A Great Challenge | A-4 Skyhawk Vs F-14 Tomcat Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@Nicksanchez1122]

F22 vs j20 BVR

[@moochoman9948]

Growling Hairline

[@matthewtrapani9755]

@@moochoman9948 Receding Sidewinder.

[@giftsonnabayano1973]

@@moochoman9948 🤣

[@bradleymyers5030]

How about the F-14 vs F4 phantom?

[@chimchim2_]

Lol'd so freaking hard at the SPLAT Sound FX when the pilot hit the GROUND 🤣

[@pikuma]

That reminded me of an ood game called TFX.

[@FS2K4Pilot]

Yes, that needs to get into a compilation video at some point.

[@cdr861532]

Same man........freaking same!

[@narcissus79]

truly what you term "spudding in"

[@lamalien2276]

I like those little touches.

[@skyhorseprice6591]

There aren't really any of your videos I don't like, but I have to confess that the longer ones are my favorites. It's just more interesting to watch how tactics develop over a longer time.

[@reidmortensen2629]

Right, like he said at the beginning of round 4 “he’s learned his lessons”

[@945045able]

I think stoppage is just fine. I prefer for example shorter vids for better quality.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you guys for watching, extra long video in todays episode for everyone who says they wanted longer videos, hope you enjoyed and thank you to everyone for your on going support with the channel.

[@frightfulbuffalo7081]

Can you please try to do a video on IAF mig 29 vs PAF f16?

[@Nicksanchez1122]

F22 vs j20 BVR

[@ace_pilot_7040]

i got a question who would win the f-4 vs AV8B harrier

[@haterbehavior4583]

Another Vs real fighter pilot video ?

[@Nicksanchez1122]

@@ace_pilot_7040 probably the harrier since it can do harrier bullshit

[@badboy10350]

Remember, the A-4 was used at Top Gun by instructors, so it is a very versatile machine in the right hands.

[@adrianperalta2425]

The UK can recall it

[@Tadeas_Plachy]

Thou the Top Gun A-4 had stronger engine and was stripped of much weight, disabled slats and it had better than 1:1 TWR

[@tigerpjm]

@@Tadeas_Plachy I did not know that it had a more powerful engine! Must have been a nice thing once it had some decent thrust.

[@heeder777]

The Top Gun Aggressors also used tactics and flight models to mimic soviet fighters so in some instances they held back on the full capabilities of the A-4.

[@badboy10350]

@@heeder777 I know

[@kaesees]

My lesson from all of the videos where GS fights against an F-14 is that Tomcat drivers need to learn to stiff-arm opponents into two-circle fights by driving towards their six/flying their flight path, and recognize when the opponent in a two-circle fight is trying to offset the circles.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

That’s a very good summary ya if u was in the tomcat something like that is pretty much what I would always try to do.

[@DimSum9685]

I never learned the concept of one, two, offset circle, rate fights and energy states until I saw your vids. I already knew about the scissors, split s maneuvers etc. I have DCS and am just about ready to buy a flight stick and throttle to get flying. Can't wait to learn these once I figure out how to start them up and get them off the ground.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad to hear you found the video useful with that kind of stuff. best of luck in DCS always nice to hear more people joining us.

[@eliomarlacerda2364]

Great to see that is a Brazilian Navy A4 paint scheme. Some of them are been upgraded with new israeli radar and Phytoon 4 missiles i guess. Great video GS.

[@ErikMoroni]

Absolutely loving those Brazilian camos man, VF-1 Falcão. Love that insignia.

[@TheLusoferful]

Eai br

[@________crizz]

Bah!

[@YT-Ozymandias]

Let's get Brazilian Skyhawk vs everything. Very surprised it managed to hold up at all against the tomcat

[@yuuzyerbrejn9603]

I once heard a retired aggressor squadron commander say that, inside knife-fighting range, he could kill anything up to and including the Rafale with the A-4. He didn't say which version of the A-4.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

And he probably never flew against a Rafale 🤣

[@TheEfetzis]

And here we have a new challenge for Growling Sidewinder!

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

@@TheEfetzis There is no proper Rafale module for now in DCS.

[@av8rgrip]

A-4F Super Fox?

[@steveng6511]

The aggressor A-4’s were nothing like the operational ones. Much better suited for BFM.

