A350 vs 787 - American Airlines Fleet Decision

[@markwils5042]

To be clear US Airways bought AA out of bankruptcy with the backing of debtors and employees. AA management fought against, but ultimately lost. US Airways chose to keep the iconic American Airlines name.

[@BG-pd1nk]

Everybody seems to forget or avoid admitting this.

[@johniii8147]

AA put themselves in this position waiting far too long to go BK so they were out of options at that point. It was also poorly handled in terms of eliminating debt and not zeroing out the stock that happens in almost every other BK. It was all a ploy by Parker to get support for the deal. Hasn't benefited the new AA well on a new start. But at least Parker is now gone. They finally wised up and kicked him out.

[@DChatburn1]

And that was also the case with America West Airlines who absorbed USAir. Because of USAir's much larger international operation, they chose to keep the USAir name and abandon America West. So actually, American Airlines is a rebrand of America West.

[@markwils5042]

@@DChatburn1 Technically that is true. Also Scott Kirby current CEO of United was part of the same America West team that took over AA which included Doug Parker.

[@johniii8147]

@@DChatburn1 I wouldn't go as far to say AA is rebrand of America West. All of the big 3 are a combination of the original brand and other carriers they merged with over the years.

[@aeroman5239]

American 787-8s replace their 767-300ERs, A330-200s, and A330-300s, which eliminates two pilot pools, and the 787 compliments the pilot training for their 777-200ER/-300ERs. With additional 787-9s coming in CY2024, will American finally order some 787-10s, especially with the higher gross weight version becoming available?

[@MichaelBSteeleAviation]

I believe at some point when the 772’s that are getting up there in age start leaving in big numbers the 787-10 will eventually come on board. While I would love to see it I don’t see them buying 777x’s considering their 77W’s are relatively young.

[@davidsilver4339]

787-10 definitely will make sense on American's more robust routes both transatlantic and transcontinental. I think it will take the place of most 777-200's, especially when the HGW version is released, but I don't see a 777x order from American or United until later in the decade. And with Delta and their very different route assignments, the A350 are a good plane, if not maybe a bit more than they need. The A330neo is excellent for Delta; they lack much in terms of long haul compared to United or American.

[@aeroman5239]

@@davidsilver4339 UAL 777-300ERs are fairly new, so they can take their time ordering 777-9s, likely around 2028-30 when their earliest delivery -300ERs are 12 years old.

[@that-plane-guy]

I think Boeing also will shelf the 777-8X and probably go for a 777-10X like Airbus with the 1000

[@frankiexv4533]

The -8 will be their large cargo plane to replace 747 freighters. The 777-10 would really be cool and a great hub to hub airplane replacement for the 747/A380 but Boeing would need to find a way to not lose range.

[@that-plane-guy]

@@frankiexv4533 Yes pretty sure they will make it a freighter only.

[@camalio97]

@aaravjain3691 I highly doubt they will do that. The 8F is based on the 8x and the -8 has capabilities that the -9 or proposed -10 doesn't have. Also, Boeing would never get rid of the -8 because then they will have no plane to compete with the A350-1000. The -8 will have higher capacity and range compared to the -1000 variant. Many carriers in the Middle East and Asia will seek out the capabilities of the -8 to fly to far away destinations. Plus the -8 will be the perfect aircraft for airlines who want a high capacity plane capable of fitting 350-400 passengers, but do not want the size of the -9. When carriers in the west like Air Canada, American and United 777W start to get older and need replacing I can see them leaning towards the -8 rather the -9, but that's just me speculating, because the -9 can fit in any of their operations as well.

[@johniii8147]

So far Boeing is saying the 777-10 isn't in cards.

[@mwat22]

It will be poor long haul aircraft due to range but for Medium high capacity routes would be perfect

[@beagle7622]

Find the series about the build of the Boeing 777 “ 21st Century Jet”. Excellent stuff about 7 hours long in total. The 1st hour showed the hoops United Airlines put Boeing through before they ordered the Boeing 777. The series was made in the early 90’s & is really worth watching.

