool shit, disarms Reva, knocks her to the ground, and holds his lightsaber to her neck. - he’s considering killing her, looks off and sees Tala and Leia on a shuttle, ready to go… - Reva says some really hateful, deluded Dark Side crap… Obi-Wan realizes the path she’s gone down, and chooses the higher path for himself, and spares her, and the heroes escape. - the scene with Vader and Reva happens similarly, but Vader gives her a nice scar on her face for her failure (or something like that). she can still say she put a tracker on the droid or whatever, but it’s obvious that the screwed up, and didn’t intentionally let them escape… - the final scene can be the same, with Obi-Wan happy to have saved Leia, and feeling a little confident in his abilities and his cause for the first time in the series so far…

[@mray4784]

I can't believe that you write a better episode than "professional writers".

[@frostycane5134]

I’d personally prefer if he cut off her hand like he does to other inquisitors. For some reason Vader is really nice to her

[@newpsie17]

@@frostycane5134 he’s nice to her because she has plot armor

[@CharlieGreasby]

@@frostycane5134 absolutely agree Vader would never let her just get off free by placing a tracker on them lol

[@Sam_T2000]

@@frostycane5134 - yea, but it just seems like Vader might get tired of doling out that particular form of punishment… maybe he’d want to spice it up sometimes?

[@BlankAreAthletes]

There’s no chance they resolve the issues created by this. We already knew there were gonna be issues created but we hoped they would be solved. The mountain is just too high to climb in 2 episodes

[@Kilthan2050]

Maybe it all turns out to be a dream.

[@silerthinprath4283]

@@Kilthan2050 they wouldn't dare

[@QuestionMan]

Lucasfilm finds your lack of faith disturbing.

[@Kilthan2050]

@@silerthinprath4283 i don’t know, Somehow, Palpatine is back.

[@jaypking4945]

There was never a chance to solve the issues, y’all have just been fooled

[@ginger_gaming_channel]

I actually boo'ed at my TV when Vader decided to not kill Reva. She had her chance and she failed. That's the "You have failed me for the last time" or "Apology Accepted" moment. That's when Vader kills you. I don't understand how they got this wrong. Adding to the many stupid decisions made in this episode, why didn't Reva look into the memory bank of the Lola droid to see if it had recorded any information about the Path? The writing gets dumber and my interest in Disney+ Star Wars goes with it.

[@azariyelvarro6271]

She didn't fail though. They still know where Obi-Wan is. Moreso than when the episode started. Vader is ruthless, not stupid, he isn't going to waste cannon fodder before a big battle. As for the memory banks suggestion, she mightve, and they might not have had anything worthwhile in it. We don't need to see every tiny answer for every small nitpick. Otherwise I could pen a whole essay on how stupid it was that nobody ever thought to test the midichlorian counts of influential players in the clone wars when the jedi knew there was a shadowy hidden sith lord manipulating things somewhere. Or why nobody ever thought to give Obi-Wan enough money to bribe Jango Fett into joining their side when they knew a bounty hunter, only loyal to money, was arrayed against the republic. these are problems that only exist if you go digging for them. Matters too unimportant to warrant dedicated explanations. It really, really doesn't matter.

[@TheVeritas1]

Reminder: Vader didn't kill Piett when he failed in ESB.

[@heywoodfloyd9]

@@TheVeritas1 yes but at that point he'd already killed Ozzell and Needa. I think the Emperor would've been upset if Vader killed every single line officer that f--ks up.

[@starielife2680]

@@TheVeritas1 watch esb with the commentary on . Lucas explains why didn’t kill him

[@-AtomsPhere-]

I’m sorry Thor, as a Star Wars fan, I wanna like this, but it is just unbelievably dull and soulless. Those two adjectives are also how I feel about the franchise as a whole now.

[@WhiskyCardinalWes]

This show is miserable to watch. I have yet to make it through an episode without pausing it to try and figure out a plot hole that was just dug by the writers.

[@YuhlemanIncorporated]

Yup. It feels like by the end of the series we'll at least have like a ten minute youtube video of Obi-Wan doing cool stuff we can enjoy out of context.

[@dallasclark5533]

That's what happens to creativity now that giant corporations run everything. RetroBlasting did a phenomenal video on this called the Iger Sanctioning. Check it out sometime.

[@revengeofthesith.]

It's made me realize that nothing has, and ever will come close to the OG 6 films. I am officially tapping out of disney star wars now.

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@@revengeofthesith. the clone wars cartoon is one of the greatest cartoons ever written, and was created by Lucas with Faloni and team with writing. Even the season that was on Disney+ was mostly already written in 2013..

[@sqlmiaucot]

If Reva just had planted a tracking beacon on Leia's rescuers' ship and Kenobi had felt she was in danger and went to help her, we would end up with the same result, costing only maybe 10 minutes of show time, we wouldn't need to spend a whole episode on a filler side mission, and we would see more Vader and Kenobi, which is the solely reason I'm still watching this show.

[@ryanmccarthy7572]

lol yea. That’s what the show needs. More Vader vs. Kenobi. “The rematch of the century.” Omg no way so cool!

[@lucaschapman6745]

I think they should have just had vader taken kenobi in episode 3 instead. You would get more interactions between vader and obi-wan for sure then.

[@qui-gone]

If Reva had just tracked Bail organa to Kenobi's cave, the show would have ended in episode one itself. 🤣😜

[@myrithoros2540]

Showrunners really should hire fans with logical thinking (like you) to read the script and ask simple questions: "how this", "why that". If the writers can't answer them, then it means the script is bad.

[@QuestionMan]

"If this were a different series" perfectly describes my feelings. If they were trying to subvert my expectations, well...mission accomplished. I was expecting better. I would describe this episode as fan-fodder, full of superficially satisfying easter-eggs but little else.

[@MedalionDS9]

The Inquisitorious officers actually all seemed fairly observant and correctly know to question people who look suspicious and yet when sirens go off a tall guy with a huge bulge in his long jacket is walking by... "Nah, it'll be fine..."

[@Boristheborat]

And the only man with a beard in the station as well.

[@MedalionDS9]

@@Boristheborat Perhaps it was no shave november that day? :P

[@jesseadams2808]

Is it bad that I read this comment in the Critical Drinkers voice? 😅

[@peregrine9745]

And even after Ms. Reva has them stopped with dozens of blasters pointed at them, you still see extras (Imperials) walking calmly in the background. As though nothing worthy of note were happening in the hangar.

[@Boristheborat]

@@MedalionDS9 hahaha yeah all the female storm troopers have full beards

[@kanava6169]

Weird how Vader let's the very obviously incompetent inquisitors do all the hard work when it's about probably the number one task of his life which is hunting/capturing Kenobi instead of doing it himself. Not just weird but sucks how the inquisitors steal the spotlight from Vader. I liked Reva in the first 2 episodes but they havent't built any reason to care about her as a character so now it is getting funny how the show is trying to force the character to the audience though there is substance to it. As an episode it was a dumb waste of time considering this show is only 6 episodes, there is no space for filler rescue missions in that, though at this point it's not a secret anymore that the writers of this show are not the right people for that job. This is getting so annoying, they have the Disney budget and technology and everything but getting people who understand the source material seems to be impossible. Or Disney just doesn't care. I wouldn't even mind so much if i didn't have to get excited for a week just to get a very short lackluster episode. Imo Disney should take a break from live-action Star Wars. Or make less of them and put more effort to individual shows. Like to me the movies beat the shows in so many ways, the sets, the atmosphere, directing. When i watch an episode of Obi Wan Kenobi i instantly get the feel that this all is acting and everything is just kind of put into place and recorded. It's not exactly a feel i want to get from "Star Wars" content

[@dimenzed]

Yeah, Kenobi so far feels more like a fan made series rather than a real Star Wars show. It has big problems with cinematography, story, characters and etc. Pretty disappointing considering all the big fuss before it's release. One more project treated by Disney and Lucasfilm as a quick cash grab.

