A Vegan Debunks 'What the Health' Documentary

[@melk912]

To everyone who is saying that this video isn't helping veganism... I have to disagree. This kind of video helps me to respect veganism. I am really turned off by all of the vegan bullies. I've had more of a plant based diet over the last year and that is thanks to some really inspiring and positive vegan influencers. A rational view of veganism is helping, not hurting

[@Tamara-lg4nd]

Melissa Cartier agreed!

[@DamariaSenne]

Agreed!

[@emanatingf]

@Melissa Carter I've been feeling very confused but that is Truth.

[@cf5765]

Yeah, the really pushy annoying type of vegans are the kind of people who make me want to eat more meat out of spite. Don't shame me because I don't wanna give up milk.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Have to say I agree. I had a friend recommend me this this youtube channel and so far I am loving it. It's really refreshing to see someone who seems to be making arguments in GOOD FAITH. Unusual Vegans don't hurt Veganism, Vegans hurt Veganism.

[@meegy2]

must be the orange shirt, but you remind me of Velma from Scooby Doo

[@meegy2]

Namelessandpure And glasses too lol

[@bobsmith3931]

Don't insult Velma like that.

[@Supertzar999]

When I watch her my mind goes to Amy from Big Bang Theory.

[@jayatidutt8461]

Supertzar999 the stupid Amy.

[@joshbrasil1]

Exactly! Good one! Lmao she's trying to solve the mystery but instead of smoking weed like we suspect Velma may have done along with the crew while trying to solve mysteries, I think in this case she's smoking crack!! Bullshit and crack pipe smoke opinions in this video/channel. Lmao

People don't seem to realize that there are people who are vegan for different reasons. From what I understand, Unnatural Vegan doesn't necessarily believe that a vegan diet is the most healthiest thing one could eat, but does believe in the ethics and the environmental benefits of veganism. Which is why, yes she's willing to critisize people who make veganism look deceptive or mislead. No, she's not all-knowing, but critisizm of vegan individuals does not = criticism of veganism.

[@witchf4ce310]

Jaylin Broan she has said she believes a plant based diet is the healthiest for us though.

[@randommess6667]

@CosmicDamian she said she first went vegan for health lol

[@katie6384]

@@randommess6667 yes she initially was swept up by the pseudoscience and appeals to nature. Since then she has changed her views and now takes a far more scientific, logical stance on things. She has said multiple times that it is possible to be healthy on a vegan diet, it's possible to be unhealthy on a vegan diet, it's possible to healthy on a non-vegan diet and it's possible to be unhealthy on a non-vegan diet.

[@randommess6667]

@@katie6384 Yes but she said going vegan made her health issues go away that was plant based but mostly vegan right so I think she must be invested in staying vegan for her health too because of that

[@katie6384]

@@randommess6667 what health issues?

[@exoticlove8125]

I watched the documentary without any previous nutritious knowledge and I believed everything about it. I'm glad I found your video!

[@nodnoc]

pro-tip: always do follow-up research for anything you watch or read or are told

[@stevenmiller7747]

You watched one movie and believed everything about it? Wow.

[@stevenmiller7747]

kindness as great as the sea yes but unfortunately it can be filled with anything.

[@psikakuniklo1949]

You believed everything you heard there, then you believe everything you hear here... Maybe check out the videos debunking this video next.

[@mischakitty222]

You're the reason the house hippo PSA was necessary.

[@mathiasandersson2195]

So this was a huge waste of time. A person with no credentials trying to half-assed "debunk" real experts and scientists in their specialized fields, researchers and doctors like Barnard, who specializes in diabetes for example, and you think you know more than him because you can google some study on pubmed? You literally try to claim that he is wrong and you are right, Lol. In my opinion you actually only seem to be interested in finding things to criticize for the sake of criticize. You just seem to enjoy disagreeing with things.

[@kaldelkatz3987]

I'm quite disappointed. Not in UV though. I'm vegan (and UV played a significant role in me staying vegan), and I've studied nutrition. What she is saying is true. It baffles me that soooo many people see criticism of a documentary that makes hyperbolic claims and embellishes the truth---criticism that doesn't discredit veganism in the slightest---and immediately assume that the only reason UV could do such a video is that she is a a greedy shill and a fake vegan. She supports facts. Facts say that veganism can be a healthy diet. Facts say that several claims in this documentary are bullshit. Hence why someone can, in fact, criticize a vegan, while still being vegan. What do you think happens when you tell someone "every fat is unhealthy if you have more than one tablespoon a day, you should eat HCLF" and they fact-check your info? You lose credibility, that's what. Fuck, this is why people think veganism is a cult.

[@MsMouraMoura]

Kaldel Katz quite true. And frustrating 😥

[@rnm354]

She is completely full of shit!!!!!!!!

[@BladeReader]

Do you think the companies of meat, dairy... are sponsors of health organizations just because they didn't know what to do to spend time , or for fun ?

[@KatzeDerNacht22]

we have a similar name and similar opinion :D

[@mariaebling1305]

Thank you!!!

[@laurentaylor396]

I'm a vegan (for ethical reasons!) and seeing critical thinking is soo refreshing. I don't know when we started saying "veganism is healthiER" as opposed to "can be just as healthy" which after this video, I still believe. UV is a breath of fresh air from weirdo health nut vegans that I really appreciate.

[@gmnotyet]

Do you know how many animals get killed by harvesting machines/combines??

[@gmnotyet]

@mike G. You should just eat rocks, to make sure nothing gets killed.

[@justsomeguy2825]

Veganism can be healthier than carnism. A properly done vegan diet can be among the healthiest. However it is completely unscientific to state that it will cure all problems for everyonr

[@Aceofwolves]

Because its not always healthier. Just look at people like freelee, and that vegan couple. Their diet is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. Where as a diet of fish and veggies is healthy as well. The key to any diet is WELL BALENCED.

[@LaurenForster]

​@justsomeguy2825 it can't scrawny butt😂

[@sacmakiz]

*Warning* _That vegan couple is triggered_

[@organicallyhannah]

I'm DEAD

[@KattReen]

Lmao

[@esztiszep6334]

she really should respond to that... too bad she doesn't seem to intend

[@sacmakiz]

I don't think she _should_. TVC is a complete nut case, anything you say or don't say will be used against you regardless. They are clueless, brain washed, obsessive-compulsive control freaks and passive aggressive liars with no use of logic and empathy but scalding with lots of anger and resentment from past

[@UdoADHD]

tw they are not that crazy but certainly easily triggered

[@berberfrisch]

You’re awesome - by debunking those cheap shots you are advocating in a much more sustainable way for veganism/reduced meat consumption etc.👌🏽

[@kaylabrown3187]

Do people not realize that outside of the vegan community, most medical professionals and researchers in academia are tearing this film apart for its exaggerated health claims? It's not that there isn't truth to the documentary, it's that there is so much that is oversimplified solely for dramatic purposes.

[@Throat_Spray]

Kayla Brown all the biochemistry in the documentary were wrong

[@WhyArentYouVegan]

I'm all for being proven wrong. Seriously, prove me wrong and I'll change my opinion. But - that which is asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence.

[@trotskyite1]

really kayla please inform us who these people are and i'll show you an agenda.

[@Mr196710]

Have you read the studies or just watched the documentary?

[@lindtothesayyy]

Medical professionals outside the WFPB community that get paid when people are sick... not a good argument. Did you see the part where that girl from the hospital blatantly states that the doctor and the hospital make money on the surgeries? And the fact that they have little to no nutritional training in medical school. Why would we trust their opinions about nutrition?

[@This09Guy]

I don't get why another vegan cannot criticize other vegans. There's nothing wrong with criticism

[@UnnaturalVegan]

That's just what a fake vegan and Monsanto shill would say.

[@veegaanmyooon44]

Unnatural Vegan I laughed so hard I dropped my phone on my face. Thanks..

[@This09Guy]

Unnatural Vegan I'm a fake vegan?

[@justanotter4517]

There's nothing wrong with criticism. I think constant contrarianism is annoying though, which is most of Swayze's content.

