Remember when comics were about heroes? Yeah, good times. (X-men Green Review)

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X-Men Green is Marvel's new controversial X-men story which follows the murderous Nature Girl as she goes on a rampage across the North American continent in the name of environmentalism. Unfortunately, her solution to climate change is to kill people and blow up an oil refinery. It's as bonkers as it sounds. Souron also showed up but he wasn't really worth mentioning since he doesn't actually add anything to the story.
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[@Nemesis0921]

Punisher has a better sense of morality than these people.

[@WildZephyr]

Indeed, the Punisher knows he's not a hero and these people... don't.

[@Raximus3000]

They have the morality of Hordy Jones.

[@realistfromrussia1244]

That's one of the reasons why he's my favorite character amongst many in MU.

[@jturner2577]

That's just sad because Frank Castle knows he's a monster, he just kills worst monsters.

[@denkerbosu3551]

He is so appealing because he targets the absolute worst. I remember this marvel anime series (I think) where he kills an undercover cop posing as a mafia member or something. He feels devastated, laying down, completely different from his usual proactive self. That's an anti-hero, someone that wants to root out evil, because they don't want the good to be hurt. This b¡tch goes around killing innocents... She deserved the chair, honestly.

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Nature Girl is the exact kind of mutant the X-Men would fight against. She's exactly why the Mutant Registration Act looked like the best option.

[@RaspK]

The way the character is portrayed feels like a cross between Magneto's most kerygmatic arcs and a parody on environmentalists.

[@josteinhenrique2779]

And she's exactly what bigoted people like Senator Kelly needs to expand their influence and keep fueling the hate message.

[@KelShu]

If this comic doesn't get you to hate the Krakoa Era Mutants, I don't know what will

[@Kingmegadon]

Weirdly enough, looking at her final design at the end of this, she looks like a discount Hela. So makes me think that the people who wrote this originally wanted a similar story with Hela, but it got denied so they used the next closet comic and character they could get their hands on. So, yet again another character got sacrificed for someone's pointless idea because they couldn't get the character they wanted.

[@thetruestar6348]

This character is your average psycho on Twitter that’s hypersensitive and wants to do shit like this

[@gustavogutierrez6568]

This comic is basically why the sentinel program was invented

[@JayRedGear]

She makes Magneto look like a stand-up citizen.

[@Raximus3000]

@@JayRedGear Not really since he unleashes her.

[@JayRedGear]

@@Raximus3000 she was the one who chose to do those things and wasn't influenced by him.

[@Raximus3000]

@@JayRedGear He is okay with a mutant serial killer on the loose, hell he is even on board with it, as long as nobody calls him on it.

[@JayRedGear]

@@Raximus3000 still had nothing to do with him, she chose to do that and Magneto himself has a better reason for his actions compared to "I saw a turtle die, so all humans must die."

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

I wonder how Stan would feel knowing current writers are creating stories where people are justified in being scared of mutants?

[@yuki2320]

Stan Lee is already disappointed from the afterlife.

[@reptilitronousprime9213]

Don't make me come down there you punk!

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Stan seemed very depressed in the later years. I think he knew what was becoming of Marvel and the "heroes" he created and it broke his heart.

[@DanielAlves-xe4om]

@@MaverickhunterXZeroprobably that, and also the fact that his wife had died and the poor guy was surrounded by complete vultures in his final uears.

[@hassathunter2464]

It gets even worse seeing how it was an allegory against racism.

[@shineyorkboy]

Remember when killing people to protect nature made Poison Ivy a villain? Also, with the amount of super tech the Marvel universe has access to it's hard to think they still need fossil fuels. And you have to feel bad for any fans of Nature Girl who have to see a character they like used so despicably.

[@Good_Boy_3000]

Good point about the alternative energy. This comic is obviously eco-terrorism porn.

[@Wright805]

Agreed.

[@jamesburdo1058]

Wolverine's motorcycle that she steals uses fossil fuels, as does the ship she escapes on.

[@Hektols]

Look at the "Reed Richards is Useless" trope.

[@erugurara8235]

This a very typical villain story, i dont get the hate this is getting, is just a the typical natural killer of humans plotline that is very comoon for plant based characters.

[@mistercrow396]

When is murder ever okay? Literally her killing people all because she's saving the environment is the most stupidest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I can't believed they would let this murder go and the victims get no justice. Wolverine getting side line and treated like a joke had me face palming. Someone please dial Deadpool, Punisher, Moon Knight to hunt this insane girl down please. This Nature Girl whacko in this version is now on my list top hated characters.

[@yellowmartian]

When it involves a pedo or a rapist or a vegan, maybe?

[@gringlebandersnatch]

@@yellowmartian Cattle farms consume like 20% of the earth's fresh water and enough land to feed several countries but go off I guess.

[@luchomscyfy]

It's not the main plot of Kingsman? I mean Samuel Jackson's villian character wanted to kill a lot of people in the name of "saving the planet of humans". So, I think it's pretty bad.

[@romanplays1]

@@gringlebandersnatch most of land dedicated to cows can barely support any other kind of food aside from cattle feed but you do you brandon.

[@luchomscyfy]

@@gringlebandersnatch But cattle serves to food like milk and meat. It's necessary. The same to say, if you want to be vegan, you have to consume water and land to make a harvest or crops of, I dunno, soy or anything vegetable. Besides, soy is pretty harmful for the land for the long time. You need to rotate with other things (something, something nitrogen in the land, somthing. I don't remember correctly.).

[@michaelterrell5061]

This is what marvel and dc are turning into. Dark stories with no heroes that are merely edgy to be edgy.

[@gustavogutierrez6568]

The worst part is that they're doing all wrong a superhero being edgy just because, garth Ennis literally does that and it's awesome

[@remontariv1130]

The deconstruction trope as well as "superman but evil" are getting tiresome Just give us good ol heroes back at it again Doesn't have to deconstruct or commentate on anything just let us have a wholesome story please

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@remontariv1130 Exactly

[@jturner2577]

@@michaelterrell5061 If you are gonna do a deconstruction do your research.

[@denkerbosu3551]

I bloody wish it was edgy to be edge's sake, like Ennis. This is just a psycho genuinely thinking "Eh, mass killings of humans for muh climate change isn't all that bad." Check his interview if you don't believe me. He always tries to say Nature Girl isn't 100 wrong and "the audience should decide if she's"

[@GNackers53]

My opinion on X-Men Green: This series just proves that Senator Kelly was right about mutants. It proves that they are a threat to human society, a fact the original X-Men franchise tried it's best to disprove.

[@jturner2577]

He made some valid points.

[@hellstrom4209]

This makes the Sentinel Program look like a good thing and necessary for humanity's survival against these psychopaths.

[@jturner2577]

@@hellstrom4209 The Sentinel program itself was bad but the Sentinels bring piloted by humans worked out just fine.

[@theonlychickensama8353]

@@jturner2577 Yes and No, Human's may have Empathy but Some of them could also turn corrupt with all that power

[@jturner2577]

@@theonlychickensama8353 That they could, which there would realistically be safeguards against.

[@DG-mk7kd]

It's fascinating how an artist's creations reveal the soul.

[@alexjacobs6713]

Have you seen his interview its crazy

[@madamefluffy4788]

Don't blame the artist; blame the writer (unless the writer and the artist are the same person). The artist is just drawing what author wants them to.

[@retrolutiongames9479]

Or lack thereof.

[@charlesws7825]

Just from the tone of this story, the LAST thing I'd call who wrote this an 'artist'. (Did the same person write and draw this damn thing?) It hardly even qualifies as a story. Back before Current Year, Marvel would have caught all kinds of you-know-what for pointless junk like this.

[@charlesws7825]

@@retrolutiongames9479 You beat me to it. :D

[@TaoScribble]

They just straight up don't understand what a hero is anymore. It's sad.

