a recap if you stopped watching miraculous ladybug

[@thefirststage]

why does gabriel have to be so ugly i just laugh everytime he makes a facial expression

[@Killua_luvbot]

LMAOOOO

[@kara-mari9909]

bro looks like the sus guy

[@magentadolphin]

@@kara-mari9909jerma

[@Hatsune_miku_br]

@@kara-mari9909 dont disrespect jerma like that 😭😭😭

[@GL4MORGL0SS]

HELP 💀

[@iamgroot1409]

How did we get from “You and me against the world M’lady” to “M’lady will save the world by herself and not tell me a thing”.

[@peppyv6219]

this made me laugh out loud

[@mandyyyy1255]

The fact that she respected Gabriel’s wishes instead of respecting Adrien enough to give him the truth that he needed…. Utterly ridiculous

[@Nike-re4fq]

lol but its really true-

[@Chaoticaddy]

Will always say that season 2 was the best finale. It was a small group of heroes with a good dynamic and then It went back to just them and they’re were just perfect. They were EQUAL. Easily one of the best finales out of all the seasons.

[@ARTLECCHINO12]

@@mandyyyy1255 ridiculous UTTERLY RIDICULOUS

[@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482]

The problem with this show is that the writers and producer are indecisive about what they want it to be. They can’t decide whether it’s a goofy superhero-romance kids show or a tragic telenovela-level drama. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

[@sleepylady2723]

In fact the biggest problem here is the show's creator Thomas himself. He fights against his own writers because they want to take the show on a more consistent and even serious level - and that's why we often see some characters growing up in a certain moment of the show -. However, the creator just appears and says "nah I don't want it" and just resets the character development of every single miraculous holder. When people first complained about Chloe's dev just being snapped out of existence my man Thomas just said on Twitter that Chloe was supposed to be forever a Marinette's hater and that's it now Chloe will always be forever hated even by her creator himself.

[@mauveyplays]

Trueeee that's why the development of each character is utterly ridiculous and inconsistent.

[@loveablesimp]

Thomas literally bullied some of his writers away from his company and the show production

[@alishdhakal3446]

I’m confused I thought it was Lucas birthday

[@cherreybomb]

and even if they still wanted to do this, they literally have civilian and hero versions of characters!!!! have the civilians be goofy and the heroes but tragic telenova vibes???? i just dont understand why they were constantly changing the heroes from being goofy and flirty to serious and tragic, its so annoying!!!! just rewrite the entire show at this point!!1!!

[@wa11ie]

miraculous is a prime example of a show that needed a finish line. we went from monster of the week to teen dystopia in the 2010‘s with plot twists for the sake of plot twists.

[@springdemon.w.]

@@mikayla_a.oyes! And honestly thank God I'm not the only one who thinks they just took the sentimonster theory and ran with it bc they couldn't think of any other 'interesting' plots to add💀

[@aikotaylor]

it pains me to agree that they're pulling a riverdale type situation w miraculous ...

[@shaeliyoh5761]

Looking at this show is like listening to a video on repeat, but switching up the sequences every now and then in attempts to get a different result. But in a way it's still predictable.

[@RevRainsUtopia]

Not only that the release schedule for the show has always been nuts

[@limelightdebut]

We can just hope that season 6 gives like season 1-2 vibes since a new arc in their life is starting. My manifestation circle 🕯️ 🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️

[@noahlani6480]

I love the love-hate relationship the fans have for this show, it’s so painfully entertaining watch a bunch of 15-30yr olds try to salvage a show that they were once enraptured with.

[@Nahobussyino]

Lmao fallout fans do that too

[@mr.icecream7880]

It’s hilarious

[@SpagettiSpeltWrong]

There ain't even a love-hate relationship anymore it's just straight up hate.

[@nyxalex8049]

​@@SpagettiSpeltWrongand can you even blame us? Like come on. The state the show is in is unacceptable at this point

[@ethancox9737]

@@SpagettiSpeltWrong I think some of us still love what the show used to be, at least.

[@kingofflames738]

Adrien deserves better. He deserve actual friends and actual being relevant as Cat Noir. He deserves so much better than what the writers give him.

[@fluffigefledermaus218]

Always like Cat Noir over Ladybug tbh. Idk, I kinda find her a bit obnoxious at times.

[@luna-gq3wv]

@@fluffigefledermaus218 bfr she's the worst female main character written in cartoon history.

[@snowwhite5887]

fr they give him left overs, darn not even scraps. Sheesh.

[@katierasburn9571]

@@fluffigefledermaus218 shes worse than that shes a stalker and an outright bitch a lot of the time, but its okay because shes qUiRkY. Fucking hate her guts

[@yaB0i_Hawkx]

​@@snowwhite5887even though he is also a main main character

[@Ali-Oli09]

I love how she starts Season 5 by saying: "Miss Bustier is pregnant" and then goes on like nothing happened LMAO

[@72Worker]

Well they did hint at Miss Bustiers pregnancy in the New York special. All the way back in season 3. Longest pregnancy in recent times.

[@evilraccon]

I'm still thinking she lost the baby

[@clockworkcleo1297]

​@evilraccon no she's still pregnant, just hasn't had the baby

[@tteokchuu]

@@clockworkcleo1297nah she has had it now, you see him in the last episode of season 5

[@yournotsolocalqueer]

@@72Worker technically the whole show has been over one year so far so

[@Zoogore6777]

The lack of any real consequence on Nino’s end after revealing two secret identities *still* bothers me greatly.

[@komorebi3555]

Characters barely face consequences in this show (apart from Chloe and probably a few other exceptions dunno) Tikki almost destroyed the world once. Her consequence? Nothing.

[@NeroMai]

Kagami's mother being void of any consequence when she legit was a main villain throughout the plot of season 5 is truly something else.

[@GreetingsFromSpaceWhale]

YEAH

[@raeseph]

fr dude should be dead

[@_nehalennia]

need a redo of this series but with more adult themes where the characters start out making the same mistakes but actually fucking better themselves due to the consequences. PLEASE

[@noyes5002]

the fact that all of this happens within the span of a school year is crazy

[@nicolas._.2294]

Yea, lets ignore the plot hole and the many times when they said it been years

[@Thehistorygeographyandflagnerd]

It has been nine months for them while it’s been half a decade for us 😭

[@Thehistorygeographyandflagnerd]

It has been a decade for us mb 😭

[@Joanneyxx]

AND ADRIEN AND MARINETTE ARE 13/14?

[@Joanneyxx]

@@Thehistorygeographyandflagnerdi’m pretty sure miraculous was created in 2015? 😭

[@graceee4813]

it’s actually so painful to see how much potential this show has, yet it’s never used

[@morinomajou]

Maybe ten or twenty years from now, it'll get the She-Ra treatment from someone who grew up with the original show and can think of ways to make the lore and concepts into a more compelling plotline. Hopefully it'll be an actual Asian woman who can fix the orientalism and weirdly misogynistic characterisation too, haha.

[@geoffreygoncalves931]

You people should not even talk about this when you didn't watch the thing. It's the last of us 2 all over again, with "fans" feeling intitled to a story they don't own and severly lacking any form of adaptbility. Like you want the story to go your way, fine ! But ask yourselves if it will be in character for the characters and not how you imagine they are and what you want to do will bring and/or tell. There is a reason a story is told one way, it's for you to understand it. You don't like it good, but don't say it's bad writing just because it doesn't go your way. There are genuine bad writing out there but it isn't fair to say this because it's not what you wanted.

[@yorozuya0402]

@@geoffreygoncalves931 ⁠the writers dont even write their own characters “in-character” either though lmao. And the writing isnt bad writing because it’s not what fans wanted. It’s just bad writing.

[@geoffreygoncalves931]

@@yorozuya0402 What do you even know ? They created those characters, they know who they are more than us. Like okay, do what I asked on my previous comment just to see.

[@shaeliyoh5761]

​@@geoffreygoncalves931The creators literally base some of their work off the fans ideas. Of course there's going to be problems and people complaining about bad writing. At this point they're just dragging this story and it's literally been years. How did we go from Marinette fumbling over Adrien + Ladybug passing off Chat Noir to Marinette passing off Adrien for Chat? And most of the times the episodes just consist of Marinette stating she has an obvious problem and being comically bad at handling the situation until she turns into her ladybug form and learns her mistakes...it's like this girl's brain only gets 1000% smarter when she's in her 2nd persona. But then there's her lying and excluding Chat Noir to the point he changes his entire persona at one point. She used to be somewhat funny with her being comically clumsy. Now she's just insufferable and some of the characters are too. Like I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a plot twist of Nino turning against them cause he managed to release 2 superhero identities AT ONCE IN PUBLIC. Like I get the show is for kids and the point of it is to teach life lessons, but the characters shouldn't be this dumb.

[@syahi2416]

i think my brain officially broke at 'chloe is the dictator of paris'. arent these 14 year old children 😭😭

[@babyfaceweeb8937]

Right?!?

[@_Dar_29]

Tbh, by all the bullshit that's already happening there , nothing is impossible at this point lmao 😭

[@ShipperTrash]

It was insufferable to watch

[@LifeLessSquip]

And theyve been 14 for over 2 yrs atp

[@shin1189]

THEIR 14?! DUDE, I THOUGHT THEY WERE AT LEAST 16 OR 15

[@xartemisstarsx]

I love how most of the conflicts are “Oh, you thought it was Adrien, but it was actually me, Felix!” *Evil laugh*

[@joe-fk5ud]

Literally 😭 it happened way too many times and each time it happened I was never suprised☠️

[@lumityviktuuristanartist4100]

​@joe-fk5ud the first time it happened it was cool , and I loved felix but now it's so overused , it's not fun nor engaging anymore

[@KawaiiJackHonne]

AH HA HA HA HA

[@KawaiiJackHonne]

**insert kiras theme**

[@auliamate]

i cant believe marinette couldnt tell if her it was her boyfriend, or her boyfriend's evil twin. like girl you cannot be THAT BLIND

[@Vanceeeey]

Why does the ice cream man care so much 💀 Like, dude. He is like in his 30's and still tries to ship two teenage heroes together and gets mad when his ship doesn't go his way

[@enchantedgoldrush]

honestly that's a perfect description of all shippers irl

[@thomasdatoneboi405]

@@enchantedgoldrush its a perfect cautionary tale about not caring too much about what ships may or may not happen

[@nicolpineda8632]

I"m like shipping. But i know it's not Canon, and i don't care about it. (Fanfiction has better romántic stori lines anyways. I still don't understand why so many shippers want their favorite ship to be canon.