[@nznige]

shes annoying as f

[@jeffcessna]

Cool I just noticed that there is a video that debunks this one! I will watch that next and further add to my confusion...lol

[@twiggyunderfoot1329]

Haha I know right :/

[@avaragecommenter2180]

There is no confusion, the truth is out there. There are evidences but man is corrupt and not all knowing. The companies out there that control these organizations: american hearth association, acs, ada, pink ribbon etc such as Pfizer, Bayer, Purdue Pharma, Coca-Cola, McDonalds says that confusion is their product and they pay people off and they create their own studies as well. It's true mankind has lived of meat for thousands of years but today the meatindustry is run by evil and we are better of just eating vegetables and it's nicer towards animals and people.

[@avaragecommenter2180]

Rex Colubra Then I suggest you eat nothing, I'll stick to plants as often as I can thank you.

[@celinak5062]

Rex Colubra the secret life of plants, showed that they can feel light to grow towards it, they can register when they are cut or diseased. If you really don't care about pain, how about consciousness? The smartest animals are primates, whales, elephants, pigs, corvus, african grey parrots and octopuses.

[@Broxine]

I have a basketball game tomorrow, who says there is no other way in experience pain as by having a brain and a nervous system? You think science has everything figured out by 2018 there is to know about life, consciousness or plants?

[@legony1]

Can you do a positive video where you discuss documentaries you do like.

[@allibird]

Lego DC 's I'm guessing she'd just point you to her KZbin channel as she seems to have a problem with literally everything else

[@legony1]

I'm just wondering if there are any documentaries out there that she doesn't hate.

[@goldiewilliams2154]

She never does positive videos.

[@skatingsarah1996]

She just likes being negative for the sake of being negative. She thinks she's the smartest and coolest person on earth 🙄

[@sanyrub]

She seems very miserable. I think she´s obsessed. It´s not normal. I´ve never felt anything positive coming from her. You are asking for the impossible.

[@strangeape6479]

I think they ruined it by overexaggerating everything and only showing one side all the time. Most of the claims actually had some accurate base but they always went extra as fuck with the conclusions.

[@lukepelp7202]

i'm starting to think she's a plant and not really vegan when your start adding up her videos discrediting vegans so much, also lol at her thinking she knows more than experts that don't take bungs from the meat and dairy industry.

[@pharoon7890]

I disagree with +Tim Secar and +Luk Plee entirely. If anything, UV has the most logical view of veganism on YT imo. So many vegans close off themselves to scientific research and follow the every word of documentaries and the doctrine of YT vegans. It's sad, and it makes you all look completely ignorant.

[@pharoon7890]

What "provocative language" did I use? Second, veganism is not about health, it's about the ethical treatment of animals. You can be healthy and eat meat as shown by the majority of the world and scientific research. Yes, if you follow a vegetarian / vegan diet correctly it can be extremely beneficial to health but that doesn't mean eating a small amount of meat / animal products is detrimental. You can be delusional about that all you want. The simple fact is, veganism should first and foremost be about ethics.

[@reversedwar1118]

"You can be healthy and eat meat as shown by the majority of the world and scientific research." yes, but the reality show otherwise ( sick peoples are evrywhere as a living example of what not to do) am still searching for vegans in hospitals...

[@heyjude7092]

NatuHealth we're talking vegans here not vegetarians

[@PlsWaLuigiDomMe]

I love the amount of hate from these vegan fascists who claim to be Pro science but have a really hard time wrapping their heads around any science that doesn't say that their lifestyle is the best and only lifestyle that people should aspire to live by. Keep up the good work. If it weren't for you I would have never turned vegan. I'm so happy sensible vegans are getting spotlight.

[@jesusclause4164]

Nomadic Since any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share?

[@blueviserion]

So What the Health made me go vegan... and now this video made me go back to eating meat... jk jk I'm vegan for life. Everyone go watch Okja!

[@SammieMousie]

Yes!!! Please stay vegan! You rock.

[@robertcovarrubias1109]

Why do talk in circles Currently I am on a starch solution diet is working great with me so do understand where going with what you are saying . Your presentation is very confusing.

[@joeobvious9640]

Xero: No, she's 'objective', unlike the makers of what the health.

[@REGENETARIANISM]

+ Okja is an incredibly STUPID movie.

[@sdushdiu]

If this crap defines what you watch and what determines your actions, you have bigger problems than these lame video sources!

[@taylorhanna6265]

You look like Velma in this video. I can dig it.

[@FrankZen]

Totally

[@kaypuppy9296]

Taylor Hanna A fat Velma :3

[@clemiecat4180]

Taylor Hanna a hot Velma

[@kaypuppy9296]

Clemie Cat meat eating Velma~

[@danrobertshaw5082]

Jeepers

[@burrkut]

4 minutes into your video, I could not listen any more. I have an enormous amount of respect for Dr. Barnard. Do your credentials come anywhere close to his?

[@richardgray8593]

+Kathy Hodson It's her smugness and condescension that impress me, not her credentials. Besides, she reminds me of Dr. Amy Farrah Fowler, and that has to count for something.

[@Aceofwolves]

Wakefield was a doctor too. And look at the DAMAGE he did and he LOST HIS LICENCE.

[@emlu96]

The documentary didn't mention that high fat plant protein diets are bad... only animal based... correct? I'm not sure what you're debunking about the documentary when you talk about how ridiculous low fat plant based diets are.

[@kevinpeterson188]

Emily i noticed this too

[@emlu96]

K CH I used to like how she was "logical" but nowadays it seems like she just wants to be special by going against the grain lol...

[@emlu96]

Thomas Black yeah! Even when it means debunking nonexistent claims and thinking her audience is too dim to catch it😂

[@mariusfx9916]

My favourite part of UV's "debunking" is when she points out that the filmmakers are cherrypicking studies and that they have an agenda (to convince people that low fat vegan diets and fasting will make people healthy). At the same time UV clearly cherrypicks her "debunking" studies and she CLEARLY has an agenda (to "prove" that low fat diets and fasting will hurt your health). I am not sure if UV is just ignorant or a deliberate doubt-making shill. But her onesided biased quoting of studies that (she believes) support her views, especially the study she uses to "debunk" that meat/diary cause diabetes, is appalingly simplistic and only serves to create confusion around the subject. To truly discuss this scientifically she would have to look at the totality of studies done and make arguments as to why the whole body of research would lean on any specific conclusion.

[@emlu96]

Marius FX im going to stick with her thinking she has a stupid audience and can get away with content like this😂 she HAS to know she's being a hypocrite.

[@leahjackson7016]

okay I'm not a vegan but after watching the documentary I've decided to become one. I say that only to say Im not some vegan who refuses to listen to criticism because just last week I was eating meat but I do have a few issues or questions with this video. 1)Aside from Google what exactly are this ladies credentials for her to be specifically saying what medical professionals are claiming are wrong or exaggerated. No hate just curious. 2) People are missing the second biggest aspect of the documentary which is that people are actually being paid large sums of money to to quite literally lie or misconstrue their information in research for profit. So the very first thing with the doctor talking about how diabetes comes from a build up of fat and she counters this claim with a few snippets of articles from who knows where claiming that a group of women meat eaters had no increase in the risk of diabetes. But a whole portion of the documentary is about uncovering how the reason information like this is out there is because it benefits the meat and dairy industry to find people or pay people to lie and say these things. So just because she can find articles like this somewhere on the internet doesn't necessarily make them credible enough to counter what a real doctor is actually saying. 3) Why would these health professionals lie? The meat and pharma industries are big business. Its actually in their interest to make us sick because that's LITERALLY how they profit. What reason would a doctor have to lie about the benefits of being vegan? Getting more people to go vegan would actually cause them to LOSE patients and money when the world becomes healthier so why exactly would they feel the need to lie or exaggerate anything?

