ABANDONED | FRAN 8K "STD" Cinema Camera

[@FrameVoyager]

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[@forbiddenera]

so I was gonna let it go but this is twice now and after anti-Eliasing, I have to say: It's the wayback machine..not waywayback lol

[@brelade-gb]

Alejandro actually reached out to me to review the Fran 8K. They ultimately said that they cannot afford bad press and asked me to only give a positive review. I replied saying that I will give my honest feedback. So never got my hands on good ol' Fran, which is a shame!

[@FrameVoyager]

awwwww that sucks

[@seangentry2943]

The Fran is another reminder that resolution isn't everything; an 8K image with greenish zombie-like skintones is just a waste of hard drive space

[@FrameVoyager]

hahaha yep! They probably could have used this camera in the Twilight movies 😏

[@johnbrowningdp]

Basically Sony cameras then 💀

[@FrameVoyager]

😂😂😂😂😂😅😅

[@davidhrzenjak]

Even some Arri cameras have green tints

[@FrameVoyager]

@@davidhrzenjak 😮

[@nicolaslabra2225]

this is such a throwback for me, this all happened while i was in film school, this might be one of the best Abandoned camera chapters yet !

[@FrameVoyager]

One of the most dramatic episodes that's for sure!

[@Taz_Olson]

I remember when he was first coming out with Cinemartin and he had pretty much the same tone about everything. His marketing was basically just going on filmmaking facebook groups and making outrageous claims about the specs of the monitors his company and how they were all going to do basically everything and for a very small price. Then when we were skeptical about the possibility of those claims for the price he was declaring, he would just freak out. It's been a ride seeing them go from start to finish

[@FrameVoyager]

Haha yeah the comment sections in all the videos and on Facebook were so crazy! Made this story a fun one to tell. and I know what you mean, every product that had was the WORLD'S FIRST or the WORLD'S LARGEST

[@ryanbennett2650]

YES!

[@binba9]

To be fair, that's like the marketing for every Apple and Blackmagic product ever. 😂 At some point I couldn't read any BMD materials because every darn line HAD to end in an exclamation mark!

[@cameramaker]

The camera was not much of any development - the FRAN is made of a off the shelf industrial camera head with CMV50000 sensor, likely made by Ximea due to PCIe interface, that was fed into a M.2 port of an Intel NUC mainboard (the specific ports on side of FRAN can almost point to an exact model). Maybe they did the app that shows the preview and recording.. or they just reused the stock demo app from the camera vendor.

[@MotorFriend]

I've been wondering why someone doesn't try hooking up a high res sensor to something like a mini PC, as it would have much more processing power and buffer than most cameras. Well, they tried it.

[@565paolo]

@@MotorFriend Usually with things like cameras you need high processing power for specific computations only, so an FPGA like BlackMagic does or other kinds of hardware acceleration are much more beneficial, affordable and efficient to what a CPU could ever do

[@ZiggyTheHamster]

Just pulled the datasheet up for this sensor and the spectral response graph explains why the colors are weird. I think, given the extra power requirements, that it's even dumber than you suggest. There's a USB 3.0 version of the sensor (MityCAM-C50000). I think they took this and some cheap adapter cables and hooked it all up that way.

[@TechnoBabble]

@@MotorFriend Because computers do general purpose processing. An ISP or IPU is much more specialize, they are significantly faster for what they're designed for at the same power draw than something like an x86 CPU. This is done with ASICs or FPGAs, depends on the company.

[@lavalampsucculent2996]

These videos always come out as I get back from a night out on Friday. In the same situation rn and they're literally the coolest and most interesting mini documentaries to wind down to - love from a tipsy 20 yr old in Australia 💖

[@FrameVoyager]

😂😂😂 That's great! Appreciate you watching the content!

[@mitchgross592]

Oh man, I go back a long way with Cinemartin. When they made a recorder (It was just a little Windows computer as well) they were technically a competitor to the company I was with, Convergent Design. We used to laugh at the horrible videos and horrible products they would try to release. I don’t know of a single ever sold. Alejandro even asked me for a job once. Chalk this one up to sheer incompetency on a hilarious scale.

