Abandon Ideology | Gad Saad | EP 154

This episode was recorded on January 18, 2021
Gad Saad and I discuss, among other topics, ideas as parasites, postmodernism, social constructivism, applying evolutionary thinking to understand our consummatory nature, epistemic humility, nomological networks, the degrees of assault on truth, and more.
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[@travelingobserver6590]

It’s amazing how a long haul truck driver like myself can now navigate with ease through philosophical arguments(just as I do through tough icy roads) and point out fallacies in more educated people’s ideas thanks to hours spent listening to these videos while driving the rig. Truly grateful! When I go on dates with women they can’t believe I’m a trucker and are convinced I represent academia :)

[@sillililli01]

Hey, you guys fix the world's problems, while you are driving long haul. lol

[@l.j.7540]

Brilliant, I listen while cleaning other people houses.

[@dosia1boby794]

You so beautiful

[@kbrownvirginia]

I love this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We need more thinkers, and we can’t count on academics to do the thinking.

[@Keithwilliams-ql3xn]

Righteous

[@Gallowglass7]

''Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses'' - Plato

[@LordBlk]

A prophet is never accepted by his own country -Jesus

[@asisin2]

May the force be with you, always -Sherlock Holmes

[@vibratoryuniverse308]

Thomas Sowell, Jordan Peterson, Gad Saad, Víctor Davis Hanson, Ayn Rand,

[@richardscales4569]

I hope soon JBP and GS will discuss the most infectious idea of today - the idea that there is a pandemic that requires lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Will they speak about "The more than good restructuring", planned by the "Double-U E eff" ?

[@tonyalanmarchant7330]

@@asisin2 no no no.darth vader

[@laurenloertscher1319]

JP gets so excited when he talks about this stuff. It's good to see him smile after all the trouble he's had.

[@lewisbenzie845]

Two of the smartest guys I've ever heard. An honour.

[@Bisquick]

Oof seriously? Idk, here's a generic list or something to consider maybe, and importantly cannot stress enough the importance of reading these folks _first hand_ for yourself since their ideas and claims are constantly papered over, simplified, and misrepresented (by the folks in this very video in fact), often not even intentionally and merely as a result of consequential exposure to certain aspects and not others. Necessary: Aristotle, Plato (a slight exaggeration merely to demonstrate the widespread influence/importance, but it's often said that most philosophy is just a footnote to Plato at this point). "Enlightenment" core/historical context (if you take a poli sci course these will be the people you read): Kant (Critique of Pure Reason), Thomas Hobbes (Leviathan), Jean-Jacques Rousseau, John Locke (2nd Treatise) Often skipped despite having key insights, mostly because of reactionary conceptions of their work: Hegel (Phenomenology of Spirit), Marx (at the very least the manifesto - something this Peterson guy couldn't even do for that Zizek debate apparently despite it being a pamphlet and readable in an afternoon), Nietzsche, Heidegger (to use one of his concepts, the purpose of thinking about this stuff is to get a sense of 'dasein'), Adorno & Horkheimer (Dialectic of Enlightenment), Sartre, Carl Schmitt (actual nazi, but has some very good insights regarding the function of politics in The Concept of the Political, insights that were/are being used extensively whether folks are conscious of this or not) Guy DeBord (Society of the Spectacle), Baudrillard, Mark Fisher. Maybe once the stigma generated by pervasive and ossified cold war propaganda is revealed for what it is, and an understanding of "the left" is actually understood rather than obscured, misrepresented, and strawmanned (the most obvious conflation being that the Democratic party is in any way shape or form "the left"), check out Lenin who effectively predicted the last century in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism and like most of his other works. Contemporary people that aren't hacks and importantly have a huge historical awareness that is always elaborated and grounded extensively: Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Cornel West, Aaron Mate, Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal

[@tharealchunk835]

He is Samurai. You are a powder for baking.

[@bensitsdownwithfriends]

I love how non-confrontationally Gad is addressing Jordan's concerns with his work. We never see that, anywhere.

[@bobcougar77]

Good point: it's a function of several things... But mostly trust.

[@maxpbeaumont]

Agreed. It’s because he knows Jordan isn’t coming from a place of judgement, rather a place of curiosity.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

@@maxpbeaumont right, he knows who Jordan is.

[@bobcougar77]

@@j_freed or that

[@maxpbeaumont]

@@j_freed that’s a good point

[@deviklovecraft3835]

If Jordan Peterson is the internet’s dad then surely Gaad Saad is its irreverent, fun and favorite uncle. Glad to see Dr. Peterson back and looking strong 💪...firing on all cylinders

[@Kauemc]

He's the uncle Iroh of common sense

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

@@Kauemc he obviously has a zionistic agenda, cus in those parts where he indirectly defends zionizm, he makes absolutely no sense. The man just said that it's irrational for LGBTQ community to support palestinians cus the zionist system is more supportive of LGBTQ .. so what, he just forgot that people can be against zionists killing and stealing other peoples' land regardless of other factors. That specific LGBTQ community is not for palestinians and for their system of gov. but against zionists killing people and taking their land. So he either has an obvious agenda or is pretty dense. I'd go for the former.

