A Lost Sodium Battery Technology Gets Recharged! with LiNa Energy | The Fully Charged Podcast

[@GrahamRead101]

Now this is why KZbin is so good. What a great interview, you’d never get this on mainstream tv

[@paulaspinall919]

Fascinating. This was so interesting. I had no idea how long the podcast was until near the end. My sort of content. Thank you.

[@theunknownunknowns5168]

If Arvind isn't doing voice acting or documentary voice overs he's missing out on a lucrative side hustle. That voice is like rich thick drinking chocolate for your ears!

[@theunknownunknowns5168]

Batteries are cool too.

[@BabyGonzo5]

Agree I want him to read bed time stories to me.

[@jonevansauthor]

I get the idea, but it does require actual acting talent and practice, not just the raw voice. That's why we hire professionals.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@theunknownunknowns5168 not these ones! You know, because 250 C is pretty hot. Oh, how I laughed at my hilarious jape. :D

[@Pottery4Life]

Imogen delivers such a clear and fluid podcast. Thank you very much FC. Great information!!

[@jockmoron]

Oh, yes, the Zebra battery. Worth reading up about it in Wiki. That was a form of molten salt battery, and operates at a high temperature of 250 deg C. So do the NiNa batteries which is explored briefly in the latter part of the programme. The NaCl only works in a fluid stage, which requires this temperature. The vacuum insulation was use in Zebra batteries. To say that the Zebra battery is "forgotten" is somewhat to overstate the case, as they're still manufactured, I think in Switzerland. So there's some important technical detail of these batteries missing here. They are concentrating on the correct niche for this technology though. It's very unlikely we'll see them in transport - the old Zebra batteries were tried in a few early BEVs. You can't find actual information on power density or volume. but the Zebra battery achieved about 100-120 Wh per kg. Presumably LiNa will do a bit better? But we don't know. The quoted price per kWh is $50, so that's a good figure. Another similar energy storage battery is the sodium-sulphur battery. Again worth reading up about all these technologies on the internet as some of this presentation is overstating the case, in my estimation. However, I wish them well, and we need all these different ideas and technologies.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

'Bon chance' to LiNA from a Brit living in France. As Imogen points out, the UK does great R&D but never seems to put the manufacturing in place there. Oxford PV are leading the world in Perovskite based solar cells but are building a factory in Germany, not the UK. We can only hope that LiNA's success will lead to more jobs and wealth creating in the UK.

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

Actually China is leading the world, LONGi have achieved 33.9 efficiency,

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@-PORK-CHOP- Depends how you define 'leading'. Oxford PV are closest to putting them onto the market based on reports I've read.

[@raphaelg.7574]

If your main market is the EU, it probably makes sense to produce in the EU compared to the UK.

[@petersilva037]

That would be "Bonne chance" ... Luck is a Lady.... as an Anglo who is always spotted for this kind of "mis-gendering" ... you have my deepest sympathy ;-)

[@gingernutpreacher]

​@@raphaelg.7574its more to do with current expertise and infrastructure it's like making cars in Scotland a stupid idea with lazy work force

[@freeheeler09]

Guys, we need affordable, residential and small businesses scale batteries!!!!!!!! I just priced storage batteries for my home, over $1,100 a kWh installed.That needs to drop by 80% to be affordable for most people! Be actual disruptors, please! Make a battery that regular people can actually afford!

[@davebaker8362]

Great video

[@alanhat5252]

did you look at 2nd-hand lead-acid traction batteries?

[@alanhat5252]

lorry batteries £100/KWh is fairly easy to find, £50 if you strike lucky.

[@rogerphelps9939]

You are being ripped off. The cost of lithium ion is now down to less than $100 per kwh. I suggest you shop around.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Not lead acid though. They won't last very lng with deep cycling.@@alanhat5252

[@scottburton414]

Best of luck to LiNa! I'm hopeful that one day I'll have one of their batteries backing up my home.

[@jamesphillips2285]

Was not expecting the "Lost battery chemistry" to have been invented in my life-time (80s). Am I getting old?

[@dailyrider2975]

Yes! Welcome to the club. Grab a glass of grapefruit, rocking chairs are available.

[@mrtod13]

Fantastic conversation. And it opened my eyes to LiNa who I'd never heard of,which is weird as I live in Lancaster 👍

[@patrickpointer8380]

This was one of the best interviews i have seen in a very long time. Well done Imogen.