[@conorking3579]

They need to stop with these shit rebels characters. The inquisitors suck lol. They simply shouldn't exist. What happened to the rule of two.

[@hounsdjentlow3074]

@@conorking3579 yeah the rule of two is fucking awesome but there is room for there to be other dark force users otherwise we can't have settings like the old Republic era where there thousands of force users kicking about. Still, the inquisitors are shoe horned in and dumb af, like what? Does palp and vader kill them all before episode 4?

[@MrDybbs]

@@hounsdjentlow3074 Seems like you are misinformed, the Rule of Two was made after the Old Republic era, or close to the end. Created by Darth Bane after he realised that all the Sith (multiple sith) had way to much infighting to ever amount to anything.

[@hounsdjentlow3074]

@@MrDybbs oh bro, if that's the case then I apolagise for my statment and would like to say that the info was awesome, thank you! I didn't know this and I'm gonna go look it all up now, hard to tell what is cannon these days and what isn't

[@菠蘿包-v2i]

After 4 episodes I still don't get why they needed to put Reva in this show. Why (literally) remove the grand inquisitor, an established and good character, to put in some new inquisitor who is kind of the villain but also not because Vader is the villain?? Also, compared to the other inquisitors she doesn't feel as scary other than her being unpredictable.

[@dw1419]

The grand inquisitor wasn’t diverse enough, even though he’s a non-human.

[@TheVeritas1]

@@dw1419 Reva is one of the show's saving graces because her craftiness, cockiness and unpredictability are refreshing for an Imperial. Her being played by a Black actress is nice, but that's not what makes her stand out.

[@alejandrobernal9200]

@@TheVeritas1 I respectfully disagree, cause those traits you described of her being cocky while also crafty don’t really translate well in all honesty? Like let’s assume she wanted them to escape and that was her plan. How did she know that they even could escape? All of the ships that enter should be detected so how did only she know that those speeders were coming and no one else was in on the ruse? and how does she know that they won’t just go to Alderaan or some other planet instead of their base?

[@heywoodfloyd9]

Because she's a strong, proud blk w*mohn. No other reason. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

[@TheVeritas1]

@@heywoodfloyd9 So, is Mace Windu a bad character because he is a strong Black man?

[@SpeedingWheelbarrow]

I find it admirable that you've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. But this is Star Wars made by disney they are throwing buckets of money at it and literally have people on staff whose job it is to keep canon straight. In my opinion they must held to a higher standard than a fan project and this level of sloppiness is simply unacceptable. I have not been shy in my critic of the show I think it is completely sloppy writing done by people who are in it for nothing more than a pay check and some notoriety. For a lot of people this show was the last straw. For me the last straw was long ago. Either way this show had to be perfect. Not only is it not perfect, it's actively bad despite having a couple enjoyable and down good moments. I feel sorry for the people holding this show up as their last stand because now they have to come to terms with that.

[@Notarealchannelok]

This show was my last straw. I didn't even watch Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian was a promise of something better. Disney has taken a hot sticky load on this franchise. I'm done. I will probably still buy things like Jedi Survivor or the Kotor Remake but any Lucasfilm project is just hot garbage.

[@ariesroc]

I feel sorry for the people who apparently aren't watching the series and projecting a lot of their own anger on it. Like anyone who calls it another Last Jedi. It simply isn't that and saying it is won't make it so.

[@paulgnsn554]

@@ariesroc what makes you believe they aren't watching the series? I really enjoy some of the Leia/Ben moments but am finding this is far smaller and unimaginative in scope than I was expecting.

[@AbsolutePixelMaster]

Going into this show I had already decided that if it ends up being of poor quality, then I would no longer bother subscribing to Disney plus for future Star Wars shows anymore. I'll watch this one to the end and finish it, but I really see no value in keeping up with Star Wars now. Its just sloppy, constantly changing canon, even canon recently established, and barley even that entertaining. The potential is there, but clearly the passion and leadership needed to make Star Wars work is not.

[@sivad1025]

@@ariesroc I tried to give this series a chance, but it is so much worse than The Last Jedi. The Last Jedi, for one, was visually impressive. As stupid as the Holdo maneuver was, it looked great and was cool. The Kenobi show looks like it was filmed on a soundstage with an understaffed and underpaid effects team. There is not a single visually impressive moment here. But worse is the characters. Even jf you hate Luke in the Last Jedi, it's not a retcon since it takes place after the events of the previous films. But with Obi-Wan, ROTS, Rebels and ANH _all_ indicate that he spent those years training so he could prepare Luke to take down Vader. The fact that he is out of touch with the force is ridiculous and out-of-character. Obi-Wan was a Jedi Master, among the best of the best, who trained to let go of fear and suffering. How does it make any sense that he gave up on those beliefs only to regain them by the time the Rebels timeline roles around? It's an insult to the Kenobi that Lucas and Filoni created.

[@dmd356]

Can we acknowledge that all the people who defended the writers saying that Vader let obiwan go, were all wrong? Atleast the way vader acts in this episode, it definitely wasnt planned for some greater scheme

[@simonsaz9106]

Why? All those people who “defended” it were doing was clinging to hope. Don’t kick em when they’re down just to be a know it all prick

[@buckeyeguy458]

Exactly, Vader could have gone over or around the fire. He could have blown it out with the force, he could have walked through it, and he could’ve pulled Obi-Wan back through the fire. If they don’t resolve this, it’ll be the laziest bit of writing in Star Wars historg

[@Solo13508]

I don't think it was Revas original plan to let them get away. The tracker was a contingency in case they did escape to keep Vader from killing her

[@kdub3890]

Exactly. It wasn't worth spending any time breaking that down at all. She saw the opportunity and turned on Find My Phone in the droid. It was obviously plan B.

[@JoRoq1]

Nah, it was a writing cop-out. There are so many logical fallacies in her explanation, and there is no way the woman who is so obsessed with Kenobi that only an order directly from Vader kept her from chasing him in part 3 was suddenly going to plan ahead for Kenobi both infiltrating and escaping the Inquisitor stronghold itself. The Falcon escaping the Death Star was fully coordinated across the base, with everyone from Tarkin to the perimeter patrol pilots in on the plan. Even if you grant Reva the intent to come up with the plan, the fact that it was not shared with anyone undermines the effort.

[@Solo13508]

@@JoRoq1 I didn't say Reva planned it I said it was a contingency. Obviously if she could have kept Kenobi from getting away she would have

[@WhiskyCardinalWes]

How aware of the incompetence of your Empire forces do you have to be that you have a back up plan in place for a now twice failed plan? This is the second time that Obi has had to rescue Liea......

[@JoRoq1]

@@Solo13508 A “contingency” is planned, even when poorly planned. It is something done with a specific intent. It is not something done spur of the moment, just because, with no thought for what might come out of it. Reva had to have some idea in her head when she managed to load a tracker program into the droid. I doubt it was something she did to every droid, which means she put a specific effort into it.

