Removing rusted lug nuts takes hours

Gotta love working on vintage buses. This kind of stuff is always just one bolt away. The stud was spinning in the hub. At first we thought a slot in the stud would allow us to spin the inner lug nut off the stud. We abandoned that idea and pulled the hub and went at it from the back side. A couple of hours later we got the stupid thing off. It’s not always sunshine and rainbows but never give up...oh and as an added bonus the parking brake was on while they wheel was spinning. It was 100% out of adjustment. Aka inoperable. Hubs on wrong side, missing studs hidden, short studs, broken studs, non working brakes etc. this simple task of removing wheels was a real eye opening project. The dewalt impact gun worked great on the ones that were not seized

[@Cookiecrumbles93]

The amount of people commenting on how your doing it wrong that have no idea on how inner and outer budd nuts work is baffling! Love the channel👍

[@Cookiecrumbles93]

Mr Sunshines wow you should change your handle to “mr storm clouds” crabby. If you read the comment section on this video Scott has explained the situation a few times.

[@douglaswagoner2754]

Thank you for making all of your videos. I learn from them. I have twin 871 twin turbos in one boat and a 671 in another one so I need to learn a lot. You are very good at your job.

[@axeman6560]

That's outrageous, I really feel for all the mechanics that have to deal with this sort of thing. If it was me I'd move south!

[@SIONARAFLORIDA]

Oh man oh man, i would have thrown about sixteen tantrums and five freak outs over that stud. And it would have taken me ten years to get that done.

[@sledchick01]

Looks like the stuff you run into in Michigan with the rust. i just had to torch out a couple of studs this week that did the same thing on a trailer hub. I used a torch to gouge out the inside, hard on the torch tip but saves the rim. In Michigan you learn to use a oxy acetylene torch like a surgeons scalpel. Love the videos, I have a 1955 4104. glad to see that someone other than me is working on these old pigs!

[@jimjackle6282]

I'm lucky to live in southern Oklahoma where we rarely get snow and road salt. Too bad they can't use something other than salt to melt the snow.

[@ultimatem9178]

I'm so amazed about so many jobs that you work on and it's fixing someone's bad work.

[@scottkasper6378]

He’s hammering it clockwise and you’re wrenching it counterclockwise. I don’t get it

[@trimmerman1]

You are one of the busiest youtubers out here. Such an interesting and unique subject. This is a combination comment I won't do all the time. My extended family and I have all, over the decades, traveled by bus occasionally. You know, for work, unusual trips, A must do trip when the car is down, sometimes the ladies don't like driving long trips, etc. Leave the driving to us, right? At Christmas dinner, everyone of us has stories of broke down buses. "The hound broke down and left us all stranded in downtown Birmingham." It seems it is not a new thing. When I look at your video's and see how relatively easy it is to maintain a bus. You can do any sort of maintenance on a bus on the side of the road if you have the parts. It really burns me that it is not done. Sloppy maintenance, Dangerous mistakes, Work done that is backwards and flat out wrong and there is no reason for it. The machine was made to be taken apart and fixed efficiently. I don't understand why it is so often not done.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

No $ is why. Airlines are much more glamorous and they struggle too

[@steveheiser7111]

You have alot more patient then I have Scott for sure.....frigggg...good job sticking with it...

[@Viperman200221]

I always love fixing how the last "mechanic" fixed it!

[@bccratemotoradventures2485]

Let me tell you I just can’t get enough of your videos I’m just watching and learning and I don’t have a bus but I do have 32ft motor home gas pusher lol Always learning thank you

[@roverdad]

Wow, that was a real pitb. Lots of patience needed. Thanks for sharing!

[@donaldroberts6452]

Thank God men who are not afraid to get their hands dirty. Thank you for not wearing rubber gloves. I'm all for staying clean, but sometimes you just have to man up. Love the videos.