[@Raximus3000]

Try Kamen Rider or my hero academia.

[@wrongthinker843]

Wrong. This is what they think a hero is. It's worrying.

[@Raximus3000]

@@wrongthinker843 Ever heard of Hordy Jones?

[@jturner2577]

@@Raximus3000 My Hero Academia is what the X-Men world should have become.

[@Raximus3000]

@@jturner2577 And this is the difference between manga and comics. Manga more often than not have hopeful messages rather than depressing things that at some point do not make much sense.

[@martinhernandezdominguez8561]

"Humans are the bad guys on earth" ¿Tell me about viruses, bacteria, pandemics that have happened in history and have killed humans and animals? As a wise person once said. The human is a "cruel angel", a being who has the ability to extinguish lives and entire ecosystems for a whim, but also the only one in the world who is willing and able to save species from catastrophes if he proposes it.

[@SamtheBravesFan]

Humans are the only beings capable of cleaning up their own messes so to speak.

[@mr.vansjohnson7469]

@@SamtheBravesFan it seems like we're losing that ability...

[@EsKeleto2507]

@@mr.vansjohnson7469 nope, we've always been like this

[@justiron2999]

Tell that to the asteroids.

[@shmegalodonschmuckington786]

@@EsKeleto2507 Just on a larger scale

[@typhonviserys8288]

NATURE GIRL!!!! - Forces a bear to fight Wolverine - Rides Wolverine's motorcycle (electric, I'm sure) - Has her cohort burn the pipeline workers in petrol (a clean burning immolation if there ever was one) - Needlessly sends bees to their deaths (That's as far into the vid as I've got, so far) I repeat... NATURE Girl. -.-

[@jturner2577]

I wish Orchis would capture her and surgically remove her antlers.

[@johnarcher6150]

Thats the eco cult members in a nutshell.

[@Groomsman]

I’m really hoping the entire world, the Avengers included, go to war with Krokoa. At this point the X-Men are no longer metaphors for outsiders or victims of prejudice

[@jturner2577]

They haven't been since the late 90s to be honest, not in comics anyway. They've certainly been in their TV Series/ Movies at least.

[@gokux75]

Pre Disney Marvel would do absolutely do a story like that. Build up to an event where the Avengers realize Krokoa is a threat and making the X-Men worse.

[@erindunn6689]

Avengers Vs. X-Men II: Electric Boogaloo. They did a Civil War II, so why not an AvX II?

[@jturner2577]

@@erindunn6689 They should get some legitimate writers and have one of the Antagonistic factions be a large majority of those post AVX Mutants angry at being turned against their will.

[@redstarbayyt3528]

Nature girl killing a human doesn't make no sense in the X-Men continuity because killing a human is illegal so this must be a agenda from the writer

[@Shiirow]

Wolverine, a man who has filled graveyards with the bodies of the dead, would look at Nature Girl and go "WTF are you doing?!"

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

And then....WHEN THE WORLD NEEDED HIM/HER MOST....SHIIROW WILL BARE THE OMNITRIX TO DEFEAT THE MEGAKAREN....UNNATRUAL GIRL!!!

[@andrewgreeb916]

It takes a different kind of person to wake up and choose murder, and yet somehow we have 2 murderous hobos on the same team

[@mado-wh4jv]

Innocent people?

[@kyriss12]

I laughed my ass off at wolverine being unable to fight the innocent bear. Have they ever a tally on the number of wolverine comics in the 90’s that started off with wolverine running half naked into the wilderness and fighting a bear to death?

[@reptiliannoizezz.413]

@@MegaToonzNetwork What? Lol

[@dillonb9811]

As someone who is friends with pipeline workers the cartoony villainous actions of the workers was cringey af most of the workers wouldn't even fight they would leave so that they didn't get injured. Workers aren't evil they're just trying to get a pay check.

[@noahwiley2846]

It's really messed up

[@NewPatriot778]

Doesn't Krakoa have advanced technology that powers their island, why can't she just give that to humanity and other alternatives to things like plastic? She lives on an island where people can do almost anything, even revive the dead!

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Because Krakoa is a segregationist Island of supremacists that hate and want to be no where near anyone not them. That's why they're moving to Mars.

[@BebieHachi]

Because that would invalidate their unjustified hate toward people who are different from them, lol

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

They have many super geniuses and Forge can create anything he wants, even machines that can clean the earth. But they only care for mutants now.

[@CoolG97]

This is part of the problem of trying to apply real-world problems to a superhero setting. Ironically, enough there is a trope for this named after a Marvel character, it's called "Reed Richards is Useless.". Basically, characters that want to and literally have the power to save the environment won't because the writer says so.

[@jamesburdo1058]

Their island actually feeds of the energy of the mutants there. In an issue of Wolverine, it released toxins that killed marine life.

[@Skilldraw]

Agree. This keeps hapening since long ago. Reminds us about that time Dick Grayson slept with Barbara just to tell her he was going to marry Koriand'r the next day. Such a "dick" move excused just with that poor argument: "We want human characters like you and me". First of all, being rude or offensive is not being a regular human, we need to stop that. Second, super heroes should be people to look up for, not a random guy. They should be different, not perfect but with morals above the regular John Doe. It's not okay to force the heores in that "flawed just like everyone else, so they mess up big just like you" thing. They're supposed to be heroes. And when they're used to carry some group's voice, they don't function properly, they're supposed to work for everyone's well being, not taking strong political sides. Even worst when it's not well done just like this comic. We're all for the planet protection but this doesn't give a good message at all. We're sorry for Nature girl. Such disrespect for the character...

[@masterDarts4188]

The thing about Marvel is that the characters are not perfect. Sadly being human means doing things that are wrong and sometimes outright as stupid. I dont mind that, but the moral is always seeing the character learn and grow so we can grow with them. The problem is, that only works if the writer is aware of the error of the character. Here, the writer thinks they are completely in the right. So there's nothing learned, and nothing gained.

[@Skilldraw]

@@masterDarts4188 Yes, exactly. In fact that was Marvel's innovation side. For example, Peter Parker was a regular teenager student with teenager problems. They don't have to be perfect and are allowed to mess up, just like us but they don't have to be @sses. Like, they're a super hero, there are certaing lines you should avoid to cross when writting a hero. They're suppose to be at least trying to be better persons. Here they don't even acknowledge she's in the wrong, and that mades it worst.

[@SasukeTheCursed]

Super Heroes can make big mistakes, thats not the issue. The issue is HOW they make them make the big mistakes. They have them make the big mistakes out of selfishness, callous disregard, or some other factor that acts in defiance of what the traits that are required to be a super hero in for the first place like selflessness. This here is an example of it being done terribly because our "superhero" flips her shit at the death of a turtle and goes on a huge murdering spree literally lacking any serious consideration on the matter or any remorse. A good example would be Spiderman revealing his identity during Civil War. He did it with good intentions, believing in Tony Stark and his ideas for the betterment of everyone. But this of course in some side stories had monumentally disasterous side affects like his Aunt May being assassinated. He screwed up by revealing his identity but he did it with only the best of intentions for everyone. Nature Girl on the other hand says shes doing it for a greater good but is murdering random people and doesn't feel bad about it, all the while basically inciting a war that would cause untold damage to humans, mutants, and nature itself.

[@Skilldraw]

@@SasukeTheCursed This here. Well said.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

Except that in the real world, every single human being on the planet is flawed and 'hero' or 'villain' is viewpoint oriented 99.9%+ of the time.

