A SOLUTION TO BODYBUILDING DEATHS | Fouad Abiad, Nick Walker, Guy Cisternino & Iain Valliere | BC#53

Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Nick Walker and Guy Cisternino discuss the solution to bodybuilders dying and what could be done to save lives.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Manscaped Ad
01:25 - Bodybuilding deaths, peoples reaction.
05:39 - Guy's reaction to Shawn Ray.
19:41 - Iain joins the group. Who has Covid.
24:58 - A solution to bodybuilding deaths.
1:06:48 - Heart checks. Having Covid.
1:15:00 - Coffee.
1:19:08 - Hand jobs.
1:20:25 - Romania Pro
1:32:08 - N'Sync. Action stars revisited.
1:39:44 - Weirdest habit in prep & The Texas plan.
1:44:34 - Who would house sit.
1:46:58 - Boxers
1:52:23 - Waking up in 2040.

[@FouadAbiad]

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[@IrritatedOnion]

Someone should make a go fund me to pay for flight/hotel/expenses for Guy to fly out to whatever the next event shawn ray will be at. I'll be the first to donate.

[@rfchhakchhuak5796]

😂 i really hope when the time comes they record it

[@MadduxBeats]

I’ll Venmo him $7- if we all follow suit Guy could help adjust his attitude.

[@rowdynutz7762]

And bail

[@cloudymindtv85]

Ill give a 20$ for that

[@travislarrat3439]

I'm a little worried that he might end up being in jail after beating Shawn's ass

[@izaacnewman5059]

Nick is a great bloke never interrupts anyone while they all interrupt each other

[@primetimeab3216]

He’s also a lot younger than them so some respect comes from there

[@markvillagomez8209]

No need to apologize to us listeners Fouad! This is a very relevant topic and needs more awareness. Thank you Bro Chat!

[@deedlespeedle2444]

seeing guy worry about fouads calf is so wholesome

[@lf6932]

Even tho it seems like he’s angry sometimes, you can tell he has a very genuine and caring personality

[@nicka4688]

Guy: “come on EN” Iain: “ITS IAIN!! FOR FUCK SAKE!!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@underdog1794]

1:58:56

[@ahlikecheese]

"I don't like watching football as much, because it's like watching a titty bouncing match" - Guy 38:50, this man's similies are always the best

[@Kevin-21]

I'm predicting this podcast is gonna be really cool, it's no Victor Richard's coming back from the dead cool, but cool nevertheless

[@ryantromm9169]

LOL the it’s just bodybuilding reference

[@calebcruz7084]

Scott’s cryin tears of joy right now hah

[@BeztFitness]

@@BrandonSmith-uj9fz that’s the joke Brandon

[@brentontriplett4795]

You sir have good taste in podcasts

[@jimmyselby4279]

My boy dusty! 😂

[@Maloney-ho6fb]

Nick is so damn chill in this episode, you can tell he’s hitting that high carb off-season

[@thehonestsydneyfoodblogger6784]

Thats why you think he's quiet?... yeah okay bruh lol

[@quantumpotential7639]

He just got a brand new puppy so the puppy prolly has him up all night needing to go outside to pee or take a big puppy grunt. Puppies will wear you out.

[@benpowers5942]

Obviously you all don’t have a fucking clue who I am but I feel like I know each of you as a friend, and every single time you put out a podcast it makes my day better. The thought of anything happening to any of you is heartbreaking to me. I don’t know what the answer is but I appreciate you all having the tough conversations and trying to find a solution.

[@sara54501]

❤❤❤ me too.

[@Miiike]

YEah man I think a lot of us feel this way, myself included. Just a good group of dudes

[@brianblack2244]

I'd be so fucking bummed

[@astonhickford7889]

2 bro chats in a week. Fouad may be lazy everywhere else, but his KZbin grind is for real. #LazyHustle I’m 6 minutes in, I feel for all you guys having to deal with ignorant assholes who feel like it’s their business to give a scientific opinion. We love you guys for who you are and me personally only want everyone to be happy and healthy. Also shout out to Guy. Been through all the shit this year, head up champ. Always there for everyone.

