Rational Optimism | Matt Ridley | EP 153

This episode was recorded on January 11, 2021.
Matt Ridley and I discuss, among other topics, economic optimism, trade through the reciprocity of nations, enlightened self-interest, virtues relation to trade, feeding nine billion people, the triumphs of cities, escape of Malthusian population trap, and more.
Matt Ridley is a British best-selling author (The Origins of Virtue, The Rational Optimist, How Innovation Works, and many more) who is best known for his writings on science, the environment, and economics. He is also a well-respected journalist, businessman, and member of The House of Lords in the United Kingdom.
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[@goldtiger9453]

Dr Peterson is cranking these out I didn’t even finish the last two yet. These make my 10 hour shifts much more meaningful. Each video he’s sounding better ✊🏿

[@jordansmith1932]

@Johs still waiting for him to speak on his month or longer of WHM! Has he spoke about his experience yet??

[@jonathanwilson4486]

Holy shit he sounds and looks so much better

[@johncook7364]

🦞 💪🏻

[@annieinwonderland]

@@jordansmith1932 he has released the times interview and it explains it well.

[@lm2487]

Dr. Peterson is showing us that one can hit rock bottom, so to speak, and then ascend. Essentially a victory over defeat.

[@chriswhinery925]

He really sounds like his old pre-crisis self in this one. So glad to hear him like this, he really seems to be doing a lot better.

[@tesladrivingacademypetrovi9325]

He really sounds like his old pre-poisoning self

[@MusicMindfulnesswithJoshBrill]

@@tesladrivingacademypetrovi9325 has there been talk that he was poisoned?

[@tesladrivingacademypetrovi9325]

@@MusicMindfulnesswithJoshBrill symptoms are exactly as in Navalny's poisoning case

[@Kryptic712]

@@tesladrivingacademypetrovi9325 who did it then?

[@MusicMindfulnesswithJoshBrill]

@@tesladrivingacademypetrovi9325 what were the symptoms? I did notice how in that recent interview he released, he and M talked about how a number of them got sick at the same time and how 'weird' that was. I noticed a subtle implication... curious to hear more details and of course, if so...by who and for what motivation?

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

I'm glad Dr. Peterson is getting better, He's been sorely missed.

[@VidarrKerr]

I don't understand what happened to him?

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@@VidarrKerr He became very sick, partially due to the extreme stress and exhaustion his profession and the media hounding/demonization had caused him.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@Anti Social Distancing 2 What do you mean?

[@VidarrKerr]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 Oh, that's horrible. I only knew he was taking some psych medicines that were addictive, but that was years ago I think. He also did that meat only diet that improved his health. Glad that he is OK again.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@@VidarrKerr Same here, I was really worried about him.

[@LaMariposafer]

Facinating meet. I am a 47 yr old mother in Israel and I take huge pleasure and insights in following JBPS podcasts as well as his daughter. I listen during house choures and on long car rides and it has been extreamly beneficial in my life. Ive streangthened and better handeled crisis in my familys life and so has my son. Thank you so much for sounding a clear, brave msg such as yours.

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

Same here in Italy!

[@brianfinnegan3465]

Love from Ireland 🤗🤗

[@michaelmartin96]

I have a construction company and I listen to his lectures all the time. I have to where my headphones because most construction workers in America are not interested in expanding their mind.

[@johnmalcolm3116]

Yes his affirmation of general knowledge and experience as a positive influence is most important to one's life

[@bdubya7646]

Shalom! Boker tov!

[@kathleenjones8501]

Jordan Peterson looking for other people to have intelligent conversations with. We, the listeners, get the benefit of so so much. Thank you for allowing me to listen

[@thewholeheartedmanwithjohn4048]

I second this statement!

[@mariespinosa5395]

Me too. Very grateful.

[@mariajoseibizacoach6946]

Kathleen Jones well, said:):):) I resonate with you. Thank you Dr. Peterson Happy your health is progressing, looking much better😇

[@DLCMORRIS]

grovellers all seem to sell themselves short, brainwashed....speak UP! Call on GOD and shout it out, please.

[@DannySullivanMusic]

indeed

[@theremingtonjames]

He’s bouncing back & just in time!! Nothing but Love my brother ✌️

[@thechairman6617]

dude your ao basic ...

[@zacharybrown9741]

Little does anyone know but JP clearly has the anabolic community behind him.

[@SomeGuy-cw9rw]

Ha. I follow Remington James and am delighted he’s a Peterson fan too. Shout out from NW Houston. 🕺🏽

[@logoimotions]

deleted as I misread a comment

[@dosran5786]

dude ! i watch your videos haha our country is going nuts right now stay safe out there.