[@BebieHachi]

There's always a paradox with these kinds of people. "Humans are bad, they hurt innocent animals and mother nature" *kills innocent people and uses innocent animals and mother nature as unwilling meat shields in fights she purposefully picked but had no intention of fighting herself (excluding the cheap shots) "[insert individual/group] has unfair privileges" *even though innocent lives were lost, and unnecessary chaos was unleashed; self-insert was let off from any real consequences for their actions while affected innocents are still left to writhe and/or perish It's never about actual objective justice; it's only ever about these people and their "characters" shifting any percieved superiority to themselves, because it's totally "their turn" now to subjugate the masses instead of the "patriarchy" or whatever. Or, in other words: to them, it's not about equality or objective right-and-wrong; it's about superiority. And that's disgusting. It's no wonder I hardly bother with comics these days and just end up skimming through issue after issue. It's depressing, really. Before, I had an escape from the real world; now, seemingly everywhere I look, there's some twitter nut trying to shit on me through the media I indulge even though I did nothing to them.

[@remontariv1130]

This comic was basically just a power fantasy and it's just HORRID

[@vermis8344]

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKmUfWiNn7ice5o

[@terracannon876]

These comics, and stories and media in general, are a good projection into the mindset of the author. If they and everyone involved put this out, then they think this is OK, and in fact I've heard many people rationalize this sort of thinking in real life. I think this is what moral relativism is?

[@admech590]

This is the same problem I had with the rocon arc with immortal hulk. Just because hulk CAN remove the barriers that's preventing the recent generation from making a difference, the way he was going about it was by being destructive rather than doing something productive or having plan. Yes roxon is evil, but what exactly would he have done after destabilizing the company? He would've disenfranchised thousands of people because he believed he had to destroy some humans for the good of humanity and the rest of the planet. What makes the comic even worse is the fact at least al Ewing realized that hulk was still putting a lot of people's lives on the line, even if his intentions were "noble". It'd still wasn't perfect, considering hulk was depicted as some dark hero for doing something that should've been done years ago, and not some extremist lunatic who doesn't care about the lower class workers he was driving into poverty and unemployment with his actions. These stories focus too much on the corporation itself and not those employed under them. You could shut the doors on roxon, you can expose all their deali gs to their world, but what happens to the people who aren't evil who workfor them. They aren't aim or hydra, they're not shadowy collective. Unfortunately, they form a massive part of the American economy in this universe. So tearing it all to ground could have horrific consequences on the economy. And characters like nature girl epitomizes everything wrong with extremists. They care about the environment but it's to a point where they do more harm than good for both humans and often times the ecosystems they want to protect.

[@littlesneets8026]

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[@Iron_Wolf_365]

Ironically, these issues are sold to customers in single-use plastic bags

[@bunnywithakeyboard7628]

The X-Men going woke is what causes the awful future with the sentinels, where people realize they’ve stopped being heroes and humanity at large needs to be protected from them.

[@BioMega96]

Combined with the fact that the some of the other so called "heroes" act similarly might also explain why there were also dead in the dofp timelime.

[@gustavogutierrez6568]

This comment its better written than the comic what the hell

[@jturner2577]

@@BioMega96 Honestly the Champions, Runaways and Spider-People may be the only true heroes in the Marvel Universe.

[@frankorious3023]

@@jturner2577 are the Fantastic Four still around?

[@BacktoBack_Daishō]

@@jturner2577 The Spirits of Vengeance and The Midnight Sons are still around plus Thor

[@LittleMissRequiem]

My little doggo was shy around other dogs, but he absolutely LOVED humans and did everything in his power to make the humans around him happy. No way would he have attacked anyone on NG’s behalf, regardless of her environmental politics. If anything, he would’ve openly called her a big fat liar the moment she started going on one of her “humans are evil” spiels. And if she DARED to call him a “traitor to the Earth” because of that, there would be HELL to pay. Rest In Peace Paquito…😔

[@plumaDshinigami]

And here I thought Captain Planet was too ham-fisted with its message - it is at times like in that episode about overpopulation. However, they still tried to portray the heroes as someone with a higher moral ground. This? I'm betting whoever wrote this is on a watch list of some kind by now.

[@michaelterrell5061]

Captain Planet? Ham-fisted?

[@star22sally67]

At least captain planetvwent after actually villian (over exaggerated ones, but villains all the same) These comics have our "heros" attack and kill innocent bystanders or people the writer just disagrees with.

[@plumaDshinigami]

@@michaelterrell5061 It was the earlier times of animation, morals and such weren't weaved subtly at all in any narrative. Then again, not much has changed, if anything, it's gotten worse.

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@plumaDshinigami interesting.

[@Wright805]

Captain Planet and the Planeteers certainly had a few ham-fisted episodes but everyone forgets that many episodes were actually quite nuanced. In the episode "The Dead Seas" for example Kwame points out that one of the reasons over-fishing and use of drift nets is wrong is because many people rely on sustainable fishing methods to support themselves and their families. Over-fishing is a threat to their livilihoods. There is a clear distinction made between sustainable fishing methods and over-fishing. Or in "Canned Hunt" when Linka berates a hunter who then points out that she has no grounds to criticise him when she eats meat. Said hunter aided the Planeteers in stopping Greedly's canned hunt. Another episode about lab animals acknowledged that experimentation on animals is neccessary to find treatments/cures for diseases. Again there was a clear distinction made between humane research purposes and inhumane experimentation. But of course no-one ever talks about those episodes do they?

[@mr.vlaimes682]

Part of the reason I like villains like Carnage is because they admit their true motivation and commit to it.

[@noahwiley2846]

Yeah those characters are honest about there motives.

[@jturner2577]

And there also fun to read/watch because they have personalities.

[@NewPatriot778]

Even after watching the Marvel staff bring murder fantasies to life you two can still crack a smile. Honestly makes me feel a little better, but I'm still disgusted by what Marvel's doing, this is truly the point of no return.

[@theultimate341]

Marvel has lost its way since lee died

[@masterDarts4188]

@@theultimate341 Comics in general went downhill long before that.

[@shuukenji6585]

Is she like using the animals as meatshields? [Search wiki] "Animal Manipulation" - projecting the users thoughts on the animals. That's just Mind Control with extra steps... So she's basically making her their Drones

[@BENR8108]

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”-Tolkien

[@kittypeanut4102]

I wouldn't have a problem with this version of nature girl if the people who are doing this comic pictured her as a villain, but a hero? Really?? Ah, and i love your new spirites! They're really nice looking :D

[@davidfrancisco3502]

That breastless mass murderer freak doesn't look like a real girl It looks like a teenage felon wearing lipstick, a dress and lying about his sexual orientation to assault girls in their school bathroom.

[@Petraxes]

Now then, let's not be cruel to our flat-chested friends, they are women as much as anyone else. That being said, I'd much rather she not kill the poor workers trying to earn their daily bread. Though maybe someone like Bezos could do with a couple of bees in his pants.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

@@Petraxes The SJWs despises real women more than they claim to hate men. You can see It on how they're hell bent on erasing true female characters in media and replace them with breastless, androginous and covered up from neck to bottom freaks that looks like men and 10 years old boys.

[@Petraxes]

@@davidfrancisco3502 While I am not sure about other comics (nowadays I stick to manga), I really don't mind her design. Granted, she isn't voluptuous, but the features are present. Besides, she is supposed to be a schoolgirl, so it wouldn't make much sense for her to have the body of a grown woman.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

@@Petraxes When I was in high school I saw teenage girls with natural C cups or bigger.

[@Ransomations]

I'm not much of a comic reader, but is Nature Girl controlling the animals or just simply communicating with them, or both? Is she taking over their consciousness to do her bidding on what *SHE* think is right for them? I would like to see the animals confront her about her manipulating them like soldiers/slaves.

[@cartoonking1789]

That would require someone who doesn’t think terrorism is justified…

[@CoolG97]

Her powers list it as "Animal Manipulation" so she could be projecting her thoughts on the animals.

[@gustavogutierrez6568]

@@CoolG97 that just straight up mind control and mindless slaves

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

Both kinda. She can bond with them and ask them stuff, but she can also control them. In any case she definitely killed all those bees when she sent them to attack the pipeline workers, and turning the police dog against their master and taking it for herself doesn't look good either.