[@robertquast9684]

I know studs aren’t cheap but with that many issues I think I’d replace them all

[@lucydennison9408]

Robert Quas

[@TheWrench97]

Been there I found drilling the stud in the center to be the easiest way out.

[@sikorik9964]

Whoa that reminds me of when I was 15 and busted tires to pay for my Camaro while I was in highschool. That is hard and heavy tedious work, good thing I stayed in school.

[@SaltyPO]

Why people do stuff like that ill never know, find the time to do it right or youll have to find the time to do it twice. Nice video as always!

[@johndowe7003]

called wrenching, stuff like that always happens when you work on stuff, thats why the mechanics charge what they charge. sometimes a ten minute job turns into a 3 hr one. thats just how it is, i mean what are you gonna do about it? it has to be done regardless

[@dcw1540]

Wow what a job. You guys have to do the work. Thanks

[@lesbest2]

Watch the Bridgestone Tire video about internal tire fires and explosions. Torches and inflated tires are DANGEROUS to people. Hate to see an accident.

[@mahatma171]

"Do you need another rag?" "Maybe a beach towel..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mahatma171]

ugh. I don't miss these kinda jobs!! Been there.....

[@tony66au]

The crap we find eh? Fixing others mistakes is both a blessing and a curse, The curse is cost, the blessing is the education and peace of mind knowing the jobs done and done well.

[@debbieholmes6441]

You guys seem to be having a mell of a hess getting this bus in working order! Who is going to be driving it after it's done and ready for it's maiden voyage? My husband and I are going to retire in a few years and we want to get an older diesel activity bus and fix it up bc we don't like those cardboard boxes they call an A Class RV! I don't like the slides bc everyone I've talked to says they leak! I want something solid that has a good roof! Best of luck to y'all! Maybe y'all will have it all done by the time we need one!🤣 God bless y'all! SCOOTER🛵

[@rustynail4676]

Looked like somthing I'd get myself into.

[@HillbillyonaYZ]

When trying to repair/restore any old vehicle, 2/3 of the job is unscrewing previous owner/mechanic's screw ups..

[@phillipmiller4139]

Has a 87 s-10 that I spend years fixing the "other" guys screwups

[@Wayoutthere]

Still busy fixing my bus because of that..

[@kiddiescripterkiller]

When getting hardened bolts out, I use a dremel or a rotozip (depending on how much room I have.) with a carbon steel burr to grind it out... You can by taking your time, you can even get it to the point where you don't screw up the external or internal threads... I have done snapped off sub frame bolts and stuck CV joint nuts without having to cut open the frame or replace the CV joint. Also you can weld a nut to the bolt if it snapped off... On the subframe I did that, on one I got it out on the other, it snapped the bolt off even farther... So I ground it out with a dremel.

[@larrygall5831]

Working on a bus wearing flip-flops.. That's my kind of bus mechanic.

[@josephcovellojr2574]

Been there! Good job!

[@albinklein7680]

I was completely baffled when I got my hands on my first cap nuts when I was in the US for a long vacation. I'm from Germany and here such things just dont exist. I think I will never get the point of that technique. Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to brag about German engineering; but we have normal bolts with right hand threads and conical/spherical washers on the wheels of our trucks since 1886 and it works just fine. Nice job btw! I absolutely loved the totally futile attempt to chisel that cap nut off. I was kind of whispering at my screen "pleeeease, let go you stupid nut". Hate those jobs!

[@midcenturymodern9330]

Ugh! Nothing worse that trying to fix stuff after a "driveway mechanic" was in there first!

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

Ok I need a happy mechanic video. I was fired up and looking for a bus. You have the patience of a saint. Is there going to be a bleep outtake video from this. Thanks to MRS Camera operator for hanging in there and showing all the pain..you're a great team..

[@watajob]

My wife has said that there's no 30 minute job I can't accomplish in four hours... :(

[@gibsonbuilds4841]

Great job on getting it done!

