A SECRET ABOUT ODE GEN 2 I'VE KEPT: Fellow Ode Gen 2 Review

[@LanceHedrick]

IMPORTANT TLDR: I have no bias towards this grinder or these burrs. I prefer the timemore sculptor 078 to these. I prefer ssp MP to these. I prefer ZP6 to these. I prefer the new Pietro Pro Brewing to these. I was simply wanting to help make an accessible burr set that was solid. Will they blow your mind? Probably not. Should you buy them? Maybe if you're using stock burrs and want a cheap upgrade. Anyway, this is the first and last time you'll hear me discuss these burrs so there won't be any issue going forward. Let's be real- I am not compensated so no incentive ha! Just happy to have contributed to something many seem to enjoy. Was excited to share that. Let me know your thoughts below! Oh, and like and subscribe!

[@michaelch7529]

Did you notice a lot of fines? I’m at the coarest setting and I’m still getting so much fines. 40 grams in and about 2 grams of 250um and smaller.

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Michael Chong, that really isn’t a lot of fines. A pretty normal amount. You’ll always get some fines. You probably could align your burrs to produce less fines though.

[@BBB_025]

Thank you Lance! I think you helped everyone in Specialty coffee by raising the bar for the burrs that became the "Gen 2" burrs! ZP6 vs Pietro Pro Brewing for a travel grinder?

[@LanceHedrick]

That's next to nothing. Plus sifting is not a helpful measurement but let's assume it is. I sifted for my US brewers cup routine which placed second in my testing. A 15g dose of coffee on an ek43 gave me 2.2g of fines.

[@LanceHedrick]

Travel? Zp6. Easier to hold and lighter. Better particle distribution? Pietro with the burrs I helped create lol. I am heavily biased here because I make royalties on Pietro sales BUT to be honest, it is big and heavy (1.5kg). Zp6 is lighter for travel. I prefer brews from Pietro and so have the 4 people I have blind brewed for.

[@Stillshot10200]

I simply love that my two favorite coffee experts know each other and collaborate. Thank you Lance and James. Would love to see you two do a chat sometime. Our minds would be blown.

[@mrhoborz]

Your transparency is refreshing, thanks

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you!

[@KidLexDC]

Two quick things 1.) the hopper lid sits well when it’s made properly. The first one I got was warped so it never sat flat and always wobbled. Their EXCELLENT customer service replaced it and I’m happy with it now. 2.) adding your face to the stories I’ve heard about the process of selecting #23 makes so much sense.

[@ronnieyuen4309]

This is so awesome. Fellow is lucky to have you helping them and a shout out to Fellow wanting to make the best product for us coffee enthusiasts they possibly could.

[@BrentRoman-hs8zl]

Wow. I’m a sub 100 like hitter! This was great Lance. Had no idea you were involved with the Gen2 until Daddy Hoff eluded. Nice to hear it from the horses mouth. Glad you de died to go about it the way you did. You are helping out the greater coffee community and remaining humble. Keep on keeping on brother. ...and nice pour!

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! I'm really stoked and humbled they would listen, to be honest. Really cool move by Nick

[@aramse]

This is awesome, congrats Lance & Nick! We're still waiting on the Ode 2 here but excited to try it.

[@coffeenerdaaron]

Glad you were involved cause the Gen 2 burrs are probably my favorite filter burrs right now for an all around. Nick is such an awesome dude, I’ve had the privilege of chatting with him many times. Coffee people are so awesome!!! 🤘☕️😝

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah! I linked your video, as well. Goodjob!

[@coffeenerdaaron]

@@LanceHedrick wow!!!! Thank you man 😊🙌☕️

[@LanceHedrick]

absolutely!

[@yamanb9172]

This is really uplifting to see your passion and innovation lead to something great!

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you so much! I'm humbled, to say the least, at the response.

[@Hyytekk]

First, thanks for all your shared sage knowledge. Watching your videos and the info that can't seem to bubble out fast enough, brings to mind the talking style of Marc Andreessen. (That's a huge compliment, he's almost otherworldly in his range and depth about everything.) My old Breville grinder died today and I binged reviews and videos. I only needed something simple for my French press, my espresso setup is in good health, so ordered this grinder today. Doesn't seem perfect but hope it will suffice without spending a larger chunk of change. Your stamp of approval made it a go. Thanks again.

[@Omeboy]

Waiting for others to go first was a real stand up move. And stepping to improve a grinder at this price point is incredible stuff. It’s not raised the bar for everyone else.

[@spektrograf]

Great collab with Nick, Lance. Nick is fantastic and definitely a humble guy. Love what Fellows does, and have really been enjoying the Gen 2's since they were made available to the kickstarter backers. Fantastic burr set!

