A Kid Got The BEST 16 Star Speedrun EVER

Watch GreenSuigi's WR video here: • Super Mario 64 16 Star...
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[@notice6203]

I think cheese is being a little harsh to himself and other 120 runners. Sure they don’t perfect every star, but I think 120 is more about consistency and the ability to maintain composure under pressure when you’re an hour into a run. Just a different skill set 🤷🏼‍♂️ the amount of times cheese has clutched at a tournament is ridiculous

[@bonzokop1233]

not the last tournament 😢

[@RJA]

Consistency is the most important thing in speedrunning. If you can't consistently get to late game in 120 star you ain't gonna be prepared for the later levels.

[@alsims2007]

I agree. it's like comparing a marathon runner vs a short distance sprinter. completely different skillsets but both equally impressive

[@mrcolegreat3595]

I agree, but 120 runners definitely have some homework to do. Weegee just got a 1:38 in 120, the 16 star runners are coming

[@Ray25689]

Suigi just got a 47:1X in 70 and weegee was on comfy WR pace in 120 in his latest PB. I agree that consistency is needed aswell, but they both are incredibly good at it. As cheese said: they consistently get incredibly good times, far better than any of the other 120 runners. Look at the pace they're improving with, suigi just destroyed 16 in a year, he keeps on getting PBs all the time. Weegee got a WR in 70 with a huge mess up in BitS and got the potential to get WR in 16, 70 and 120 - no one else can say that about themself

[@moisesbarcenas7035]

I have to agree, for being 16, he plays as if he got this on launch. No words, just mad respect.

[@MisterJack2023]

And yet he's only been playing like 2 and a half years

[@Flatearth69]

On launch fam been lit respect

[@lard379]

hes age 16?

[@Jack-yq6ui]

He did get this on launch, the launch of his life

[@Suigi]

greensuigi!!!!

[@eboone]

agree

[@Sunflower_SM64]

Same

[@Binarylurx]

This is the kind of reaction content I really like. The commentary adds so much to the original video and to be fair, I probably wouldn't have seen the run at all without this reaction video. Love it

[@derpderpin1568]

People that are legitimately experts at pretty much anything giving nice explanations and commentary over pretty much anything is extremely compelling content and something a lot of different industries are gonna pick up on in the years to come in a more official capacity. I wouldn't be surprised if some companies start hiring people on to do this kind of content, sort of like IGN did with the gun expert who talks about real life counterpart guns in various video games.

[@ColeSterling]

120 star runners? LAZY??? no way!!! yall have like an hour and a half worth of gameplay MEMORIZED

[@JadenSmithEyes]

Suigi and Weegee are built different. Its as if I'm watching TAS everytime

[@madluccimusic6722]

TAS Still the best player though. I wonder who is that TAS dude

[@Fattyb00batty]

He wipes the sweat from his hands after every star

[@PopADoseYo]

Siglemic use to do that too.

[@yelir64]

“That’s basically what 16 star is; it’s 15 stars” - Cheese

[@lucianoventurieri7628]

The toad doesnt really count as a star..

[@KornersquaredMike]

I imagine with someone so determined to lower the record, those 3 notable mistakes will keep him grinding to possibly get 14:3x. Definitely could happen if he matches more of those early game gold times

[@Ray25689]

Agreed. This run was a 12:39 FS exit, weegee even got a 12:35 once. And BitS wasn't perfect either, so there's potential to get a 3X, it's just insanely hard. I wonder who'll break the propably last 10-second barrier in this category

[@CarlosHernandez-el4oc]

He was on 3x pace that week but ended up bonking on the ledge while trying BitS ultimate

[@timlong4791]

15:44 I think he's spinning whichever direction gets the speed necessary to make the throw soonest.

[@Shrando]

I think he did the same for bow 2, to make sure it has enough speed.

[@scottphillips227]

for being semi-up-to-date on sm64 this video gave me a great insight into how insane this run is even with the mistakes, great work cheese :D

[@DavidJohnson-zu4or]

Hearing the news about him getting WR was amazing. I don't know him too well but it feels awesome to know a speedrunner

[@aliasanonym9778]

Also that double BLJ combo at the end makes me need a shower. Jesus christ, disgustingly good.

