A Rant About: Tudor Dramas and History, Part 4

[@laylags7788]

7:40 Authentic portrait of King Henry Viii, and his prized East End Corner Shop

[@Luanna801]

Peter Morgan also put a "Henry rapes Anne" scene in the Other Boleyn Girl movie. As I recall, that scene didn't exist in the book, so this really seems to just be a favorite headcanon of his.

[@AliceOfSherwood]

It seems he has a subconcious desire to punish Anne for being a promiscuous temptress. It makes me sick. I used to watch that film a lot (I didn't know what quality was back then) and I always skipped that part.

[@suburbanbanshee]

She was practically throwing herself at him, albeit in the style that waits for marriage before doing anything. I mean, that's the whole story. Why would a different version make sense?

[@Luanna801]

@@suburbanbanshee We have no evidence she threw herself at him, in fact the surviving evidence (like Henry's letters to her) leans far more towards showing that HE was chasing HER, and she was quite reluctant, at least at first. Besides, I'm not clear what you're trying to say here. That he would've had no reason to rape her, because she "threw herself at him"? Or that if he had raped her, she would've "deserved" it because she was basically inviting him? If it's the latter, I strongly disagree with that way of thinking.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@Luanna801 This. Picking apart what evidence does exist, it seems very much that Anne fought off his advances for as long as she could and in as an inoffensive manner as possible, until she eventually gave in out of her and her family's safety or for a burgouning desire of power. All of the letters Henry lavished on her quite frequently mention her being away from court for a surprising amount of time for a person in service of the queen. Like she was running away fervently. And on the whole rape issue, why would Anne spurn the attentions of the King when her whole livelihood and ascent rested on her ability to bear the king an heir? She would most desperately be trying to do the deed to save her own neck, pun not intended 😄. It seems much more likely that Henry eventually spurned her attentions.

[@kosovoiskosovoproductions7001]

Henry raping Anne and assaulting Jane is just... no. I refuse to believe a human actually made this.

[@AliceOfSherwood]

The assault of a wife by Henry leading to premature labour did happen in the Tudors, but it happened to Anne. She caught Henry and Jane Seymour kissing and flew into a blind rage. Henry, restraining her, wrapped his arms around her abdomen which obviously affected the early pregnancy. Then he had the gall to blame her for it.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Ah right, I remembered that show doing something similar, guess I wasn't going mad then!

[@JupiterMuffles]

I thought that was just a disputed rumor

[@darianrose2195]

To be fair, he was trying to be gentle with her and was trying to calm her down, especially given her pregnancy. That said, don't push your pregnant wife into a blind rage.

[@bialessa6317]

Wrapping your arms around your pregnant wife like he did does not cause a miscarriage - source: im a nurse

[@annkelly0072]

My husband refuses to watch any historical dramas with me because I'm constantly "complain-raging" about the inaccuracies & absurdities on display. Now that I've found your channel, which is highly entertaining & informative, he can hear double the "complain-raging!" I've found my KZbin "home!"

[@jonathanharris1665]

Ray Winstone was channeling Sid James' Henry.

[@NorthWestern1919]

The real reason why the opening scene was cut was because Satan had another acting role at the time, and wasn't available for filming.

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

He was busy filming The Apprentice

[@swa7169]

I like the part where Henry and Cromwell decide to embark on the English Reformation after a single conversation which lasts literally a minute and twenty seconds. Cromwell: "A simple Act of Supremacy would merely restore things to their proper place." Henry: "But I would be excommunicated and go to hell." Cromwell: "The Pope cannot send you to Hell as King of England because you would be head of the church on earth." Henry: "Huh." (Scene Break) Henry on his knee to Anne: "Marry me."

[@lesleynormoyle6416]

Phil Mitchell as Cromwell.. "Its alright Henry mate...sawted!"