[@LanceHedrick]

definitely! He rocks. and glad you enjoy them!

[@noone9966]

​@@LanceHedrick what about versus the wilfa uniform ?

[@Rowan611]

I love my Gen 2. Thanks for all the work and input on the burrs!

[@LanceHedrick]

fantastic! That is awesome to read.

[@dersnuka]

I’ve been wanting to upgrade from my Encore after 5 years, as I’m strictly a pour over person at home, and after hearing your review, along with James’ and others, I’m going to be pulling the trigger on the Gen 2 soon.

[@GregoryM1]

Lance, Thank you so much for your clarity and transparancy with this video. It goes to show your character and respect for this industry and other creators. Huge props

[@robertjason6885]

As always, my friend your honesty and willingness to share rivals that of Jim Hoffmann. We unwashed rabble appreciate y’all.

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you so much! What stellar company

[@DevAvidon]

For my 2 cents (worth likely less than that), I think these are exactly what they should be. My daily driver is a Lagom P100 with the stock SSP HU 98s; it was my preference overall for the kind of coffee I like to prepare, as blind tested against a friend's Weber and another friends Kafatek. Finding an electric brew grinder in that mid 300s price range that I could feel really good about recommending to friends and family who are not nearly as obsessed with coffee (i.e. not even entertaining the idea of dropping anything north of $400 on a grinder) was a lot harder before this came out. I got one right after they came out as a present for my brother in law, and had a chance to do a triangle test against my P100 for shiggles. Yes of course the P100 won every time. It was not night and day. The burrs in this really do produce an objectively enjoyable cup of coffee, and I think that's a real achievement at the price point. TL;DR, nicely done.

[@jakeg1117]

Lance, Hugo, this video made me love you guys even more. Beautifully shot, and the content and history and behind the scenes was such an exciting watch.

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Hugo is fantastic.

[@jakeg1117]

@@LanceHedrick SO ARE YOU!

[@hugoferrazporto]

Total credit to Lance. He makes it easy

[@DJ-Art-Morris]

Well goodsir, you and James Hoffman have officially convinced me to finally pull the trigger on a good grinder. Ty for a great video as always. 🙌🏼

[@robertjason6885]

Lance.. your generous praise for others is an admirable quality. It makes anything you say ring with veracity.. or something like that.🤐

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! I'm just stoked to be a little part of this awesome community.

[@billwoodman4658]

Will there be a gen 3 that can do espresso?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Gen2 can do espresso just fine with the right burrs, supposedly it could wear out the motor prematurely and is not recommended but it doesn't seem like it struggles at all.

[@MrJackShar]

Having owned the Fellow for a while, it would be great to see you do a video of how you would change the grind and brew method for different roasts of coffee (light through dark) and how the given changes impact the finished brew (using the Fellow). Love your vids 👌 thanks for the great info.

[@philipurquiza5184]

Awesome video! Intro, choice of music, your acting style, so fun to watch!

[@jonathonhagerty237]

Hey Lance, great video. Whatever it’s worth: I upgraded from the gen1 ode to gen2 and at first the anti static tech was great. It helped a ton, the grind was really fluffy and …not charged with static. But after about 6-8 months of daily use (and no cleaning just using the knocker), the grounds are pretty staticky and messy again. I tore it all down and cleaned it out, and it worked pretty well (like new) again for a few weeks but now it’s back to getting clogged up again. The wires that are energized get absolutely caked with grinds and I guess needs to be cleaned regularly. Now as I type it out it seems so obvious lol.

[@tristanwwsd]

How much work and how long does it take to do the cleaning? Is that normal maintenance or are you disassembling the whole grinder?

[@jonathonhagerty237]

@@tristanwwsd just brushing the grinds off of the wires and exit chute area is all.

[@tristanwwsd]

@@jonathonhagerty237 Okay. That's not a big deal since it's exterior. Thanks

[@Russian5]

Are you misting your beans with water? That helps dramatically.

[@braxtonjens7839]

Thanks for an awesome review! A while ago I got two sets of gen1 burrs, and I tried two of the same burrs (the non interlocking side) and they tasted hollow. So I went back to standard Gen1. Then I bought Gen2 burrs. They are awesome.

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah! glad you love them!

[@logicaljuan]

I picked up in ode gen 2 and I’ve been very happy with it. Great job on the vid.

[@LanceHedrick]

fantastic! Glad to read it.

[@q_branch_]

I agree with you and Hoff-daddy on the price...if the Opus has a stronger motor and can grind finer, while being cheaper than the Ode, what could they do to bring those elements to the Ode and keep the price flat? What's really driving the up? As an engineer, props for the anti-static solution. I've seen that used in my line of work, on equipment worth millions, to ensure tiny plastic parts feed without sticking.