[@carlosmantilla4018]

Excelent comment.We should all have your generous and kind mindset

[@MoodSwingZX]

Guy misunderstood the interview his hate to Rays blinded him. All what Guy said is not right and I did watch the interview twice and carefully.

[@mitchelldiaz4919]

Nick’s *NSYNC shirt was the mvp of the podcast 😂

[@Miiike]

hahah bro I was dying, Nick was so serious

[@joeybulnes]

Lol how bout fuads dying breed shirt

[@iansleith]

Love all you guys! Big up to Guy for standing up for a friend.

[@VeeTaperTemplar]

“With that smile like a ferret” That had me tearing up idk why lol

[@boknowsyoutube]

Great show! Mad props to Fouad and Guy for sucking it up when not feeling well. Get well guys!

[@richardyoung3172]

Absolutely love these videos. Please keep em coming. I never get bored of your banter

[@brenden229]

I love these videos. There’s a certain chemistry between all these guys like no other. Rlly hope this is series that lasts awhile.

[@_A1K_1]

Love you guys, and everyone who supports the brotherhood!

[@IFBBpro_ClarissaFortune]

One of the best yet. Real and honest and the discussion we need to have. 💯

[@skylarschumm8564]

Thanks for toughing this one out Fouad! Always look forward to the podcasts every single week 🙏🏻

[@colbrahh3965]

IAIN’S entrance on this podcast is one of the funniest ever

[@laynedehart387]

I feel bad that nick has to watch his parents fight like this

[@ELARMOOTEE]

Man I usually check this page everyday to see if anything is uploaded . Thanks for this bro !

[@gregoryulysse]

Happy you guys talk about it in such a positive way 🙏🏿

[@alexschmidt5442]

Nick was on another planet lol dude said like 10 words the whole podcast

[@michaelpavlantos1762]

56:26 Iain calling us all stupid is why we love him.

[@chrismetternich3332]

I was waiting for this one, RIP SHAWN, we loss a great athlete (I don’t know him personally) but he was a father and obviously a good friend. He should be remembered. FOUAD again this is gold standard outlet for the sport we all enjoy and watch. Please as a fan, I hope all of you are monitoring your health. You are all important for this sport and for all of us we consider you digital friends. Thank you for all you do

[@ramansharma5992]

It was amazing to hear your opinion on this crucial matter . Body building needs more people like you guys .

[@Rdosramos]

Best conversation yet. Loved it. Don’t apologies please. Athletes are always going to do what ever it takes to win or be the best. There has to be some checks and balances.

[@patrickmcglinchey6781]

Big hoss, perfect timing, rest day and a meal ready

[@chrismorrell4177]

So perfect. Hoss that shirt is dope AF!

[@tgo6996]

Don’t forget fasted cardio

[@panosathanasioy3402]

just came back from school,preworkout meal is cooked and this video pops up.Couldnt be happier. Love you guys

[@ROID-13]

Love you guys. Thanks you for putting out another pod this week!

[@ashtontwyman7130]

Anyone else get so excited when this podcast pops up and it’s a new one?

[@Supernaturalman92]

Literally jumping for joy. This podcast is always tbe highlight of my youtube watching

[@korbandallas8931]

I now love Guy, he moved up to 1st place. I just got out the gym and he made me want to go back and do more, go get em!

[@fadziboehs6429]

Thank you for discussing this in as positive way as possible.

[@CarlosPerez-zv6zm]

I personally respect and appreciate the advice and bringing these issues to the forefront.

[@monkfsh6051]

It’s about time to get the crew some headphones so that they stop cutting out and can sound more clear. Brett was on to something when he brought his the other week. Lol. Amazing podcast like always. Really glad y’all spoke up about some of the tragedy and enjoyed the debate on how to resolve it. Hopefully something sooner rather than later.

