A minimum speed limit is a minimum speed limit

[@Anna-or8ij]

I dont understand how people argue over this??? Like its literally the rules that everyone needs to learn in driving school

[@galdavonalgerri2101]

There are so many things to be learned. Who does really have a car going less than 100? And about driving ... this a national theme for Germans

[@Wiibiplay]

People seem to have the need to be right.

[@Green12hkiesiesk]

I know a lot of people that didn't learn this rule specifically. (i live in Germany) I don't know why, but i guess it dosen't get asked in the test. Im speaking of people that got their licence in 2022

[@patrickspendrin3107]

Because unlike the maximum speed the different road conditions actually can dictate you to drive below minimum speed limit. This doesn't exist for maximum speed limit and so calling it a minimum speed limit is kind of wrong. E.g. There are such signs on German Autobahn on steep hills. In case of traffic jams, this sign would essentially mean that the traffic jam would have to be restricted to the right most (sign-free) lane and the other lanes would have to be kept free, wheras that is not the case, all lanes need to be used, even if you drive below minimum required speed. That's why I find it really difficult to insist on calling this a minimum speed limit.

[@gustavgans8278]

@@patrickspendrin3107sigh -It’s a minimum speed limit, because under normal circumstances you must drive faster than that. -under normal circumstances you must stop in front of a red light, too. (You may carefully pass the red traffic light to let an emergency vehicle pass, for example) -under normal circumstances you must let the vehicle to your right go first. (Unless four cars arrive at a crossing at the same time. Then one has to go first, after coordinating with the others) -under normal circumstances police cars must obey the maximum speed limit (, unless an emergency dictates to go faster) No rule without exception. Every rule is primarily written for normal circumstances. Yes, it is a minimum speed limit No idea what you want to say with your right lane traffic jam, though.

[@ralfbauerfeind8236]

One addition: the vehicle you are driving on the Autobahn or Expressway must be able to drive with a speed of minimum 60km/h... without having (illegal) modifications. So, no modified E-Bike!

[@fisch37]

_Technically_ you must be able to drive faster than 60 km/h

[@christiankastorf4836]

@@fisch37 That is why those heavy duty cranes that are mounted on a truck have that (cynical) 62 km/h sticker on their back to indicate that they are allowed on the Autobahn.

[@__christopher__]

If it has illegal modifications, you may not drive it on any public road. No matter what speed it can go with or what speed it could go without those modifications.

[@Adlerjunges83]

The vehicle must be capable of driving >60 km/h.

[@anna-flora999]

Your vehicle must have a vehicle type specific maximum speed limit of 60 ​@@fisch37

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

The only place I've ever seen a minimum speed limit is in the Kingsway Mersey Tunnel, it being 10 mph. When I went through it on my Pass Plus course, my instructor tested me by asking what the sign for it meant and I was able to tell him, to which he clarified that you don't carry on doing 10 mph if the vehicle in front is only doing 5!

[@raraavis7782]

I always feel bad, when I pass other cars on the right on the Autobahn in slow traffic. I mean, you don't always have a choice in that kind of situation, you gotta move with the speed of the other vehicles in your lane. But it's just so deeply ingrained in me, to not overtake others on the right, it still makes me uncomfortable 😆

[@hurz506]

​@@raraavis7782I feel you

[@theodorthegreathe]

In Ukraine, there was at least one more than reasonable use of that sign: there was a huge pipeline - like such that countries use to export crude oil - but used for ammonia. (The total consumption by numerous chemical industries at the terminus and convenience of the mass production at the start justified such means of transportation). Well, over the pipeline ±150 meters, minimal velocity has been enforced by this very signage - and rightfully so.

In mainland europe it is common on sections with climbing lane to force slow vehicles to that lane.

[@B.Ies_T.Nduhey]

Now that's very good of him!

[@rainerzufall42]

You are absolutely right! Your facts are (as usual) well researched!

