Sonic Origins Plus is Still Not Great

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I know I usually avoid annoying y'all with begging for money. But that has a pretty harmful effect for me. Nobody even knows it exists. Having those things buried means people that may want to support me won't even know it's an option. So I thought it would be acceptable to mention it briefly here. I didn't want to do an update video about it because no one would watch it lol. Don't worry, this won't be a regular thing. Maybe just a quick mention at the end of videos, just to let people know. Hope it's not too bothersome.
The worst part of this whole Origins deal is I would love to see a fantastic collection of these games. But this isn't it. And now, who knows how long it's going to be until they take another crack at making a proper collection. We're gonna be stuck with this for a good long while. At least, those who don't have PCs. ;)

[@Pariah6950]

Apparently there are now 3 jump buttons. So that's nice. Doesn't change my overall verdict on the game. But it's something.

[@speedyracialslur]

ok I'm first

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Well that's nice, I guess it's a point in its favour, even if small

[@luigifaniac1312]

Ok just to check, you are aware that there have been updates to origins before plus, right? And what blurriness issue? (Also when has the time travel cutscene ever been skippable?)

[@ThaiMario]

Actually Sonic 3 did fixed some stuff like: -falling rocks in Marble Garden Act 1 have been fixed -The Collapse camera have been fixed in Marble Garden Act 2 -Carnival Night Act 1 have 4 hits like original And that's all they did for Origins on Sonic 3 & Knuckles

[@luigifaniac1312]

@@ThaiMario those were issues?

[@HeckDancer]

It's so weird that after 20 years Mega Collection Plus is still the best Sonic collection.

[@IdentifiantE.S]

Its a classic !

[@lynxfresh5214]

The intro ost alone beats most collections tbh.

[@urlhnd]

Arguably Sonic Jam is on-par with it.

[@whybother5741]

Imagine a mix of Mega Collection and Jam

[@spritvio639]

It's time to fork over hundreds of dollars. Oh wait, never mind actually. The Mega Collection is still surprisingly cheap, in some cases cheaper than Origins.

[@spritvio639]

Classic Sega. One step forward and a variety of steps backward.

[@unknownwill4th549]

Sonic Fans asking for an Unleashed remaster after Colors Ultimate/Origins is just shooting themselves in the foot

[@spritvio639]

Console players definitely are. With how much love Unleashed gets, I'm sure the community will fix the game on PC through mods.

[@lpfan4491]

Me when wanting Unwiished, another Wii Boostgame ported: Though honestly, I love the game enough to where I'd just bite the bullet, as long as they port the Wii version(Not the worse PS2 one) and make classic controller-layout the standard one and not the attrocious GC-buttonlayout.

[@3godzilla3]

​@@spritvio639There's only so much you can fix though. It's not like the modders "fixed" Colors Ultimate, or Origins. You'd have to make an entirely different game. I just want a direct PC port of Unleashed and not a remaster. But I know that'll never happen

[@3godzilla3]

​@@lpfan4491Playing Unwiished on Dolphin upscaled is literally Unwiished remastered. Just gotta have a decent PC, haha

[@inendlesspain4724]

@@spritvio639 Don't let Colors fanboys hear you, they'll bore you to death telling you how much better Colors was and how much good it did for the series. While still nobody wants to fix Ultimate over two years later.

[@wusstunes]

I feel like Tails and Knuckles are both such essential Sonic characters in the way that they expand the nature of the game and its traversal with their abilities. They fundamentally change how you spacially interact with the level design, and in many ways Advance Amy does this as well. She's in some ways restricting you and forcing you to contend with the level design at a more close-up proximity, and her very idioyncratic playstyle still yields benefits as well. Her "powers" being built around the ability to use a tool is so cool and she is basically an android.

[@crimsonzone8984]

Would be cool if amy mounts enemies and use her hammer like a riding crop to go fast, instead of actually being fast. Then she gets launched up in the air when she crashes.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

The srb2 Amy is good too

[@veronicabermudez4802]

To be fair. Advance Amy works so well because the levels were intended for everyone in said game, and in the classics Tails and Knuckles (knuckles having his own routes to compensate for his jump height) so it's kinda understandable.

[@veronicabermudez4802]

But they were super lazy with Amy too

[@mooganify]

How do you expect any of that to fit into a game that she was never designed to be in?

[@sido5378]

This should have been a free update

[@gengargamer5657]

You really think any game company would give 12 games and two characters for free?

[@yadienbegode2778]

​​@@gengargamer5657Those 12 games were made 30 years ago and were slapped onto an emulator. The Amy thing, I understand, but Knuckles was literally copy and pasted onto CD, along with a few level design changes that can take a few days to make💀 Please stop trying to make it look like they did years worth of work

[@yadienbegode2778]

In my opinion, it should have been a free update for specifically Deluxe owners, since they paid more money.

[@gengargamer5657]

@@yadienbegode2778 It’s still 12 games and two characters. No matter what, that was not going to be free

[@yadienbegode2778]

@@gengargamer5657 The fact that they made the price of Base Origins + Origins Plus $40 (the original price of Base Origins) says otherwise. Even then, I get what you mean, but that doesn't make it okay to scam Deluxe owners and not even give them so much as a discount. It was uncalled for and very scummy. You'd think that would be beneath a company like that.