[@scottandrew8906]

I absolutely love these two guys. So smart and just awesome. Every day I’m thankful for Jordan that he was able to survive.

[@robdel_actual]

Thank you Dr. Peterson. For most of my life I chased happiness only to find the more I pursued the further away from it I seemed to be. A few years ago I found your works, and it has profoundly and fundamentally changed my life. In short, I've cleaned my room, increased the amount of burden I'm willing to bear and now pursue meaning in my life. Perhaps it's too late for me now, but that is yet to be determined. Thank you for unlocking my ability to think. No longer am I bound to narrow ideological presuppositions that conceal reality and truth.

[@ChicaLocaGB]

Gad Saad and Jordan Peterson discussion together - immediate click!

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@truth5705 what are you on about?

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@truth5705 i don't know what a Adoba Sarah is

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@truth5705 i did, i got how to cook chicken.

[@alaricgoldkuhl155]

@@truth5705 Grow up dude. They criticize Islam. They are not alone.I would be right there with them if I didn't have an inkling of the poetic nature of arabic, a mystery I have no access to. The english translation of the Koran is a steaming pile of horse manure. Any Jewish child could write a better holy book. Islam suffers due to inaccessibility in the West. Until someone arises who can bridge that gap for us, I fear it always will. How about you stop blaming this on great minds such as JBP and GS and do something about it yourself? Be the change you want to see. At the moment, you just sound like a fanatical doosh (not saying you are that). Show us the beauty of Islam if you can. God knows the world needs something other than what its getting.

[@helenandersen8036]

Mathematical or Formal Logic has defined universes. In social life and politics, these universes aren't totally exclusive., meaning that the definition of left and right aren't totally distinct on every point discussed. Why do you have to be extreme L or extreme R? Don't have to.

[@rollout1984]

Dr. Peterson is looking stronger every podcast.

[@kylemerenaandfinley]

I think he should go by Gandalf

[@akashbhullar]

He should grow the majestic beard.

[@odan7564]

Peterson the White

[@mkmk44434]

My thoughts exactly. Feels good seeing him getting better.

[@copperrod5122]

Bet he’s doing the Wim Hof method 🥶😮😗💨

[@boskoklencovljevic9928]

Feels like listening to classical music, you might not understand everything but still sounds good!!!

[@varungawande9321]

That's good and all, but the point of this podcast is to not believe anything just because it seems beyond you to understand. XD

[@karolakkolo123]

@@varungawande9321 true haha

[@Isaiah--vj2xu]

So on point 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@PsychoCit]

I used to listen to classical music on NPR without much knowledge about classical music, but the hosts of NPR often gave a back story to the music, which made my classical music experience much enjoyable and intellectual stimulating

[@robertmacdonnell258]

The beauty of listening to classical music is that there IS no meaning, just a delightful sensorial experience of wonder!

[@Jhollis67]

"The holy trinity of bullshit". I love Gad Saad.

[@xtusvincit5230]

Saad should have saiid to the bullshit queen, "So if I shoot you in the heart, we could just say you are not dead but merely living in a more quietly alive,"

[@paps-personal-channel]

Gad is LO MAXIMO! I love that dude.

[@blaynestaleypro]

​@@sergedenovo2389 Peterson is great. But there are some things in which he has no idea what he's talking about. He's not aware of the degree of corruption there is. Still too naive I guess.

[@wegwerfacc3079]

@@blaynestaleypro I disagree with you. You should read his new book "Beyond Order". In the first rule he makes a case for progressivsm aswell as conservatism and critiques both of them at the same time. He really goes into why it's dangerous leaving curroption and a corrupted status quo on it's own and that progressive change is often necessary, but not only necesarry. It' rly a good book, I'd invite you to read it

[@blaynestaleypro]

@@wegwerfacc3079 Haven't read the book, I'm sure it's great. I'm just saying, based on what Peterson is saying in this video, he seems to not be aware of the degree of corruption, specifically in the medical industry -- to elaborate on another comment I posted under -- i.e. to trust putting stuff into your blood, stuff you should know EXACTLY what it is (vaccines) without the scumbags required to reveal the ingredients because of "patents" or whatever, but food must be labelled properly, right? Does that make sense to you? The level of corruption in the medical industry has more than revealed itself over the years but we supposed to just trust blindly?

[@efarjeonfgc]

This is a masterclass on how disagreements within the intellectual realm should be navigated.

[@ramushsteinuts9318]

Jordam pls search for the life of chico xavier and talk about it

[@anakides]

It's the miracle of good-faith discussions.

[@person27070]

I hurt my head a few times during the video.

[@djb1317]

i am left leaning, a centrist and do not believe that joe biden getting 80m votes holds up to logical scrutiny

[@mrwaterghost]

Did they disagree on anything substantial?

[@ProperZen]

Great color in his face, pulling names from his memory without struggle and riffing on Gad’s thoughts like a jazz drummer. So nice to see him clawing his way out of the fog.

[@jamesjameson4303]

I admit I was worried for a while but today I can see he is on his way. He is ready to get back in the ring! I wish Hitchens was still here. He'd be the next guest.