[@banshee7743]

Thank you for your series of Tudor rants. You've encapsulated everything I've ever thought about bad Tudor portrayals/costumes, historical accuracies etc. These videos made me feel so much better!💖

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Glad you have enjoyed them. At some point this year, I should be releasing part 5 looking at season 2 of the Spanish Princess (it will probably be an hour and a half long at this rate!)

[@Azdaja13]

We need a Henry VIII anime series now for the following reasons: A: Cavalier can review it and talk about anime simultaneously. B: People will have literal waifus to argue over. C: The execution scenes for Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard won't require actresses so they could actually show the gory details if they wish, though we won't have the meme that is the fake Helena Bonham Carter one. xD D: Catherine Howard would be secondary school/Sixth Form aged, making her Cavalier's favourite character by default. E: Have Ray Winstone voice act Henry in the English dub.

[@thenablade858]

Sadly, B has already happened with the six wives. It’s like they’re fighting over which Transformer they like best.

[@pg9513]

I hate how these films portray Anne of Cleves. They cast random women who do not resemble their character at all (and it's inexcusable, as Anne's appearance is verified through Holbein portrait) and stick to the trope of the ugly fatty who looks gross and disgusting and appears in two scenes before disappearing forever. Don't they check actual historical documents and see that Henry was not repulsed by her when he saw her, he was just humiliated because she recoiled at his sight when he grabbed her out of nowhere? Or that before this meeting everyone actually thought her to be pretty? Frankly it is also misogynistic to me, that Anne is portrayed as homely and eager to consummate the marriage, while they never think that maybe in real life Henry would have been the homely one of the two, an obese middle-aged man with a stinky, rotting leg. I'm sure that Anne must have been more unimpressed by him than the other way around. They also strip her of her personality, as if she were just "the ugly one". Bah

[@jenniferschillig3768]

Whatever you might say about Philippa Gregory, at least in The Boleyn Inheritance she gets this right: that Henry, after years of being surrounded by yes-people who kept up his delusion of being young and desirable because they kind of LIKED their heads, was confronted with the first honest opinion of himself that he'd ever had. And he didn't like it, so he projected it back onto her. After all, look at how he described her...fat, unattractive, and smelly. Now who would that description fit? Of course, we don't know for certain that this is how it went down, but given what we know of Henry and his vanity, and that silly disguise game he liked to play, and how he basically manhandled a young woman who had no idea who he was, it's easy to surmise that this was the case.

[@batelshimoni1078]

In that area, The Tudors TV series did her very very well, especially when Anne complained to Cromwell how stinky Henry was.

[@TeroTheShortOne]

@@batelshimoni1078 Joss Stone was such a good Anne if Cleves, and I thought they did a good job of making it more about Henry’s ego than any fault of Anne’s.

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Often the source material for writers of historical films and shows is sadly the other films and shows

[@aruglaempire2518]

@@jenniferschillig3768 Philippa Gregory is a horrible author.

[@winterwolf7423]

This series is more entertaining than most of the actual productions. You do such a thorough job with them.

[@NALEtheridge92]

Dorothy Tutin will always be my Anne Boleyn. Thank you for another fully accurate critique, my somehow separated-at-birth twin!

[@minervamclitchie3667]

Mine too, she looked the most like Anne Boleyn.

[@jasonjuneau3554]

The closest parallel to this I can find is John Wayne as Genghis Khan in The Conqueror.

[@FragileThings331]

Sarah Michelle Gellar as Anne Boleyn, it would have been Kathryn Merteuil with a bad British accent. So glad we were spared that. As for Henry meeting the devil, after reading The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis, I'm sorry we didn't get to see that. Catherine has never been played by someone size appropriate. Never mind her hair colour, I want to see her played by someone who looks like they have endured 6 pregnancies in 9 years and is still strong, dignified and sympathetic.