[@Wendy-xe4gk]

"We're not a plague on the planet." A worthwhile message.

[@Zayindjejfj]

I've been tired of hearing this from people who probably don't even attempt to help improve our lot in life.

[@thebigredwagon]

I hear people say this all the time. Nothing more genocidal than that. It irritates me to no end

[@killukrue]

not so sure about that yet lol

[@jamieharknett9620]

@@thebigredwagon I wholeheartedly agree. I think humanity for all our faults, is beautiful.

[@thebigredwagon]

@@jamieharknett9620 some see people as mouths to feeds. I see them as hands to help.

[@miguelcarvalho5852]

I just came in to say God bless Jordan Peterson and his loved ones, he's a necessary force of good in this crazy world. He's inspiring all the people who still actually care.

[@patriotpeasant199]

I still feel there are more good people in this world than evil. It’s just that evil is being amplified by our media/tech outlets and carried by corporations & celebrities, making it seem larger than it is.

[@illoominate]

@@patriotpeasant199 Yes. Here on the ground, I encounter mostly good by far. But on media, see evil and stupidity everywhere, distilled and amplified.

[@franny231123DMT]

virtue signalling

[@WelshmanSudios]

I dont think he believes in God, but yeah I wish him the best also

[@georgepace8853]

Amen to that brother 💯👊🙏

[@timothyh7053]

All this Jordan Peterson content coming out in 2021 is making it a great year to be alive.

[@DannySullivanMusic]

agreed

[@duncansunrise]

Really? The Hurwitz , Murray & Times discussions were cringe worthy. This one is better for two reasons: he's looking more healthy (that's good), and he really needed to respond positively after his last three painful discussions. You sound like you've got JP an an unusually high pedestal. You might want to rethink your cult-like devotion. Much of what he said in the Hurwitz and Murray discussions was disappointing to say the least. Seems to me like he has taken the comply / conform / accept pills that are now, apparently, a BigTech prerequisite if you wish to speak in the public realm.

[@timothyh7053]

@@duncansunrise Have a wonderful day! I wish many years of health and happiness to you and yours!

[@duncansunrise]

@@timothyh7053 Have you been taking "happy" pills? I don't dislike JP or anyone who chooses to adore him. My point is simply that we need to keep things in sharp perspective. The "plandemic", the global reset, the transitioning of democratic western nations to authoritarian communist states, cancel culture, Bigtech & BigPharma collusion, suppression of information, etc., etc., are of monumental concern to tens of millions of people, if not hundreds of millions. I really don't believe the recent batch of JP podcasts will have any impact whatsoever on the hideous machinations of the modern era. Some of his earlier lectures / discussions may well have raised awareness of the reasons for western society's decline, and even have engendered some hope for the future, but the Hurwitz, Murray, Times discussions were so disappointing I can only conclude that JP is simply looking to survive in the public realm, and to preserve his career and income., by complying with the prevailing narrative of MSmedia, Bigtech & Bigpharma. Although this is quite understandable in terms of dollars and cents, it leaves a taste in my mouth which is somewhat less than sweet. I'm pleased for him and his family that he's looking well, or at least in more robust health, so good luck to him with all that. Nevertheless, I think many of his devotees should probably ponder over the breadth and depth of their adoration.

[@benlaliberte9954]

Dont go that far lol

[@DLCMORRIS]

This Man has such a fine mind.....Genius.....Articulate, Precise, his vocabulary is fantastic! I am a Rational Optimist! Thanks Jordan! Take me to the River.......................

[@soapbxprod]

Second that emotion. A world without Jordan is a world gone wrong!

[@DLCMORRIS]

@@soapbxprod amen, but we are winning...the Ascent of MAN (KIND)

[@fuhq5121]

Yall must realize how that sounds...right? I mean I haven't watched this yet so maybe it's a reference? But still...easy boys.easy.

[@DLCMORRIS]

@@fuhq5121 why? why try and squash a Positive Energy? Just wondering, with your ohsoclever monica however u spell it........

[@DLCMORRIS]

@Altin Gashi why do you say that bs? all Republicans and Donald Trump fans are Absolutely Fabulous. Look at Melania and the rest of the gals for a kick off, intelligent and beautiful men look for intelligent and beautiful women.

[@raypassero9283]

“Being under attack doesn’t mean you’re defeated “ Jordan Peterson - I’m adding this to the long list of inspirational quotes I’ve heard and read from Dr. Peterson. Great conversation and keep up the good work. Glad you are doing so well.