[@eglol]

I know, right? It was kind of annoying in the show and they ruined a character that was actually pretty sane and nice Maybe this show is trying to teach us that everyone has a good side and a weird/bad side...

[@HH56727]

Fr I got soo mad when he got akumatized for the thousand time I was like bro why do u care abt their love life

[@crispyfrog6778]

Gabriel will never have to go through the whole “my son is chat noir” thing and it pisses me off 😭

[@madyv8620]

ikr like i wanted that to happen so bad and i really wanted adrien to find out about gabriel being monarch so i’m so mad lmao😭

[@mandyyyy1255]

Didn’t we sort of see that in ephemeral? Actually I’m not sure if it was ephemeral but I know it happened in one of the alternate reality episodes

[@cosmicwren]

​@@mandyyyy1255it happened in Chat Blanc, but there was no hint of internal conflict whatsoever. Hawkmoth basically went "Oh you're my son, let me slam you into a wall lol"

[@ryaksm]

it did happen in chat blanc and ---SPOILER ALLERT--- in the movie that was released this years

[@lucidifying]

Right i wanna see him devastated and conflicted not whatever fuck he did

[@coryyclouds_]

I swear luka has to be the only sane person in miraculous

[@thelittleblackprince3114]

Him and Alex, that's why they both got booted off

[@smileiloveu2461]

Also Natalie

[@battyofficialyt]

Kagami too

[@carleennnn]

@@battyofficialytno how tf is she sane 💀

[@battyofficialyt]

@@carleennnn Wdym? She’s chill and intelligent tbh, the only problem is that she believed Lila

[@lunedocs2228]

The fact that Adrien NEVER FINDS OUT that his father was Hawkmoth is the worst possible decision that this show could have made, and there’s been a LOT of bad decisions

[@Theawesomeninja_XD]

Agreed

[@gabes3dworldofficial]

Think about what that would to him think real hard

[@randomviewer8756]

I think that's the plan for liela after all she knows the truth and could use that to break ladybug and cat noir in the future onece she knows chat is actually Adrien

[@gperez8]

i feel like he has to find out eventually? cause there’s no way ladybug doesn’t tell chat noir that hawkmoth was Gabriel, if she doesn’t tell him that’s just more confusing

[@usernotfound_____yet]

@@gabes3dworldofficial it would give him trauma and shatter his world view? And that is a bad thing? His a fictinoal character not a real human and making him go through hardships is important to develop his character.

[@ST4R_123]

this ain’t even a children’s show anymore this a whole ass drama series

[@1philanna]

Yep

[@sumitsaha4643]

We're not kids anymore I'm legit 22 now

[@1philanna]

@sumitsaha4643 I'm still a kid I'm 10 turning 11

[@JoHandavId21]

​@@sumitsaha4643I'm still a kid. I'm turning 8 this November

[@sakshijha5796]

Ikr

[@NAKOYAH]

The fact that the marichat fanfics I read back in 2015 were more well written than the show is rn...😭💀💀

[@pinklov4447]

no literally im so mad about the season 5 finale rn

[@mrghostly1118]

Yup😢

[@kidsshaw7739]

Omg fr! 🥺

[@Sachicodao]

no yeah the fanfiction scene of this fandom has kept it alive for the older fans imo... the show itself wasn't the best from the beginning, but it's become unwatchable at this point

[@hoshi6696]

Right😭

[@federmik7698]

Is it wrong to say that the best thing about Miraculous is fanfic and story rewrites that actually work better than the show? 😭

[@snowwhite5887]

Real

[@trixareecubillas2061]

No no, its okay you are right about that one

[@springdemon.w.]

No that's just the truth

[@spangebred328]

Scarlet lady supremacy

[@your_dad_on_vacation]

I wrote one where Natalie planned to kill Gabriel in an "accidental" house fire but then Marrinette as ladybug saves him and finds the butterfly miraculous on him and figures out he's hawkmoth Natalie takes Gabes place and Adrian eventually finds out that not only is his dad alive, but he's hawkmoth

[@milkisreallygood8957]

I love how you was like "yea i know everyone stopped watching Miraculous Ladybug after season 3 but is curious about what happen but isn't gonna watch the show due to the chaotic nature of the show so lemme make a recap for you." Iconic behaviour.

[@Shimospeher]

I one of that person xD I watch some episodes from S4 and 5, but not whole, propably waiting for season two years kill my thrill xD But still read fanfics, damn the many of them have better finale than what show present, at least they made reveal and father son confrontation.

[@sketchycat6223]

Me exactly. It doesn’t help that there’s no concrete place to watch the show on streaming. Most people either pirate it or watch on cable or smth. The new episodes aren’t available anyways

[@Howaboutyes11]

lmao fr

[@obara7366]

I stopped at the museum episode in S3. I was a fan who always gad issues with the show, but I realised that I was just torturing myself. Someone save Cristina Vee and Bryce Papenbrook.

[@Allizack.]

literally me

[@honeymeansmel]

“Chloe becomes the dictator of Paris” me, who hasn’t watched since the middle of season 3: man, this show is certainly taking some twists and turns…

[@myomalosza]

i have never watched a single episode of this show in my life. this plot feels like some sort of weird scientific experiment to see what the human mind can handle

[@snowwhite5887]

I agree

[@overripeschnitzel]

LMAO I HAVE WATCHED ALL THE SEASONS AND THE TWO MOVIES AND HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO TRUE

[@notquitemo]

never watched it either but watching this recap is kinda funny

[@abbym11111]

I only watched like 1-2 episodes but this whole thing is so interesting😭 Like I don't think I could handle watching all of it in 5 seasons and be okay by the end but the recap + the extra "what should have happened" segment was enough for me tbh

[@chaddfrancis2179]

Nah,it isn't that deep.

[@Zinervawyrm]

This show since season 1, "You can't simply wish all your problems away!" This show's season 5 finale: "Actually you can just wish all your problems away!"

[@Vikiiixx]

I dont get it..I just watched ep 26 and I didn’t understand what happened..Was his wish actually granted?

[@liacheese5845]

@@Vikiiixxyes, he wished to bring back emilie (and also saved nathalie), but ofc someone has to go if someone dead comes alive so gabriel sacrificed himself in order to bring back emilie :)

[@iDKVibe]

​@@liacheese5845mm, yes, one dying man in exchange for 2 lives being saved. Very balanced

[@adamH.1]

​@@iDKVibewell they never said that it was Emilie in the garden at the end. It couldve been Amelie, Felix's mother, it would make more sense for Gabriel to bring only Emilie back, Emilie herself said that she didn't even want to get revived in the recordings

[@bobbyb9258]

No, he exchanged his life against Nathalie's health. And he didn't bring back Emilie: the woman you see at the pool party is Amelie, Felix's mother.

[@sirenhead5816]

The fact that this show aired when I was around elementary school and is still going even when I’m now in highschool yet the story and character development have not improved is crazy. Used to love miraculous ladybug but wow I honestly think this series is way overdue at this point.

[@Shimospeher]

And propably yes, for me most shocking fact is after 5 seasons in their timeline is only 1 year after... Gabe was very busy man. And no, in Miracolous it's hard for character to develop, especially main characters for some reason.

[@emii36363]

Someone said the writing of miraculous felt like watching a 90s soap opera and I’ve never seen a statement that could be more accurate. Its like the writing room just makes stuff up as they go along. They care more about shock value rather than a consistent plot

[@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139]

Me! I started when I was in middle school and now I’m in college

[@cloverschlover1]

Fr it feels like miraculous has just gotten worse overtime🗿

[@springdemon.w.]

@@cloverschlover1oh that's definitely true

[@NABUptown]

What I still don’t understand is why Hawkmoth doesn’t just A. Give himself the power to time travel and give his past self the recipe to fix the peacock brooch B. Give himself the power to grant wishes C. Give himself the power to bring people back to life Like...at this point I’m blaming the writers over gabe

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

He literally had a time travelling miraculous and a perfect opportunity to use it and drop the recipe to the past, but he didn't, cuz... no. The writing couldn't be worse.

[@sunflowerjjunie]

​@@TheSoulCalledZuziaIt's literally not even the writer which would have been much much better. It was Thomas jumping in and changing everything including Chloe's redemption arc cuz she was supposed to be a "forever hater" of Marinette. Istg, this show had SO MUCH potential to be the greatest superhero show ever created but no the creator himself just HAD to ruin it.

[@90lancaster]

Hawk moth has to be written as an idiot to allow the show to continue as some genius gave him the tools to save Emelie but not the intelligence to know what to do with them. He had a Miraculous that can make anyone have any power or create any object. There is two ways to cure her right there.

[@milo5021]

A. Because he's delulu B. The miraculous can't give you the power that another miraculous can already do or something like that it's explained by one of the kwamis in an episode C. I think this falls under b as well And overall he's just incredibly stupid lmao

[@NABUptown]

@@milo5021volpina, copycat, anti bug and timetagger all use powers of other miraculouses

[@alussa8276]

Stopped after season 3 because I couldn’t stand “they find out then their minds are erased” ITS SO ANNOYING. This show had so much potential and they did everything wrong.

[@cheezballz8146]

I know right! Midway into season 3 there was so much potential as Chloe was actually getting redeemed or so we thought but then Thomas decided lol nope and threw her redemption arc out the window then completely sidelined Chat Noir despite him being one of the main characters and a HUGE focus on the entire Hawk Moth arc!

[@worldofmiraculous5338]

season 3 is the worst season of MLB it gets better with season 4

[@puffersaur6422]

Dont get me started on how the kwamis were wasted. Litteral immortal gods that had hundreds of weilders that they all outlived stuck in jewels to forever serve humanity given to teenagers and they never explore how they feel or are abused or how they are litteral gods and how them becoming one with their weilder when they transform affacts them. Nooro could have litterally felt responsable just as much as Gabe for all they did and Dusuu omg she is the reason Adrien exists and his mom doesnt, we never see how she was affected by it or Gabe shutting her in that box behind the painting or heck the sentimonsters and how they litterally created the kids aka Adrien, Felix and Kagami and are seeing them as their property....so much wasted potential. Tehy didnt even touch the duality and dependence of being a superhero and being free or how taht could lead a kwami to feel imprisoned compared to them...they could have done it with any new teenge miraculous weilder and the guardians omg the guardians, the litteral immortal dudes taht reappeared outta nowhere and we never saw them except the one time with Furious fu and it was cringe and so was he in the end...like tehy were wasted. Fu never even really met them again on a trip with Marinette

[@Shimospeher]

For me season 3 was best one, after that I stop watch whole seasons of 4 and 5. Have up and down there, but the finale was much waste for me, with most absent of Chat or not reveal scene. After this I not hope that next two seasons will be good.