[@Dan.d649]

Though AA liked the A350, they couldn't keep that order, because they were already committed to the Boeing 787-9s which are amazing airplanes. They wanted to simplify to two wide-body type airplanes in the existing fleet. The 777-200ER, rather aging now, might need a replacement soon. The 777-300ER and the 787 have made "waves at American Airlines, and continue to do so. However, you can't rule out the A350 with AA, as maybe, the type could be a focus later in their operations. Anything can happen.

[@johniii8147]

AA won't be getting the 350. They have gone all in on the 787. With the upcoming 787-10 HGW version, they already have a prefect replacement for the 200ER available. They are more focused on the narrow body front now. They are planning to order up to 200 more MAX/NEO planes

[@Dan.d649]

​@@johniii8147I didn't know about the possible 787-10IGW situation at American. This airplane would be the perfect fit for the airline, along with their other existing orders.

[@johniii8147]

@@Dan.d649 They haven't ordered as of yet, but it will be the obvious choice once they order the next batch of widebodies. They still have 30 -787-9s to be delivered starting next year.

[@bullwinklejmoos]

From the mouth of one of the check airman involved in the 350 program. The 22 aircraft ordered by USairways were sufficient for them. Remember, they were to replace the 330s. Also USairways got the aircraft on the cheap. When AA and USairways merged, the new AA determined that 22 aircraft were not sufficient for the new airline and therefore needed more. Airbus was approached but they would not give the discount. The test is history.

[@johniii8147]

@@bullwinklejmoos Doubt it came down to discounts. A checkman airman would have not clue on the contract terms. What's far more likely is the Airbus contract had a change of ownership clause in the 350 contract (i've helped negotiate those) that allowed them to cancel. USAirways had been looking to merge for years so pretty sure that was in the contract. The larger merged AA decided the 787 was a better fit for their network. The 787 was just more flexible for AA given the full range of sizes and the 350 was too large for most of the routes.

[@anthonyevans6796]

Even though I prefer the 350, I think both American and United have made excellent business decisions by moving forward with the 787

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

as a turbine engine technician, give me a bleedless design any day - the a350 failed in this regard

[@Dan.d649]

@@ghostrider-be9ek The 787 is the perfect airplane for both AA, and UA. It has stood really well on the existing routes both of these airlines were seeking it for.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@Dan.d649 great example of a bot response, literally nothing to do with what I said

[@steveb7429]

Agreed

[@johnchristmas7522]

Its about price!

[@MichaelBSteeleAviation]

For me I prefer Boeing wide-bodies but for narrow bodies I prefer Airbus

[@kennedymatthew25]

I’m the same!

[@crashlander5555]

Yeah!

[@johniii8147]

Just really depends on how an airline configures and aircraft for me.

[@OP38074]

I love ur videos mate I've been watching em for about 4 yrs I originally started watching the original Dj's Aviation channel in 2019 and now Globe trotting. And btw if ur wondering I'm Aussie.

[@crashlander5555]

People still don't get it after years. It's 787 vs A330, and 777 vs A350. Not 787 vs A350...

[@johniii8147]

The 787 and 350 do compete in a lot of cases. Esp with the 787-10 and upcoming HGW version.

[@dalydegagne1839]

@crashlander5555 You're right, as has been pointed out many times.

[@crashlander5555]

@@johniii8147 yep there’s overlapping, true, but at the core they don’t go against each other

[@jpazinho]

A better away of explaining.this to Boeing fan boys is - the 787 and the a350 overlap true...the same way the 787 and 777 overalp

[@johnchristmas7522]

It ALL depends on the Airline and their routes.

[@sdstang01]

You can’t compare the A350 to just the 787. The Airbus was engineered to compete directly with the 777 and 787 alike.

[@eduardodaquiljr9637]

787 and 777x are new generation aircraft having been fitted with air stream shock absorbing wing design.The lift are enhanced smoothly by flexing if excessive air stream pressure is encountered this maneuverability is high performance.

[@peteorengo5888]

After 23 flying the narrow body Airbus, I now fly the 787 at American. It is a fantastic airplane and a great fit for the operation. However, AA did not get enough airplanes to replace the retirement of 767/757s. We could use more -9s and even some -10s as we do not have enough airplanes to restore our international network to pre-Covid levels. I got to see the A350 simulator when we had them in Dallas and was looking forward to it’s arrival but, sticking with the 787 makes sense from a fleet simplification point of view. It has to be said that AA dodged a bullet by selecting the GenX engine fir the 787. And that is the real real reason for having multiple fleets.