[@mortenBP]

13:20 Awesome maneuver kill !!! You actually tricked him into a stall. Amazing!

[@Kiwigrunt]

Hopefully the RNZAF " Kahu' Skyhawk will come to DCS, basically a Skyhawk with F-16 avionics, HUD, radar and upgraded engine.

[@rodneypayne4827]

The sport model. Kahu are still being used by private contactor aggressor companies in the US, Discovery Air being one of them.

[@joshwagstaff13]

@@rodneypayne4827 Here I was under the impression that the ones that didn’t end up in museums were sold to Draken

[@rodneypayne4827]

@@joshwagstaff13 Both Draken and Discovery got some, it's hard to tell because they also use the Singapore and Argentine models as well and upgrade them to similar standard.

[@joshwagstaff13]

@@rodneypayne4827 Huh. As far as I was aware, Draken got the eight that didn’t end up in museums back in 2012, and still had them.

[@Boolag01]

Drakes got most of the ex-RAN A-4Gs that were converted to Kanu standard. All the original A-4Ks stayed in NZ.

[@beng7844]

I’d like to imagine this is just Top Gun and you’re absolutely demolishing the trainees

[@breadngames]

I like to imagine this is some sort of human-owl hybrid given the like 200 degree head rotation lol

[@beng7844]

@@breadngames fair 😂

[@KJ-kn8pg]

Funnily enough , i''ve read that the Skyhawk is a very good aggressor , even managed to get a Gun kill on a Australian Hornet. Top Aces have invested in them as well, very capable aircraft indeed.

[@Kiwigrunt]

Yeah KJ, it was a RNZAF ' Kahu ' Skyhawk, spec's as my post. Our Kahu's were basically budget F-16 's lol.

[@lordfarquaadgaming9316]

The roll rate is crazy

[@Boolag01]

“A gun kill” more like many gun kills.. RNZAF No.2 Sqn at Nowra used to beat the crap out of the RAN & RAAF on a regular basis in the 90’s.

[@isaacrothman6522]

@@Kiwigrunt tragic that labour killed the NZ air force.. all that expertise gone forever

[@LogieT2K]

@@isaacrothman6522 maybe not, theres been a pretty significant shift away from the peacekeeping hugs and cuddles policy over the last couple years. Its looking like theres a chance that the strike force maybe be re-instated sometime in the foreseeable future

[@josesierraromero8316]

Beautiful and sturdy the Skyhawk, one of my favourites planes ever,Argentinian Naval Air Force used them with great effect against british Task Forces at Malvinas. Great little plane.

[@jpierce2l33t]

I love how you can just hear the absolutely genuine joy and excitement in your voice when you took him in round 2...that's what it's all about man! Awesome to see that even after all those flight hours, you're still having fun and enjoying what you do!!!

[@frightfulbuffalo7081]

4:19 the sound.😂

[@derpymonke4008]

so true

[@aestheticwarbr447]

lmao

[@SoaringSparrow]

*GS totally outside of the ejection envelope heading towards his impending doom* GS: "This bitch gone... YEET" *not so smoothly kisses the ground*

[@edumodesto2007]

Nice. However Brazilian A4 have been modernized with a HUD, radar and other new combat devices. Nice video.

[@snakeshift9172]

Obligatory "He's in a flat spin, heading out to sea!"

[@ege5804]

İ remember the first time i stumbled upon your channel. İ was always a curious cat about 1v1 situations and your content got me hooked. Even the early mouse clicks on your TacView debriefs had a character. Now you are at an entirely different level, flying those birds like a total professional, interviewing with serious people in business and even defeating real fighter pilots. İn where i live, some pilots, full blown, real life fighter pilots say stuff like ''You also watch Mr Growling?''. You created one hell of a community and you should be proud man. Seriously, there are a very few amounts of channels that are as good as yours. Keep up the golden content and fly safe out there o7

[@Cruiser2000]

1:44 I once heard a Top Gun instructor say the A4 was smaller, faster and more manouverable than the F14, just like the enemy Migs 😎

[@johnhickman106]

I love A-4 content. I was lucky to have lived on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba as a kid in the mid-80s. We had one Navy squadron there; VC-10. They flew TA-4Js and it was the only US Navy unit to be capable of carrying AIM-9s (almost all USMC A-4s could carry Sidewinders ). I watched A-4s every day and was occasionally gifted with seeing other Naval fleet aircraft when a carrier would come into the area. My house was right underneath the turn point for bombing and strafing runs that were done on the Leeward side of the bay (most of us lived on the Winward side). Strafing runs by Tomcats sounded so much more sinister with the M61 compared to the Skyhawk's slower firing cannons.