[@worldofmiraculous5338]

@@Shimospeher if they would made CN to be in finale I would have renunced the show I dont wanna see Cat Blanc again. GABRIEL can just control him to be akumatize so ty god he wants

[@KelShu]

I absolutely hate how Thomas handled Chloe; not only is it hypocritical of him to redeem Gabe (the man that terrorized Paris on a daily basis), while saying that she's irredeemable, but it was also a missed opportunity, Chloe's character development done right could have shown that even characters that are mean to others can change and grow to be better.

[@KelShu]

@@limelightdebut Let's not forget that he snapped away most of Paris; and yet he gets a redemption and gets to be with Kagami

[@hihowareyatoday573]

@@KelShunot just Paris but the WHOLE WORLD

[@user-ladybug293]

I hope they never show chloe again

[@cosmicwren]

The thing that upsets me the most is that they were had all the pieces in place to redeem Chloe, she WAS getting better as a character, then suddenly they need a villain for the season finale and all the character development gets thrown out of the window???

[@KelShu]

@@user-ladybug293 For her sake I agree, I want Thomas to move on

[@TheBookSkeptic]

Yeah I always hated Thomas’s take on Adrien as a character. There’s two main characters here, Adrien deserved to be a part of this finale

[@morganqorishchi8181]

Thomas says he's a feminist but he doesn't let Adrien be Marinette's equal, even though the core thesis of feminism is that we're all equal. And he says on Twitter things have to be like this because Marinette is the hero but... no? Most superheroes don't lie like this to their significant other. It's not about feminism or heroism it's just that this man sucks as a writer.

[@smart.but.stupid]

It's funny how at least season 4 made it look like his arc was going somewhere...I mean he was unhappy, he was possessive at times, he was jealous of LB's attention and in the season finale SHE screwed up, not him. From what it looked like there had to be a flip of some sorts, where Adrien stops worshipping LB and starts rebelling against his father, questioning his moralities more and more. It would've been so freaking cool if he stopped being a lovesick puppy, tried to actually investigate what happened to his mother, got to know who his father really is and got a chance to decide what to do with this whole situation. Just IMAGINE! Instead, season 5 Adrien could've been described by a single quote from this same season: "I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life but I know that I love Marinette 🤡" It felt like he was lobotomized or something.

[@COSun25]

​@morganqorishchi8181 Now I see why Playmates Toys just given up on doing more constant merch for this series. It's not boy-ish or boy-girl-ish enough. Bandai did better for the franchise w/ the action figures even though the dolls from Playmates are what some fans wanted from the start.

[@guillermocervisalmeron2209]

​@@morganqorishchi8181Also Leidybug is about a love story, what is the feminist part there?

[@babyxblue]

​@@guillermocervisalmeron2209Astruc said he wanted the protagonist to be a girl cause he wanted little girls to know they could be superheroes etc.

[@gjxnd03]

"...and Lila is a manipulative ✨BITCH✨ who..." Had me wheezing 💀💀 but it's the most honest shit since forever

[@whoyzp7095]

Reject canon, embrace delusion. I love your ending

[@pinklov4447]

YES PLS 😭🙏🙏

[@lunarbat6009]

Delusion is key

[@hennyharket]

EMBRCE DELUSION😭 i’m gonna have that tattooed on my FACE

[@nicolas._.2294]

Delusion is the fans only salvation

[@rayvaul3539]

@@hennyharket That will actually be a bad idea as it would suggest that people should embrace ANY delusion. Doesn’t that strike you as crazy? 😒🙁🤔 But lol, I support the idea of rejection of canon MLB. 😂 it’s all over the place!

[@ma3m_ae85]

the way they just casually threw at our faces that lila has been wearing a wig through the entirety of the series was the biggest plot twist for me. also gurlie is so dedicated in lying her way through that she even learned sign language like i gotta give her that credit atleast

[@OllyTheLion]

FR

[@c_stxr3294]

I despise Lila omg I hate her more than anything on this planet and I'm so pissed she got the butterfly miraculous. I'd rather literally anyone else take it.

[@Marina_7]

Absolutely!! I died at the way the girl snatched her own wig in the middle of of the street and threw it in the trash 🤣💯🙌

[@morganqorishchi8181]

She's wearing a wig, color contacts, and artificially darkening her skin with makeup.

[@Crux_JCr]

I had to think about my stance on her lying when we find out she has 3 different women believing they are her mom. Then I thought better about it and accepted it's just crappy writing trying to make the most blank slate characters into a villain.

[@Orkprof]

27:00 - The whole issue with Kim being a past love interest and pranking her in a cruel way after being manipulated by Chloé was such a clumsy retcon. For years they told us not to mind Marinette's obsessiveness, jealousy and stalkish behaviour as it was all a joke. Now, all of a sudden it's serious business, and the result of some past trauma no less (trauma which had never manifested so far in any possible way....).

[@cattterrrrpiillllarrr]

YES and it never existed w/ luka or any of the episodes where they went to the pool before, and they literally say in derision smthn along the lines of "well my mom's gone too and im not awful" basically saying chloe's trauma isnt an excuse to be a bully, but bcos marinette has trauma it's meant to be a good excuse for her to be a stalker????

[@zephaniahdejene1746]

Average MLB plot points

[@morganqorishchi8181]

Making Marinette the one who has to bear all the psychological burdens of knowing the truth is just the "women can deal with complex emotions but not dumb boys" shit media has done for years. So not only is Adrien being lied to, Marinette is being made to be unable to be an honest and open equal with him. Neither of them gets to have a true love they're totally vulnerable and comfortable with. I didn't think it was possible for the ending to screw over both of them but they found a way. It's kind of impressive how much that sucks.

[@JuniorGustabo]

This show always finds a way to disappoint.

[@emii36363]

I’m not expecting their canon relationship post reveal to be healthy since its so screwed up. Marinette has kept so many unnecessary secrets from chat noir/adrien. Its not realistic to put this much burden on herself, she’s not adrien’s wife!! This would be fine if Adriens character didn’t revolve around “Is a sentimonster”. Adrien’s identity crisis from season1-2 was set up and believable; he was already in a controlling family and a product of Gabriel’s behaviour. Now he’s dull, lifeless and marinette’s shadow

[@JesseGolo]

I said something similar in my video: "Why is this fourteen year old this family's emotional buffer?"

[@morganqorishchi8181]

@@JesseGolo On the one hand I do appreciate the show acknowledging Gabe sucks so much that a fourteen year old is more emotionally mature than him. On the other hand, Nathalie is aware of everything Gabe did and is an adult. She should be the one doing the emotional labor in Adrien's life, alongside his mom. It still puts the responsibility on women instead of men, because these writers haven't written any men who are emotionally sound adults, but at least it wouldn't be on a kid. Even bad fanfics avoid making Marinette the emotional mediator of everyone's problems.

[@limelightdebut]

I’ve always thought that it would have been great if they went deeper into her psychological stress as the holder but no. His friends and family could have been worried for her but she still bears it all. It could have been a great lesson, don’t put all this pressure on yourself or share with the ones you love

[@Coffee__Head]

If as an adult the plot has my head spinning how in the hell is a child supposed to understand and comprehend this? Like this feels like we're dipping into Kingdom hearts levels of overly complicated

[@marshy4056]

As a kingdom hearts fan, Not even our lore is this freaking insane. Like, Nomura may be talking out his ass half the time, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as this.

[@xchrysantha]

@@marshy4056 As a fellow Kingdom Hearts fan, I concur. There's a difference between messy and nonsensical.

[@demyx]

Nah nah nah. this is just CRAZY. at least if u look at kingdom hearts in order and learn a few things here and there it makes complete sense 😭

[@genevieve5781]

the general consensus is that the writers apparently have said the show is for those of us who grew up with it i.e. no longer a “kids show”. Where this was said I do not know but it is apparently not written with kids in mind anymore

[@72Worker]

Astruc is trying to make it feel like Marvel Comics or DC. The comics always follow a specific plotline until the arc is over than it resets with changes back to standard. Astruc even puts himself in the series like Marvel comics legend Stan Lee.

[@eternaltann]

i finished season 5 and have now turned back to fanfics because this fandom has infinitely more talented writers than that mess of a show 😭 drop fanfic recs guys!!

[@greeplurch]

Right??? The comic artists are also continuously surprising me with their good writing and excellent humor.

[@eternaltann]

⁠@@greeplurchthe comics from fan artists are so good!! been reading them since i started watching the show

[@solidSnake4580]

Facts.

[@Gabbydabest]

YES! My favourite is thorns of roses ( the masquerade ball ). The artist is so talented and is still posting the story. Some of the fanfics are amazing

[@katanakiwi8832]

yeah, and like, so many I read turned out in the end to have a similar formula, so how the hell did miraculous mess it up so weirdly?? oh right, its miraculous

[@basilhenry-eyo6522]

So true, the person who needed to hear that story was Adrien, not Marinette, when I saw the speech Adrien gave at his dad's statue thing, I was screaming "Bullshit" like why is Adrien kept in the dark, he deserves to know!😭😭😭

[@DanDraws.]

For me, the show isn't what is on screen, its all the badass fanfics and fancomics depicting what should have happened.

[@Idkfangirling]

I have a theory that Astruc, Jeremy, or someone saw the ff realized they were better, then picked the absolute worst ideas to incorporate into the show.

[@DanDraws.]

@@Idkfangirling Oh very much so

[@glamourable]

!!!

[@mrhitech6742]

BBC Merlin moment

[@A-really-cool-Youtube-name]

SHARE YOUR FAVORITES WITH ME PLEASE

[@sixeysemks]

Zoe was such a cop out, I've never seen such lazy writing. Because the writer seems to have a huge vendetta against Chloe, Zoe has as much personality as a bland ricecake, all for the sake of some weird revenge against a character written for no other purpose but to be senselessly abused and inflict abuse.

[@kou7191]

Zoe's backstory doesn't even make sense. She was bullied in school so instead of just transferring or seeking counseling like any normal person, she moves away to Paris with her (at best, neglectful, at worst, abusive) mother who she barely even knows...

[@morganqorishchi8181]

Zoe should've been used to help show us Chloe's redemption. Imagine how cool it would be to see Chloe comforting Zoe after their mom is mean to her, have the two hang out and relax away from all of Audrey's toxic expectations, and then have Chloe complete her redemption arc when Zoe is threatened by an akuma and Chloe goes to fight it without a miraculous because that's her family and she's not going to let anyone hurt her family. It would've been so cool. They could've split alternating the bee miraculous between the two of them to keep Hawkmoth confused about who was using it and been besties. Instead we get more "half siblings hate each other" cliche garbage.