[@Starshine777]

Yeah I have to change my pants after that

[@gomjabbar6246]

the BLJs looked like a 1/0 star run

[@unfinishedsenten]

Don't really know why I haven't subbed to you earlier. Sorry about that. Great content! Love how you give praise where praise is due. Even though there are records, I don't feel like speedrunning is a competition. It's more a cooperation, players as a whole vs the levels. A tag-team. Using each others programs, video analyzes, shared methods, experiences, immense amounts of skill and precision, and a fair bit of luck to bring each level as low as possible, until finally, the day he cometh before thou, the one the tales and legends spoke of. The one who will combine it all, and finally, after all these years, bring Mario down to his knees and mouth wrapped around his dick. The Gamer!

[@Leeroy49]

Watching Mario64 speedruns is so diverse. Amazing Focus in the short categories and extreme endurance in the 120 satar. Best game for speedrunning.

[@chanceneck8072]

I´ve heard a runner named "Shake" has potential. Also GreenSuigi should add a heartrate monitor to make things seem more legit. I feel like his heartrate would skyrocket like Darbian´s back in the day. Whereas when I imagine guys like Slipperynip having a heartrate monitor, it would literally make no difference the entire run... lol

[@derryvickery6896]

Shake is the single star goat

[@chanceneck8072]

@@derryvickery6896 Yeah, time to add those up. I don't see where the problem is..

[@zach.]

@@chanceneck8072 shake isnt interested in full game runs

[@Ray25689]

@@derryvickery6896 I really don't like how much this word is used. Cheese is the goat of 120, because he dominated the category for longer than anyone else. Suigi and weegee are propably better players overall, but being a goat is more than being insanely good at one time. Shake isn't even dominating single star records, the second place isn't even far behind

[@geek_007]

@@Ray25689 shake is dominating singlestar. youre right, 2nd place isnt too far away, but you have to consider for how long both of them have been around. Giboss has been around for years, getting wrs here and there, but shake has only been around for 2 years (i think) and already got 27 wrs, including carpetless, which he pulled off multiple times without savestates, plus all minigame wrs

[@gjermundnorumbugge7373]

Your commentary over this video was so enjoyable! :)

[@majoryoshi]

When a legit run gets called a spliced one you know it's hella good Edit: Meant legit runs, not just any old run.

[@nambona890]

seeing that perfect LBLJ has me in complete awe

[@flare_snaggleblast2387]

He spins both ways to save time based on which direction is needed to spin Bowser the least amount of distance to hit him into the mine

[@nos9510]

hey Cheese ! some days ago i got bored and looked for speedruns on youtube, i saw your world record and watching this gave me the nostalgia of my favorite childhood game ♡ so i got my rom ready and started playing again. i forgot how SLOPPY mario was :') and now i can truely appreciate the pure amount of skill you guys have ! pure legends, keep it up all of you speedrunners !

[@RustyCoinpurse]

What's going on just started watching your videos heard about you before but just recently started watching your videos and dude you are quite impressive at SM64, kudos to you my friend great videos by the way keep up the good work I plan on joining as a member soon things are a little tight right now but still love the videos Man awesome job

[@aliasanonym9778]

Isn't there something like a world wide human sum of best? Should be interesting for a 120 star run

[@Forceghost1]

that must inspire you so much when a record is beaten

[@pacebozeman]

So a new summing salt should be on the way now. Awesome

[@elzilcho222]

Only fair a 16 year old has the 16 star record

[@NinjaLobsterStudios]

Babies slacking off on the 0 and 1 star categories smh

[@AndrewFalberg]

Congrats again GreenSuigi

[@kaevom]

oh boy do i have some news for you

[@mathprodigy]

No way he cheated, the lighting on his face from the TV matches everything, despite the Webcam turning off for bits. Splices are normally found by microanalyzing the waveform of the sound from the video anyway.