[@Salztorte]

Your frustration that you need to talk road signs and the Straßenverkehrsordnung again

[@BWB_Cubing]

Fun fact: because of the 60kph minimum speed, there are actually tractors which are allowed on the autobahn, like the jcb fasttrac which can go ~70

[@arthur_p_dent]

Of course, you can't legally drive these with a normal agricultural tractor licence class L (which is included in the passenger vehicle licence class B) or the agricultural licence class T. Instead, you are going to need a truck/HGV licence (C if the tractor weighs more than 7.5 tons, C1 otherwise, though you will need CE or C1E is the tractor is supposed to tow trailers) And yes - some mobile cranes have "62" signs on them and of course they limited to exactly 62 km/h because if it were only 60, they wouldn't be allowed on the Autobahn.

[@BWB_Cubing]

@@arthur_p_dent i didnt think about that I knew you needed it for some, but i didnt know that these needed it too

[@janh.9841]

There is no 60 kph min. speed, just the requirement to be able to drive faster than that. It's perfectly legal to drive 50 on the Autobahn since there isn't any min. speed requirement at all.

[@BWB_Cubing]

@janh.9841 thats what i meant by that, i just didnt know the propper way to put it Its updated now so thanks I mean many trucks also get even below 40kph on a steep hill

[@janh.9841]

@@BWB_Cubing I'm sorry, my comment should have been a reaction to another comment here and got misplaced somehow. Your statement was perfectly clear and correct :)

[@marge2548]

All very clear now, Sir. Thank you, Sir. Speaking of Minimum Speed limits, btw: When a friend of mine had her driver's licence, first longer trip she took was to visit me. After about 2 hrs of driving Autobann on her way to our village, there was a road (Landstraße) with a very dangerous turn. Hence, there was a speed limit of 70 km/h. (I usually took that turn at 60, max.) She very agitatedly complained that there was this speed limit which _demanded_ that she took that turn at 70 km/h, claiming that she was glad she had made it out of that alive... (!) (I think to this day that this trip had been a little to long for her and she was just exhausted and for a moment got - very much confused. Fortunately, all went well...)

[@Achtungg_baby]

Poor lady! I can't imagine the stress she was under.

[@morbvsclz]

Well driving instructors tend to say: We're entering (for example) an 80 limit now, so please accelerate to 80. And they actively teach you to drive the speed limit, because you are not allowed impede traffic either. She may have taken that a bit too much to heart. Maybe she tended to drive too slowly and got told off a lot for it and became a bit paranoid. Or the instructor did not make it sufficiently clear that you can go slower, when conditions require it.

[@marge2548]

@@morbvsclz Yeah, you might actually be right about that! 🙂

[@gur262]

It's weird. Most roads are overcautious with speed limits. Not so much in Bavaria I noticed, but very much so on the motorcyclists favorite Johanniskreuz region in Rheinland Pfalz. There's too many sharp corner warnings to be taken seriously that's why there's a neon yellow special sign for the one that's actually brutal and surprisingly gets tighter , we call that a dog curve / Hundskurve

[@marge2548]

@@Achtungg_baby Fortunately, from that turn she only had to go 2 or so more Kilometers, with little to no bends, and then, village roads with a 50 km speed limit. My parents (we were all still in school at that time, and I could not even drive myself, I think - long time ago indeed) talked everything through with her the next day before she went back, so I think the second time went better.

[@TomekSmykowski]

It would also be beneficial to point out that the minimum speed limit is most commonly used for one lane on a multilane road. For example, you might have one lane with a minimum speed limit for fast traffic and another for slower vehicles. The only places I’ve seen this were on a steep uphill gradient. The slow lane was intended for heavy vehicles that couldn’t get up to speed uphill.

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

We have those on steep gradients in the UK - they're called crawler lanes

[@ilvittore2544]

@@Inkyminkyzizwoz it is that concept, but there is a bit more freedom in its usage. I know of a local Autobahn where there is a steep uphill and there are three lanes. in the rightmost lane there is no minimum speed limit, so everybody can get up that hill. in the middle lanethere is a minimum of 50 km/h, so that fast trucks and buses can overtake slower vehicles, but not everybody just piles up in that lane. in the left lane there is a minimum of 90 km/h. no truck or bus will be able to do that speed up this hill, so this is essentially a lane only for cars. this consept can be expanded for 4 lanes with smaller steps in the limit for example. for a steeper hill the middle lane can even get a lower limit or sth. i like it .

