A More Level-Headed Talk about Sonic Dream Team

Please ignore the random background footage. It has nothing to do with anything. I swear.
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[@murilosampaio1264]

The farming for getting back the money he spent on a stupid Apple device starts

[@Pariah6950]

Noooooo... Noo... Shhh... Okay. Maybe a little lol. But I also think this is a worthwhile video.

[@murilosampaio1264]

@@Pariah6950 It was indeed

[@TheBlueSpikes]

​@@Pariah6950 The exclusivity deal is still anti-consumer and unjust regardless of it making sense from a business perspective. Because beyond the Sonic game being exclusive to Apple, Sonic himself is also unjustly exclusive to SEGA due to how skewed copyright laws are. The point of copyright laws was to promote "the advancement of the sciences and arts" which they did by financially rewarding a creator with a temporary monopoly on the idea. So if you invented a shovel, and it was a good shovel that everyone wanted to buy and you were the only one able to sell that shovel you'd make a lot of money which would motivate more people to innovate further. But this exclusivity was limited to only 14 years with a possible extension to 28 years, according to US law. So after that exclusivity was up, the idea went into public domain and everyone could make their own shovels. Maybe even attach the shovel to a shoe and makes shovel-shoes or something dumb like that which could again be patented and would again given another exclusivity in production which would then expire again, and could then be used by anyone again and so on and so forth. These laws then got changed by Disney wanting to keeping exclusive rights to Mickey and we're at this point now where the laws actually do the opposite of what they were intended for. Instead of promoting creativity, they hamper it since now nobody besides the CEOs at Disney which didn't even create Mickey can legally profit from this idea. Or we have Apple trying to copyright squares that one time because they didn't want other companies competing with their phones. If copyright laws were still as originally set. Sonic would be public domain and everyone should be able to make and profit from making Sonic games. I wouldn't have to rely on SEGA, who everyone agrees is ran by a bunch of retards, because even I could make a living off of making Sonic games. Obviously companies don't want this because then they'd have to invest in good workers and try to make quality products to compete with other entities making the same product in a meritocratic system instead of just funneling millionaire amounts of the money to the CEO's retarded cousin while paying a "living wage" to the people that actually do the work. But that's exactly why things are screwed up, the economy isn't serving the people and instead the people are serving the economy. The lazy and useless sit on top while the creative and proactive are forbidden of ever being a threat to them. So, Mr. Pariah, not only do I think this game shouldn't be exclusive to Apple. I don't even believe Sonic, at 32 years old with most of his creators out of the company, should be exclusive to SEGA.

[@wreday720]

​​​@@TheBlueSpikes Thats cool and all but...this is a completely seperate issue.

[@crimsonzone8984]

​@@TheBlueSpikes does this include English dubbing as well? Which is why we get context like "no copyright law in the universe can stop me!"

[@ricollomaxo1324]

Still going trough the video but I feel like a big thing about this is also the fact that since Apple Arcade is fundamentally a streaming service, this game won't concievable be avaliable trough emulation in the future. I'm not mad about the fact that I can't play the game when it comes out. I'm mad about the fact that it's actually quite possible I won't be able to play this game MANY YEARS from now. The Wii Sonic games are locked to that console but we can emulate that. Emulating anything Apple has always been a pain (oh you just addressed this. yeah, Apple emulation IS an awful endeavor to jump into. anyone saying it's "trivial" is way more tech savy than they're letting it trough) ALSO on the purchasing something like an Apple TV... that's not really a concievable exchange in most countries with weak currencies. Brazillians such as I would have to pay not 70 usd but... (converting currency on google) 280 usd or more on it. Apple has always been AWFUL when dealing with regional pricing. edit: (you also addressed the risk of it becoming lost media, so great)

[@Pariah6950]

Oh, damn. I had no idea it was that bad for other regions. That does suck.

[@n_kelps]

I am a Brazilian too and I can confirm that it's THAT bad.

[@liamsz]

Apple emulation is terrible, but it probably won't at all become lost media, apple isn't one to give up on services easily, they aren't google, and considering the amount of funding that must have went into dream team, apple probably will want it to be one of their flagships in Arcade, so they won't de-list it anytime soon. Furthermore, a lot of people think apple devices mean only iPhones and iPads, but this game will also come out for the Mac, meaning I will be uploading the Appimage for the game, somewhere safe, as soon as the game releases, and considering Apple Arcade games, must be playable off-line as a requirement to join the platform, Dream Team will not suffer the same fate as Runners.

[@Haidar.A-t1w]

​@@n_kelps Man you should be grateful Having a way to play the game is better than nothing I'm Syrian btw 🥲

[@sourlab]

​@@Pariah6950​@Pariah6950 in my country 1 iphone is like 900$ not even including addons and the subscription That's why I'm angry the fact that I had to emulate EVERY SINGLE SONIC GAME bc my country doesn't sell those consoles the only game you can find in my country ( iran ) is sonic forces some of my friends think that forces IS THE ONLY SONIC GAME which just pisses me off why is the worst sonic game literally the only one available

[@brendanblair64]

I disagree that this isn't anti consumer, not because of the exclusivity, but because that it's locked behind a subscription service, with no option to buy the game. I really would buy an Apple TV for this game if I could buy the game itself, but without that option, the Apple TV would become a paper weight after a month. I can't justify a purchase like that. That and I care a lot about preservation, so locking games behind a subscription service is one of my least favorite things a publisher can do.

[@norso]

exactly, its like if sony made spiderman 2 a subscription exclusive and you cant buy the game by itself and own it

[@antdawgjr]

Watch, people gon reply to this and say “but what about Xbox Live & Switch Online??” Those are yearly subscriptions, not darn near ten dollars a month.