[@i.q.668]

@@Lansolot Bro you clearly dont watch 16 Star regularly. Nobody has better BLJs than Suigi. People in twitch Chat used to pray for suigi Blj in good runs because his bljs are super nuts. And cheating doesnt work by turning off the cam. You dont want to be bothered by looking goofy in the camera while performing a super difficult frame perfect strat on a WR pace so you turn off the cam to perform better.

[@i.q.668]

@@Lansolot youre trolling

[@i.q.668]

„It has literally only ever happened on the TAS“ youre clearly trolling. It wasnt even a gold split. You know that what ive said was meant in general about turning off the cam while performing. He even said that its weird for him to jump on his bed reaching for the ac with the cam turned on which is totally reasonable. In the end you dont know a thing about speedrunning cause you would know that moderators dont care about the Camera but only for the recorded gameplay. I‘d guess that half of the submitted runs dont even include a Camera recording them. This is SM64 and not Guitar Hero. „Do you watch Karl Jobst?“ 🤡

[@geek_007]

@@Lansolot look at akkis 14:59, the first sub 15. Is he cheating too, cuz he got perfect bljs?

[@geek_007]

@@Lansolot they were perfect tho, so isnt that suspicious?

[@curtisholsinger6023]

What Cheese is suggesting is "what if we just became the best at every level ever, we are lazy if we don't." That's... commendable, but bananas at the same time

[@anacreon212]

that is crazy amount of work since 16 star is just 16 stars that have been highly optimized over the course of several years. 120 is the optimization of not only those 16 stars but also the other 104 stars. So its a much more daunting task to optimize those other stars and have the endurance to do it since its such a long speed run.

[@Kitty_Kankles]

Yeah, like I love cheese’s vision but the practicality of spending that much time just isn’t there imo Somewhere down the road I can eventually see it, u would need to be a super talented runner and sink hours upon hours upon hours upon hours upon hours upon hours into each star

[@16maze]

These younger gamers are wild these days man. I get owned by these 16 yr olds in multiplayer games 🤣🤣

[@grandmastermario3695]

and he runs a bunch of other games to, more than most other top mario 64 players.

[@bingley_music]

7:42 yes it's Bin(guh)lee. Love ya Cheese.

[@TheEngieTF2]

You know you're also a legend when even Cheese himself praised you of your accomplishment

[@TheVirginMeri]

wym "even Cheese" he always gives people props

[@RushandSNLfan]

You know you're a legend when you break the world record, wdym? LOL 🤣🤣

[@chanceneck8072]

14:40 favorite part of the video. 🤭😅😂🤣

[@maxrichards5925]

I think if you and Green suigi when against each other in any race I wouldn't be able to guess which one would win. Ps: As a self-appointed Sonic 2 speedrunner myself, I’ve realized that in a game like this that if you reach the point where the only way for you to improve is to learn less consistent movement, then that in it of itself is a great amount of talent. So for that reason I respect him immensely.

[@MisterStubstep]

Superb gameplay haha

[@mystery_1155]

heheh i also spin bowser both ways... and with both hands! when i spin clockwise, i use my right index finger/middle finger on the control stick and put my left thumb on the b button. I do not rotate the camera. the first throw i spin counter clockwise and hold the controller normally

[@Reckeen_Metal]

Much better than simply reaction

[@BlueRiging]

"React harder"

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

the first thing this kid did when he was born was Lakitu skip

[@MonkStarling]

Idk about the lblj but it seems he hits the front of the first step for the rest of the bljs which make him mad fast

[@samuelortiz7426]

GreenSuigi será el que acabe con 16star, muchas felicidades

[@bradwurst8141]

Marathon versus a sprint. 16 star versus 120 star is a big reason to me why SM64 is the best speedgame of all time

[@NinjaLifestyle]

Good run!!!

[@hunterbaker91]

For those last throws, isn't he picking which bomb to throw bowser into with the camera and spinning away from it so he doesn't have to do as many revolutions.