[@baeldaikokuten_yj6792]

@@morganqorishchi8181I doubt that Chloe would learn her lesson

[@sixeysemks]

@@morganqorishchi8181 see, you managed to ameliorate what the series could not over the span of nearly a decade in ONE COMMENT. Bravo, but goes to show that the fandom has better writing in their left pinky alone than the entire writing team.

[@smart.but.stupid]

Also can we talk about her crush on Marinette? It's just so.... pointless There's queer representation and then there's this. Neither JuleRose non MarcNath had genuine shipping moments between them, but Zoe gets an episode of her crush on Marinette which goes...you know, absolutely nowhere. As if this obsessed stalker needed another person to fall for her.

[@mickssparkle7524]

I swear I feel so bad for Adrien in this whole thing; his character, his story, his ENTIRE EXISTENCE is just downright DEPRESSING. Realizing now that my guy just wanted to be free all his life AND THEN FINDING OUT THAT HE'S BEEN A SENTIMONSTER THIS WHOLE TIME MADE ME REALIZED DUDE WAS NEVER FREE IN THE FIRST PLACE. ALL HE WISHED FOR WAS TO BE FREE WITH HIS FRIENDS AND BE HAPPY BUT HE NEVER GOT THAT. HE WAS LEFT OUT, WRITTEN OFF AS IF HE WAS NOT IMPORTANT AT ALL. I NEED JUSTICE FOR MY BOY ADRIEN PLEASE

[@snowwhite5887]

havent watched this series since season 3 or 4 . wow idek all this happened or that he was a sentimonster. bad writing to the max

[@katierasburn9571]

bro adrien was the more interesting character from the damn start and i swear every season they make him more interesting and give him more reason to be the main fucking character and then just sideline him like hes the guy next door and like ???

[@mickssparkle7524]

@@katierasburn9571 Always doing Adrien dirty

[@godabandonedthistimeline]

Was that ghostwritten by Marinette?

[@mildly_edgy4210]

Im so sorry, wtf is a sentmonster? Man this really went off the rails after it was uwu my crush is guy but he's also my secret kick.

[@irene1560]

I never understood why Gabriel sacrificed himself and not Marinette. Through he whole show he was always like "I will bring Emily back so we can be lovers again" and not like "I will bring Emily back so my son can have a mother". How will he be LOVERS with her if he is DEAD? It doesn't make sense. It is obvious throughout this show that his son comes always after Gabriel himself and his deceased wife. Who changed that at the end? THOMAS ASTRUC AND HIS SHITTY WRITING

[@tellarpot.0]

The fucking emojis😭😭

[@kms4829]

How do you even get those emotes

[@irene1560]

its in the emoji icon captioned with "youtube"@@kms4829

[@franciszekdebski5495]

This mater from that last episode was so complicated for me that I neded a video from yt to recognize this mater fully. And as far as I am concerned, Gabriel after being persuated by Marinette stated that he will join Emily in heaven (or what ever Astruc belives is after dead) and he will also bring Nathalie back to live This created a scenario, where: 1. He is with Emily in heaven (I don't think he deserwed it) 2. Truth about him will never comes out to the world (and to Adrien above all), even better, almost everyone thinks that he helped by introducing his aliances and also died when helping to defeat monarch (how ironic) 3. Adrien is now with Marinette and their relationship "can replace" their family as Adrien cannot live hithout her now (but still Gabriel wish can change that...) So, I think yes, this is stupid season ending where world lives in a big LIE, but at least it fits Gabriels ego (partially) I also love how easy is to persuade other person in this universe by one conversation...

[@livlive2742]

​@@tellarpot.0on ❤❤

[@Lumimimi476]

No one hates this show more than its fans 😭😭😭

[@babyxblue]

I literally left the fandom a long time ago but I still watch all the types of vids about it it's like I'm addicted to complaining about this dumpster fire 😭

[@Starz_Catz]

Am I the only one who doesn't hate this show? 😭

[@komorebi3555]

​@@Starz_Catzyeah 💀

[@komorebi3555]

​@@babyxblueSAME I stopped watching after season 3, was still in the fandom season 4 but left completely season 5. I still like watching these videos, they're like my guilty pleasure.

[@7eleven0fficial]

counterclaim: me

[@Prolifer36]

Wait, so they're saying that Gabriel, who has literally been traumatizing his own son and trying to revive his wife for years despite the countless people suffering because of this, is redeemable, but Chloe, a 14 year old girl whose mother neglected her her whole life, is not? HOW DOES THAT WORK?!!

[@staarfall5317]

chloe shouldve 100% been the bee miraculous holder permanently. giving her the miracuous accidentally was a good thing for the show, and the whole drama with her, hawk moth, and miracle queen at the end of season 3 was cool too, but her entire character arc was jjust thrown away bc the writer didnt like her character. she had potential to be much more important in the story and a writer preference is not fair to her. (this is totally not bc i love queen bees design with a passion)

[@miraculousdream7028]

It shouldn't work! Chloe should've been given the redemption arc, not Gabriel!

[@PeeperSnail]

Simple: Chloe is based off of one of Astruc's high school bullies. Being a manchild he never grew past it, so when the rest of the staff tried to do something nice with Chloe he threw a tantrum and made her even worse than her S1 self, to the point she literally got shipped off to the US.

[@mae5167]

✨️Misogyny✨️

[@ethancox9737]

To be fair, a lot of people thought Gabriel was a decent father before he lost his wife in seasons 1 and 2, but his actions later on called that into question.

[@ghost_evermore]

The adrien sentimonster thing was the final nail in the coffin for me. It just takes away so much of what I loved about his character and storyline. You just know astruc saw the theories and just acted like it was supposed to be that way the whole time

[@snowwhite5887]

Yup

[@ruthsantos6845]

It was like a car ser on fire there is no point in looking but you cannot stop

[@martelraykin]

They didn't even try to explain why he was hit by a cataclysm in an episode and didn't go crazy like other sentimonsters

[@riotkitty]

It also destroys canon and makes many things not make sense. - at least two Peacock Wielders should have immediately sensed and found out that Cat Noir was a sentimonster, and they should have surmised it was Adrien, that being Shadowmoth and Myura. They could even have attempted to control him and get him to hand over his Miraculous immediately. Gabriel has found out his son was Cat Noir before in what if episodes and it’s amusing to think that basically he somehow forgot he could command his son to literally do anything. Makes em all look like imbeciles. -Emile supposedly created Adrien 14 years ago with the Peacock yet was perfectly healthy up until 2 years ago in the present of the show but Natalie was on death’s door and died after only a few months of using it. I call hacks on that one. -Kagami supposedly being one also doesn’t make sense, as it was never established that her mother and Gabriel had a close relationship before the Alliance partnership. Least of all “hey do you want me to make you a kid?” relationship. They did not know each other. So yeah, never planned and just slapped in there just cause it sounded cool despite it being contradictory Edit: I realize that also Plagg should’ve been able to sense that Adrien is a sentimonster or at least not human too, canon becomes even more insane with this stupid canonized theory. 🫠

[@martelraykin]

@@riotkitty Emily did not create Felix, Felix's dad did and he died a year after her. So apparently the effects take random time because it's like 13 years for Adrien's mom, 14 for Felix's dad and 2 months for Nathalie

[@PrincipalCellist]

I am forever mad they wrote Luka off the show. What a horrible decision. I get the feeling that this show started off as a no-drama, villian of the week thing for kids, but the creators wanted it it be more. So they started adding a bunch of stuff but failed to make it all follow a cohesive timeline. Now we have this giant mess that I love to hate and makes my brain go "???"

[@Angie_lol]

I hate how gabe STILL gaslighting Adrien from the grave, Adrien deserves to know the truth and the fact he’s not even apart of the S5 finale

[@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482]

GABE DIED?

[@Angie_lol]

@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482 I thought everyone here watched S5 Finale 😨

[@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482]

@@Angie_lol Bruh I haven’t watched any episodes since the S3 Finale why else do you think I’m here watching someone else tell me what happened

[@Crose182]

@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482basically he died and sacrified himself to get the wife back alive again (and nathalie bc she died before hand) and then when he died ladybug/marinette didnt tell adrien OR chat noir about it and she lets him live out his like fantasy of his father in his head. PLEASE watch the p1/p2 finale of season 5 though its WILD. gabriel finds out marinette is ladybug, and marinette finds out that he is hawkmoth its crazy.

[@skywardspine6753]

@@Crose182do you know where I can watch all episodes of season 5 idk where to watch it😭😭

[@lokalcrow1470]

Wow... as someone who has watched all five seasons, you make this show sound so consistent, well-connected, and well-written. No one can understand the many ways this show bends backwards every episode to make everything make sense until you watch it. Edit: Thanks for this by the way, it was very fun and I had forgotten half the plot leading up to the finale 🙃

[@dariusbrown7870]

Exactly! I was thinking “this sounds too perfect in its explanation” because the conveyance in the show wasn’t nearly as smooth.

[@thejoel1012]

I quit halfway around season 5 and this explanation is unhinged itself. I’m scared to know what the actual season is like

[@butterflyindisguise3838]

@@thejoel1012 the second half of season 5 is crazy. so much shit went down 😂

[@Soloee_]

As someone who used to read a lot of mlb fanfic, nothing I read felt more like crazy fanfic than the actual show itself.

[@Theawesomeninja_XD]

Haha same. Honestly, many fanfic writers write better than this.

[@marichatfangirlfandom9690]

Frr I was thinking of going back to reading fanfic so I could feel better from the this shit show

[@RoseQuartz692]

@@marichatfangirlfandom9690 This is a good show

[@QUIET7447]

Can we talk about how every time Gabe found out that Adrian was cat noir he tried to akumatize him? Adrian got his heart broken and he gave him an alliance saying that he’ll be even more powerful.💀

[@VoidXNullBrawl]

I mean.. only exception is on the movie but other than that, Yeah..

[@sofiapanagoulias1289]

i was obsessed with this show since it first came up until like 4 years after, and now I literally can’t bear to watch it anymore bc of how absolutely ridiculous it got

[@numbermumber7382]

That's why most of us left after the chloe redemption arc was obliterated.

[@numbermumber7382]

Funnily enough, at least for me, Chat Blanc, 3-22 it was I think, still remains the best episode of the entire series. And the worst. Cuz it could have been something alike the season's finale and take either an hour of screentime or be a special altogether. Does this mean that the peak of show was at the end of the third season?