[@totempoleman7810]

This is just speculation, but when it comes to muffled music in S3&K, I bet Jun Senoue or Sega executive just refused to do anything to the music. Headcannon most likely would have suggest of using cleaner music tracks from emulated source and early pre-Michael Jackson tracks from S3 November 3rd, 1993 prototype, but he was protably ignored at that point. Some things might have been out of Stealth's reach.

[@wasquash]

again thank god tee lopes is overseeing superstars. jun CANNOT touch the genesis without supervision

[@simonplatt5108]

I’m so glad I didn’t pay for this game. I’m just gonna stick with S1 Forever, S2 Absolute and S3 AIR AKA the definitive versions

[@triledink]

The thing I dislike the most is in the physical copy the dlc is a download code which defeats the purpouse of having an all physical copy of the game. Sonic mania plus had it all in the cart or disc, while sonic origin plus its not even complete on the cart or disc which devalues the game physically since its not complete.

[@nextorm926]

Yeah honestly, that confused the absolute hell out of me, I deadass thought I was scammed 💀

[@Mingodough]

Not really. Sonic mania plus you still had to download an update if it’s your first time having the game. So it’s not all in the cart

[@triledink]

@@Mingodough downloading an automatic update for mania compared to sonic origins dlc code which requires an account is not the same thing.

[@jrt2792]

​@@Mingodoughin other words, the game is automatically devalued simply because it requires an update. Remember the days when video games didn't do all of this BS??

[@DLxxx]

​@@jrt2792Ypu mean when games were feature complete on release? Yeah, those were days. It's incredible how industry practices have only been taking more and more steps backward over the years.

[@TheGerkuman]

The really weird thing about Amy's implementation is that despite how half baked most of her mechanics are, the one bonus she has makes her OP against Robotnik. Whenever Robotnik moves to the top of the screen to make the fights last longer, not even insta-shield Sonic can hit him. But Amy can! So she's both worse and too good at the same time!

[@Jdudec367]

Aka a good alternative then.

[@lpfan4491]

So basically, she is the reincarnation of Sonic Genesis GBA.

[@TheGerkuman]

@@Jdudec367 the issue is that, as Pariah said, if you've played the first Sonic Advance game and dug what they did with Amy there, this feels like a step backwards.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

As with most things modern Sega does, anything interesting or cool is completely unintentional.

[@Raddish-IS-Radd]

​@@LeafRazorStormthat's (unfortunately) kinda true

[@Snatcher42]

What's going on with the Game Gear audio is they seem to be oscillating the left and right panning to create a fake stereo effect. If you set your system to output mono audio, it sounds mostly normal. So it's not 'bad' emulation, it's a weird/poor decision. Like some exec saying "make sure everything's in stereo!" At least there's a workaround on most systems.

[@lpfan4491]

Yeah, that's sure a thing. I will never understand why the industry does not understand that outputting something that does not exist is not going to be quality. They have to actually somehow patch stereo into the game for it to sound any good.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

I’m reminded of those “children’s animation” KZbin channels that put an obnoxious watery filter on the audio that tries(?) to replicate 5.1 surround sound.

[@RamuneRabbit]

But...the Game Gear was already in stereo (especially compared to the Mono Master System). Why fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place? O.o

[@windy3935]

How does it sound on mono compared to SA:DX and original Game Gear (for those that still have one)?

[@DollarinoJones]

Instead of a Monkey’s Paw, it might be more appropriate to say when it comes to the Fan’s wishes, the Sonic series has a bit of a Hedgehog’s Dilemma.

[@aortaplatinum]

That's actually really accurate. As a newcomer to the series, it's all shiny and cool and stylized and fast, but the more familiar you get with it, the more you learn about SEGA, the easier it is to be burned by the series flirting with mediocrity

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@aortaplatinumA Cruel Company's Thesis

[@digimonlover1632]

@@aortaplatinumEh it doesn’t really flirt with mediocrity that often, but hey, it’s cool to be cynical about Sonic so…

[@aortaplatinum]

@@digimonlover1632 The movies, the comics after the shark-jumping of the Metal Virus arc, Origins, and Prime are all super middle-of-the-road. Seeing the awful opening animation to Sonic Superstars and knowing the game itself is being made by the same Arzest retards who did Hey Pikmin and Balan Wonderworld also doesn't give me confidence...

[@artey6671]

Sonic Origins Minus is looking good for sure.

[@Laekith]

The "Amy in Sonic 1/2/3" ROMhacks use her Advance 1 moveset and it works perfectly, I really don't understand why they couldn't do it here

[@gengargamer5657]

Because that Moveset sucks.

[@Laekith]

@@gengargamer5657 why?

[@gengargamer5657]

@@Laekith She can’t jump into enemies or spin dash and her hammer isn’t that long. Not to mention, she can’t use her hammer vault while running like in SA1

[@crimsonzone8984]

Question: does Amy get a massive boost when she hammer jumps on a dash pad and get massive height when she hammer jumps on a spring?