[@Mr79Shahin]

Can somebody please explain how Tala managed to knock out an Imperial Officer in the midst of other Officers, somehow in pin drop silence. Whilst on the other hand, the faintest of sounds on Obi Wan’s wallow talkie is heard by those patrolling storm troopers? Wtf?! It really is diabolical writing in parts.

[@MrIlovetogame]

I was really hoping for this dark series with flashbacks between Obi-Wan and Anakin, maybe some Ahsoka. Cody, Rex,... Just, more. I know things could still come but I dont think it will happen.

[@paulgnsn554]

Agreed. With all the potential for prequel flashbacks, we have a very ordinary, unimaginative maguffin quest where Obi Wan goes from place to place being instructed or saved by others.

[@typhlosion212]

They should of added Ashoka to this story atleast once

[@MalevolentSpirit234]

I am sorry, so the wall of dead Jedi and the fact the Empire were about to torture a kid isn't dark enough for you? And why would Rex and Ahsoka appear, the Rebel Alliance as an organization, with which Ahsoka and Rex worked, still hasn't formed yet.

[@buckeyefan9746]

@@MalevolentSpirit234 Yes, but Cody, Rex and Ahsoka fought alongside Anakin and Obi-Wan on behalf of The Republic, and those events predate everything in this series.

[@Sergeant_Camacho]

One of the writers of this show said that he didn't know that Obi-Wan knew that Vader was Anakin since Revenge Of The Sith because he didn't even watch the OT and PT. IF they don't care about Star Wars basic lore, don't expect them to know about the Clone Wars at all. They don't care about Star Wars and the mythos.

[@carbondogma7388]

It felt like half of the scenes in this episode were just missing when I was watching it, making things pretty disorienting. Like when Ben and Tala went to talk to the rebel people, it felt like we were missing a full introduction to all three of those characters, especially when one of their deaths was dwelt on for so long at the end of the episode, we just jumped right into talking about a plan. Then once they landed Ben went from sitting inside the ship to immediately being swimming underwater. Next, after Tala gets past the security guard, she is next seen sitting at a desk talking to Ben. Does someone normally work at that desk? Why is nobody else in that room questioning the fact that someone they have never seen before is sitting at one of the desks? Then after the guy confronts her, how did nobody notice her attack that guy? Why did nobody question her return to the desk after? What was Ben's cylinder thing that he used to open the door to the restricted area? Was the door just unlocked? Did he hack it? Did he get a code cylinder that had clearance? After Tala manages to somehow take out the two stormtroopers escorting her, she then just appears across the base right next to Ben and Leia. Then when they go to escape, why not return to the ship they came in? What happened to it? Overall I just felt like there was a ton of connecting tissue missing as each scene seemed very disconnected from the last

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Was also kinda weird how Obi Wan just ran round the corner with his saber ignited already, we never saw it ignite. Little things like that just make it look bad.

[@WhiskyCardinalWes]

How did Liea and Obi walk past not one, but TWO inquisitors and not be seen or sensed?

[@migueltrujillo8929]

Also how Tala talking through a comlink and giving Kenobi directions/presumably sensitive base information quite openly doesn't seem to arouse any suspicion among the other imperials in the room in the least, as if her behavior is quite normal.

[@calebdouglas6861]

The show so far has been Leah gets taken, Obi-Wan goes to find her. Leah gets taken again, Obi-Wan goes to find her again. 4 episodes and nothing has happened that is noteworthy in the bigger picture other than I guess the "fight" between Vader and Obi-Wan. Much like the sequels I'm not sure why this needs to exist

[@shadokat]

You forgot the most important plot points (according to Disney): 1. Leia gets taken. 2. Kenobi goes after her. 3. **Reva uses superior powers, intelligence, and skills to figure everything out and be one step ahead of everyone else. All hail Reva!** 4. Leia gets taken. 5. Kenobi goes after her. 6. **Reva uses superior powers, intelligence, and skills to figure everything out and be one step ahead of everyone else. All hail Reva!** Rinse, repeat.

[@calebdouglas6861]

@@shadokat Oh, right! How could I forget the most important character in Star Wars? (besides maybe Rey) She's so important she's never mentioned at any time after this in the story!

[@TheRibottoStudios]

This episode felt like one big unfired Chekov's gun. For those that don't know, it's a writing tool where you introduce something in the first act, then USE IT in the final act. THIS episode and the show feels like the writer doesn't know what Chekov's gun is. And that's BAD because that's basic writing 101. You set something up, you pay it off later. And even with all of it's own problems, even The Rise of Skywalker had setup and payoff. Rey needs to learn how to commune with Force Ghosts? That's paid off in the final battle. Rey needs to find out who she is? We see hints of her being a Palpatine via the force lightning, that's confirmed later on. We see Rey with the Jedi Texts we later see her able to use the Force to heal, assuming she learned from the books. We see more payoff of the Force Dyad setup in The Last Jedi. Even the most messy trilogy in the history of trilogies, knows what CHEKOV'S GUN IS and most importantly, how to PROPERLY USE IT. Here...not at all. And it's annoying asf. And the expectations of Clone Wars flashbacks, Cal Kestis or Cere are VERY reasonable ones to have-they aren't outlandish, or impossible like say having Hayden come back for the sequel trilogy that just seemed like a way too out there expectation. But here? With him being MARKETED as ANAKIN AND VADER? Foolish. Absolutely foolish to not utilize Hayden more. I'd be insulted.

[@ravenfal1496]

Haven't actually watched the show yet (as I prefer to binge) - what specifically was set up but not paid off here?

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@ravenfal1496 Anakin was seen in ep 3 as a hallucination, that's a clear setup for him to either hallucinate more of Anakin which he never did, or CW flashbacks which we never got. Obi-Wan was clearly traumatized in the bacta tank after confronting his apprentice but that's never paid off in the episode in fact he acts completely fine, where as even before the encounter, he was hallucinating Anakin. Vader said that the consequences would be severe if Reva failed in capturing Obi-Wan. She failed. He did nothing. LITERALLY NOTHING. When he other media he's killed for less. There's a line where it's mentioned that no one has ever made it in to the fortress, it would've been a perfect setup for Cal Kestis to be mentioned or Cere to make a return but no. Chekov's gun is a tool where IMPORTANT or significant things mentioned or shown in the first act, should be USED later. But this episode and show over all doesn't do that.

[@aTADtoofar]

In all fairness, the series hasn't finished yet. I'm happy to see how the series pays off before seeing how I fell about it.

[@corymartin3018]

I’m just sick of the constant teleporting and time skips. Episode 3: how did Reva get past Tala and Leia in the tunnel? Episode 4: how did Obi-wan and Tala somehow get off world if the only pilot that could take them was killed by the teleporting Reva? Episode 4: how did Reva somehow dismantle and rewire a droid in the few seconds she was away from Leia? Also, why is this Vader such a punk? The guy kills admirals left and right without a second thought. But somehow Reva is still alive despite her team rocket levels of failure

[@JorgeTorrespluspage]

Remember the instant communication between the probe droid who found Kenobi and the Inquisitors, then, they traveling to the planet he was in, in less than what? 20 minutes? Also, Vader is a smart guy, he doesn't want to be cancelled, that's why he didn't kill Reva.

[@corymartin3018]

@@JorgeTorrespluspage hahahaha!

[@georgeshears7974]

this show is bottom of the barrel for me, the writing is pathetic, using Hayden Christensen for about 15 seconds over 4 episodes, making Obi Wan a passenger in his own show, making Vader and the Empire out to be a bunch of sympathetic weaklings and for what? to push Reva, a character that has no life outside of these last two episodes?