[@DeltaFish11]

I don't think fleet commonality was the only driving factor. Straight up i think Boeing give AA a deal where they couldn't walk away from it. Its funny today PHL and CLT can use the a350 if they had keep the a330. Because CLT is an all b772 pilot pool and PHL has a few b789 aircraft. At one point PHL as also a b772 pilot base for very short period

[@michaelosgood9876]

This is old news. American announced these plans in the mid 2010s, to as you've told us 8 years later, streamline their widebody operations. United are doing the same with the 787, and Delta, the world's most successful airline over the longest time period, prefer to operate Airbus widebodies, for the exact same reason- streamlining.

[@skylineXpert]

I felt Singapores a350-900 was more spacious than Air NZs 787-9. my personal opinion is the 787 has a better pressurization system but the a350 has more room...

[@mysterigx_]

They should definitely just do all 787 for wide body operations.

[@YamiPheonix531]

Having one airplane model to serve your wide body haul market/passengers is a smart business move to save on supply chain logistics, pilot training, and maintenance turnover. But this also leaves American Airlines quite vulnerable to any problems/defects the Boeing 787 Dreamliner has…and boy does the 787 Dreamliner have far too many manufacturing problems/defects that can cause all 787 Dreamliners to be grounded. This can paralyze American Airlines wide body haul operations if it does not invest more in maintenance of their 787 Dreamliners from breaking down. Variety is the spice of life…airplanes included.

[@johnchristmas7522]

American Airlines usually go American aircraft, thats a nice thing BUT in the real world Airlines buy what suits them, squeeze in 10 abreast or pretend your going to the opposition to screw on price. The original concept of the manufacturer goes out the window the minute the airline is involved mostly to the detriment of the passengers. As Airbus found out when trying to give passengers more space- have just announce a 10 abreast A350- there you go.

[@boatlover1875]

Without getting too complicated, America West acquired both US Airways and American Airlines while keeping the same legacy names for goodwill purposes. Doug Parker, the CEO at America West prior to both mergers eventually became the CEO of American in the end. Until the American Merger, USAirways aircraft used the America West call sign "cactus."

[@thyip6167]

I'd like to see the Airbus A330neos, A350s, Boeing 777Xs, and 787-10s in the American Airlines livery to boost its long-haul network.

[@johniii8147]

That wouldn't make any sense.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Airlines dont care about passengers! why else would you ask for a 10 abreast A350?

[@thyip6167]

@@johnchristmas7522 No, I'm asking about bringing back the 8 abreast Economy Class in a 2-4-2 configuration! The 9 abreast Economy Class in a 3-3-3 configuration and the 10 abreast Economy Class in a 3-4-3 configuration is cramped and could be difficult to access the aisle!

[@themindset3329]

Might that have anything to do with American Airlines being American, Boeing being American, and Airbus being Boeing's strongest competitor (and of course, non-American)?

[@M.Đ-z4u]

of course

[@chriscrossinthrulife6415]

If AA is smart, they will work they 350 threat to their advantage. Would love to see the 777X at AA. Many may argue they dont need an airplane that big but I disagree. Plus, the argument is always AA doesnt have enough premium seats. With the 777-300 and 787-9 going to 52 BC seats in the future, this would fit the bill. Now if they would staff them adequately and improve the soft product.

[@Wheninflight]

With their aging -200 & -300ER fleets, a 787-10ER could replace the -200ER’s. For now without a 10ER, I think an order for the A350’s would be a more optimal replacement the -900 and -1000 being closer in capacity and range the the -200ER and -300ER’s.

[@drewcorcoran544]

The 300ERs aren't that old. They were fist delivered around 2013.

[@pascaldinichert1035]

How will they replace their 47 772 and 20 773? And the 130 A319? The best fit would imo be 779; A350-9; 787-10 and A220-300

[@MichaelBSteeleAviation]

I can see them going with the 787-10 for the 772 replacement’s. The 77W’s are still relatively young. I would love to see an AA 777x order but I don’t think that will happen.