[@hbree2273]

Leah Jackson as far as I understand. 1) I think her degree is in philosophy or something totally unrelated to nutrition. I think she is a bit overzealous about "debunking" vegan diet claims because she used to promote an extreme form of raw diet on her channel and feels a bit guilty about misleading ppl about nutritional info (I'm not saying raw is always unhealthy.) She gets a bit click baity and nit picky but I think her videos started from a good place, she was concerned ppl would follow extreme diets and become deficient in some nutrient or other. I think now it's just become her niche, she knows she'll get clicks and followers being a contrarian. 2) good point! Look up Naomi Orenski's book "merchants of doubt" really opened my eyes to how far businesses will go to maintain high profits. It's about the tobacco industry's attempts to fight cancer claims. Also interesting is Kaiser Permanente, they're trying to promote drs. In their network suggesting vegan diets because it will save them money. 3) I agree. 😊

[@fzfxfcf]

100% agree. I am so happy everytime more and more ppl are finding out the truth :) cuz this all make sense. For example I was never ever mentioned veganism neither in my school nor anywhere in my life, I just discovered what veganism was last year (22 years old). And so being the factory farms the first if not the second or third cause of the climate change (documental cowspiracy) why the fuck didn't schools teach us this? We clearly studied the 'main causes' but this was never EVEN mentioned (??? Then doctors also study the lessons they are given when they choose their career. That explains everything: Only the ones who are really interested leave their comfort zone and go deeper in their studies (real doctors). That's why the fact that some of them are vegan gives me faith they have really done lots of work studying and ofc they won't be stupid to become vegans if they didn't find enough benefits to make such a 'risky' change

[@melissabiehl7380]

Leah Jackson I think your points are the ones I am stuck with ! I wonder why she is making propaganda of non vegan diet ! So Harvard already published that plant based vegan diet is better for your health , the WHO did , Canada recently subtracted the group dairy and meat as essential for your body and the new guidelines for health . I A CLC , certified Lactation Consultant , the problems with cows milk problems for infants and children are far worse then the vegan ones! You might have to mix oatmeal , rice and cashews milk but the amount of anti biotics , the amount of protein and fat from night animals are for more problematic to digest in a infant without digestive enzines then the veg one , but in reality she should be actually making sure to reinforce the intake of BREASTMILK. And no Vitamin D from cows milk is not well absorbed due to high acidity . Please READ the China study and make a certification on breastmilk to be more knowledgeable about why humans are not made for dairy , beyond the ridiculous amount of more fat , protein lactose or galactose is our inability to digest it. Mammals milk are projected to support a human body, and one kid from the same mom Won't have the same milk as the second one as the milk is fabricated tailored for that one organism needs. It is so much crap in this video . Just pay for a Chocrane subscription to read systematic studies go get certified , and read a bit more of the CDC , which is not all try but has SYSTEMATIC reviews! The carbs , it is really from person to person ... there are people who get big with carbs and others don't we are all unique but in general fat is the problem And sugar ... Too much crap

[@luxconcept]

yessss

[@HaloofCurls]

You should watch Mic the Vegan's video about What the Health. He's no scientist but he gives specific studies that support claims made in the documentary. Honestly there was very little in What the Health that was new for me. I feel like the health claims that were made are ones that have been made many times that you can see in other documentaries that other people aren't getting in such a flap about. This is not new information and I don't understand why people are treating it as such. The thing that shocked me was the second half of the documentary, when he starts to follow the money and shows how these anti-cancer anti-diabetes organizations are funded by meat, egg and dairy producers and the checkoff programs the government uses to promote the marketing and sale of meat, eggs and dairy to the American public. I feel like this was the real thrust and the real purpose of the documentary and that message got lost over people flipping out over "omg fat" and "omg eggs."

[@angielovesyouBITCH]

Everyone in the comments saying she's negative and has no background well this is a channel to DEBUNK propaganda so you don't blindly follow very biased information which sadly is everywhere in the vegan community, and she cites all her info with credible sources sometimes she's not the only source of info out there her channel isn't meant to be the only thing you listen to but it's meant to open up a discussion

[@whitneyw3608]

I super appreciate the fact that you can criticize both vegan and non-vegan documentaries. Keeping an open mind, questioning and critically examining all information is extremely important!

[@hannahkobsar2714]

Veganism isn't hard to follow.

[@sdg1794]

I couldn't finish watching this video because ALL I was thinking is..... "I would LOVE to see HER Medical Degree!" (these are just her opinions and that's all)

[@blakmasta]

she has none lol and people praising her

[@foreverwantingpie]

This documentary is what made my dad try to go vegan

[@JXX-kn2qr]

11 is better

[@wallacesousuke1433]

foreverwantingpie poor guy, veganism is not only stupid, it is unhealthy as well

[@foreverwantingpie]

Willy et scientia ?? When your opinion differs from the consensus of most nutritional authorities you can't just say it like it's a fact and expect people to take you seriously lmao

[@wallacesousuke1433]

I have diabeetus healthy? Yep, sure, try your luck by living in a strictly vegan diet w/o supplementing with vitamin D and B12, proper proteins (only found in meat) , calcium, iron and omega 3 (best sources being oil fish)....

[@wallacesousuke1433]

VeganHeart what a patetic activism you fight for, eh? I am here to share HEALTHY tips with everyone.. Vegans, on the other side, want to force their laughable ideology down our throats and ignore reality by telling people to choose a diet that is not suitable for omnivores 😂😂😂 I am done here, no point in wasting time with the likes of you, enjoy your upcoming pernicious anemia, osteoporosis, multiple sclerosis, or whatever else you are putting yourself at risk of getting by adopting such a stupid diet

[@iamme6581]

the fact that a study is funded by an organization that would financially benefit from a positive outcome of the study does, rationally (imo), bring the validity of the reported results of the study, and/or the study itself, into question. it's not necessarily dishonest or biased, but people are right to be wary of the increased possibility of deception, and even to presume the disseminated information is biased/inaccurate/dishonest until proven otherwise (preferably by a source whose hand is not in their pocket)... are they not? yes, the same could be said in any direction, but do people like Dr McDougal and Dr. Neal Barnard stand to gain in the same way? if not, would it not be more rational to trust their disseminated information over those who would stand to gain, financially? what are your perspectives on the claims about the pharmaceutical companies' impact on the medical industry (even the education of prospective doctors)? what about the tobacco industries' influence on health organizations reports about smoking in the mid 20th century?

[@TheErhmergerds]

Okay but why is she better at choosing peer reviewed material than most university professors

[@avion1807]

TheErhmergerds I don’t believe the point is that she is better I think the point is that there are multiple peer reviewed studies that support different diets and the issue is not as simple as it was made to seem

[@avion1807]

TheErhmergerds I would like to cite that she in the list of materials she chose to mention she used studies that support veganism as well as ones that suggest alternative diets

[@mischakitty222]

In her video where she discusses how she wrote her book, and cited sources, she admits it's simply a matter of cherry picking the ones that support your thesis and omitting the ones that contradict it. More sources =/= better. Science would demand reproducible results, a large sample size, a long timeline, etc. By their nature, nutrition studies have problems overcoming those obstacles. Peer reviewed sources could still be misleading; as was discussed about the documentary.

[@0xstev3]

It's about health, which is why they promote the diet they do. If it was What The Ethics, they would have been better promoting your garbage processed diet for sure.

[@skatingsarah1996]

Steve Steven 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mathildesyrup8091]

Cowspiracy : environment, WTH: health.. next they might do an ethical doc

[@geordieny]

I've only followed a vegan diet for the past few months. I've avoided referring to my lifestyle or attitude as vegan, because of the negative image it has. People think Vegans are condescending, elitist, arrogant, dismissive, and put themselves on a pedestal. I felt I didn't fit that bracket and avoided the term. However, over only a few months I've come to find a massive portion, I would even dare to say majority, of vegans don't fall in to the stereotype associated with it. Personally I find documentaries like this, or just arguments like this, turn it from a discussion in to a debate, and in to an argument, where people start to shame meat eaters and hold veganism on a pedestal. Thanks for this video. It shows that you can follow a vegan diet and lifestyle, but still remain objective. The power to listen will help drive the cause forward. This is the kind of attitude that will help people consider it.

[@geordieny]

Tim Secar I didn't say nobody will go vegan because of it. I said it starts the wrong argument. Sure some will switch because of it but I feel more people will avoid it because of shit like that doc.

