Untold: LeMond Opens Up About Relationship with Lance | RDMN Clips

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

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[@imtryinghere1]

Greg Lemond is the genuine article. Kudos to him for having character in the face of lies.

[@Gsp_in_NYC]

watch the full interview--this is a master class in integrity. well done Greg.

[@keepitreal1547]

During TDF times i've met and spoke with Greg numerous times and always found him to be a down to earth genuine, kind and friendly guy. I've met Armstrong just twice and found him to be the opposite.

[@berndtherrenvolk1951]

I've never met either of them. But just watching many videos of each one of them, the same thing comes through.

[@MICHAEL_MAY_8]

Lance has always been a massive prick. That's coming from someone who knew him well.

[@MA_808]

I was around those guys during the Greg and before Lance days,. All the riders were mostly prks, some more than others. They were hiding their dope use. Greg was always a very cool guy

[@joehiatt1992]

He is arrogant(armstrong).

[@PillemannOtze-n9c]

Lance is worse than his dad.....

[@brkaz5864]

Thank you for honesty and integrity Greg.

[@ericperreault6257]

78 VO2max discussion is the most compelling information on this entire saga I have ever heard. Amazing!!! Thank you for the courage and honesty Greg Lemond!!!

[@Gary-le7dz]

Froome indurain LeMond s vo2 was much higher than Armstrong s

[@darrellcriswell9919]

Lemond doesn't really understand V02max, he thinks it is a very precise measurement like your body weight, it isn't, there are lots of errors and methods to calculate it.

[@nadavegan]

@@Gary-le7dz Many college endurance athletes will be in the 70's.

[@listrahtes]

That's not the proof. There is a ton of other proof but that's not part of it

[@HariKrishnan-d8d]

I thought velocity at threshold was the best measure, at least in running

[@JohnnyTheMonkey]

Thank you for giving Greg some great exposure with your thoughtful questions and excellent interview skills. His story has been somewhat forgotten, but it’s important to the history of the sport. His insights are well-informed and refreshingly honest. Greg was so obviously talented from his earliest races. As a teenager, he would pore over pro cycling magazines at DellaSanta’s Reno fab shop, and he set his sights for the top, and then he rode to the top.

[@josephgiustiniani2834]

He is the reason I got into competitive cycling. Greg was a great rider. He inspired me to train more miles than I could ever imagine. At 63 I still enjoy my riding and glad I stayed with the sport. I also competed against Lance well before he turned pro. {during his triathlon days}. His ego was not very nice to any of us.

[@coreyb5348]

Greg LeMond was my superman growing up. My friends had posters of football players on their walls. I had Greg LeMond in the yellow jersey, REM and a U2 poster.

[@davidtimbro3677]

Total Respect for Greg. I have a 2003 LeMond Buenos Aires. It was a great ride though now a days (same age as Greg) I ride a gravel bike because of the relaxed geometry the LeMond is part of my permanent indoor cycling setup. I will keep the LeMond forever.

[@yZstarAk1979]

Thanks for breaking it down on the Mech efficiency indicator and the VO2 Greg.Simply,Well said

[@deepindercheema4917]

A remarkable moment in the history of all what is wrong in cycling. This interview seems to have moved the conversation into the clarity years.

[@CptImagine]

Among my friends in the day I refered to the Texan as a full to the brim enema bag. That he's back in the game sucks canal water. Greg you are and were Americas cyclings super star.

[@davemieze9021]

Having been a massive fan of Lance and Greg. I got out of a heroin addiction with the help of cycling. Bought a Fondriest bike. Nobody could understand why I would pay 2k for a cycling frame that you could lift with ur pinkie finger. Here I am 24 years later. Just found this content after the Lance documentary. I wanna get on a bike ASAP. Thanks for the content my friends

[@stevemc8156]

Greg Lemond is the best legend of a cyclist I ever met.

[@DOW9925]

How many have you met?