[@smallentales317]

Ikr, *continues to watch only in the fact that it is so terrible *

[@killercurrentdotink]

Ridiculous Ladybug

[@VioletAmeythst8652]

@@smallentales317 And I thought I was the only one who did this

[@mr.meowywoo]

Nobody gonna talk about how you are so good at describing the whole show?? that was an emotional rollercoaster for me I felt like I just watched the entire show.

[@ruthsantos6845]

Yeah she makes it sound waaaay more interesring that it probably is i left it in season 2 and a half because of all the filler 😅😅😅

[@not_urgirl]

Where can u watch it on? I want to start watching it again

[@adrenalineactivate]

​@@not_urgirlDisney+

[@not_urgirl]

@@adrenalineactivate sad, I'm too poor for that 😔😔

[@virenderkaur9038]

Yep!!!

[@shady5733]

Literally anyone could write this story so much better than Tom could. I am livid that I didn’t get to see that finale that you made. It would’ve SO satisfying and emotional!! Literally so much potential and Tom just destroyed it all.

[@MangoCream774]

Someone on instagram made a comment about the finale; adrien was an ACTUAL VICTIM OF ABUSE, and as he FINALLY starts to realize it and build up courage to defend himself after not doing so for multiple seasons, Gabriel dies and is forced to see a statue of his abuser with EVERYONE, including adrien, being told the lie that gabriel is a hero

[@Nic-hf4ue]

I usually don’t like reboots but I think a Miraculous reboot should happen. Idec if the designs are trash I’ll watch it as long as it’s a better story than whatever Astruc tried to do. I can’t believe the movie with just AN HOUR! Was able to make a better MLB story than the show could ever.

[@peacefulchaos333]

I think a reboot is the only thing that could save the show at this point

[@hailey857]

And in the anime style they planned to do. :’(

[@clutterbot7279]

An anime-style reboot would settle the years of disappointment I’ve had about this show oml. Kinda wish some great writers in the fandom would just all band together to plan out a re-hash of the entire show lmAO. Bonus points if full of ACTUAL good things to teach to children unlike the toxic mess this show seems to encourage.

[@RainbowKidDoesThings]

there's a user who's name is Artistic Aloubell who's making a ML Rewrite called "Bonds Beyond Fate" and it's really good!!

[@marichatfangirlfandom9690]

​@@RainbowKidDoesThingsare they on yt?

[@GapingGorble]

People were already criticizing the fact that Marinette and Gabriel don't really have any sort of relationship, so the only dramatic weight of them finding out each other's identities is how Adrien would feel about it. And now we finally get the reveal and Adrien *isn't even there* and *never gets to find out* Amazing writing, 10/10 🤦‍♂ It's like they knew they already jumped the gun with Chat Blanc so they just didn't bother

[@lesyeuxdeniiniii]

PFFT LMAO why is this so accurate

[@MaltianStudiosOfficial]

Um he probably will next season

[@virenderkaur9038]

Yep.👍🏼👌🏽

[@obli475]

You are a life saver because ive had such a hard time with this show. It started out with me trying to learn French, and then caring too much about it's bad writing at times(so much so that I watched 3 seasons in a row), and then giving up and watching strictly spoiler videos. This was what I needed.

[@namtellectjoonal7230]

you know when you lose interest in a show and later you're curious what became of it but not curious enough to watch the rest? Yeah. Thanks for the video, it really helped me out in fulfilling my mild curiousity

[@Theawesomeninja_XD]

Relatable

[@Doritoschiplivingthebestlife]

Relatable

[@NoelJohnCarlo]

Relatable

[@AmbroseSimpson]

What the three guys above me said.

[@MicyPie]

The entire reason why I watched this:

[@owotheewe1953]

Adrien should have more involvement in the story than Marinette, his literal family made the whole plot and they still left him out wtf. Shouldn't Adrien know the entire truth about everything? He's the emotional center and he should have been the one to change HIS FATHER'S mind or talk to him. This show is so dumb omfg

[@davinaallinson5166]

Literally thiss

[@theotherwayaround621]

Adrien shouldn't have been a deutragonist if they don't wanna do something with his character.

[@Gatekid3]

adrien looking his father in the eye, and him ordering him to give him his miraculous would have been such a gut punch. i loved your rewrite

[@user-ladybug293]

I am quite satisfied with the final

[@Gatekid3]

@@user-ladybug293 ive seen many are fine with the finale as is. but to me it just does too many weird things fore me to be happy with

[@maiveau]

Literally watched your video because it was the exact recap that I needed… also your alternate ending to the finale is SO MUCH BETTER! That is honestly “how it should have ended”. Also please don’t sell yourself short! You’re an amazing writer!

[@TimeturnerJ]

I gave up on the hope of this show ever having good writing years ago, but this finale is still a new level of disappointment. I knew Astruc didn't respect Chat Noir as a character, but to not even let him have any sort of part in the conclusion of his own main character conflict that was built up _for five bloody seasons_ is a slap in the face. Not only that, he doesn't even get to _find out_ about it. It's so bad. Every single Miraculous fanfic I've ever read has handled this topic better than the actual show, but what else is new.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

It honestly manages to disrespect both Adrien and Marinette. Marinette has to live with a ton of secrets that are deeply traumatizing without a partner to lean on to work through it. Adrien isn't being told the truth and isn't being treated as an equal. Neither of them are going to be able to work through what happened and move forward psychologically as a result. This ending actually screws over both of them. It's *that* bad.

[@MaltianStudiosOfficial]

I’m pretty sure he will find out at season 6 episode 1

[@NathasyaStellaHermanus]

@@MaltianStudiosOfficial Ho ho ho, you naive child. You surely underestimate Astruct's ability to dissapoint us every single time

[@Frostfern94]

@@NathasyaStellaHermanusAstruc isn’t in charge anymore, Jeremy Zag is

[@Name-d2t]

@@Frostfern94 No, Astruc said recently he is still working on the story and even has more power than before. Zag only writes the story for the movies

[@Froggy_Wig]

I wanna thank you in the name of all of the Ladybug fans that got tired of the series, you're a queen

[@Scoobleydoobley]

I cried so much watching the last episode because it was so heartbreaking how much Gabriel was being praised. This is within the same episode he put his son in a cell and emotionally tortured him until he wore the alliance. My man even threw in a Foosball table to amplify the loneliness of the isolation.

[@okerejoy1860]

I know right!. Too many inconsistencies and plot holes

[@lilah8801]

Tbh the amount of disbelief that one must be able to suspend in order to get through this show in it's entirety has gotta be astronomical, hats off to you for taking one for the team ig 😭

[@ishathakor]

i can't believe they sidelined chloe like that. she could've had such a fun "redemption" arc (i mean.. shes just a bitchy high schooler its not the worst thing). i wanted to see her become real friends with marinette and co

[@morinomajou]

Chloe's character arc crawled so Amity's could sprint--

[@LivesInHerBooks]

A 14 year old girl who has been neglected by her parents in different ways being a bitch: Yep, this is a terrible person who is past the point of redemption A grown man who legit fights kids and neglects his own son and caused so much pain for an entire city for a long time: AH YES THIS IS SO HEROIC. HE GETS REDEEMED THE LAST SECOND

[@Chaoticaddy]

Astruc literally set up a redemption arc for her just to drop it?? Like why???

[@geoffreygoncalves931]

​@@LivesInHerBooksNo, Gabriel never got redemmed. Watch the episode again but this is NOT a redemption. And the trope of the blond bitch getting redeemed as been used for countless shows. Not only Chloe falling back to her old habits subvert the expectations, it tells a different story while keeping the character in character. Chloe did showed signs but it didn't mean it was a garentee. Plus the more time passes, the more she felt intitled to her hero status and started bragging about it and pulled a tantrum at the end of the season because it didn't go her way. And all that is in character.

[@FeyPhantom]

If you have to write boys/men out of your story to have 'female power!', you're not writing it properly. My sister introduced me to this show and I pointed out that, in the first episode I watched, Ladybug had to save Chat Noir 2 separate times. Making the male characters useless/irrelevant doesn't do anything to showcase how awesome the girls/women are. But then again, in season 5 they actually made almost every adult character trash (with the exception of Natalie) in order for the kids to seem cunning (like Chloe and Lila whose plans only went forward on the idiocy and despicableness of many adults).

[@megastormy497]

Black cats are bad luck ladybugs are good luck. Maronite out of costume is unlucky (clumsy) Adrian is the opposite

[@babyxblue]

Not to mention that the whole message was supposed to be that their miraculous represent creation and destruction, and therefore one needs the other to keep the world balanced. Unfortunately they fucked it up

[@adrenalineactivate]

Tbh I don't think the "chat noir was save 2 time which means this show is a bad representation for media" but I think it go against the trope "men save women". Almost EVERY SINGLE TIME there's a "women save men" somehow the men will save the women again to make it "even" just to show that "nah this women ain't THAT good". Like why can't a women be the prince charming without having to be save later on? Ofc I still think it's ridiculous that they make chat noir so bad a few episode onward

[@FeyPhantom]

@adrenalineactivate Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Chat Noir being saved twice in the first episode I watched equated it to a bad show. That stood out to me because it was part of a much longer conversation I've had with my sister about how media has slowly degraded male characters over time in order to "raise" female characters, which I personally feel is just going to hurt men (and achieving equality) in the long run (we've gone from ditzy women or women who always need to be saved to idiot men - started around the time of The Simpsons - and here the boy often needing to be saved). If I don't like the trope of the girl always having to be rescued, why should I like it reversed? I personally want to see more actual equality in media, and I think it's a responsibility of creators to do that, especially when they're touting that that's what they're going for. It just becomes a harmful trope otherwise if it's repeated over and over across different media, so it rubs me the wrong way when I see it in children's programming.

[@inershareaville9206]

Like I always say, if you have to tear down men to make women look better, what does that say about the writers?