[@jggimi]

Very open and honest video, Sir. BTW enjoyed your coaster set!

[@AlejandroPDX]

I really liked this video. Different than a normal review but still hit the important parts. Good to know it has high praises from you and Daddy Hoff

[@0whitestone]

I posted my first comment before I finished the video, but thank you so much for waiting and for the transparency with your involvement on the bur development. I bought this grinder right when it came out because of other reviews, and knowing that you helped develop the burs just makes it feel even more special. I've really enjoyed this grinder, it's my first grinder and it's the one that got me into specialty coffee and I've been having a great time discovering light roast with it. As for the price, I think too much is being made of it, honestly. I think $50 is more than fair for the upgrade, especially considering inflation in the USA has caused, on average, increased consumer prices by 16%. 16% on $299 is $348, so it's basically a free upgrade if you buy it now, compared with the 2020 price of the Ode gen1

[@LanceHedrick]

that's fair! In my mind, it is a 20% increase. If you look at it like it, it seems quite a bit more for a scaling company that is probably thrice the size they were. The margin has to be nuts on these in comparison to gen 1. But I get it!

[@0whitestone]

@@LanceHedrick well, I don't really know about how big the company was compared to now, I thought my grinder three months ago so the fellow I know now is the fellow I've always known lol. One thing is interesting, they have a mix of premium price products ($100 French press), and now very low price with the Opus, and I think of the Ode as in between the two. They definitely have a wide ranging portfolio, for sure!

[@10jsfvideo44]

The Gen. 2 price is justified due to the significant improvements from Gen1. You and other reviewers all agree that the improved burrs, low retention and static, more efficient hopper and SSP compatibility create a much improved taste in the cup and user experience.

[@billyellis4149]

Lol, i WAITED for the gen 2 burrs, bought them… hated em. Was let down. Went with SSP MP… those are it, only burrs i may ever want or need. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk.

[@LanceHedrick]

You hated them? Very odd. How much time did you spend with them? Did you align? What do you go for in a cup? Did you do any blind tastings with multiple cups? Confirmation bias can be a bitch. I love the SSP MP as well, and agree they're better, but it sounds like you're saying you're a much better taster than daddy Hoff, who said these two burr sets were nearly indistinguishable.

[@t0m714]

Great video Lance, fascinating to hear insights into the design process for this grinder, and your role in the burr design. This review has honestly made me reconsider the Ode Gen 2 as a replacement for my multi-purpose Mini. Also - the quality of your videos just keeps improving, although I appreciate the way your natural personality still shines through, I need to ensure I'm not drinking coffee when I watch your videos, just in case I inadvertently spit it out over my keyboard when you make me laugh! 😁

[@Orodrethxvx]

Your dry but also silly humor while giving amazing information is my favorite thing about all of your videos.

[@robertjason6885]

Do I add the gen 2 burr set to my Gen 1 or spring for the Gen 2 grinder?

[@WyattWinters]

That's down to your priorities and how you feel about the user experience of the current grinder. If you'd benefit from a larger hopper and less static without RDT than the Gen 2 might be worth it for you. If not I'd spring for the SSP burr upgrade for your gen 1, since those are superior to the gen 2 stock burrs anyway

[@LanceHedrick]

i'd just add burrs to gen 1! or just go for SSP burrs!

[@robertjason6885]

@@WyattWinters Music bro....I'm lucky that here in the Nashville area, static isn't that big a problem. I don't RDT..my little bottle hasn't gotten any use since I sold my BDB. James vid show...in glorious sssslllloooowwww motion, the differences with Gen 1 and Gen 2 (with the ionizer) was pretty impressive...even without the spritz. I presently start the grinder, then throw in the beans, replace the top (I had a 3rd party lid/bellows combo wich expels any residual grind. But I agree totally with Sir Lance-a lot of caffeine...it's much about the burrs.In OUR world, it should be all about the SONG.

[@robertjason6885]

@@LanceHedrick Thanks brother. So when am I gonna hear one of your original songs? It's what I do.

[@cabforwardooo9983]

First time viewer here. I was interested in learning about the Ode Gen 2, but the opening had me thinking that it was about the next Avenger movie. Later I found myself in the Upside Down. That said, I learned something and I think the Ode is the way to go. Thanks for an informative and entertaining review!