[@Chimpmanboom]

12:13 and to add to that…he already had the wr when he had this run…

[@catmacopter8545]

I would love controller cam or input monitor a la simpleflips

[@emberleblanc8708]

I wouldn't say 120 star runners are lazy at all, you've got a muuuch longer gauntlet to go through, so naturally it's just not feasable to do all the insane strats in 120 star runs. But it does make me wonder what a modern day 120 star tas would look like

[@mrsir5866]

Mr. Cheese, question... for the bowzer sub star, can he just take the bunny star and do the blj trick on the stairs to get to bowzer? Haven't played in a while...

[@robfortune6]

In theory yes, but sblj (and consequently ddd skip) isn't allowed in 16 star so it wouldn't count as a 16 star run

[@mrsir5866]

@@robfortune6 makes sense. Thank you for the explanation!

[@eggbread3655]

jesus this is clean

[@violetasuklevska9074]

6:03 pace pals take notes

[@Hyperiss]

The🐐 recognizing another🐐

[@scshupe7411]

Those BLJs were sooo nutty...

[@alainbahtijarevic8816]

suigi and cheese KINGS

[@quarter_s]

suigi used to not use webcam at all, so I don't see why it turning on/off mid-run would be relevant

[@diangooganid581]

Luv u cheese

[@donniem7979]

damn imagine putting this much dedication into controlling emotions and understanding how facts, logic, and science work

[@zeke5683]

I believe he turns the camera off so he can turn his AC on/off and he normally only wears a shirt and boxers

[@felipe270597]

Not considering the long time of training and the skill it would be necessary and considering the incrise in difficulty for maintaining the same high level plays for that long , I think we can search for a 16 stars run that has the most alike gameplay as the 120 stars wr, then we could subtract the time between de to times in the pair of 16 stars runs and then apply thar ratio to dsecrease the time for 120 actual wr. The same could be done for 1 star and 0 stars runs. Just a theory. Sorry for the bad english,

[@Ben-ek6pj]

Think the keyword for 120 runners is consistency because you have so many more opportunities to mess up

[@MrJoManFu]

Can anyone explain to me why timing starts when the game boots up? Is there a reason? I would think that the timing would start when the player had control of Mario. Thanks

[@geek_007]

No real reason, thats just how they always have done it

[@fatboyjr364]

They did that from the start and no real reason to change it after this many years I guess

[@Dadbod007]

It’s a shame the Mario crawl can’t be incorporated into speedrunzz

[@alexanderfee2910]

Its so funny to hear that people think this run could be spliced because he turned his webcam off. He’s literally 17, he probably just didn’t want his chat to hear his mom asking what he wanted for dinner

[@aequilibrium4028]

New competition leads to new records :D

[@CrimsonDevil_Rias]

Huge update: Suigi pushed the 16 Star Record to its absolute limit and has obtained a 14:35.5. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJiwd3ibedSLa5Y

[@jozbornn]

I knew this was going to be good when he didn't turn the camera for the red coin in dark world.

[@Nebula1146]

This speedrun is the definition of blink and you’ll miss it

[@nickschamin4380]

do u guys think a 14:3x will happen?considering the few mistakes suigi did i would say it is possible and it would be the last barrier ever broken in 16 star

[@DW_7]

I also think 14:2X is exclusively TAS-territory, best time I could find on KZbin is 14:19.. Seeing that a human is soo close to this time is just legendary skills.

[@kingsfan4evr24]

I mean last year just getting 14:5X was seen as impossible so who knows

[@epicgamer5122]

easily

[@i.q.668]

A week before this run suigi had a 14:3x run into bits so the only person capable of getting a 3x right now is suigi. He will get the 70 star wr and get a 3x after that.

[@koishi5935]

There's no way 3x doesn't happen.

[@jaade9485]

ok if hes 16 he couldve practised each star for like a year i guess

[@KingBoo97]

He's just very talented. He started running SM64 like a year or 2 ago I believe. Also, he's already top 5 in 70 star as well.

[@TREK5900cheats]

i wonder how the people picking up 120 star feel seeing that cheese calls himself trash lol

[@twiistedduck0218]

Goat

[@Kurachi84]

Cheese reacting to a guy who cheesed his run even more, haha... sry for bad pun. Suigi has done some crazy stuff, i see, those movements are just... wow!