[@brendanblair64]

@@antdawgjr I've already seen that defense elsewhere. The cool thing about Game Pass is that it is an option, which is actually what I'm asking for. You can still buy those games too. I actually really dislike that the only way to play a ton of older games on Switch is through a subscription, but at the very least, you can play those games through a lot of other methods. This is way worse than that.

[@Paul_Recall]

Could an Apple TV actually natively run this game well? It doesn't look like a super intensive game, but it doesn't look incredibly easy to run either. The game visually looks too nice for me to believe it could run well on a device that costs 70 dollars.

[@brendanblair64]

@@Paul_Recall You're asking the wrong person, because I know next to nothing about Apple products. I'm pretty sure there's more expensive models, so it'd probably run fine on those.

[@mushroomdude123]

It would be really cool if Sega Hardlight could fill the role that Dimps had in the 2000's where they just made all the smaller titles.

[@antdawgjr]

underrated comment

[@MastaGambit]

And it would be even cooler if sega could, y'know, not fucking lock their future products to fucking apple.

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

​@@MastaGambit Better idea, main Sonic games not being outmatch by a side project from Apple

[@MastaGambit]

@@JuanPablo-su6vw Yeah but for THAT to happen, the current Sonic Team needs to be completely restructured. The level designers they got working there these days have ACTUALLY produced some of the WORST fucking 3D sonic levels of all time. That entire damn TEAM needs to be scrubbed.

[@Aaaa-g6u8e]

The last time I heard of Apple Arcade was back in 2020 when Wayforward announced the new Shantae and the Seven Sirens. Around 2021 they released the game for all consoles. So it might be safe to assume Sonic Dream Team might not be exclusively for Apple after a certain amount of time.

[@paperluigi6132]

Worlds End Club, a game made by the Danganronpa devs, was Apple Arcade exclusive for a while before releasing on consoles.

[@t-bird6853]

Well, Sonic Racing stayed exclusive, didn't it?

[@fireflygaming8764]

​@@t-bird6853Then again Sonic Racing was essentially a mobile port of Team Sonic Racing.

[@t-bird6853]

@@fireflygaming8764there's exclusive characters, like classic sonic

[@SuperSeenith]

If it does well

[@legoboy7107]

He did it. He's finally playing Sonic Colors. 🤣

[@bonnymel4506]

Poor soul 🤣

[@moosesues8887]

Finally playing peak

[@DSmith3279]

​@@bonnymel4506Colors is GOATed, Wdym?

[@mrjack3855]

I wish I liked colors more

[@bonnymel4506]

@@DSmith3279 I say that because Colors has so much of things he constantly says he hates in video games, the only game I can imagine him hating more is Sonic Lost World

[@solidusgadget]

Dream Team being Apple Arcade exclusive isn't that bad when you remember that people in selected countries can't buy any Sega game.

[@urlhnd]

Fr, in Ukraine you can’t even download any Sonic game on Android.

[@AlexanTheMan]

Region locking is the worst thing next to stepping on shards of glass

[@L0an47]

@@urlhndbut you can download APKs

[@RaziMemeGod]

Yeah, but now they're locking it behind overpriced devices AND a subscription service.

[@charmyzard]

Meh. It's AS bad.

[@mrbanks456]

I hope Hard Light becomes the next Dimps and matches or even surpasses Sonic Team's game quality.

[@gaminglakitu]

I'm really glad you actually brought up SegaHardlight. Considering the fact that they've basically just been the Sonic Dash team for so long and now they actually get to show their stuff is really cool, but I also feel like that's the reason why this might stay exclusive to mobile, at least for a long while. Since HardLight is basically Sega's mobile team, the higher ups might just see it as a mobile game to keep the Sonic brand name active there, which might be set in stone with the executives at Sega, but I do hope that if the game is well received enough and is successful enough for Sega, they'll decide to bring the game over to consoles and PC's that aren't Apple MacBooks

[@Astro_Crunch]

Regardless of where this game goes, I'd actually be interested to see Hardlight take on other more ambitious projects. While I'm not huge on mobile games, the games they've worked on seem pretty high-quality for what it's worth. Dream Team looks like the first opportunity they've had to really spread their wings and get more creative, and the little they've shown off so far of the game has promise. I bet they could make some amazing stuff if Sega gave them the chance.

[@supercamborg4218]

The people at hardlight I’ve had the pleasure of having the chance to speak to on their discord were very excited to show off the game and devs had previously mentioned that they would like the chance to work on a larger scale title before, so I know at the very least some of the dev team are passionate about the game

[@Astro_Crunch]

@@supercamborg4218 that's cool to hear! That passion definitely shows in just how polished the game looks.

[@kilometersperminute4113]

You kind of have to consider the landscape and reputation of the franchise at the moment. The movie is a great morale boost but they’re still mending Sonic’s reputation to make it a worthwhile venture.

[@Astro_Crunch]

@@kilometersperminute4113 considering Sonic Team's output for the series has had diminishing returns since Generations, maybe letting another team take a crack at a Sonic game might not be a bad idea. Frankly, I think Sonic Team could use a break from the series. Aside from Puyo Puyo Tetris, I'm not sure they've gotten to work on much else outside of Sonic in a long time. And besides, Mania was proof that getting a fresh pair of eyes on Sonic can give it the kick in the pants that it needs.

[@kilometersperminute4113]

@@Astro_Crunch Mania is still collaborated with Sonic Team. Superstars was Arzest collaborating with Sonic Team. Sonic Team's diminishing returns has to do with multiple factors, but from what I've heard of update 3 people are singing high praises, so I think we're on track.