[@crookman42]

this is amazing! Really awesome move! Also I'm very pleased with my pretty new ode gen 2 grinder... I switched from the Encore and now that the burrs saw some action and I'm getting closer to my personal sweet point grindsizewise I'm really really happy I bought this! I'm so full of joy with most of my cups currently and i'm still improving with this grinder... Also I wanna try the SSP MP burrs after I get some experience with the gen 2 burrs, they're already waiting to be installed... but currently I enjoy the coffee of the gen 2 burrs very much, so they'll have to wait a bit longer... And now your video totally backed that with your experience, so thank you for that as well! :)

[@ImTheBlade65]

When I used my Gen 1, I would set the grind setting as low as 3 for the lighter roasts and still managing to get a 3 to 3.5 minute extraction in the Stag XF pour over set. I had to turn the grind setting all the way down to 1 if using the V60 in order to get a a great extraction. Now, with the Gen 2 with the upgraded SSP MP burrs I can get the same or similar extraction using the Stag XF but turned all the way up to the largest grind setting. This naturally opens up a huge array of possibilities for extractions with lighter roasts in the finer grind settings with the V60! I’ve been enjoying a ton of experimenting with different extractions, recipes and so on. The anti static feature is a game changer. This Gen 2 is very clean! Overall, I love the flexibility this new grinder is affording me!

[@Thrilos30]

Looking for an Encore upgrade, I think this video sealed it for me haha thanks Lance!

[@Jeff-yd7zk]

It’s so great. I’m exclusively pour over and moved from Encore I’ve had for 4 years. I only wish I’d bought this sooner. The user experience and flavor an unbelievable upgrade.

[@skinwalker_]

I was so worried. I had ordered this grinder yesterday and I guess looking for a little reassurance 🙂 Peeww, I have it. There is no perfect grinder, its like camera gear there will always be something more that you want. But this ticked most of the boxes and for me, I just don't do espresso at home, I keep that as my treat going out coffee and I focus on brewing with drip and pour at home. Now I am even more excited than ever as I am replacing a 6 year old "very" entry level grinder.

[@Jjjutras]

Production keeps improving man. Love the cuts and edits. Great pacing. Great video!

[@project86xero]

Got the Gen 2 last week. It's actually my first electric grinder. Before now I hand ground everything with a 1zpresso K-Plus. Which is great. However, I do a lot of cold brew for my lady and I throughout the week. An batch brewing on a hand grinder sucks. But so far it's been great. It's interesting to task the difference between a conical burr and a flat burr grinder. It's more of a generic coffee tast I suppose. But it's still a great cup. Just... different in it's own way. Loving it.

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah! love to read about people experimenting, etc. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@gabi00333]

I would really love for you to try these burr in a df64 for exemple to see if it could be a good improvement from the stock burr for espresso and filter!

[@LanceHedrick]

definitely! Can do espresso but you have to grind uncomfortably close to touch if not past it slightly!

[@gabi00333]

Thanks for the response i love your content!

[@VictorChavesVVBC]

Hey, just to let you know. your "um, dois, três" was intense, greatly pronounced and perfectly timed. Portugal has been doing you some good!

[@Chezfran]

Thank you for revealing one of your secrets Lance 😂 I’m so glad you called out the lid seating issue. My fingers are stiff due to arthritis so I knock stuff over all the time (put away the good wine glasses). I had to stop using my Moccamaster because I would knock over the filter basket all the time. I just unboxed the Breville Precision Brewer and need to upgrade my brew grinder (Breville Smart Grinder Pro) and the Ode 2 would be a contender if they made a lid that snaps or seats in well.

[@roryveronda9933]

Excellent video and even better shirt!! Nice 👊🏼

[@masfiqi8074]

Thx lance I'm very enjoy with ZP6 special 🙏🏻

[@jackham2549]

New to your channel, this was amusing to watch and I'm now a subscriber. Not the first of your videos I've watched.

[@bradsyoutube]

I know I’m late, but I have a question for you, Lance! When you were doing your testing did you align the burrs? Marker alignment. Or were your taste tests done based on factory alignment? Thank you in advance…Lance ❤️❤️👍

[@Belegnole]

Thanks for the review and the honesty about your involvement. It might have been preferable to not hold back and have us find out about it from other sources first.

[@LanceHedrick]

glad to read this! I think I made the right choice (though I don't think i'm biased since I make zero money from it ha! their success or failure literally nothing to me, but I wanted to err on the safe side)

[@Thunderbird1337]

I recently bought the Ode 2, coming from an 1ZPresso JX hand grinder (for V60 pourover) and I'm absolutely happy with the Ode 2. Extremely easy, very fast. I just set the dial to the setting in the very middle, coffee was very delicious on the first try, never touched the dial wheel since.

[@ile_klikow]

Please do make a video on 'reading' the burr sets - both flat, and connical. What you can assume and/or ready by just looking at the burrs. Nobody has touched it, I know nothing about it, and I'd love to know

[@LanceHedrick]

once I can know concretely that certain burr design choices correlate exactly to certain things in the cup, I will. Right now, most is voodoo!