[@c0oked638]

absolutely amazing commentary by cheese

[@chanceneck8072]

I love Chazz!

[@jairyt6516]

no te entiendo nada pero me gusta ver tus videos ❤️

[@Rosten93]

I would just like to say, i follow a lot of channels without actually subcribing to them. But i rly enjoyed your reaction to this run. Its the first movie of yours i wathc and it was No bullshit, but decent commenting without a lot of bullshit overreacting comments. So here take my sub. Looking forward to your future movies.

[@GarcDi3]

Camera off during BLJs?

[@Kezedrix]

I'm absolutely not saying Suigi is splicing (cuz I don't think he did) but all the arguments you used: already holding the record, having the verified skills required to do it without cheating, knowing that he would be caught if he did... all those, despite being very reasonable, were used in the past to defend players who ended up being cheaters (yeah I watched a few Karl Jobst videos). Explains why people are so suspicious, a few of those and you get trust issues. Well that and the need for drama ofc

[@Suigi]

I think its fair to say that the fact that i literally cried at the end is proof enough lmfao

[@Kezedrix]

@@Suigi Ofc, I'm only being a bit rethorical about the arguments Cheese used here, I'm not actually doubting the run. Wp btw, that's some quality gameplay you gave us there

[@chrisbeach423]

@@Suigi crying doesnt mean its real 🤣 i do think its a legit run lol. anyone can easily catch a spliced run. so i dont see where the controversy is coming from

[@chrisbeach423]

@@Suigi your amazing btw 👏 go take the 120 star record

[@luma6733]

yeah, remember that schmooey situation on clone hero? suigi definitely is legit, i do not question that, but we've already seen in the past that those arguments have fallen flat on some cases

[@GamerOverThere]

Gah damn!

[@christelm1655]

I think it would be cool if they made a 120 TAS that was actually realistic for a human to complete.

[@quarter_s]

cheese has a video comparing his old wr to the human theory tas kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3Sbfpl8gKeUnK8

[@Ascension721]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3Sbfpl8gKeUnK8 theres a human theory TAS already. The original is no longer public though so this comparison to an old Cheese record will suffice.

[@christelm1655]

Oh thank you for the link!!! I did not know there was a video!!

[@fatboyjr364]

Some one in the video said that someone else said this is a cheated run? I know nothing of this game I just watch Cheese every now and then but can someone link me to the reddit post of them talking about it I know the mods said yep good run its the WR I just want to know where the other guy is coming from

[@Ray25689]

I can't agree more on the take with weegee and suigi being the two best players movement wise. This run was a 12:39 fire sea exit and weegee even had a 12:35 once, insane. A run I love to re-watch, because its absolutely perfect till the fckn bljs. Both of them have the potential at the moment to get a WR in two out of three of the biggest categories, suigi in 16 and 70, weegee in 70 and 120 (his latest PB was very comfortable WR pace till rainbow ride), weegee is even good enough for 3/3, but that's practically impossible. Really liked the reaction, u didn't just comment what u saw, u said a lot on the difference of 120 runners compared to 16, was very nice to hear that from the goat himself

[@Ray25689]

And yesterday suigi got a 14:41.3 and a 12:33.8 FS exit in a later run. Hes cracked. He had best possible time of 14:32.6 out of HMC there. That's absolutely crazy, hes taking the category to a whole different level.

[@Ray25689]

And now he got a 14:35

[@nacricissa]

I kinda want to see a collaborated 120 star run where the controller gets handed off to a 16 star runner for the stars that are in 16 star.

[@16star]

link suigi in the description bro

[@nomercy43]

But has it ever made you wonder what is possible for 120 stars? If you practiced each one like they did.

[@bryanmulcare9083]

Found another splice run that was left on KZbin from Speed Demos Archive but I think one of the moderators found FuniaSM64 cheated, this was 10 years ago but just an interesting to know what's left on KZbin by cheaters. :) by the way I would say Greensuigi is more coincident with his movement I swear.