[@gengargamer5657]

@@crimsonzone8984 No

[@gessekaii]

It's nice that Amy is finally added in the game, but I have to agree that her move set is disappointing. It's such a missed opportunity to let her have interesting platforming but that's just what the Sonic series is all about! These people just cannot seem to take potential when they see it. Overall, this collection is just /okay/ and it just exists. I didn't feel any excitement with the update.

[@Rupninjatrash]

im so tired that i looked at the thumbnail and thought that tails was holding a gun

[@Pegyson]

I still refuse to play this game. I had Hyper Sonic, I was in Lava Reef, I went to pick up a giant ring to get 50 rings, instead it sends me to the first ever special stage, I complete it and now the game thinks I have only one chaos emerald and can't turn super or hyper. Fuck this game

[@gengargamer5657]

Tf is wrong w/ your copy?

[@j19aiden91]

2:05 To answer that question: the peel out and insta shield can be accessed, but you need to know the cheat codes. If you ask me, the options menu should've ditch the cheat codes in favor of a component options/customization menu. But you know the story: it's Sega

[@Enthusiasm441]

I figured out how to do it with Sonic 3 but do you know if Sonic 1 and 2 has the peel out?

[@sungjin008]

Sigh... I doubt SEGA apologize properly to Stealth. hope he is okay.

[@DannyBenS94]

Well I almost completely regret getting the physical version of this game. I'm sure you already know this from online, but the discs and Switch cartridges only come with base Origins, not even updated and the "Plus" stuff has to be downloaded via a code. I already have base Origins digitally, but like basically everyone else who wanted to get the physical copy, we wanted ALL of the game, including the DLC in the disc or cartridge, like they did with Sonic Mania Plus. But instead we got unfinished base Origins where the value will go down for resale. I feel like I wasted my money cause I could've just bought the Plus DLC for $10 digitally and saved $30. The only thing I don't regret getting the physical copy for is the art book. It's pretty neat, but that's it. The ones who made the decisions for this game are pretty scummy.

[@MaxsLaffs]

Sonic Frontiers: New content, quality of life changes, and overall improvements to the gameplay = FREE Sonic Origins Plus: Knuckles in CD, playable Amy, and Game Gear games = $40 Make it make sense Sega.

[@gengargamer5657]

The DLC is $10 and that’s because it’s giving 12 games and two characters

[@Harrinsain]

I got an ad for Origins Plus on this video 💀

[@Butwhythough881]

It is a temptation brother, do not fall for the devil’s tricks!

[@Harrinsain]

@@Butwhythough881 Never. I'm not so easy, brother.

[@NatetheNintendofan]

​@@HarrinsainI bought origins twice once once at laugpch digital deluxe on switch preorder and plus and Sonic origins plus in PC I pirated the fan-made ones with the data. Desk I bought them so it would be koraly right bc I already gave them the money

[@suns3t_t0wn]

Okay, so uh, they didn't even NEED to develop a Master System Emulator The Genesis was alredy backwards compatible with the Master System (the only thing that stopped you from playing the master system games right out of the box was the Cartridge Slot), so they could've just... Used a Genesis Emulator.

[@RustyLeguito]

Yeah, Despite the fact that no Sonic game is exclusive to Master System (If we don't count the canceled Sonic Edusoft) it would be great if they had put the SMS ports, due to the small screen issue on GG.

[@suns3t_t0wn]

@@RustyLeguito Not only that, apparently Sonic Chaos color palette looks off in the GG version because the game was developed with the Master System color palette in mind.

[@RustyLeguito]

@@suns3t_t0wn Oh

[@enclosedgranddad1715]

But Sonic Origins Plus has the best Sonic game, Sonic Blast!

[@LolManI-75]

Yet they can't be bothered to put in the next best Sonic game: 3D Blast

[@damonhallyburton6424]

You missed a few of Amy moves mate, the hammer run can help climb steep slopes, destroying spiked enemies without taking a hit (most of the time lol), I think using the hammer jump helps you land on ledges you might have missed with other characters, and also the Hyper Hammer Toss is cool as f**k!

[@yadienbegode2778]

Those are called feats, not moves

[@crimsonzone8984]

Yeah people just make these characters flat out strong to make them work or be fixed right away rather than having special gimmicks or quirks that stands out. That's how girls or anyone are handled in media these days.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

We really just waited a whole year for Amy, Knuckles in CD, and a bunch of mediocre Game Gear games, take a moment to think about that because all of that should’ve been in the base game from Day 1 No Spinball or Mean Bean Machine in 16 bit is disgraceful when Mega Collection had those many years ago and even 3D Blast which is still enjoyable in its own way.

[@mario_fam8]

And no Knuckles Chaotix

[@BrutallyDigital]

The fan projects Forever, Absolute, and A.I.R. Are leagues better, even if there are little pluses on Origin's behalf.

[@gengargamer5657]

Not really considering that you can only play them on PC and Mobile

[@igeljaeger]

The fact they didn't fix the blur annoys me the most. Thats the only thing I have to use mods for and installing the modloader on the steam deck / linux is just a pain in the ass.

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

My issue with Origins Plus is that Sonic The Fighters, Sonic 3D Blast, and Knuckles Chaotix, (yes I know it’s reputation & it’s missing source files, but still), are missing from this collection.