[@hunterpittman100]

Let’s go another podcast thanks fouad!

[@Miiike]

Such a good one guys, thank you for putting info like this out there

[@cloudymindtv85]

You guys be on the ball with your health, we need all of yous in our lifes for a very long time. I love bodybuilding but I love you guys more.

[@kin263]

We need more debates. Fouad should set up debate topics as a part of the pod where all 4 of u can engage in. By far the best content in the pod.

[@questionableethnicity2268]

I really enjoy the debates too but it can be draining for these guys as it would be with any friendship group so there has to be balance (no pun intended 🤣).

[@kin263]

@@questionableethnicity2268 yeah but they dont have to take up the whole pod. Just a segment.

[@TheDoats]

Most of the deaths seem to be heart attacks. Just having athletes get regular ekgs and heart checks would be really good first step

[@dustinkfc6633]

Stress tests, scans!

[@TheBilaras97]

most of these guys dont even take statins or ezetimibe or even something like telmisartan

[@dustinkfc6633]

@@TheBilaras97 it’s not the steroids though or dosages. It’s the contest preps!

[@tjdavis56]

This might be super cheesy, but I'm so happy seeing Guy laugh and cut up by the end of this show. My man needed this bad

[@mangilitking4572]

Stay safe bois, we love you all! Take care Mr. Fouad, thanks for this episode, indeed a bright spot in the industry🧡🔥

[@punkandlifting]

Two bro chats in a week. Look at these guys putting in the work

[@flabio7074]

The uncomfortable truth is that there isn’t a solution to this problem. Even TRT raises your risk of blood clots and heart attacks, and no doctor will sign anything for someone abusing illegal drugs. Add the risk of covid and its long term cardiovascular after-effects (I got myocarditis after getting covid so it’s a little personal) and these guys are at an inherently high risk position.

[@jacobjohnson3144]

Such a hit of dopamine when I find a new episode from you Fouad!

[@milisavjovic501]

Good on guy for jumping on through this hard time for him. It’s good that guy has good friends like fouad and nick. Good on you guys

[@jeremybatah4827]

Get well soon Fouad! And happy to hear the calf isn’t a clot or anything major

[@Miiike]

Yeah man agree, stay well Fouad! We neeeed you and the boys

[@PMTCards]

Great talk… A little too forgiving on the impact of steroids on deaths/health.. let’s be real.. you can do it “healthier” but it’s not “healthy”.. and just like F mentioned.. there’s so many additional factors that lend to the body building lifestyle that includes the drugs.. but it’s also the foods, the weight, etc.. Rip to everyone that died.. I hope people use these experiences to go to the doctor and look at what their individual efforts/goals are in the industry.

[@noswitchfitness3780]

Just a suggestion/thought on the testing side would be combining acute data (like blood pressure logs etc) alongside more predictive testing once a year that gives you a better scope of the damage being done rather than just lab work. Like on the cardiovascular side think yearly echocardiograms to check for LVH and ejection fraction issues alongside calcium scoring as well to get a more accurate gauge on how these peoples cardiovascular health is progressing on a year to year basis.

[@AdrianV86]

If awareness had a video in regards to this sport, this podcast is it hands down. Huge props to the crew 👍🏼

[@Etspiritu22]

Crazy how Fouads shirt says “Dying Breed”.

[@sara54501]

The irony I agree

[@2scoops70]

Gotta love Guy...💙 Hes loyal to his friends and I love his honesty.. Wouldn't want to mess with him to be honest...Shawn Ray be shitting his pants and will avoid Guy as long as he can. Shawn was a great bodybuilder in his day but sadly his personality is non existent...

[@kronkite1530]

No, no, sorry - Ray does have a personality. It's just that it sucks.

[@aryes2506]

I love waking up to a 2 hour podcast with the boys!