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

Singapore 🇸🇬 Airlines is a Good example of operations of Both Airbus and Boeing Aircraft with the Giant Airbus A380s

[@golf94srm]

As always you only choose subjects that glory Boeing planes, but at the end both Airbus and Boeing have great products not playing in the same yard!

[@dalydegagne1839]

@golf94srm That's funny, because for a long time DJ was accused of being anti-Boeing and pro-Airbus. A lot of these accusations over time of his favouring one or the other come from fan boys who often lack objectivity. Your own statement that "as always you only choose subjects that glory Boeing planes" is an absurd generalization. I do agree with you that "at the end both Airbus and Boeing have great products..."

[@F85M]

Phew… TGoodness! Now they need to focus on their product and service.

[@terencereeder9830]

American are currently negotiating a narrowbody order ,most likely a split between 320neo/Max

[@Blank00]

I bet all they'll order from Airbus will be the A321N/LR/XLR, but MAX for everything smaller than an A321

[@johniii8147]

@@Blank00 That's the likely outcome. The have a large fleet of both already. They are looking to replace older 737's that are now going on 24 years old from the first batch they received and the old 320s that came over from the merger.

[@terencereeder9830]

@@johniii8147 Will they go for A220-300 to replace Large number of A319.?

[@johniii8147]

@@terencereeder9830 The 220 does not seem on their list. Anything is possible but doesn't seem likely. They nor UA are that interested in the 220. That's more a DL thing.

[@johnchristmas7522]

The max will be nice and cheap-A320 is booked solid. So it will be the max

[@expressmylife]

The problem is aa just has fleet from an a321 180 seats or so to a 787 250 some seats in fleet size there isn't a middle Ground

[@Tpr_1808]

This leaves me wondering what United will do with its a350 order. Is it deferring to have more time to prepare in terms of crew and potential scheduling or will it cancel and use simplicity as a reason

[@johniii8147]

It will eventually be canceled. Airbus hates to take a major order off it's books so they let them keep pushing it back. Current schedule has first delivery 20 years after the original order. Not gonna happen at this point.

[@outofcontrol6386]

@@johniii8147 Not sure it's 'Airbus hates to take a major order off it's books', but it could be due to the contract terms. Airbus won't want to cancel it, but would prefer for AA to cancel it. There will likely be some clause in the contract that means AA loses some money if it cancels. Similar to how if you put down a deposit on something, but don't take it, you lose your deposit.

[@SRT-fv6wr]

​@@johniii8147Exactly ... You listening AB. .. Another one like the Iran Air order comes to mind as well !!

[@johniii8147]

@@outofcontrol6386 They have a long history of not taking orders off the books that will never get delivered. And this was about UA not AA. All of AA's orders are canceled on the 350. I would expect for UA any cancellation penalties have already been wiped away the the order for UA's 120 321NEO orders. They probably didn't put down much anyway given it was a new program at the time they were looking for orders from in the US.

[@is500fsport5]

It’ll be cancelled altogether eventually. United will always stick with Boeing in terms of their widebody fleet.

[@davidcarter4247]

Minimising the different types of aircraft in the fleet is sound but why did American buy a modest number of 737MAX when it has such spectacularly large fleet from the A320 family. A financial deal simply too good to ignore? In the A350/787 battle, frequency is more important than capacity to US operators. The production models of the A350 were too big, better sized to be 777-300ER replacements. AA is about to refit its 777-300 fleet, so their replacement has to be some some time away. Boeing has just announced a 787-10 with more range, thanks to an increased MTOW, aimed at trans-Pacific carriers seeking more capacity on routes presently flown by 787-9s. LAX-SYD is AA's longest sector.

[@ZBGregory]

If the A350 has more counter space in the forward galley and passengers don't have to walk through it to get to the lavatory, I'd rather see that aircraft in the fleet. That tiny galley with a small and unusable counter make it really hard to complete a Premium meal service. But if the A350 has the small SELL ovens, I take that all back. We call it the "Barbie oven". The old Boeing ovens were very user friendly. Made meals very easy to serve. You would just pull the shelf out of the oven and put it in the cart. That's it! The SELL ovens are half the size and take up more space that the old ovens and you have to move every meal 1 at a time.