[@Aidel1011]

They also left out Sonic R. Even though that game is a no, that game should be fixed in a Sonic Origins Remaster to make that game more enjoyable and playable

[@KevaunEverything]

It isn't a 2d sonic game collection, it's Mainline 2D Sonic Games hence Sonic ORIGINS.

[@lpfan4491]

​@@KevaunEverythingDafuk? We have Game Gear Mean Bean in this with the DLC. 3D Blast and Chaotix are more mainline than that.

[@KevaunEverything]

@@lpfan4491 Its still isn't supposed to be a random "Greatest Hits" Collection, if they wanted to do that they would've just made a mega collection 2.........

[@lpfan4491]

@@KevaunEverything By that logic, they really *should* have implemented them instead of whatever random stuff they had in their GG-library. There is just no way to justify this, it's like saying "Yeah sure, they put Shuffle into the Adventure-collection which is odd, but you really shouldn't be shocked that Shadow the Hedgehog is missing, because that is not technically mainline."

[@BricksterMan]

This collection doesn't even have multiple save files. Like Sega are you kidding me? This is one of the most basic features. (İ know that Sonic cd and 3&k has multiple save files but they are built in the game but if you play Sonic 1 and 2 when you finish your game as Sonic if you want to play it again as Sonic you have to delete your file.)

[@numb4102]

At this point, they should've juet ported mega collection plus and add gems collection with it and call it a day, wouldve been leagues better than this crap

[@HighLifeProds17]

They would have had to modify Sonic 3's music regardless...

[@tripplejaz]

This should've been a free update. Full stop.

[@bluudevil4483]

​@@realalaamonashill

[@bluudevil4483]

​@@realalaamonafuck sega I paid 45 fucking dollars for this half baked garbage this isn't definitive! IT'S FUCKING BULL SHIT

[@seph_lol]

Also it’s been found out that the new models used for Amy and knuckles are taken from a Twitter artist without credit which is even more bizarre

[@charlieduffy5997]

They actually have rereleased the Master System versions on the Wii Virtual Console before so I don’t see why they couldn’t have just reused that emulator.

[@theraymunator]

I was so hopeful that they would fix the issues in the base game after they announced Headcannon would be returning to work on the DLC, shame it turned out like this. I still went ahead and bought the game anyways because I really wanted to be able to play Sonic 3 on my Switch. Guess I'm part of the problem, then.

[@andtrees3192]

The physics system can be altered, using the stage select screen at the title of whichever game, it includes the option to re enable the ground and air speed caps so for example the opening segment in marble garden zone would be fixed if you went to the stage select and changed those options, HOWEVER you cannot save your progress after you activate level select which is silly. i noticed after completing the checklist that sonic origins plus gives you to test out the new features, they give you extra tutorials on how to access the stage select. as a bonus, idk if it was in the og release of origins but in the stage select of sonic 1 you can enable 7 emeralds and go super

[@RyneMcKinney]

Honestly, if I were to make an origins collection, I would include the original genesis roms on top of the remasters. Base sonic 3, base sonic and knuckles, and blue sphere included. With the ability to change music and sound effects between base sonic 3 or sonic 3 and knuckles. Ray and Mighty should've been playable in every game too. For other games I would include 3D Blast, Knuckles Chaotix, Ristar, Flicky, and Segasonic the hedgehog. (MAYBE Sonic the fighters and Sonic R too) Even with origins plus out now, none of these came true. And they didn't even include the infinitely better master system versions of the game gear games.

[@dappleofthedualies]

ok, this is Origins in a perfect world, but even then, this is asking for too much.

[@mushroomdude123]

How? Mega Collection had almost all of these.

[@RyneMcKinney]

I know I'm asking for too much but I truly believe THIS is a true representation of his origins

[@DaPurpleWarrior]

Why Ristar? It's a sega game sure but don't put it in a sonic collection. You should add fighters and Sonic R too. And don't forget about CD.

[@RyneMcKinney]

@@DaPurpleWarrior Because Sonic was originally a rabbit with ears you could stretch. Ristar was based on that concept, and Sonic Team did indeed develop it. Though they're uncredited.

[@joewilliams-un8vu]

So glad they fixed the roll-lock, that was actually my biggest nitpick with Sonic Origins and now it is fixed so good job Sonic Team! Edit: My next biggest nitpick is that Sonic CD doesn’t play the audio files of the characters speaking, for example Sonic saying “Yeah!” After getting an extra life and Amy squealing when Metal Sonic kidnaps her. I presume Sega did this because apparently Classic Sonic doesn’t talk but of course he talks! He has always been able to talk, generations couldn’t get a voice actor for Classic Sonic so now Sega is getting rid of any slight bit of dialogue Classic Sonic had. You can’t rewrite history, Sega. Edit 2: I don’t really count not including the MJ songs as a nitpick because 1. It is too major to be considered a nitpick 2. It would be a really big legal battle just to get really good songs back that the average customer wouldn’t even notice the change

[@MaoRatto]

They can rewrite history if people can't play the old versions of Sega Genesis collection the ps3 and 360... Including the PC version.

[@MaoRatto]

The average consumer eould know Sonic 3's audio is messed up and also... The wrong music!