[@Raximus3000]

@@davidgusquiloor2665 Let's be fair the idea that animals are capable of complex thinking like climate change is moronic. They would care more about their basic needs and the idea of killing people that way would be implausible to them, not to mention a bear would be too scared to fight Wolverine by sheer instinct, so this crazy bitch is controling them to do her carry out her will.

[@jendoe9436]

I hate this obsession with environmentalism! It takes this unrealistic view that humans and nature are competing enemies that cannot reach a balance. As if the only options are “go back to mud huts and leaf skirts” and “the icecaps are melting and everything is on fire!” 🤦‍♀️ Humans have the great ability to overcome and manipulate the environment to our needs, and the environment will correct itself when needed. I too prefer green areas and little stuff, but I also love air conditioning and not having to hunt/gather my food. Balance is key! And quite demonizing the people who make society run! Without blue collar workers, these comic ‘writers’ wouldn’t have their cushy, central heating/cooling, go to coffeeshops constantly, or by able to buy the foods they want at the store. Oil and transportation workers are especially vital for economies! When those guys are down, the country stalls and these insufferable writers wouldn’t know how to open a can of beans with a manual can opener. Also, if someone cries “green energy!” but balks at nuclear, they are hacks who need to learn how the real world operates.

[@joshuawall646]

Try getting that through into their thick heads. You’d have a more productive time breaking down a concrete wall with a hammer made of silly putty than convince them that fixing the environment isn’t as simple as having the world stop using oil.

[@gelusvenn5063]

I think the main reason people argue against nuclear power is actually that the vast majority of our nuclear power facilities are horrendously outdated things from the 80s or earlier that produce large amounts of waste and are security risks. How and why this means we can't just... swap to the newer models that make more power, make less waste, take up less space *and* create more jobs, I couldn't tell you. If I'm being honest it's probably just that like all other problems: somebody who is already making money uses that money to stop somebody else from making more efficient money because that would stop the flow of their money. Can't have competition, after all, that's not fair to me, the established businessman. But also don't regulate muh free market.

[@jakzine540]

@@gelusvenn5063 It's simple really: Nuclear bombs are SCARY. And Nuclear Power means Nuclear! And Nuclear means Bombs! AND BOMBS ARE SCARY! And thus, most of the nations most able to make highly efficient, safe, job-heavy, reliable, excellent nuclear power as a stop-gap on the path to ever more sustainable power/resource/goods-manufacture scare up easy votes by endlessly demonizing nuclear energy. If you try to tell people how any of this works in any way, most of them just ignore you immediately and go back to their daily lives.

[@dragonuprising8378]

This definitely could've been a solution. However,from what I'm seeing/researching on at least,balance is something we've never been good st (especially when money is involved or has the potential too be) and even when we are learning it the progress is painstakingly slow and it is very frustrating to the point where people are either giving up or taking matters in their own hands

[@mistersippi2945]

Ill see your point but nature doesn’t “correct itself”. Take a look at all the hunting grounds that get destroyed and rivers too polluted to fish. We can work on things but it’s not like we can just magically fix things.

[@travisb.honest2438]

This seems like this is a villian origin story. One of those villians that think that they in the right but the way they are doing it makes them a villian. If you look at the picture at 8:52 she looks like she is now a villian. She cares for the environment and that is what starts it, but as time goes on she starts to find more and more enjoyment in what she is doing. She will still say it is all for the environent but it is more that she enjoys it and she doesn't care who or what she hurts or destroys in her way. Like that Bear she had fight Wolverine. She knew Wolverine would not kill it, but I can guarantee that if he did, accident or purpose, she would use that as justifiation to label the X-Men as enemies of hers and the planet's. Even if she was controling the bear to attack him.

[@liljenborg2517]

If it is a villain origin, than it's not just the origin story of turning Nature Girl into Marvel's version of the eco-terrorist version of Poison Ivy. Because ALL the X-men AGREE WITH HER. They all want to look the other way, or justify her murders. Not a single one of them speaks out against her psychotic serial murders except that they make mutants look bad. They even ultimately HELP her and power her up and send her back to keep murdering more people. As far as I'm concerned ever since the x-men went to Krakoa, they've transformed into villains. I don't know if Krakoa is somehow controlling Charles and through him everybody else, but the X-men have essentially fully joined the Brotherhood of Mutants and ultimately intend the extinction of humanity. These aren't even "X-men in name only". They are anti-x-men. If you do buy one of these books, don't store them next to a Clairmont written book without some form of magnetic containment to prevent them from touching. They narrative annihilation might wipe out your whole collection!

[@Raximus3000]

@@liljenborg2517 More like a dumb immitation. Poison Ivy is much smarter and capable than this animal devil, hell she looks more like Hela now.

[@jturner2577]

@@Raximus3000 And Poison Ivy is capable of actual love/compassion. And has at times even abandoned her crusades for Harley and I wouldn't be surprised if she contemplated retiring a few times solely to live a good life with her.

[@travisb.honest2438]

@@liljenborg2517 The difference between Nature Girl and Poison Ivy, is that Poison Ivy's goal is to protect plants and put them as the dominant thing on the planet. She would even go to great length to protect a plant even if it costs her her life. Nature Girl has been shown willing to let animals die or put them in positions they could die, like that bear. She is also devolving fast and can no longer see the damage her action would or could cause. That oil rig is a good example. She thinks blowing it up will help the planet but in fact her blowing it up will kill more animals and destroy more environments then it being there.

[@briannalee1998]

I agree. It sounds like a villian origin story.

[@LadyDeirdre]

I could actually see this being good if Nature Girl faced meaningful consequences for her actions, or better yet, was forced to see that her methods were completely ineffective at best, and at worst, actively counterproductive. Perhaps have her confront the MU's analogue of Greta Thonberg. She can remain a villain, sure, but give her a better reason; perhaps the sea turtle was just one thing too many. Or she can feel ecosystem damage and it's more than she can cope with. Seriously, I'm not even a professional writer and I can create a better treatment in a few moments.

[@vladimirlestrad3120]

But you just know that the writers are far too incompetent to write realistic consequences for this character. This is a straight up murder fantasy.

[@wren7195]

@@vladimirlestrad3120 Worse, it's an agenda. "If you're NOT on Nature Girl's side, YOU'RE the villain because you OBVIOUSLY LIKE seeing the planet suffer." These leaps of judgement are required to change a person from rational to insanity, and if you don't comply you'll be pressured into it.

[@erugurara8235]

what´s wrong whit a villain comicm people forget a villains comics is something has existed before.

[@seiggrainhart4719]

@@erugurara8235 The problem stems from the fact that most villain comics KNOW they're about the villain. This, was a villain comic trying to convince us it's about a hero.

[@erugurara8235]

@@seiggrainhart4719 that the typical cultist villian, they belive they can only be right becasue they concise themselves as "pure" thus cant do not wrong, these kind villans never adnnowledge being evil because they seem themselves are pure thus no crime has happend to what they belive.

[@soloswiTch7595]

It's abundantly clear that these current writers disregarded or never read Hickman's HoX or PoX. Cause one of the the mutant laws that the xmen made on Krakoa was to kill no man (humans) ya know the very thing they locked Saber tooth in a pit for doing. But screw continuity I guess

[@vladimirlestrad3120]

Continuity and rationality mean nothing to these hippie Commie pinkos.

[@gtf234]

It wasn't just this story though- the X-Men have been skirting their own rules ever since they decided to secede from the world to make Krakoa in the first place.