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

See this series is a prime example that while you can have good actors like Dance, Strong and Carter if you have bad scripts and plot lines it still fails the only example of an actor carrying film i can think of is Alan Rikman in the robin hood prince of theves film

[@Mike-zh1ew]

There's a blog about period costume who constantly, formally and institutionally refer to Philippa Gregory as "Philippa fucking gregory" and I've accepted this manner as to be the only correct way

[@dawnMcCOT7]

The skinny dipping in the moat was the best. I lost it with that scene. Love your channel

[@lorettabridges7751]

I like your channel immensely. I rage alone at the chopped up history and screenplay done by committee.

[@swa7169]

I recently rewatched Fall of Eagles (1974) and there is a section dramatizing the German plan in 1917 to allow a sealed train to carry Lenin from Switzerland back to Russia. They way it unfolds is that Kaiser Wilhelm II talks to his chancellor Bethman-Hollweg who talks to the German Social Democrat Helphand, who talks to a Russian exile named Glazkov, who talks to Lenin. That may not be exactly the way it happened, but it is at least plausible. If that were dramatized now, the producers would feel compelled to cut out all those boring middle men and instead put Kaiser Wilhelm and Lenin in the same room with each other, so they could discuss the plan face to face. And that's at a minimum of "badness." A truly awful production might feel compelled to throw in a fist fight between the two, or possibly a love triangle to really spice things up.

[@JayAnnAych]

I laughed so hard at the 'always marching soldiers with torches'! I loved this film(s) when i first saw them (and had the oh-so-usual 'i love everything Tudor'-phase as a teen...) but always wondered why HBC looked so awful in those unfitting dresses until i read that she was pregnant during filming. Haven't seen it for some years now, though and i think all the inaccuracies would make me hate it today. Thanks for the (very!) amusing rant! Gonna watch the other parts now, as well.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Thanks! Fair warning, Part 1 of the Tudor Rant series isn't perfect since it was fairly quickly put together as a stop gap video and, at the time, I didn't plan to turn it into a series. Part 3 is where I really start to properly organise it so I will probably revisit some of the stuff covered in Part 1 in a future video.

[@stefanfilipovits21]

I just rewatched this miniseries a week ago and I’m so glad to see you rip it a new one

[@jasonjuneau3554]

I actually think of Charles Dance more as Lord Montbatten than Tywin. Good review. I look forward to your further analysis of Elizabeth R.

[@charlotteSL1453]

“Like Baldric was going to turn up” I laughed way too hard!! 🤣

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

That Intro tell me all that is needed to know this will be a good watch :)

[@zoec6944]

It’s HERE! Been looking forward to this! I was just now wondering “what If Cavalier posted Tudor Rant 4?” Didn’t think so, but checked my feed anyway and... voila! Magic!

[@marianneshepherd6286]

Given that Henry was so desperate for an heir it wouldn't make sense for him to assault Jane whilst she was pregnant. Also (dependant on how far along she was) custom dictated that she would have been in her confinement, which would mean that she was completely separated from Henry and court life. I really recommend Lucy Worsleys documentary, it's wonderfully detailed on the lives of these different women. Especially giving time to Anne of Cleves and Catherine Parr x

[@thehopefuledwardian]

love your videos, never change

[@georgeorwell4534]

Your brilliant commentary makes these farces enjoyable. Edit: “Meet me outside of town!” “You know, that place next to the other place!”

[@lordblenkinsopp1537]

It is finally here!

[@joemarx7495]

Celebrate good times, come on! The Tudor rant is finally here,

[@susanneduffy8157]

The image you keep using for Katherine Howard by HOLBIEN has been reasonably established as Elizabeth Seymour ....

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

No it hasn't, you are thinking of the one wearing a black dress: janetwertman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Elizabeth-Seymour-e1499982745417.jpg This one (which is the one I use) is almost certainly her, contrary to some really stupid and poorly researched articles put out recently: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Hans_Holbein_the_Younger_-_Portrait_of_a_Lady%2C_perhaps_Katherine_Howard_%28Royal_Collection%29.JPG

[@Albukhshi]

@ 11:55 I remember reading an incident when Henry wanted to visit Catherine Howard. He rapped on the door to her room, didn't get an answer. His reaction was to assume she was indisposed and let the matter drop.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Nah, you must have misread it. I am told that he actually broke down the door, screamed "Come on Kaffrin, be a woman to yer man!" and then assaulted her whilst the EastEnders theme song played in the background.