[@noggginn]

I know the A4 was never designed to be a fighter but if it had a burner, it would be such a sick little plane.

[@Gunfreak19]

The A4 had only 1 Air to Air kill during the entire Vietnam War and it got the kill with a zumi rocket of all things, against an Mig17 I think.

[@debbiestimac5175]

More "Scooter" content, for sure. It really drives home the absolute need to master the fundamentals instead of relying on the jet to get victories. Well done as usual, the visuals at the end of Round 2 were magnificent! Love you victory rolls, they are like the end zone dances when Football was still great!

[@FS2K4Pilot]

The F-14 should’ve stayed in the vertical.

[@debbiestimac5175]

@@FS2K4Pilot Are you saying continuous vertical loops? The last thing you want to do is become predictable. It is why offset circles are so effective, when your opponent can do the math instantly in their head and know what energy state and where you will be in the next pass or two. The queen is a powerful piece in chess, but her alone cannot win a match.

[@FS2K4Pilot]

@@debbiestimac5175 Continuous loops? Don’t be silly, and don’t ever fight the way your opponent fights best. I was thinking strictly boom and zoom. If you’re facing an opponent that can turn with you, but you’ve got a big power advantage, if you opt for the level turning fight, you’re begging to get killed. The A-4 simply cannot climb with a Tomcat, at all, unless the Tomcat is absolutely stupidly slow. Even TOPGUN’s hotrodded Mongooses that GS alluded to couldn’t do it. But neither can he afford not to, or he’s giving up an enormous energy advantage. If he tries to come up after you, he’ll run out of juice first and be forced to pull down, leaving the Tomcat free to pull down after him and bag him. Of course such tactics do invite the look-up heater shot, but if you sun-mask during your climbs, pre-flare as necessary, don’t spend too much time climbing straight, and maneuver sufficiently to stay away from his nose, you’ll be ok. He only has two heaters, and then you’re home free. Another advantage to fighting such an aircraft in the vertical is that forcing the Scooter into the vertical will force him to maintain an airspeed considerably higher than his cornering velocity, which will limit his ability to turn quickly.

[@debbiestimac5175]

@@FS2K4Pilot Boom and zoom requires extending away and violates the close quarters combat simulation agreement between Growling and the other pilot/s. Viper : "Top Gun rules are for your safety and those of your fellow aviators, If you don't abide by them... you are history!" Unsafe drivers that flout the rules, get washed out and/or shunned on the boat.

[@bobbyosborne2375]

Holy shit, GS. You actually became a lawn dart on that first round

[@hoosierdaddy8002]

Loved the realistic SPLAT on ejection.

[@BWEEOOP]

4:19 Heh heh, GS goes *splat*

[@MrErictank]

That ejection into the ground in the first loss was... well, it was freaking hilarious! >thwap

[@darthrizi7340]

What I want to know is was the eject on purpose or was it an automatic because he had to know that wouldn't work

[@crawbag0311]

-Good morning, gentlemen, the temperature is 110 degrees. -HOLY SHIT ITS VIPER!

[@macrossMX]

That is a really good fight which ended with a draw. If you look at the video carefully, GS has been fighting an F-14B the entire time instead of the F-14A, which makes the fight even more impressive.

[@rudelchw]

Your's are almost the only DCS dogfight videos worth watching .. I can always count on learning good tips from you ... thanks so much 👍

[@JETZcorp]

I think I remember reading that the version of the A-4 they used in Top Gun school was so lightweight that it's power to weight ratio was better than the F-14A, afterburner be damned. Whereas the one we have in DCS is a late-model fleet ground attacker and much much heavier.

[@n.w.1803]

Bear in mind that the weight stripping also did away with the jet's cannons. And of course no comically-oversized Sidewinders. .. ..Isn't it hilarious how huge the missiles look on the A-4? Especially when you barely notice them hanging off of the F-14..:)

[@chrisl117]

Also most of the A-4s used in Top Gun were the updated A-4F which had the best version of the J52 engine.