[@partyjams]

thanks for making this follow up. I think a lot of people misunderstood the circumstances of this game. like you said it's just like any other platform exclusive. if anything it's one of the better one because this isn't a game stolen from other platforms via negotiations. Instead it was made specifically for the platform. Also want to say you used some good examples in your video to illustrate your point. I would like to add something in terms of this being a "bad business decision". Apple Arcade has like 100 million users and likely more after this announcement. The mobile market is huge. Regardless of what people consider "a real game", if even a small percentage of user try out Dream Team, this game will have more players than most of the console releases. As much as fans say Sega is losing out of their purchases by going on this platform, and I hope for those fans it does get ported, there's a large consumer base for Sega here. If Apple went to Sega as we think, there's likely a huge one already on Arcade from pre existing titles (look at Apple Arcade adverts. Sonic was at the center even before Dream Team). Plus if this game does well, Apple & Sega might release more titles like it

[@Pariah6950]

Honestly, I now fear Apple might see how much attention and excitement this is bringing to Arcade, and they might consider buying Sega. I could see that happening. And then it's all over.

[@BladeBrigade7]

​@@Pariah6950 CD about to fortell the future

[@partyjams]

@@Pariah6950 well that's a whole new video idea lol. I mean Apple Arcade has had more discussion with this announcement then they've had in a long time (I say as a long time user and mobile gamer in general). But not too worried about this because Sega does more than just video games. Sonic is also much more than just games now too. Plus if anything Sega is going to get more active in the mobile space themselves. Remember they recently bought the angry bird devs. They are forging good relationships with Apple with deals like this

[@frfrankie23]

Very unlikely they would buy Sega. Does not align with current strategy in their Q3 report. We would see the signs much earlier.

[@urlhnd]

I think Apple’s relations with Nintendo have soured over the years, hence why they’re relying more on SEGA now.

[@hoenntrumpets]

I believe Nintendo invested into the production of mobile games in the first place because of their financial struggle from the times of the Wii U, but due to the massive success of the Nintendo Switch, Nintendo does not need to rely too much on their mobile games anymore.

[@MastaGambit]

Ironic, considering just how from-the-same-pod those two companies are lmao

[@jonahabenhaim1223]

10:55 exactly, one of my main worries with this being an Apple Exclusive is what if at some point in time it’s no longer supported and gets permanently delisted? That means there will be no way to play it. So I’m hoping that It’ll eventually make it’s way to other Platforms or else it’s worrying. And make it 30 dollars? Who knows…

[@superscoobsses5633]

I’m so glad you actually took the time to buy play and talk abt this cuz I wasent going too, plus you did it quick

[@Gnidel]

Yes, Nintendo exclusives are scummy too (PlayStation ones are ported to PC years later so it's okay). Let's call scummy things scummy even if they have been status quo since forever. And you have no idea how disappointed I was too know that Sonic will be exclusive to Wii U for the next 3 games, the only thing that prevented me from forgetting about this series was discovery that I can now emulate Wii, PSP and DS games so I had a backlog of stuff that I could play.

[@invisibleloki26]

okay buddy, u try making ur money back on a multi billion dollar investment while letting ur competition distribute ur product. Sounds like a great endeavor. Exclusives are not scummy, they give the industry a reason to put in EFFORT. use critical thinking. In most cases, when third party games are exclusive like the aforementioned sonic 3 game contract, Nintendo is literally paying Sega to make those games exist. Too bad Sonic was busy rolling in his own filth for those 3 games.

[@Gnidel]

@@invisibleloki26 You make it sound like third party games are not made with effort, when lots of them are phenomenal thanks to investment into them. They all prove that exclusivity is not necessary to make good and profitable games.

[@invisibleloki26]

@@Gnidel ...what? Wait wait no im not falling for this non logic bait. I never said third party games are lesser games and u extrapolating that from me saying exclusivity deals help fund projects and rejuvinates competition has no correlation with what you said. None, zilch, I never said these words that you put into my mouth. Its like you decided it was too hard to reply to what I actually said so you decided to make a strawman to argue with instead.

[@laststrike4411]

​@@invisibleloki26"Won't someone think of the Multi million dollar companies?" ...Seriously? Why are some people so eager to defend this crap?

[@netizen10008]

@@laststrike4411because without competition, innovation would stagnate. Stagnate markets are complacent and produce stale products. Capitalism 101.

[@moderategamer3333]

I also find myself subscribing and unsubscribing from Apple Arcade depending on the library. My recent subscription expired and with Sonic Dream Team, I’m resubscribing this December. It’s not the most elegant way to handle a subscription, but I won’t lie, it’s been working so far.

[@MGLpr0]

3:58 Phones at this point in time have surpassed the performance levels of the 7th gen consoles long time ago, current mobile phones already surpassed the 8th gen consoles like PS4 and Xbox One. They are still held back a bit by battery life and thermals, but the raw power is there. Mobile phones on paper make Switch look like a joke.

[@LobotomyTC]

The Switch is an android phone from 7 years ago, with hardware identical to the nVidia Shield. All you just said was that time has passed. Yep, you're absolutely right. Technology got better over almost a decade. Phones might be more powerful than they were 7 years ago, but phones are still garbage as a platform for games. Always will be.

[@MGLpr0]

@@LobotomyTC Switch specifically has an Underclocked Shield CPU to stop overheating and reduce battery usage

[@nic_iutube]

dude i really can't tell when you're joking or not, you said last video you were joking a lot but its so serious and sincere I really don't know what to make of it, because i was just agreeing with you and didn't seem you were exaggerating stuff for comedy (great videos tho, just a thought about the tone of your commentary)

[@Pariah6950]

The last video was mostly a joke. I was having fun with my rage lol. Lots of people say it's hard to read when I'm joking or not. My humor's just too dry lol.