[@stevemc8156]

Too many to count

[@Gary-le7dz]

On other words NONE

[@jl3567]

Damn it. I click everything that has Greg. I have seen this video 100 times

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

We’re in the process of finalising a follow up podcast with Greg

[@scottmacdowall527]

Greg LeMond is the Man 🇺🇸

[@realcorkdan]

Greg says it as it is … i believe him and his knowledge of winning and racing is unparalleled ✅

[@Me-lj1rk]

I knew Chris Carmichael was a fraud as I sat listening to him at his book signing in early-mid 1990s. The book was "full" of inaccurate physiological prescriptions. I sat "stunned" as he had rose to the highest level of coaching because of his relationship with Lance. My two colleagues were equally shocked at his naive remarks. Everyone (media especially) embraced Carmichael, but I did not and recall talking to another best selling author and world-renown cycling coach and "we" had considered how this is likely a dual "fraud" with Lance. Ultimately, Lance and yes, the peloton were caught, BUT I always felt Carmichael got off way to easy. I knew he was a fake coach. And that was confirmed in books he was no more than a "beard", a fake. I talked with an editor of a magazine about what I was learning, but he said, "Marc, you have a great reputation, but you cannot and we cannot go against Lance...". BUT, to hear Lemond who was so damaged by companies for his science based commentary about Lance talk in this episode about Carmichael being a "fraud" to be honest, gave me a certain satisfaction. NO ONE individual has been more clean than Greg Lemond. And few understand the science markers of performance as he. Well done interview Roadman. Marc Evans www.sportsengineeringgroup.com (only putting this in if people want to read my bio).

[@donhancock1721]

That's why I have no respect for Armstrong, Not that he cheated but the arrogance about it and how he treated people. I watched 5 min. of his broadcast during the TDF and it was all about him and what he was doing and promoting products. He's still the same.

[@gregghorner9107]

He is a well spoken sociopath with no moral compass

[@legitbowler9877]

Yep. He’s a cocky narcissistic hypocritical warlock boy who needs a really good punch in the face for running the doping conspiracy which ended up scamming money from all of those people, hence why I call him scamarmstrong

[@listrahtes]

Armstrong is a sociopath criminal

[@bowwowrapha7790]

If he was promoting oxygen, I'd cease breathing!!

[@calvin1148]

Another irony about Lance was he was the number one person who ever broke Omertà, which is little spoken about, but he’s openly admitted on many occasions ‘everyone was doing it so he had to. He never just took the punishment, he has always thrown the whole Peloton under the bus.

[@DOW9925]

Because everybody who won was cheating, some much more so. But he’s the only one who won after having survived testicular cancer.

[@joseflemire4284]

LA's motive was to rescue his achievements ...It was a level playing field...of course it wasn't ...there's a huge difference between system supported doping and individuals trying to manage their cheating

[@joseflemire4284]

I was tested at 34 y/o at 76 Vo2 max...I was pretty good racing in those days at that..but Greg Lemond was 92!! Even if I was training when i was younger..I might have been in the 80's...I was told by one of the Tour riders in those days that the Italians started doping because of lemond...they knew they could not beat him unless the doped

[@cadumgarcia]

Everyone cheats but Greg 😏

[@jjmoto65]

Exactly. Everyone in the Pro Pelton cheats to some degree. Especially the GC guys are all looking for any advantages on their competition.

[@baTonkaTruck]

I love Lemond but completely ignoring lactate threshold is a big mistake, it's not just about VO2max.

[@joseflemire4284]

Lactate Threshold in Elite Athletes goes up to 80-90% of VO2 Max...so I don't think it would change much if anything among the elite's...Lactate as you know is produced once you are over your ability to use the aerobic system and have to use a portion of anaerobic to compensate for the increase in speed. Lactate is a accurate way to measure and train and see improvement but is not difference maker as much as a inherited VO2 max...

[@itsmeforsure5475]

A few years ago, I got into to listening to the interviews with Lance, Tyler & Floyd and I developed testicular cancer a month later. Greg really gets into the weeds about VO2 max and I found this interesting. My take away about the whole lance thing is to focus on how he beat cancer and came back as a top athlete. He was in rough shape for a while. Greg says in this interview that he had mono and won the tour. I don't know how that could be done, the racers are in tremendous shape.

[@charlesblithfield6182]

Great interview questions.