[@fcf876]

Always keeping it real, Love you guys!

[@andrewschultz9026]

In my unprofessional, bodybuilding enthusiast opinion, PED use has inherent risks. And the choice to take those PEDs is a personal one. I am a fan of the sport and love seeing what everyone can showcase. Even if medical testing was mandated for the IFBB at certain intervals of time, what's to say that someone taking gear will stop just because they can't compete according to their blood work? Health is a choice, bodybuilding is a choice, and using PEDs is a choice. Competing is a choice. Just because someone doesn't have "good enough" bloods to compete does not guarantee that they won't die regardless. I don't know man, I think freedom to do what you want to do is important. You can't dictate what people will value, even if it seems obvious what the priority should be. Hopefully this doesn't come across in a negative way, that's just my opinion.

[@619behem0th]

I get what your saying… but people are dying dude. If you want this sport to be taken seriously and grow there needs to be structure. Just because there is a structure doesn’t make you a “slave to the system”. You still have a choice to go to another federation and compete.

[@terminator2348]

@@619behem0th No different than before. It’s only being noticed now because a few high profile pros died recently.

[@faisal-tz6px]

The reason i love your podcast is because it can really be serious and it can be all jokes and laughs but when it's a combination of both...i can't describe it❤ Thank you guys. + I love when a sex topic comes up and Nick's level of focus starts to raise 😂😂😂😂

[@pinoyaesthetics]

On my way home from a grueling day at work then this shows up. Perfect for my drive home and then some!

[@bradtyson]

You some great guys making some great videos. Stay well 👍

[@tamenrayy]

You know what happened when WWE did this kind of thing to save their wrestlers lives when they were dropping like flies from heart issues and addiction issues? They have very few wrestlers now that are big and jacked, this kind of reminds me of their situation once Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero brought steroids and issues to the mainstream light when they passed.

[@azozfs5330]

As a doctor and a bodybuilder fan, i think the only way is to force test the athletes multiple times a year, this way you make sure at least every athlete is informed about his risk, now they can weigh the risks vs benefits for themselves. The other solution is to put some restrictions to the amount of drugs, yes it is gonna change the sport a little, but it will be like in the 90s again, less drugs, smaller bodybuilders and more aesthetically pleasing physiques. Either way something has to be done.

[@CreatorDominic]

I’ve been watching these podcasts for about year now, and it’s the only podcast I listen to consistently and wait eagerly for the next episodes, btw the sour peach bloodshot is 🔥

[@pogmalog]

It's brutal. As you guys cover, people forget that there's families and friends who get left brokenhearted and missing a loved one only to have people immediately trying to speculate. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to watch that. There's a reason people gravitate to the guys on this podcast: they all build people up. Iain and Nick at the Arnold supporting each other, I've had Guy respond to DMs before. Fouad is pretty much the undisputed podcast king. People will remember those who are negative or who try to bring others down. Stay strong troops.

[@BigLennyshow]

The most popular guy in our industry is classic physique? Are you serious Foaud?

[@ashleypursell9702]

im not even like a competitor or even spoken to shawn ray but the amount of money i would pay to see a shawn ray get beat up is fucking redicoulas

[@saudgulzarahmad3239]

Same so annoying and trash talks everyone 🤦

[@Ariel-hn1ge]

These guys ALWAYS manage to put a smile on my face.. You guys fucking rock! I hope to meet one of yall in person.

[@831liftingalot]

Thank you guys!

[@danielfazio275]

Guy ripping on Shawn is the greatest thing I’ve ever heard 🤣 I love it. Seeing Shawn get his ass whooped at a public event would be gold. But guy better watch out because Shawn will sue

[@charlessantos7881]

I know very little about steroids . But, I feel that Fouad is correct when he said that steroids can be indirectly involved with someone having a heart attack. The heart doesn't care if you are over weight because you are Fat or carrying to much Muscle. If you are over a healthy weight you are risking a heart attack. Keep on going on 💪😊

[@chip2th]

Also directly via left ventricular hypertrophy and plaque build up from high cholesterol. That’s just the heart the high blood pressure these guys typically have is hard on all the organs over time. But there are medications they can take for all these issues and they don’t really talk about it.