[@sufianamin6657]

Can you share your list 🌸🌸

[@satoshinakamoto7253]

common sense

[@KristyandMarcus]

What a tragedy of our times, that we are so bombarded with crap, that an intelligent discussion like this one, is more refreshing than humour. Well done Matt Ridley & Jordan Peterson.

[@lahaza6515]

I see that sparkle in his eyes coming back & that familiar excitement in his guest's subject matter! And he looks 5 years younger suddenly. He's going to be alright:))

[@bcelestial2378]

I wish I was as optimistic about the future as these two gentlemen are...

[@mr.international1861]

I see a glimmer in his eyes too. Let's hope it brightens more.

[@tiagovicente5673]

"Thanks for reminding me that that's what I think" - Matt Jordan Peterson is such a legend

[@mitchwatson6787]

Hilarious, I read your comment just as he said that line. It was great.

[@jeannedarc7533]

Timestamp😂❤?

[@seraeggobutterworth5247]

It seems to be in line with his habit of steel-manning his interlocutors’ positions - I love that and try to emulate it, although I’ve yet to witness anyone better at it than JBP.

[@tiagovicente5673]

@@jeannedarc7533 1:26:50

[@autumnleaves2766]

Dr Matt Ridley is brilliant. In the run-up to Christmas 1980, some school friends and I went carol singing, someone's Dad was driving us round. We sang carols for the old Lord Ridley of Blagdon Hall, father of Matt. There was a huge Christmas tree in the hall and a roaring fire in the hearth, such a warm and welcoming atmosphere. We sang our carols and old Lord Ridley rewarded us with Coca Cola and Pringles, first time I had ever eaten the latter snack. A youngish man with dark hair was watching proceedings and I am pretty sure that this young man must have been Matt Ridley. No one goes carol singing any more, which is really sad. Most of the younger people don't know the words to the Christmas carols. Watching this in September 2023, it is so nice to see Dr Peterson looking much healthier now than he did in January 2021, when he was still recovering from his serious illness of 2019 and 2020. It is remarkable how he still managed to write the outstanding 12 Rules for Life - Beyond Order during this period of ill health, which had also included Tammy Peterson's serious health problems.

[@alanscalise5594]

Jordan seems to be improving phisically and mentally in such a fast pace, good for him.

[@torquemaddertorquemadder2080]

He tidied up his room.

[@brunocassantavidotto]

And for us!

[@TheRuralpoet]

Can we take a moment to acknowledge how much this excellent guest animated him ?

[@sharonalbanese8084]

Totally agree, what a lovely man! Made me feel good to be human. It's so nice to hear some positivity.

[@amyjohnson473]

Such an Amazing inspiration!

[@tjarlzquoll9835]

The Reanimator

[@randomfullywonderful]

That's right ... *PRETEND THAT I'M NOT EVER HERE!!* GO BACK HIM TO

[@kylenettleingham5984]

Glad you’re back, Doc. We don’t deserve you, but we need you.

[@g.c.9904]

@@jesuslovesashovelhead6173 Hi, where can I find the claims you are quoting? (If they are in this video I am still watching It) Thank you

[@DannySullivanMusic]

indeed

[@tajanaharic5978]

True

[@madformuse]

Maybe you deserve more than you think.

[@curryscott6617]

Agreed

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

Oh thank god he is getting back to his sharper self. We need this man

[@bellimissar]

it is an honor and i feel privileged to be able to watch Dr. Peterson. one of the greatest minds of our times.

[@ModifiedMiata]

Peterson picking up speed. Looks healthier, sounds stronger, discussion more evocative. Modern society does not deserve this man, but those who are here, we would be morally bankrupt to not take advantage of his lessons.

[@mrpipps90]

He sounded great!

[@hillaryfleming6962]

Supreme intellect adapted so that everybody can understand him clearly. We are all indebted to him. Thanks unreservedly.

[@israelboakes6710]

Such good vibes in this comment section love it

[@mailtv910]

@@israelboakes6710 Let's change that. How to make a Jordan Peterson point 101: 1. Pick up an alt-right talking point 2. Modify the language by using "smart" academic terms to scare listeners, make them feel dumb 3. Find a "naturalistic" or "mystical" explanation for why the talking point is right 4. Demonize the opposition (The scarier, the better) 5. Refuse to directly endorse the talking point 6. If being held responsible, claim "unfair misrepresentation" 7. If male, cut off your testicles to get the voice pitch right Thoughts?

[@ModifiedMiata]

@@mailtv910 Very dissapointing to have to read this under my initial comment. Even more saddend that I decided to respond. The tone of your comment betrays any good faith that you may have had that could foster a conversation. I hope you will be happier than when you typed that out, and I think that is all I can say to what you posted.