[@theamazingmeh1759]

I'm just gonna stick with the fan remakes and ports of the classics

[@raikohzx4323]

I think the Game Gear audio is attempting to produce a fake Stereo sound effect, but instead it sounds like some genuinely bad output. But man, it really angers me how poorly handled this collection still is and that they're asking $10.99 just for me to "complete it".

[@ActuallyTragic]

It baffles me that after so many years of sucking off Classic Sonic, Sonic Team would allow a shoddy collection like this, and given the opportunity to fix it all, they instead add paid DLC. And between the high points of Frontiers and Superstars coming later this year, this sticks out like the sorest thumb.

[@Jbelnap510]

They didn't add any new missions for Amy, they didn't give her any new level paths, her moveset is a cheap knock off of Sonic's. It's like Sega was announcing to the fanbase that they can be as lazy as they want and people will still buy their shit.

[@CosmicSponge2004]

The Game Gear Games also is in a 1:1 perfect Pixel Ratio but the Game Gear System itself has a 4:3 Stretch. With the GG Games being designed for that stretch. That's why Game Gear Sonic looks so thin. The only rerelease with the proper 4:3 stretch is Sonic Adventure DX Also, there was ONE Master System Release for Sonic 1, 2, & Chaos. That being the *Wii Virtual Console*

[@alucard2076]

The GG games is such a strange inclusion...would have made alot more sense to approach the team that remade sonic 1 & 2 sms and the guy that remade sonic 3d blast and include those. Akin to how they approached Stealth for the genesis remakes & mania.

[@graysongdl]

New, interesting ways to interact with the physics can only matter so much when the physics don't work. I'm genuinely baffled this is all we get for a DLC. I think every " in Sonic 1" hack I've ever played has had more thought put into it, even including the joke "Motobug in Sonic 1" where you can't even beat Marble Zone.

[@rainopaino]

Gotta wonder if Stealth was specifically told not to "tamper" with a lot of the games code and just leave it as a mess like it is. Just add Amy and call it a day

[@Hologramburrito]

i think stealth and c. whitehead only worked on sonic 3 & k sega did everything else

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

​@Emiliano-ld3zb also they probably had to work on sonic superstars right after this so they probably didn't get the time to even touch up the code

[@CosmicSponge2004]

@@TheAnimatedGamer Superstars is being developed by Arzest. None of the Origins staff works at Arzest

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

@@CosmicSponge2004 but the mania stuff does. Chris Whitehead even confirmed that superstars is fully translated to 3D assuming he has worked with them with his retro engine

[@mushroomdude123]

As soon as we knew that the Game Gear versions were being used over the Master System ones, I immediately lost interest. Sonic 2 MS is already a super difficult game, but the screen crunch of the GG version makes it borderline unplayable. I really don’t think they cared if they only released that version with no changes.

[@KamyKam]

Calling it another Sonic 06 is very overzealous and taking it a little bit too far.

[@PhirePhlame]

The "echo effect" on the GG games seems to be a fake stereo effect - run it thru a mono speaker and it'll sound absolutely fine. It's baffling because the Game Gear naturally has real stereo support! Seriously, I've played Sonic 2 on my real GG, and the sounds with echo effects (collecting rings, losing rings, breaking blocks...) actually pan the echo between the two speakers! And again, this is a real Game Gear I'm talking about!

[@saki_k.]

I still feel that the collection is not finished, I still want more games to be added (Knuckles and the Chaotix) and to be unique collection I think making Eggman and Metal Sonic playable and see the story from the villains prespective and that's just what I want on a surface level but yeah I hope there's more updates to the collection

[@Jackelbeaver]

You probably should have experimented with Amy more. She has alot of unique properties to her Amy Rush and even the Air Hammer that remind me of the ways they made Mighty feel unique when you play as him in Mania by giving him alot of unique stage interactions for his shell and stomp. In Sonic 1, 2, and CD (But not 3 for some reason) you can use her Amy Rush off of a platform and then change direction in midair as long as you don't collide with anything. this is extremely useful in stages like Wacky Workbench to do things that even Knuckles and Tails can't do while maintaining a solid pace, but she lacks some of the speed potential the Drop Dash gives Sonic. Amy Rush isn't effected by slopes in any game and can let you scale sheer slopes, but you have to release it to go through loops. It doesn't build speed like the drop dash does, but it does offer you a very solid level of control that lets Amy do things none of the other characters really can do. Her Hammer also has a few unique interactions like Mighty's Stomp did. It can break walls (as can Amy Rush) with the exception of a few of the Knuckles Route walls. This, combined with how her Amy Rush interacts on slopes, allows Amy to rip Marble Garden Zone apart and do things none of the other characters can do in that stage. Additionally, if she hits the Spinners in that stage with her Air Hammer, it instantly activates them, allowing Amy to maintain her speed in this stage in ways that allow her to pull ahead of any of the other characters if Super Forms aren't being used. Also, using Sonic 1 level select to turn off the spindash also disables Amy Rush for that game but NOT the Air Hammer. Turning on the Sega CD Spindash in CD doesn't effect her Amy Rush in that game, however. There's alot more to the character than what you can see in under 2 hours. (Also, there's a Sound Test code for Sonic 3 to turn on Sonic's Peel Out)

[@Laekith]

Yeah I feel like her moveset isn't completely horrible, but Knuckles can change directions in midair just as easily. If they really wanted to stick with this moveset they should've just used the Superstars version.