[@tbtb7084]

Thanks for the upload Fouad

[@kingstone2533]

I think professional bodybuilders need to realize that chasing the ronnie coleman 280lbs on stage is gonna kill them they aren't ronnie coleman there will be alot bodybuilders dying chasing that number. RIP to every bodybuilder who has died for the sport.

[@anthonylerma6869]

Nick T will just gather up the main points of this podcast and talk about it like he has been doing with everybody else's podcast lol.

[@HXRNY_S1000RR]

All he does is regurgitate everyone’s videos 🤮

[@anthonylerma6869]

@@HXRNY_S1000RR inna way I respect it cause it kinda helps me not watch a 2hr podcast. I like he gets the main points. But I hate his opinions lmao. (I shouldn't say that) but he acts like he stepped on the Olympia stage numerous times.

[@HXRNY_S1000RR]

Nick T ain’t genuine man. You just get that vibe from his videos. He’s all about the click bait titles and views.

[@stuartjones3684]

Nick was very quiet in this video.. makes me think he's not to healthy when it comes to the bloodwork

[@jordanmyers7266]

Nicks always quite tho

[@djandroid23]

I am just happy seeing Guy smile and having a good time

[@josephmora1126]

Good to see guy smile and laugh during this. 🙏

[@matthewwalker556]

For me I don't get why people want to know how someone died. Should be about paying respects and giving the guy his dues for how amazing of a bodybuilder he is. Top podcast as usual.

[@matthewwalker556]

@James xxx Yes but people want to know so they can be like OMG steroids. Not for the reasons you state. People online want to shit on people. Which for me I don't get

[@michaeldevore1003]

I don’t know man I just do this as a hobby and I get regular bloods, cardiac imaging yearly and take prophylactic medication to mitigate the effects of “bodybuilding” I feel like it comes down to personal responsibly at the end of the day and is really not that difficult to do if you truly care about your health and longevity

[@FouadAbiad]

Unfortunately personal responsibility is not working. Guys at the top are willing to do anything and everything to win.

[@michaeldevore1003]

@@FouadAbiad man I feel like that is the case in almost every sport and even in business, it just sucks there is no one size fits all solution for the sport we love. Appreciate everything you do bringing awareness to it all

[@Supernaturalman92]

This podcast has got me extremely emotional. You guys are honestly tge grwatest thing to happen to this sport.

[@quantumpotential7639]

I'm truly sorry for your emotionalism. Now let us pray 🙏.

[@eastcoastmuscle2578]

Sending love from East Coast Canada!

[@EGC444]

Shawn ray had a good point though Shawn Rhoden said himself on the interview with mike o Hearn that he was an alcoholic and ate garbage all the time because of his dads passing and it even got so bad that he saw blood in his urine one day. I’m sure his unhealthy lifestyle definitely had something to do with his death if he was more health conscious he could of still been alive

[@benjaminmale601]

Why do you have nick on here, hes high af, & says nothing, Roman & Paul contribute way more.

[@THADA-q4n]

I think maybe having a few thousand people saying you’re gonna die is probably getting to him

[@uknightclubbouncerentertai7584]

Great debate at the beginning of the podcast and hilarious towards the end 💪🏻

[@cleveosteen7175]

I love this pod cast!!

[@CommonSenseBodybuilding]

Fouad whipping out the “DYING” shirt after all this shit going on and that title 😐

[@Kody845]

Fouad you’re complaining about the over reaching of federal governments however encouraging over reaching of the IFBB? You’re running down the same slope that the governments are going off of that people are not responsible enough to do things themselves so it’s “our” job to mandate? Sure the counter argument is IFBB is a private organization okay then people start a non mandated organization and you’re back to the same problem.