[@Haidar.A-t1w]

I got used to it since the sonic heroes review and the long explanation of the coin joke

[@hgmd3284]

this is the most mature talk about this situation ive ever herd. i love sonic and i love apple arcade, so this is like a early sonic chrismas present for me. i think the uproar is caused by 2 things coming together exclusivity and apple and ive lived long enough on this earth to know that people GOD DAMN FUCKING HATE those 2 things as much as "X" hates chris pratt. so combine those 2 things together and add in a thing people love, that being sonic, and you got a omlete that people will gouge thier eyes out so they wont see it. the omlete might taste really great, but just looking at it makes people wince in pain.

[@MastaGambit]

Thus why I don't believe anyone trying to gaslight me into believing that Dream Team being apple exclusive is somehow "not a problem".

[@ZachaRicO]

You make a good point that this is technically nothing new in gaming, and Sonic’s done this before. I think it feels so jarring for everyone because every major game since Mania has been a multiplatform release, and now we’re getting a game that’s not only exclusive, but it’s exclusive to a subscription service.

[@LobotomyTC]

The biggest insult to the injury comes down to the fact that this game is, no matter what, worse than it could be, just for being a touchscreen phone game. There is literally no game on earth that is better played with a touch screen, save for games that are designed to use the screen like a drawing pad. ANY other type of game is always going to be better with a controller. Always.

[@Haidar.A-t1w]

It's a heart breaking thing to be a sonic fan living in Syria 🇸🇾

[@Sparkys_World-0]

Outrun Online Arcade, After Burner Climax and Sonic Runners are what immediately come to mind when I think of digital SEGA games that have been rendered totally lost and unplayable. Sometimes its because a license expires, and other times its just cos it ran its course as a viable cash cow. Personally I don't treat games as transient things, I want to pay for them once and have access to them forever. Its deeply annoying to pay more money than I usually would for *temporary* access to a game I may or may not even enjoy. Even if the game turned out to be awesome, it'd be infuriating to essentially be stuck with this service for the foreseeable future because Apple just doesn't believe in letting me own a game.

[@AlexRodriguez-wq8nb]

Don't forget the SEGA Heroes mobile game. That discontinuing last year kinda hurt😭

[@MastaGambit]

Apple doesn't believe in letting you own ANYTHING you buy. Period.

[@gokuuzumaki5748]

3:10 I've waited all year to hear Fumihiko Tachiki beautiful voice in a Pariah video, this truly made my day.....

[@antdawgjr]

Here’s MY thing: I’m not paying $7.99 a month for one game. Yeah, they saved it from becoming an infinite runner like the other Mobile Sonic games, but man…

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

I am upset we are finally getting an fully open 3d sonic game without stupid 2D sections but its gonna limited to IOS. I am so fed up with 2D sections in modern games. also I don't see why they can't make classic 3d since they had a bit of that in superstars. But oh well.

[@Haidar.A-t1w]

Don't forget sonic jam

[@dandyspacedandy]

you make some fair points, however i follow the personal creed of "fuck apple" in all seriousness i'd prefer not to feed into any kind of game subscription service, and so I have no plans on playing dream team outside of the improbable event its no longer an exclusive and I can just properly own it on pc. i really just cant see myself consuming games the same way i do shows on streaming services, i want to be able to revisit games i love. if i wanna reexperience a show, i usually just look up clips and thats more than enough for me. games though? best you can get is watching other people experience the gameplay, i _need_ to be hands on whenever i wanna revisit a game, and i'm abso-fucking-lutely not going to contribute to a system that would create a library split between services. yes that already exists with exclusive games being on different consoles, but those _aren't_ subscriptions. you can just pay once to own those consoles and then once for each game and thats it. i can live with that, but i hate playing with subscription services lol

[@LobotomyTC]

For real. Fuck Apple and their hardware for actual children.

[@fernandodavid9495]

the sonic colors gameplay looks really good

[@mythosinfinite6736]

I'm just upset that it's localized on a service that's just plain not suitable for most gaming setups, since Apple isn't known for gaming and a majority touch-based control scheme (presumably, I could be wrong there) are things that I think will detrimentally hurt the game. That being said, since it's a SEGA Hardlight game being sponsored by Apple, I understand why it's there. I'm just frustrated that such an amazing looking game is tucked away in such an inconvenient corner. It's like getting my dream Sonic game, but it's exclusive to the Stadia. It's a curl of the Monkey's Paw.

[@charmyzard]

Whatever happens to Dream Team, hopefully SEGA writes down the right design lessons from this field of experiments.

[@MastaGambit]

Please stop expecting Sega to learn anything positive from literally anything.

[@Zejgar]

I am very confused by the reaction. Mobile games have a reputation of being bad, and in an off-chance when a good mobile game emerges, people get mad? Am I getting this right? What's mobile gaming supposed to do?

[@Pariah6950]

I think we're all hoping it just dies lol.

[@Zejgar]

I hope it gets filled with more Sonic Dream Teams myself, so that it resembles portable gaming again, like it did pre-iphone.

[@lordx8844]

Screw this, time to put it on pc

[@beanprotein]

As an Apple Arcade subscriber basically since it’s conception, some games that are exclusive do eventually get ported to other platforms (LEGO Brawls), but others that Apple have an active role in creating (Sneaky Sasquatch) stay for good. I’m assuming that Sonic Dream Team will stay on Apple Arcade.