[@Albukhshi]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Plot twist: the real reason Wolsey fell was that he let his guard down, and didn't use his little gray cells... :P

[@suziemartin3587]

It is safe to say that he will never run out of rent in the tudors and probably any other historical series especially if anything is authored by phillipa Gregory. He probably won't live to be 1000 years old however

[@Theturtleowl]

I am really happy to know that I was not the only one who had laughing fits during this mini-series. I could not stop laughing during the scene when Jane died. It was so mismatched.

[@CervusWright]

I searched for a review of The Spanish Princess because I hated it so much, and wanted to find someone out there that also recognised how appalling it was. Her storming into his rooms, and neglecting Mary...all that shit...I got so angry I downloaded Monarchy & Mind of a Tyrant just to soothe myself. I am now at peace having found your channel, and I have to say I'm grateful. I'm grateful because The White Queen & The White Princess were also shit, and you have explained why brilliantly. Thanks, mate.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

No worries, probably sometime in June of this year, I should have completed my 5th Tudor Rant covering the second season of Spanish Princess (current script is 16,000 words long!)

[@antitroll890]

I generally watch anything with Sean Bean in it since he is one of my favourite actors but not even he could save this train wreck

[@jasminep9455]

I have this on DVD so i figured I'd watch it again after many years. And oh my goodness how I cackled at the "come be a woman to your man" line

[@kate_cooper]

I should clarify that I haven’t actually seen this one in its entirety since it was new before I say anything because I might be remembering wrong. but, from what I do remember Part One was mostly focused on the Henry/Anne relationship and Part Two was largely focused on the Henry/Kathryn Howard relationship, which meant the other four wives were little more than cameos. And the only other character to get any real screen time or development is Cardinal Wolsey. I don’t even remember Thomas Cromwell being in it.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Oh Cromwell has a fairly prominent role, particularly in part 2, but again they gloss over most of what he did to focus on Anne Boleyn in Part 1 and Jane Seymour and Katherine Howard in Part 2. The entire movie is on KZbin at the time of writing this (think I linked it in the description).

[@kate_cooper]

Ah, I must watch it again some time then. Thank you.

[@juliamontgomery7312]

Thank you for the video-always entertaining. To be honest, I didn't know how to feel about the costumes in this. While I have seen much worse in the Tudors the costumes on the women just...annoyed me. Anne Boleyn always looked like she was half-dressed! Fore-sleeves DID exist back then and head-dresses did have cloth covers. They were head-dresses, not headbands. Not only that, there was just no detail in them. Tudor dresses from the portraits were gorgeous! Rich colours, beautiful fabrics, they just really made the Queens look like Queens. I loved the dresses from the six wives series and knowing that they had much less of a budget really is making the series costume designer for Henry VIII look bad in comparison. And that thing you said about adaptations copying other adaptions on inaccuracy? Look at The Tudors. I'm pretty sure that Catherine of Aragon was also wearing a suspiciously Spanish headdress

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

I swear that the Benny Hill music would have elevated this!

[@kate_cooper]

To be fair, so would Henry going to hell and meeting Satan. We were robbed.

[@rickyj5547]

I can't stop laughing at ray.

[@sian2337]

The costumes in the Spanish Princess season 2 were much better than the first one. In my opinion, of course. I love videos that go into details like this. Does anyone know any other similar stuff? I'm interested in any time period.

[@joanneplunkett4656]

Justi watching "In the Shadow of the Tower". This series far exceeds the the "The White Princess". It is more true to history and interesting. Margaret Beauford appears a little more human.

[@keroppi0420]

I like the Helen Mirren’s portrayal of Elizabeth. That seems a little bit more accurate and some of the Tudor dramas I’ve seen. It does have some inconsistencies but I think it is pretty good.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Definitely, I am going to do a Quick Review of it at some point.