[@Jackelbeaver]

@@Laekith she changes direction in midair faster. He has to lean in which can make it hard to hit certain targets. Amy gets an instant momentum shift. Superstars moveset is just a double jump and also the hammer comes out on the way up automatically amy rush seems like it still works the same between the two game, which is the main component of what makes her movement interesting and unique compared to sonic, it breaks rules and has its own tricks. (I made sonic cd episode metal, from sonic hacking contest 2022, i think mine was the first hack that gave amy moves that werent from advance, so i might have a different perspective on giving amy a double jump, i guess.)

[@SEGAsonicstuff]

I don't hear a lot of people talk about this. But am I the only one who thinks Amy's sprite just looks off? Especially in Sonic 3K.

[@DoctorTex]

Origins Plus is the epitome of the phrase "I expected nothing, and I'm still let down."

[@DeutscherDE-GB]

The only thing they really fixed in S3&K is the launch base transition Which I mean while that’s good The physics, music and the most annoying bug in my opinion, the hidden palace soft lock Are still there and is just sad… it’s been a year since the original release

[@littleakibagames]

On the Game Gear matter: It's actually worse than that. Master System and Game Gear are architecturally the same system (and share a lot of emulators as a result). Not only would the Master System versions run in the same emulator that the Game Gear versions use, it would only take minimal effort for Sega to port the Game Gear exclusives TO the Master System for the purposes of this collection. The Game Gear versions were a DECISION.

[@unnamed12346]

I'm glad someone said that Amy's addition wasn't that impressive, honestly. I don't hate that Amy is in the game, but then she feels like a Sonic Clone with less to her base moveset since she lacks the Barriers Sonic has in place of her Hammer techniques which actually could have benefitted from a bigger hit box that was like a ring around her or if you hit an enemy with it in midair, it gave you some extra vertical height like Sonic Advance gave with Spring Hammer hits Heck, even just giving the Hammer Jump from Advance 1 would make her more interesting a character to the environments that are these games

[@unnamed12346]

@@realalaamona Yeah, but I guess I'm biased because she was fun to play as in Sonic Advance 1 the most

[@lowchaomain4535]

The Game Gear audio emulation itself isn’t bad, it’s the pseudo-stereo effect they’re using. If you force the audio output to mono, it sounds fine. Using the Game Gear versions at all is a crime though. Hackers over at SMS Power! have even converted Triple Trouble (and many other GG titles) to not only run on a Master System, but even take advantage of the console’s higher screen resolution. Sega just doesn’t care.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

I have to admit their are still problems with the games not being as good as the 2012 mobile ports. CD is missing sonics voice and the oh cutscenes for CD are desynced

[@Langas_LVDC]

No MJ music in Sonic 3 : NO BUY.

[@onthedre]

Wow, all they had to do was make Amy like Sonic Advanced or Sonic Adventure Amy and they couldn’t get that right. There’s already a Amy in Sonic 1 Hack that does it better…

[@MariaAparecida-gp4bq]

I don't think the advance moveset would work well in the classic games, because of how complicated this moveset is to master, plus it literally takes away the core gameplay mechanic (the spin attack). They should've just given Amy a hammer bounce like the S3 air mod does. Works better with the games and isn't hard to be played with

[@DaPurpleWarrior]

But it's a classic game why would you want a moveset like she had in advance and adventure inside of a classic game.

[@dragondelsur5156]

"Fuck Advance" -J-Zuss

[@La_Win69]

As a long time sonic fan, that is, once again, as expected.

[@ZacharyDietze]

Here's how to get the ideal version of "Sonic Origins": 1. Get a Steam Deck, you won't find any good Sonic ports on modern consoles, it'll never happen, sorry… 2. Get Sonic 1 Forever 3. Get Sonic 2 Absolute 4. Get Sonic CD Restored (Or Miracle Edition if you have patience to deal with extensive decompiling BS) 5. Get Sonic 3 A.I.R. with extra slot Amy 6. Get Sonic Triple Trouble 16-Bit 7. Get Sonic Mania Plus with extra slot Amy 8. Get other excellent classic styled fan games like SRB2 and SRB2Kart while you're at it 9. Eagerly await for Sonic Overture and Sonic Galactic 10. Get the Director's Cut of 3D Blast if you want to try that 11. Emulate everything else pre-Adventure if you want to try other classic series games 12. Also use more quality mods for any of the games if you are interested since there's a gigantic amount, especially for the SRB2 titles *Congratulations, you now have "Sonic Origins"*

[@lasercraft32]

Gotta love when companies just resell their games back to us again with zero improvements.

[@WikiThis]

8:33 I never get this when it comes to a sonic collections. They always use the Gamegear versions when the Master System versions are right there.