[@listrahtes]

Lance is pure evil. Ex Team Telekom cyclists told me about at least 2 cyclists were Armstrong ruined their careers for speaking up by strongarming tour organisers, intimidation , spreading rumours...etc. He should rot in prison

[@Peakabike]

Wait, where/when this dinner where he got "first hand" knowledge happen? 3:25

[@ArthurShedsJackson]

Thing is literally everyone was doping back in LAs era. I could be wrong but apparently 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc, etc were all doping too. Otherwise somebody would have been awarded the title, right? Lance was the best of the dopers but he seems to be a real jerk. Anywho congrats and proud of Greg's TDF titles, he's a national hero. He would have won more if not for his hunting accident.

[@richs4678]

probably top 100 were all doped around 1992-2006, but now in 2024 with modern skinsuit and bike and tires somebody could probably average a higher speed atleast than Lance ever did, even without doping... Thats why you have to be careful when assuming somebodys doped. Also Vingegaard is like 132 lb at 5-9. Lance was 158lb at same height.

[@ArthurShedsJackson]

@@richs4678 Yep, true that. tech has evolved. Nutrition too. Pros back to using the wider larger tires. Vingegaard is a beast. Just wish he had a little more engine on summit sprints like Tadje. He does that I can't see anybody having a real chance if he's in top form for years to come. He's so consistent day after day unlike some who have some bad days like Tadje & Remco did. Both their bad days knocked them out of contention.

[@DownfallHitlerParody]

@@ArthurShedsJacksonTech and nutrition hasn’t improved enough for “non-doping” cyclists to be breaking the records of known dopers - trust me it ain’t the socks that are causing them to break records 😂

[@jasm0ahn547]

How did Greg get mono before the 90 tour? Who was he making out with??

[@justpassingthrough4802]

Foolish comment. You are not very intelligent.

[@lbowsk]

I was a young buck who got into cycling when Lemond was the king of the world. Then I started reading about armstrong in cycling mags when he was a teenager. And again as be became pro and started kicking ass all over. This was before all the drug talk. I believed that he was just a freak and had incredible talent. NAHHHH. When Lemond spoke out against armstrong I wanted to believe that he was clean. What a mistake. It really sucks what happened to cycling, and how much of an ass armstrong turned out to be. I love the sport but hate the doping.

[@davidcarino6500]

I've seen cat 1 do 400 watts for 30 minutes, they weigh 155 lbs.

[@baTonkaTruck]

I raced as a cat 2, against several pro/1/2's who later got busted for doping. They were on a different planet, to the point where I looked at my numbers and said "nope, never, I have zero future in this sport." I even heard about a cat 4 get busted. Wild times.

[@lawrencekrikorian4681]

Greg Lemond is still the greatest American pro cyclist.

[@evanshaw17]

There was never a level Playing field doping people never understood this at the time and some still don’t today. People have different hematocrit levels so what happens with doping as some people get bigger benefits and others. So it’s basically a giant rationalization for people who cheated were criminals and made money millions of dollars illegally into private others of both of fame and fortune of all their own workneeds to be understood. People have a great way of rationalizing what they did by saying everybody did it.

[@edjack1993]

I am very sorry that Greg had to put up with Armstrong’s bullying bullshit. Greg seems like a man of integrity - and it cost him dearly. Armstrong wasn’t a terrible person because he cheated (as so many of his generation did). He was a terrible person because of the way he behaved and the professional lives he destroyed to maintain his lie. Pathetic and Despicable.

[@Peakabike]

Ok so Lemond didn't take EPO but what about all the rest ? ;-) The reason EPO was adopted so easily is that there'd always been a culture of "help" in cycling...how many times was Merckx caught, same for Zoetemelk, etc...

[@djoooop]

The culture was always there, its not about morality. They just didnt have epo - which was a real game changer.

[@kolenkoa]

Stand up guy

[@johngillis7625]

You should ask Greg and Lance what they think of POGO and his Giro D"italia win.......and complete domination. Clean?

[@jjmoto65]

No way he's clean

[@darrellcriswell9919]

His calculations on performance based on VO2max of rider performance are not correct, they do not take into account measurement errors, he assumes measuring VO2max is like weighing something on a scale, it is not anywhere as close as precise, it is fraught with errors.

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

Sports Scientists generally don't help the issue either. Too much misinformation flying around. Fantastic claims in science journals that don't bear any relation to real biology or physics.

[@mtnbk71]

He was beating dopers, hard to believe he wasn’t doping as well

[@RussellStrosnider]

You need to listen to the entire interview. He clearly states that he couldn't understand why he was in peak form and yet the peleton was recovering in less than 24 hours, with no easy days. It was after that that he learned about EPO.