[@geordieny]

Tim Secar I'm sorry. Please highlight the section where I mentioned science...

[@geordieny]

Tim Secar also the people you heared, direct quote, who switched is anecdotal. Also not scientific.

[@geordieny]

Tim Secar lol none of those are vegan

[@jaidev777]

Fully agreed to the letter, Cian. Vegan myself but never identified with the vegan 'community' or 'culture', as I kept seeing attitudes that, though often originally coming from a place that means well, have evolved into arrogance, destructiveness and dishonesty. I fear many have gotten wrapped up in pushing vegan/veganism labels rather than remembering to consider how to improve wellbeing or health while being both intellectually honest and pragmatic. The vicious shaming of nonvegans is a big part of the problem, as it easily perpetuates and unfortunately lends more credibility to the negative perception people have of vegans, and turns away well meaning people who, god forbid, aren't flawless. So much for unity.

[@LH-su6px]

As a vegan med student, I have to say I freakin' love your channel. Thank you for being a "normal person" vegan, who makes veganism a little less of a cult.

[@kaylabrown3187]

THANK YOU FOR THIS. I have been waiting for a vegan to debunk this mess of a documentary. You are not doing a disservice to veganism, people who cite cherry-picked, inconclusive studies as truth are, because if this is the basis of going vegan, then veganism and plant-based diets can be too easily discredited.

[@ShareefusMaximus]

Did she say POLYUNsaturated? !!! She doesn't know about all those corn oil tests? You think these doctors are advising low fat vegan diets just to be party poopers?

[@slenderhopesmith8587]

This woman is interested in truth and science. Sorry if that doesn't comport with your veganism cult.

[@zain4019]

Slenderhope Smith She’s a vegan herself. You know that right? She’s NOT critical of veganism, but falsehoods and exaggerations.

[@KJ-nv9uz]

I believe Slenderhope Smith specifically referred to the veganism cult- which would be directed at vegans who are upset that UV is even questioning/criticizing the documentary. Keyword: CULT

[@TheRobinPetersson]

Hm you missed the point of the video fully.... like with the other vegan channal, second video i sen now and am not impressed. You talk calmly and lure people. I wonder if your realy a vegan, or a fake channal to spred fake facts.

[@FeralKimchi]

So most people here seem to be upset that she isn't just jumping on the bandwagon praising the documentary. Would you rather her ignore the blatant misrepresentations in the video just to further her ideological narrative? Are you guys really interested in truth or is it just to propagate your worldview?

[@xoxomaddie777]

So glad somebody posted this! I love learning about health and nutrition so when i saw “what the health” on Netflix I was excited to watch it. About 15-20 minutes in, I had to stop. For instance, eating an egg every day can be equivalent to smoking multiple cigarettes a day? What the hell? Where the hell would they even get research to back up this claim? I was appalled. More so I was disappointed that Netflix even allowed this documentary to be on their platform as it very clearly spreads so many make “facts”.

[@gracebailey8130]

yeah that part threw me 😂😂

[@tanikokishimoto1604]

Yes that's when I stopped watching, too.

[@ga2781]

That's when I switched off too. I was like the whole eggs =bad cholesterol was debunked years ago... And worse than smoking? It was clear they were relying on fear mongering and pseudo science to make their point. Which seemed to make no sense when there are lots of valid claims they could have made to promote veganism. I really enjoy UV's channel and the message that it's not all or nothing when it comes to reducing animal products consumption. That any reduction might be a positive change.

[@mackenziegivens6061]

Yeah, I saw this film back in high-school. And when the main guy says "I don't drink soda, I don't eat fast food, yada yada ya" immediately I thought "Really. You're gonna put yourself on this pedestal this early on. This gonna be some fake shit.🤦‍♀️" Edit: If eating eggs really had the same effect as smoking, I wouldn't be able to count on one hand the number of times I've had an asthma attack.

[@woozyloozy]

Well, I respect you for your rational views, but I don't think, that you 'debunked' the entire documentary or the science in it... you may have put some of the things said and implied in the documentary into perspective, but "debunked"? "Debunked" has such an absolute "feel/meaning" to it :) Anyway, thank you!

[@orionantares]

She certainly illustrated it as a propaganda piece.

[@blueviserion]

agreed. good video. HORRIBLE misleading title.

[@The93Nats]

Alex Winter even if some parts are true it remains pseudo science! Just ask a professor at uni! If you tell him that is science you will most likely fly out of the closest window or door...

[@ezrabay4393]

"Debunked"? Maybe yes, maybe no, depends on how you define the word. Regardless, I'm sure you can convey your "feel/meaning" without resorting into spreading propaganda pieces filled with intellectual dishonesty.

[@23100Battlefield]

I don't like the word debunked. It implies you go into it with the sole purpose to refute it, rather than look at it objectively with an open mind. This is what James Randi talks about if you know who he is.

[@solomonpapish5002]

She needs to re- name herself the unhappy vegan....

[@emanatingf]

"Correlation does not equal causation."

[@kristinfrey8088]

There's actually a video on KZbin by Dr. Davis that's meant to be a response to a video ZDoggMD made of himself watching the documentary and Dr. Davis goes more in depth into the science behind his positions mentioned in the documentary. In case anyone is interested.

[@HaloofCurls]

I think ZDogg is going to have Dr. Davis on his show at some point which should be interesting. Considering ZDogg seems to be more of a general doctor and Dr. Davis is a specialist, I wonder whose word we should trust?

[@ghettobrown209]

HaloofCurls zdog is an ass clown

[@Farfeincouger]

KEF MyLife They both had their fair points, Z Dog is totally a douche; loud, rude, outspoken. But Davis is a lot calmer, is indeed a specialist, yet equally ego trips trying to make himself appear better over another doctor. Both are haughty, proud professionals who have massive egos and talk as if others are beneath them. But the fine points are there if you are able to take them away from that

[@SupermotoZach]

Link please?

[@FoetusInYourNoodles]

You don't have google? www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein bsufn.com/2015/01/14/plant-proteins-in-human-nutrition-myths-and-realities/ I have only mentioned FACTS. BIOLOGICAL FACTS. They are testable. Get a fucking nutrition testing kit.

[@ro-ck-yo5295]

#cherrypicking

[@markdawson9094]

This is great. An objective vegan.

[@nodnoc]

a rare specimen indeed lol

[@dewdusky2915]

The studies you cite show low carbohydrate diets reducing glycation damage, NOT improving insulin sensitivity. You are confusing people about the science

[@ErykaSoleil]

I'm not familiar with glycation damage at all; thanks for pointing that out, so I can go look it up in more detail. :)

[@kulata]

Only if you knew what you actually typed. Lmao

[@bruhinthewild]

she debunked it with no valid science....go figure.

[@hannahbond4775]

I figure its they same way they came up with facts to put in the documentary.

[@roller1815]

Hahahahah

[@OnlyThomasHayes]

10:50 "just because there is a study, or even several studies that indicate a positive correlation with cancer, diabetis, heart disease, or whatever, it doesn't mean that these studies are the final word" Like damn, how many studies do you need before you understand that a meat-based diet increases chances of these diseases???

[@dwarfi923]

People who want to live in denial will find every excuse possible

[@jassikaur4703]

They clearly lay emphasis on whole plant foods they've never said consume Sugary sodas instead of meat and dairy they are trying to bring out that sugar is being used as a scapegoat in relation to diabetes n other lifestyle diseases where as the main culprit is meat and dairy refined sugars is bad for u no doubt but not as bad as meat and dairy you are here just for views trying to act like your the only rational vegan here you agree that several studies have shown a positive correlation between dairy and cancer and yet you tell your viewers not to take those studies seriously are you for real ?? It's the tobacco industry all over again how many more people have to get cancer so you can finally believe that dairy causes cancer ?? You just keep dismissing these studies you doing a great job in creating doubts in the minds of your viewers just like the tobacco industry yes veganism isn't perfect but it is certainly very healthier than a meat based diet

[@taliasxx]

Oddly enough I don't get "negative" from unnatural vegan, and I don't recall ever getting that vibe from her (though I can think of a few vegan YTers who do..). She's rational and informative; a pleasure for me to listen to and I live my life different from her. She's one of my favorite vegan youtubers, the other being Lily from Hawaii. I don't know, I do agree with the sentiment that many adhere to extremes and it's not a good thing. It seems people aren't inclined to being... rational. I don't at all understand why a video like this has so many dislikes.