[@tbas1972]

If I had a bus like that, you'd be the only one to work on it

[@EdwardEiting]

This is my new favorite channel!

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

Awww I’m blushing but you can’t tell because my face is dirty.

[@craigmonteforte1478]

I can’t. Figure out what impressed me most on this video no busted knuckles or cursing Getting those lug nuts off In all honesty thats what seperate the men from the boys growing. Up that was. The way my old man was he wouldn’t stop untill he beat the problem i remember working with him losing count on how many coffees he would have. To go all night if he had to i always knew if he got another cup we were going another hour at least I have to give my Mom some credit as well because the old man wouldn’t want to go in the kitchen with his greasy clothes or hands so he would just call her by hey Laur short for Laurie and she would say just bring your cup its a fresh pot

[@dozer1642]

I was thinking that you were gonna have to pull the whole dang hub/drum off with the wheel on. What a mess, but those fake lug nut covers sure are pretty!

[@timothyhays1817]

What a pain in back side. I had a 69 Plymouth that some dumb dumb swapped the front brake drum (hub) side to side. I discover it on my first flat.

[@Thief400]

You just reminded me why I hated Bud wheels lol

[@EricH928]

There's always that one bolt that just will not die.

[@raybendle9522]

Our old country coach was backwards on lug sides as well. Assumed hubs were not switched at factory when diff goes in backwards

[@bbordner]

You are dealing with "frozen" stud piloted inner cap nuts. There is a tire guy secret to get these off. It is a sledge hammer. I run into these regularly. After you remove the outer hex nuts grab a big Then sledge hammer. Put on your safety glasses. Hit those square inner cap nuts on the square end as hard as you can about 2 or 3 times. What that does is it jars the frozen joint loose. Then remove the inner nuts. If they are still froze-repeat the sledge hammer step to the square end. Did I say hit them hard because I meant hit them hard! This works every time. I could have had these 10 inner nuts off in 5 minutes, I swear. I wish you had called me.

[@bambam680]

If I'm not .mistaken lefthand studs are on the right cause the wheel is rolling to tighten. And the left side the right hand so the wheels always grow to tighten.

[@fabiomuller2903]

Sorry but not rights on the right and lefts on the left as the bus rolls forward wheel nuts keep tight

[@smalltownendeavors630]

bambam680 for stud piloted wheels this is the case yes. Although really not needed on many older vehicles with stud piloted wheels or a double lug nut, they use reverse thread on the curb side of the vehicle

[@triviace]

The difference between success and failure is to sweat the small stuff,sometimes way more than you imagined!

[@sniperneil53]

Did you figure out why, when the stud was low down, it was turning with the hammer strikes and not when it was up top? The chisel was being hammered INWARDS, not downwards when it was up top. When it was down low, the angle of the chisel gave the guy with the hammer no choice but to hammer down, therefore it turned.

[@rajinkanhai8294]

There is a tool looks like a socket with splines inside you just have to hit in the stud and turn out verry simple

[@jfree4513]

Love the camera person is in the mix!

[@takeastandorbeenslavedby-left]

I would be so irritated, thank god you seem to have great patience

[@arthureverett8220]

I would remove all the rust on the studs nuts and wheel surfaces with a wire brush then apply Motorkote hyper lubricant to all threads and surfaces to prevent any future rust

[@notyou1877]

Torch it! It can't be tight when it turns to liquid.

[@papabits5721]

It’s the way she goes !

[@steverzepecki500]

I never had this problem, I used Never Seez on all threads. I've used it on spark plug threads on my car. Good stuff. Many uses.

[@davem5333]

Where I lose patience is when I am 3 hours into a 5 minute job.