[@toxicjl]

I love Jordan as interviewer. He dove so deeply into this man's work, developed his own analyses, picked out choice quotes to showcase to his audience and had a legitimately meaningful conversation about the subject matter. Bravo.

[@cyclonictendencies9083]

"The knowledge to run the human world exists in a cloud. " -Brilliant!

[@differous01]

As represented by a pantheon (such as our weekday names) or "cloud of witnesses" [Heb12v1]

[@jewulo]

@@differous01 Is [Heb12v1] not out of context?

[@differous01]

@@jewulo Take a look at Raphael's paintings on the walls of the Vatican (the 'School of Athens' opposite 'La Disputa'); these represent a bringing together of all the knowledge of the Renaissance as the Old and New Testaments brought together learning of earlier times (depicted in the clouds)

[@DontTouchMySweetroll]

Welcome back, Dr Peterson. This world is a much harsher place than the one you left, and it needs you more than ever. Thank you for for coming back to teach us.

[@carriejaramillo1811]

Can't get enough! Public courage is so rare. Thanks for everything.

[@zac3392]

@Joseph Ur an irrational pessimist...

[@zbigniew2628]

​@Joseph "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."" You can waste it for comfort of stagnancy, but life isn`t about eating. It's about making this burden worth a while.

[@zbigniew2628]

@Joseph It's only in part opinion, mostly that's how world works. People can comfort themselves and entertaining to not feel burden in daily life, but it's still there and only grows. The resolvement is to make ourselves "strong". There is still time for "fun". ;)

[@rachellegraham9619]

This was a brilliant conversation, keep them coming! I am a 25 year old mother of two toddlers. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your podcasts (and lectures) when I'm cleaning up my hurricane disaster zone of a kitchen at the end of the night.

[@larakaljumaa5722]

Me too! Although I have 3, 5 and under.

[@lars.219]

God bless you both . It's a hard never ending job you have . If I was trillonaire I'd give all young mothers a free maid .

[@davidcowley]

What a BRILLIANT discussion, I needed that! I will definitely sleep better tonight, seriously. I love optimism, especially in this present time. Thank You Dr Peterson and Lord Ridley, Love to both of you!

[@Kurtlane]

Matt Ridley is author of "The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature." Which is one of the best books I ever read.

[@jenniferh7297]

Thanks for that, I'll check it out!👍🏻

[@sharonalbanese8084]

I am ashamed to say I hadn't heard of him before, but I was very impressed. Looking forward to reading his books. I can't help wondering why the powers that be don't listen to people like this.

[@uusrano]

And what does the book conclude?

[@coolbeanstu]

Thanks for the plug!

[@motorax11]

I will check that out.

[@ThirteenTears]

Having discovered both Jordan Peterson and Matt Ridley separately, it was a great surprise and joy to see the title of episode.

[@davidkoziar1811]

You'll love Dr E Michael Jones then.

[@tylermoth9837]

He’s really back🙂

[@ericscott5895]

My his family and friends go from strength to strength.

[@NikhilKumar-ry7eg]

That's exactly what I was gonna comment. Lol He really is. 🤞

[@ihavetubes]

@Joseph personal responsibility is to take care of yourself and the life you have been given by God.

[@wendywoo7031]

Woop woop! 😁✌❤🇬🇧

[@burry218]

@@ihavetubes I second that. Sacrifice keeps the horrors of suffering at bay. The greater sacrifice seems the wiser choice :) I really enjoyed the chapter in his book, Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)

[@paulwood9928]

Jordan looks and talks even younger before he was so sick! He deserves it! Great news! Glad to have Jordan back up and running!

[@jasonuerkvitz3756]

Dr. Peterson and Viscount Ridley certainly restore my faith in humanity. I love basking in their insight, their genius, listening, and learning. And certainly, Dr. Peterson I am 100% with you in your parting thought. My son is by no means a plague on this earth, but the very hope for its future, as are all the children we love and hope to teach.

[@sandyh9927]

All the way from South Africa!!! I'm a big Fan, it's like having my psychological step dad back, he's been more like my voice of reason that helps me put things into perspective. We love you Prof!💕 ✨🧘🏿‍♂️✨

[@thechairman6617]

its like a smart person telling a dumbe person what to say and not think for themselves your supposed to digest not copy

[@obbavyakti5805]

@@thechairman6617 Peterson has always been about wanting people to digest and not copy, so I don't really see how your supposed objections have any place here.

[@thechairman6617]

@@obbavyakti5805 saying and doing are two different things. what he wants for us is your part egregious to assume and bately touches the surface of human conciousness of jntentions and all its other conflicting emotions

[@royalcrown7180]

@@thechairman6617 I'm sorry but you just wrote a bunch of a gibberish, you know this, right?