[@alexandrpeterberg390]

It is certainly hard to put faith in SEGA when it comes to re-release and remakes of older Sonic games as we can see here. I mean had we ever got good remasters of the old Sonic games? (aside from the mobile release of Classic Sonic games) As it stands, the best versions to play Classic Sonic games are Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic CD Restored, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 Angel Island Revisited. (or Sonic 3 Complete depending on your preference) And while Amy isn't a playable character in Sonic 1 Forever, (I think) Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 A.I.R. There are ROM hacks and mods that make Amy playable in those games. As well as Metal Sonic, Shadow, Rouge, Cream, Blaze, Ray, Mighty, Bunnie Rabbot, Sally Acorn, and many more. Hey Pariah, have you heard of Legacy of Solaris? It's a mod that fixes many Sonic 06 issues. It's still janky and P-06 is still the better experience but Legacy of Solaris offers a full Sonic 06 experience and then some.

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

They’re going to remake it using the Sonic Superstars assets. I guarantee it. After Sonic Frontiers they make sprite remakes and then after Sonic Superstars they will make 3D remakes.

[@Etrodecim]

I hope we get a Sonic A.I.R type mod for this game, so before then I'm not buying it. Thank you so much for your review bro.

[@Butwhythough881]

If you’re on PC, aside from Sonic 3 AIR, there’s also Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute which a really good substitutions for Origins.

[@MariaAparecida-gp4bq]

As for Sonic CD, you can also play either Sonic CD Restored or Sonic CD & Knuckles

[@User-v3b1k]

What was even the point of this collection if the fan-made remakes exist?

[@gengargamer5657]

1. Those aren’t official 2. They are only on PC and Mobile 3. Consoles gamers exist

[@User-v3b1k]

@@gengargamer5657play them on a steam deck

[@Alexdbzmovies]

This funny because before Origins released I wanted to have all 4 classic games on my Steam Deck but without having to buy Origins and the biggest reason was the Sonic3&K OST using the prototype versions. After I downloaded the fan versions of those games, (3 AIR, 2 Absolute, 1 Forever, and CD Restored) I have to say anyone who is interested in playing the classic games to get those fan versions. Not only you have a save file for the first two like in 3 but with mods and customizable music, these versions will allow you to play these games the way you want to.

[@gengargamer5657]

Unfortunately, they aren’t on consoles

[@LeeOsburn]

You know Sega is screwed up if it takes a whole year for this 'improvement' to get released.... and it barely fixes any of the problems. So pathetic. I'll bet 40 dollars they'll do another accolades trailer bragging how good Origins Plus is just like last year. 😂

[@LilSkott]

You really hit the nail on the head especially on the points about CRT filters and the Master system versions

[@GamingintheAM0801]

Sadly, Sonic Origins is just "okay," but all I wanted was the mobile ports on console and that's what we got. I had literally one criteria, and it was met, so I'm really not complaining. I do think it would've helped if they had made the games' level select options from the mobile games accessible from the main menu. You can actually customize the physics and moveset of each game (turning the speed cap on/off, using Peel Out or Insta Shield outside of their games, adding a seventh emerald and Super Sonic to Sonic 1, etc.), but only through the level select screen, and so many people don't know this.

[@asciiangel7583]

i’m glad amy isn’t too different from sonic

[@rickster008]

I remember when this game was announced on the sonic Central I was excited to at least get to play sonic 3 and knuckles on the switch. After it came out the missing music made me back out on buying it. This game just made mega collection so much more valuable

[@JulOverHeaven]

Also personally, I think this collection is perfectly acceptable for me, I’m a kind of person between a casual player and a diehard sonic fan, like I’m a fan of the series, but not a diehard, so these small issues don’t hinder my experience that much, I’m just glad we have a package that has all 4 classic games remastered in widescreen and 60fps

[@kaobunn]

shhh don't disagree with him you might anger the people that dislike the game

[@JulOverHeaven]

@@kaobunn lmao

[@lpfan4491]

We already had 3 of these roughly 10 years ago. In a nutshell, these are just botched ports of older games.

[@gengargamer5657]

@@lpfan4491not really

[@lpfan4491]

@@gengargamer5657 Not really - how?

[@spycrabsmokey]

Don't forget they also used Rafaknight's amy model for the menu and refused to credit them, the topology has been proven to be the exact same. They also lied about not using them too when it's obvious they're blatantly lying.

[@abram-green]

What would have been cool is if they gave Amy the ability to traverse Knuckles’ parts of S3K and Sonic’s parts.

[@Fighter_53]

I have a theory on why we don't have the Master System versions of the 8-bit games. Perhaps the og code of them were tossed away? This may sound silly, but there are reports of Japanese game companies tossing away source code and even cases of similar events in other forms of media (Like Toei throwing away the audio masters for Dragon Ball, hence why all the home media releases with JP audio sound muffled and bad) as well. It's just a theory though

[@WorksOfMagic]

It's just using emulation. They could dump roms from cartridges or even get them from Vimm's lair or some shit and it wouldn't make a difference. Allegedly, the Game Gear games are running on the emulator used in SADX, so they probably thought it'd be easier to slap the shitty outdated work they made in that game to put it in this one.

[@ericamaya2467]

Yeah... we know. BUT DID YOU SEE THE SONIC FRONTIERS UPDATE ITS FRIGGIN CRAZY!!!

[@alejandroaguilar2012]

Bro the update is so good bro they added momentum.

[@alejandroaguilar2012]

It clears origins plus by a mile.

[@spritvio639]

I liked it.