[@johnchristmas7522]

As hard as Airbus has tried to increase passenger comfort, it ALWAYS comes down to the Airline and how they demand the interior to be. What you see and feel in ANY aircraft is the result of the Airlines choices NOT the manufacturer.

[@expressmylife]

Aa needs larger aircraft like 777x ulr so they can do south Africa.

[@davidsilver4339]

It's important to understand the difference between the legacy USA carriers...where they fly and their structure. The 787 is a superior choice for it's cost effectiveness and flexibility. I think the A350 will have a bit more difficult time because it's neither as flexible as a 787 nor does it have the capacity of the 777x.

[@Stvescr]

Neither as flexible or capacity of 777x? Wrong on both points.

[@expressmylife]

"America west Airlines" not American west.

[@StpBks]

The A350 fits between the 787 and 777. It is hard to make an apples to apples comparison.

[@Tpr_1808]

Well this could also be because AA could easily do sweet deals in discounts with Boeing. Simplicity could more or less be an excuse because their narrowbodies are a mix and the a350 wouldn't be their first Airbus widebody. There are a330s and their crew could easily transition to a neo or an a350

[@johniii8147]

Commonality doesn't really apply here. AA prior merger had only operated the A300 retired quite a few years quite few years prior to the merger. They 300 and 350 also have very little commonalty given the age gap in development. The 330s acquired during the merger were a small fleet with AA already having far more 787's on order. The 787 was the obvious choice.

[@John-nc4bl]

GE also makes better engines than Rolls Royce.

[@Tomcatters]

Well i think United and American should go with B777x and give a new life for the Boeing project.

[@johniii8147]

They don't need a plane that large in most cases.

[@is500fsport5]

It’s very likely to happen eventually down the years. Both carriers ordered the 777-300ER not too long ago. So they’re still very young and aren’t in a hurry to upgrade or replace them yet.

[@johniii8147]

@@is500fsport5 Agreed their current 300ERs are relatively new for both of them. Wouldn't really say very likely quite yet. Possible sure, both both with their multi hubs have limited need for such a large aircraft. Probably 10 years down the line if either of them does order depending on how the 777-9 goes.

[@is500fsport5]

@@johniii8147Yes I do agree, but I’m quite positive United will order the 777-8 or 9 several years later. They’ve a very big Asian and Europe market that are being flown with a 777-300ER. In fact even popular domestic routes like EWR and HNL flights, some of the flights are operated with a 777-300ER. So it’s safe to bet United will need a 777-8 or 9 in the near future to fulfill their routes. As for American Airlines, I’m not so sure since their long haul international market isn’t as competitive as United’s long haul network.

[@4evertrue830]

Simplify their fleet? Nah, their decision was based on patriotism not Simplifing their fleet at all. Airbus Aircrafts have far more similarities in it's on board avionics, which helps pilots a lot when they fly these planes. That is what 'simplify airline fleet' means.

[@christopherkozal7987]

Man, there are so many airlines execs in here 😂 i

[@christodang]

Considering AA's narrowbody fleet is over 50% Airbuses I'm not sure how this is relevant

[@crazylife726]

Classic example of an Airbus fan who refuses to accept reality

[@richardvolk3952]

I would like to fly the A350. I think Qantas made the right choice.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Cant see ANY American airline giving up that much space for extra long haul like Qantas has.More likely to make it 10 abreast!!

[@mgurin9]

Recently flew both aircraft, from a passenger perspective the 787 is the more comfortable product.

[@johniii8147]

That just all depends on airline and how they configure it.

[@camalio97]

An aircraft comfort is more down to the individual airline rather than the aircraft manufacturer.

[@mgurin9]

@@johniii8147 correct about configuration etc, should have been more clear. I am referring to being substantially more refreshed and comfortable in terms of air pressure and humidity levels.

[@mgurin9]

@@camalio97 correct about configuration etc, should have been more clear. I am referring to being substantially more refreshed and comfortable in terms of air pressure and humidity levels.

[@johniii8147]

@@mgurin9 The 350 and 787 have essentially the same airpressue. Both were designed to do that.