Usually used on sections with climbing lanes

[@arthur_p_dent]

@@ilvittore2544 where the road has three lanes or more, trucks and buses (and vehicles with a max weight of at least 7.5 tons in general) aren't allowed on the leftmost lane anyway. (except in order to turn left, but that is obviously not applicable to the Autobahn)

[@JonBrase]

When I was growing up in Denver in the 90s, the local stretch of I-25 had a posted minimum of 40 mph. Being in the US, of course, the signage was different (and included the written word "minimum", so that there was absolutely no question about the meaning). Then there's Texas, which is unusual in that some roads actually have posted nighttime speed limits.

[@Slazlo-Brovnik]

Das ist doch alles normaler Führerscheinstoff. Wieso gibts da überhaupt was zu streiten. Andererseits ist ja inzwischen selbst so Kram wie Blinken offenbar optional - da wunder einen nix mehr.

[@letsgoiamready9807]

„Appendix 2 section 7 of the German road traffic regulations“ you have become a true ALMAN

[@KaiHenningsen]

Compare one of the numerous videos about the many names for Germany.

[@RoonMian]

You failed to bring up the beautiful German word "bauartbedingt" :D

[@captainb4]

Okay, those who argue will understand. BUT... 😂

[@sayna9630]

I cannot understand how people will see videos stating facts and, instead of verifying those facts through a 2 minute google search, will simply say that you are wrong...honestly some people

[@Muttisuri]

In Portugal (autobahn) has a minimum limit of 50km/h

[@Vampirzaehnchen]

That's why the sometimes actually added blue "speed limit" signs are shaped like a square.

[@elrond8490]

Yes, all is clear, Sir.

[@minski76]

I think we need five more videos or so. I'm still a bit uncertain about some elements of this...

[@galdavonalgerri2101]

:-)

[@Bumi-90]

I only knew of one situation where this sign was used, on an incline leading into bielefeld on the autobahn. So that cars and trucks struggeling to go up will not block all lanes

[@sonofapirate]

I'd love to enjoy arguing about something else in Germany

[@automation7295]

People on the internet just love arguing over everything.

[@sonofapirate]

@@automation7295 that's what I want

[@sonofapirate]

@@automation7295 good

[@1972Ray]

The economy? The new military draft?

[@sonofapirate]

@@1972Ray Interesting answers

[@thelobsylife5174]

Man came with the gesetzbuch! 😂

[@Heimbasteln]

In Germany we also have a rectangular blue sign with a number on it, that one only means that it's the recommended speed, so there is no enforcement. If there are no signs stating otherwise, you are recommended to drive 130km/h on the Autobahn for example.

[@muemelification]

No, you are not recommended to drive 130 on the Autobahn! You are recommended to _not exceed_ 130, even under perfect conditions.

[@automation7295]

It's funny how people say "In [X] country we also have a rectangular blue sign with a number on it" when all European countries have such sign.

[@richardharrold9736]

​@@muemelification which would be downright bloody dangerous when everyone else is doing 200+...

[@galdavonalgerri2101]

> In Germany we also have no, We had. Im Zuge einer Neufassung der Straßenverkehrsordnung im Jahr 2013 wurden die Verkehrszeichen 380 "Richtgeschwindigkeit" und 381 "Richtgeschwindigkeit Ende" gestrichen. Noch aufgestellte Schilder behalten bis zum 31. Oktober 2022 ihre Gültigkeit.

[@automation7295]

@@galdavonalgerri2101 If traffic sign 380 "Recommended speed" was deleted, they why does recommended speed of 130 still appear on traffic sign 393.

[@alexhajnal107]

_"so is that clear now?"_ Jein!

[@cameroneridan4558]

Anyone who knows anything abt what signs mean know that 🔵 Blue Signs with White details are Imperative signs, that give "orders" like, for instance, minimum speed you must always be above or the lane that you must drive onto.

[@erunaraina]

Komme gerade von einer längeren Fahrt über die Autobahn: Nein. Es ist noch nicht allen klar...

To make things more complicated: The lack of speed limit isn't bound to the Autobahn in Germany but to separated directions and more than one lane. So it could also be that there's no speed limit on a Bundesstraße.