[@andiekatamari]

Mac emulation isn't really good or even that public yet, and while you could hypothetically setup a virtual machine with MacOS installed, but that would certainly be an unplayable experience. The only viable option is Hackintosh, which is setting up a PC with MacOS. Noteworthy to mention it's basically like downloading pirated software so tutorials will be shady, likely poor quality

[@andiekatamari]

It's worth noting that Apple Arcade games can be archived by users through a sort of maybe unintended method and modified to run after leaving the official service. The exclusive Chuchu Rocket game was archived and can still be played offline on Mac through this method. I don't know a ton about it though

[@link6616]

I’m looking forward to your world of demons video. Although a heads up, it’s a salvaged micro transaction hell game. And while there’s no money to spend all the endless bar filling and element swapping to make you build up more characters to burn more resources stuff is there and gets in the way of the ok platinum game.

[@ABlob]

"If there was a cool looking new Sonic game exclusively to the Switch, you know that *for some reason* people would be a lot less upset by that even thought it's mostly the same thing" I think the reason being is that Nintendo is the main platform most people play Sonic games on, not Apple. And also, like other people have said, this game will become lost media when it's delisted, or at least extremely hard to get ahold of. SEGA had already delisted Chu Chu Rocket Universe from the Apple Arcade platform, so what's stopping this game from getting delisted in like 5 years? Also, yes, I'm pissed about Chu Chu Rocket Universe.

[@banjo3029]

The milking begins... Pariah subs, be ready for the flood of content.

[@ani311]

Not gonna lie, I'd buy an apple TV as they're like 60 or 70 dollars, I just don't want to get a subscription service on top of that.

[@rodrigonogueira9375]

For those who do not have a apple device, you can install macOs on your pc. While most pcs run on windows, apple laptops run on macOs so, although it takes a bit to setup, you can essentially install that operating system in any non apple device and play apple arcade from there. And no, this does not replace your previous operating system, you dont lose windows, instead you get asked which operating system to boot when turning on the pc.

[@miimiiandco]

Would a Virtual Machine work for this?

[@LobotomyTC]

I would never install a shitty children's operating system just to run a game that might be okay at best.

[@greatdevourskeleton7685]

we finally see pariah play sonic colors

[@charmyzard]

As callused as it may seem of me, there is a MASSIVE positive to all of this: If SEGA considers this a throwaway Sonic game, how big and interesting may the next mainline game be?

[@WSBM14]

Mania was considered a throwaway game and look how forces turned out

[@kilometersperminute4113]

This is backed by Apple. They probably gave hardlight the opportunity since the Sonic mobile games are doing well.

[@UltimateTS64]

I'm just gonna play it on my gf's IPhone, she has the newest one, so I'ma just get Apple Arcade for a minute, and play it there.

[@castform7]

I was mad at first until I realised that console exclusives are a regular practice (I mean, you don't see anyone mad you can't play the new Mario game on the PS5). I really do think phones have just gotten this stigma of being the lowest common denominator for gaming for the longest time, and this is coming from someone who doesn't really play mobile games and jokes about microtransaction hell. I didn't know Apple Arcade was a place where actual video games could be played. So yeah, I guess I retract my statement of "I hope this game is bad" from the previous video.

[@schroomers6650]

The idea that exclusivety is not anti consumer is silly, it's always been anti consumer, we just got used to it. When an exclusive comes out like a new Nintendo game, even though you might have a PC that's technically powerful enough to play the game you're forced to buy Nintendo's hardware,. And you might only be interested in one Nintendo game meaning that console will only ever be used for that one game. Also exclusives force you to operate within the console developers environment, meaning that if they want you to pay for online multiplayer or some other basic feature, you don't have another choice, there are no competitors for that. What makes it anti consumer is that it forces you to make multiple purshases that you might have not done if it was available on the hardware you already have.

[@LobotomyTC]

Oh I am most certainly not forced to buy Nintendo's hardware, and I will happily pirate their games.

[@ri-engameplay6915]

I think it should be possible to play dream team on pc through VirtualBox.

[@fl0837]

all in all, it looks like a cool and weird game ! just hoping the actual quality of the game stands as much as the visuals

[@GuilitoDoinks]

This game better be good since it's an exclusive to a subscription service. I just hope this game doesn't just vanish from space and time like Sonic Runners

[@graymars1097]

absolutely true. look at the results! this game did actually put the apple arcade on the map!

[@LobotomyTC]

Which is a fucking BAD thing, because Apple Arcade is a bad service.

[@KidAL0]

Yeah the consensus is that Dream Team looks cool. In fact it looks so cool that many have commented it resembles what they’ve wanted out of the mainline games for a while. I think that’s the biggest point of discussion in this case, that it took Apple and Hardlight to implement what feels like the most obvious format for Sonic in the modern age. It doesn’t help that there’ve already been plenty arguments over whether the current Sonic Team really is the best to pilot the series. I don’t have too big a horse in that race because I don’t think we have enough info on their structure to really speak on it like that, but the fact I haven’t actually purchased an original Sonic Team game in like a decade should speak for itself. I do look at Frontiers and then this announcement and wonder what cognitive dissonance is going on for the big console title to rehash level design/aesthetics again and implement a half-baked combat system, and the mobile game to look like a straightforward experience with fun worlds to explore and multiple characters from the get-go. It only makes me regret having used my free apple subscription trial earlier in the year tbh

[@asdfdc1946]

its a scummy thing to do when Sonic fans have been starved for good Sonic games for 35 years & your mainline 3D Sonic entries have ranged from mid to trash with only a handful of decent ones & then you finally make one that looks good & you make it exclusive to Apple devices, something that almost NOBODY plays real games on (ie: not phone games) & then ON TOP of that, you have to subscribe to an ongoing subscription service like Apple Arcade in order to play it. so you can't even own it outright. another thing that core gamers hate. having to subscribe to play games & not having the option of being able to own your purchases. so Sega did a 2-in-1. its like they're trying to piss off their fanbase. stupid business decisions like these are why Sega got pushed out of the hardware business.