[@alffred4021]

There‘s enough Place for Booth of them.

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

The Rival Delta Airlines is Transition to All Airbus fleet including the Airbus of

[@nelsongiraldi7363]

I’ve flown in both the Dreamliner an the A350 across the Pacific several times and hands down I prefer the 787.

[@Wongwanchungwongjumbo]

Singapore 🇸🇬 Changi International Airport Can easily handle any Airlines Aircraft types.

[@bigkevinpetrona]

Who cares so can jfk,lhr and pek.

[@amardave84]

A350!

[@Clearly_Sam]

haha at the time of when I finished watching the likes were at 777 ima wait for 787 lol

[@SiggiTh]

I've given this channel a chance but I'll be seeking other channels that are more capable in providing a neutral perspective and coverage. I wish you all the best.

[@TheHatManCole]

Sounds like American just didn't want to convert to metric and decided to stay with imperial

[@bartofilms]

787 but preferably built in WA…

[@terencereeder9830]

787 & 350 not in same segment, 787 fits where 767 & A330 are ,where as A350 is currently blowing old 777's out of the water.

[@johniii8147]

Some times indeed they are in the same segment. Especially when you move up the 787-10 and forth coming HGW version that further increases range. And wouldn't say agree the 350 is blowing the 777 out of the water. Boeing has lot more orders coming in for the 787 than Airbus does for the 350

[@terencereeder9830]

@@johniii8147 they could increase range of 787-10 but the cost will be payload .

[@johniii8147]

@@terencereeder9830 Not necessarily. Like the 350 ULR they are finding they can tank more fuel with changes to the fuel system. The 787-10 has already shown in current form it had better range than expected. UA flies it to Asia from as far as Chicago.

[@is500fsport5]

The a350 isn’t blowing old 777’s out of the water at all. The 777 is still doing better than the a350 is doing

[@terencereeder9830]

@is500fsport5 777 only seems to be able to sell freighters these days.

[@andrewdouglasingram]

More small planes at American (and other airlines) reduces the supply of premium seats allowing airlines to hugely increase the fares for these seats. For example, the business class fare from New York to Sydney has almost doubled from pre-pandemic. And while I can understand abandoning A380s and 747s, the A350 and 787 are simply too small. I like the 777X,, which has a lot more premium seats (and a better premium economy), to return premium fares to a reasonable level, let's say $8,000 New York to Sydney. Anyway, my two cents.

[@thomas-xj1hs]

The A350 is a much superior plane, period.

[@steveb7429]

Nope

[@thomas-xj1hs]

It's a poor decision to go for the less technically advanced plane and indeed passenger comfort, but understandable from an insualr US perspective.@@steveb7429

[@marcoducceschi3849]

American got rid of A350 for same reason that Delta got rid of B787 to have less types of aircraft

[@harstoft]

Problem is that also put you in a weaker negotiating position for orders. Why would Boeing/Airbus give you as big of a discount if you’re tied to them?

[@johniii8147]

@@harstoft You negotiate that upfront with a large order and plenty of options with a locked in price.

[@expressmylife]

787 is smaller than the 777

[@johniii8147]

Depends on which models of each family you're comparing. The 787-10 is right at the same capacity of the 777-200ER which AA has a large fleet of that are starting to age out in the next few years.

[@nurrizadjatmiko21]

I think the Boeing 787 is perfect for American Airlines

[@edluv84]

i love this. i love driving past the flight line here and see those sexy 787's in AA color scheme.

[@randybentley2633]

With United & Delta, Airbus can sell to them all they want, but for AA to stay named AA, it would behoove them to buy what their name proclaims.

[@johniii8147]

That's nonsense. They already have a very large airbus fleet. One of the largest in the world.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Nice thought and wishful thinking, didn't stop more than half of America companies rushing to set up in China put thousands of Americans out of work. No, I'm more likely to think it was cost. AA know Boeing are in trouble, so it makes sense to screw them hard on price. Any future aircraft for AA will be bought on that premise.

[@stradivarioushardhiantz5179]

A350-1000

[@michaelsheargold]

This interesting thing for me is A350 is more a B777 comparable aircraft with more capabilities. I think it’s all about an airline’s missions and growth plans. For me A350 wins in so many ways. But they are both great aircraft.