[@aashnaabc]

I think the reason Felix and Kagami needed Ladybug's help was to stop the overall madness of Monarch and the fact that Gabriel and Tsurgi kept both Adrien and Kagami like prisoners

[@tuhinkumarkole]

That makes sence but what doesn't make sence is how mari was so dumb in the last episode

[@Howaboutyes11]

@@tuhinkumarkoleno the reason that didn’t make sense is why didn’t Felix and Kagami help 💀

[@redram6080]

​​@@Howaboutyes11especially Felix who had a miraculous the whole time

[@Howaboutyes11]

@@redram6080 Fr! Like he wasn’t in the finale, I mean except for the end but he was acting like he did smth 💀

[@arash.a2358]

​@@Howaboutyes11felix missed the part where its his problem 😂

[@naksu6344]

I love your alternate ending!Sounds so much more satisfactory than what we got imo. It really made no sense to me why Adrien was left out of the final fight with Monarch, HIS OWN FATHER. Just when I thought he’s finally gonna have more character development, they took it all away. His lil speech at the end of season 4 was so cool and got me so hyped! He finally looked more reliable than ever before as Chat Noir, and finally moved on from his unrequited love for Ladybug. As Adrien, he finally realized how important Marinette is to him. But alas, he got screwed over in the later half or so of season 5, even tho most part of the story surrounds his character. He could’ve maybe broken free of his father’s control, proving he’s more than just a sentimoneter with the help of his new found love for Marinette or something along that line. I was hoping that Adrien, along with Felix and Kagami, aren’t full sentimonsters, cus the fact that they can be robbed of their free will and even die if the rings are damaged isn’t sitting right with me. Oh and worst of all, they screwed up the love square so bad. Although a lot happened between the two, what I find the most saddening is that AdriNette finally happened, but all the bs that was happening sometimes took away the fun and excitement. And for what? so that Adrien can sleep in a room while Marinette does everything and hands him his “freedom” at the end. Like what?!?! Makes me wonder why the show even has Chat Noir in the title. Also, I fear that with how thing currently are, Lila might use the info she got from Nathalie to ruin Ladybug’s reputation in the future, and maybe even mess up her relationship with Adrien and/or Chat Noir.

[@yazzyxoxo]

no one hates this show more than its own fanbase

[@miraculousdream7028]

Agreed

[@Nahobussyino]

This show’s fanbase is the fallout of animated TV shows 💀

[@jonelrobinsom5911]

@@miraculousdream7028 Agreed 💯

[@rayvaul3539]

When in doubt, fanfiction is there for you! 😃 I’m planning on making a post-nuclear apocalypse/Fallout and zombie-esque fanfic where the Miraculous world devolves into a nuclear war and the story centers around Chloe, Luka, and some other characters and a collection of OCs.

[@lenastorm6280]

31:42 Tiny correction: Lila didn't cut of her hair. She had short hair and brown eyes this whole time and was only wearing a wig & contact-lenses.

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

what the hail

[@chevotebenado]

What really o m g

[@Hysteriette]

no...

[@octoberking4048]

But like, why?

[@AschKris]

And Lila is a fake name

[@user-oi2ef1fc9o]

One thing that grinds my gears is the fact that adriens smarts never actually come into play. He is almost always played as “the dumb blond” when he is also canonically smart af. The only time his smarts do come into play is when it’s played for laughs. Also I feel as though making it so adrien is the only one who can destroy where an akuma is hiding, while marinette can only purafiy would really just even out the whole sidekick and main hero thing.

[@SomeSadKnickFan]

The big villain to the red spandex wearing swinging bug themed superhero is revealed to be your best friends/boyfriends father and then he tells you not to tell him about his villainous deeds as he dies in a climatic final battle… Spider-Man 1 handled this so much better

[@aoto8897]

Here’s a plot hole for season 5 finale. If Adrien can’t know who Monarch is, Then what stops Ladybug from telling Cat Noir of Monarch identity?

[@boredasf4856]

Nothing, she just knows how sad Adrien will be after finding out hid dad was a villian. Cause Gabriel begged her not to tell him..

[@aoto8897]

@@boredasf4856 You missed the point… Ladybug does not know Cat Noir’s identity. meaning why wouldn’t she spill the beans to her partner?

[@cartoonishidealism582]

Since when has Ladybug ever told Cat Noir anything important

[@aoto8897]

@@cartoonishidealism582 I mean, he has to know to what happened to the main villain that they have been fighting for 5 seasons. So why wouldn’t she tell Cat Noir?

[@cartoonishidealism582]

@@aoto8897 Oh I agree. I'm just making a joke about how Ladybug never tells Cat Noir anything important. But yeah I'm 90% sure they're just not gonna address it next season, or they'll just brush it off.

[@liateapot2313]

Miraculous Lady bug is a prime example of the writers severely lacking life experience and aren't doing the research to make up for it. Literally feels like a bunch hurt adults who never got over the petty childhood things from just living far too comfortably without real conflict, and just does not realised how privileged they are for this. Only sees the spilled baby milk

[@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213]

Ffffffook, your comment isnt a roast, its an napalm strike. Daaayyyum!!! But youre not wrong. The writers are probably like this.

[@gabes3dworldofficial]

It's not the writers fault it's the horrible company they have to work for. Don't blame them

[@hotleafjuice2970]

​@@gabes3dworldofficial I mean have you seen astruc's tweets?? The way he answer to the fans is meh

[@gabes3dworldofficial]

@hotleafjuice2970 astruct is the company, not a writer again, not the writers fault astruct sucks.

[@Yami-mugoni613]

@@gabes3dworldofficialhe clearly is a writer since he REWROTE nice chole

[@nonomoosee]

I feel like the seasons went the same way that star vs. the forces of evil went. there was so much potential with the plot points they set up in the first seasons, but then it dragged along, the villains got progressively worse, the mc’s got dumber, and even the romance storyline wasn’t as great as it could’ve been. I really hope that someday after the show ends that it’ll get remade with better writers, because the fandom definitely deserves better, and if there’s any show with the potential to be made better with the pre-existing story it’s this one

[@babyxblue]

I haven't watched the movie yet, but judging by the trailer it already seems SO MUCH BETTER than the show. It really gave me hope that they could make a reboot one day with a better storyline

[@Vigriff]

@@babyxblue Same, especially since Astruc is no longer going to be around to continue his rampage on his own creation any longer.

[@leonienuhn4571]

lol gabiel pulled a Dumbledore. like when Dumbledore put on the ring and died slowly too, hiding it, just like gabriel hides the cataclysm wound, and both have a trusted one who knows their sectets and is angry at them

[@FrogPrincessMagicMack]

Taking this all in as a recap for someone who has only ever seen a few episodes at a children's orthodontist for my little siblings, this was just WILD to me. The fact that there will never be a moment of closure between Adrian and Gabriel knowing eachothers identities makes me physically ANGRY and I'm not even a fan. I can't imagine what y'all went through, especially since I constantly hear the "nobody hates miraculous more than it's fans" phrase.

[@xchrysantha]

Thank you for your understanding😭 I'm not gonna lie, I'm hoping that there will be some reversal of this whole thing. For one thing, THERE ARE STILL TWO MORE SEASONS LEFT. SO FAR. For another thing, the movie had a completely alternate ending where he DOES get to see Gabriel. I'm so fucking confused man, I love this show and fuck this show at the same time.😭😭😭

[@MakiZenin__]

“Following marinettes advice really helps!” Kagami: 👁️👄👁️ Felix: 👁️👄👁️

[@piperguzman4140]

Its so interesting to see how different Thomas and Jeremy handle miraculous and the characters in general. Especially Adrien.

[@babyxblue]

Something that I loved about the movie trailer is that Ladybug and Cat Noir seemingly have a bickering relationship and Master Fu has to tell them that they need to unite in order to be stronger. So this already fixes the "Cat Noir being treated as a sidekick" problem.

[@craigyeah1052]

anyone else see this comment and read 'Tom and Jerry' for a second?

[@vaguevillainy]

@@craigyeah1052 I didn't but now I can't unsee it 🫠

[@babyxblue]

@@craigyeah1052 ok that's kinda funny-

[@a-s-greig]

Tom, the Cat, who destroys what he touches. Jerry, the Mouse, who can do everything himself.

[@ervinmustafa3385]

I love how she knows mostly everyone stopped watching after season 3 and it’s not even cause it was bad because the season 3 ending was amazing

[@turtleyawesome7233]

Did anyone else feel like Natalie was more in love with Emile than Gabe. Cuz that's how I felt. Especially as she only really showed interest in protecting Adrien rather than caring for Gabriel.

[@kou7191]

I think they retconned her in season 5 because before that Natalie was very visibly infatuated with Gabe. Sure, she has every reason to be mad at him *now* after he had the opportunity to heal her (and Emilie) and chose not to, but they made it seem like she was *always* doing it for Emilie/Adrien's sake, as if she never cared for Gabe in the first place.

[@graciandhercats]

Personally I headcanon that she was in love with both of them. She just mourned more properly and was therefore not completely obsessed with bringing Emilie back. And then when Gabriel got more desperate, she realized that he was being completely selfish. She rid herself of the idea that Emilie would be coming back and that’s why she seemed to care so much more about Emilie in the end

[@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482]

@@graciandhercatsNatalie our bisexual polyamorous queen

[@Ijustateacoinz]

@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482 yes 🤩🤩

[@yairennyr]

13:08 I really like the idea of Gabriel being in absolute DENIAL to the fact that Adrien could just be an incel

[@roxanne_]

Like father like son

[@Chimeleyh]

It’s crazy to me that everyone writes Astruc’s show better than he does

[@AvatarTay70]

FACTS!!! As a writer myself, the writing in the actual show makes my head hurt because it's just so irrationally playe out that I ended up quitting. When I check out fan content that I found over time, they immediately intrigue me because they ACTUALLY have a story to them. So if I had to pick the series or fan stories....I'd choose the fan stories without hesitation. Heck, I haven't seen the new movie yet and already it looks better than the show.

[@ZoeNightshade_HunterOfArtemis]

@@AvatarTay70I’m confused about the new movie, was Astruc* involved in the making? Or does he only participate when Disney is doing it. This movie is a Netflix movie which is why I’m confused.

[@cormano64]

@@ZoeNightshade_HunterOfArtemis "Astrid". XD

[@ZoeNightshade_HunterOfArtemis]

@@cormano64 OOP AUTOCORRECT

[@pinklov4447]

DEADASS

[@charliehorse8401]

I will not step off of this hill, because Thomas wanted to have a Little temper tantrum he decided to character assassinate Chloe! She was heading towards an awesome redemption arc! But because Chloe was based off a little childhood bully that Thomas had, he decided "no, I can't be an actual adult and just make a good story, everything's about me and me getting what I wanted me getting my pay back against my bully who's grown up and I now and is also an adult and probably has kids of her own, so this character I based off of my CHILDHOOD BULLY is going to be completely irredeemable DESPITE her being the victim of abuse by her mother and clearly she just needs a few decent people in her life to guide her on the right path." Thomas just a bad person, there's a reason we all stopped watching after Chloe's character assassination. And let's not forget about the racist stereotype, key made. Let's not forget about him putting Marinette in a freaking barrel naked. LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT HIM PASSING-OFF MARINETTE'S OBSESSIVE STALKING AS COMPLETELY NORMAL AND HEALTHY WHEN THE KID LITERALLY BROKEN TO ADRIAN'S HOUSE AND SNIFFED HIS PILLOW, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO FIRE THOMAS!!