[@brianm.johnson4438]

@@truth5705 The Catholic church accepts that the authors of the Bible were people of their time. That's why they accept that the world isn't 6000 years old. Islam refuses to reject any part of the Quran whatsoever. There's the difference.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

First time hearing Dr Saad, and I'm in love. I'm gonna buy all of his books.

[@papacerto5050]

read some zizek instead. might actually lead to knowledge

[@tylerhill9510]

@@papacerto5050 yeah and some hegel, super deep stuff lmao 🤣 😆 😂 💀

[@reverieofmusic436]

@@papacerto5050 if you're implying that reading Gad Saad doesn't lead to knowledge, then I'm afraid you might be delusional. If you're not implying that, I apologize.

[@MegaMerdeux]

@@papacerto5050 zizek is a neurotic wanna be smart dude. He just repeats stuff he reads and doesn't even realise that most of the times he mixes contradictory ideas since he doesn't analyze them enough. Also most people that praise him on the internet have no idea what he's talking about. They just wanna seem smart, the emperor is naked people! wake up!!

[@DjShadowsound265]

im enrolled in his class at Concordia University, his class really changes the way i see the world entirely now

[@vitspenatek455]

When I feel like buying a new book I go through new JP podcasts. 2 hours later I've bought 5 of them.

[@Isaiah--vj2xu]

I wish I had your money to do that...

[@juliac9080]

God I know!!! Amazon needs to give him stock.

[@chriss729]

I regret saying some pretty ugly stuff about Jordan, but I’ve come to realize that he is a brilliant and resilient man.

[@logoimotions]

fair play

[@johnwerkheiser5555]

In the words of the man himself `Read more'. The more of his lectures I watch, the more I respect not only his mind, but his prospective.

[@archgod_yt2431]

I envy you.I wish more people have the guts to even admit they're wrong at times, myself included I'm afraid.

[@dherman0001]

When did it change for you?

[@djcudworth2355]

What? Would it kill you to apologise?

[@conorkobrien]

The Gadfather and JBP - 2 of the figures that persuaded me to take a critical look at the world and my life several years ago. Thank you both.

[@dertythegrower]

I concur

[@bennettwaisbren]

Same

[@WELLZY_]

JBP is the goat.

[@VanHalensApprentice]

For me it was Sam Harris I’d say, but as intelligent and critical thinking as he is, there is a depth to Peterson’s critique that I much more enjoy. They both are amazing individuals nonetheless

[@seesidesummerhouse6112]

Same here. My life has turned around immeasurably since I’ve found these two and their ilk.

[@chrismacdonald9472]

I’m always so happy to see that when gad is talking. That his joy of talking to Jordan, comes before anything else. and his knowledge and thoughts about any subject are so natural to him that his joy to speak and converse outweighs any of his thoughts or opinions

[@devinmillican2873]

2 of my favorite public intellectuals because they're both honest and they're both genuinely curious people who love to think.

[@tiagovicente5673]

1:22:09: "I am so delighted by how closely you've read the book, i'm honored my good man!" - Gad Saad Jordan is such a legend...

[@emeticjoy]

So nice to see true deep and honest mutual respect and admiration

[@ancientgamer502]

One of the things I admire about Dr. Peterson is that he's not afraid of silence while he formulates a response or a question.

[@venomlinx2796]

yes i learned that from him.

[@Grandmastergav86]

@@venomlinx2796 🤣🤣🤣 Really? It's simply logical

[@pamwest4751]

@@Grandmastergav86 That's the thing! I admire JP so much for him demonstrating logic and truth in his behavior as well as his intellect.

[@djolecar88]

It’s a common practice with people who think and think twice before they answer a questions. Some of the more popular individuals that do it is Elon Musk. I know of more people that do it as well, mostly academics.

[@Deliquescentinsight]

Yes, this is very natural, even for high octane thinkers, we have to pause and consider ideas at times!

[@xirknight]

Last half of this discussion is gold, absolutely the best analysis and critique of post modern theory that I have heard.

[@SMewett]

His latest book is amazing. Jordan is looking absolutely brilliant, I'm so so glad he's making a recovery

[@killajedi907]

I love the moment of purity when he says he's honored Jordan Peterson paid such close attention. They both seemed so authentic in that moment ha.

[@tommor112]

time stamp, please :D

[@justherald1117]

I loved that as well!

[@killajedi907]

@@tommor112 1:22:00

[@TheSnoopoff]

Yes, it was beautiful!

[@Ashoksudarsh]

rewinded that moment a few times!

[@Triforceofdeath]

Whether he can feel it or not, his visible appearance seems to be vastly improving each time we see him. Very good to see a positive trend in your life, and I wish the Peterson family all the best.

[@laportama]

His color is iffy.

[@pablorages1241]

But he's kissing left wing ass ever since he returned from sickness ... saad to see

[@Triforceofdeath]

I think he's just trying to branch out and engage with the Leftist ideas, less ass-kissing than exploration.

[@pablorages1241]

@@Triforceofdeath Whatever you call it ... there has been a decided shift in his opinions ... and he's doing a lot of apologising for the behavour of the left

[@bugzbunny69]

@@pablorages1241 I think, for the past year, it's been emotionally daunting and I think he just wants to go back to normal life. Like, listen to what he said in the begininging.

