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[@Hossak]

I do a tonne of stairs at my work on a daily basis (processing plant) and have found that the stronger I get, the more stairs I can power up without feeling the need to rest. Great question and discussion!

[@karlpk3907]

Yep. See my comment above.

[@danielbuege1]

No one says "I lost because I was too strong."

[@meruemo776]

Having too much bicep muscle mass can negatively affect olympic weightlifting performance. There are rare circumstances where too much muscle is bad but they are very rare

[@danielbuege1]

@@meruemo776 how

[@meruemo776]

@@danielbuege1 in the rack position where the bar is resting on your shoulders and the elbows are very high, some people cant get into this position. I watched many professional weightlifters talk about powerlifters attempting to transition. They mostly talked about enhanced lifters like larry wheels who have massive biceps. No natural can get arms big enough that it hinders weightlifting

[@danielbuege1]

@@meruemo776 so drugs then

[@kw12784]

@@meruemo776 this is also "starting strength" not "pinnacle of elite level sport strength"

[@jwgreene1984]

Two people have to move move furniture to their second floor apartment. One squats 95x5x3 and the other 405. Neither run. Who’s going to be gassed at the end?

[@treasurethetime2463]

The problem is the person asking the question is thinking in terms of car engine size. Yes, a big v8 is going to be less efficient than tiny 4cyl under most driving conditions. The problem with that analogous thinking is that it is flawed. Bigger size and weight of the vehicles aside, the v8 uses all 8 cylinders no matter what(forget about cyl deactivation for a moment). Same for the 4 cylinder. The body doesn't work that way. A guy who can deadlift 800lbs is not going to get "gassed" faster than a 300lb deadlifter doing a 225lb challenge. It's equivalent to watching to grizzly bears fight and seeing them get winded after 30 seconds and concluding: "bears are big and strong but they get tired after 30 seconds." Yes. They do. Against ANOTHER BEAR, NOT YOU. They can kick the shyt out of a human for hours. People get this impression of the gassed muscular guy from watching boxing or wrestling. A with overdeveloped muscles can try to compensate for poor technique by relying on strength. He's inefficient in his technique and body positioning, so he gets gassed. Same as boxers missing with wild punches. I've seen it a thousand times in wrestling. Skinny guys get tired. Weak guys get tired. Stocky guys get tired. When a muscular guy gets tired you notice it more because it plays a trick on your brain.

[@boxercourage4384]

An anecdote in support of 1:40- I have a job where I am frequently in physical confrontations. When I got stronger, the confrontations became a whole lot easier in terms of effort vs when I was weaker and more conditioning focused.

[@charlesfisher3983]

The reason that swimmers are long and slender is because of hydrodynamic drag, not metabolic conditioning

[@BitsOfEternity]

While listening to you guys talk, I was thinking of examples, and a couple came to mind - rowing, and cycling - mountain biking is what I was thinking (though it would also apply to road bikes), because if you're riding uphill, more leg power is required, and someone who has more leg power can sustain a longer climb at a higher speed. If more muscle wasn't better, people wouldn't juice. If you think about rowing, put two people in kayaks beside each other, with the same skill level, but one has more muscle, they can probably row faster than the less muscular person, or they can row for a longer distance than the other person, and more likely, both things are true, because they are using less of their muscle mass to move the same distance as the less strong person, so I believe they would be less tired on longer races.

[@natbromden5838]

What kinda fascinates me, as a fighter when i was around 10% bf, decent times on 400m ski slope sprints, there was this rather chubby mf teammate, who still beat me easy on those slopes, he strong dude, 330 bpress and stuff. Then i got fat( and somewhat stronger), around 24% bf, and surprisingly have objectively better performance on "cardio" shit, burpees, airbike, fight rounds, you name it (aint doing any running tho, cant tell there). Its really surprising to me, esp. considering the amount of extra dead weight that i have to move. But still dont wanna fight an oponent of the same weight at lower bf, suppose they have sign. advantage at the very least in strength

[@glockrtf-mj1gh]

This person asking about "strength and conditioning" needs to go watch Brian Shaw do the seated row machine 😂. He was literally rowing so hard that people were having to hold the machine down

[@Huttify]

A lightweight person could do that too. It is mostly a sign of poor transfer of force between the foot plate and the handles. I am not saying that Brian Shaw wouldn't move the machine if he had perfect force transfer. At one point the movement of the body is greater than the friction of a ergs rubber feet.