[@emanatingf]

@Things Betwixt She's a real, authentic breath of fresh air in the Community

[@jackieholland71]

You didn't debunk anything. You talked in circles and pointed out a few insignificant things.

[@theanakochama]

Thank you Swayze, these were my thoughts when I watched this documentary. And to the people who criticize that she disagrees with what a doctor said, just because someone is a doctor does not mean that everything he says is right, I am a med student and have met professors, who believed in wrong things or made misconseptions. We are all human and no one is a God, everyone makes mistakes. It is right to counterargument with studies from pubmed, thats a valid point to make. (sorry for bad english)

[@peruperu-jj8zs]

theanakochama yes, also the documentarian can edit out stuff and make it more simplistic.

[@piau1798]

Especially when it comes to nutrition! From what I’ve read and heard from med student friends, doctors don’t even learn anything about nutrition in university really. Depends on where you study I guess but I find this very ... interesting to say the least.

[@Brickinasock]

You can't fight fire with broccoli. You gotta fight fire with water. That's why What the Health does what it does. It tries to weigh down on the other side of the scale rather than pussyfoot around.

[@kirakoraawesome]

I hate this documentary so much. for so long, I was convinced my mother (a survivor of breast cancer) was going to get her cancer back and die because of our diet, and I was terrified about me and my dad's health as well. and my family couldn't and can't easily go vegan, so I just had to stay scared. stay convinced that this week could be mine, or my parents last. after a couple months though, I realized the documentary was false... and looked about some debunking stuff. Anyway, I just don't get why they'd lie about that, since getting people terrified for their health for no reason isn't a good way to get them to change their diet.

[@kaylzzzza]

Yes because they went to school for 10+ years and fight for this to lie to the world...people if you cant see it first hand how can you have am opinion

[@LetsPlayer493]

Mainly because they get paid to sell false "facts" to people.

[@user-se2nq6vo6j]

@Glen M They recommend that lifestyle because they themselves have seen patients reversing diseases. The problem is whem people that have no knowledge think they know something because they have read some articles smh

[@user-se2nq6vo6j]

@Glen M Again, you can't compare your knowledge to these people. It is arrogant and ignorant to suggest otherwise. Because if you had so much knowledge as you claim, you would know that the more veggied and fruit the better the diet is, and obviously cutting all animal products is the best and their surveys prove that. Because humans have done something for many yeats does not justify it. The vegan diet,, cruelty-free diet is the best for the planet, for us and most importantly the animals. There are vegans who have lived that way for 40-50 or even more years. That lifestyle has been proved to be healthu by many health organisations and health professionals along with research that has lasted decades. And yeah you cant compare that with the 40 books you have read. Because you read a book does not make you an expert. Get over yourself

[@Bakuta1103]

Swayze, thank you so much for all of your videos. While I myself am not vegan yet (currently in ED recovery) I have been considering a vegan diet for a long time. I just want to say that you are one of the few vegan youtubers who actually influences me. This is due to your logical and objective approach to all of your arguments and your ability to critique other vegan youtubers who make transitioning to a vegan diet appear way to overwhelming (aka hate talk on healthy fats and being very pushy with the raw diets or HCLF diets). I just wanted to say thank you and keep it up!! Hopefully when I come out of recovery I'll be able to adopt a healthy vegan diet for both the very important ethical and physiological reasons!

[@jijasd]

About the ADA interview part, I think you might've forced bit of your own meaning into his words about 'any diet works', as I do understand your reasoning for him not being able to say what a proper diet is, he simply did not mention any of those diets that you have mentioned, also he was being reluctant about comparing a plant base diet to the recommend meal on the website. Furthermore, even if they do have 'vegan' recipes on the website, as long as they do promote animal based diet knowing that it cause harm to our bodies, then people will be introduced 'doubt', if you see 'bacon shrimp' and a plant based diet on the same list of healthy eating, quite obvious that meat eater will choose 'bacon shrimp'. It is just another marketing tactic that they use (which was also mentioned in the film by Dr. Greger). I don't think diet will be hard to follow when patients are suffering from a preventable disease through diet, and I do agree with the film that processed meat should have labels telling the general public what harm they can bring to the body. The film I think is an opportunity to promote veganism, despite the flaws (Information that favor one side doesn't exactly make it 'false' information), if we were wait for a 'perfect' film, how much harm will be done by then? This is a great piece of work to raise awareness, fact and details are available to the public, we can research to see if the facts are true and solid, just as you did for this video.

[@TheRavenousCoral]

I normally can't watch videos by vegans all the way through, most are just too smug or emotional to tolerate. I've watched this twice. A healthy dose of skepticism and reasoning presented clearly.

[@xHaniffax]

I think your approach of trying to promote veganism by "debunking" diet related claims is counter productive and won't actually be helping veganism. OF COURSE we should critically appraise and question claims especially when people try to push pseudo-science. But the majority of people who initially look in to veganism do so to try it out because of their health and are interested in changing their diet to improve their lifestyle in a sustainable way and then they start to look into the ethical and environmental side. I think you are seriously barking up the wrong tree by deterring people from following a healthy plant based diet by speaking about it so condescendingly is not going to help people make the switch because ultimately people are selfish and they only care about what's in it for them. So if people don't think a vegan diet will be good for their health and they can still be healthy eating meat then they will continue eating meat. A lot of people don't see the ethics side because the cruelty in animal agriculture is so well hidden and the environmental impact is even harder to see and long term and people will be long dead by the time there is any tangible impact so who cares? That is how people think. I know you're trying to be rational and not promote over exaggerated claims but videos like these really don't help the movement.

[@mathildesyrup8091]

Ain't no ethical ground if veganism is not health sound and proof. Health > Ethics realistically speaking.

[@catkin-z8g]

it is true really they are one and the same thing. without the health there is not ethics and without ethics there is not health. perhaps in the early days some vegans didn't realise it would be healthy and some people wanted to stick to an ethical reasoning or perhaps it was infiltrated by animals rights people to give the public a perception veganism was not healthy and just about the animals. they could look after their own health or rot away on soy and rice instead of being aware of the healthy vegan foods like raw fruits and veg.

[@jennyfiorito8080]

xHaniffax I totally agree with you! Having this documentary so popular is helping spread the vegan message! When people realize how much they are infecting their diet, then they can start to understand veganism. I'm not saying anyone who watches this documentary is going vegan, but it will get them to think about the effect their food choices have. And that is very important!

[@imrandma]

Applause, very good comment. 👏

[@AlinefromToulouse]

I use your post in order to do a general statement on the subject of this video : You really dont need to follow a plant based diet to be healthy, or even for the environment , the only thing that makes veganism worth it is the ethic. You dont need to be extreme or lie to convince people to be vegan, showing the appalling reality of food industry and animals treatment is enough. Eating vegan is not THE thing against bad health, even a vegan person can eat too much calories and a lots of sugar and fat.

[@taylorlee3072]

Not risk, REDUCTION. You are taking those studies out of context. Dr Barnard was talking about the onset of diabetes, not its management. Just because a low carb diet can control diabetes does not mean a high fat diet does not cause diabetes. Obviously once you've acquired diabetes, you're gonna have to control it with a low carb diet because the fat has led to insulin resistance. Also, high processed sugar diets are associated with diabetes because IN CONJUNCTION with a high fat diet, there will be a high level of blood glucose.

[@Throat_Spray]

All of that is wrong, biochemically

[@jamilnichols1558]

What's your credentials besides making youtube videos and being able to google articles? lol

[@mistyfying7729]

Not having credentials doesn't preclude her from participating in the conversation. Jerk.

[@jcrooge]

Wow, this person in this video is not smart anywhere.

[@LazyCharms]

I love that your cat keeps wandering around in the background.