[@pedanticat9479]

Season 3 is what made me quit the show and everything I've read/heard makes me glad I did cause this show is just awful. The season 5 finale especially pissed me with off with Gabriel whole "Please don't tell Adrien I was a villain" BS along with him being remembered as a hero to all of Paris for some bizzare reason.

[@baeldaikokuten_yj6792]

Season 3 made me continue watching the show because I want to know what happens next

[@smart.but.stupid]

Exactly. A horrendously unsatisfying conclusion. I mean with the whole revelation thing it would've been rather cliche, but to be honest - maybe cliche is what these series need to become better.

[@kara-mari9909]

spiderman 2 type beat

[@Etherealzyo]

Same

[@sonianevermind7258]

Season 5 ep 2 made me stop watching it -They just let hawkmoth torturing the miraculous -while they deal with lila shit instead of planning how to get them back

[@Gracie-tk2zh]

That was fucking traumatic to hear. I’m so upset that Adrien will probably never know about his father, his actual origin, and how his mother’s CORPSE WAS UNDERNEATH HIS HOUSE. Also WHY WAS CAT NOIR NOT THERE AT THE FINAL BATTLE WITH MONARCH LIKE UGH IT MAKES ME SO UPSET!!! I’m genuinely so upset at the writers. My boy deserved so much more than what they gave him. I know we gave him a lot of shit for his “she’s just a friend” and him being oblivious for three seasons straight but man do I wish he got better. (Also what happened to my baby Luca he was my favorite 😭)

[@kimmka9571]

I would say, if it was Chinese or Korean dorama, they could use this as plot point to some deep drama between Marinett amd adrian, if he ever find out. If M and A ever to find out each other identity and if she would not told him right this instant about his father, I think it is freaking betrayal. But I don't know if creators of lady bag has balls. Truth too be told, it is very severe situation, adrian basically killed his father, however unintentionally

[@DragonGoddess18]

I hated the fact that Gabe was hailed as hero,Andre got a redemption and yet Chloe just.. didn't I don't like Chloe but even I agree that the double standards on this is annoying

[@morganqorishchi8181]

Astruc has said he based Chloe on someone who bullied him in school. Which I get, bullying sucks, but like... Hawkmoth's akumas murdered people, he ruined people's lives, he was mind-controlling his son and he was an emotionally abusive father. He's objectively a worse person than a bully. Even if you don't like Chloe, we should all agree Gabe is the worse person here. I think that Astruc is just unable to accept that whoever bullied him wasn't the worst person on Earth and he's projecting that onto Chloe. He needs to move on.

[@NothingPerson44]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@morganqorishchi8181. Now that I think about it, you’re right. You make an excellent point there. I understand that you want to make a person related to someone with potential that you had dealt with in real life (especially if it was as mean and abusive as Chloe), but I don’t think some writers like Thomas realize that there could be so many people out there that are so much worse than those who were mean to them in real life. A bully from school is one thing, but have you not heard of criminals, murderers, scammers, or other kinds of malicious people? Don’t you think that those kinds of people out there in the world make you think, “you know, my bully ain’t that bad”? Which in this show’s scenario, yes, I understand, Chloe can be crowned as one of the worst bullies you can possibly imagine in school at least. But keep in mind that the main antagonist himself, Gabriel Agreste (HawkMoth/ShadowMoth/Monarch) throughout all five seasons has hurt a huge population of Paris and has put a lot of citizens in danger and life-threatening situations (including babies) just to get the two things that he’s been wanting for the longest time. He’s murdered so many, he has ruined so many people’s lives, he completely hypnotizes his own son into thinking he loves him and that he is a good father when he really isn’t, he hardly ever lets Adrien do the things that he loves anymore or do the things that make him happy and liberated, including hanging out with his bestest friends and dating Marinette, he never listens to Natalie about quitting the whole villainy thing and spending more time with him, etc etc. Gabe is like most wanted enemy number one in this show and has done so much harm and threat into Paris that I personally think he should be executed for it if it was in real life. And just rewatching and analyzing all that Gabe did contrasting from all that Chloe did, it all makes Chloe kind of a good guy, or a secondary antagonist that can easily turn into a good guy once realizing its harm, accepting the consequences, showing remorse, and willing to make changes and sacrifices. And at this point, I really don’t understand why Chloe didn’t get or completed the redemption arc that she rightfully deserved, but Gabe did. That was one of the things that severely pissed me off from this finale. Chloe I feel like had a lot more good guy potential than Gabe ever did. Even when she was with Ladybug back in Season Two and half of Season Three, I saw it in her eyes that she wants to change. But of course, because of Thomas’ thoughts and intentions of her character contrasted with Gabe’s, she was completely destroyed, and now we all have come to this big pile of a mess. So sorry for this long of a text. Cheers to you for reading this much. I hope I made sense with this. And if you did read this, I appreciate you and I hope you have a great day/night!

[@NothingPerson44]

And wait, now that I think about it, wasn’t Gabe the whole reason why Chloe inadvertently became a full-on accomplice/reliable villain to him? Because in the Miracle Queen episode, I think I remember that Gabe must have brainwashed Chloe into thinking that Ladybug was never going to let her fight with her again and that she will never trust her again. I get it that Ladybug/Marinette has some regret and is really careful about trusting Chloe to fighting and protecting Paris because of what she did in the Queens Battle episodes, but I am pretty sure Gabe purposely reminded Chloe about all of these things just to weaken her devotion and dedication to Ladybug. Like a true villain you would say. Because it was mentioned in the earlier before that episode that Ladybug was protecting Chloe for her own safety because of the dangers that Gabe can do to her since he knows everything. AND CHLOE HERSELF UNDERSTOOD AND ACCEPTED IT, AND WAS CONFIDENT THAT SHE’LL BE NEEDED AGAIN! And then Gabe had to come and mess it all up! And I thought Chloe would be stronger than that because of the way she rejected the akuma in “Miraculer” for getting so angry for the same reason: Ladybug not showing up. So now that makes me think that not only did the writers themselves messed up Chloe’s redemption from Miracle Queen, but now I also think that it was also poor writing from the main antagonist’s character too. Just a new theory that I came up with even though I’m pretty sure that that was already a thing.

[@jourdanfarquharson4697]

​@@NothingPerson44Technically one of those if they dont bother my life then they cool type of guy.

[@JuniorGustabo]

The writing of this show is a joke.

[@N.River37]

Everyone's lucky that Chat got turned into a different villain in Ephemeral. If it was Chat Blanc, he would've just boomed the universe again lol

[@TheDBPhantom]

the s5 finale was SO insulting. I'd been watching since s1, i remember waiting for new episodes to drop and watching them in my HS library. it makes me so sad to see what's happened to the show.

[@TheDBPhantom]

i loved your version of the ending! god i still can't believe they just wrote adrien out completely. it was HIS family's story!! WTF! Your version was so much better, bravo!

[@lilimorgan-k5p]

SAME

[@Jills.]

do you know the last episode number because they only have up to 20 episodes on disney plus and idk how else to finish the season. or do you know where else to watch it

[@hp8167]

It's funny because the target audience was upset by this too. I watched with my niece (8) and she was upset that Gabriel effectively won by tricking Marinette and was seen by a hero. She said it was "unfair" and didn't like how Chat Noir wasn't there for the final fight, I found myself agreeing. Otherwise, as usual there were some interesting writing choices. Felix was honestly the stand out character given how he actively drove, the plot forward and just how smart he was. I hope the wish has lasting consequences on the world and we don't just get shoved into Lila as the main villain cause if nothing is wrong with this new world then what was the point? And the fact that Adrien will never get to realize his father terrorized Paris, put him in harms way as Adrien (getting thrown off the building) and Chat Noir, and the entire Emilie thing is so messed up when this part of the identity reveal has been teased multiple times. For S4 to make his arc look like it was going somewhere...this was such a waste.

[@DragonGoddess18]

What I hate about the finale is that Marinette is lying to Adrien about his dad, saying he was a "hero" Gabe willingly abused him for too long and only Marinette's feelings matter,not Adrien's

[@morganqorishchi8181]

The show's creator has said he sees Marinette and Adrien as having an ideal relationship. I'm very concerned for this man now. Does he think an ideal woman lies to her significant other? Does he want a woman to lie to make him happy? The implications are wild.

[@sixeysemks]

It's honestly no different than an abuse victim being told that their abuser was in fact a hero meant to be revered. What little resolve Adrien could have gathered to admit his father was not a good person to him would be OBLITERATED by the one person he loves and trusts besides Gabe telling him the opposite for the sake of what? Saving the face of a man hellbent to harm his own son for his selfish needs?

[@catboypride]

AN IDEAL RELATIONSHIP???????? SHES A STALKER

[@user-ladybug293]

fool, didn't you think that the truth could hurt Adrian and he would blame himself for the rest of his life because he killed his father and that he lived with him under the same roof. Moreover, Gabriel personally asked Marinette not to tell anyone, especially her son, the truth, otherwise there will be cat blanc 2. I think that Marinette did the right thing, even if it’s not good to hide such a secret, she just doesn’t want to hurt him

[@DragonGoddess18]

@@user-ladybug293 The truth is going to come out, and finding out that everyone involved knew the truth except Adrien himself,WILL hurt him

[@bory8871]

Never before have i been so invested in a video about a show I’ve never seen before

[@angie.castle]

Bruh, I could go HOURS on how Marinette pisses me off her with hypocritical and dumb decision making. Like, Adrian makes a better protagonist to follow than she does

[@lifekindasucksrn6442]

It makes NO sense that Marinette still gets 100s on every test and is a model student that was class president for a while. She is a superhero?? With a part time job at the bakery?? That constantly attends all of her friends’ events?? That sketches designs and has hobbies?? That is chronically late?? With bullies that constantly distract her learning environment?? And awful teachers?? And when the plot is convenient she struggles at school and school projects while Adrien is literally organized by someone that is paid to schedule things for him. Sure he has just as many responsibilities but also he has tons of tutors and help and remains organized with Nathalie AND he is constantly seen sacrificing his social life for the sake of his responsibilities AND he canonically happens to be a physics whiz?????? HOW is Adrien as Chat noir supposedly an idiot, far weaker than the strategic genius that is ladybug, when it literally defies all logic for Marinette to be good at school????? And Adrien is a better fencer (and by extension, fighter- especially because he is an athlete that has to train every day, AT FIGHTING?????- also when he’s pissed, he fights extremely well). Literally HOW is Adrien the weaker link?????