[@peterdeacon4628]

With Gad's smiling eyes looking at you how could you not feel good.

[@AgeOfNefarious_Deception]

🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@famousace4652]

These new podcasts are lit AF.

[@TheJcjames1987]

Jordan peterson is a LIVING LEGEND. Gratitude to all who guide him.

[@TheJcjames1987]

Nobody is perfect. He JP is not far from it in my opinion haha...

[@chris432t6]

@@ari96a coward? hardly. Smart i would say for having such a positive effect on so many lost and misguided souls.

[@nategd313]

Jordan looking better and better each podcast, and he even coaxed Gad out from hiding under his desk!

[@arliepeyton]

These guys are brilliant class acts. So glad Jordan is back!

[@fernandoabc01]

I am very happy to see our dear professor Peterson working and blessing us with his precious life. My God bless him greatly.

[@ryanboshell6124]

Jordan doesn’t have guests, he has friends.

[@ryanboshell6124]

@@truth5705 excellent point. It doesn’t detract from what I said though.

[@jmk1727]

with his caliber of friends and the many they are, who else is left to be a guest except for friends 🎩✌

[@cynthiamackenzie5799]

@@truth5705 "I'm a doctor for diabetes it doesn't mean melanoma isn't fatal or important too." (Full disclosure I'm still watching so this comment may not properly apply after more information.)

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

president elect George Kirby I thought that you were killed in Minneapolis.

[@daddytachanka8076]

@@truth5705 did you listen to the interview? Or rather conversation I should say

[@wakingupowls]

This is one of the very rare zoom/skype podcast I can actually stand. They aren’t talking over each other and letting one another completely finish before adding there own bits.

[@lesmoore3638]

When I listen to these discussions I come away feeling a little less ignorant.

[@brigwood7658]

you mean 'more knowlegy' (get it right)

[@lesmoore3638]

@@brigwood7658 I guess I'm just the type of guy who considers his brain as less empty rather than more full.

[@MidniteSaxon]

the size of ignorance is not comparitive to the knowledge gained. Although being less ignorant would make someone more accepting of the ideas we dont understand while maintaining the same level of ignorance, with very much a lower level of arrogance.

[@lesmoore3638]

@@MidniteSaxon this is convoluted. You write in circles and what you write doesn't add up. Stark contrast to JP. The "size" of ignorance?

[@MidniteSaxon]

@@lesmoore3638 its ok i feel you dont understand my point. The circles you speak of are representative of how I talk about ignorance. as an example my ignorance of not being informed enough to discuss this at your level. I would suggest your expression of mentioning convolution shows a lack of intention to understand my point, suggesting that level of ignorance. Ignorance not being the fault here but more the arrogance of the discussion.

[@RayCarroll67]

Its refreshing to listen to people who formed their opinions through vastly acquired knowledge, from being educated and well read. Rather than listening to Celebrities and Internet Influencers who's opinions are formed after reading a 3 Word Slogan.

[@jdzaran]

I’m glad to have you back Dr. Peterson. You’re a king lobster.

[@analogdistortion]

*lobster salute*

[@jimarger8533]

“Metamorphose into bullsh*t.” Oh Gad.tell it like it is. Very informative and stimulating. Thanx Profs.

[@jimarger8533]

@@truth5705 Why not let them decide what they choose to say or not say. And you speak for yourself.

[@cantthinkof123]

@@truth5705 because all religions were written by backwards thinking ignorant people , but where MOST faiths have sick shit written down but not followed to the letter, only a very small percentage STILL believe in thier book word for word and still practice it. I can think of only one that thinks its still OK to marry and kids in todays society .

[@eldenlean5221]

@@cantthinkof123 in the case of judaism and christianity...I would be wary to call the foundations of western morality backwards and ignorant.

[@eldenlean5221]

@@truth5705 I dont nesesairly disagree with that christianity is the foundation of western morality but I would also like to remind you that Christ was a jew, and that us christians share the old testament with them almost in its entirety. also anyone who calls judaism ignorant has not read maimonides. it was a religion incredibly ahead of its time, and while I believe christianity trully fullfils it and renders it obslete, its by no means an ignorant faith.

[@cantthinkof123]

@@eldenlean5221 I stand by what I said ALL faiths . They are called faiths for a reason. Belief without evidence. Thats faith. The old testament is horrible and violent. It was only when Jesus showed up and started a hippy commune did it chill a bit. Now Islam did the opposite . It started off mellow enough and then it all went down hill. We can all nitpick at beliefs. But when you can't take criticism about your faith or any faith at that , then we have a problem. I have a problem with ANY BELIEF that says its ok to mess with kids. And even more of a problem now I have three girls.and with a faith that STILL practices sleeping with kids. I have the same disdain for the Catholic Church and its problem with pervert priests. Before we go any further I'm not a racist in the slightest. My own daughter has an Arabic name , Aaliyah . I won't be swept aside with the label racist purely because that's the go to response.