[@peterbedford2610]

PEDs in professional cycling is very old. Hard to believe anyone was really clean...

[@markturner977]

Doping in your family also goes back a long way - unfortunatly you lot were doped up and still managed to achieve nothing..

[@torontocitizen6802]

There’s no such thing as a clean professional athlete.

[@Marchand848]

In ten years we will be having this conversation about Lebron James. This a cyclical problem that will never stop

[@OmahaSand]

I watched Dara Torres win Silver at the Olympics at 41 yrs old. I watched Nolan Ryan throw no hitters at 44 and 43 yrs old... Pretending that performance can only come from PED's is a naive viewpoint.

[@reflectionsdetail]

Indurain was suped up, but I never here Greg talk about him or others that had "unbelievable" results while Greg was still riding

[@markcynic808]

Probably because none of the others was such an obviously mediocre cyclist and none of the others tried to discredit Lemond or destroy him financially. Armstrong was not only third rate, but a vindictive lying scumbag.

[@CoachNealF]

Greg Lemond has spoken about the other APE riders who raced during his time period. He was clear they were the reason for him abandoning his efforts for a 4th TdF leader's win. Do a search for that if you are interested in finding out.

[@reflectionsdetail]

@@CoachNealF he talks about "others" but not specifically names names......Not like he does Lance. I suspect it's because Lance has admitted while most of the others haven't. Likely avoiding slander?

[@ShaikuraJarfaru]

He never was asked about those guys.

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

Greg has accused Indurain. But there's a lot of bitterness there. Greg isn't really helping the sport with his version of belief and disbelief. It's all very silly and unscientific.

[@AeroX-c4m]

Lemond will throw anyone under a bus to lift his legacy up. Please do something helpful for cycling versus blaming individuals.

[@williamhattaway372]

Bs

[@stephanel4770]

OMG… I love you Greg Lemond, but for God’s sake…can you finish a complete sentence? I found it difficult to follow him

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

Agree...it's really hard to follow what he's saying, it's like you've come in to the middle of a conversation from another room...

[@freddyjisp3064]

So are we to assume LeMond is not a fan of The Move? Hilarious

[@chadrathbone]

I’ll apologize to Greg. I’m sorry I didn’t believe you. I should’ve listened.

[@johnfranklin8319]

Let the guest speak.

[@scotiavelo1405]

Ha. Asks Greg LeMond on then days later gets hincapie. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

I’ll be chatting with people from all walks of life, all political spectrums, with people who’s ideas I agree with and those I don’t. I believe in the power of long-form, unfiltered conversation to help discover our common humanity, including the good and the evil we are all capable of.

[@richardupyurass2379]

So he basically said froome used a motor. Well froome is it true or you suing for defamation?

[@MrNatural-fq1tq]

Greg made the same mistake with Lance as he did with Hinault. Never under estimate the other guy's greed!

[@Gary-le7dz]

Problem for cycling pre 2010 is who do you believe , hinault Merckx fignon all done for drugs ( hinault missed 3 tests ) …. Personally I don’t believe anyone cycling from Greg’s era which is very sad , and indurain amstrongs eras

[@schwabit989]

Greg is a legend. Lance is a disgrace.🇺🇸

[@stevenlopez7135]

Chuck Norris Greg LeMond Bruce Jenner the forgotten hero's of the Republican Party , pure and clean as Herbert Hoover

[@OmahaSand]

Nobody thinks of Norris, Jenner, or Lemond as anything but Action Star, Olympian, Cycler .. Thanks for locating yourself as an over politicized goon - I guess why you'd reference a guy in office 100 years ago also ... as if anyone cared.

[@billhall6746]

Lance was a dirty doper and so was his team. He set back cycling for a decade in the US.

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

Who told Lance and the others that doping would make them faster? Look at the real culprits, 'Doctors', 'Sport Scientists' and 'Journalists'. Reset your moral compass to learning about how the human body really works rather than making villains out of talented young athletes.

[@Gary-le7dz]

Lemond was on the juice period , not his fault they all were and not until the early 2010 s is cycling clean enough through advanced testing to be called clean , yes rules are stretched but the lemond armstrong indurain s who were along with everyone else doping are long gone . As for his baseless accusations and they are completely baseless it’s a real shame , as it makes him sound bitter to any other multiple winner of the tour ….