[@thechairman6617]

@@royalcrown7180 to each his own reality.

[@bridgerberthold4888]

I'm rationally optimistic that the Doc will be around for a long time

[@JohnDoe-nq5pk]

When a large portion of the world genuinely are grateful for your existence, you tap into something deeply profound. He will lead to many more like him. Makes me giddy for our future.

[@mailtv910]

@@JohnDoe-nq5pk How to make a Jordan Peterson point 101: 1. Pick up an alt-right talking point 2. Modify the language by using "smart" academic terms to scare listeners, make them feel dumb 3. Find a "naturalistic" or "mystical" explanation for why the talking point is right 4. Demonize the opposition (The scarier, the better) 5. Refuse to directly endorse the talking point 6. If being held responsible, claim "unfair misrepresentation" 7. If male, cut off your testicles to get the voice pitch right Thoughts? I'm not saying it's right, but there is a real possibility.

[@superstimulatedminotaur3681]

@@mailtv910 Seems like you only listened to number 7...

[@tylermoth9837]

@@mailtv910 my thoughts are the people saying that aren’t correct

[@zac3392]

@@mailtv910 I love how you identified one of his incorrect assertions, provided a counter argument, and then substantiated it with citations and logic... You are so convincing!

[@3DCGdesign]

"If you're taking flak you're over the target." - great line.

[@mrmoofle]

An oldie but a goodie.

[@RenneDanjoule]

Thats what me and my German friends said when we strafed London

[@ChimpRiot]

@@RenneDanjoule *Bomber Harris entered the chat.

[@RoberttAvro]

Like the Bach intro music. The Brandenburg Concertos were truly a work of pure musical genius.

[@LazurayMusic]

"Morality is the shadow of the future" Dr. Peterson, that is a bar.

[@debranitaravindran4842]

JP is sounding so much stronger now! Loving his pace and clarity.

[@maynardglam]

Jordon if you read this-I LOVE YOU the world is a better place for you being in it

[@noehctuccmliw]

These book author interviews are brilliant. No wasting time with pre-agenda interviewers (ie. Kathy Newman) and talk show hosts who end up orbiting in their deaf circles of blatant denial, publicly attacking him instead of actually 'interviewing' him or acknowledging any of his reasoning. This platform brings back fruitful, intelligent, and balanced conversation. Very progressive, and stimulating. Nice to see Dr. Peterson being respected in healthy, normal 2 sided conversation. It was an honest pleasure being introduced to Mr. Ridley!

[@GiannisF_77]

It is a delight to see how he gets sharper and sharper in each of his online appearances! His recovery is such a blessing, I am so grateful he made it through!

[@martincassels7995]

Looking better each time I see you, broken, I don’t think so. I’ve seen and been a broken man through addiction but that can give you massive strength, fortitude and insight into your existence. From the darkness comes the brightest light.

[@SNUBAUSA]

Mr Jordan Peterson I thank the heavens that you exist and share your knowledge and intellectual honor with us, to me you are the ideal of correct, dispassionate intellectual inquiry

[@hminchella7423]

Thank God for Dr Peterson. Listening to him makes me happy and we need that especially now. Those deliberately pessimistic are not helping. We are not a plague on the planet, we are made in the image of God with a purpose.

[@zilefn9212]

God, I love Jordan Peterson. And Matt Ridley is great, isn't he? Not that I know, but these guys strike me as similar in some ways.

[@666goats]

why dont you marry him then?

[@cattenborrow]

@@666goats best comment 😂

[@Philotus]

@@666goats Ho ho

[@cosuinofdeath]

@@666goats wtf lol

[@molagbal5313]

I imagine they felt the same, as indicated by the part in their farewell where they announced a mutual desire to actually meet in person and have a drink.

[@Jatin-nr1bj]

I am a simple man. When Dr. Jordan uploads a video. I watch it and wait for the next one.

[@thechairman6617]

trump is a humanitarian who has promoted human rights in china who caused 2nd modern holocaust in history ---while "democrats" want to "help" china or tell us how china is americas "friend" --- dont ever let the propoganda or any government aspect of "establishment" MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOU --- vote corrupt chinese backed politicians out of your country !!!!!

[@saileshnaidu8102]

Thanks alot, Dr Peterson. This is exactly what I have been craving for in my life. When i was in elementary school, i was always the first in my class. But since i got into high school, my grades have been stooping and so has my social life. There was no words of encouragement. Listening to u helped me find a meaning in life. Ur a life saver Dr Peterson.