[@hav6301]

please tell Convergent design the spanish film industry needs the odyssey7q+ back

[@FrameVoyager]

Oh interesting! Like I said in the video, kinda hard to tell with smaller tech companies like this what exactly is going on haha. Crazy story

[@mitchgross592]

Perhaps one day someone will do an Abandoned Video Monitor/Recorder series and I can tell you the secrets of what happened.

[@hav6301]

@@mitchgross592 I work as a videoassist (film, tv series and commercials) in Spain. I don't know about other countries, but here there are three main recorders we use for capture and playback: pix-e7 (very old and slow, don't like it), smart assist qtake (industry standard but more expensive, too bulky and heavy for run and gun outdoors situations) and odyssey 7q+ (kinda old but way superior to pix in almost every aspect except for sound input, other soultions like blackmagic recorder or atomos prove really uncapable for film set workflows). So, in case the production doesn't have the budget for smart assist qtake, or we need to go super light, we go for the odyssey almost always but since they were discontinued, units are getting really scarce and sought after, broken ones are almost impossible to repair or replace the parts. That leaves an odd market niche empy because there's not really a 7"capable recorder on production at the moment and technicians and rental houses are struggling with this situation. It puzzles me how, giving this context, odyssey went out of production.

[@mitchgross592]

It’s a long and sad tale. The Odyssey7Q+ is still the most advanced device of its type. I wish I had a good reason for why it is no longer made but unfortunately all I have is bad ones. It’s a story of bad business decisions.

[@Wombletronix]

Thanks for telling this story. I heard about this camera back in the day but didn't realise the marketing was such a smoking train wreck! As sad as it is, it's at least fun to look back on in a way, from now when we actually have working 8K cameras that aren't vaporware.

[@FrameVoyager]

Absolutely! Yeah, it's such a unique story that it's fun to kind of memorialize it a bit. Been an interesting journey seeking out random stories like this in the camera world.

[@LeeHarris]

Why am I not surprised this company' was in Barcelona... I live there and am completely exasperated by how shoddy and cheap so many marketing campaigns are; they don't like to spend money here, for example in a city full of native English speaking immigrants the amount of terrible translations you can still come across is a joke. I have to say the promo videos for this company are fantastic comedic material.

[@FrameVoyager]

Their marketing videos made for a really interesting story that's for sure haha!

[@simonmikkelsen]

Great to see the video back.

[@FrameVoyager]

💯 glad it's back 😅

[@FigTreeCinemas]

Watching this video on your channel after the restoration! Great to see it back and live!

[@RomanHaussener]

Director: Can we start shooting the scene? Camera operator: Wait, Windows Update is in progress...

[@FrameVoyager]

😂 or a forced update right at the most emotional scene in the movie

[@RomanHaussener]

​@@FrameVoyager Oh yeah! It's happened to me once with my Notebook in the middle of a DJ set. No one needs these WTF moments in life. Ergo: Always, really always(!) pause WU when using Windows in a 'production' environment. 😏

[@robertleidner9703]

It’s that weird uncle who’s a “photographer” who just made a 8k video camera instead.

[@FrameVoyager]

haha for sure!

[@itsdanielcurran]

Dude how have you not blown up yet!! You’re content is some of my favorite on KZbin. Cheers love the content!!

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! I'm sure it will happen at some point just trying to figure out exactly what KZbin analytics want me to do haha. My content is a bit everywhere so it's probably hard to gauge who to send it too haha

[@frankfarago2825]

Getting a camera from a Spanish fly-by-nighter? Gee-whiz, what could possibly go wrong?

[@FrameVoyager]

haha

[@pixelsbyprince]

It always becomes obvious when a company is running on cocaine. Reminds me of several firms in the computer graphics industry.

[@FrameVoyager]

😂😂😂

[@Admin58008]

Imagine advertising your taxi business in a camera commercial...

[@FrameVoyager]

Right!?

[@bikenejad]

This series is so rad! I'd love to see you cover the Thomson Viper, Dalsa Origin, Ikonoskop A-Cam DII, and SI-2k.

[@FrameVoyager]

Almost have scripts done for Dalsa, ikonoskop, and the si-2k! Will be doing the Thomson Viper as well but want finish up the Dalsa episode first

[@Mevi]

So basically, a PC with an 8K webcam...

[@FrameVoyager]

Pretty much😅 though it was a CCD sensor supposedly

[@iamwisdomsky]

to be specific, a mini-pc since probably they just used an off the shelf SBC like an intel nuc or similar.