[@georgepirpiris7309]

Thank you Lance, I have 2 small question and only you trust you to answer. 1. As just about all my coffee drank as filter is med-dark to dark, will I be making a mistake getting the SSP MP for this grinder? 2. I am willing to spend upto 1200, if there is anything else you suggest for filter focus I would appreciate it, size is irrelevant, and again thank you for what you do, we are very lucky for your hard work and travels. 🤗🤗🤗

[@robertjason6885]

Wow, just noticed that grind setting with your light roasted Kenya. Lots of leeway left.

[@LanceHedrick]

yeah! totally.

[@bradyvilhauer4445]

Hahahaha dude the bit where you make the coffee and your reaction to the taste was freaking so good and HILARIOUS. Production game keeps going up, this was so sick. Incredible music track, and very good editing for when the music comes in at what times and how intense… this is so good.

[@TrissyT73]

One of your best videos ever bro

[@joanyadhatan]

thank you so much for this review and I hope you have a great day

[@Pee686]

Hi Lance, great video as always! Did you try to grind for espresso with these burrs? Perhaps on different grinder

[@LanceHedrick]

yes! They can. But you are going to grind insanely finely, like near or past touch point. Shouldn't hurt the burrs, but doable!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Oh awesome you helped. Now like others I'm wondering how they do for espresso in other 64mm grinders!?

[@LanceHedrick]

they work, but you're going crazy fine! like burr touch and beyond. not made for espresso but they can do it! Doesn't hurt them but it;ll scare you haha

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@LanceHedrick I have mechanical sympathy issues I wouldn't do that to my burrs heh

[@mastersingleton]

Nice Lance x Fellow collab. Keep up the great work.

[@JusBThankful]

I remember you mentioning you intended to touch on (no pun intended) burr alignment with the new carrier in this video, but I didn't catch anything about it? I was unable to get any kind of burr chirp when I tried to align her, and just ended up putting it all back together. I didn't want to bug you about it when the video first dropped since you pump out such bomb content so often😊

[@robertfranco4547]

I’ve had my Gen 2 for 5 months and I’ve enjoyed the coffee from this grinder. My one complaint is that grinds get trapped above the bottom screen and seize the grinder. The knocker tap does not do an efficient job in expelling those grinds. So far it has occurred 2 times and I had to take apart the top portion of the grinder to unfree the beans after breaking apart the packed grinds from under the chute. The chute opening seems to be too small for the grind rate.

[@hbr6545]

So my question to you is: is the gen2 producing better espresso quality than the encore ESP? and if so, is that with the stock burr or SSP MP Red Speed Brew Burrs? (espresso focus)

[@tristanwwsd]

A question to anyone here with the knowledge. How much influence does a grinder have over the final results with coffee? I see many different recipes for doing pour overs with claims of wide variations and I have experienced some of the results in the cup. This is something anyone can confirm. I use a $100 OXO grinder and wonder what one could expect from an upgrade. From reading comments on all grinders, it sounds like I am beating my beans in an old dirty sock on the garage floor with a hammer. Would a grinder like the ODE Gen2 really change my results? I do batch and pour overs. Ease of use would be one thing since I have to pick up mine while it's running and tip it and slap it to get everything through. But will it taste better? Thanks

[@LanceHedrick]

Assuming your water is treated and your coffee is a good quality, grinder is the most important part of brewing. Big difference between an OXO and something that is $500 and up

[@tristanwwsd]

@@LanceHedrick My water is filtered RO. No taste. I use Petes Major Dicks, Starbucks and Costco mainly. I think a good cup of coffee can be had from these major retail brands. Not really into the $20 for 10oz. bags that come and go. So, my conclusion from this, is that the grinder here in this discussion (@ $350) or similar, would not be much of a return but going $500 and up would get substantial improved results. Thanks

[@LanceHedrick]

So massive issues. Brewing with RO is awful. And those brands will give less than pptimal results. A $300 grinder, minerals added to your water, and high quality coffee would completely revolutionize your cup

[@tristanwwsd]