[@user-by6ql2mf5t]

God bless JBP! I am from an Eastern Orthodox Christianity country - Bulgaria, and it is amazing how his messages and ideas resonate with our beliefs and faith! I continue to be amazed how realistic and in the same time hopeful his ideas are.

[@TheMarkenzo007]

It’s made my day, week and month to see this hero return

[@lukjed9117]

Dr Peterson - You brought Yourself back to life - You brought me back to life. Thank You.

[@RenneDanjoule]

Read Jacques Ellul. Materialism abounds, spiritualism is evicerated.

[@evenruderanger7617]

@@RenneDanjoule read the Bible! Thousands of years of history is more convincing than godless philosophy! How many fulfilled prophesies written how many hundreds of years in advance until you believe a book is more than a good story?

[@DerekJohn]

@@evenruderanger7617 do you not believe that the Bible can exist along philosophy and critical thought? No truth shall be scared of tests to it.

[@SleightlyPersonal]

With respect, I give a lot of props to the medical professionals who properly treated him. For sure, he and his family were incredibly resilient throughout the last couple years, although I think much credit goes to his doctors.

[@bartitsulab]

I am a Buddhist Priest and amoung my contemporaries we discuss how Mr. Peterson is very similar in demeanour to a good Priest in his self awareness and common sense. Thank you for your efforts on behalf of all sentient beings. Wonderful to hear actual discussion and discourse.

[@katruffing7002]

What a pleasure it is to hear two intelligent people talk about important ideas Thank you

[@carlylecarlyle7602]

" I got it from your book." " I also go it from your book. " priceless 👌

[@anne-mariemay4144]

That was the most incredible 90 minutes on my Monday evening!! Thank you so much Jordan for inviting Matt to unpack his fabulous books! On my way to Indigo to pick all of them up during our lockdown!! Massive blessings in Abundance to you. Great interview dear one!!

[@MariettaFarley]

Peterson is BACK and he's EVEN BETTER! Suffering has a purpose! And he has lived to tell!!!

[@mcsibs]

A positive but believable story is exactly what we want

[@aivc90]

Can’t say how much I look forward to these videos. Glad to see you and your family getting back on your feet Mr. Peterson.

[@thechairman6617]

well he is in the end of his life cycle so it wont be bright anytime soon n

[@aivc90]

@@thechairman6617 huh?

[@thechairman6617]

@@aivc90 i also go by micky maose

[@LibertarianJRT]

Two of my favorite intellectuals on one podcast.

[@joetube4096]

Both are brilliant, but better as interviewees IMHO. Would love to see a skilled interviewer, say Dave Rubin, moderate.

[@ryanflynn3861]

How great is it to see Dr. Peterson at full strength. What an inspiration.

[@BlackbeltWoodcraft]

Hearing you describe how you’re able to remain calm and detached was fascinating. I’d love to hear you explore that idea further. Looking forward to your new book and enjoying your podcast. Thank you Jordan. Glad you are feeling better Zach

[@lawliet9692]

Hearing Jordan sound like himself again gives me the deepest hope. Its like my sick father has recovered from what felt like an incurable disiese. Now we can all enjoy his guidance, in times when he is truly needed.

[@jeffphillips916]

Much needed during insane times.

[@thechairman6617]

trump is a humanitarian who has promoted human rights in china who caused 2nd modern holocaust in history ---while "democrats" want to "help" china or tell us how china is americas "friend" --- dont ever let the propoganda or any government aspect of "establishment" MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOU --- vote corrupt chinese backed politicians out of your country !!!!!

[@xxxnamkhaxxx]

The more I listen to Jordan, the more faith in humanity I build. This from a self-described misanthrope. Thank you v. Much, Jordan n Matt.

[@joegallagher1842]

Probably my two favorite authors. So happy to see the collaboration.

[@melzization]

Finding your stride again JBP, truly Beautiful to see. We love your generosity and the grace, love and gravitas you offer in the public discourse. Love and thanks from Australia. Good to see you kicking to the curb the woke media. Thank for this.

[@GrooveisKing]

Looking good Jordan! Miss you man we need people like you more than ever!

[@discojohn8753]

"You have to prepare for the worst but you dont have to prepare for the best" That made my arm hairs stand up, good to have you back Dr. Peterson.

[@athenaeum33]

The message is more important than the vessel. This is your sacrifice. Glad to have you back professor.

[@rpjswish]

It's probably silly, but when I heard JP's um-hmm I smiled and felt he was truly back. It's one of my favorite of his mannerisms. I feel so lucky..

[@MsCody000]

I felt the same. I had to smile.