[@davideastham]

Enjoyable the 2nd time around as well. I hope this video survives. Alejandro should be ashamed to tell you to take it down.

[@javebjorkman]

Did they stick a slab of “carbon fiber” in front of the heat sink?

[@FrameVoyager]

hahaha I think so!

[@ryanbennett2650]

I vaguely remember getting into an argument on facebook with these guys without really trying. Oh well, hey thanks for making great videos.

[@FrameVoyager]

He looked like he was arguing with everyone on facebook lol

[@imabigsandwich1292]

image quality looks goddamn awful, or maybe it was just their grade? I see next to no highlight detail or shadow detail at all and it looked like if someone messed around in magic bullet back in 2010 in adobe cs6 with a canon t2i. The story is a fascinating one for sure, it's just so bizarre. Also feel bad for Philip as he sometimes seem to just attract crazy people and drama.

[@FrameVoyager]

I don't know... It's hard to tell because the RAW files they showed had a ton of green in them before they corrected them. I know every brand's codecs have tendencies to go a certain direction but it looked like they just had not really calibrated the sensor at all. And then they also didn't really know how to color grade or use a camera lol

[@Nathansomething]

It is also just very soft. Either they miss focus or upsample a low resolution to 8k

[@Palthura]

Commenting here before midnight tonight just to make my mark in case YT takes this down. Screw Cinemartin! #VoyagerSquad

[@kwa42]

Even the V-mount plate is upside down. I just can’t… 🤣🤣

[@Alex-cz9kt]

Never heard of this company. Cool info, thanks for sharing! What year did this camera come out?

[@FrameVoyager]

No problem! I believe they started taking pre-orders November 2018 but then 4 months later declared bankruptcy haha

[@MANUELHSTUMP]

Would be great to see the abandoned story of the DIGITAL BOLEX. Great series, congrats !

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! And no worries, that camera is on my list! Think it's up to like 30 cameras at this point now lol

[@BryantNaro]

@@FrameVoyager I hope the Black Betty is on that list :)

[@MrBaskins2010]

Putting windows 10 into a camera? What could possibly go wrong?

[@FrameVoyager]

As a windows user myself, I wouldn't even do it 😅

[@markos.5539]

Shouldve used Andriod instead

[@mjouwbuis]

@@markos.5539 Andriod was originally developed as operating system for cameras, so that would have made it sort of right.

[@djktman]

I remember seeing Bloom's video about the camera and it was the best review ever.

[@FrameVoyager]

It's absolutely hilarious 😅

[@JaspreetSinghArtist]

Camera looks like they found a BOX somewhere then they decided to put a sensor and electronics in that box. Actual BOX camera. 😂🤣

[@FrameVoyager]

👀 we need to send photos to blackmagic

[@JaspreetSinghArtist]

@@FrameVoyager I want to send them my drawing layouts I did recently.

[@FrameVoyager]

@Jaspreet Singh 👀

[@simonmikkelsen]

I think there tried to make a real camera but thought they could just throw a couple of standard components together. Then they found out what the difference is between a demo and a real product.

[@FrameVoyager]

Yeahhhhh, which I'm sure they pulled over from their days of making external monitors. Rumor has it this was a CCD sensor too. Which those are not necessarilly cheap.

[@robocoontv3245]

So sorry that there is no possibility to give you 2 thumbs up for this videos. Thx a lot. Really good work

[@FrameVoyager]

haha no problem! And appreciate that!

[@MegaHarko]

THANK YOU!!! I don't particular care for cameras or stuff... but... The music choice in the promoclips and the tone all in all made me want to rewatch from dusk till dawn. I will do so now. You all should do so. have fun :)

[@Cinegavo]

Never heard about this camera. But i love Steve Vai. Great music choice, Martin!

[@jgermain453]

Do you remember the CRAFT Camera? Announced at NAB as a "Modular" 4K camera that would be the RED / Blackmagic killer at a whopping $2k Price tag? Would love to see something on that!

[@FrameVoyager]

I've heard about that a lot! Looking into that for a potential episode

[@ThePethericks]

I’m really enjoying this series of abandoned cameras!!!!!

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! Been an interesting series to work on. Some out there stories haha

[@ThePethericks]

@@FrameVoyager You produce them so well! Keep up the amazing work!