[@soloswiTch7595]

@@gtf234 would you mind giving an example cause i stopped reading x-men after they kept adding books to the new line cause if there are some rules i don't know about i would love to know

[@gtf234]

@@soloswiTch7595 The Hellions serial is a good example I guess, given Mister Sinister is still doing all his evil bullshit, including working with Arcade to add a new clone lab to Murderworld. While Emma had Empath in there as a spy and his operations are destroyed, the Quiet Council votes to cover the whole thing up and pretend none of it happened. In general, ever since they formed their own country, the X-Men became more and more unscrupulous to the point, as a reader, I want to call them the New Brotherhood of Evil Mutants... Really only Nightcrawler was calling them out on it...especially their "Crucible" deathgames for depowered mutants to be given their powers back (which is really just a sick game of cruelty when you break it down), and their procreative orgies with no intentions to actually raise any of these kids.

[@soloswiTch7595]

@@gtf234 Thanks for the examples. Can't say that I'm too surprised that something like this has happened, but it was inevitable. Charles and Magneto agreed on running a nation and having a council with some shady people. At some point they would run into problems like this and after catching up on Inferno this proves my past assumptions right. Again thanks for the examples, you're better than me to try and keep up with all those different x-titles

[@KelShu]

Ya' know, maybe Senator Kelly was onto something when he proposed the Mutant Registration Act

[@jturner2577]

He absolutely was, he just didn't have a nuanced stance on it until Pyro died. And he was sadly killed shortly afterwards because Cable was stuck on the Astral Plane. I like to think he would have proposed something like Canada's superhero registration act. That'd actually be a good What If story.

[@fbi3078]

@@jturner2577 well power corrupts that how America was founded on that notion give one person or even a group of people too much power they become corrupted by it and use it to abuse other people

[@remontariv1130]

OH MY GOD THIS COMIC IS SO DUMB Honestly they should've rewrote this with one of the antagonists as an actual environment protector who also has superpowers instead of wolverine so that the contrasts are there This comic is irredeemable by all accounts and makes actual environmentalists look bad making them look like terrorists Who the hell wrote this??

[@Raximus3000]

They usualy are that dumb though. To figure out how not to destroy the enviroment while harvesting material requires knowledge and thinking of which they hardly have and do.

[@gtf234]

Written by armchair activists with too much spite for humanity they wanted to vent to ink and paper. Anybody who actually cared about environmentalism would see this scenario wouldn't fix any problem- it doesn't even attempt to address them. The worst part is there is a moment in the darkforce scene with Black Mamba that calls it out and Nature Girl says she doesn't care...that right there proved this was never about environmentalism, it was just a made to be edgey murderporn.

[@cartoonking1789]

I never thought I’d side with the Sentinels but here we are.

[@a1rg3ar31]

This is a book written by a guy whose almost 50 years old, yet writes exactly like an angry 16 year old girl who just had her first gender studies/feminist theory class. Also, he has almost 0 creative writing history; he's made a career off of writing about other people and for award shows.

[@gokux75]

How do you do fellow kids lol

[@JemRau]

Maybe Greta Thunberg forced him to do this

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

​@Vivienne Koo how

[@stingingcake853]

The demonization of blue collar work is sort appalling to me, it goes to show the writers have never worked a blue collar job in their life. Most blue collar workers are just doing a job to make ends meet, they aren't pure evil. The companies, now, had nature girl somehow murdered the ceo of a company that was polluting after telling him to fix stuff, there would be more of an arguement. She'd still not be a hero. As someone who's getting a degree in environmental science, violence hardly, if ever, works to make changes. the only time I can think of is during the 70s when there was a big hoopla about native fishing treaty rights. Even then, it was more stuff like fish ins (think sit in, but on the water) being met with police violence. So it wasn't the protesters initiating the violence. The thing is, there is a compelling story to tell about these pipeline workers. The towns they live in are horribly polluted and drug addicted. There's also a connection between the pipeline towns and native women disappearing. Maybe not a great xmen story, but idk, it's a complicated situation that's about an actual social justice issue. On another note, I like the new avatars! they are very expressive!

[@miscielrossvillegas6307]

As part of the working class I am not impressed by the youth demonizing blue-collar work and this generation of heroes beating up the working class as their first act of heroism 🙄🙄🙄 You expect me to like your hero/vigilante who relishes the fact that they can make millions of people lose their livelihoods and families by committing an atrocity? I'm siding with the villain!

[@alyseleem2692]

Makes the two of us! Aye,Apocalypse! We wanna... Wait. He's in Krakoa. He's a good guy. Well let's try Magne- No. Also in Krakoa. What about Sebastia- Oh, for God's sake, why did they put EVERYBODY on THAT ISLAND?!

[@supergamergrill7734]

Most millennials and young people don’t do this. I’m young and have talked to many people it is just the loud minority and the hippy boomers…. BOOMERS!

[@Arvegtor]

Ok, let's imagine the "Nature Girl/Horned Idiot" somehow succeeds and kills however many people she wants (not that she actually seems to have a chance against pretty much any superhero with non-lame powers who would decide to stop her; or anybody can just shoot her - she is a dangerous criminal after all). Who's going to fix all the damage that's already done to the Earth? They should've used a murderous character to laugh at her instead of joining her, which would be better and stronger writing that makes much more sence.

[@theanarcade7404]

Captain Planet: "The power is your-" Nature Girl: *Murders an innocent man Captain Planet: "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! What have you done!"

[@johnarcher6150]

Be honest about our Eco Cult my lord?

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

It sounds like her powers are controlling animals along with being able to communicate with them. This is something comics seem to do a lot with communication automatically meaning control, with Aquaman and SquirrelGirl both having the ability to talk to animals and it being assumed this gives them full control over them. It would be nice to see comics where communication doesn’t automatically equal control, or at least more animal communication protagonists like Fluttershy that actually care about the well-being of the animals they’re asking favors of instead of putting innocent animals in fights they can’t hope to survive just to buy time to escape.

[@marshalapex9792]

I was always on the mutants side but after reading this I'm wondering how soon we can get the sentinels from X-Men days of the future past to hunt her down , out of all villains they got the job done in the most brutal and efficient way possible and then just send an army of them to krokoa to wipe out all the mutants and kill the Island itself because they quite literally let her go to do anything she wants.

[@localloser7415]

Honestly the Mutant registration act looks kinda good now

[@jturner2577]

I think it always did to be honest.

[@Quickpatch12]

You know, when Magneto killed people to save Mutant kind, you could see where he was coming from. He was a Holocaust survivor, he has seen the worst that humanity can do, not just to mutants, but to anyone they viewed as "different". Yet Magneto still agreed to lead the Xmen when Xavier was gone, he still viewed him as a friend and willing to help his "enemies" when they desperately needed it. and plus many times, he just wants a home for mutants so they could be left alone.

[@MichaelCollins1922]

This reminds of what Batman said to Ra's Al Ghul in BTAS two-parter "The Demon's Quest." After Ra's announces he intends to use the Lazarus Pits to kill almost half the earth population in order to heal the Earth, Batman responds with, 'Yes. It's clear to me now. You have completely lost your mind!' The X-Men Writers should have gone with that approach.

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

This mockery of a superhero comic feels an insult to Stan Lee's Legacy.

[@leeiif]

At the end there should have been a line about how she killed many people who would save many animals and helped the environment more than she could've.

[@kelpietales4503]

I've seen people insist that those criticizing X-Men Green are overreacting and it's a story no different that what you see in a Punisher book. The problem with that comparison (or any villain protagonist comapriosn) is: 1) The Punisher targets actual dangerous, scum of the earth people. Not a store manager who's only crime we saw was be cranky at a teenage girl for blame him for something he had no control over. The Punisher would have only attacked that guy if he knew he was a serial killer or had stashes of kiddie p*rn. 2) Other heroes in the Marvel Universe do not agree with the Punisher's actions or even like him. Sure, they'll agree the people he's usually after are horrible people who should be brought to justice but that's it. Here, the X-Men are more bothered Nature Girl got caught and damaged their PR. It also helps confirm what others have been saying since the Hickman era started that the X-Men as a whole have ceased being heroes as well as other cases like trying to kidnap Franklin Richards before they realized he isn't really a mutant. If they wanted to do an Eco-Punisher/Poison Ivy-sequence take on Nature Girl it could've been interesting if they were you know, actually vilify her actions instead of insist she's a hero and not fill it with straw men. Instead this reads like some overzealous activists' violent wet dream.