[@TheBillNye]

This was a very engrossing conversation. It flew by way faster than I had imagined. I’ve never heard of Matt Ridley before and I really liked what he had to say

[@InnerTranquility]

Welcome back Peterson! I don't think you understand how much good you are actualy doing! You are the voice of many silent people, and i know the burden must be hellish sometimes. Ill try to do my part, as i have promised our Creator. God bless you sir!

[@nikw6365]

I am havent seen Peterson like this for such a long time... well I suppose we all havent. He sounds alive again, his eyes show life. I am happy for the entire family, incredible.

[@2PIfrik]

I love Matt Ridley’s books. They created a huge interest in me about biology and zoology (Genome, The Red Queen, The Origins of Virtue, Nature via Nurture,...). Watching him being interviewed by Jordan was such an unexpected and delightful surprise! Now looking forward for a podcast with Yuval Noah Harari.

[@samuelglenn123]

What a shining light Jordan is to emerge from the underworld with such potent hope and faith.

[@royhouston8539]

As a uneducated man when I listen to you I dont get it all but I get the jest of it.and u are killing It DR.P.most respect too you

[@lars.219]

From me too . God bless you Roy .

[@TancrediLoCigno]

Someone should make a Netflix series out of this, we need to widen the market spectrum for these wonderful facts and ideas...

[@hellohereami913]

Thanks Jordan for everything!

[@stoicmanwts]

For what?

[@jamesheadrick1103]

@Joseph Perhaps it's a responsibility to yourself...and to those you care most about. You take care of yourself so that you are able to be there for others. You become useful, your life becomes more meaningful, and the world becomes degrees better. Just an opinion based on my own experience.

[@biancatyler56]

Absolutely phenomenal interview ! I’ve just added to my ever growing list of books and authors to read thanks to Dr.Peterson. Thank you Jordan for sharing this information.

[@DanWeeks]

Faith in Free People. This is what keeps me from taking the Black Pill. Thank you for that, Dr. Peterson! Great interview!

[@wilsonm.d6923]

As someone taking 1st year Sustainability and Human Rights classes to get my psychology degree at the moment, it was great to come here to undo the brainwashing of pessimism in my classes.

[@stevereimer5514]

Oh christ those courses sound abysmal. Good luck good sir.

[@michaelchan9874]

Matt Ridley's voice is real nice.

[@joetube4096]

The Audible version of Rational Optimist would have been better had he read it himself, still great though.

[@amynay4686]

This was a life changing conversation. I hope to hear more about this positivity and how well things are going in the world and how we could do even better!

[@garfieldbraithwaite8590]

Amy can I suggest a book called factfulness by Hans Rosling. It is packed full of just this kind of balancing perspective

[@disruptive_innovator]

Thank you Mr. Ridley. Thanks for sharing your time, and optimism, with us.

[@MariettaFarley]

This is SO POSITIVE and so encouraging that I, on behalf of all the world, THANK YOU!!!! Now I must go distribute this gem to all.

[@richardmock3198]

Having the pleasure of listening to a conversation like this is another reason why the future will continue to improve 😁👍

[@Kaar]

Jordan is getting back to his old self. Great to see!

[@andyr.3194]

A counter perspective from a small farmer to an otherwise engaging talk: 1) The reference to the past being so encumbered with struggles against disease and hunger, is certainly well warranted, but realize that humanity has had thousands of years to adapt to their native environments. There are lots of successful civilizations that sprung up in harmony with nature, with each individual having a vast , multi generational knowledge of the flora and fauna near them, as well as the ways of living healthy and avoiding illness and predation. Not every picture of the past needs to be beset with bronchitis and famine, many primitive cultures lived in abundance, health and had lots of leisure time. 2) You’re guest describes a future where farms are all centralized, save a few amateurs here and there, while the rest of the world is put in conservation to avoid,” Being trampled on.” This is a perspective endemic to academics who have spent too much time in their office and not enough time in careful observation of nature. Humans, with the proper knowledge, do not trample or destroy their environment, but interact with it. We are a part of nature and, can increase the biodiversity through regenerative agricultural practices. Decentralization of agriculture and the education of how to do so is key to invigorating the now dead and abandoned American countryside. Many environments have been so damaged by abuse that simply leaving them in conservation will result in a thicket. Humans are capable of stewarding the land to a point where it would be more productive then if simply made a place for tourism. Nature is not meant to simply be visited on vacation from the city, it is our birth place, our womb and our common heritage.

[@Rollpepper]

Well said. I don’t like this notion we must all be put into cities with highly specialized jobs, no space to call our own, no roots to grow. There’s a reason cities have the lowest birth rates, the lowest religiousness, and problems it is not mans nature.

[@WhatAboutU.S.]