[@PercivalHoward]

Why do you do this? You are worse than a meat eater. Shame on you.

[@christopherbolanos3751]

My entire family is talking about it and im just dying on the inside

[@racheltania4498]

What health problems are caused by lean, unprocessed meat or some yogurt? All I see are studies discussing fatty and/or processed meat eaten in excsess being linked to (not directly causing) some health ailments. No need for false information if veganism is supposed to be 'all about the animals'. The ethical part should be enough without any person or film attempting to invent their own facts.

[@tiah1927]

She's just offering another perspective you sheep. Calm down.

[@jessicaannoh6377]

Tia H this comment is a whole mood😂

[@charleyedwards3056]

"So check out some of my videos and subscribe if ya like. Also, I am not a doctor, a dietitian, or a scientist. I do have a college degree though . . . in philosophy." Me too (college degree)... So basically, you get your info from peer review as well... I guess we are all duped by ??? so which review, study or info source is correct, I like your glasses So I'll listen to you? WoW... I can't call myself a vegan, (Although I do not eat any animal products) nor have I ever endorsed it... I'm not sure what your point or your crusade is? Good luck with that and I hope you make a decision on which study, review or what ever you decide is good for "you". I did not hear any information here that is any different from any other quack that gets on this tube and tries to prove a point... BTW, What is your point? It kind of bounces back and forth??? PS... I think (my humble opinion) I'm thinking you all are over thinking the whole deal... Here's the deal, it has been proven the powers that be will poison us for money in both the plant and meat world... FACT... As a cancer survivor and how I do not know how that happened with all the scientific jargon... I stopped eating meat, jammed up on the greens... did not do Chemo, and whaaat.. my Cancer slowly went away... (I have medical records to back this). So I'm no doctor and I have no proof my remission was caused by only eating my leafy greens... however I'm pretty sure that did not hurt. Good luck with your mission to be vegan (unnaturally?) and over think what is the most simple thing on this planet... Oh, and along with all the others, that go both ways... meat people, vegan peoples...

[@teamjoffery]

Fat is so important! Thank you for poking holes in the documentary. Not because I have anything against it, but because it made me think. I don't want to just advocate something because it's vegan. I want to be on the same page with those who think critically, and use the tools at their disposal to do the right things for themselves and others.

[@starcatcher5578]

They are not saying "no fat". The spectre of diabetes starts after a certain amount of fat.

[@BezoomnyBratchny]

Unfortunately, all the effort that went into making this video will inevitably go to waste. The intellectually honest vegans have already seen this movie for what it is, before they ever read a single one of the studies mentioned in the movie. If there's a single objective person of average intelligence or above out there that can sit through the entire runtime of What The Health without realizing that it's full of shit, I'll eat my hat. It makes the bullshit so obvious, it's impossible to miss it. So the only people left that actually liked the movie are people that are complete morons and people that are exhibiting cognitive dissonance. The morons will barely get through the first few minutes of this video before they get confused, then bored, then shut it off and move on. The ones exhibiting cognitive dissonance have got it real bad. Worse even than young earth creationists. I've had to stand back in awe at some of the brazen excuses people have made for this movie. Astonishing things. They're batshit insane. You'll never bring them back to reality.

[@sdushdiu]

And the bullshit continues.

[@marinegolfer68]

thanks for your video... as a result I have reclassified myself. I will no longer tell people I am vegan; I now refer to my way of eating as plant based. Your subliminal messages about what animals would appreciate grated on me a little too much. My plant based journey started without a care of what was being done to animals to feed people; rather it was an attempt to possibly reverse health conditions.

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

Let's see should I listen to Dr. Neal D. Barnard who has had studies he has done in reputable peer review journals that the AMA, JAMA have recommended or Unnatural Vegan? If one listens carefully to What The Health it is noted complex carbohydrates are the healthy 'carbs' one should eat. As for any diet works, a actual diet is a lifestyle not a temporary activity. Thus a long term diet that has animal products will NOT work if one is looking for over all positive HEALTH for their entire life. And anyone who is willing to do their homework will find numerous links that prove that the unhealthy food industry has funded studies that they only published if the results were favorable to them. NPR last September 17 2016 on Weekend Edition Saturday did a show with Dr. Michael Jacobson of the Center for Science in the Public Interest noted the Journal of the American Medical Association's Internal Medicine reported that the sugar industry paid for scientists to produce research that would downplay the link between sugar and heart disease. And as they note 'But there are certainly things that could be done, like mandatory disclosure in medical journals and including conflicts of interest statements in the abstracts that are used by millions of scientists, journalists and the public. So that's a way to kind of integrate information about financial interests into the system.'

[@traumatizedwick1760]

You're trying debunk doctors and researchers?

[@danielmclaughlin2733]

Your cat at the end.......lmfao.

[@danielmclaughlin2733]

he's like " I need to get this thing hats on the wall!!!!"

[@dougdelt]

On diabetes, Barnard starts by saying diabetes is not caused by eating a high carbohydrate diet. 2:05. He means a diet high in fruits and vegetables. He is correct. "It’s the type of fat found predominantly in animal fats" that cause diabetes. Dr. Greger explains this at this link with numerous studies in links to support ... nutritionfacts.org/video/diabetes-as-a-disease-of-fat-toxicity/. Dr. Barnard speaks similarly. He does not say only a diet low in meats prevents diabetes type 2. But he is absolutely correct to say a diet high in meats is an established factor in type 2 diabetes. That's all he said, and you did not disprove that.

[@lnmemoryofjohnmordaunt7386]

dougdelt funny that, because I am type 1 , and many fruits send my bg soaring. There's also a lot of people who have completely reversed their type 2 with a ketogenic diet.

[@christina7454]

Fat in the blood or body is not always dietary fat though. The only time in my life my doctor was concerned about my triglycerides was when I was eating a high carb low fat diet.

[@RR-oo3sm]

Do you think you’re criticising it because you want to keep eating all the high fat vegan foods?

[@bassam.2023]

I'm so glad that there is a KZbin commentator that shows us how deceptive, dishonest, and poor at their work Dr. Barnard and Dr. McDougal actually are. /end sarcasm

[@RobertWadlow292]

You have to be a potato yourself if you believe Mcdougall's potato diet is actually good for you

[@racheltania4498]

Is he the unlicensed chiropractor, or is that some other guy?

[@fuckenps3]

Pray tell Rob, what is wrong with a starchivorous diet?

[@karlhungus5554]

The devil is in the details. Good job. p.s. Your cat is awesome!

[@brontelee6726]

And a carnivore. I really don’t get this practice of vegans keeping carnivorous pets. Unless they feed them vegan food too. Which is animal cruelty. Period

[@brontelee6726]

David Holyfield kudos to you.

[@Soul_Younes]

So you started by saying that Barnard should not claim that it's the animal products that cause T2D, and then pointed to studies that show that high plant fat consumption does not have the same negative effect. So you did technically prove that Barnard was right; and he is right. Animal products are the largest source of saturated fat, the type of fat linked to T2D, and although you could become diabetic on coconut oil, that's not the fat that people are mostly eating. Additionally, it's not as much about weight loss as it is about fat loss, and it's fat that you typically want to lose, not lean body mass. Kevin Hall Ph.D. et al. did a fantastic job showing what happens on a Plant-Based Low Fat diet vs an Animal-Based High Fat diet. Fat loss on high fat animal based diets is not a thing. Furthermore, and not to appeal to authority, but when it's Barnard whose program is reversing diabetes and not yours, I think it's best if you just shut up. As much as I agree that you should be critical of the information you hear and debunk any false information propagated by vegans as this only harms the movement, you are not being critical at all. Maybe you just want to be that edgy vegan who criticizes vegan documentaries. Maybe it'll get non vegans to follow you for “bEiNg UnBiAsEd” and eventually become vegans themselves? Who knows... Can't say I approve of that approach, but whatever saves the animals, right? I feel like I'll spot many other holes in your logic if I keep watching, and I do not want to make this comment even longer, so perhaps it's best if I stop watching, cause I won't be able to hold myself if this were to persist, and I have a feeling it will. How sad would I then be, to read the comments and see how many think you have discredited the health experts in the documentary, even though you wouldn't have debunked shit...