[@Tomlis96]

Not only could be, there are Bundesstraßen without a speed limit! They are rare, but for example the B2 near Nuremberg has sections that have no speed limit.

[@rewboss]

I was talking about the _minimum_ speed limit.

@@rewbossPardon, I didn't want to tease you. Just wanted to add some random fact about speed, to pick up the general mood in the comments. So here's a constructive comment to pick up your content from your last videos, so you don't feel like the whole world is missing your point: By the way I do know the Bundesstraße between Greifswald and Stralsund. There's a minimum speed limit to avoid agricultural traffic. So they have to take the old cobble stone avenue running parallel.

[@MattiBlume]

It doesn't even have to be a federal road (Bundesstraße). I'm not aware of any specific examples, but technically a state road (Landesstraße), district road (Kreisstraße) or even municipal road (Kommunalstraße) can have no speed limit, if it is built as a dual carriage way.

[@warriorcrafter9905]

​@@Tomlis96 They have speed limits if they're not an Autobahn, usually it's 100 km/h

[@solarianvoid-pi9428]

I don’t know why but that “is that clear now?” feels very German Though I suppose it could be argued that “Hab ich mich klar ausgedrückt” might also just feel British 🤷

[@hurz506]

Someone please ping me if people still argue about the subject

[@Matt_Fields_29]

There's still a lot of Americans who think "speed limit", "recommended speed"(which we don't even have in America), and "minimum speed" are all the same thing.

[@automation7295]

People on the internet just love arguing over everything.

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@Matt_Fields_29 To Americans, speed limit is 15MPH higher than whatever the sign "SPEED LIMIT" actually says.

[@Matt_Fields_29]

@@dustojnikhummer Yep. And I suspect that's because of how cops' radar works. Idk if this is still true today, but it used to be that if you got a speeding ticket for less than 10-15 mph above the limit (for the highways at least) you could argue your way out of it in court because the cops' radar is only accurate within about 10mph.

[@tdm_nicky5603]

Sounds pretty reasonable

[@Firesdale]

§3 section 2 Straßenverkehrsordnung (road traffic regulations): You may not drive so slow as to block traffic, without good reason. Funfact of the day: If driving to slow without reason, leads to an erratic action, of the person forced to overtake you, it can count as coercion and you can be fined or sentenced.

[@janh.9841]

I don't think that is applicable on a Autobahn since there are always dedicated bypass lanes. You may be held liable in case of a crash (usually 50:50), but that's just a risk. There are no court decisions ruling slow driving on an Autobahn as illegal (proof me wrong).

[@Firesdale]

@@janh.9841 If you crash you are usually right, with a 50/50 split. There is still the case of §18 section 1 StVO, wich forbids vehicles from participating, if they cant drive faster than 60km/h. Furthermore you got §2 section 2 StVO, the keep right requirement, which can get you fined 80€ and one penalty point, if you keep driving slow on the middle or left lane.

[@TheDude50447]

Honestly as a german there should be a minimum speed limit on how slowly you can crawl from the acceleration line onto the autobahn unless otherwise forced to go slower. Something along the lines of if the truck behind you has to slam on the brakes...

[@ccityplanner1217]

"A 𝅗𝅥um speed limit is a 𝅗𝅥im speed limit".

[@_yonas]

Many drivers are probably confused by this, thinking that the round sign with a white background, red outline and black text is the minimum speed limit sign. :)

[@Jharlax]

I am german over 40 and never saw the minimum speed limit sign.... so if this is actually used... is very rare.

[@transitcaptain]

Since so many people argue about this let’s add an American detail: These things are everywhere and you can actually get pulled over for driving under the indicated minimum speed limit. Many states have these including Connecticut and Pennsylvania as well as many states out west

[@Matt_Fields_29]

Everywhere on any interstate highway I've seen has a minimum speed of 40. Problem with Americans is many don't know the difference between "speed limit" and "minimum speed" they think the speed limit signs are minimum speed signs.

[@automation7295]

People on the internet just love arguing over everything.

[@Matt_Fields_29]

@automation7295 Yeah but when they say that kinda stuff in court I'm pretty sure they're not just trolling.

[@reinekewf7987]

Actually you have to be able to reach 61kmph otherwise, Big tractors who are allowed to drive 60 could use them too. But there are not allowed because they are only able to reach 60.