[@danieljennemedia]

I came here to make this comment. I am grateful the guys are willing to discuss it openly as I can agree it’s a problem, but to deny personal culpability in favor of governing control doesn’t seem right to me. I’ve run into more young guys that don’t even have a solid understanding of what they’re doing and taking or have questionable coaches leading them astray than anything else. I’d argue for more education than mandates. But I digress, as I know they’re discussing the IFBB and not bodybuilding in general.

[@FouadAbiad]

You choose to be a professional athlete in ANY sport. All sports have rules. This is no different. I’m not for mandating society as a whole.

[@str8904]

Not the same. Professional sports teams all have particular health requirements that need to be passed with reoccurring physicals etc before you're allowed to play. That is not the same as the government of a particular region threatening by force of fine that an employer must have their employees fulfill a particular medical requirement in order to even have any job in almost any field within the jurisdiction of that government. It's not the same as the government coercing businesses to deny you access to public or private services based off a health requirement they've set.

[@samawad4564]

I honestly a 100% agree with Iain. It's absolutely great to find solutions, but in practicality, what Iain says is the most realistic.

[@Mors_Atra_]

I do as wwll. I enjoy his opinions and his transparency on whatever the issue is or even non issue.

[@joecromwell9397]

Missed you post about this I guess, I saw Guy’s. Sorry for the loss of your friend.

[@alvinpotthoff1208]

Great episode that is one of the most thought provoking. The sport needs to do something to keep their athletes safe, Fouad had a great idea, but Guy said it, like Football, the sport would change, but the fans would still be there no matter if the guy is 285 or 235.

[@BrysonBukoski]

Perfect time for cardio! Thank you!

[@johneyster7517]

If you can find any in stores. Buy NAC if you have symptoms of the vid or to prevent getting it. I’ve been taking it for a year and this is the first year I haven’t gotten sick In the past 5 years.

[@w2sixpackchef]

hope you feel and get better big man!

[@bostonstrongpatriots8881]

Guy bringing that Jersey toughness, it's awesome to listen, like in movies you start to cheer for the good guy.There are a lot of busting balls of Guy, becausd he's really good person, he takes, but he's maybe the first you don't want to mess with on this crew. Vendetta 🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@mahbub87hussain]

The first section of this podcast is what is needed. Conversation about how to genuinely improve the sport from a health aspect. Palumbo claimed he was doing this with that fucking idiot Ray, but you could hear these guys genuinely care about the health of fellow bodybuilders. As they all pointed out, not an easy solution but this was a much better way to have a respectful discussion around it. Thank you for all you guys do to keep the industry in a positive light 🙌🙌

[@Jimrock95]

Great discussion, thank you

[@Imhim2477]

All of you please take care of yourself. We would love to have you around for many more years.

[@graysonboyd7371]

Getting in my efficacious dose of Bro Chat and maintaining steady blood serum concentrations through Fouads consistent uploading

[@0paulosousa]

Hey guys! Firstly, thank you for your amazing content, your effect on people's lives is much greater than you can imagine. I truly and wholeheartedly appreciate you "buddies". Secondly, what do you think of the IFBB stating in their website etc that they are a tested federation? Why do you think that is etc? I personally believe that is why they will never do anything to help athletes healthwise (be it by education or healthcare)

[@boysilverrr]

Also, I believe checking bloodwork isn’t to necessarily see if your’e “healthy” but to assess the damage the drugs are doing currently. Getting labs a week or two out of a big show is the best time to really see how off your numbers are from “normal” levels so you can decide how to best continue

[@mamasavagedesigns3651]

This was an ABSOLUTELY NEEDED conversation and I hope it is taken seriously by the IFBB and the athletes. It would be great to see the guys come down in size and be healthier! I know this would only happen in a perfect world, but I hope for some changes.