[@loismays4620]

PLEASE PLEASE all of you!! for safety sake remember techniques that heat the rim with inflated tires, such as welding or extensive grinding times can cause an explosion. VERY unsafe please do a quick search for videos on welding rims with inflated tires. For as little as 12 seconds of welding the tire exploded from the residual heat 2 minutes 3 seconds later. Great channel I always love your work but, please, anyone out there who might not be aware of the potential danger, BEWARE

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

The tire was flat.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

It really was flat though. See the ring on it from touching the outer tire. It has a giant nail in it.

[@loismays4620]

@@BusGreaseMonkey I did see that but check this out www.ihsa.ca/pdfs/safety_talks/tire_explosions_pyrolysis.pdf www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBUVz...ayer_embedded#

[@the.porter.productions]

Now that was unexpected!! What a job. 😳 Did you replace the nuts as well or were they ok after cleaning? Enjoyed it.🤩 It’s always good to have an extra pair of hands when working on a rig like that.

[@jettpro6647]

Oh, that was a war with that bad stud. That’s a lot of terrible maintenance happening to that old bus. I wonder what else is lurking on it!

[@charlespratt9766]

I saw a video where a socket fits the end of a craftsman screwdriver.

[@kolsen6330]

Put a little button of metal on the end of the stud with an arc welder. let cool. repeat a couple of more times, oiling between welds. The heat shock will break the stud loose.

[@maxfritz4813]

In my shop we drill out the stud its usually faster and causes less collateral damage

[@billmoran3812]

Any time you have to use the “adjustable wrench holds screwdriver “ trick, you know you are in a mess.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

I really thought is was going to work. It’s worked in the past. Then i stepped up to a big chisel.

[@deerlakediver5554]

Use a carbide hole saw, just larger than the stud, cut the bolt out.

[@12345678989814]

Yep it's amazing how one little simple thing it shouldn't take much time turns into something like this LOL that's why I laugh at people when they look at me and go well why don't you just fix this or why don't you just do that it won't take but a few minutes to do it in most instances those are the projects that wind up taking days LOL

[@k9advcru562]

Good job fellas! stud piloted AKA Budd wheels are terrible to deal with.

[@k9advcru562]

@Rick Delair I Didn't! These busses are far from junk

[@RMTTR640]

If you change a few... I say change them all and get the longer ones also use some antisieze and torque them ....alcoa has a service manual for the wheels lots of good information in it dont skimp on wheel studs lug nuts and brakes

[@popsoldboats3406]

Did you not have access to a 1inch impact wrench? Or did I miss that not working?

[@Ezrider359]

oh what fun.....iv had some days like that before myself.

[@MostlyInteresting]

What is different about the hubs other than the stud handedness?

[@coachman290651]

hi next time think of welding a bolt or nut to stud and use to remove R/S stud love ya work

[@johnh8192]

- don't know that he carries a welder in his bus

[@coachman290651]

@@johnh8192 these days they make small welder that get out pickle tad larger than a shoe box and i have had my share of that same type of crap but it great see some one who does right way not take short cuts cheers frm downunder

[@omegamanprivate7132]

Willet they write that the lug bolt behind the inner cap but is spinning.

[@omegamanprivate7132]

Cap bolt! Autocorrect.

[@coachman290651]

@@omegamanprivate7132 u is correct

[@dbrownFSJ]

I had to do a 4wheel brake job on a trailer years ago. Tires where the same stud pilot nuts and cones. Had to cut all inners and outers out with the torch. I know that headache

[@extrastype]

Bolt caps are great if you keep the stud and nut greased. If they are dry water gets under the cap and never dries out. Result rusted solid..

[@prevost8686]

It’s the dissolved road chemicals in the water that’s causing that. Down here in the Southeast you’ll never see rust like that under the covers.

[@alabamainformedpublic.]