[@rewboss]

The law says "more than 60km/h". So those tractors still can't use the autobahn because they can't go more than 60.

[@connor6994]

Also whoever drives under the maximum speed limit has clearly won their Driver's licence in a lottery and should immediately seize to live.

[@roterfrosch5808]

Ja, verstanden!👍

[@tortenschachtel9498]

There will be more videos about this, i can feel it.

[@rewelke]

😂😂well done 👍

[@thereal_Icy_]

At this point this channel is just driving rules

[@kenninast]

Correct!

[@christiankastorf4836]

Simple question: Where do these minimum speed signs are to be found? Simple answer: At steep sections of the road where lorries and cars that tow caravans or trailers are crawling uphill. When the driver notices that his/her vehicle does not make it that fast he/she has to go over to the slow lane.

[@patrickspendrin3107]

Yes, and in case of traffic jam, where do you have to drive?

[@christiankastorf4836]

@@patrickspendrin3107 Stay on the right amidst the other slow vehicles. Tough luck for you. But in such a situation a lorry or car with caravan on tow that goes over to the "fast" lane where it sputters uphill in first gear does not help to make the traffic flow again.

[@oliverlinnemann2110]

Thx.

[@B.Ies_T.Nduhey]

erh... YES, YES, its clear now... 👀 But then, to me, it never wasn't... 😳

[@B.Ies_T.Nduhey]

Uiui, now you're angry ...

[@robert48719]

My interests and those of rewboss seem to have parted ways. Thanks for all the good years Andrew, but I really didn't stick to KZbin only to find out whether I'm driving the proper way on our German roads

[@leisti]

We'll miss you. Write a postcard!

[@keizervanenerc5180]

Currently stuck on Frankfurt Airport station in an ICE. Have been stuck for the past 40 minutes. People on the tracks in front of us.... Literally the only major delay in 2 weeks of traveling by train, mostly in Switzerland and Italy.... Thank you für traveling with Deutsche bahn! And thanks you for the German police to be too incompetent to get someone of the tracks eventhough all trains have been stopped for more than 40 minutes by now!

[@berlinflight_tv]

Any chance that "people on the tracks" might be a euphemism? I know that they generally don’t announce suicides, preferring to stick to something like "medical emergency on the tracks". Could this announcement be a variant of that?

[@murphychurch8251]

"People on the tracks" nowadays usually means someone killed themselves. I remember that roughly 20 years ago they still said "Personenschaden" or "wegen eines Unfalls mit Personenschaden". And if there's someone scattered on and around the tracks, that may take a bit of time.

[@steeleye11]

nothing to add, couldn't be more right

[@Dave12753]

Your car should have to go 90kph at minimum instead of 60 kph, or 55 mph as opose to 37 mph

[@anselmschueler]

I think the title's got a typo

[@rynkydynky]

So Can I go into these roads with my TT bike?

[@hurz506]

Which roads?

[@rynkydynky]

​@@hurz506Autobahn and Express roads.

[@hurz506]

@@rynkydynky Not in Germany. Those roads are reserved for motorized vehicles.

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

@@hurz506The TT is an annual motorbike race on the Isle of Man

[@hurz506]

@@Inkyminkyzizwoz Ohh ok, I thought it was some kind of bicycle ;-). So if the bike is allowed on public roads, I guess it's allowed on the Autobahn too.

[@matthiasklopke161]

Is there a sign that cancels the minimum speed?

[@airbus_a320neo]

Zeichen 279, mit diagonaler roter Linie

[@noahbuettinghus6564]

30 is not the lowest in Germany we have the Verkehrsberuigterbereich sign there you allowed 3,6kmh

[@noahbuettinghus6564]

Fun fact it's the only speed rule that applys also for bikes (nobody care for it)

[@N0d4chi]

Not a minimum speed tho

[@MattiBlume]

​@@noahbuettinghus6564all signed speed limits apply to bicycles. Only the 50 km/h inside built up areas and 100 km/h outside don't legally apply for bicycles, just for motor vehicles. Practically that's almost irrelevant, as cyclists very rarely can maintain speeds above 50 or even 100 km/h.