[@debbiestimac5175]

I'd bet that a lot of Blue Angels era A-4 weight loss and airframe stiffening work too.

[@TexasGreed]

that maneuver kill was insane bro so awesome. You really understand each aircraft strengths and weaknesses and play around them well.

[@Orvulum]

Excellent! The big differences in performance between the aircraft and compensatory tactics made it really interesting!

[@sgt.grinch3299]

10 out of 10 for the face plant. Excellent clarity on the replay. Thanks for longer videos

[@johnhermann7498]

Brings back memories of the Flightline filled with A-4s and F-4s as the mighty F-14 taxied back to the hanger.... Once, when I was young, I had the opportunity to sit on my Father's lap as we taxied (well...Were towed really) past row upon row of Scooters and Phantoms. This dogfight brings back memories of sitting in on AARs as the pilots discussed their offshore sorties against Scooters and Phantoms... Great job as always, GS...

[@DiaconescuAlexandru2024]

The edited splash sound of the pilot hitting the golf course was hilarious lol

[@Me-nf8gk]

Two of my favorite aircraft, head to head. GS, your content for the past several months has been pure gold!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you very much been working hard nice to hear people have been enjoying.

[@georgiaoni6101]

I love this, much more chill in this than most other fights

[@lancet.346]

Sweet! I was just watching your "F-14A Tomcat Vs 4 Iraqi Mig-25 Foxbat" video. Always exciting to see the Tomcat.

[@jacksonegaming]

another fun trick the a-4 can pull off is fully dropping the flaps and sitting inside the circle during a rate fight, hard to line up a shot but easy to stay alive

[@ettorehenrique1913]

Awesome Brazilian Navy painting for the A-4!!

[@pinkbanana1276]

Ejected seat getting smashed on the ground was very comedic.

[@abdulmismail]

13:23 - G/S You killed Goose.

[@BoredLyron]

I really like the videos where you're flying the underdog. Makes them way more interesting when you never know what will happen. (And apparently you have a fair few followers here in Finland. I was talking with 2 other random nerds a little while ago and after talking about martial arts, and gaming in general, when the subject turned into flight sims, it became apparent that all 3 of us had watched your videos in the last week or so. :) )

[@turkishlandsknecht]

Great video as we always expect without the slightest trace of doubt!

[@CafeBianco]

That head first landing was straight out of Hot Shots🤣🤣🤣

[@soul191]

4:18 GS: Oh No. *dies and hits the ground* Me: Yes you're are in danger.

[@Wargasm644]

Lol. That inverted ejection sounded like raw steak hitting a windshield 🤣

[@maddog726]

Keep doing your thing Sidewinder. We're all here for a reason. Quality content that we can't get enough of 💪

[@mikes8948]

40 second Boyd!! Don't know if you're a reader, but I just finished the book, "Boyd," about the guy that discovered all of the E-M tactics you're so good at.

[@hitstick567]

Great book

[@nwbklr]

4:34 - “Walk it off buddy. 👍”

[@chartphred1]

I love the A4. Reminds me so much of my time in the RAN in the 80s. Spent a year at HMAS Albatross in NSW. Back before we sold the A4s to the Kiwi's (worst defence decision ever). Managed win a flight in a TA4 (was a 20c raffle on the base one evening, first prize was a dozen tinnies 😂, 2nd prize an A4 flight, 3rd a flight in a Macchi). Just the coolest day for a 19yr old ever. Never forget it.

[@AMylander]

Now let’s see it over Nellis with “Mighty Wings” playing in the background! “You and Goose get your butts out of that flight gear, and up to Viper’s office NOW.” 😆😁

[@jzcski]

Very cool!! I feel the “flat spin” Tomcat…it’s a real shock when your trusted steed stops flying suddenly!! Especially when you’re close to the ground….

[@Frank-uw8sl]

Classic TOPGUN engagement, very nicely played!

[@squid0013]

When the stabilators of the f14 are the same size as the a4 wing it can really move the nose around

[@bcardamone]

LOL ..... the replay of the eject directly into the ground was classic!

[@DanielCPhillips]

I loved the maneuver kill in round 3 - that was awesome! 🙂

[@MisteriosGloriosos922]

*Very well made!! Good job man!!*

[@seniorslaphead8336]

I particularly appreciated that ejection face plant... good work.