[@staroceans8677]

I love Ewan, I'm glad he's getting his rhythm back and his confidence as Obi Wan, the laser scenes were excellent. However, I am so tired of Reva, this has become her show, and she's been in all 4 episodes, enough is enough! Vader should have force choked her, because she's reckless and selfish.

[@shadokat]

Exactly. Why do we even need Reva? This is supposed to be about Vader looking for Obiwan. He has a whole squad of inquisitors. Why don't we see him masterfully directing their efforts and ruthlessly killing anyone who fails the slightest task, as we've seen him do in the past? Why do we have one defiant, obnoxious inquisitor circumventing the rest of the team to do her own thing, and why is she consistently winning at it? I would rather see Vader leading Obiwan into an intricate trap with the help of his inquisitors and Obiwan barely managing to escape by the skin of his teeth after an epic showdown. Instead we get the Reva show, with her loudly and proudly trying to torture a ten-year-old child. Whoopee. /s

[@Indylimburg]

Yeah, was kinda hoping he would make good on his threat and kill her.

[@Mr.CreamCheese69]

And now we can see they never had a direction for it. They simply made the show for the sake of it, as an excuse to grab some cash. "As long as we have obi and vader on film, even if there is no story, we will get paid" and that's all that matters to them

[@SimmerCK]

Disney has a direction. This is just a set up for Teen Leia, the new Disney Princess.

[@Mr.CreamCheese69]

@@SimmerCK ohh God please no

[@1johpo]

HAHAHA I like how Leia asks Reva “Is this a staring contest” when Reva is trying to read her mind! Like wait, Reva can’t even read Leia’s 10 year old mind when Leia is NOT EVEN TRYING TO FIGHT IT?

[@pedrorenault5335]

Leia definitely has passive force skills

[@roviH]

You'd think that would've immediately made her suspicious regarding Leia's force potential

[@Fatsaver]

It's almost as if you don't need training anymore to become powerful... hmmm reminds me of someone..

[@shadowscythes]

I find the fact that Reva, a relatively rookie inquisitor compared to the rest of them, even has the ability to probe minds like that strange

[@waltercruz6560]

My nitpick for this episode was how Tala was siting in a room with other people, where no one else was talking, yet no one noticed that she was having an intercom conversation that was obviously about breaking into the base! I think it was noticed only a couple of times when it was convenient for the plot, otherwise everyone looked the other way to the very suspicious two way conversation in a quiet room.

[@chasehedges6775]

Just like Book Of Boba Fett, Obi Wan Kenobi is in the same barrel of mediocrity and meh. I will give it this though: Ewan is fantastic and Leia is adorable and her actress was amazing in this.

[@calebcustombricks2631]

It’s worse than BOBF

[@Hero_Of_Old]

@@calebcustombricks2631 Atleast BOBF had a really good 2nd episode and the Mando episode was fantastic. Kenobi is just BLAND and bad all over

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Hero_Of_Old 💯💯💯👍. Agreed. The 2nd and 5th episodes were awesome. 🚀🚀🚀 And the biker mod girl played by Sophie Thatcher was 🔥

[@fellowpassenger_54-67]

I wouldn’t say this series is as bad as BoBf, that show was dogshit, especially since the only decent episodes it did have didn’t focus on the protagonist at all, and I really liked this show’s first 3 episodes, there were moments I disliked but they were pretty good for the most part, it’s just episode 4 was worse than the first 3, hopefully 5 and 6 are better

[@lakernation26]

BOBF was dog shit 🙄

[@muskelversagen]

I love how obiwan had to chunk down the life bar of the stromtrooper with 3 lightsaber hits until he was finally dead with a small scratch on his armour..... and angry vader really gave me kylo ren tantrum vibes. What a great show....

[@BillyBasd]

That multiple hits thing got to me, as I don't recall other SW media requiring multiple hits to down a trooper

[@T.OFearghail]

I find myself watching this not out of curiosity or joy but rather in a state of mourning for Star Wars. This show was the one thing they absolutely needed to get right and they didn’t. RIP SW

[@austinmitchell2652]

You can't just skip over how they escaped a planet with Vader and the Inquisitors present. There had to be AT LEAST two Star Destroyers on that planet to catch outbound ships

[@josephthespaceman8485]

I agree

[@josephthespaceman8485]

The ship they launched the speeders from should not of even been able to get into the system in the first place it should’ve been at least light cruisers at ever hyper space exit and a Space station in orbit and ties flying CAP(combat air patrol) around the fortress it would be literally impossible for that attack to work. That is barely scratching the surface of only the speeder attack scene.

[@josephthespaceman8485]

Rebels was for kids and I like it but they got a way with a lot of shit that they shouldn’t of but rebels realized that space fleets exist This is a whole new level of stupid

[@haydonhockey]

I thought this episode was awful. I really hope this show can somehow salvage itself in the last two episodes but as of now it’s feeling like as big of a dud as Book of Boba Fett.

[@vincentoh955]

Imagine writing a show. And having so little imagination that the main story of the first 4 out of 6 episodes, is just Leia getting kidnapped and rescued twice...

[@enelson1976]

If you're going to do an infiltration of an impregnable fortress, make it feel like a clever approach was needed. This was just silly. Totally killed it for me, honestly. I don't hate this series at the moment, but I'm disappointed. Just stacks of wasted opportunities.

[@luisgarrido5185]

From the start I was concerned that this series would create continuity/coherence issues with the "bigger picture". The progression of the episodes just confirmed my concerns. It is a totally unnecessary series with major plot holes between ROTS and ANH.

[@strangeform]

That scene with them escaping, looking like children trying to get into an R rated movie, was nearly my "that's it, I'm out!" moment. It probably could have been forgiven if it weren't for the fact that everyone was on high alert BECAUSE OF THEM. I like the animated stuff but there is a certain amount of suspension of disbelief that usually isn't required in the live action shows, that is until book of boba fett, which was a weird uneven amalgamation of good and ridiculous story telling. And I think Obi-Wan is the worst offender of this child like story telling yet. Yeah there is drama, but it is a very naive style of drama, and that is what I think is so off putting to many people...hell, I probably wouldn't have noticed half my complaints if the show was done in the rebels style animation (half, som complaints are fundamental). Star wars has never been Shakespeare, but it used to be classical myth making stories.

[@novustalks7525]

There's nothing wrong with the escape

[@azariyelvarro6271]

​@@novustalks7525 yeah. sure it was a bad plan but, like, what the fuck else could they have done? They needed to hide Leia and didn't exactly have an imperial uniform on hand that could fit an eight year old or a container to shove her into. the only other option would have been to do a bull rush to the transport in broad daylight. Which would have no doubt ended up as a far worse move all things considered.

[@MrChupacabra555]

I fully expected "Mama Sandsnake" to die helping Obi Wan escape, showing there would be a cost to do this (instead a 'Red Shirt' dies to demonstrate the cost, and I didn't care about that unknown character at all).

[@snoopyrogue359]

I’m sorry Thor I was watching your video on your 2nd channel, I immediately had to come here

[@cmd31220]

I liked the episode for what it was, but the things you're pointing out in this video are just too glaring to ignore. This show is wiping its butt with things like established canon and plot consistency, the characters are becoming increasingly inconsistent, and the fact that Vader didn't snap Reva's neck for failing LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD IN THE LAST EPISODE is the cherry on top of making the empire look like a complete joke

[@shadowscythes]

The point about Vader is absolutely right, I didn't realize that until you pointed it out here. Wow, that's disappointing.