[@robertimrie3710]

Excellent content, well done. It was nice to have a few insights into the culture and people as icing on the cake....or is that a biscuit.

[@mikemellor759]

Great episode led by Imogen. 🤞for LiNA to develop their pilot into full scale production.

[@philskermer3132]

Great episode, great content , great interviewer with highly motivated and knowledgeable guests. Wish Robert would prep for his interviews with as much skill as you Imogen, bless him lol. Good luck LiNa Energy, would love to invest in a start up like you.

[@philbrooke-little7082]

You compare the 80's cell with the modern one but the comparison is meaningless as you give no figures of Watt hrs of the respective cells. A bit like here's a victorian cake and here is a modern crumb....it's meaningless! That turned it for me into an informercial but without the info.

[@markfudger5267]

What is the target/projected cost of the Lina storage battery in $/Kwh? Ambri has a grid storage battery cost of $180 to $250/Kwh, and the batteries operate at 500°C.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

sounds expensive. is that the cell cost or already installed system price?

[@markfudger5267]

@stefanweilhartner4415 I assume that would be the system cost. If you compare it to a 13.5kwh tesla powerwall that costs about $11,500 installed. That works out at $852/kwh. But Ambri's system is grid scale and comes in the form of a shipping container sized unit. What a grid size, Tesla unit costs, I have no idea.

[@mikemorton954]

Please let the secret ingredient by vinegar.

[@MarkAtkin]

Can I chip in with a comment? That’s a bit fishy.

[@francisphillips8192]

these channels piss me off they never talk about how much it is to charge on the public network

[@MikeMurphy-t6j]

Salt of the earth, literally driving this venture, can't wait to replace my lithium batteries in the near future, great interview 👍 Mikey

[@t1n4444]

Indeed let's add another element to the conversation ... hydrogen. Judging by the number of car makers developing hydrogen fueled vehicles batteries are already on the way to their place in history. We don't hear that much in the way of these giga factories bruited about in the popular press either. Perhaps a modicum of economic sanity has arrived at Westminster and the senior ranks of industry? For them as trouble to keep up with hydrogen technology then hydrogen is fast becoming the poster element of governments worldwide. I would repeat that the very recent events of three London battery buses bursting into flames inside two weeks will be giving pause for thought among manufacturers, until a cause is found.

[@rp9674]

Ah...salt in battery

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Would have loved to hear more about battery sizing, capacity, duration etc especially for home use

[@thekaxmax]

that's getting into sales details, too much for a talk like this. Check their website while watching.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

They showed you what appears to be a ±1m³ unit(?) . They stressed the preferred application as commercial scale long term storage. . Maybe a district sized solution of 1 container per "x" homes would be sensible. . Rooftop solar on the homes. . Sending excess energy directly to the "local battery" (solves the "PV land area" issue?) . Those homes receiving the stored energy back when "the sun don't shine". . Unused capacity sold to the grid. ..... No battery infrastructure required in individual homes, but those homes receive similar benefit to an individual battery without the cost......?

[@kadmow]

Large players are desperate to maintain "grid stability" and revenue streams. We the people will tend to remain net consumers. Some distributed storage can reduce need to upgrade grids and local ringmains, but the market wishes to keep control of grid level firming.

[@urbanstrencan]

What an awesome episode, love the topic on new battery formats and chemistries. Everything Electric team keep up with great work and greetings from sLOVEnia 😊❤ hope to see you this year at live show London

[@richardblakey3345]

Really exciting that innovations are focussing on areas that need it most rather than just wanting it all for the rich northern hemisphere countries. Looking forward to news on the Indian pilot. I will follow LiNa energy to see how things progress. After all the unicorn fairy tales about solid state on social media, it is great to see an application that might actually work. Well done!

Props for the production values, excellent sound.

[@narvuntien]

This is why I am not worried about when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine. Also the UK is fast becoming the Sodium ion innovation country isn't it at least when it comes to stationary storage.

[@rogerphelps9939]

We are going to use massive amounts of storage. My heat pump can consume 50kwh on a very cold day in winter when there may be no wind and never much sunshine. Multiply that by 20 million or so properties and we get to as much as 1 terawatt hour per day just for heating. That might have to be supplied for many days on end so the storage requirements are truly colossal.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@rogerphelps9939so we need to get on with all the tidal energy projects that have been queued up for years waiting for Gov't approval

[@motorcyclemadness6006]

@@rogerphelps9939what energy would you previously have used?