This is why they want people packed into cities. Hunters, fisherman, (conservationists) only take what they need to survive and they respect the land and the harvest. The powers at be dont want people to be self sufficient because then they aren't consumers, they are conservatives and if you're not consuming you're not spending money and are therefore dangerous to their business model. You are 100% correct my friend, the majority of people have lost touch with the land and they want everything instantaneously and thats unnatural.

[@lars.219]

Wise words , old free tribes living in nature were so much better of then we are , regardless of colour . ( prepare for a dem. To Pass by ), Thomas Sowell , I belive , has so many vise facts on ancient people and who ruined who's life for the sake of money and war .

[@jayclark8271]

You have your finger on the hole in this city oriented (Hive) vision of the future-which 1) we can’t in any way guarantee, and 2) is at root a mere fabrication of the finite (“Bicameral”) human mind and insofar unreal, even nonexistent! Fine little essay and heartfelt it seems to me! Thanks. Jay Warren Clark

[@jayclark8271]

And when I say unreal or imaginary I am referring to the “future.” JWC

[@growgoodco]

Just fantastic to listen to two humans talking about big ideas. Great to see you back Doc!

[@jackiekjono]

As a deeply pessimistic person, I want to scream "but, but but..." so thank you both for being persuasive. It doesn't completely dissuade me but, it helps.

[@Ramon-gg3bd]

Summary: stop watching the news, tv, stop using facebook, twitter, ...

[@alexanderbell3102]

Something both the radical left and right fail at is social media. They think that not watching the news on TV sorts them. Facebook probably has more fake or poor quality journalism and bullshit than TV news.

[@Ramon-gg3bd]

@@alexanderbell3102 I guess until you've learned how to deal with these things, it can all be damaging. Took me a long time to know how to deal with it, and still it's not perfect. Something that is not pleasant or disturbing will always drip in, it's unavoidable in an open society. But people are mostly able to handle it, as long as it's dripping, not pouring.

[@richardscales4569]

If it wasn't for our mainstream media, I wouldn't even know about the deadly v that is currently killing so many people. There's no evidence out on the street, just the constant reminders from our trustworthy media.

[@Ramon-gg3bd]

@@richardscales4569 haha, so deadly you need to get tested to know you have it.

[@richardscales4569]

@@Ramon-gg3bd Absolutely! Because it is asymptomatic, apparently. Stop asking questions, just believe what you hear from the good folks on TV.

[@robertbauer1189]

My goodness. Thank god for Dr. Peterson. So glad he's back and getting better every podcast. The shows are fascinating but not heavy, informative and delightful. Great stuff. Please keep it up Jordan.

[@jamienelson3470]

Always a happy day for me when a new JBP episode airs, and this guy did not disappoint!

[@DanMcAdam950]

Love you man! You saved my life! I’ve recovered from Meth addiction, I’m in college now, and fallowing a transcendent goal!

[@hellohereami913]

Jordan Peterson and Tom MacDonald two Canadians keeping it real in different ways. Thank you for being yourself during this insane time.

[@amyness3452]

very different ways, but both pretty important

[@WalkinginDivineHealth]

I am praying for your complete healing and for immense blessing on you and your family, Jordan. Stay strong!

[@chibaphil]

"It's easy to get tangled up, eh?"... Gosh, as a transplanted Brit to Canada, I love to hear the "eh" creeping back into JP's conversations...

[@n7doxy]

You've really been cranking out the uploads! It's so wonderful having you back in the spot light and seeing you get stronger and healthier as the weeks go by. Keep up the awesome work, Dr!

[@Dave-ks9fi]

This is the most optimistic 90mins I've ever heard

[@grizzlygrizzle]

The only fly in the ointment is that they seemed to gloss over the problem of China, the World Economic Forum, the corruption of the UN and other international organizations, and the harm that determined, evil people can cause.

[@bcccl569]

@@grizzlygrizzle indeed but there is no shortage of that elsewhere, i think a focus on gratitude and return to humanity is necessary as well to defeat these evils.

[@norae1823]

Take good care of yourself Dr. So many people love and need you.

[@epistomolokko]

Such a brilliant conversation. I'm always grateful for being able to listen to such intellectual people and would wish to talk to them face to face. As someone in their early 20's and who's having trouble about being productive because of depression, I often get confused about life and can't get my head around what's what. After listening to Jordan Peterson for tens of hours, I managed to categorize most of my behaviours and found that both my strong suits and my weaknesses comes from me being dominantly an "open" and "neurotic" person. Even though knowing your character traits helps, your problems don't just go away just because you reckognized them. Right now I'm trying to find doable solutions to my problems and these "rational optimistic" ideas really give me hope towards being a better version of myself. Thank you Jordan.