[@gordonschiff3621]

Bullshit.

[@Gary-le7dz]

No facts …. LeMond was on the juice stop crying about it , he was still a great champion but before 2010 cycling at this level was heavily doped

[@Gary-le7dz]

Wiggins’s contador no they were not clean at all , Nibali was banned twice …, as froome yes he bent the rules with his inhaler but the advantage he got from that is minimal compared to the juice in LeMond indurain Contadors day also the fact he never failed a test in. Period of much much higher testing and reliability’ of testing he is a clean rider ,

[@OmahaSand]

You're a drug/fiend Gary .. just here to justify your own use with the "everybody's doing it" narrative.

[@effkay3691]

It’s not that they were or were not on the juice. It’s the hubris of Armstrong to think he could just win as many as he wanted in a row then retire then return to do it again. At some point you’re going to really piss someone off

[@huntingsynth]

On one point Greg is wrong….many riders today which use and upload powermeters consistently average 425-460 watts for 20/30/40 minutes

[@DOW9925]

I grew up in Northern Nevada like 10 miles from where I believe Greg Lemond lived in Washoe Valley. He inspired me to cycle for a while. But he always seemed really bitter like Lance personally hurt him which is just silly. It seems pretty evident that everyone was using EPO back then and my guess was that Greg probably wasn’t 100% clean.but anyway man he sure got old and out of shape.

[@TheCyclesport]

I think LeMond is great! He was my #1 idol during his racing career. But there is no possible way LeMond was going to win on the UCI World Tour as he did during his generation if he raced 100% clean. The game had changed when Armstrong was up for his time in the World Tour. And if Armstrong did not do as he did then the USA would just be looking up at the result sheets when other Nation's would have been the "big winners" and the USA would have been sore losers. Of course, these 2 champions are totally different. But Armstrong was faced with all the top team leaders using performance-enhancing products, all of them.

[@westsidewheelmen]

Blather!

[@TheCyclesport]

@@westsidewheelmen bicycle blasphemy!!!!

[@katiebee266]

Well I've news for you, greg was 100% clean, if you k ow the PDM story you would know this

[@TheCyclesport]

@katiebee266 yes!!!

[@JayB.USMC.]

Yeah I wanted to like Greg but he seems bitter and jealous of Armstrong. And I guarantee he was performance enhancing drugs in his time as well.

[@markrskinner]

Bang on. Yet there are people who still ar$e lick LA.

[@gmen1305]

For someone who "can't watch" cycling and doesn't have anything to say about it - you sure have a lot to say about something you can't watch - in the end only a doper knows another doper right Greg :)

[@williamhattaway372]

Huh?

[@ReneRGauthier]

Stupid comment . Greg is a true encyclopedia of knowledge. Maybe the contents of this interview is too … sophisticated for some viewers ….

[@gmen1305]

@@ReneRGauthier - lol, so tell me, how does that kool-aid your drinking taste? In Greg's eyes, nobody will every be as good as he was - that's a narcissist view of oneself.

[@hermixtonen]

@@gmen1305Greg has not said anything of the kind. And there is no evidence of him being a doper . And when he said he couldn’t watch cycling , he was referring to a specific time period (2001). At no time did he say he still does not watch it , and at no time did he say he has nothing to say. He had nothing to say , to reporters, at a specific time in the past . That does not mean he currently has nothing to say.

[@OmahaSand]

So .. An athlete whose worked at the US Olympic Center and the best University Performance Labs in the US .. Isn't going to understand what is scientifically/physiologically possible ? Understanding what is physiologically possible is how you measure your push towards top performance. "Only a doper knows another doper" and "everybody's doing it" .. are words typically used by those who've justified their own drug use.

[@emmeayoub]

Wow, i had no idea they were Gay

[@Murda2615]

1. I don’t bet he was clean during his time. 2. He seems bitter and jealous

[@OmahaSand]

Sounds like you need a crooked guy/dirty on PED"s ..ruining the sport you gave your life to.. To come after your livlihood/business.. so you can gain some emotional perspective.