[@ScrillaTMU]

American Airlines didn’t absorb US airways. US airways absorbed American Airlines and decided the new company should be American Airlines. All US airways leadership and management continued with their same roles while all of American Airlines leadership and management were ousted. But the same can be said for US airways. With its merger with America west. It seemed as if US airways absorbed America west. No, it was the other way around and America west felt that the new company should be named US airways. So in reality, America west has done this twice. Once with US airways, and then again with American Airlines. That would actually be a good video idea. How a small airline started in the 80s became the most known and biggest airline in the world through powerful business moves.

[@claudioliviopetrisdesteinh1450]

AMERICAN did not absorb usairways. It was the other way around.

[@expressmylife]

Your WRONG AND COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG. EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST. IT WAS AN EQUAL MERGER PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT WAS INCORPORATED IN LAA'S BANKRUPTCY PLAN TO EMRGE LAA COULD HAVE EMERGED ON THEIR OWN AND THEY SHOULD HAVE US AIRWAYS LUS DROVE AA INTO THE GROUND.

[@neilpountney9414]

I think we will be seeing this more frequently in the future . Airlines will stay with one supplier. American Airlines (Not just AA) will be pressured more and more as time goes by to buy Boeing Aircraft and not Airbus. Likewise European Airlines will pushed towards Airbus.

[@Sacto1654]

I agree. That's why if Boeing does offer a 787-10ER with a range of 7,100 nautical miles, United and American would line up immediately to buy at least 25 planes each.

[@bret9741]

I’m stunned that Boeing didn’t build a 757 737 replacement based on the 787 knowledge base.

[@johniii8147]

Why would you be stunned at this point? They looked at it but the business case just wasn't there. To expensive to develop, composites can't reach the volume of production needed etc. The aircraft would also be more expensive in price and airlines didn't like that nor the time frame they would have to wait.

[@bret9741]

@@johniii8147 because they lost many sales for short sightedness. My airline stated it would have ordered many new 757 had Boeing update. Now we’re slowly replacing 757 with A321XLR and the Vast majority of our narrow body are Airbus. It’s not just my airline but most around the world. Yes. It was short sighted and foolish

[@johniii8147]

@@bret9741 Time to move on from the 757 it never sold well and expensive to make for Boeing. It's only sold 1000 units in 30 years of sales. The market ended up being with the 737/320 series. Sounds like you're with DL.

[@bret9741]

The 75’was very successful and would have been more so had Boeing re-winged and engined it. But even with the shut down, they should have been designing a replacement. A narrow body with a 3x3 seating just a little larger than the A-320 in width made of composite based on the 787 knowledge would have been a 737 and 757 replacement. Something more comfortable and more efficient than the A-320 would have been a huge success. Then Boeing should have teamed with Canadair on the C series for the smaller mainline platform. I want Boeing to be successful but they don’t have the leadership or culture to pull off cutting edge and beautiful aircraft anymore. In 5-10 years they will be out of the fighter aircraft market. The F-18 and most likely the F-15 will be gone. They don’t seem capable of even making a 767 a successful tanker without massive losses. So now the are resting their future on 737’s, 787’s and 777x. That it…. 747 gone.. 757 gone, 767 gone except cargo. Airbus sees a void and fills it. Boeing sees voids and says… we really don’t want to compete in entire segments of aircraft! It’s pretty damned embarrassing that Boeings President is happily positioned to shrink and maybe offer something new in 10-15 years.

[@johniii8147]

@@bret9741 No it wasn't "very" successful. As pointed out it only sold 1000 units in the 30 years it was sold. It really only did well in North America/US. Boeing did in fact look at alternatives, but the business case just wasn't there. They first tried with a 737/757 replacement in the staring around 2008 or so but carriers were not willing to wait or pay for an all new design for what have been a fairly marginal improvement vs just putting new engines on the existing 737/320 series aircraft. Then later in the decade they were looking at middle of market aircraft and then market just wasn't large enough to justify the billions it would have taken to develop. Keep in mind, the 321XLR has sold a total 550 unit and is uncontested in the segment. Split that segment with a competitor, it's simply not large enough to justify a new program. Boeing wasn't wrong about that part of the market. Forecasts are one thing they tend to get right.