[@sonampalmo3578]

Gad Saad has put what so confuses and angers me into an orderly, clear masterpiece of a book. I just ordered it and can't wait to dive in. And, JBP, it is WONDERFUL to have you back in the world again. That journey is hard and my prayers are with you.

[@budssuds2861]

Dr Peterson, it is again my privilege to enjoy your public speaking and thank you, for an introduction to Dr. Saad as well! It is, or seems a insurmountable problem to bring real education to the masses? I thank you both for your continued effort.🙌 God bless!

[@tofoletdecastalia2253]

Dr. Peterson is a good person. We are glad he's back.

[@RCCarDude]

His voice a few times has led me to think he might be a LMD.

[@mathieuguillet4036]

"That's hopefull, that's beautiful. It's also rooted in bullshit." -- the legendary Gad Saad

[@343Films]

As a recent Neuroscience grad of the University of Michigan, I'm so disappointed I missed the opportunity to see Gad speak!

[@willcrozier9153]

This is one of the best long form interviews I have ever seen.

[@Bottlekiller]

Next book: 12 Rules for Audio Engineering - An Antidote to Feedback

[@douglaslegvold9215]

Yes!

[@cosuinofdeath]

Bruh haha

[@duncansunrise]

A day without laughter is a day lost. Thanks!

[@sillygoose4472]

I'll write it

[@makarenattwo931]

12 Rules for Audio Engineering: An antidote to feedback and echo :-)

[@apuvama]

Ah, love me some Gad Saad x Jordan Peterson crossover.

[@Kakingapup]

So happy to see that you are getting better and heading back to your place at the top of the pyramid of honest folks who are willing to have the important conversations. Thank you Sir !

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

Talk as long as you want on post modernism. The more we understand post modernism, the better chance we have of defending the truth.

[@maxutaibi5986]

Gad Saad went out of hiding temporarily to do this interview, legend.

[@dertythegrower]

That sarcastic hiding video he did last week had me crying laughing.

[@rtwfreak2012]

brave and beautiful

[@matthewtaal6349]

Such a brave soul 😇😂

[@SinFeind]

Lmao

[@jesperburns]

Must be because of all the thoughts and prayers he received.

[@mccarthyjonathan69]

It makes me so damn happy to see Jordan focused and happy again

[@territhomas5590]

Absolutely

[@waylander7777]

I so thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and its elucidation of both reality based and non reality based epistemological approaches. Thanks to both of you and please keep talking with each other.

[@robertmoffat5149]

Great to have Jordan back. There's a decisive melancholy to his voice now. That could work out to be a good thing(plumbing great inner depths) and a consequence of being to hell and back.

[@demun6065]

Speaking of voice though, his audio setup SUCKS bad. Has a tingy, echo quality to it. Hard to listen to at higher volume.

[@-8l-924]

Gad Saad's continuing smile raises my spirits.

[@meaghan256]

These men make me so proud to be Canadian! What a treat on this cold afternoon :)

[@richardscales4569]

I hope soon JBP and GS will discuss the most infectious idea of today - the idea that there is a pandemic that requires lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Will they speak about "The more than good restructuring", planned by the "Double-U E eff" ?

[@davidmeijer1645]

2 a.m. watching after shovelling the driveway. Beautiful winter night!

[@mskman83]

You see this folks? It is called "productive intelligent discourse" two exceptionally intelligent people who can critique ideas to "refine" them for the betterment of our global understanding. They aren't just throwing big words around, they are attempting to refine understanding about truly complex concepts. I eat this shit up. So insightful and productive conversations.

[@kimlabuschagne6923]

Jordan Peterson you are a SHINING STAR and A Brilliant Mind , God Bless You back to your perfect health Jordan !! ✨🌹✨

[@CyberCoussinets]

It's a terrific privilege to witness a conversation of this caliber.

[@libra9605]

Your comment makes me feel smarter when I read it, thank you 🙏🏻

[@LaMariposafer]

Not to mention how wonderful it feels to be able to actually understand what theyre saying!

[@Squashua2727]

Except when it comes to electoral politics, in which these men could not possibly be more ignorant.

[@GSBennett1962]

Nothing more comforting than watching two people with a mutual respect for each other engage intellectually.

[@brunocassantavidotto]

The way they discuss, sharing and challenging each other's ideas is a great example of how science, and actually thinking, should be! Great interview!

[@Darkdb]

Loved it, the thing that really brings me joy is that I find some principles when Jordan speaks that are very similar to the things I was taught by my Father growing up. Thank you !

[@glennos1974]

What a privilege we have these days. To be able to watch and listen to two great minds interact in a one on one dialogue in the comfort of our own homes.

[@RightSideNews]

Amen!

[@A1M8E7]

@Modern Zombie who asked

[@trevorbayfield4006]

I can't believe this is free, free for your brain. Absolutely priceless.

[@user-dl3oc7sb5s]

It's been a privilege to have heard your discussion... Thank you for helping me understand better these ideas ❤️

[@MsTimetaker]

Can't get enough of you, JP, and love your choice of the guests you bring to your table.