@@LanceHedrick I see I have a lot of learning to do. I admit my coffee tastes like crap and that's why I'm here. Still better than at the Diner though. Ha. Water, I live in So Cal and the public water tastes horrible. And like chlorine. It's so full of calcium and other contaminates that everything it touches gets spots. Everything. Sink, dishes, glassware, car, etc. You must wipe everything or else. So, I got the bright idea to get an RO system for the kitchen. Water is pure with no taste whatsoever. Thought that would eliminate bad water taste in Coffee and let the beans come through pure. All my vessels that I use RO water in look like the day they were new. I have read articles that state not to use distilled or RO water but didn't know why. Tap water is out of the question, and now RO, so I need to go down a road unknown for a solution to my water. Drops in the RO water? Table salt? Coffee, I know my brands are kind of like Ford, Chevy, Dodge, but I have to draw a line somewhere at around $15 per lb. or close to that. Anything from the small shops is $30-40 per lb. that I know of. If anyone knows of a good Med to dark roast that can be ordered let me know. I have had some good results from my beans but I'm inconsistent and most of the time it's not optimal. Equipment, My Aeropress does well but my batch maker does not. My best coffee is absolutely from the Aeropress. I have a moccamaster with aluminum carafe. Actually 2 of them, the same model. One for 15 years and one for 5. I am convinced they really don't make good coffee, but since they cost so much, and everyone raves about them coming from Europe, everyone thinks they make the best coffee. At minimum they need to be stirred. I have a Hario Switch and glass pot ordered. That will be my new focus. Grinder, I am too new to the premium grinder scene to know yet what would be best for me. Top of the list is the ODE gen2 but was going to wait a little for the new Timemore line to come out. I recently bought a scale and that alone gave me finer control and improved results over eyeballing with a scoop. Now I can follow recipes precisely. So, thanks for the previous replies and help.

[@arielmejia9680]

I have 3 weeks with my ODE gen 2 and it’s quality in terms of built quality and grind uniformity it’s just amazing

[@Toronto_Luddite]

I'm about the same time in so far, and just haven't been able to get brews without an overwhelming syrupy thick body, have those not been your results? Is that the type of texture you like?

[@steveflor9942]

The crossroad of art and science... Makes a great story. Thanks

[@michaelfrisbie7247]

Would you take it over grinders like the 1zpresso K-series for filter?

[@LanceHedrick]

I probably would, yes. I think this rivals their quality and I don't have to hand grind. and it allows me to upgrade burrs or just switch them in the future.

[@Phil_OG]

" probably would" is unexpected thb

[@LanceHedrick]

Why? I notoriously love k series. The fact I helped make these won't make me automatically take them. There was a budget in mind with the burrs. Not my ideal set but great for the time crunch and price.

[@Phil_OG]

​@@LanceHedrick Especially after the Hoff video and the PDS comparison I thought that the gen 2 burrs are one league above very good conical hand grinders like the k series. So I expected you to choose the gen 2 easily over them because of the quality of cups they produce. Good to hear that the 1zpresso grinder perform so well against a more expensive electric flat burr grinder. Appreciate it that you take your time to reply to all these comments. Thanks Lance!

[@nat2world]

very cool! ... if put in another espresso-capable grinder (say DF64 or other) ...are the Gen2 burrs capable of grinding fine enough for espresso? thanks!

[@Eddian18]

It’s unfortunate that Timemore doesn’t seem to be planning on making a 110v version of the 078 for the US market. Looking forward to your thoughts about the 064 to decide whether I’m getting the Timemore or the Ode Gen 2.

[@dsbarf]

Just received my eu version today, so happy with it!

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah! Stoked you are enjoying it

[@fdiazb1]

hey Lance... excellent videos all over your channel...have you tried the ode gen2 burrs on a df64 II for espresso? what are your thoughts on that combination? thanks

[@ZedMasterGames]

Hi Lance, just wondering if you will be able to get a review out on the Timemore sculptor 064 vs 078? Want to know is there is any difference in taste before buying. Thanks!

[@sanderbrugman8157]

I do have a have a question. I'm currently using a single dose Mazzer mini. I used it for espresso and V60 but I'm only really making V60. I'm constantly reading that you shouldn't use an espresso grinder for filter but im wondering what your oppinion is on that matter. And could i improve my filter coffee with a differnt 58mm burr and if yes do you have recogmendansion

[@glenn2595]

A year later, (3/2024) with supply going down for the original Ode, the Gen 2 - $345 pretty much everyone, original Gen $199 (however black was $129 special - but they are gone now - white still $199) Does anyone recommend a Gen 1 now for under $150 - new-old stock?

[@gavinandrews2101]

Killer video as always. You say it is the option at this price point? The Wilma uniform is now stateside. Curious if that unit included in this statement? Thanks for all the great content Lance!

[@andersstrick]

Nice video, the production quality and style is coming along. Still too many weird side shots in the beginning.

[@Sunny31310]

Ive owned the OXO and always thought about making the upgrade to a nicer burr grinder but was worried it would be diminishing returns. I picked up the Ode 2 recently and couldn't have been more wrong...

[@cheekster777]

Thanks Lance.

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah!!!

[@cheekster777]

@@LanceHedrick 👊🏻

[@motiOn732]

So now the question becomes how does this compare to the Timemore?

[@samueldeguise3118]

Hi Lance !! Nice video i have a question for you. Why nobody talk "review" about Ceado grinders are they bad ,overprice, not good as similars price tag or something ? I just try to find the best single dose allround grinder for me and they seem to be pretty good. Or the eg1 is the best?