[@shadokat]

I was yelling at the screen, "Kill her Vader! Please kill her!" Alas, he could not hear me and didn't fulfill my wishes. 🙁😕

[@Kai_fire_master]

I think this show should have been a movie. They’re wasting a lot of time on things that originally might have been good ideas but in execution are falling flat. I really enjoyed the inquisitors in rebels, but here they’re just not working at all. Make it a movie about kenobi and vader and don’t give us all the unnecessary stuff.

[@GabiBrooks]

I realised that too while watching the episode earlier...I used to think a series would be perfect for this story but yeah...not like this

[@8rgk]

It shouldn’t have been a movie either. In fact, it should have been nothing, because this whole story did not need to be told. It only serves to undermine Obi-Wan and A New Hope.

[@ElewIV]

The only "relatively" decent thing about this episode was that Obi wan wasn't completely incompetent... And that's only a thing because of how pathetic he's been the first 3 episodes. I actually think a much more compelling story would have been having him STILL be at RoTS power levels but unable to act because of his mission.

[@paulgnsn554]

Exactly what I think. The struggle NOT to act when he cam, because of his protection role. This Obi Wan is no kind of protection at all. A fully powered Obi Wan thrashed by a far more powerful Vader would have been a better path I think.

[@riteousrighthand6144]

Or having to be creative in his application of the force, as not to rouse suspicion. Even showing Kenobi meditating in a cave or something, with Kyber crystals, or whatever other mumbo-jumbo you want to use, masking his use of the force, so he could communicate with Qui Gon.

[@SuperGoose42]

Trailers: "The boy must be trained!" The show: (can barely lift a rock, runs away from Sith like a coward, uses fists and a blaster, also ignores the "boy" in question for most of the series)

[@V1CT1MIZED]

Meanwhile Rey holds a lightsaber for the first time and beats a Skywalker who's trained all his life.

[@SuperGoose42]

@@V1CT1MIZED 🤦‍♂️

[@HyakuJuu01300]

Power of the ovaries, baby. Get used to it.

[@aname4390]

I remember you saying that Kenobi needed to do exceptionally well for the future of star wars. Instead I only see it fracturing the fanbase even further. I can't see any reconciliation under Disney anymore.

[@callmeej8399]

They have obliterated this franchise

[@atb2674]

Even The Mandalorian cant carry all this weight and it doesnt bode well to Ahsoka, the only project we’re still looking forward to left. My enthusiasm is deflated.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

@@atb2674 and Book of boba ruined Mandos storyline

[@atb2674]

@@Hero_Of_Old glad someone brought that up. I was one of many dazzled by Mando, Grogu, Ahsoka and Luke, but after i sat i realized i didn’t like Luke making grogu choose, I didnt like reuniting grogu and Mando (let alone in another show wtf now i gotta make my gf watch this series to stay up with Mandalorian). I didnt like the implications these fanfares caused

[@Kris-Kash]

I'm checked out of this series and added it to the list of Non Sanctioned Star Wars content along with Sequels and Solo. Kenobi isn't a hopeless dead beat loser, and neither is Luke or Han. Obi-Wan's lightsabers were never buried hopelessly in the sand. He was protecting Luke and everything the Jedi fought for.

[@burlylizard8248]

It is infuriating that the empire is consistently shown to be so incompetent. Cal Kestis breaks into the Fortress Inquisitorius via THE SAME METHOD as Kenobi in this series. Which means that a jedi has breached the security of the same imperial "fortress", made a joke of internal security, stolen something, and broke back out TWICE BY THE EXACT SAME ENTRY METHOD. You'd THINK that the empire would learn something about the integrity of their security after the first time. It is also shown in Fallen Order that the Mustafar system (or at minimum, Nur) is protected by an Imperial blockade of several ISDs. Theres no way that a freighter snuck past the ISDs in orbit, or remain in atmosphere without fighters being scrambled. Even given that all of that happens, there's NO WAY that that cargo ship is fast enough to run an imperial blockade. Its so lazy.

[@burlylizard8248]

Furthermore, it's established in the original trilogy that imperial shuttles are required to produce current landing codes when they connect with the fleet, or ground bases. Theres no way that Tala would have been permitted to land. Even if she was, Officers don't fly their own shuttles. She would have been immediately flagged as suspicious.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

"They don't have shields because no one attacks anyway." SERIOUSLY??

[@PunkRockPundit]

One thing I don't get is: When Vader is force choking Reva for her failure...why did he stop and let her go? We've seen Vader crush his subordinates again and again for far less egregious errors. For him to say "I underestimated you" simply because she used a tracker? I mean, come on! Between that and him letting Kenobi escape at the end of episode 3, Vader's malice and intimidation is being watered down to the point it's not any stronger than a $15 drink at Disneyland!

[@callmeej8399]

Because plot

[@Hero_Of_Old]

And Reva says something like "it will help us follow him and find out where he is." Like, yes. That is what a tracker does.

[@PunkRockPundit]

@@Hero_Of_Old Exactly! There are so many problems with this show I don't even know where to start.

[@777-pdf]

Dude I respect your complete honesty, sick of other Star Wars channels saying this show is amazing when it's definitely not

[@RaikenXion]

Yeh i feel about the same this episode was okay. But yeh i'm now realizing the main jist of this show is centered around Kenobi rescuing young Leia, they've just basically stretched it out and it's meant that there's not really much going on here. Yeh the Imperials looked frickin stupid not noticing Obi-Wan in a Imperial cap with his beard and 4 legs walking under his coat. I dont get how when those airspeeders came just conveniently at the right moment, why then didn't they scramble the tie fighters after them? Also when the airspeeders turned up for the rescue, how did Kenobi, Indra and kid Leia all fit in that little ship!? Last i remembered only two pilots can fit in there, one in the back on the grapple tow-cable gun and one in pilot cockpit. Anyway yeh things i liked, the whole mission impossible thing of sneaking into the inquisitorious base, with Kenobi swimming underwater, while Indra is undercover and guiding him in. I also liked seeing ewan use his Jedi lightsaber skills all coming back to him slowly but surely. Obviously every scene with Hayden as Vader was badass and might i just say, your boy James Earl Jones sounds amazing as Vader here. I'm sure they used somekind of digital work to clean up his voice now, cause Jones did not sound like this in Rogue One. His voice was abit more gruff in that awesome movie just sayin. Yeh so overall i give this a 3 out of 5, this show really should have been 12 nice 40min long episodes.

[@bloog3600]

"Obi-wan Kenobi. Obi-wan. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.' 'I think my uncle knows him. He said he was dead.' 'Oh, he's not dead. Not yet.' 'Oh so you know him.' 'Of course I know him. He's me. I've not gone by the name Obi-wan since, oh, before you were born." - Star Wars A New Hope

[@pythagoras2301]

this whole show has been nothing but plot conveniences, "and then" storytelling, with "well it says it right here in the script so.." We know next to nothing about any of the characters or their motivations created for this show. All we have gotten so far is a few good ideas, with a pile of "oh look at the shiny nostalgia" in a nonsensical discombobulated story that has broken canon thus far.

[@bigbilly4532]

This episode is pretty much a copy pasted way worse version of the exact level and plot point for point beat for beat from Jedi Fallen Order. Except fallen order somehow looked way better, had better writing and had better acting. Add to that the fact that Fallen Order took place 5 years before this and destroyed large portions of the base, involved the exact same break in and exact same flooding from window issue it is just inconceivable that: 1. nobody would know or mention that all that had happened; 2. The structure and security of the facility wouldnt be tailored against those weaknesses; 3. Vader wouldnt be like wait wtf i literally went through this identical plot in this identical location with a previous inquisitor recently. On top of that, All of it was just extremely lazy and added nothing at all to the story.