[@TheMorninGlory23]

We love you Jordan. You're literally a life-saver for so many of us. May you live long and prosper ❤

[@truthpatriot9568]

So good to hear Jordan Peterson back he seems like he’s at full strength we need Dr. Peterson more than ever these days!

[@skylar4775]

That’s what I used to think. I was SO excited when I heard he was coming back. But he’s different after his illness. He’s not based nor wise like he was before.

[@rick4electric]

Propaganda from the right is just as bad as from the left!

[@bencoonen6652]

@@rick4electric I don’t like the terms right and left as I don’t really know what people actually mean when they say that anymore. If someone explains what they mean when they use it well that’s fine, but I have listened to people making up definitions which just seem to be skewed to support their viewpoints and poorly defined.

[@Wire.scientist]

This is a dream podcast for me...two of the most inspiring speakers that I've been following for years...Gad Saad and his discussions on Evolutionary Psychology have been fascinating and Peterson and his "12 rules for life" was a masterpiece work

[@ceciliepedersen7402]

Yes!! We have missed you so much Jordan!! I am so happy you are well and back again

[@ericneirynck8830]

46:15: "once I recovered from hearing such a position." 😂 Gad, never change

[@tmac662]

"He (my son) let me know his date was a graduate student in cultural anthropology, feminism, and post modernism... basically the Holy trinity of BS" 🤣🤣

[@JWu-jt7fz]

Hahahaha! I laughed too hard as well 🤣🤣

[@AA-ls6pv]

Saad couldn't help himself. I can't stop laughing 🤣😂

[@Doutsoldome]

Student, not son.

[@MelissaR784]

Great line.

[@Pneumanon]

Imagine dating someone that you have to call ahead and warn people about. Have some self respect buddy.

[@williamgrubbs2954]

I honestly believe these two men can save us from ourselves. I only hope they keep on talking and sharing it with us. Thank you so much guys. Very much appreciated.

[@duncansunrise]

You're kidding yourself. Just how long do you intend to kneel at the base of the pedestal upon which you have mistakenly placed Petersen? Awaken from your stupor.

[@rosefernandes3115]

Welcome back Dr Jordan Peterson. Gosh! M so in Awe of you. Your such a brilliant thorough GENTLEMAN. God Bless you Sir and may God continue to stand by you, protect, strengthen you and give you an unending love to you and your entire family. I've prayed and cried to God for both you and your wife with the unexpected shock of her cancel illness. Thank you God for giving you your recovery strength. 🙏🇨🇦🙏

[@cfluff6716]

I still haven’t seen Q in any significant way and the establishment has done such a good job at legitimatizing it’s influence that even Peterson thinks it’s pervasive.

[@Minotaur-ey2lg]

Qanon is like Alex Jones. Nuggets of truth blown out into ridiculous conclusions. Truth is often mundane, it doesn’t read like a Tom Clancy novel.

[@blaynestaleypro]

@@Minotaur-ey2lg you have no idea.... you don't know what you don't know.

[@BenWeeks]

@@Minotaur-ey2lg Even Jones doesn't believe in Q.

[@hypebott]

The Q stuff was almost entirely contained to an obscure imageboard for years, until that board was shut down on spurious reasoning, and kept down long enough that the ~35,000 credulous boomer rubes who were into it surfaced into places like Facebook and KZbin where these ridiculous ideas could rapidly spread and evolve. Next thing you know, it's being loudly amplified by its supposed opposition and Qannon is a household word and a ready-made label for any sort of behavior or thought that needs to be dismissed as equal parts dangerous and ridiculous.

[@ace6285]

I followed Q for a while. It was a message board consisting of a series of questions that encouraged people to do their own research about current events. It was fun. It really did have the effect of stimulating research. There were some people, not a large percentage that had some prejudiced ideas, just like other chat rooms both left and right. It was a small percentage. It is comical that the media is using Q as a boogeyman now. The only conspiracy is that researching for oneself is not what the media and the left can tolerate.

[@GenX4ever]

Gad was Saad that Peterson was off the radar, but now Gad is glad to have him back and it's rad!!

[@socrattt]

So close.

[@johnowashere]

haha i don't know why that made me laugh :)

[@giebenrath1978]

A follow up podcast please! The both of you are brilliant and we need to hear more of you two together. Thanks for this great podcast!

[@Patricia-hu5fd]

Yes, Jordan is wrong about allot of his opinions on the 2020 election. He is talking about a subject he knows nothing about. Many people felt our election process has had MAJOR flaws, for years before Trump ever ran for office.

[@thomashammer9641]

@@Patricia-hu5fd "Fair" AND "honest" selections..could, should, would; precede, "fair" AND "honest" elections; which, ..could, should, would; present a "fair" AND "honest" Representative government, FOR The People; rather than, "A Party's Control" of government for A Party's People's Control, OF the "other" party's people. A government that "leads" a party, is an anti- Representative Government, FOR The People. A "Two Party SYSTEM"; IS ALWAYS, one party away from "A One Party's SYSTEM; ie, "Communism's", or "Socialism's" or "Fascism's", or "Globalism's", or "Climatistism's"; "Theocracy's", or "Democracy's", or "Republicacy's", etc. The totally unique United States' Constitutional Government SYSTEM "FOR The People", was parasited by the re-embrace of the old design of a majority's rule by it's "might makes right"; and also then, makes a minority's right..."wrong"; and thus, the infiltration and destruction of These United States, is being accomplished through "Allegiance" to "A Two Party System"; which is, inherently intolerable of, AND anti-Representative of, any and or all of, a minority's RIGHTS to be free from a party's control.