[@FrameVoyager]

Thanks! Lots more to come!

[@idletimeproductions4956]

Just watching their videos would raise my suspicion in their ability to create a camera. They couldn't create a video.

[@FrameVoyager]

Probably one of the most bizarre cameras I've ever researched. Fun story though!

[@gravitymediapro]

There’s more than one way to get a Fran STD. Love these videos!

[@FrameVoyager]

😅😅😅😅😅

[@MrD0r1an]

This is quite weird. I would expect someone who is able to develop an "almost working" 8K camera to behave more professionally. It seems quite a complex task to go from nothing to a camera whose windows operating system keeps crashing.

[@MotorFriend]

Really feels like they got a sensor off Alibaba or something, although it would need to be at least ~40MP to get the resolution they're claiming. The example footage looks like it barely clears 720p.

[@FrameVoyager]

@@MotorFriend When I got the footage from online it was those resolution specs they gave in the video and in some kinda weird file format I had to convert to even use. But all the extra resolution does is show off how bad the image is haha

[@RedWolfMichigan]

The Steve Vai track brought me here. Great work as always!

[@alex0589]

I still have scabs on my scalp from scratching my head during the video Philip Bloom made. When he plugged a mouse into it, i think i passed out

[@frannyfranman]

Sad that this cam never came to be. The name alone is unbeatable

[@FrameVoyager]

I think you might be a bit biased

[@frannyfranman]

@@FrameVoyager No clue what you’re talking about 😏

[@clairstylerstudios]

I remember this camera, and that I was not impressed with the image from it they showed. I think the SI 2K camera used to require to be connected to a windows laptop to, so that was not totally uncommon at the time, the Vision Research phantom slowmotion cameras had the same workflow in the early days. Great video btw! :)

[@FrameVoyager]

Nope! Not all that uncommon but usually more of a sign the camera is in development. They really were not anywhere close with this camera haha. And appreciate it!

[@Akenoomokoto]

@@FrameVoyager Actually the 'Guy', Alejandro B. Martin, is now a day unemployed and living with his mother. After the Covid pandemic he ended selling his taxi license and now is spitting racist and fascist shit on his facebook account. I'm still not sure if the Fran 8K was a scam or not, this guy had a 'Testarossa' back then and I have serious dubts that car was bough with the money they make from CINEMARTIN, because he bought it just when the Fran 8k was in pre-purchase and that is very very suspicious, but whatever, the thing is Barcelona is know in spain (I live in Spain since a kid) for being a place where a ton of scamers came from, and they usually have a certain personality that this guy has. By the way, there is something that I didn't see in your video, or may be I wasn't attentive enough, and it is that apparently, or at lest that was Cinemartin said in his facebook, they gave the Frank 8K project to another people who had the idea to develope that camera (with some improvements in body desing and characteristics) for the Spanish national public TV ( RTVE ). Thing is the website from those guys is out of service since... dunno and they are mentioned no where here in Spain, so I am also not sure but it seemed back then that they tried to wrap themselves in a patina of legitimacy or something like that. Actually I loved every single second of your video, and the Philip Bloom review is a a priceless priceless gem of brithis humor.

[@FrameVoyager]

I did not find that information at all about them passing along the camera afterwards! I'll do some digging. And yeahhhh, it's just so weird because aspects of the company feel "legitimate" but they just kept doing such scammy type practices. Such a weird story 😅

[@Akenoomokoto]

@@FrameVoyager Actually that feeling, that it is 'legitimate' but at the same time is dubious has a name in spain, it is called 'Marca España', that literally means 'Spanish brand', it is a sarcastic way of saying that this kind of people is the one that give us bad reputation. I will try to find that info, if it is still abailable on Facebook, and share here, because probably it was published in spanish.

[@FrameVoyager]

@@Akenoomokoto fascinating 😅

[@deejayiwan7]

Judging by that yellow USB, i think its core is a Chinese SBC small ff pc..

[@FrameVoyager]

I woulnd't be surprised

[@lelluc]

A friend of mine actually worked as an intern for them before they went bankrupt, he told me that the first prototype sent to philip bloom was actually just a reconstructed red camera with a fancy case, hence why it has a similar slim & tall shape

[@FrameVoyager]

Oh seriously? 👀

[@NickForsterdotnet]

It has a red port cap on it in the video!