[@johnmcnulty6171]

​@@rogerphelps9939Given heat pumps deliver heat that's multiples of the energy consumed, your house must take 100-200 kWh to stay warm. You seriously need to invest in insulation, or are you living in a tent?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@rogerphelps9939 . So I assume you have an air sourced heat pump? . Surely if you're in an area where the pump *consumes* "up to 50kWh on a very cold day", a ground sourced pump may have been better due to the consistent temperature? . Otherwise it seems your logic is "off"? . ("20 million properties" indicates "homes in the UK?)

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Gosh... I'm just trying to think of the last time I invested nearly an hour of my time in a single 'podcast' (video)...? WOW... just WOW...! What an amazing company, clearly run by amazingly characterful individuals. I genuinely hope that LiNa Energy are hugely successful and become internationally and, equally importantly, 'locally' recognised for the incredible work they are doing. Great interview, Imogen 💖

[@darrylfenn5167]

Wonderful news from South Africa during a rolling blackout 😀😎

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Probably an ideal location for such a system?

[@Sq7Arno]

Exciting tech! And I must say: Imogen is really skilled at conducting a pleasant and engaging interview in this format. Top notch!

[@akwamarsunzal]

Fabulous podcast! Imogen does an amazing job asking the right questions and driving this podcast forward at a good pace! Super excited about the tech and seeing these batteries hitting the retail market! Sadly, I fear it will be years before, potentially a decade, before we see a 12v battery that I can use as a solar storage device for my off grid office, my motorhome leisure battery. Already seeing sodium batteries available in China though it would take a brave person to be an early adopter.

[@Youtubedotcomma]

I wonder if they will sell a Maldon sea salt battery for a premium price? LOL

[@GaryV-p3h]

What we need is to find a way of making them cheaply from sea water that could be a byproduct of desalination for drinking & agricultural water production, especially good for regions that don't currently have fresh water supplies. The enery stored in the batteries could even be used to power the desalination plants making it a circular process. An endless supply of cheap, clean energy that can be used to make every home, factory, business & vehicle energy self sufficient.

[@robinhood4640]

That would be an excellent idea, which is probably why it's not gonna happen. Don't forget that, if by chance, the installation happens to be near the coastline, the moving mass of the water could fill the batteries. This is just a fantasy, it's much more likely that each individual aspect will be done by indépendant companies, who don't care about the globale aspect of what they are doing.

[@davidbaslington7941]

I get the whole approach for solar storage, but for the UK with a high wind renewable component, why not this sector? I find it frustrating to see turbines standing still due to the balancing of fossil fuel power station output. What a waste. Or am I missing the point?

[@lucianbakerii4047]

Excellent discussion. I was interested in the internal discharge rate, internal impedance, and maximum discharge rate. I didn't find that information on the LiNa Energy website.

[@broadsword6650]

Very interesting topic but this video could be half the length and lose nothing.

[@norwegianzound]

Is Britain a global leader in the battery ecosystem? News to me.

[@markcayer4859]

Great PodCast and as Dave Borlace would say it gives you a chance to "Just Have a Think". Using the LINa type of batteries for large scale storage solutions has the side benefit of releasing the components they don't need to use, like the stuff in Lithium based batteries, so other industries who need the benefits and capabilities of that technology have access to raw materials. As battery recycling ramp up world wide the LFP stuff reclaimed will not be needed for battery storage setups since the LINa battery is a better, more cost effective fit for that use. It's a win win!!

[@charlesmarsh9608]

Let's hope they can Take this forward, good luck.

[@davidsonkeith8465]

Leaving a like & a comment for the algorithm because of your previous videos 👍

[@jonevansauthor]

I may have just lost focus but did they talk about partnering with Tata? They're a pretty big player. Also - please start using chapters for your videos. It's incredibly beneficial and makes life so much easier. I know it must be a pain point but it really does help. Similarly, can't you link the companies in your description?

[@alanhat5252]

Tata is written on the big battery in the corner, no explanation given.