[@susanjaku5883]

You’re a master, Dr. Peterson, of clarifying the ideas of your guests, and getting them to do the same. 🙏

[@rayb558]

I like that Jordan always holds up the books sometimes I forget the names but I will remember the covers

[@umiluv]

Yah. I’m a visual learner too. Audio only just doesn’t work for me to remember things unless they are profound storytelling or meaningful. Specifics like names, dates, etc. they all go in one ear and out the other.

[@jeffreyc.mcandrew8911]

As one of my philosophy professors once said., “There’s a lot of bullshit in the social sciences.” Your talk helped me think about this at a much deeper level.

[@andreas.9353]

Yes sadly. My brother failed his exam while critizising their positions and quoting Jordan Peterson. He is studying English in Germany and most of the lectures were hold by feminists... Really its so terrible to watch and I say that as a woman. Now they lost the last man in their lecture , he finally switched the subject.

[@jmeyer4266]

And Peterson is spreading the BULLSHIT.

[@robertstan9733]

@@jmeyer4266 if what Peterson is saying is bullshit, why are the most successful rehab centers in Belgium, staffed by psychologists completely independent from him and state-subsidized, built around the exact principles he describes?

[@katebatrak9068]

two brilliant minds. no better way to start a day! Thank you gentlemen. It's always a true delight.

[@sanfudu]

Hearing these two is like getting a massage in my brain. ^_^

[@demun6065]

It's like a massage with a happy ending ☺️

[@MrMarkchu]

If the election were so transparent and secure, why are the election officials resisting forensic examinations?

[@tpaull]

Yes, good point. Unfortunately, Dr. P misstated the case regarding the election 'steal'. It did not require 'widespread' corruption on a massive scale, it only required surgically targeted precincts, and suspending the rule of law under the cover of COVID, as well as vast amount of money poured in by Zuckerberg et al to carry if off in selected Dem areas. He also misstates the actuality of the lawsuits and their true outcomes and significance. He obviously has not had the time or interest to look into all in depth himself and is drawing his inferences only indirectly. Peter Navarro offers the best documentation, clearly showing how the 'steal' was accomplished. And, as you say, fair audits and select forensic examinations should easily dispel the 'lies', if that's what they are. Nevertheless, this is NOT going away. The truth will come out.

[@kingcigonas2494]

@@tpaull good call. And eloquently put! However.... I think Jordan is more of a centrist! (Maybe he doesn't want to believe that level of corruption! Because when you admit that, you realise your whole life is based upon a lie!) Or....... This blunt is strong AF, and I'm talking shit again 🤯

[@psymantronic1528]

@@tpaull Excellent take, Peterson seems poorly informed on the election fraud and the actual reasons why the legal system failed to act. In the interview with his daughter he was expressing positivity with the prospect of a Biden presidency in terms of bringing the country together! All the evidence so far clearly shows the opposite. It's surprising and worrying that JP can't see that maybe he's been infected by the parasite!

[@turmeriq4962]

@@tpaull the truth will never come out. America is going down the drain. With Kamala- Biden in charge, it's going to get worse. And Republicans will side with them.

[@lightwavz]

I am sure that Dr Peterson, as he is recuperating, will gain some insight into the true and epic Jungian (and BIBLICAL) battle for a free election in the US. And with the state of bottling and trashing of any truths, it only comes out on the fringes. A damn shame on the media.

[@johnroesch2159]

I am a professional engineer with three different engineering degrees. In engineering things either work or don't work, there is no in between. If something you design doesn't work you have find out why it didn't work. You can learn alot from failure to correct mistakes.

[@1SeanPG]

Great to see you back Dr. Peterson, the world needs you more than ever.

[@kepeb1]

JBP did not read ANY of the comments from his Douglas Murray interview. The points on the election should be more properly considered and investigated personally before making claims like the ones here. Otherwise, Great video and good to see Gad

[@emilioincerto]

Yes. Hes jumped into qanon stuff without having been present and of sound mind to understand how no election auditing into the chain of custody was ever made in countless ways that led to statistical anomalies

[@bencarpenter6612]

To his credit, this was recorded about a month ago, about the same time the Douglas Murray interview came out.

[@Mrlimabean01]

@@bencarpenter6612 I'm not holding my breath for him to recant

[@aprillmt3230]

Thank you, I've been saying the same thing myself. Hopefully it'll be something he'll remedy soon.

[@mrs.schmenkman2858]

Agree 100% .. when you try to make an evaluation without actually investigating your simply being lazy and intellectually dishonest. His reasoning is faulty but nobody has actually challenged him on it. Maybe Dave can bring him up to the level we are.

[@colegriess2758]

Two incredible intellectuals, lucky to have them!