[@AYTM1200]

My man didn't listen to anything in this video.

[@kilometersperminute4113]

You clearly did not watch the video.

[@asdfdc1946]

@@kilometersperminute4113 "You clearly did not watch the video." --- watched it. he said its not a scummy business move & i'm saying, while it may not be a scummy business move, its still scummy to the consumer because your customers are expecting one thing & then you intentionally put barriers between them & getting the products they've wanted & asked for from you for years. imagine fans asking for an adventure style 3D game, you don't give it to them for decades, then you give them something that looks like that & wall it off behind a subscription service on a device they don't have. thats scummy & sonic fans need to stop making excuses for Sega's dumb business decisions. business decisions like these are why Sega ended up getting pushed out of the hardware market & almost went out of business completely.

[@asdfdc1946]

​@@AYTM1200 "My man didn't listrn to anything in this video." --- I listened. still doesn't mean I have to agree with what was said in the video. he said its not a scummy business move & i'm saying, while it may not be a scummy business move, its still scummy to the consumer because your customers are expecting one thing & then you intentionally put barriers between them & getting the products they've wanted & asked for from you for years. imagine fans asking for an adventure style 3D game, you don't give it to them for decades, then you give them something that looks like that & wall it off behind a subscription service on a device they don't have. thats scummy & sonic fans need to stop making excuses for Sega's dumb business decisions. business decisions like these are why Sega ended up getting pushed out of the hardware market & almost went out of business completely.

[@KaleSTUDIOS]

@@asdfdc1946”business decisions made in 2023 are why Sega went out of the hardware business in the 2000’s” SEGA never even used anything like subscription services in the 90’s and early 2000’s. The Sega bad Brain rot has seriously been taking over Sonic fans.

[@productionsinparadise2880]

Yeah, except nintendo has a legendary backlog of games, while services like Apple arcade only have like two or three good games total. Makes it not worth the money for the subscription and, oh yeah, YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME, as soon as that service goes under the game is gone forever (as is true with every subscription). If you don't own a game, then it's not completely worth it.

[@JP_Soup]

To be honest, I thought Sonic Dream Team was developed by Sonic Team, but finding out about Sega Hardlight developed Sonic Dream Team shows that not all Sonic games are made by the same development team. Interesting.

[@sonicwithglasses131]

ALLL mobile sonic game is made by sega hardlight

[@Zejgar]

@@sonicwithglasses131Except for Runners

[@BLUESTREAK91]

​@@sonicwithglasses131Sonic Runners was developed by Sonic Team

[@Terminal_Apotos]

They’ve done this since the 90s

[@sonicwithglasses131]

@@Zejgar forgot about it, mb

[@KevaunEverything]

Great Video! Just Subbed!

[@DannyBenS94]

I think the thing I'm most frustrated about is the fact that it looks really good (judging from the few seconds we got of gameplay) and it's Apple Arcade exclusive. It's also frustrating that they're doing things we've been asking for for years now; multiple playable characters in a 3D Sonic Platformer, which of course hasn't happened since Sonic 06. Yes I know Shadow was playable in Forces and so was a customizable character, but we all know that situation and it sucked. And yes I know you can play as Amy, Knuckles and Tails in Frontiers, but that was after the last big update came out and it's only one world for them (don't get me wrong, I'm glad we got something with that). Whenever Sonic Racing or whatever it was called was shown to be Apple Arcade exclusive, no one really cared cause it looked like just another mobile Sonic Racing game like the last two. Personally I got more upset that the two Frogger games on there are exclusive to AA, since Konami seems to think that's all Frogger is good for these days. But Sonic Dream Team looks like it's giving us what we've been wanting for a long time, but sticking it on something almost none of us want to play it on. And yes, this could've been funded by Apple, but unless Apple came up with the idea for the game, it's frustrating that THIS is the time SEGA decides to have a game like this made. Not on console and/or PC, where many wanted something like this, but a mobile subscription service. If we had gotten something like this in more recent years, like just last year or something, we'd still want this game on consoles and PC, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is now. Hopefully it'll come to console and PC sometime.

[@skystar59-isnt-that-cool]

one thing that is important to note that this is the first "console" exclusive sonic game in while in addition to the fact its on apple arcade which makes it a bit harder to access.

[@Pariah6950]

It's not that long ago if you count Mario & Sonic at the Olympics.

[@Yuti640]

Remember how Sonic Runners is now just… gone? yeahhh

[@Pariah6950]

Look up Sonic Runners Revival. The community are heroes.

[@Yuti640]

oh my god, that’s amazing!!!

[@legoboy7107]

@@Pariah6950 I wonder if that would have ever even happened if Sega had used a later version of Unity with better obfuscation or something, I saw something somewhere that the reason Revival was even possible as easily relatively-speaking as it was was that thankfully they didn't have good obfuscation, which was such a good boon that could have so easily just never been a thing.

[@themissingbits6375]

These descriptions are funny.

[@SaddieMoon]

Knowing Sonic Racing and its Classic Sonic and Green Hill content are still exclusive to Apple Arcade, I don’t think this is a timed exclusivity deal.