[@RedRouge-j4j]

Company Culture: I worked at a company of maybe 15 people where the boss insisted everyone including him, went to the canteen for coffee, maybe 10 minutes all of us at the same time, sitting down. It worked, we communed. We made cutting edge (sorry) oil industry (mostly) products. Boss was ousted. Coffee time dwindled. I left not long after.

[@nr5494]

It’s so refreshing to have a podcast delivered by such clearly intelligent, switched on techies and business people. Good luck to Lina. I missed the explanation for the Tata branding that appeared, if there was one. Talking of branding, how do you decide whether an episode is branded as fully charged or everything electric? It’s a bit confusing.

[@RichardASlack]

What a great little business! Their clarity of direction together with some unique technology smells of success!

[@angusmcbraith]

Brilliant

[@jorgevieiro5774]

Great podcast. Imogen is such a good interviewer, personal but very thorough. This technology would also work very well in the US southern states, and they probably can get a higher price than in India (which could subsidize its use in the global south).

[@everestyeti]

Brilliant interview Imogen, really fascinating and good to see they have an excellent culture in the workplace. As they said a lot safer than lithium and a lot cheaper, lets hope they get some serious government investment, unfortunately it won't be from our government in the UK as they have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗 THANKS FULLY,WILL,ARVIND FOR SHARING THE FUTURE…PROGRESS IS BEING MADE 😎💚💚💚

[@bigbadthesailor5173]

just great: good questions, plenty of time for your guests to share their knowledge and insights.

[@highlanderapparel]

Very informative The Highlander PS kindness is always free. Oh, I'm in Great Lakes USA.

[@HansMilling]

Probably a very interesting episode, but way too long content for me. 10-15 minutes max.

[@flutieflambert]

Two words. Energy arbitrage. Buy low, sell high. Making $$$ by flattening the duck curve. That’s where the money is and that’s where Na ion will shine, and these two guys know it!

[@GGnext.crazycro]

Taking in account all the benefits is sounds like the Sodium Ion battery would be the best candidate for a battery swap system. Drive in swap the battery, and drive away.

[@rickperalta1921]

Nice talk! Looking for raw battery performance and requirements. Energy density? Wh/l and wh/kg Energy capacity cost? Wh/$ Operating tempetsture? 250C Operating life? Years, cycles EOL recycling Outline of target aoolicstion? Maybe replace a peaker power plant (Gw) or auto super charger (Mw) Et c

[@jimlymm]

Food grade salt - WTF. Wishing them all the best in commercialising this.

[@murraymadness4674]

Grid storage is a good use case for heavier batteries, however, you then must compete with lots of other technologies in which the cost might not be as great benefit. For vehicles, their battery cost is a huge issue. As I understand, the chinese sodium batteries are about the same as Lithium Iron, which have been used in vehicles and are safe, just has less energy and thus range. As I have been saying for decades now...for cars, we don't need long range, we need cheap batteries that can recharged quickly, and we have recharging done in very convenient ways, not going to a charge station and sit for 2 hours..

[@flutieflambert]

The problem with capital investment is that it is risk averse, while all scientific (and artistic) inquiry must embrace and celebrate risk. Science can’t possibly know the answer until it is investigated and there is no way of knowing ahead of time which paths will bear the most fruit and which will bear none. Scientific inquiry almost always uncovers things that nobody could or would expect. That process is anathema to being risk averse. It IS risk.

[@chrisw1462]

Solid State??? You have a metallic Sodium anode. The melting point of Sodium metal is 97.8 C. There's no way it's solid at 250 C.

[@nicklov1]

Brilliant podcast, it really shows that there are ways of turning the climate problem around, and people with knowledge are the answer. It remains to be seen whether “people with knowledge” can persuade the others to join and “jump on the train”. At the moment it’s not looking good unless there is a lot of money to be made for the others.

[@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue]

What the hell is the size comparison to floppy disks then biscuits about? Am old, but if I was describing the size of that in 2024 I would use a term like sata ssd. Just bizarre for a relatively young person on a tech show to use such weird comparisons.

[@AlanWilliams-su4bs]

I have tried watching this several times but I never get what is really exciting about the technology. Or it’s performance. Imogen is excellent but what demo did we see? Nothing other than two guys talking into their desk microphones. Nothing in there to excite or stimulate IMHO.

[@nosuchthingasshould4175]

‘The founders’, ‘the culture’ ‘the banter’ ‘the family’ - so, a startup cult?