[@rcrutcher]

I have one of the earlier Baratza Vario grinders (steel burrs). Do you think the Ode 2 is better for filter and Aeropress coffee than the Vario?

[@paulmillerick4092]

Awesome video & candid info. But i need to ask a clarification for myself: Would u say the Ode 1 would now grind fine enough for Light Roasts? Or is the Ode 2 necessary for various types of lighter roasts? (iIm mainly asking about finer grinding possibilities without any consideration for other differences or improvements Between Ode 1 & 2. Thank u!

[@Ghostbear2k]

Got myself the Ode Gen1 "hackers edition" that comes with the Gen2 burrs (because in Germany the Ode Gen2 grinder is/was stupidly overpriced) and from day1 , this cute litle grinder has a place in my heart. With RDT static isn't too much of an issue and the hopper is... ok. Might switch it out for a Gen2 hopper once the parts hit the european market. The burrs itself are working nicely and fit my personal flavor profile, which is slightly more body and complexity over clarity. Your story on how you got involved in development of the gen2 burrs makes me love them even more.

[@Yirgamalabar]

Would these be good burrs for pourover and espresso in variable-RPM grinders like the P64 and the upcoming (and much cheaper) Turin VS64? I have my eyes set on the latter and am wondering whether I should get it with the stock burrs or already invest in this $80 upgrade.

[@Dis236]

Did you test these burrs in a different grider like a DF64 for espresso? I know that this are primarily filter burrs but the lower price makes them very desirable for those who don't want to spend a fortune on SSPs.

[@LanceHedrick]

can do espresso! Yes. But you are going to be grinding at touch point or tighter for light coffees.

[@WarrenDodd-fb8gz]

Not sure if this is just my experience/taste but I've been really unhappy with the cup my gen 2 produces. I've even warrantied my machine and the replacement still tastes the same to me. I've explored every other variable with my pourovers and keep coming back to the grinder/gen 2 burrs being the issue

[@jamescarlson4550]

Lance, I’m curious how you would rate the new KM5 compared to the Ode2. I have a Moccamaster brewer. I really appreciate your reviews. Thanks

[@PaulJrCastro]

How does this compare to moccamaster KM5 grinder?

[@sanderbrugman8157]

Im really Curious how the Varia gen 2 will compare to this one

[@fbczar]

If I could buy a Gen 1 for $200.00 should I buy it instead of the Gen. 2? All I plan to do is filter coffee. Or would I be better off with a manual grinder like the Kingrinder K6 or impress X Pro? Thanks

[@mathnerdm]

Love the video Lance. Can you comment on how flat burrs like the Ditting or Ode burrs compare to the higher clarity conicals on like a 1Zpresso K series or X pro?

[@LanceHedrick]

Similar to those you listed. Ditting is highest clarity in that list (if talking 55mm steel forte burrs)

[@mathnerdm]

@@LanceHedrick that makes perfect sense and has been my exact experience. I have a fortefied vario and the two hand grinders I mentioned and found them to be incredibly comparable, especially as parts of my travel kit. Happy to hear I'm not crazy!

[@Binmiller80]

Great video. Do you prefer the cups from the Ode gen2 or the ZP6? I bought the ZP6 on your recommendation but i am I tempted to buy this grinder.

[@LanceHedrick]

I prefer zp6

[@Binmiller80]

Thank you for the quick reply. Do you still start around 5 for your 1 cup v60’s? Ive only had mine a short while and trying to get the best out of it. Thanks

[@LanceHedrick]

Yeah! I do.

[@Binmiller80]

👍 thank you for replying to my questions.

[@LanceHedrick]

absolutely!

[@Toronto_Luddite]

Loved the video, and the work Nick and the team at fellow have done with the Gen 2. It really is a nice object to have on my counter. I'm going to give it more time and experiment with another coffee or two, but the feeling I'm getting is that I must have got a lemon, because I have only got maybe one decent cup in the first week of ownership. I need some comparisons with other grinders, but so far I'm shocked that my Encore with default burs is producing better results in the cup. Everything I'm getting is muddy, choking the V60 easily, and I haven't found a position on the dial yet that's let me avoid significant unpleasant dryness. If it's possible to get a good cup with this particular unit, it's at the very least quite difficult, and for $500 CAD, I'm hoping for cups that don't make me want to rinse my mouth out afterward, even at weaker ratios and coarser grind settings. It's quite surprising, but I'm hoping to eventually get some decent results with it, because it is a really nice design, with a few minor problems like the somewhat irritating catch cup. It grinds so fast, it's quiet, it's clean, it feels nice to use.

[@LanceHedrick]

Have you seasoned? Checked alignment? Hoffmann just showed in his video how tight the uniformity is on these burrs. Hopefully not a lemon!