I do semi truck tires all the time ran across this problem I take my tire bar try out on the tire put a 1 inch gun on it apply pressure while back in the nut off it comes right off you can do the same with a crowbar or Tire bar in the multiplier he was using to take the nuts off in the beginning if you're not experienced at this job it becomes a very hard job

[@susanadams290]

Good job

[@OBS_Ford_Diesels_Inc]

Oh I really hate those bud nuts. We have a forklift that has them. Had to deal with them when the drive axles internals exploded. A few of them had to be cut off, some of them popped out of the hub when they were half off

[@Omc-Steelbone]

You don't use torches? A little heat might have helped a lot. I love your videos!

[@wildcoyote34]

good lord talk about a catastrophic failure waiting to happen ,, that's just insane

[@frankierutherford1888]

I seen an axle hub like that today actually. Just a nightmare

[@johnr8476]

Someone replacing wheel seals or doing a brake job may have taken both hubs off at the same time and swapped sides with them when they put them back? The studs seem a little short for aluminum wheels.

[@neilpuckett359]

Couldn't help but notice the short studs the lug nuts have threads exposed the DOT would put you out of service private vehicle or not.

[@moebedick5968]

It's best to add more supervisors in a case like that

[@zayg1234]

Hahaha!!!! Dude those are bud wheels. They are designed that way lol. U need a special socket for the thimble nuts lol. U destroyed a perfectly good setup.....

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

Sorry the stud is not supposed to spin with the inner lug nut. The other 9 came off correct this one just spun from the start. We skipped it and came back to it. And yes we were using a budd nut socket. Every damn bus.i work one has budd nuts. You don’t understand lol

[@AMStationEngineer]

Try brushing/spraying zinc chromate, or zink phosphate onto the inside of those "wheel nut acorn's", it will help to minimize the galvanic reaction with the wheel nuts.

[@AMStationEngineer]

The zinc-based primer is to be applied to the underside of the chrome plated, or low-grade stainless acorn, and not the wheel lug components [see, it says that in the unedited post]. To the best of my knowledge, zinc chromate, or zinc phosphate has never been a component of anything sold or advertised as a wheel lug/stud protectant; again, please read the post. Ever heard of "Galvanized Steel"?? Zinc is the primary component in the hot dipping and plating process used to make galvanized steel. Maybe this'll help: www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=89 and this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion how about this one: galvanizeit.org/design-and-fabrication/design-considerations/dissimilar-metals-in-contact let's try this: www.thebalance.com/galvanic-corrosion-2339698 Aircraft frames are coated with zinc chromate, or zinc phosphate primers prior to being "skinned". Aluminum boats are, too; at least the larger commercial versions are. Well, hmmm, each and every time that you fly on any aircraft containing aluminum, certain alloys of stainless steel, any type of "other steel alloy", areas of contact, "rivnuts", galvanic bonding materials, "static wicking materials", any potential contact points between "iron containing" alloys, copper, aluminum, and "non-minimally inert brass" alloys are required to be zinc phosphate, zinc chromate, or "zinc rich primer coated". Galvanic reaction is minimal between zinc and steel alloys, galvanic reaction is moderate between stainless and aluminum, and raw steel and aluminum, well forget it. THE PROBLEM IS WHERE THE ALUMINUM MEETS STEEL; NOT ZINC... I'll leave the insults out of the conversation....

[@stanpatterson5033]

It's downright sickening seeing the shady stuff uncovered. As someone who's been in the heavy truck transport industry for 30+ years now, I know it's not something that should surprise a person, but doing that kind of stuff and then passing it on to some unsuspecting person who might not know enough to check (before buying)... that kind of crap could lead to the unthinkable happening (worst-case scenario). This is why it pays to have a professional involved in the mechanical fitness certification process. Not to say that some "professional" didn't stoop to the lowest level to make it look really good.... I don't know how it works when an individual purchases a once-commercial vehicle, now intended for private use only, but where I'm from, this would have had to be inspected at a licensed facility with a license number put on the form, as well as the mechanic and his license number put on the form. That way, it's traceable in the event of tomfoolery. Yeah, I know, anybody could have worked on it after the form was filled out and signed, but the guys dealing with the paperwork are less inclined to put their own ass on the line and have it come back to bite them.