[@johnstarmer4354]

From a personal point of view i do not like Boeing aircraft the 747 Was great everything else has been rubbish

[@whootv2623]

They had to choose the 787 for political reasons so simple is that. American manufacturer. Easy.

[@johniii8147]

That's not how it went. US airlines don't really think that way when it comes to aircraft orders. AA has a very large airbus narrow body fleet, DL has gone primarily Airbus, United has a large 321 order in place, Spirit, JetBlue and Frontier have gone all Airbus.

[@jimjefftube]

American Airlines and United Airlines will not be purchasing Airbus A350 as they both understand their customers prefer Boeing Aircraft.

[@johniii8147]

LOL has nothing to do with their decision making. They go with the best deal and the aircraft that meets their fleet needs

[@jimjefftube]

@@johniii8147 Actually John it does factor in to which planes they fly. Large corporations that get most of their business know the value of purchasing local products and "I'm not going it's its not Boeing". Not to mention the saving with commonality in training flight crew.

[@johniii8147]

@@jimjefftube It's really not in the decision making process to any large degree for US airlines. Trust me on that one. Airbus wouldn't have such a large US market share in the narrow body market in particular if it did. United, American and DL have very large Airbus fleets with plenty more on order. Really only Alaska and Southwest are all Boeing in the US. Southwest didn't really have a choice since they prioritize fleet commonality for their operations since they swap out aircraft so much.

[@tomojagooriginal622]

@@johniii8147and also there are US carriers that exclusively (or almost ) fly airbus planes for example Frontier, Spirit or JetBlue

[@tjmtamas7233]

NO A350 for AA! They made the right decision!

[@larryhou968]

Not to many small plane bigger please

[@alalfred3474]

Airline pilot unions and its requests will suffocate US airlines in future competitions against foreign airlines. Rather than focusing on what customers want, the airlines are focusing on pilots and unions. Was never impressed by AA and its service. Give credits to its management for not going through bankruptcy to get relief.

[@johniii8147]

AA did go bankrupt. They actually waited to long to do it and were in very weak position when they did.

[@alalfred3474]

@@johniii8147 You are correct. AA filed for Chapter 11 in 2011. Thank you for the correction.

[@johniii8147]

It was inevitable they were going to file BK. It had been coming for years. Should have done it sooner like UA and DL. They bled themselves dry holding out and had to discontinue a lot of routes since bleeding bash

[@CaptVirtual]

... and it is "AMERICAN" airlines

[@dougsz28]

Good for AA. Keep the fleet American, for simplicity its a no brainer. Policity its a no brainer. Buy American, fly american!

[@rogerhowell6230]

Glad to hear an American airline flies American-made planes.

[@johniii8147]

Half the plane isn't made in the US. The Boeing plants are final assembly.

[@pvillehick67]

@@johniii8147 Still an American company.

[@johniii8147]

@@pvillehick67 Doesn't really matter when it comes to getting the right aircraft for a carrier. The entire business id global and US carriers in particular don't really care. Politics come much more into play with overseas orders to get US backing. IE Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, etc. I've been in many meetings in the industry now for 25 years about aircraft fleet decisions and and loyalty to Boeing in the US doesn't really come up. It's all about the deal, delivery schedule, aircraft performance etc.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Its a fallacy. modern day aircraft are made all over the world, nationality doesn't come into it. Spirit makes components for both Airbus and Boeing, most of the parts come from countries world wide for both manufacturers. It just comes down to where they put the office. i.e as a Brit I bought the famous Kenwood mixer and then other Kenwood products, only to find that the mixer was still made in the USA the rest-China.

[@antoniosteede1242]

A350 they need to order

[@armandoserrano3508]

This video is getting to old don't you think this battle boeing lost long time ago in every ways you guys want the 737 if onother country was the one who make the plane now would be in ground for ever now but we no why is not and the only thing they care is money because they know they're losing power arond the word but that is something else if you something about planes in front of the page or pictures you seen on y airbus the super 380 and allways the triple BBB better best and beautiful 350 boeing has a tripon 777 trying to compit with a 350 that is now the best plane in the word