[@Hedlund83]

Can you react to Bubzia's blindfolded wr run. Awsome new strats. Hes insane 🙈😱😊

[@JosephSmock-pt4lj]

That whole less-than thing you do is uncalled for. What's worse is you literally sell it well and you're not being humble; you actually believe it. I think I finally get why a straight male(reportedly) like me is magnetized to you. You're good at stuff, if not the best at stuff, but you so effectively put yourself down just like I do! With odd ryhms and powerful reasoning.

[@JosephSmock-pt4lj]

120 star is not fucking different! You came across and amplified a detail nobody cares about! You are not lazy with practice wtf

[@TheGaming100]

Hey! I was in the intro

[@bryanmulcare9083]

Another thing I just found out that Marlene is the third person with a sub 38 min.😱

[@mrpayne123]

He turns off his cam bc he doesn’t like people to see him walking around? That makes no sense. It is suspicious that he turns the cam off at 9:25 & at 14:08 right before 2 super difficult tricks. Tons of super skilled speed runners have been caught cheating Cheese so that’s not a logical defense. I’m not gonna claim he’s cheating, but it is suspicious.

[@mrpayne123]

@@LansolotCheese’s reaction to hearing the possibility of cheating was flippant & dumb. It’s one thing to say “I don’t think he cheated…” but to just dismiss it flippantly saying “who cares what Reddit says” & “he’s really good, why would he cheat?” was horrible reasoning.

[@i.q.668]

@@mrpayne123 Look there is a whole moderation team that is checking these runs for even the smallest suspicious thing. This run is completely legit and if you would watch Suigis streams then you‘d know that he does that very often. He also had a few 3x runs into BitS so it was just a matter of time that he gets a low 4x. He literally got a 14:50 in a Live Event in front of cheese and other top tier runners. That 14:50 was even faster than slips 14:50 which means that if you would‘nt count his other runs hes still the WR holder. And btw you dont even need a cam for a run to be legit. Its actually quite common for top Tier speedrunners to turn off the cam while performing difficult tricks on a good pace to take away the pressure to some extent. (Sorry for my bad english, its not my mother tongue)

[@bearevxd]

having a webcam is not a requirement to validate a run... only the vod is analyzed....

[@nockynock4840]

Love you babe

[@Skibblez]

"we really are lazy compared these runners" you mean you, simply and every other 120 star runner except for liam...

[@johnnycaralta]

Free the rainbow.

[@glitchybrawl7012]

to get 120 star wr you have to have 120 years old

[@TheRealBDouble]

I think it's weird that every time someone gets a WR, there's always some rando who says "THEY CHEATED". I'm *not* a speedrunner, but I've watched enough videos that I think I could notice anything glaringly obvious. But yea, there's zero reason for him to have cheated.

[@YoDaPro]

5:02 it literally looks as he is jumping in mid-air. Is that just due to the lack of visible frames?

[@Kitty_Kankles]

Do you mean his jump after the dive onto the spinning platform? If so, he clearly makes that jump once making contact with the green platform; it’s just not very easy to see due to the camera placement

[@YoDaPro]

@@Kitty_Kankles Thank you for clarification.

[@briangak8815]

12:00 imagine cheating a world record run when you already hold the world record. What would even be the point lol

[@cheesemanzombie9151]

cool

[@Moonknife]

Suspicious kid thats for sure... i really hope he is legit.

[@chanceneck8072]

I see another 120 star world record coming this year by Simply! Mark my words!

[@dsrecs]

Simply hardly does runs anymore. He’s a streamer now.

[@jtaiv2798]

@@dsrecs All he streams is Mario though

[@chanceneck8072]

@@jtaiv2798 Yeah!

[@chanceneck8072]

@@jtaiv2798 People just HAVE to disagree. ALL the fucking time.

[@chanceneck8072]

You could also just have said the exact same thing about Liam back in the day and he broke the world record TWICE! Just let me believe, ok! Let me support witth passion and shut your face!

[@dougr8646]

"Only they can understand" ya like we don't have actual accomplishments to look back on as opposed to beating a fucking 20 year old video game fast for e points