[@G.L.S_or_Goldy_Shine]

Damn. I never knew who Nature girl was before but now this comic disinterested me knowing more about her. This is what The comic industry is doing, especially to less known characters (since it seems they use the less known ones more for new issues like the Wonder twins, Nubia and now Nature girl). It also damages the well known characters who are in these comics like Wolverine. Idk what they are thinking since this won't go on for long as they think they will. Manga is taking over and comics are dying so they have to get their sh!t together. Btw love the new avatars! They look more animated and detailed!

[@jturner2577]

Manga has already won the war essentially.

[@noahwiley2846]

It has while medium has some bad stories here and there but a majority of it has kept either decent stories or great stories. Manga is even doing the superhero genre like with one punch man, my hero academia, and probably others to. Unless they stop with this over political, over identity agenda that's just inviting cruel bullies too these media I don't see most people sticking with most known media companies in America.

[@OneSpikeyGuy]

I love how the workers immediately go bonkers and attack the "peaceful" protesters with tools. First, its not even their fault the pipeline is being built. Second, this would never happen.

[@peterpidrak9501]

This comic seems Especially wrongheaded when you consider that one of the primary themes of X-Men was that even if you’re fighting for a good cause which the X-Men and the league of mutants were both doing if you use the wrong methods it makes you a bad guy.

[@monicacreator3168]

The protestors would have being GREAT parallels to Nature Girl, they show that humans can love nature and animals, making her question her mission or something But I guess it would have being good writing...

[@ToonamiT0M]

Firstly, individual people are not the problem. It is giant international corporations that do the notable polluting. A single person throwing trash on the ground is shitty, but an oil company spilling millions of gallons of oil or strip mining a rainforest is the real issue. A book where the X-Men address corporate pollution to bring awareness could be good, but big daddy Disney would never allow Marvel to portray giant corporations as bad. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney has stake in oil companies. Second, this is the Marvel Earth. Not ours. I'll use examples from DC, because I know more about that than Marvel, but it still applies. Recently in DC, they had an event called Endless Winter in which a magical creature caused the planet to freeze over. In reality, this would have devistated the world's ecosystems. But the heroes won and everything recovered. Then, DC goes and has Superboy protesting against carbon emissions, or something. This is a total disconnect from the reality of the universe. A hero, over their lunch break, can build an interdimensional teleporter that runs on a perpetual motion machine, but the cars still run on gasoline? Mr. Fantastic and Mr. Terrific would have solved their world's energy issues and released the pattents to the public for free. You can't have stories that are directly about issues our world is dealing with because those fictional worlds wouldn't have the same problems. You have to use allegory to represent the issue you want to address. But these modern writers and editors aren't clever enough to pull that off. So, we get trash like this X-Men story.

[@jamesburdo1058]

It's not international corporations. Most of the plastic waste in the Pacific comes from Chinese ships.

[@theelectricprince8231]

@@jamesburdo1058 Chinese ships? Chinese ships to where? And which companies do the manufacturing in China? Nice Sinophobia na d bigotry you got there.

[@jamesburdo1058]

@@theelectricprince8231 Mostly fishing and shipping all over the Pacific rim. Chinese companies do the manufacturing. I'm past the point where I can be shouted down by some idiot calling me a racist.

[@Noone-rs9sf]

@@jamesburdo1058 As someone living in Hong Kong, no you're not racist. But definitely misinformed. China harbors half if not most plastic pollution due to poor hygienic practices and overabundance of landfills. Hong Kong does not have enough land to have landfills so they have their share at China, which results to excessive waste. Fishing boats or Chinese ships don't really do anything but, like, sail. So no you're not racist? But you're definitely so far off that you make it sound like you are because you brought that up out of the blue. Very interesting that China is brought up though since Lin is Chinese and she seemed pretty pressed about plastic. Could have used that detail as a way to spice up her character, having her knowing the waste issues in China and detecting her blood relation.

[@jamesburdo1058]

@@Noone-rs9sf From the Wikipedia article on marine debris en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_debris "The 10 largest emitters of oceanic plastic pollution worldwide are, from the most to the least, China, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Egypt, Malaysia, Nigeria, and Bangladesh,[26] largely through the rivers Yangtze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Nile, Ganges, Pearl, Amur, Niger, and the Mekong, and accounting for "90 percent of all the plastic that reaches the world's oceans."[27][28]" " The largest single type of plastic pollution (~10 %) and majority of large plastic in the oceans is discarded and lost nets from the fishing industry.[2] " "An estimated 10,000 containers at sea each year are lost by container ships, usually during storms.[29] "

[@Radley1982]

Wow, this comic shows the real truth about today's social activists, especially the really woke ones. It's not about equality or justice or protecting anything, it's *all about power.* Nature Girl didn't kill those people to protect anyone or anything, it's was all to feel powerful. Same theme is repeated by the new Batwhamen at the start of season 2: "Time to be powerful." Yet they've clearly forgotten that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just proves that today's writers resonate more with villains than actual heroes.

[@boxdryer6973]

At this point maybe Thanos was right to wipe out half the universe

[@drakofox1362]

He messed up tho he wiped out the wrong half

[@joshuaottley7902]

Nope he was wrong... why stop at half?

[@minhkhatran2030]

@@joshuaottley7902 well he tried to go futher in the second movie tho

[@joshuaottley7902]

@@minhkhatran2030 should have done it right the first time...

[@jumboratt615]

just make it every universe so theres no longer bullshit

[@arturzinurov4781]

They somehow made Light Yagami look like a Saint

[@shadowdramon01]

Not gonna lie, for the longest time, when I saw pictures of Nature Girl without her hair, I thought she was Hela. X-Men used to be my favorite comic franchise, but I stopped reading largely because of Schism, Avengers vs X-Men and the following X-Men books that turned Wolverine into the leader who always right and Cyclops literally became a terrorist. And from what I’m hearing, these more recent books are doing nothing to bring me back, because it looks like they made the X-Men a bunch of mutant supremacists when the entire point was to live in harmony with humans Also, did you girls update your avatars? They look more detailed and expressive.

[@johnjohn2570]

The X-men have always been terrorist

[@redstarbayyt3528]

...😐

[@erindunn6689]

I think this whole series is the perfect allegory for the modern X-Men run as a whole. A “utopian” society comprised entirely of super powered individuals with no regard for the sanctity of human life operating on an “us vs. them” kind of mentality that the story wants to portray as a good thing because it’s all based on the idea of preservation and “justice.” I know that’s a bit of a generalization, but those are the vibes that this current run, and this series especially, are giving me, and as an X-Men fan, I don’t like it.

[@greenguardian5845]

Even Ghost Rider knows this version of Nature Girl is no hero and guilty of killing innocent victims in her mission to "save the world"

[@LordInquisitor701]

Did he fight Nature girl and kill her

[@greenguardian5845]

@@LordInquisitor701 Chances are No if he's not in this story. This is just a hypothetical possibility of how Ghost Rider would judge this Version of Nature Girl

[@LordInquisitor701]

@@greenguardian5845 If that’s how she goes I’ll be happy

[@jturner2577]

@@LordInquisitor701 That or her horns either shot or cut off. And thrown in the raft.

[@greenguardian5845]

@@LordInquisitor701 I Definitely would like to see Ghost Rider execute Nature Girl in a way that's more Cathartic. What would be a Cathartic way for her to Die?