[@keroppi0420]

Thanks! I just found your channel last week and I love it! I feel the same about these new Tudor dramas. A lot of them I cannot watch because they are so bad! Keep up the good work!

[@macgyversmacbook1861]

One thing Henry VIII did right was casting born and bred Yorkshireman Sean Bean as Robert Aske, but I will admit I’m biased and love anything he’s in that lets him speak in his brogue

[@gracefutrell1912]

Honestly I’m getting more of Fred Flintstone vibe from this Henry the eighth for some reason 🤣 And it kind of annoys me that Jane did the very same thing anne did but she’s a sweet girl I wish someone would get more into that but oh well

[@Pinklady7529]

I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!

[@Slinkynuts]

Glad you make reference to my friend Claire Ridgway. if anyone knows about Anne it is she!

[@Slinkynuts]

I really enjoyed this show. worth waiting for.

[@irinakermong1217]

The miniature of Katherine Howard has been theorized to be of Anne of Cleves rather than of her (which... kind of makes sense, given that it does look a lot like the Holbein portrait of Anne), but there's a portrait that may be of her where she has a black and red dress, and there again, she's definitely not a blonde.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Nah, the theory that it is of Anne of Cleves is a load of twaddle. I did some posts about it: facebook.com/laughingcavalier/posts/792917898060801 facebook.com/laughingcavalier/posts/898507307501859

[@nellie3184]

10:08 Sir not appearing in this film.

[@madiantin]

0:07. Hooray! Your agonizing pain is so entertaning! May you have more, much more. =D Those memes are on point! 0:44 is so good. I had no idea who Henry Winston was when I saw this production...but I really didn't like him as Henry. He just didn't seem *accurate*, he was dislikable...which, ok, may possibly have been accurate as Henry wasn't a nice man...but I never got comfortable with him as Henry, and it took me right out of the show.

[@IronDragon-2143]

Imagine if they cast Charles Dance as Henry VII.

[@eamonndeane587]

Or Thomas Cromwell.

[@miagvinjilia]

4:48 sounds so hilarious without context! 🤣

[@ChineseGordon1956]

Another great review,

[@samtemdo8]

Best thing we can say about this is this show put Charles Dance on the map to cast as Tywin. And this is is the movie that got Robert Zemeckis' attention to cast Ray Winston as Beowulf in the 2007 Animated Film Nice to see Helena Carter and Sean Bean regardless.

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

I'm guessing the intro for the next spannish princess episode is going to have Katusyha crying or Cavalier over Princess's head as she gave that insult to a girl in Princess Principal

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I am wondering if I either try and do an Evangelion opening reference (runs copyright risk) or Pri Pri (maybe the scene where Zelda is about to kill Princess but then Ange flys in and saves her), will have to see. Currently, I am losing my mind editing this damned video on the trailer. I have to go back and screenshot everything and I am noticing new things wrong with it, like peasant women charging into battle at Flodden!

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Ooh i think the Pri Pri one would be best and don't worry it will be done soon and i'm sure we'll love it. Also can't wait to see the comment on that scene :)

[@hamakochan375kj]

16:23 Wait didn't this woman played as Bellatrix from Harry Potter? And she was named Bellatrix right? I can't remember really well

[@wessexfox5197]

I believe you are wrong on that point on The Tudors as I’ve rewatched it recently and don’t remember Rhys Myers even remotely rage at Jane bar a few polite but sharp barbs. 37:43

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Yeah, if you scroll down a bit some others have pointed this out. I got muddled with this film I think. I am planning to go back and rewatch the first and second seasons of 'The Tudors' for the 6th Tudor Rant for next year (haven't seen the early seasons for about ten years now I think!)

[@jasonjuneau3554]

Sergei Eisenstein's two movies about Ivan IV are an interesting contrast to these modern dramas.

[@TheCelticSelkie.]