[@enelson1976]

It might have been amusing to hear a storm trooper say, "oh shit, not again" when the glass started breaking.

[@jtrash1397]

To give the show an ounce of credit, this episode looked very visually appealing, especially when placed next to episode 3s duel location. I still think there are issues with the pacing so far, and I'm sad such a short episode gave us such little Kenobi and Vader. The shot with Vader speed walking at Reva was incredible to look at, but his extreme patience towards her seems a little odd given his history with other inquisitors. While its very far from the worst (looking at TBoBF) the smaller errors and disregard for continuity is very very frustrating.

[@zrally2107]

Visually stunning but the compliments end there. Modern Disney in a nutshell

[@jtrash1397]

@@zrally2107 well what's frustrating is that even the visuals seem inconsistent in the recent shows, but I wouldnt completely discount all of star wars under Disney. It seems like the animated stuff and less main line ideas are given some level of passion, but there is certainly a pattern.

[@Vixin24]

Agree except I wouldn't say Vader was being patient with Reva. He walked straight in there and started choking her to death until she said she'd placed a tracker, therefore he allowed her to live. I dunno why people are saying he was merciful. He simply allowed her to live since she didn't fuck up like he expected. Agree about the short episode length though and lack of Vader/Kenobi. I'm hoping this is the calm before the storm and the next two episodes will have a ton of them interacting.

[@jtrash1397]

@@Vixin24 I think hed probably take a limb over the single fact they allowed people to breach the security at all, let alone have kenobi slip by without outright capturing him. This is a much less important detail than larger plot contrivances like the bases having almost no defenses at all, or why there isnt a portion of the imperial fleet over the planet at all. I really do hope the show finishes strong, but I'm still disappointed by the level of writing for the show so far.

[@thomasfryer5706]

Maybe Reva is the only one that knows about the connection between Organa and Kenobi? If she dies at the end, it might work. I guess the Grand Inquisitor should know, but he is still nowhere to be found. Although, if he comes back, maybe he just doesn’t see it as his place to hunt Kenobi? Thinking about it, Vader knows about Kenobi’s connection with Bail, so maybe there is a reason why Vader decides not to use Leia to draw Kenobi out? Or maybe he just sees it as a plan that has already failed? Maybe it’s because, assuming Kenobi beats Vader in their next duel, Vader uses the next few years to train even more, and then by the time he is ready to face Kenobi again, Leia is a Junior Senator, and the Emperor refused to allow Vader to cause an incident in the Senate. He has been show to care little about Vader’s hunt for Kenobi, so I think it could make sense. I think they could make it work, but it will be hard. On the note of the escape and tracking, she knew that Janna and Kenobi knew where the Path was, so she would be able to get it out of Janna. The tracker was a back up plan. And I’m guessing that what will even if they drop off Leia, either the droid will slip away and back onto the ship, or it has a tracker that it will plant. I don’t see the transport getting into the atmosphere as being that bad, as the Mantis was able to get there with relative ease. Maybe if it was closer together it would be less likely, but one minor infiltration in 10 years would likely mean that the security was sloppy at best, especially 5 years later. Same reason why they weren’t able to scramble Tie Fighters that fast. They weren’t fast enough to scramble fighters after the Mantis.

[@mannyfresh03]

They were never supposed to use the senators as bait due to them being very important people that’s why Vader doesn’t use them

[@chrisgibbs4288]

This is the episode for me where they broke too much lore to ignore as well.

[@munozali1]

I think that when Vader tells Obi-Wan "I've been waiting for you" he meant that he could sense his presence on the Death Star and was waiting and looking forward to facing off with his old master again. I never thought Vader meant that he had been waiting for Obi-Wan all those years, since the Jedi were pressumed to be dead. I don't think Vader knew Obi-Wan was still alive until he sensed his presence on the Death Star.

[@heywoodfloyd9]

Exactly. The sense of mystery of not knowing or filling in the gaps with your own imagination is part of what made SW great. Less is more.

[@sarahgesell7275]

I haven’t had any issues believing in Obi-Wan’s character arc. When you look at the timeline this is set in, the trauma he went through (with additional possible Force-sensitive influences), and the severe isolation he’a been enduring, the portrayal of Obi-wan makes sense. I can look at the writing and Ewen’s performance and see a decade of being ground deeper into misery and depression. Leia is a delight in her portrayal, even if the character arc for her is struggling. I also don’t mind Reva and how Ingram is portraying her. I’m not connecting as well with her character but that’s mostly writing and a bit Ingram herself being very new to professional acting. Ingram is putting everything she has into this role and the areas where her lack of experience are highlighted by the many veteran actors surrounding her. The story is the biggest issue I’m having. The idea is good but I’ve gone from being excited to watch Kenobi to an attitude more akin to, “Well, I guess I’ll watch the episode now so I don’t get spoiled by media commentary”. Obi-wan being drawn out of seclusion and rededicating himself to the Jedi way is a great idea but it feels like they’re trying to do too much. Instead of keeping a narrow focus on Obi-wan and using just Vader as his pursuer, we’re also building up Leia and Reva’s stories. And that’s just too much for a mere 6-episode series. I’ve been delighted by the prequel-era tie-ins and my husband, a burnt out Star Wars fan, did comment in passing that he thought the set and costuming design was a good blend of the prequel and original eras. But the original era itself doesn’t feel like it’s getting much respect and that is quite disheartening. I’m planning to watch this through to its conclusion but my expectations have been greatly diminished, which is disappointing.

[@zakcochers1884]

For me there is no way Kenobi wins when the duel of the century takes place. Think it through. If he does, there is no way that he spends the next 10 years or so like we think he does. He's already seen way too much of Vader than I ever thought he would, the Empire knows too much about him, Palpatine is as surpirsed as anyone when Kenobi turns up on the deathstar....Vader needs to belive he killed Ben to become the cold, focused Sith we see down the line....in my opinion

[@riteousrighthand6144]

Continuity is already shredded. All bets are off.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

A train wreck. Everything is broken.

[@joedahippie9202]

he also has to win so that the "last time we met i was still the learner" line makes some sort of sense.

[@alekssavic1154]

I don't think he needs to think Kenobi is dead, just not a threat (if Vader soundly beats Obi-Wan, who then somehow escapes, I think it's good enough). Although no matter what they do there's no way to reconcile all of the comments in A New Hope at this point. If Vader wins then his comments about anticipating the fight and being better now than when they last met make no sense, and if Obi-Wan wins there's no way he just gets to chill on Tatooine. And if he seems to have died the Tarkin/Vader discussion doesn't make sense. Obviously this is all pedantic nit-picking, and if the story were good I wouldn't care, but so far I'm not really convinced (Jedi: Fallen Order told a very similar story, and in my opinion did it better despite the story telling limitations being a video game brings).

[@greyworld6242]

It feels like it breaks the story with reva just revealing to leia that Ben and kenobi are the same person. Also the interrogation scene felt weird with reva thinking that leia would know anything about the path that we literally just found out about in the episode last week. 4:20 also two inquisitors where in the same area as them and they didn’t sense anything?! 12:19 are you saying you want that force diad crap or something?!