[@chasejiannalone8763]

Trek sucks. Lemond rules

[@rman5815]

Lance should be un JAIL for good

[@ChromeLuxx]

LeMond did exactly the same as Armstrong, but knows there is no test to prove otherwise. LeMond was absolutely not the only clean rider winning a whole field of dirty riders…total BS! He is simply bitter Armstrong did it better.

[@darrellcriswell9919]

In Lemond's day most of the drugs were used in the classic races, not the longer races, it was before the day of the super drugs like EPO.

[@E23-xi4ux]

Greg couldn't take being unseated as the best American cyclist of all time and threw a tantrum over it. Doping allegations were just a pretext - Greg doped but couldn't set aside his ego.

[@hawlikd]

Boy, both these guys did not age well.

[@Translucent6000]

Greg did drugs too

[@quantumdecoherence1289]

I have nothing but respect for Greg but in this interview, he comes across as very bitter and defensive, as if he's still carrying the burden of saving all of professional cycling. It was particularly disturbing to hear him accuse other riders with no evidence at all of mechanical cheating.

[@spikesmundranos3308]

He doesn’t come across as ‘very bitter’ to me, but rather as honest and very clear in his recollections of his experiences. For the most part it seems to me that Greg Lemond’s integrity has always been in tact.

[@stenovitz]

Try and watch the full interview. I did myself just a few hours after it was uploaded while on vacation at Sicily and dropped my morning diving together with my daughter, just couldn't leave watching. Greg is neither bitter nor dillusional. Just very honest all the way through the +90 mins interview of which to me felt going too fast before suddenly over, just absorbing. Me as a Dane visiting Le Tour as a spectator first time in 1986 as a 14 yo teen witnessing him a moment chatting with people and even so lucky having just few words chat (sorry to Greg, for me being such a dork at the moment, but just got blown away, plus my English was bad, besides didn't knew what to say), my first real life impression was a humble and very honest man. And his honest personality just adds to the positive perspective. He is also very honest speaking about the delicate situation at La Vie Claire with Bernard Tapie, almost excusing Bernard Hinault for the gross inside team conflict and especially his description of his feelings by the time tells me about a humble man, not faking, just real deal and modest explaining his POV and observations. Go hear/see the full interview! 🙂 Cheers from Denmark

[@creativity.studio4967]

When you watch just clips or select segments of the original podcast, you aren't going to get the correct picture. There's no way he's bitter or resentful at all and if you were as "respectful" as you claim to be, you wouldn't say it that way. He's just honest and realistic!

[@berndtherrenvolk1951]

I echo the other respondents (to your comment). Watch the entire LeMond video with this podcaster. He's noit like that at all.

[@gdkopinionator4356]

Greg talks about numbers, how they are derived, and how they compare. He does not call anyone "a cheater" or otherwise. He lets the numbers speak for themselves. What people often have difficulty with, is that the numbers often paint a very damning picture.

[@taylordoose7977]

Is it fair if a cyclist is born with vo2 max of 95 and a another with only 72? There is no significant skill in cycling. It boils down to Whoever has the best heart lungs for their body weight will win using peds makes all things equal Given all human physiologic factor equal then the Will to win is the only non genetic difference Lance straight 7 tdf proves he is the goat of cycling. Lance is the the greatest endurance athlete ever

[@williamhattaway372]

Huh?

[@cornpopwasabaddude4729]

I have been no longer LeMond's fan for a while since I have learned that he is an extremely has been an extremely jealous rider.

[@robertbankers8003]

Lamond is a dope

[@MAXCAP-p3b]

A man of absolute integrity and the best cyclist of all time. The only rider who won the modern TDF clean.

[@Gary-le7dz]

Absolute bollocks …. Anyone pre 2010 was doping

[@Mr.JoeBangles]

Let's not mince words. Lance Armstrong meets the clinical definition of a sociopath.

[@FSEVENMAN]

Wow still bitter after all these years what a Shame, let's not forget Armstrong got where he was in cycling without drugs long before US postal he was an amazing natural talent and every one of us racing at the time knew it. So it's really sad to see Greg being so bitter. Again it wasn't just Lance doping it was the era you can't take anything away from those guys they all did it and Lance was the best, and without the drugs Lance was still the best get over it.😊

[@RypienGT]

Greg doesn't seem bitter. Just truthful. A cheat is a cheat. People who support them are cuckolds.