I always thought that this Catherine of Aragon resembles The Evil Genius from Time Bandits.

[@seedhillbruisermusic7939]

"Eastenders directed by Adolf Hitler" made me laugh out loud

[@mikevecchione4852]

I don't recall Henry beating Jane in the Tudors

[@kimberleyheadland927]

hello thank you for this video............... well I’ve never stop laughing 😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 well I look forward to more of your work thanks again . You definitely have a new subscriber................kim🇬🇧

[@white-dragon4424]

7:30 Most of them, even the royals, would've had rural West Country type accents. Even the actors at the Globe Theatre would've spoken more like farmers rather than with the broad RP accents that they do now. As a matter of fact, RP is quite a recent invention, rather than a natural English accent.

[@BintyMcFrazzles]

I never understand why they MAKE THINGS UP. The Tudor period has so much readily available research that is exciting and dramatic, you don't need to bull shit. But, nah, let's just show more tits and arse. TITS, ARTS, FAKE DRAMA! They always do a disservice to K of A., well, actually, they do with all of the six queens. I seriously laughed out loud at "Sir Not Appearing in this Film." @10:08 Hilarious nod to MP then. Also thought the comparison to Baldrick and Blackadder were brilliant. You know something is bad when you compare it to The Tudors, because they did it better! (Well done for pronouncing "Assertio Septum Sacramentorium", BTW).

[@laurieelliott9889]

Very deep reviews. I notice one comment indicating your earlier comments about the Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R were missed. However, I haven't seen any comments regarding the two Cate Blanchett movies about Queen Elizabeth I. Please, have I missed them or will you be doing them?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Oh I haven't reviewed them yet, I was planning to back in Tudor Rant 3, but decided to focus on just the White Princess for that one. They will definitely be covered at some point in the future.

[@drjulia6860]

Hilarious review - just loving catching up on these videos. Winstone was woefully miscast and yes, very funny - unintentionally so.

[@borleyboo5613]

Well that gave me a good giggle. ‘The Tudor version of Dartmoor Prison’. 🤣 Helena Bonham Carter couldn’t act to save her life in my opinion. I kind of liked Ray Winstone as Henry. He at least looked the part. Much more than than Jonathon Reece Myers did.

[@zaja2418]

A little bit off-topic, but, seeing that picture of the actor who played Buckingham in The Tudors, something told me he could have been a more accurate version of Henry than Jonathan Rhys Meyers (appearance wise, at least).

[@ChristosGoulios]

Oh this is some nice gore at 0:43 could you tell me the origin of that too xd

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Made in Abyss, about a girl and a robot going into a giant bottomless pit and nothing bad happens at all. The movie they released last year is really good.

[@ChristosGoulios]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier oh I see nothing bad at all.. Brother ngl you got some good tastes. Ima check this one out for sure after seeing some clips

[@ChristosGoulios]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier although I don't like the furry

[@ChristosGoulios]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier or the age of the characters

[@ChristosGoulios]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier but that arm gore seems to be down my alley

[@Reign-Drop]

For Henry VII, I picture Robert Carlyle. Anyone else?

[@1IbramGaunt]

Yeeeesss 😁 worth the wait sir, worth the wait

[@aegonthedragon7303]

Really sad we’ll never see the version with SMG, it would have been hilarious.

[@mangot589]

Yay! A new vid! Thank you! Wait, hold on. INSISTING Sarah Michelle Gellar as Anne Boleyn? 🤦‍♀️. I love her. She was a great Buffy. But come on! I almost want to watch it just to 🧐. And oh my. I had to look at the “I am the King” clip like three times he looked and sounded EXACTLY like Russel Crowe.

[@1IbramGaunt]

By the way, not really related or your usual historical period I know, but did you ever see 'Rome' and what did you think if so? 🙂

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Not seen it recently, but pretty good from what I remember.