[@marilynhorne4954]

She is such an idiot. All she does is kiss the carnivores' asses.

[@WannAlana]

I don't understand how the lifestyle they promote is "hard to follow", I find it quite easy, this is coming from someone living below the poverty line in a big city

[@Aceofwolves]

Carbs are less filling than fat and protein which means you have to ear MORE food.

[@strangekat2840]

Some of the claims in the documentary are ridiculous.

[@GaryHighFruit]

Says who?

[@RobertWadlow292]

"Sugar doesn't cause diabetes"

[@Aceofwolves]

ALL of the claims are

[@sorrelsne]

Wow! I typically love your videos. You are not a dietitian, and clearly your “looking” for holes a little too hard. You completely missed BGH in dairy and cancer. Omg and your “any diet” fast forward to your video on keto. So any diet that kills you works? Or are you just in it to contradict yourself. Wish I had time to finish your video.

[@xSpecterx99999999]

Thanks for posting this video. It takes guts to debunk a video that most of your followers will blindly like. There is so much intellectual honesty in your video (exactly what was missing from "what the health").

[@starcherry6814]

Wow. This documentary could get someone killed!

[@bombuniverse1578]

I’m so sick of how everybody makes veganism so controversial. Going vegan should be lifestyle change, which it is, but everyone made it a way bigger deal than it has to be. I do not have anything against vegans. If you wish to do so, by all means, be my guest. The only thing that bothers me is how vegans frown upon us meat-eaters so much, they will sometimes take extreme measures to force everyone to stop eating meat. They will do this by distorting the truth and saying,” oh meat and dairy products cause this, cause that.” This is definitely not the way to go. If you want people to go vegan, do it in a friendly manner. At the end of the day, we’re all people, with our own opinions and beliefs. We should all acknowledge that our differences can bring us closer.

[@sarahschouveller1993]

I got a Red Lobster ad during this video......

[@Cynthia-Landers]

8:04 'No distinction is made between whole carbohydrates and refined carbohydrates. That's a huge problem.' THANK YOU! What The Health got me wondering, "What happened to the old complex carbs vs. simple carbs system? I understood that." I feel like if I eat a box of Twinkies for dinner, What The Health would say, that's a carb meal. And if I ate a salad of leafy greens & only leafy greens, WTH would say, that's a carb meal. They don't differentiate between carbs!

[@Aceofwolves]

Yep same with fat Saturated fat and trans fats MAY be problematic. Especially trans fats. But poliunsaturated fat (such as those in olive oil) is incredibly healthy

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[@ggrubbs6832]

My cat was going bonkers in the background of my life while I listened to you and watched yours do the same thing 😂 gotta love them!

[@Mines2013]

Give the people what they want: more footage of the cat!!

[@georgewilson7808]

I thought the documentary What The Health was spot on. No debunking needed.

[@danceguardmusicgirl1]

Since you brought up a discussion of the eco-Atkins style diet, will you make a video over Atkins/ketogenic style diets, or more specifically if there is a benefit to adapting a plant-based low-carb high-fat diet? I'd be interested in your thoughts about long-term ketogenic diets, even when they are plant-based or vegan.

[@laramarcal87]

Everything claimed in the movie has studies to back it up and their website links every single one of them!

[@lennymice2261]

Have you read the studies that they cite?

[@laramarcal87]

Lenny Mice I haven’t read in detail every single one of them but have checked a few... also Kip Anderson says that to this day everybody that tries to debunk the movie they invite tho go in person on a debate with one of their doctors, live, no cuts! No one has ever accepted or showed up for that debate! Maybe unnatural vegan should be the first!!

[@lennymice2261]

@@laramarcal87 Fair enough. It's a lot to get through. If you do ever find the time or are invested enough to have the willingness to go through them though, you'll start to see the cracks appear and understand why people are critical of the movie. The real meat (no pun intended) is in the reading of studies that comveniently AREN'T cited by the makers of the movie though. Then a sizable portion of the movie's arguments fall apart altogether. Of course, this is even more of a grind than reading the movie citations though so isn't very practical if the latter is not a viable option for you. Yeah, people pushing pseudoscience in all its forms always offer live debates (young earth creationist Kent Hovind for instance always immediately challenges people that debunk his material rather than actually rebut the debunking. And Steven Crowder invited a geologist onto his show after the geologist handed him his ass on climate change in a KZbin video, leaving Steven unable to cobble together a response video). It's a very sneaky tactic. It makes them look good by creating the false impression that they're open to debate whilst simultaneously using it for the exact opposite purpose; protecting them from their bogus claims being checked up on. The ability for a would-be adversary to actually read the studies that they're citing and any other data relevant to analyzing their claims is fatal to them. So they offer a live debate where they can pre-prepare things to cite, then blindside their adversary with it without them being able to read the content of what they're citing to see if they're misrepresenting it and read other material to see if it's being cherry picked. This is not a tactic to be praised for its openness. It's a tactic that should be seen for the calculated blockade that it is. If Kip is serious, let him make a video or documentary that addresses the many parts of his movie that has now been debunked.

[@laramarcal87]

Lenny Mice good points.. I am sure there are a lot of studies that what the health hasn’t cited, my problem is, who funded these? For example, some studies claiming olive oil is good for us many times are funded by olive oil companies and are comparison studies putting olive oil against butter.. so of course in that comparison olive oil will be a hero.. I honestly wouldn’t even know where to go looking for those studies.. after the movie I did start looking closely into each doctor that is in the movie, seeing them healthy and following their work has been proving me time and time again how much they make sense.. in my personal experience, my kids have been so healthy on a plant based diet, my husband was able to lower his blood pressure that I really had no reason to go look for studies debunking what seems to be working so good for us.. and when I do come across someone trying to debunk the movie they’re usually in Joe Rogan.. lol.. Do you happen to know the name to the geologist? Would love to see someone destroying crowder..

[@lennymice2261]