[@qp4565]

love the longer vids keep up the great work!

[@kevinrollins7710]

I loved this one. I found myself flexing my core and doing short breaths when you were in the high G stuff, which was most of the video.

[@PastorRob77]

Oh man, that first fight ended with a splat! That's what it sounded like when the pilot ejected right into the ground. Good fights.

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

This guy never ceases to amaze me with his skill to get a kill no matter the odds stacked against him well done as usual man

[@nwbklr]

4:19 - VERY satisfying SPLAT of the A4 biffing it into those nice peoples backyard.

[@7Dunkan7]

Great video as always! I do prefer the longer videos as well.He was always in a F-14B though, he never got compressor stalls I think he just got into a flat spin. I don’t think I saw one of the burners go out, they looked like they were both on when he hit the water.

[@tombstone4362]

the ground impact "BLAP" was Fn hilarious

[@vannlo355]

The SOUND of your body SPLATTING into the ground was too funny xD

[@docholliday1811]

Great video, awesome to see a dog fight between these two aircraft.

[@ironman6527]

Sees 18 minute video, props up feet. Greatly enjoy watching these.

[@octobre79]

thanks for featuring the A-4E-C again and the kind words, always nice to see her punching up!

[@TMHerron]

the lawn dart ejection was fantastic!

[@Matterian]

2 to 2. Nice GS Shenanigan's to get 2 wins man.I do love the longer content videos. thanks for that!

[@DJB-427]

That shot of face planting into the ground almost killed me lmao

[@whatsyours6424]

That sound at the end of the first round ejecting was brutal man . . .

[@aerotorc]

When I saw the Tomcat’s nose slice right in Round 3 I said to myself “uh-oh!”… and indeed he had lost it! Great fighting, I never feel confident taking on another aircraft in the A-4 unless I get the drop on them.

[@jessicamcdonald2813]

one word.... SPLAT!!!! stuck that landing! amazing 🤣🤣

[@joeflo2439]

First fight Ejection scene is awsome😂!

[@craig.a.glesner]

I don't think I've ever seen an ejection powered face plant before, but damn it was funny as hell. Rewind time!

[@midniteoyl8913]

Not only was the fighting good, but this **looked** very good as well.

[@CoryDAnimates]

The Tacview of this would look like a rhythm gymnastics routine with the ribbons.

[@SuperDiablo101]

Can we take a moment of silence to remember the A-4s sacrificed in this video to keep Tomcats awesome legacy alive

[@mjcandy9153]

The Scoring Judge with the Tomcat Logo for a profile pic scores that as a Maneuver Kill in the 3rd set.

[@danield.7359]

"That's a maneuver kill, no?" - best kill ever!

[@XimCines]

Merch with your bloopers such as the f-22 un formation or the Harrier missiles' explosion would be a great conversation starter

[@thefoolishhiker3103]

Man that ejection into the ground was brutal

[@sleepy_dobe]

That 3rd round where the F-14 went into a flat spin was so reminiscent of the scene from the original Top Gun movie. Jet starts spinning vertically and two eject just like Maverick and Goose. Except the RIO survived this one.

[@landwalker5660]

Like the A-4 videos, great job on the video

[@subparpenguin9587]

That ejection made me spit coffee all over...🤣🤣

[@danatubos2648]

at first match, ejecting directly into ground, this got me with this sound

[@kenhelmers2603]

Luv it! Blue water is so nice. I think you did good!

[@SirHenryMaximo]

Man, that manouver kill was beautiful!

[@adbell3364]

This never, ever, ever gets old!

[@System-Update]

I had a mate who was a USMC aggressor pilot on F5s. He said that the F18 dudes were always complaining that the instructors were "cheating" by getting vectored in etc. He said that stripping out the avionics and flying what was effectively a go-cart with wings made every instructor a far better aviator than when they had the full suite of systems to do the work for them. He once asked me if I knew what Chuck Yeager said about fighter pilots: "It's the man not the machine". He loved that I (a ground pounder) knew that.

[@barbaros99]

Having grown up with Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, I immediately heard that quote in early 90s Soundblaster.

[@System-Update]

@@barbaros99 that is where I learned it from! lol!

[@reidmortensen2629]

Thanks for this. I love the A-4.

[@anaesthesia3571]

'Unknown Bandit' you flying JF-17