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier "RomanFlakes GOOD?! UT SIS MAGNUS!!!" (Mark Antony The Tiger)

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

Great video! Though I have to correct you about Henry beating Jane Seymour in The Tudors. He never physically beats her in the series and only warns her not to interfere with his political affairs.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Ah right, must have got muddled with this one. Will see when I inevitably get round to covering that series (groan...)

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I really do like the series however I think a lot of the historical event inaccuracies come in season 1! Brace yourself for the Princess Margaret storyline! *shudders*

[@savagedarksider5934]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I have A question: Have you seen the 1992 Stalin Movie ?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

@@savagedarksider5934 Is that the one with Robert Duvall? I think I might have watched it years ago, but can't remember it too well.

[@mollydickens1280]

@@IsaacWhittakerDakin Didn't they combine Mary and Margret into 1 sister and have her totally marry the king of Portugal?

[@AB-om2te]

I don’t think Henry assaulted Jane in the Tudors (tv show)... unless I’m forgetting an episode.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Yes, you are right. There is a comment I replied to months ago where we talk about it. I have sene so many of these now they all sort of blur together in my mind!

[@louthegiantcookie]

This is really funny to me, because I always felt Ray Winstone portrayed the best version of Henry. Interesting how people have such different interpretations of a show.

[@kraykray4446]

I thought the same thing. I thought Ray Winstone’s King Henry was the best his cockney accent not withstanding.

[@Mark-Smeaton]

Literally laughing out loud at the concept of Starkey and Whitehouse having "bastard" progeny. And that is you, Cavalier?

[@awseven1144]

I mean the parallels between this and Game of Thrones do make sense. George RR Martin has cited the Wars of the Roses as a major influence for his series so it makes sense that he would find influences from other English time periods. I do think this series did a rather poor job though, especially with some of the actors and events portrayed.

[@swa7169]

Not your time period, but any chance of a video on Fall of Eagles?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Oh yes, I will probably do a series of Quick Reviews on it at some point. Really good series if you ask me, particularly Barry Foster as Kaiser Wilhelm II.

[@swa7169]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier "I sometimes think Nicky and George conspire against me. I tell you gentlemen, if my grandmother were alive today, she would never have allowed this."

[@kate_cooper]

I was wondering if you might take a look at the Boudicca film with Alex Kingston which came out around the same time as this version of Henry VIII and also had a young Emily Blunt in it. But I wasn’t sure if Romans and Celts were really your thing.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

@@kate_cooper I live in Norfolk so know a bit about the Iceni. I don't think i have seen it though, save for the screenshots. I will add it to the list. It was a part of a series of historical(ish)dramas they made that year including this one and a Dr Zhivago adaptation with Keira Knightley if my memory serves me right!

[@jenniferschillig3768]

@@kate_cooper Spoilers, sweetie. :-)

[@lesleynormoyle6416]

Hi, really enjoying your videos. Could you please review The Shadow of the Tower. I know there can't be much wrong with it though because it's mostly brilliant!😁

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I have a quick review on it planned for some time in the near future, just have to work my way through the quick reviews of Elizabeth R and the Six Wives series first! I have mentioned SOTT in a few other rant videos (definitely Tudor Rant 3, maybe 2 as well).

[@jasonjuneau3554]

Have you seen the Spanish series "Carlos Rey Y Emperador"?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I've heard of it and seen a few clips on KZbin. Looks a lot more accurate than the American/British made series of late!

[@lesleynormoyle6416]

Perhaps if Danny Dyer had played Henry VII we might have seen the connection with his Cockney son!😁

[@suburbanbanshee]

So Peter Morgan is basically the transmitter of the bad Tudor drama disease?

[@stefanfilipovits21]

Are there any Tudor podcasts cavalier or anyone can recommend?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

No idea I am afraid! I don't think I have come across any on KZbin.

[@mollydickens1280]

Tudor Times?

[@kosovoiskosovoproductions7001]

Yesss! Finally here!

[@savagedarksider5934]

Great Video.