[@mr.vlaimes682]

This reminds me of Thanos' backstory. He performed deadly experiments on living beings, including his own mother. However, this was just a coverup because he didn't want to admit that he just plain liked killing. When he experimented on his mother, he finally admitted that to her and himself. In short, he used an ethical/just reason to cover the fact that he just liked killing. Nature girl seems the same. Saying she feels alive after killing a bunch of people certainly isn't doing her any favors.

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

I don't get what the editors were thinking at all, it also becomes a ridiculous bad comedy when Sauron and Black Mamba appear. 0:40 THANK YOU! Humans are part of nature, everything that exist in the known universe is. I'm tired of the humans bad message many bad envoirementalist media pushes. 4:26 A lot of people also neglected this, i remember reading it and being confussed how they were "respectfully asking them to stop" after throwing the rock, you guys have a good eye for detail. As for the comic, all the council is morally bankrupt, for not caring she took lives because of the value of life but because of the bad PR, and for thinking she was right at all in any way. The fact that they let Nature Girl go scott free at the end is the worst part, it's one of the sacred laws that they can't kill people. I really hope it's revealed all the mutants in Krakoa are Plant clones, because if they aren't then they make the sentinels look like the good guys. P.S. I don't know if sea turtles can puke a plastic bag, but i have seen the insides of their mouth and it's scary full of spikes that trap things inside.

[@Wright805]

Sadly, sea turtles choking on plastic is something that does indeed happen all too often.

[@jamesburdo1058]

The Council didn't let her go, it was Krakoa and Cypher. I've never seen a sea turtle die from choking on a plastic bag. Some people are worried that they might get intestinal blockages from them, but the big danger is them swallowing sharp plastic parts. The biggest source is fishing equipment.

[@DD8842]

First of love the new art its adorable. 2nd Thank you for enduring that environmentalist revenge fantasy so we don't have to. I'm sure it made someone look good at a California wine tasting, while they begged for a netflix deal.

[@CoolG97]

Nature Girl sounds like Uma Thurman's Poison Ivy. Does she say that the death of millons is an "acceptable loss to save mother earth"?

[@JayRedGear]

That Poison Ivy was also kinda dumb when she teams up with Mr. Freeze, the guy who wants to freeze the world (cause an ice age that killed the dinosaurs) which would be very damaging to the environment.

[@CoolG97]

@@JayRedGear She claimed to have replaced her blood with aloe, clearly, she got her doctorate online.

[@theonlychickensama8353]

@@CoolG97 Probably was prescribed by a facebook ' doctor '

[@josteinhenrique2779]

I'm writing an original story about, after a national disaster on my country (Brazil), people starts to gain superpowers. Mostly of the people use their new superpowers for personal gains, with two major groups: one is composed by minorities who "fight" unequality and oppression by using fear and terrorism against innocent people. The other group is a bunch of vigilantes who just want to destroy the first group, no matter the cost. Sometimes I think that I'm writing strawman villains, but comics like this show me that this is a real, serious issue happening nowadays. Btw, against these antagonists, stands a girl with a tokusatsu-like armor. I chose that because I feel tokusatsu heroes are some of the few modern characters that are still actual heroes, like Kamen Rider Build or Ex-Aid.

[@jturner2577]

That's a comic/manga I'd read.

[@Wright805]

That sounds like a great story.

[@drakofox1362]

Now that's something I'll check out

[@willmangrum3686]

Okay, that sounds cool. I also like writing superhero stuff, and it hurts me to see ACTUAL PUBLISHED COMIC WRITERS creating "heroes" that don't help people. Isn't that what a hero does?

[@TwilightWolf032]

And here I thought Apokolipse War was a case apart... On an unrelated note, love your updated avatars :D

[@billyballew7884]

I miss the Claremont era of X-Men. Well written characters with good art. I wish that they'd just wipe the whole slate clean and start over.

[@jturner2577]

That or publish his unmade grand finale Mutant Wars.

[@Sivick314]

god damn, no wonder people don't read comics anymore. are we sure this wasn't about a villain? she's literally a more homicidal poison ivy

[@noahwiley2846]

What do you read now?

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Even Ivy has more regard for human life

[@Veriquo345]

Wow these comics suck😭Nature girl is not a character anyone can relate to unless you’re absolutely crazy. Nature girl is a villain. I mean really she has all the traits of a villain. I don’t understand how you can go and stab a random guy who works in store over a plastic bag that was found in the ocean. There’s no reason for that and the guy wasn’t even responsible for the turtles death. The only way for these comics to sort of “work” for marvel is if the writers gained some kinda self awareness and just embraced the fact that everything she does is evil lol.

[@ShineDark]

The writers at Marvel have said it themselves. They’re the kind of people who fantasize about being supervillains and using their powers to hurt as many people as possible and destroy as much as they can.

[@aethertoast4320]

"How can they claim to be peaceful when they threw a rock" That pretty much sums up all that is wrong with modern 'protestors'. That is also the kind of person that wrote this comic.

[@Mr-Ad-196]

Peaceful shooting at the protestors with a faster rock from the boom stick lol.

[@davidcopperfield5345]

You just stole my heart with that line. People keep forgetting we're not aliens. We were born here. Everything we've created is still from here.

[@oskar6661]

My opinion? I love when companies make it easy not to give them my money. It's much easier when giant companies like this do something so stupid that I don't have to bother researching or digging deep to find out anything. So...thanks, Marvel.

[@blackcat7k]

When the anti hero phase kicked off in comics it was all downhill from there. X-Men have been villains for quite a while now. Threatening humanity at large with their Omega level mutants. Running around subverting the will of people. Enforcing segregation.... Yeah, does anyone wonder why people go to Manga more today? The nutters are in charge of the big two now.

[@majordolmann2767]

She doesn't even go after the people directing the "market capitalist destruction", she goes after randos who work for low wages, and the comic still makes them look like the bad guys.

[@tobubiify]

we're in "villains are just misunderstoon heroes" era now, we started off as thinking of it ironically and then people starts to get influenced by it and thinking it unironically. the "blablabla did nothing wrong" mentality, started off as a troll coments and look where we are now. "oh it's just a joke it won't go anywhere" and then it created a whole new genre "oh it's just a fiction, people won't actually be a psycopath" idk about that man

[@sims4kiwi162]

Also, Im an author and I have characters who kill people, but they aren't heros. And even if the character thinks their actions were justified, it won't be treated that way. Murder is wrong period.

[@FillaneAmmisto]

It would be more interesting if she would be confronted by someone to ask if it's about justice and the environment or her own vendetta. We know that misery is just on a killing spree and nature girl teaming up with her is not even close to heroic. I'm also tired of this Mary Sue bs where everyone who disagrees with her is as nuanced as a captain planet villian, while everyone else is there to agree with her.

[@bbgunz1705]

0:24 I love the angry pose that M has. She looks so sassy with her hands on up her hips, like she ain't taking none of this comic's bullcrap.

[@Parapon3ra]

I blame cultural marxism.

[@insectwarriorjojo7780]

agreed. I love karl Marx but this my option on this: this corrupt version of Marxism disgust me

[@christopherauzenne5023]

Some part of me hopes this all was intentional & they clearly wanted her to come off as a psychopath, but I know for a fact none of these writers are that self-aware (along with the narration clearly showing what side the writer is on). I keep saying this in multiple comment sections, but I'll keep saying it to get the world, I feel we should all wait till marvel's stock becomes so low that we can pull our money together, buy it, and then get rid of the nut jobs.

[@TF2Fan101]

"Oh, no! I'm allergic!" To quote Pitch Meetings- 'That almost sounds like something a human would say!'