[@drp1bb856]

He was already referred to as Obi Won twice in front of Leia. Once in front of her and in this episode directly to her by Reva Ren. It become apparent how much Kennedys side of SW is influencing this show.

[@SwiftPlayzlive]

I tried to warn people the show was going to be more of the same :( I wish they would stop telling stories about fan favourites when they clearly don’t have the reverence or respect needed to actually make a good show that will portray the legacy characters correctly. The last two episodes are going to have to be better then perfect to fix this series for me, and even then not sure if you can call a series even good when 2/3 of it are garbage

[@Oldstalk]

I'd argue we are way beyond the fact they cannot portray legacy characters correctly : they cannot do a good show to begin with. Most problems in Obi-Wan Kenobi have no link to how they chose to portray said character : its just badly filmed and directed, some dialogues are strange, the music is forgettable... It's just a bad show to begin with.

[@SwiftPlayzlive]

@@Oldstalk agreed. I more specified the legacy characters because they did a great job in mando (but managed to undo it all in between seasons in TBOBF 🤦‍♂️) so clearly sometimes they can get it right, but between the sequels, solo, book of boba and kenobi it’s pretty obvious they should stay miles away from any legacy characters. I find it terrifying that some fans are begging Disney for old republic…. Yes let’s watch them ruin Revan and all of those beloved characters and stories too 😪

[@elilucas3361]

im tired of feeling like the best we can hope for when it comes to a new piece of disney star wars is that its "not that bad" cause thats where most fans are at

[@TheGlassSword]

I was in the watch party with Star Wars theory last night, we did find out the writer is not familiar with canon or was aware at first obi wan knew Vader=anakin

[@Cryptosifu]

Why would they hire an idiot who doesn’t know canon anywhere close to a script?

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

To me its really incredible how anyone can still be in denial/making excuses or try to justify that this show is "about to get better" as if its just around the corner that the show will miraculously get better. If 90% of the show so far is crap doesn't it mean its crap? Do those 10% make it some how great or disqualify the bad? That's just how your review comes across. It doesn't do you any justice. Either the show is crap or its good.

[@Jed_the_Malamute]

Only a sith deals in absolutes my friend. I enjoyed episodes 1 and 3, so I'm hopeful that ep 5 and 6 will get into the real story that should've been told. However 1/3rd of the show being bad isn't a good track record.

[@mayalackman7581]

In all seriousness I've not been saying it's "about to get better". I have enjoyed every episode more than the last. I understand almost every criticism people have made against it but most of them I wouldn't have noticed if someone else didn't point it out.

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

@@mayalackman7581 So you're saying that if I were to serve you poop presented as chocolate cake you'd happily eat it and ask for more? That's what I took from your comment. No offense.

[@mayalackman7581]

@@orarinnsnorrason4614 that is pretty damn offensive.

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

@@mayalackman7581 Maybe it was a bit over the top. But its just so annoying seeing the youtubers like Thor and now SW Theory all defensive and in denial over the show like its about to magically get better. I was on a stream last night and heard that SW Theory was going ham about the show on his watch party. So I thought to myself, hm maybe he's stopped defending the show so maybe his newest review will be good. Ok so I checked it out and its the same bs denial/defensiveness all over again. So bad.

[@ricardodelrivero8432]

I agree, this story prolonged for too long "the kidnap" writers have not a clear vision or goal with this show, no reason to extend kidnap and rescue of leia, tracker on droid should've been done in episode 3

[@dominicsbroccoproduction]

I think the biggest issue for me with Leia is how she knows who Obi Wan is now and when she sends her message in, ‘A New Hope,’ why doesn’t she just say, “Hey you saved my life when I was ten!” Instead of you served my father in the clone wars two decades ago. Seems Leia would want Kenobi to remember her and knows how personal/deep her life being saved was Id like Bail to tell her in the finale, like hey, you must forget that man ever existed. But Leia should’ve left the show in Episode 3 at the start to be honest or even at the end of it. It is what it is, we’ll see how the next two episodes take us!

[@thebeastgames27]

Yeah I wish she left earlier. They might break canon if she stays in the whole series seeing how we think this will end

[@frankb3347]

Stop thinking. Unquestioningly accept whatever is presented. Buy more Disney product. Always buy more Disney product.

[@erraticuk]

Who could have guessed that Robot Chicken makes the best stars was content.

[@jonathonschram3429]

No 'benefit of the doubt' left for me. I really, really wanted to like this series. Now I'm not even sure I want to finish it. There is no way to make this fit into established movie cannon at this point. I don't see anyway for them to make this fit anymore. Vader knows in ANH that Obi-wan wasn't dead. Leia obviously doesn't know obi personally in ANH. Too many other inconsistencies along the way. Are we to believe vader is an idiot and wouldn't go after Leia again after this drew out obi wan? This is the filming and production of a first draft of somebody's fan-fic.

[@mannyfresh03]

Reva wasn’t to touch the senators in the first place. She was reprimanded for it, so Vader wouldn’t be able to touch them either

[@frostycane5134]

@@mannyfresh03 Vader wouldn’t care , if he knew leia was a key to getting kenobi he would’ve been on Alderaan and holding the organa’s hostage

[@Oldstalk]

Even cinema students would not come up with some scenes we saw in Obi-Wan Kenobi. This is so cheap and badly filmed it's not even on this level sometimes.

[@ariesroc]

Where in the story does it say Vader know about Leia? Vader doesn't care about details. Only results. The only one who knows about Leia so far is Reva and some underlings who will never talk to Vader.

[@mannyfresh03]

@@frostycane5134 he would care if the emperor says not to go after them

[@TheTurtlebot]

If I'm being honest I was hoping the series would be him connecting with qui gon and facing his demons while meditating in the desert, pretty much have the first episode the same where it shows he's lost his way and Owen doesn't trust him, but then have him finding his way by meditating and wandering the dune sea. There wouldn't have been a real rematch, but maybe a force vision rematch with Vader would have been fitting.

[@callmeej8399]

That was the only way I could see a Kenobi show being decent

[@Oldstalk]

Good lord, you are too ambitious, remember the people who wrote this thought hiding Leia under Obi-Wan's costume in front of hundreds of imperial agents was a great idea and made sense. What you are suggesting is way beyond their skill, or even their ambition. They don't care about making a great story, they just want to release a new series

[@TheTurtlebot]

@@Oldstalk one can hope

[@-AtomsPhere-]

I can’t imagine what George Lucas thinks as he watches this soulless empty shell of his once passion project. I picture him wiping away tears with 100 dollar bills.

[@Be_reasonable101]

Kenobi wears a burlap sack. Kenobi swims a mile underwater. Kenobi jumps out of the water with his burlap sack. Kenobi and his clothes are bone dry. This show is meant for 8yr olds.

[@claywoolcock3034]

I’ve said it for years. Fans could sit for a single day and come up with a far stronger storyline than the one provided by highly paid ‘experts’. Plot holes, poor decisions, inconsistencies with the rest of the SW universe and even within this series and even this episode - Kenobi has all of these. Im watching it for the sake of watching it, but this is just so frustrating. Yet again. How much of this TLJ throwback trash can I stand before walking away altogether? Disney Lucasfilm is testing my limits right now…

[@drewhigbee815]

This whole episode could've been like the episode from Last Airbender, The avatar and the fire lord. Dual flashbacks from Obi Wan and a Vader to some clone wars events and show each person's perspective on some events.

[@judyeure5974]

The first thing I thought of when Reva was interrigating Leia was the episode of Rebels when Thrawn had Hera and was interrigating her. It was pretty close to identical.