[@fetB]

14:44 that's a polite way to phrase it was pushed aside intentionally. Since the ICE has overtaken the BEV is the 1920's there was a need for better batteries to get the BEV competitive again, especially considering this was around the oil crisis and there was great interest in alternatives

[@dh2032]

what about weight, iron and salt (stone in essence), not the lightest of things and it's to of them in the batteries? for static (none moving batteries yes maybe? but if battery not moving is an actual battery the best option in the first place, big Capacitors really big Capacitors room sized ones or ever pyramid sized ones maybe?

[@typxxilps]

And did they mention one time the competition ? Here we have a huge dedicaded battery research cluster and startups doing pretty much the same but facing fierce competition from china cause they are a bit ahead and they have investigated these technologies before but will not use these unless the price for lithium will increase over X This is just a pure bet and might go well or wrong but I suggest to look into the competition , new startups in other EU countries and those will be funded much easier and better than british ones after brexit cause that has to stop.

[@StewartMidwinter]

The elephant in the room with solid state batteries is preventing dendrites from flooding. You didn't get into that at all, so perhaps that's part of the open "secret source" that this company has developed.

[@johnsmedley8843]

A brilliant video , so uplifting. I'm sure Lina will be a spectacular success.

[@kola100]

Interesting things coming along - driven in part by the un ethical and unsustainable use of rare metals-yet still we carry on sayinghow good ev’s are for the planet - as it stands ,there not - hence ford stopping and Toyota stance -

[@zavatone]

Just stop using those clickbaity arrows in your thumbnails. We're not idiots. We can see what the text refers to.

[@andymacleod2365]

You could reduce the price of your insulation by using many laminate layers of 2mm of perlite and aluminium foil, perlite aluminium foil laminates are very cheep

[@billleddy602]

Terrific interview. Thank you very much for sharing it.

[@shortbuslife3440]

If this has a life span of 20-25 years this risks going the same way as NiFe batteries.

[@vincentdevillers2460]

A superb disruptive technology...more to follow

[@RoyPounsford]

Imogen, I have just realise that you are as good as Helen as a presenter, and is of a very high standard.

[@Ted_adventurer]

Love the rhythmic use of the word 'as'

[@homelifeone]

Ho, good. Another new battery that will be reading 2 to 4 years. Unique

[@typxxilps]

Where is Helen cause she was way more familiar with battery chemistry and the whole implications.

[@neildolan7177]

Cooling towers only emit water vapour. They do not create pollution.

[@TonyLing]

I wanted to hear more about the limitations of the tech in its current state more than the corporate vibe

[@jamespkinsella5018]

Dont let the corporations buy you and bury your wonderful product.

[@nicevideomancanada]

Get Will Prowse to review this battery. www.youtube.com/@WillProwse

[@马爷-m8i]

Contact leading sodium ion battery pre-a team DM

[@FreekHoekstra]

Could this be the moment where the UK cement its position as a global leader and battery technology? This sounds a lot like UK first content, now I understand you guys don’t work that way, but the vast majority of your audience isn’t interested in whether this battery is getting developed “ locally” in the UK because that’s not where they are. I get home bias and all that, but realize that majority of your viewers are probably not from the UK, and this is a perfect way to over time Rub them the long way. As for the question, No. Why? Because China is building more faster has much bigger sodium reserves, already has production ready cells, has a large internal market to produce to, and low cost of manufacture, and you cannot cement what you haven’t started the foundation for. China is the undisputed leader in battery technology that’s not pretend anything else. Obviously, I do hope that other countries starts stepping up their efforts, but the only ones cementing their position is China. In the UK is not a great place to manufacture anything now because you can’t send your goods anywhere cheaply, You’re better off manufacturing either in a low cost country or in mainland Europe/north america where the stuff is easily moved around without any barriers

[@nicevideomancanada]

My Brother is a Manager with Tata Airlines in Delhi India.

[@mhmdnazel1]

The brine waste that we get after desalination and RO is sodium... so we can extract the sodium from that and use it... is basically free...

[@thekaxmax]

part of their point

[@alanhat5252]

dragging it out of a hole in the ground is even cheaper & that's what they're doing

[@robinhood4640]

Why would they use waste when it's cheaper to extract it and make more waste? It's not like we haven't got anywhere to chuck it all. We haven't even half filled up the oceans with crap, and we can burn lots of it, which doesn't even go to the oceans. If that's not possible, just dig a hole and put it in there. Using waste would only be a good idea if we didn't have anywhere to chuck it.