[@apachelol]

Americans: No.

[@StrayFire]

Almost no German knows, that there is no speed limit on Kraftfahrstraßen. But they act like the Autobahn.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Autobahn in all but name :D

[@gustavgans8278]

That’s not true, though. A Kraftfahrstrasse doesn’t necessarily have a physical barrier between the opposing traffic directions, nor is it always outside of „geschlossener Ortschaften“ Generally speaking, 100 km/h is the limit on Kraftfahrstraßen. Specifically where above mentioned conditions apply, there’s no speed limit. In specific cases you’re right, generally speaking you’re wrong.

[@StrayFire]

@@gustavgans8278 "Generally speaking, 100 km/h is the limit on Kraftfahrstraßen. " You are completely wrong! There are NO speed limits on Kraftfahrstraßen. Stop spreading misinformation!

[@gustavgans8278]

@@StrayFire there are no speed restrictions IF: -not in towns -lanes for each direction -physical barrier between opposing directions. The speed limit is generally 100 km/h unless these conditions apply. §18 StVO. Funny though, how you scream in disbelief 🫢

[@StrayFire]

​@@gustavgans8278 That's because you're talking about exceptions. These rarely occur on Kraftfahrstraßen. It's like saying that there is no speed limit on Autobahnen because that only applies when there is a wide shoulder lane. The norm is that there is no speed limit on modern Autobahnen or Kraftfafhrstraßen unless it is posted. Even on Autobahnen, it may happen that you are only allowed to drive 60 km/h over a long section. Is it therefore correct to say that there is NO speed limit on Autobahnen in Germany? NO!

[@martingantenbein176]

Am German, got my driver's licence almost 20 years ago and never seen sign at any road.

[@christiankastorf4836]

Kasseler Berge, Autobahn 7. It is the only way to make sure that the "middle lane snails" go over to the right lane. Honestly, we (nine of us singers of a choir) were going down south with our 1976 VW-minibus and we were towing a trailer full of our equipment. No problem when the road is even but 70 horsepower are not a lot anymore at a 10% gradient or even more. We had to go down into second gear and that meant we had to fight our way up amidst the lorries who were working hard as well.

[@patrickspendrin3107]

Blöde Argumentation. Es ist vollkommen klar, dass dieses Zeichen *nicht* die Umkehrung der maximalen Geschwindigkeit ist, man darf nämlich sehr wohl langsamer als die Minimalgeschwindigkeit fahren, bei eingeschränkter Sicht, bei Stau(!), bei Unfall usw. Hingegen gibt es keinen Grund schneller als die maximal erlaubte Geschwindigkeit zu fahren. Mal interessehalber würde ich auch gern mal dieses Verkehrsschild gültig für die gesamte Straßenbreite sehen - im Allgemeinen dürfte man ja dafür stattdessen das Kraftfahrstraßenschild haben.

[@rewboss]

Wie es in der StVO steht: man darf die angegebene Geschwindigkeit generell nicht unterdchreiten. Es gibt dann Ausnahmen, aber es ist trotzdem eine -- wie es amtlich heißt -- eine _vorgeschriebene_ Mindestgeschwindigkeit.

[@patrickspendrin3107]

@@rewboss das kann schon sein, dass es so heisst, aber es ist trotzdem nicht das Gleiche wie die Höchstgeschwindigkeit, für die es für mich keine möglichen Ausnahmen gibt. Es dürfte auch so gut wie nie eine Verwarnung wegen Unterschreiten der Höchstgeschwindigkeit geben, den Strafzettel will ich mal sehen. Ich würde deshalb auch von einem *Gebot*scharakter ausgehen (blaue Scheibe) und das ist doch ein wenig etwas anderes.

[@lauramarschmallow2922]

I mean, the "no speed limit on the Autobahn" is utterly irrelevant, if constant construction works and resulting traffic jams limit the the speed anyway on 99% of all Autobahn roads.

[@1972Ray]

You're ruining my fantasy.

[@ricdotdev]

chill

[@juancarlosortiz6756]

Who asked bro

[@MikeGill87]

Let me guess: most people arguing about this are Americans? :-)

[@1972Ray]

He's talking about Germany. Typically, people in the US don't ague over German speed limits.