[@SteveYourFLRealtor]

It's so refreshing to listen to intelligent conversation that debates and discusses topics with clarity and real thought. 🙌🏻

[@GoA7250]

Two of the best free thinkers I know.

[@rlibby404]

I love that no matter the level of agreement, Peterson asks friends and foes alike to fortify their argument. It’s like even if you’re wrong, at least be clear.

[@andrewlawrence625]

Jordan's ability to cut through slick partisanship and stay genuine is what I admire most about him.

[@docequis9796]

He is gifted but implies that fascism isn't a leftist political ideology... 🤣😂😅 providing proof that academia has infected his mind with the idea pathogen that racists are right wing. 🤣😂😅 ... he need a few more red pills it seems.

[@jimbojones4164]

Except on that 200 years together question.

[@Squashua2727]

If you're NOT a right-wing partisan by 2021, you're not nearly as genuine as you should be.

[@alexzanderroberts995]

At this point down the middle is a right wing thing. Jordan just hasn't admitted it to himself yet.

[@insensitive919]

I'm not a Partisan, but even I see Hunter's dad getting more of the black vote than Obama and I say wtf.

[@EmileAI]

incredible, I learned so much things. I feel like a door was opened for me I understand and learn the meaning of words and therefore I become more and more armed to understand and defend what I care about. It's like having gained tools to be more efficient and veridic

[@SonnyJim173]

I swear the force is with these 2

[@lizbec1085]

Two Amazing, Brilliant Individuals, taking the time to bring us their conversation...thank you!

[@WillKincaid]

They didnt rule against him that many times, they often refused to rule.

[@MrDNMock]

Because there wasn't enough evidence to prove it within a court of law. Doesn't mean there weren't a lot of problems and major issues (Times article shows that), just means that within a court of law, thankfully, innocent until proven guilty still exists.

[@waynebell6835]

@@MrDNMock If you legitimately believe that Mr. Biden received a “record number of votes”, I don’t know what to tell you

[@insensitive919]

@@MrDNMock The evidence wasn't even considered tho, they decided that they didn't even want to look at the evidence for various reasons.

[@insensitive919]

And Guliani said very specifically that he only filed THREE suits on Trump's behalf, why are these "60 cases" constantly brought up when they aren't relevant to Trump? Is the big number supposed to intimidate people? Peterson clearly doesn't know the details of all those cases, they could have all been filed by crackpots, for all he knows, but I guess that info would undermine his disingenuous argument?

[@EvanMantri]

I ADORE Jordan Peterson, but his total ignorance of the facts regarding the 2020 election really pisses me off. (And Fascist National Socialists are a Left wing political philosophy and Marxist off-shoots. Just because they were nationalist or ethnocentric doesn't make them right wing. Plenty of Communist regimes were also nationalist and/or ethnocentric.)

[@BlackHawk2901]

It is so good to see Jordan looking so strong. Wow it was so encouraging

[@edgeofthought]

The event that Drs Saad and Peterson spoke together, along with Dr Amitay was eye-opening to this stuff way back then, late 2017. It had significant presence and opposition on both sides, seen first hand with my own two eyes. So glad to see you both continuing the path. Best wishes.

[@BrickfallOfficial]

I recently came out of a severe depression and I can really resonate with JP when he's searching for a word but it's obscured by mental fog.

[@awyattmom]

Same here!

[@awyattmom]

Same here!!

[@SpawnOfMetal]

I don't think it's mental fog, he tends to take his time to make sure he's using the correct wording, he thinks before he speaks.

[@awyattmom]

Thanks for bringing that out , I agree!!

[@BrickfallOfficial]

@@SpawnOfMetal I don't think you're a nonce but i'll leave that up to the courts to decide.

[@aidanfredette5310]

Hey jordan, just turned 17 and have been listening to you for about 2 1/2 years now, i constistently rewatch all of your work and extract new and valuable information each time, your productions have influenced and oriented my very being in life; I thank you enormously and will be keeping up with your work to come! I wish you the absolute best and good health.

[@solaveritas2]

Good job! Young people like you are giving me hope.

[@aidanfredette5310]

@@solaveritas2 Appreciate the acknowledgment, I try.

[@senseidubstaff]

This was the beat descusion ive experienced in more than 2 years. Thank you so much!!!

[@genesis650]

I love these guys, some of the greatest philosophers of our time ❤😊 These Men are truly valuable souls in this world 🌎

[@geekonomic]

Not first, not second, just glad to be in the race 🙌🏼💯 Good vibes to everyone here. I appreciate you all...

[@Alan-uv7jw]

👍

[@allaboutaddison1997]

You said race, races are a meritocracy.. so what you are SAYING is???????

[@geekonomic]

@@allaboutaddison1997 Relax good Sir/ Miss.. I was merely reacting to the ones who frequently comment "first" or "second" on a post, indicating they are the first or second person to have jumped on the thread and commented. It's a bit of a race to the comments section if you will. Hence my comment.

[@VincenzoGCosta]

@@geekonomicI think @all about Addison was just mocking leftists.

[@geekonomic]

@@VincenzoGCosta I see now that is a real possibility. It's hard to tell nowadays wouldn't you agree? Thank you for pointing that out.