[@chickensandwich9977]

Well now I feel dumb I didn't really realize you were actually joking that entire video XD

[@alexandrpeterberg390]

I think what may be considered an anti-consumer practice or at least something that gets its players angry is if a very good game ends up being stuck on a very shitty platform. And while Apple Arcade is not bad it is a subscription service where you don't own anything. There is also a possibility that Sonic Dream Team may end up being stuck on Apple Arcade for good meaning there is also a possibility it will be lost to time which is also pretty shitty. Also, when will you make the revised version of the whole Sonic cannon? I know it's a hideous truth that takes away all the fun but I also think that people who didn't happen to catch that video (that you removed) deserved to know. Or do you think it is better if people don't know what SEGA and Sonic Team do to Sonic "canon"?

[@megasoniczxx]

Only thing i'm kind of sad about is the potential for this being really REALLY good and then eventually being delisted once it's run its course. Even if I can't play it, it'd be a real shame to lose this game to history and then just not be able to play it again. I do really wish it was a console release though since while I didn't dislike Frontiers, i'd be lying if I said this wasn't more up my alley.

[@moister3727]

Well, whatever I'll just watch your videos then. I'm not holding my breath for new Sonic game anymore if it's too out of reach. Besides, this game scope probably isn't going to be that big anyways and it would serve as a stepping stone to make cohesive 3D Sonic games for once, with a minor budget compared to the big console releases. Thanks Apple.

[@supercamborg4218]

This! Everything you’ve said!

[@liamsz]

Bro really gotta get that bag for the Apple TV

[@Jaymez2012]

Your point about video game boycotts and "speaking with your wallet" is one of the most based takes I've heard about the subject of consumerism in this day and age. At the end of the day, it comes down to how much discipline you have in your own values. If you actually believe in "speaking with your wallet" then you should know it goes BOTH WAYS, not just when its most convenient for you. This is why I still haven't bought Jedi Survivor or a Switch to play Bayo 3, or why I will patiently wait for the port of Spider-Man 2 in the next few years etc., etc. If Jedi Survivor actually released technically complete, I would've bought it, without question. If Bayo 3 got a port to my preferred platform, I would've bought it, without question and those are products I DO want to buy, but I refuse to fill the greedy pockets of corporations in that way any longer. The fact of the matter is that most people don't actually believe in holding values like that once it becomes inconvenient for them, which is why greedy corps continue to get away with being greedy. So all we can do is complain and attempt to stay steadfast in the values we actually believe in, and hope that the commitment we display in those values inspires other people to do the same.

[@joshswenson2576]

I would never stoop so low as to buy one, but I just happened to start a new job 2 weeks ago that gave me an iPhone for work. 😅 Also, I love the interactive popcorn in Sonic Colors.

[@ViIvaNunner]

i care that much about chuchu rocket universe i stan chuchu rocket

[@jothamsalifu9053]

*reads description* Uh huh. Suuuuureee I totally believe you LMAO Looking forward to the Colors vid 👍

[@productionsinparadise2880]

Rayman mini is cool and all, but it's literally just a condensed version of Legends. At that point just buy a copy of legends. There is literally nothing new about mini (but it is fun because of that origins/legends style gameplay).

[@jed4276]

Apple is very hard to get by when it comes to apps and decompiling them and recompiling them for other devices but if some one is willing to do it for people who dont want to pay the subscription/ android users then go ahead some one might do it before u.

[@aPonderousChain]

I just wish it'd get a physical release, even if I have to pay a little extra for the apple tax

[@souptaels]

I hope someone can rip the files so, if the game does get delisted, it can be already preserved

[@TripleJump]

8:12 I love Sonic Colours, but that's so cheap. That absolutely shouldn't have killed you there, you did everything right.

[@AlexRodriguez-wq8nb]

You're literally not supposed to stomp above a rail like that🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sonictheiceinghedgehog]

This sounds like sonic runners

[@eevee5jdm483]

4:00 current day phones are performance wise closer to the Xbox one/ps4 than the ps3 because currently mid tier to higher end android phones are capable to emulate switch, wii, ps2 and much more

[@nightlydata2181]

U're completely right & I totally agree wit u... still sucks tho. Excited for ur Colors vid for personal reasons lol

[@fat-gotenks]

Did you see the marketing email that said that the game is inspired by skate parks? I feel like no one has mentioned that.

[@igirjei3717]

That sounds like a good evolution of sonic. 2D sonic inspired by pinball, 3D sonic inspired by skateparks, it just makes sense

[@halkon4412]

Apple Arcade is such a weird thing. It’s great that the games don’t have micro transactions, but they still have the stigma of “mobile game”, so core gamers aren’t interested in the service for the most part. At the same time, mobile gamers are addicted to predatory progression systems and probably won’t respond well to this type of one-and-done, single-player game with no social elements. Every game also has to support three different platforms (iOS, macOS, and tvOS), which seems like a development nightmare. I have to wonder how successful such a service is. Good on Apple for sticking with it though.

[@superflameking03]

It's not fair. Back in the day I had to go without Sonic Generations and with a worse version of Unleashed, but whenever it's my turn to get something that's when the fans start crying and calling Sega stupid and that's when things are actually "unfair"

[@koolcu1l]

Last vid had me dead bro 💀 😂

[@buckovin]

I disagree with the fact that this is anti consumer. The difference between having lets say for example; Sonic Rush on the Nintendo DS exclusively and Sonic Dream Team on Apple products is that Apple products are all insanely overly expensive pieces of hardware especially considering what their competitors offer which is more for less or the same price. While in comparison to a game that is excusive to a Nintendo console, Nintendo consoles are genuinely affordable by most people.

[@Easmodx]

The point at 8:00 is key here. If you don't mind the game being essentially temporary, it's just a matter of buying an Apple device. But I DO worry about preservation.

[@ChevyStrafty]

I'm trying to save up money for Superstars so, I'm out for this one.