[@ericamaya2467]

​@@alejandroaguilar2012TRUE

[@thecoolbroscoolman4672]

If you’re still asking for MS versions for the GG games STOP! Instead you should be asking for widescreen versions of the games, I mean the whole reason people wanted the MS versions were to see a lot more in these GG games, Also CONSISTENCY!

[@D00D64]

Why couldn't they get M2 to port the Game Gear/Master System stuff? They're the ones responsible for the 3DS game Gear ports, and those came out great! Better than Nintendo's own Game Buy emulations! They would have done it perfectly, they practically already did!

[@Natsuki_Kat]

Sonic frontiers has been getting so much love and care in the updates but origins just feels empty

[@Akai_Music]

Just by putting the audio on mono, it fixes itself. For some reason they separated mono audio into to stereo channels by taking different frequencies into one and the other, for some reason…? And totally messed it up. If you reproduce it on mono, everything comes together and sounds completely normal. I don’t know who took such a garbage decision to turn mono into stereo. If you’re 100% emulating the games, and you can’t reprogram the audio sfx files to each reproduce more on a specific side of the headphones, and pan the individual voices of the music, then just keep it mono.

[@joshuahaynes1026]

I'll just wait till Sonic Superstars for my next sonic game.

[@MoeE3999]

The best way to play these games is through the reverse engineered and fan ports on PC .sonic 1 forever,sonic 2 absolute,sonic 3 air and sonic CD decompiled also sonic 1 and 2 gamegear/mastersystem already have fanports and most of these are also available on android.

[@MiSambra]

I just finished playing the Triple Trouble 16 bit remake. It was awesome. I was completely blown away by the quality.

[@HydraBread]

Amy's hammer charge also lets her climb hills because it has a fixed speed that ignores resistance against it. I found some interesting ways to use it to fight back against levels that funnel you down.

[@marioboi323]

why dont we just email sega and tell them to fix the problems? eNough people emailing, they'll do it just to shut us up. who's with me?

[@ViperAcidZX]

"I expect nothing, and I'm still letdown." -Dewy, Malcom in the Middle

[@vegetafan9922]

The Game Gear games in Origins sound like they do because Sega bafflingly decided to have the audio be output to stereo when native Game Gear audio is mono. When you set your console/pc's auido output to mono they sound like they're supposed to. Also I suspect that the reason Sega keeps giving us the Game Gear versions of these games is because the Master System versions of the games only released in the West, and Sega, being a Japanese company, think that the Game Gear versions are the only ones that matter because they're the only version that came out over there.

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Not only that, but Sega hates 2D games, nowadays. There was going to be some sort of racing game called Sonic Extreme(not to be confused with Sonic X-treme, cancelled Sega Saturn game). It was cancelled by Sega because they want to focus on making 3D games. That's also the case after Sonic Mania, people question it there will be a sequel to Sonic Mania like a Sonic Mania 2, but Sega denied for the same reason. That's insulting, games don't have to be 3D in order to be fun. We have 2D indie games that became huge successes like Super Meat Boy, Celeste, Undertale, Deltarune, FNAF, Omori. There's also a common theme where remasters/collections of games are rushed, like Duke Nukem 3D: 20th anniversary world tour, there's a few bugs that weren't there in the original game, and you fight the Cycloid Incinerator(final boss), who is a pathetic excuse for a boss. It uses flamethrowers which are effective on short distances, but it uses it anyways whether Duke is close or not, and there's enough wiggle room to gun it down.

[@sunvinn]

The Pariah art at the start is neat

[@phobosanomaly5383]

I got a ad for sonic origins plus when i clicked on this video

[@dappleofthedualies]

What was kinda weird for me is that it didn't come with all the dlc. I got the game digitally on Switch without owning Origins beforehand, and I only got the island view (aside from Plus stuff). No 100 coins, no mirror mode, no harder challenges, nothing.

[@dappleofthedualies]

Also, this is my only nitpick. I love this game, but I wish I just had more tries at special stages, lol.

[@dappleofthedualies]

(nevermind, everything but coins are there.)

[@something_nintendo]

Knuckles shouldve been added in CD for Free like how Sonic Mania added level transitions, the new Metal Sonic boss fight, and more even without getting the Plus Add-On

[@naam4769]

1:02 this was just a a very good start of video in Thank you so much to have this style for your video, since most of youtubers skip right away to go straight to the point.

[@MT-kz8gw]

I was going to say something negative here, but then I realized that meant I would be a Sonic fan

[@GamingintheAM0801]

"You could give Sonic fans pure happiness on a platter, and they'd still complain about the platter." - Anonymous

[@Ultra_7]

Ever since the announcement of the returning Game Gear games, I was always confused on why they were porting inferior versions of most of the games in the collection

[@shyguy85]

Why tf did they not add spinball and 3dblast?? Not even remastered just the original roms slapped on would be fine. And while theyre at it, make the classic mode actually the original roms

[@madnessmariobros5972]

I guess sonic fans will never be happy😞

[@crimsonzone8984]

Wow, pariah695 looks like a high D cosmic being with a mask and gloves interacting with a low D controller. And I guess he has second thoughts about this "pay me to be my friend kinda thing" that he thinks about patreon.