[@ianstoys13mgs]

Could have put the 2 nearest nuts back on and do really tight, ease the pressure on the one your working on a little

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

Nope it spun from the beginning with other nuts on. The stud was turning in the hub.

[@markf350s]

I had a similar situation on a bucket truck I had to drill all sides of that tapper and it's split in half

[@Adrian-qt9cf]

Yo tengo un reductor de fuerza anda muy bien sin Aser nada de esfuerzo afloja cualquier tornillo

[@pinkamenadianepie8609]

Yeah that sucks I know that feeling while at work

[@TheManny1952]

Q. DO MODERN BUSES STILL HAVE THE 2 STRIKE ENGINES IN THE USA?

[@johnstuart3851]

Two-stroke cycle Detroit Diesel engines to not comply with current EPA emissions standards. Detroit Diesel 2-cycle diesel engines are no longer being manufactured.

[@akawireguy1197]

Must have been the one I worked on.

[@drumzRfun1]

Could that last nut be pinched?

[@Johnkels100]

may be worth drilling, worth a try anyway.

[@sliderinc1]

Use that blue feather that fire chisel

[@bobsillas3553]

when you see one of these old buses coming down the freeway pull over and let it go by

[@TheShowgirl25]

Just wondered, if you started with that nut , would it have been a problem?

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

It was like the third one we tried removing. It just spun. We then removed the others and came back to it. It was not the last one. Several were loose only this one spun.

[@MrRossi1805]

At 0:57; which kind of tool is this, please?

[@sumanmondalsuman7635]

Thanks dadu

[@jamesshanks2614]

Next time that happens to you get out the flame wrench deflate the tire and cut the wheel off, cheaper and easier than going through this aggravation. How much is a new steel wheel? What would it cost to replace the hubs with pilot wheels and hubs. Advantage, one lug nut per lug. Just voicing what you might have been thinking 😡😡😯😦😑😩😫🤑🤑🤑😱😱😱😳😳😳 Cheers!

[@ShainAndrews]

What a pain in the arse, and talk about some shady work hiding missing studs.

[@shreddder999]

How did you avoid grinding the wheel? (working that close)

[@aaroncone6778]

Where did he get the torque multiplier from, to pull the lug nuts off? I'd like to invest in one of those. Awesome job guys!

[@kevincritser3184]

Amazon

[@kevincritser3184]

$75

[@waynep343]

rule 1. put nuts back on either side of effected stud.. this pinches the wheel against the hub.. you have several ways to do it.. use a socket either square or hex as a drill guide.. drill right thru the middle of the stud. you may want to get a machine shop to create some drill guides for you.. to allow you to center the drill.. i do like your fix of slipping the entire hub off.. but you should have just center punched it and drilled right thru it.. since you run into the inner nut stuck quite a bit.. you might want to look into a custom ground Annular Cutter that slips over the 1 1/16 thread and has enough depth to mill away the flange without cutting into the wheel seat. i can't figure out which Annular Cutter would work as they only list them by OD of the cut.. not the ID to guide it on the inner nut threads. its just an idea.. and not a cheap one.. and the carbide inserts will probably have to be ground by a skilled tool grinder.. so you are not cutting a flat bottom hole that would damage the wheel seat.. this and several custom drill jigs that fit in the square drive of your 3/4 or 1" drive sockets.. to allow several sizes of drills to be used on center right thru the middle of the stud.

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

I have never seen a stud spinning loose in the hub before. I have had the inner lug nut break and i have a tool to remove that but when the whole thing spins that won’t work. We got it and i didn’t have to buy a new tool and i saved the rim and hub.

[@waynep343]

@@BusGreaseMonkey i was not sure how often you ran across this. i have seen you show rusted away nuts under chrome caps..

[@BusGreaseMonkey]

The rusted nuts were no problem. Torque multiplier made quick business of them.