[@yeetthefeet2504]

"Then by that logic, Nintendo is scummy for locking their amazing games behind Nintendo consoles." Yes, unironically. Capitalism is anti-consumerist. As a pro-art person, I think the idea of locking art behind something as arbitrary as a subscription service, or slightly different console is disgusting.

[@ContextuallyDeContextualized]

Disgusting? that's a really dumb exaggeration

[@yeetthefeet2504]

@@ContextuallyDeContextualized I disagree. Corporatism is exploitative, and fundamentally anti-consumer. Corporations commit to disgusting labor and business practices constantly, and this segmentation of Art is only the tip of the iceberg.

[@jaredsmith1337]

Paid subscription is another example of the world economic forum's " you will own nothing an be happy " eat ze bugs 😂

[@BasementDweller_]

What bothers me is that it’s a type of Sonic game I’ve wanted for years but it’s on a mobile device.

[@austenturbyne]

I’m happy this game exists, I just would like the option to buy it outright without subscribing to Apple Arcade

[@cb2327]

The more think about it, the more this deal makes a lot more sense on SEGA’s end. Apple Arcade has a ton of subscribers. So, skipping out of that gold mine is pretty dumb.

[@RueLangston]

The thing that people are upset about is probably the fact that most people don't have an apple device and aren't gonna buy an extra device on top of a subscription service for a single game. Imagine having a home console and a tv just to have to buy an apple TV and apple arcade for one Sonic game!

[@heroicgangster9981]

I did not know what Apple Arcade has licenses that run out???? WHAT?! Wow that really really sucks

[@tivvy2vs21]

There is an very WIP iOS emu, but it can only play super monkey ball

[@Terminal_Apotos]

It IS Anti-Consumer locking it behind a Specific Platform, behind a Specific Streaming Service. You will never own this game, as soon as you stop paying POOF access revoked.

[@Pariah6950]

Is it locking it behind a platform and subscription if those are the things that enabled it to even be made in the first place? Because if the lock didn't exist, neither would the game.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@Pariah6950 I would rather the game not exist than have SEGA start enacting these anti-consumer practices and see Sonic Fans defending it. It shows them it's totally fine to screw over the consumer because they'll bend over and take it.

[@Pariah6950]

@@Terminal_Apotos Start? Bro, Sega's been making exclusive Sonic games for different platforms for decades. Where's the outrage over Sonic Pocket Adventure, or Rivals, or the Storybook Games? I mean, you want to talk anti-consumer, get this. Back in the day, Sega made their own consoles. You had to buy their machines to play their games. How outrageous!

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@Pariah6950 They were exclusive to those platforms but you ACTUALLY OWNED the game, after a one time payment you were free to do whatever you wanted with it. With Sonic Dream Team, you can only play it on your iCloud Account, as long as you $7 a month for the rest of your life, unless you stop paying and POOF, access revoked. Not to mention IOS is extremely difficult to emulate. What if Sony were to strike some deal with SEGA where the next mainline Sonic Game was exclusive to PlayStation Plus with no way of outright buying it, would you still be fine with that?

[@alanbareiro6806]

​​@@Pariah6950 To be fair, those games didn't require you to pay a subscription every month. You just bought the game and you could play until the console eventually breaks down. It's not quite the same here.

[@aortaplatinum]

I'm definitely waiting for reviews and more gameplay, but now that it's been a few days... a used Apple TV set top box isn't that expensive. And there's also Sonic Racing and that PlatinumGames game on Apple Arcade and ESPECIALLY Fantasian [because God I adore the Sakaguchi Final Fantasy games and Lost Odyssey] so I'm sure I could find other cool games on there to make the subscription worth it. Also I'm gonna go full zoomer here and say there IS a very small handful of really good free mobile games. The games by Mediocre for example, Pinout and Smash Hit, are REALLY good and buck pretty much every mobile game cliche, the worst it gets is an ad when you die, but since they're fully skill based- essentially endless pinball and an endless forward scrolling 3D shooter [both with incredible atmosphere and dark synth music] it can take upwards of 10-20 minutes to game over so it's super rad

[@chandelight59]

Nope, there is no way they will remove it forever, This is the highest costing Sonic Mobil game. EVER!

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Im still annoyed because i don't want to get an apple device to play a singular game when the vast majority of games i'd ever want to play aren't exclusive to each kind of phone or whatever, cuz man i could just buy it for however much on my samsung for however much money and just... have the damn game

[@RoseSupreme]

Jesus, I heard this exact same voice from several other KZbinrs. I swear, it's a stereotype at this point.

[@julianx2rl]

Honestly, as cool as the artstyle of the game looks, this is probably just going to be a Super Mario 3D Land Lite, but with Sonic. And is a game like that really worth throwing a tantrum for?

[@jonahabenhaim1223]

Theirs probably more to the gameplay than we realize

[@JAI_SHREE_RAM12337]

WAIT WAIT WAIT ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SOULSBORNE REVIEWS

[@Pariah6950]

Eventually, probably.

[@JAI_SHREE_RAM12337]

@@Pariah6950 yahooooooooooo

[@YoutubeTrashMan]

Sonic Dream Team is.... LOST MEDIA?????

[@LobotomyTC]

Day One Lost Media.

[@rubyknights5885]

2:21 to be fair there are people who do genuinely think that

[@bigdro5227]

I just want the game without having to buy into hardware and subscriptions that I will ONLY use for the one game. SEGA better fix this shit ASAP. You cant talk big shit about wanting to compete with Mario and then do some braindead shit like this. It better be a timed exclusive and come to Switch bare minimum or they're never gonna live this down