[@BBB_025]

Maybe you can get a hold of some of the fellow drop coffees which fellow releases specific grind settings and recipes and use those as benchmarks?

[@10jsfvideo44]

Try realigninging the Gen2 burrs. Nick at fellow has a great tutorial on realigning your burrs

[@Toronto_Luddite]

@@LanceHedrick I have since checked alignment, thanks to your video and others that demonstrate the market test and shimming. It was useful, and now I'm getting some of that acidity and flavour expression I'd expect out of some of my lighter roasted beans, but I'm still not realistically able to grind within the 4-5 range without the resulting brew just being dominated by body. I usually think 'There are some of those flavours I got when I tried the same coffee ground on a Sette at 600 microns, but only if it wasn't nearly as dense and syrupy". So in that sense, it's really hard to tell what's just a matter of my perception regarding these burrs when they're performing ideally. You and others who've reviewed it, along with their own description, emphasize body, but no so much so that I couldn't get an easy to drink cup, but I'm getting rather tough-to-like cups. A V60 for example is closer to Moka pot or maybe a french press in terms of oilyness or siltyness, almost like I'm going in for a bite rather than a sip. For a 4-6 cups a day, these results are just tricky to get down

[@nicolasjcapra]

Awesome❤ curious how the Ode G2 compare to SSP Cast V2… currently running the MP and Cast in two grinders, usually for espresso and filter respectively, but also switch it up if I’m feeling it haha

[@LanceHedrick]

I think similar but this has more body.

[@monsaemon]

I want that hopper more than anything. I upgraded the burrs in my gen 1. I’m just annoyed having to fiddle with coffee beans to go down the chute! It’s also too bad the ionizer isn’t backwards compatible to the gen 1. I would love to just upgrade my gen 1 to be close to this level.

[@bp060]

I got those for Christmas for my ode 1.1 and they are a game changer! Sweet, good body, nice acidity although I have noticed a muddy bed and many fines. Haven't seasoned tho so it could change. Also I struggled with shim alligning them because of their backside geometry. Any tips?

[@ciejaygear]

Tons of fines are inevitable I'm afraid with these machines because they go at an insanely fast speed for some strange reason 1400 rpm !! I overlooked this before I bought my Gen 2 unfortunately, and realized it when it was too late to send it back. You can read my comments on it above. I can't help think it was planned into their marketing strategy because how simple is it to slow the motor down, like a lot? Buying one of their 'Shimmy' filters' works well but it's a whole extra step to the workflow process. I honestly don't have the motivation to use it every single time. Only days when I have extra time and I want to really taste the potential of the strains I'm working with. If you know anyone that wants to buy a fairly new Ode 2 and save some money, please let me know. Cheers

[@LanceHedrick]

Where are you getting this information thay higher RPM with flats equates to more fines? It isn't accurate. It is for cones...

[@bp060]

@@ciejaygear nah that's not it. As Lance already said fines on higher rpm is with conicals not flat burrs. Also I wouldn't reach that far into the cookie jar and claim it was intentional to sell a different product. The shimmy has a different target demographic. It's an easy way to improve a cheap grinder without investing into a more expensive one. Why would they Programm a smart rpm which adjusts the rpm when they would know it leads to a worse cup. Nah man, I know cooperations often only profit on mind but intentionally making a product worst would just harm them instead of selling more shimmys. Your reasoning doesn't make sense

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I know Lance Disagrees but to me It does seem like higher RPM equates to more fines, but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll get bad results. IT also depends on the burr type and grinder type, I think if flow through the grinder is sufficient and unobstructed higher RPM works better, some commercial grinders grind at much higher RPM but still give great results.

[@Mstom178]

What are some good choices for upgrade my gen 1? under $60?

[@milokamal]

Hi lance you talk about burrs from ali express that they are pretty good which one you are referring to?

[@dubak]

hi there, how dos default ODE 2 burr perform for the Aeropress? you said it's a "filter" focused grinder. I swap between v60 and aeropress and am frustrated by the click-guesswork on commandant when changing the grind size back and forth. This looks like a nice way to solve the issue :) Thanks in advance

[@lukaskarotte6322]

Hey Lance, thanks for the video! Great as always! I just wanted to ask a quick question: Do you have any content (or other resources) to dig into different burr geometries? I (and I presume many others) don't have the financial means to buy all the different SSPs, Lab Sweets, let alone in different sizes whatsoever, so I can't compare them on my own. However, I would love to know what a "feed rate" is and how it affects taste, what differences exist between, say, pentagonal and heptagonal there are (except the number of teeth, obviously). I hope this question makes sense?:D Muito obrigado mais uma vez! Cheers, Lukas