[@sixeysemks]

@@lifekindasucksrn6442 not to mention Marinette has never even once been shown to open a book to actually study. When she transforms into Lady Noir, she is so awfully belligerent to Mr. Bug over every little thing, despite her most often needing Chat's help to execute her plans??? And of the two, Chat is most often the more level headed/ rational one anyway because we see that Chat has NEVER abused his ability to tranform for personal use nor disclosed his identity, nor given away his miraculous, unlike Ladybug, who has done all of that, and transformed multiple times not out of necessity but to bully people she doesn't like (Lila, Chloe), possibly wasting her miraculous timer if a real catastrophe were to happen??? So how in the WORLD is Chat the irresponsible one?! And Chat has saved her multiple times, going as far as to put his life on the line, AND or getting inadvertently akumatised, just for Ladybug to downplay and ridicule him because she supposedly did "most of the work" despite the fact that Chat is the one who most often ends up in direct confrontation with the enemy while Ladybug runs around executing a ridiculous plan with spotted toilet paper or something. Should've been Adrien. He had way more potential to explore how he grows as a person and sets himself on a path of breaking free from his father's influence, possible even moving out of the house at one point or running away, and gradually building up his development until Chat Noir doesn't become a silly alter ego, but basically merges as a part of the person he was suppressing the entire time to please his father. Imagine a lighthearted and free Adrien who finally gets to do all the rebellious things he never got to do before. Ugh SO MUCH POTENTIAL.

[@smart.but.stupid]

I'm sorry, but Adrien is now just an arm-candy of her highness queen of Mary Sues (even though the termin is outdated I can't call Marinette anything else but a Mary Sue 😔) So, he isn't/ain't gonna be a protagonist, even though he deserved it. Season 5 completely erased his personality and character motivation.

[@kelvisaisawesome]

@@sixeysemksso trueee I gotta say I love this analysis. It’s not often fans actually understand the characters and plot of a story. But you and everyone here does and it’s making heart flutter

[@sixeysemks]

@@kelvisaisawesome totally agree! It's exhilarating!

[@HobieInTheBox]

I still refuse to believe that Adrien and Felix were always supposed to be sentimonsters. I feel like Astruc saw the theories and decided to run with it because the fandom is more creative than he could ever be. And Adrien being a sentimonster just ruins his entire character, takes away his humanity and everything 40:45 Also how come the senti-kids are alive in the rewritten world?? How does that work??

[@geoffreygoncalves931]

How exactly does it take away Adrien, Félix and Kagami humanity ? It's like an A. I. story, with the artificial life wanting to be like everyone, make their choices without being manipulated and wanting to be free. And it double as a symbolic of mental abuse. The whole point of the season 3 episode "Ladybug" was to show the peacock could create life as a human being with real emotions. With the knowledge of this power, the state of Émilie and the latter confirmation that she couldn't bear life it was easy to see and logical to deduce.

[@ghost_evermore]

@@geoffreygoncalves931​because before, his story was about mental abuse, and now its a convoluted magical metaphor for mental abuse. It hit way harder when it was direct. Also, if adrien was being controlled the whole time, then how much of his character is actually him anyway? It just makes you wonder what the point was

[@HobieInTheBox]

@@ghost_evermore THIS thank you, couldn't have said it better myself

[@gabes3dworldofficial]

Because my friends say the wish was for the peacock miraculous to never be damaged. That's why Natalie is better, and Emile is alive

[@PeeperSnail]

Big agree. Everytime I mentioned this I’d get swarmed by a swath of defensive fans going “BUT THE AMOKS ARE THEIR OWN PERSON SENTIMONSTER IS A BAD TERM” and they never changed my mind. The show depicts how easy it is for sentimonsters to be controlled and disposed of. Peacock wielders are shown being able to sense sentimonsters. And most importantly, the show originally established Gabriel’s abuse of Adrien was a realistic depiction of domestic abuse. Having it suddenly veer to “oh but Adrien is a feather that follows orders near flawlessly uwu” is so fucking gross.

[@katsu_vb5087]

It made me so mad how the whole Felix, Adrien and Kagami being centimonsters was just talked over for like half an episode when it is such an important part of the characters development. Like, i have so many questions! Why can centimonsters be miraculous holders? Wouldn't kwamis be able to sense that kind of non-human nature, since they are beings created by another kwamis power. How did Kagami end up being a centimonster? How long has her mother known about Gabriel's identity for that to be possible. How come Marinette, who is known to be dramatic and to hold grudges, so easily forgive and glorify her boyfriends father who had not only been tormenting his son and her, but also putting all of Paris in danger for years? Why does a grown ass adult get forgiveness but not the 15/16 year old who has shown she has a heart buried deep deep inside, and whose egotistical and mean personality was probably her parents fault, for setting that example (her mother) and enabling that behavior (her father)? Why was Felix's story introduced but barely developed? Like, Felix's character was just thrown in as the mean cousin who just wants to make Adrien miserable, and then... oh shit! he actually has a purpose and a personality? He was also shown to be ridiculously intelligent since he schemed against ladybug and literally got the miraculous on his first try (????????), but then he isn't clever enough to know that by erasing everyone from existence he isn't gonna free his cousin and Kagami. He would have been better off trying to bring Gabriel down as a celebrity or trying to get proof he was Monarch so he could make peace with ladybug and get Gabriel out of the way, also in a sense helping Kagami since part of Tsurugi's power was given by her alliance with Gabriel. There are so many inconsistencies, loose ends, and badly written characters, this show is only enjoyable for the initial concept, romance (extremely dramatically written as well) and shock factor, and when the creator is met with this type of criticism (which in my opinion is constructive criticism), he responds like a little kid saying "If you think you would have done it better then why didn't you do it?" Or saying that the internet has made it easier to criticize creators without shame, which "didn't happen when fans only interacted by letters or such". Like dude, admit your show was badly written, and move on. There are literally already videos rewritting your show better than you from the beginning. We can't all be wrong about it. Also, the fact that its not haters, but fans of the show talking about how badly written it is, says a lot about it lmao. Anyways, hated the end. the statue was fucking cringe. The statue they made for Lady and Chat seemed smaller than Gabriel's.

[@spookyandkora]

I quit watching the show a couple months ago. After reading this I don’t think I’ll ever go back to it

[@StrawberryDusty]

God this makes me wanna write another essay but yes you also nailed it, I don’t understand why the hell they dropped that and then moved on, it was irrelevant to their story from the beginning!

[@spoopydraws8362]

As someone who loved and religiously watched miraculous back during season one, to about 3 and when 4 was just coming out, it feels like a lot of things that became true like Adrien being a sentimonster, certain things that Adrian, marionette, ladybug and chat noir did felt like comics I had seen or like theory's we all came up with came true I can't say wether it's all good or bad things as there were parts i enjoyed, but some part felt very fanservicey or like waving things in our faces to then take back? I have so much more to say, but it seems im not alone, its a real big shame tbh :( Idk I just finished watching the entire last two seasons and I feel like my brain has mushed 😭, I do agree the ending you came up with woulda worked way better, PLUS the fact after so long preventing gabriel from getting his wish, he managed to make it? Like idk i was expecting bunnix or sass or something to just stop it as usual as him getting the wish was supposed to be cataclysmic, and i thought maybe he woudont get a say in who he loses in return for emilie like adrien is the one to die but nah, he got his goal and everything turned out great in the end! Like no hes the villian? He didnt even get to like see adrien or like Adrien didnt know shit dbhsbejdjdnsnsd ughh im so braindead

[@poransuki8203]

I like how in your re-write, you didn't try to paint Gabriel as a hero, but kept him being the villain he really was while making the wish. I really don't know what the writers were thinking

[@theotherwayaround621]

Astruc : My show is not like other shows, my main villain (who's the most irredeemable person and abusive father) gets what he wants and gets to be remembered as a hero in the finale!!!

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@theotherwayaround621Whaaaaat, nooooo... Fully grown men who are belittling and controlling could never be irredeemable! So says the man who actively belittles his critics on Twitter and controls the show to his own ends and the detriment of its fans! Little blonde teens growing up with emotionally abusive Mothers and weak-willed Fathers, however...

[@renatadeoliveira8486]

I'm very confused, if all Gabriel wanted was to bring Emily back with the power of the ladybug and cat miraculous, WHY DIDN'T HE DO THAT WHEN HE FINALLY GOT THE TWO MIRACULOUS!!!????

[@1ndonlysibby]

he turned into the hero 😭 he had good intentions in the end and either sacrificed himself to save the world or sacrificed himself to bring back emily and natalie

[@antoninabandrivska8806]

Because he finally realized she wouldn’t want that, so he brought Nathalie back

[@footh1013]

Yeah that confused me too😂 I think the writers were trying to make it so that he "saw the errors of his ways" or something, but it just felt completely out of character and nonsensical

[@ahmadewing]

@@antoninabandrivska8806 She wouldn't have to know though if he words the wish correctly

[@marshall7439]

possible change of heart during the season 5 finale ? the video that Marinette showed him most likely caused him to realize what Emilie wanted, and decided to sacrifice himself in order to bring Natalie.

[@Kokko2171]

I love how she claims her rewrite of the ending was probably not going to be too good but ended up being 100x better then the actual ending of miraculous. Im so mad Thomas always finds ways to make this show unwatchable. I freaking loved Miraculous but now It’s literally so tiring and frustrating to watch it.😭

[@IrfanDoesWhat]

Its the fact the show has such good worldbuilding and should definitely use it to write correctly

[@ShumaiTheDetective]

Thank you for this recap! I no longer have intention to participate in this circus of Thomasfiction

[@kamilslup7743]

he's gone from the show now, the contract only kept him until the end of season 5

[@ShumaiTheDetective]

@@kamilslup7743 Where was it proven he won’t come back for season 6?

[@ShumaiTheDetective]

After a small research on wiki I found this information “The following day on June 21, 2022, Thomas Astruc along with Mélanie Duval, Fred Lenoir, Sébastien Thibaudeau, and another (at the moment unnamed) writer, they began working on season 6 scripts. Later that day he revealed that his new role will be an "artistic supervisor" starting this season.” Which still means Thomas had his ideas into script

[@springdemon.w.]

@@ShumaiTheDetectivegood lord💀

[@JackQuartez]

​@@ShumaiTheDetectiveWhat the hell?? But it was rumored that he's not in season 6.