@@laramarcal87 Apologies in advance. This comment is going to be stupidly long. I can feel it already. *who funded these?* Indeed. This was one of the few valid points that the movie made. And I didn't know about it prior to seeing What The Health either, so I credit it with bringing it to my attention. I was aware that it happened in certain industries of course. The tobacco industry is infamous for funding rigged studies back when they still thought they could save the reputation of cigarettes. And without even needing to do any research to check up on commercials for beauty products, it's always very obvious that their "clinically proven to X" type claims are internally arrived at through dodgy means that barely meet legal standards for advertising. But I didn't know it was so commonplace in general. And I was skeptical even after seeing the claim in What The Health, and read up on it with the intent of dismissing the claim. But I ended up confirming it instead by finding out that (if I remember correctly) studies funded by industries that produce products that the study is about are 5 times more likely to end up with a result that is favourable to that industry than studies that are funded independently of that industry. Very worrying stuff. And I don't understand why Unnatural Vegan is in denial about that. So I completely agree that we have to be mindful of this when choosing what studies to look through. This stuff isn't limited to industry funded studies though, despite the movie trying to imply otherwise. So they start with a valid point but then use it to make an unjustified blanket dismissal. It's also worth noting that they're somewhat shooting themselves in the foot because Joaquin Phoenix is the producer of What The Health. When an evangelical vegan is funding their movie, does their logic not dictate that we should be skeptical of the veracity of its pro-vegan content? *I honestly wouldn't even know where to go looking for those studies* Google has a section of their site called "Google scholar". The section itself is behind a paywall but one useful aspect of it is that it also integrates itself into regular Google just like the maps section and shopping section does. By which I mean that if you Google "Los Angeles to New York", Google will automatically embed a script from its map section into the top of the search results, complete with an actual map. Likewise, if you do searches for studies (e.g. typing "study" followed by what you want a study about), it will embed scientific papers above the regular search results. You'll know what I mean once you see it and will immediately recognise them because they're formatted differently to the rest of the results. This is just the first step though. More often than not, once you click through to any given study, it will only allow you to read the abstract of the study. Then there will be some sort of "read the full article" button behind a paywall (either by subscribing for a monthly fee or entering your student ID because university students get free access). When that happens, the thing to do is to copy the title of the study and paste it into a website called "citationsy archives". They perform some sort of wizardry (I don't really understand the process) to generate free links to the full study, usually via a PDF download. *Seeing them healthy and following their work has been proving me time and time again how much they make sense* When you say following their work, are you still referring to their health (as in "the scientific claims that they make in their work seem to be valid because they're following their own advice and it's keeping them healthy") or are you referring specifically to just the claims themselves if that makes sense? *my kids have been so healthy on a plant based diet, my husband was able to lower his blood pressure that I really had no reason to go looking for studies debunking what seems to be working so good for us* Ohh I don't doubt it. I didn't mean that if you were to look through studies, you would discover that veganism isn't a healthy lifestyle choice. You won't. Because the data is very clear on that. It is. And there isn't a dietary association that I've heard of that isn't in full agreement of that. I'm a vegan myself, partly for that reason. I'd been a vegan on and off for years beforehand for ethical reasons but was never able to stick to it (I was a stoner back in those days and the munchies doesn't respect animal welfare) and then when I later developed heart problems and had to start eating healthily one way or another, I chose a vegan diet out of the available options as a convenient way to choose what I consider to be ethical whilst bypassing the lack of willpower to stick to it when there wasn't any immediate risk to myself involved. So yeah, I entirely agree that veganism, when done right, is a very healthy way to live. If this is all the movie had claimed, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. But it wasn't satisfied with that. It had to distort science in places, misinterpret it in others and sometimes even fail to understand scientific principles themselves (I realise that these are meaningless descriptions on their own. I'll give some specific examples of the kind of thing I'm talking about in subsequent comments, I promise. It's been quite a long time since I saw the movie but I still have a vague memory of some of the criticisms that I had with it. I just don't want to make this comment any longer than it already is). And all with a mind to exaggerating things from both ends. First, exaggerating the benefits of a vegan diet to the point of giving it some sort of mystical quality that is a miracle cure or prevention mechanism towards a whole host of things and that it will also turn people into super athletes. And second, by exaggerating the drawbacks of meat and dairy to such an extent that veganism isn't only a healthy alternative, but a superior alternative. And then further still to not just being a superior alternative but the ONLY healthy option. *and when I do come across someone trying to debunk the movie they're usually in Joe Rogan* People cite Joe Rogan in an attempt to debunk What The Health? That's hilarious. I don't know what has happened to Joe Rogan in recent years. I used to be a pretty big fan of him 20 years ago but he's a shadow of his former self. 90% of the stuff he talks about these days, he speaks with such ignorance. Which isn't surprising, given that his idea of research seems to be skimming through whatever article came up as the first search result when Jamie typed something into Google that was related to an enquiry that Joe spontaneously had. And his views on nutrition are pretty close to the top of that list of ignorant opinions. He is devastatingly ignorant about it. And his obsessive vendetta against veganism is downright bizarre. It's also deliciously ironic that he likes to rattle off the usual clichés about vegans being pushy and preachy. Meanwhile, the second he sniffs out that his guest is a vegan, he immediately tries to convince them to start eating meat with his usual "elk is supercalifragilisticexpealadocious" line. And even he seems to know the mental gymnastics that he's doing whenever he starts talking about how he's ok with putting bullets in them because he knows how elk die at the hands of predators. You can always see the insincerity in his face whenever he says it. Ridiculous human being. *Do you happen to know the name of the geologist? Would love to see someone destroying Crowder* Ahh, a fellow Crowder hater. His name is Peter Hadfield. His youtube channel is "potholer54". The video on his channel that destroys Crowder is called "Response to "DEBUNKED: Top 5 "Climate Change" myths" by Louder with Crowder". Obviously, the full title of the Crowder video itself is contained within that title too so you should be able to find that if you want to watch Crowder's video before watching Peter's rebuttal to it. From there, you'll probably be able to find Crowder's response where he desperately tries to get him to come on the show instead of actually addressing what he said as well. But if not, let me know and I'll try and find it for you and tell you the title.

[@bokajon]

Random Vegan Peasant debunks Film XY. Wow that's quite some credibility you got going for you there.

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

Yesss thank you!! So excited to watch!!

[@nickcasillas3395]

She's defending Dr. Robert Ratner? Lost me there.

[@nickcasillas3395]

Its concerning to her that these organizations are funded by KFC & Taco Bell... but not really. I'm starting to realize her skepticism is beneficial to her as well. What a great/controversial video to post. Makes it seem like she is just playing devils advocate, probably even convinced herself about that, but the points you chose to defend are not very good. It gets to the point that she is looking for any small reason to discredit the documentary. Poorly done in my honest opinion @unnatural vegan.

[@yangtse55]

The Newcastle study debunks Barnard's spin. ANY excess food will fill your liver and pancreas with fat. And ANY weightloss diet fixes it. I got a BMI of 32 and insulin resistance on carbs - a lot of them brown rice and wholemeal bread.

[@TheAmandaStormy]

Thank you, thank you! I had looked into these sources a bit myself and was unsatisfied. I couldn't even bring myself to watch the film. As a vegan scientist, I just cannot promote this film because of the cherry-picking and conflated claims.

[@bellalunaoxox]

You might be the healthiest vegan I’ve seen. Your skin is like porcelain, you are not anorexic looking, and sharp as a tack. Brilliant.

[@artix548]

I had to watch this documentary and then two other well-researched health documentaries afterward, and What the Health simply didn't add up. Trying to deceive people into adopting the vegan diet while also telling them to keep eating sugar is both disingenuous and dangerous.

[@Salmoninyourrice]

You're my favorite vegan. I trust you to do thorough research. A lot of vegan YT don't do that. I study global development and I learned to make a valid argument it's best to know the facts from both position to make the best most solid argument. A lot of vegans say what they want to hear. Researching even things that go against what you may think is important.

[@melb8436]

So glad another vegan feels this way. The doc was BS, I wrote a very angry review about it on Letterboxd.

[@FrankJFerendo]

You said, "Any diet that results in weight loss will be effective." Atkins is effective at weight loss but so unhealthy. Seems like you are the one who is cherry picking. Who are we going to believe? Drs. like Bernard and Greger or you? Now I have to unsubscribe. Bye.

[@Fendelfull]

The film is riddled with problems, no question. Good call. I have to take issue with your criticism of those who hold that "scientific studies" that are motivated by funding from an industry relevant to the study (conflict of interest) should be regarded with deep skepticism. Yes, the science might even be, theoretically, 100% correct. But since all science conducted by humans must contain some levels of bias, it is reasonable to be extremely skeptical of any science that doesn't take pains to remove bias from the equation. Those studies that not only fail to exhibit diligence along these lines, but actually pursue funding that has an interest conflict are, frankly, more likely to mislead you than to provide useful information and should only be worthy of your scrutiny if there are no other studies from which to draw. Even then, it makes sense to be hypervigilant to the point where one should expect outright mendacity. Why else would an industry feel the need to participate in said funding? Best case scenario, they're motivated by an interest to debunk something that has irrationally harmed their industry, and that's certainly understandable and potentially offers adequate justification for accepting this funding. But this would be the very best case scenario, and even then -- even if all the data is correct -- this bias should be considered. It's absurd not to see how science motivated by an industry can produce misleading conclusions, and there's a whole science of data presentation that specializes in exploiting cognitive biases in order to manipulate an interpretation of even accurate data. Yes, it would be wonderful if you could be sure not to be subject to these biases and if you could easily verify all claims and conclusions made, examine the data and verify its accurate collection, but this shouldn't be a full-time job for those examining these types of things, so it's reasonable to reject some studies outright when their biases become clear and other studies are available without such baggage.

[@garyloewenthal]

Valid point, and as you probably know, there's a growing body of empirical data (e.g., see Cochrane, Journal of the the AMA, Wall Street Journal) showing how bias affects study outcomes.

[@Fendelfull]

@@garyloewenthal Yes, and a whole field of expertise growing into this space that seeks to lead the public to make false conclusions without being guilty of stating those conclusions explicitly. People suck.