[@glockrtf-mj1gh]

@Huttify Brian without any training actually broke the world record on that day lol

[@Huttify]

@@glockrtf-mj1gh Haha, cool! So, he could have gone even faster 😆

[@johnRivs]

Getting stronger means everything that was submaximal is even more submaximal now.

[@jonklein7130]

But agree strength without conditioning is worthless as is conditioning without strength

[@davidthomspson9771]

At 52 I don't do cardio....I just lift steel.

[@Melmoth191]

Hell yeah brother!

[@James-wy6py]

Where’s Bre?

[@fsmoura]

She's in storage.

[@BIG_ASS_MOOSE]

The kitchen

[@mainprotag]

got fired

[@MikeLibbie]

How is “cardio” getting defined in this discussion?

[@fran9023]

It's so funny watching rip being so clueless. He really doesn't what the hell answer

[@shyamvijay8985]

The bigger guy needs to use muscles to move his heavier muscles

[@fsmoura]

Dammit, Rippetoe! You keep missing the point! Let me spell it out for you: I **need** to conclude that getting stronger is bad and disadvantageous, and also rather easy-this way I can avoid having to do hard training/stuff! _"Oops, I better sit this one out"/"That seems too hard"/"I gotta watch out, don't wanna get too strong"/"You guys go ahead, I can't risk getting too strong and ruining my performance efficiency coefficient with those hefty, ponderous muscle bellies."_ So, yeah . . . can't you help a brother out??

[@NatKingCole60]

The guy in the back right not saying anything is the smart one. Every one of these videos I watch from these guys makes us all...a little dumber. LOL

[@James-wy6py]

Comments from the Haters

[@fsmoura]

LOL! Rusty?! The smart one??? hahaha

[@ronburgandy7571]

You were dumb to begin with so this just evens you out.

[@NatKingCole60]

One of the previous videos was better. There was the profound statement "skinny old men die". Comparing their type of weight training, to what the majority do. Guess these guys don't hang around the retirement communities much. LOL. Bloated guy that are out of breath talking...are NOT the ones you see circling the track at 80+ and planning for dance night.

[@Buzz_Kill71]

True First!

[@keenanschouten2582]

The apex predator of every species is ALWAYS bigger and stronger than the other predators in its habitat. Evolution has the answer.

[@dmythica]

Wrong. Lion 190kg, buffalo 900kg. Lion hunts buffalo.

[@dmythica]

I have to comment twice because your post is completely wrong. Humans have hunted large game weighing up to ten tonnes, for hundreds of thousands of years, and humans almost always weigh less than 100kg.

[@keenanschouten2582]

@@dmythica Actually, I updated my answer to compare predators to predators, not predator to prey. Apex means it isn't prey food.

[@keenanschouten2582]

@@dmythicaIncorrect. They're pack hunters so you must multiply the weight by the pack number.

[@dmythica]

@@keenanschouten2582 fine tigers instead, jaguars, spiders, preying mantis, loads of animals hunt prey bigger than themselves. The statement was just plain wrong. And lions don't always hunt in packs, an adult male lion can take on a buffalo alone. The statement you have now is not true either. Cougars, bears, wolves are all apex predators that share the same territory. An apex means the top predator in that food chain. None of the above predators are more apex than another. They just aren't generally in the same food chain.

[@strongDr]

It's Cardiac Output not Cardio output 😂

[@unholyshape]

Layman"s terms

[@vignesh1065]

Mark doesn't care about cardiac. Just do favhes

[@Whosyourdaddy21]

I think in BJJ it’s mostly a mental thing. When you big and strong you naturally want to use it move through positions which is a great way to tire your self out quickly. If your not strong you generally try to do thing in a way that doesn’t rely on strength which helps conserve energy. Bjj is all about learning how to apply your strength as efficiently as possible.

[@jeffriggins9106]

Needs more knees, elbows and eye gouges.