[@mikereger1186]

Thrawn is a bloody sight cleverer and more dangerous. He doesn’t need violence. And I doubt he’d use physical harm to a kid, he’d use leverage instead.

[@judyeure5974]

What I'm referring to is the scene itself. Thrawn is about to use more drastic tactics and is interrupted...Reva is about to use more drastic tactics and is interrupted. Not the characters but the scene.

[@mikereger1186]

@@judyeure5974 yeah, it seems there's been a number of not so subtle parallels to the movies with this production too. Possibly the writers are trying to be clever and say "history repeats itself" and feed into the botched unsubtle TLJ break-the-cycle narrative. Or it's just lazy writing. If it's the former, then that's not good, it suggests that those in charge of the story are not the right people for the task. If it's the latter, it means a lack of creativity.

[@jacobcollins4477]

Stormtrooper armor is now confirmed to hold up better to lightsabers than to Ewok spears. Awesome.

[@heavysnow3846]

I'm just scared that they mess my Boy Quinlan Vos up, as they did with boba. Im exited and scared at the same time about seeing him in Kenobi

[@HandofOmega]

Clone Wars kind of already did that! Quinlan Vos on that show was nothing at all as he was in the comics...

[@lucaschapman6745]

I'm skeptical he will even appear in this at this point...

[@HandofOmega]

@@lucaschapman6745 Oh, I absolutely never thought he'd actually show up and would be shocked if he did. It was just a nice shout out, is all...

[@TheEverythingParanormalShow]

OK CHECK IT OUT: I would like to make a few points here. I'm getting tired of the plot convenience of bluffing past security check points and being able to use any officer's code cylinder to get through certain doors. When I was in the military, years ago, I was very low in rank. Part of my job was to guard a secure room. No matter how high of a ranking officer approached me, they could not get in regardless of how many threats they made me unless they had the proper credentials. The Empire is not just ranked based, they have mentioned about proper areas and what not many times. So code cylinders would only work for the proper doors. Even my security badge now only works for certain doors in the hospital I go to every night. Also, the Empire runs on tight schedules. The crew of the Ghost used this against the Empire as did Han Solo when floating away with the rest of garbage. The Disney writers keep forgetting how efficient the Empire is. My other big concern is Leia. When Vader boarded Leia's ship in a New Hope, he was still concerned about optics towards the Senate by covering his tracks. He said Send a distress beacon and notify the Senate that all aboard were killed. Why would Vader be so laid back now knowing that baby Leia knows so much about their dealings. You would think he would stop at nothing to cover this stuff up seeing that she is a senators daughter and will run her mouth. I could go on and on...Hell maybe I need to make a video myself about these things...LOL. Love Thor Skywalker though!

[@hellothere1340]

Reva calls Ben as "Obi Wan" which Im pretty sure creates a plot hole.

[@MedalionDS9]

Why is that a plothole? She ONLY knows him as Obi-Wan... she never talked to him when he calls himself Ben

[@jaredlocke4300]

This episode was where they tripped. They're in a hole now and the next two episodes will have to be INSANELY good to climb out. But considering the episodes keep getting weaker and weaker, I doubt this will happen.

[@PR-zz6xl]

As this series has progress, I'm losing more and more interest in it. There's too many lore breaking moments that I can't overlook as well as some plot holes that don't make sense which has diminished my overall enjoyment. Concerning Storm trooper armor ; it's absolutely useless. I still remember in R1 where dirt kicked in a trooper's general direction was enough to knock him off balance. The empire would probably better served just to deploy them in their undies.

[@jelmo3682]

The Lego hot tub troopers would make quick work of any main character 😤

[@ariesroc]

Compared to Mando these Stormtroopers are vicious. Obviously they are a threat to be overcome as opposed to the Favreau series where they are total jokes in the shows themselves.

[@V1CT1MIZED]

Watching the empire fight is like watching Russia fighting in Ukraine

[@shadokat]

If we were to give George Lucas a little credit here, maybe we could say some things about storm trooper armor. 1. The Empire, though it has tons of money and resources, is a bureaucracy in which the people on the bottom of the totem pole receive the fewest benefits and considerations. Storm Troopers are expendable, and are given the cheapest, most useless equipment and armor that the empire is capable of making/getting. The biggest part of their training focuses on blind obedience instead of practical fighting skills. 2. Because of #1, storm troopers are easily killed, so the second purpose of their armor is to dehumanize them. We can't see their faces, and their voices all sound alike. So we don't care how many are just killed.

[@EvanBerry.]

I think Reva didn't intentionally let Obi-Wan go. I think, as you said, that it was a backup plan. I'm just really surprised that Darth Vader didn't kill her anyway, because he's the one that told her that only Kenobi matters, so she essentially disobeyed him. I would think that, far from being impressed by her (as his line "It seems I have overestimated you" suggests), he would be furious that she either failed (if she was lying about letting him go) or questioned his orders (if she was telling the truth about letting him go). Incidentally, I kind of wondered how Leia knew who Reva was talking about when she told her "Obi-Wan is dead." She only knew him as Ben up to that point, I thought.

[@gz4395]

My question is do i really need to pay to see this? what's going to be so adventurous, twisted or mysterious about this show that we have to put Obi-wan as the protagonist? who is one of the most important characters in the saga. Because so far everything that looks like a couple of video game quests, especially in this episode, hasn't given me anything. It could be said that obi-wan is using force better ... But honestly I don't find it as a development, considering that before the existence of this show it never seemed like a problem to me, more than making me sorry it annoys me because that's all. useless and boring to see. As if, having no idea how to develop the character but trying to give a sense of emotional growth to this show, the writers simply decided to start Obi-wan's character by removing all the development and features already acquired from the prequels and consistently present in the OT, characteristics such as his oratory skills, the ability with the sword, the use of mental tricks etc ... To then show that the usual obi-wan we all know at the end of the show will return, ok ... a bit boring and lazy, but it might be okay ... I think. But I don't understand how these simple quests stimulate him to come back to himself, because if you really have to show me this mechanic of returning to the character at least let me see some twisted challenges, exciting fights, strong enemies, unique locations and interesting characters ... for now it is completely boring, if they had used another character instead of Obi-Wan it would have been justified and perhaps more pleasant, but it is like giving a top quality cut of meat to a vegan chef to cook it. Sorry for my English.

[@maccurtis730]

Leia: "I break cannon and I am the plot of the show I am the best plot hole ever".

[@QuestionMan]

The REAL question I ask myself is how will this affect D+ subscriptions or purchase of collector's merch? Will fans who dislike the series (and an ever growing body of SW content) still unload tons of cash for SW properties? Then what is the motive for Lucasfilm to not alter the deal any further?

[@ryandodrill6904]

I get the feeling D+ subs are going to start suffering eventually. For myself the main reason I'm still subscribed is because I have a 3 year old daughter. Star Wars is just not holding my attention and if it was just for me I'd feel like the sub is a waste of money. I don't think subs are going to collapse or anything but there's got to be a lot of Star Wars fans who are just ceasing to care about the franchise.

[@lewskaanen812]

I love the parallels (foreshadowing) between Leiah and Rey (and Palpatine)... Hiding their presence in the force intuitively at a young age Strong aptitude for and resistance to mind reading The ability to turn mind reading back upon the user Her ability to spin any narrative to suit her agenda (Padme) "I'll have to tell my father first" ... "Im going to help Obi Wan, If you want to protect me you'll have to come with"