[@carcionpetto]

imagine how stupid the trees that got used to make this comic must feel

[@bbgunz1705]

Wow. That's really all I can say, just wow. This story probably would've been better if they actually treated her as a villain. She really comes across as a horribly written Magneto. Yes, Magneto did have a tragic backstory that makes it understandable why he hates humans, and he is noble in how he wants best for mutants, but most stories still acknowledge that his extremist actions are wrong and aren't going to help anything. But NOOOOOOO, of course Nature Girl is totally right in killing all these humans, and actually gets away with no consequences. I should be surprised, but by this point, all I can do is sigh. (Also, did they realize that in the end Nature Girl looks exactly like Hela? Again, doing a terrible job at convincing us she's not evil.) If I wanted to engage with media that actually touches the topic of environmentalism with nuance, I'd just rewatch Princess Mononoke again. Seriously, it's a film I can never give enough praise to. It's one of the only pro-environment things I've seen (I haven't seen a lot, but still) that remembers to treat the humans like... actual humans. In fact, let me talk about the main antagonist, Lady Eboshi, and why she's my favorite character in the movie. Yes, her actions are hurting the forest, but the film doesn't just make her this "Haha I'm evil and I do bad things just because evil" person. She's actually capable of empathy. She takes lepers and brothel girls, people society have rejected, and gives them a place in her town and jobs to do. Her killing the Forest Spirit is not good, but she does it because she thinks it's the best way to protect her village from warlords. Lady Eboshi truly does fascinate me. Many of her actions are indeed wrong, but when I see how much her people care for her, and how much she cares for her people, I can never bring myself to hate her. Also, she does receive consequences for her actions. Princess Mononoke also teaches us that violence and hatred is not the answer, and that if we give into our hate, it will only destroy us. It's a message that Nature Girl and the writers of this comic definitely need bashed into their heads. Hopefully one day, they, as well as us, can see with eyes unclouded by hate.

[@jturner2577]

Princess Mononoke is one of the best works of Pro Evinormentalism ever.

[@noahwiley2846]

That a great film. It was one those popular anime films I saw back as kid along with spirited away and the moving castle.

[@thebigidea9659]

Its books like these that open up a window into the minds of the people who worked on it.It scares the hell out of me and really makes me cautious of other people with extremist ideals.

[@inky-hi7235]

I personally think the comic is about how a character with power can put any justification of their actions. Nature girl is supposed be the token villain because we almost think every time they have reasons to kill its need to be relatable. I believe nature girl and curse is put together to show how they are alike but also show that nature girl is straight up fuck up in her motives.

[@cyberellawho876]

when the villians moral compass is greater than the "heroes"......yup thats current marvel

[@commonsense5199]

Every time I see X men Green, it makes me more and more depressed of how bad Marvel had gotten. If x men green becomes an actual series I'll never buy that comic. I really want to know what is going on in The head of X men Editor, Jordon White. What was he thinking? He read this, he allowed this to happen and he thought this is a good story? And Bad comics like this start controversy and overshadows what little good comics we got left. Like the only two modern x men comic that are actually good was Hellions and Way of X but both of them ended. Way of X is getting a sequel called the Legionaries or Legion of X(hope they kept the same writer because he care about writing a good comic). So far the Modern Marvel comic I've enjoy was Strange Academy and Darkhawk by Kyle Higgins. they cares about their audience and write their characters as heroes.

[@jturner2577]

Spider Gwen is still pretty good as well. X-Men Demon Days mini series was cool as well. And Deadpool has an online manga that's actually really good he even made a brief crossover with My Hero Academia.

[@noahwiley2846]

@@jturner2577 Deadpool had a crossover in my hero academia!?

[@jturner2577]

@@noahwiley2846 Actually it was the other way around.

[@dakotamcchristian495]

Now I know what to do if I somehow go on a murderous rampage. Find a psycopath that loves murder so I look good by comparison and have a super vague reason like, "I stubbed my toe, so now all people that has worked for Ikea or has been in a furniture store must die."

[@michaelpeacock640]

I don't understand this fascination with violence and death in books like this. It almost seems to tie in with this strange fetish for destruction that certain ideologues (sorry, "creatives") seem to subscribe to. Here's the thing: Violence, death, and destruction are easy. Think of kicking over a Jenga tower. All it takes is one action for everything to come crashing down. It's a simple solution, and as such appealing to those who want an easy blanket remedy to their problems. Things like creation, cultivation, and reconstruction are much harder. Going back to the Jenga example, it takes time and energy to balance the Jenga tower, but the end result is that something has been made out of it. Creation is complex and difficult and oftentimes doesn't work out right away, but it's worth it in order to create something enduring. This fucking comic epitomizes destruction, violence, and bloodshed with this disgusting veneer of "justice". None of this is necessary or acceptable. Perhaps Nature Girl could take a cue from Bisexual "Superman" and do a goddamn protest, but no instead she has to violently murder people for the sake of The Green (sorry, Gaia) and call humans an infection that needs to be purged. What an absolute disgrace to the X-men name.

[@SamtheBravesFan]

Ah, yes, protesting a pipeline which closures of one from Canada to this country have made gas prices skyrocket. VERY topical.

[@jendoe9436]

Not to mention screwing the Natives out of the property rights and later profits. Now there’s still a demand for oil cause EVERYTHING uses some type of oil by product, like this comic paper and colors, but a lower supply, making prices go up. Anyone who protests oil pipelines are idiotic hacks with no clue of how the real world functions. 🤦‍♀️

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

Don't forget that the closure of pipelines mean oil now has to travel by train, trucks or ships, all three that have a higher risk factor of pollution and environmental damage

[@maggiehill3926]

Nature Girl reminds me of a lesser Marvel villain, Green Skull. He was portrayed as a deranged hippie Had the same ideals and method, but he never succeeded.

[@i.r.raharjo8706]

"Oh no, I'm allergic!" Who thought of this and think this is a line that should be put in a comic

[@zannchristo]

People in the Marvel Universe still have pollution? SHIELD got giant space ships that can float endlessly, Stark can literally build anything, hell, it's surprising they even have normal fire arms

[@disappearingangel4972]

The only good thing about this comic is they are proving how demented environmental activists can be. Now if only it was the point of the comic where Nature girl starts off as a villain then realizes her mistakes. This is the reason why old characters who are lesser known were lesser known for a reason. Because they lack any meaningful story material and should stay that way if Marvel doesn't know how to make a comic.

[@b3rz3rk3r9]

As much as I like the environment and want to protect it (I happily work as a state park groundskeeper), murder and homicide (technically, Genocide of all humans) IS NOT WORTH THE ENVIRONMENT! This just seems like a good reason to bring back Sanitariums, because the writer's obviously hiding some sort of murderous desires that are conflating with their emviro-political beliefs. Plus, I feel bad for Nature Girl going from flower child to genocidal maniac. Also, like the new sprites for the video, you two. I like the how much more expressive they are.

[@mattkuzminski8035]

The worst part is that this character wasn't like this before. This is a complete 180 for Nature Girl, and it's just so poorly written that it's hard to ignore.

[@Wright805]

Well said.

[@reyarturonegro5284]

In japan the super hero are HERO, boku no hero academy, One punch man etc. In USA the lesft-wing destroy to good, truth and justice. In USA the main character is the villain.

[@mikethompson1653]

They're saying that Marvel's ruining their brand but these "writers" are just using these characters as self inserts for their political agendas, they don't give a sht about their comics

[@LemonBomb24]

Remember when comics where just a fantasy world, without reflection to much of the real world? As someone who grew up with OG comics, they helped get through a lot. As an outcast I found an escape into a fantasy world where the heroes always save the day and good always prevailed. But now, now when I try to revisit this fantasy world I am met with reality. The bitter reality that I am trying to escape. I just want to be inspired again by hero's who knew where to draw the line, who held their values, and faced evil when they saw it. Now we get "heroes" who are more villains than the villains they fight, where killing is a means to an end, where the "heroes" are now the judge, jury, & executioner.

[@noahwiley2846]

Yeah I'm pretty disappointed about it too. I've turned to anime and manga now with these recent mind sets.

[@humblemarty]

Nature Girl is Nature Karen because it took a lawsuit from an oil company to stop her.