[@Jamestopboy]

I don't suppose you could be a fabulously wonderful person and write the names of those songs Henry VIII wrote down here so I can look them up, could you?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Oh God, that would take me forever to write down all the ones he composed! According to this, he wrote 20 songs and 13 instrumental pieces... by 1518! www.bl.uk/collection-items/henry-vlll-songbook Imagine how many more he wrote over the years! 'Pastime with Good Company' is arguably his most famous.

[@Jamestopboy]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier That link will do! Thank ye!

[@jenniferschillig3768]

Funny you should mention that whole business of Norfolk and/or Jane Boleyn encouraging Katherine Howard to conceive a son with Thomas Culpeper. That's the case in both Philippa Gregory's novel The Boleyn Inheritance and the YA novel The King's Rose. (Both of which came out after this...hmmm...) Actually, I don't believe they ripped this off, but it does seem to be a tempting tack for authors to take...if you buy the Katherine-willingly-slept-with-Tom-Culpeper narrative, you have to figure that there's got to be a reason that Jane Boleyn and (if he knew about it) Norfolk would countenance such an affair and, in Jane's case, even aid it. But it doesn't hold up to scrutiny...if Katherine had borne a son and he hadn't looked much like Henry, it would have been game over for all of them.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I'll have to rewatch the episode again, but I am sure the 1970 Six Wives went with this as well (that was one of the weaker episodes of the series, although the Anne of Cleves one was defiantly the weakest). I suspect they copied it from there.

[@penneycason9269]

Steven Waddington would make a fab Henry viii. He did Edward ii.

[@gracefutrell1912]

Just found out that magnificent century about Suleiman is on KZbin with subtitles at all Pretty much the Turkish the Tudors 😱

[@callytheist2414]

Wonderful video Cavalier! I can't wait until your reaction to the new Spanish Princess trailer! ..... Did I really see a pregnant Catherine of Aragon on the battlefield.......? 😂😂

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Yup! I recorded a rant about it yesterday, but the audio is ruined so I will try an re-record it today hopefully!

[@juliie007]

It seems like the Tudor series despite of its inaccuracies got Robert Askew right from the get go.

[@vanivanov9571]

Napoleon was short. We have his portraits. On which note, the portrait you show off for Henry's height isn't filled with 5'07" men.

[@tjw9985]

Would Anne Boleyn's head have been shown as she had been queen?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I'd have to look through the sources, but I think there is one mentioning her head being held up by the executioner. Obviously a bit later on, but Charles I's head was held up, although the executioner remained silent.

[@tjw9985]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Thank you.

[@lorihogue5015]

Yes !!! I agree with you on every point. I've performed in historical theater companies since 1988 and have researched the Tudor & Elizabethan periods extensively. I was excited to watch this ITV series ... SIGH. So disappointed. The casting of Henry was just wrong. The rape scene echoed Showtime's 'The Tudors' where history blows unless someone is getting shagged every few minutes. LOVED the references to 'Blackadder' and the 'Benny Hill' music. I'm subscribing ... you're brilliant !!! HUZZAH 👍

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Thanks, next part in this series will be looking at Spanish princess, season 2, arguably the worst Tudor Drama I have ever seen!

[@jamesblair18]

It is so depressing and yet so funny. I had not seen the ITV Henry VIII “drama” or any itv drama (I can’t wait for your views on Victoria). So I’ll give this a wide birth wider than the Boleyn Girl🤣

[@Jamestopboy]

Victoria is actually quite good. :D

[@jamesblair18]

Jamestopboy you mean, No affairs, love child or weird and unnecessary changes? I gave Catherine the Great by Sky a go. Oh my. We’d be writing a thesis on the weird and unnecessary changes there! Helen Mirren was so miscast. Dramatic purposes

[@Jamestopboy]

@@jamesblair18 I'd forgotten about the whole love child arc (although it's sort of implied in the series that it's actually bollocks and Leopold is HOPING it's true).

[@jasonjuneau3554]

I think maybe Rick Wakeman is the only one who could give each wife her due.