[@Drexgreen-x]

Kudos for a well rounded and so interesting interview!

[@h2rider953]

Cycle life and voltage range?

[@cg986]

It's pretty bad and that can't change because lithium is a better carrier. However, it's fine for storage, which we need tons of.

[@alanhat5252]

​@@cg9867,000 cycles was mentioned, which beats lithium's 5,000 baseline.

[@cg986]

​@@alanhat5252 Sorry, but it won't be able to compete. I am not going to explain to you the logic of the periodic table.

[@jeebusk]

25:00 Deli, that's where sandwiches are from!

[@EGDD-42]

So the video is - here's the tech & its history - the science is solid, we are focusing on domestic & industrial storage niche. The history 1970's - material science has changed so its come of age today, your technical objections - long life & its stronger than you think. There are lots of markets that we are not even talking about yet, the potential is massive... There is much research to be done to improve energy density - nb: yes Aberdeen Uni is doing work on this as well. We are after the next round investors for assembly lines - proof of concept, then scale-up. (Are these two looking to exit?) Here's the list of competitors to prove it's a viable investment (nobody invests in a genuine leader/innovator) We are talking about regional "micro" factories / in countey assembly lines (automated - low staff head count - low logistics costs = high margin). We've paid a significant amount of money to consultants to prove our method of assembly will work. (It would probably have been cheaper to build one & start flogging them - but we didn't want to take that gamble) Corporate culture is good & team is happy, please give us your money

[@teardowndan5364]

I have a bunch of UPSes that need new batteries, wish I could get some affordable Na-ion cells of known origins to slap replacement 12V and 24V battery packs together with and probably not have to worry about replacing batteries for the next 15+ years.

[@markmuir7338]

The UK only invests in oil exploration and financial games. Both government and private investors. I really wish they had more foresight, but that’s why I moved to the USA.

[@boombox2661]

Is that Exxon Mobile in Fawley, Hampshire that is building the new Hydrogen and low sulphur diesel plant in 2024?

[@jamesdubben3687]

Interesting: They operate at 200C and Ambri (liquid metal batter) operates at 500C. Just a comment.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Imogen was very unprofessional straying off-topic like that. We would never see such antics from Robert!

[@Tumbleweed5150]

I can hardly wait until they come up with a battery/battery bank that will be available to us off-grid folks. Here in the Southern California desert, we NEED a battery that can handle the heat!

[@Argoon1981]

We already add a bunch of cool tech on the 60's and 70's, IMO because the post war boom, no pun intended, helped people invent new things they just needed more refinement and that is what takes time. But what they add back then was already usable it seems, thou in less quantity.

[@adrianaspalinky1986]

Imogen is the best. Just clear, technical, communication.😊

[@MrGMawson2438]

Elon Musk says 1 Billion Tesla Robots are coming to the workforce The Electric Viking

[@ericvet8b]

Best of luck guys at LiNA… let’s hope we can keep the manufacturing here in UK too, not just the R&D… Is this LiNA related to LiNA Medical??

[@Greybone62]

The square battery looked like an XL-sized After Eight Dark Chocolate..

[@andyroid7339]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/joTFf4itjNB7o68 Why bother to mine the salt? Build the battery production facility alongside a desalination plant powered by solar energy and use the salt rich brine which is returned to the sea. The temperature is right for the functioning batteries, the storage need is there, the land is available:

[@bryancox2807]

Where is the detail C rate cell ageing what's been done on prototypes government grants investors collaboration Great to be excited about the new and I wish all sussess but to support need more proformance information. Or is this a damper for other storage heat gravity battery etc. It can be another case of fantastic things promoted but nothing under the sheet. I do hope not.

[@MartinBeck-vq5lp]

A terrific podcast, very informative. But what I think is great is the fact that real people work with real people to start to solve real world problems. I wish LiNa Energy all the very best for the future, which I hope will be based in the UK.

[@theunknownunknowns5168]

Imogen is great at these interviews. Thought you were a engineer and presenter not a all round science commucator. Imogen you can now do two or three lackluster episodes and we won't even notice. This is how bloke works, learn our ways to defeat the patriarchy from within. 😅😂 it's funny because it's true.

[@alanhat5252]

sorry, not funny