[@CNC-Time-Lapse]

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall of that pitch meeting.

[@philipbloom]

I don't believe that for one second; if it was true then they got a 3 year old to reconstruct it. As it was incapable of recording a single frame and all their "test footage" looked so bad I think RED should do their thing and sue whomever said that! :) I don't know which RED you are referring to but I don't know of any their cameras that are slim and tall...

[@alexisghnassia]

@@philipbloom also I think you would have recognized the RED UI pretty easily when booting up the camera....

[@kinoromantic]

I'm surprised Philip Bloom even gave them the time, not that it would have helped the camera and/or the sales, but it's outrageously idiotic on their part to even send it to Phillip in the first place knowing it wasn't exactly working. Also the main guy at 'Fran' kind of looks like Pablo Escobar :D

[@FrameVoyager]

haha yeah that's what makes this WHOLE story so fascinating is his involvement

[@kinoromantic]

@@FrameVoyager They should have sent one to Roger Deakins to review

[@FrameVoyager]

💯💯💯

[@philipbloom]

@@FrameVoyager you should have asked me whilst making the video as there was a lot more to the story But the reason I ended up with it briefly was that he kept messaging me to review it; he was whatsapping and emailing me constantly, so I told him to just send it to shut him up. Not for one second expected it to be any good, but that was an understatement. I didn't even touch it for ages then when I had an afternoon free I decided to see what it could do...which wasn't a lot. I received loads of strange voice messages from the guy telling me how to get it to work but after following everything he told me to do I wasn't going to waste any more time on it.

[@FrameVoyager]

You're right. Should have reached out. I sort of fell into making this series and have been trying to get better at reaching out for interviews on these. Early on I never got many replies from anyone involved for these videos so I kind of just didn't try as hard as I could have. So apologize for that, working on reach out more for these videos.

[@CNC-Time-Lapse]

Their marketing makes me feel extremely uneasy... I think watching Tommy Wiseau's performance in The Room would have been Oscars worthy compared to this. lol

[@Kesekuchaen]

Looking forward to the followup video! What a story..

[@cameranerdsmedia]

This channel is simply great! FANTASTIC WORK HERE!

[@rajendrabiswas]

this is very informative channel..all these underrated cameras just laying in some warehouse in dust when in fact they have potential to help poor filmmakers or amateurs ...these inventors need recognition also ..

[@filmguy5262]

This has got to be your most juicest and dramatic video yet, I fucking love camera drama

[@FrameVoyager]

Added some sad anime piano music in there just to add that extra spice 😉

[@filmguy5262]

@@FrameVoyager Yesssss. Your next video better have some IMAX espionage with Christopher Nolan ordering hits out on Red and Arri hahahaha jk

[@FrameVoyager]

@@filmguy5262 😅😅😅

[@cameragod1]

Back in the day I saw some publicity photos with the battery mount on the camera attached upside-down and thought "scam"

[@FrameVoyager]

It's so bizarre right?

[@BrandonTalbot]

These are some of my favorite videos on the WEB!

[@FrameVoyager]

hahaha appreciate that!

[@donp244]

lmao I've never heard anything about this before. This is the stuff off legend. I complained openly about how terrible the KZbin algorithm is and the google spyware on my phone has answered!!!! thank you, you've got a new subscriber!!

[@FrameVoyager]

😅 appreciate it! Honestly surprised this episode didn't take off with how dramatic the story is

[@donp244]

@@FrameVoyager I 🤔 it will lol

[@FrameVoyager]

@@donp244 hope so!

[@noisycarlos]

I remember that, for a while, Cinemartin had the only transcoder for Windows that could make ProRes files. You could buy it for a cool $1000 or something like that.

[@FrameVoyager]

Oh interesting! Didn't know that!

[@dominicus9891]

To be honest, I'd pay very good money for that. Prores is basically what keeps me chained to Macs.

[@noisycarlos]

@@dominicus9891 yeah, I completely understand and I'm sure that's what they were counting on. This was in the early 2010s and no doubt it was priced for studios and bigger companies. As a starting VFX artist with a PC at the time, I could not afford it. Thankfully now there are much better alternatives, especially since Adobe is able to export ProRes from Windows as well.

[@dominicus9891]

@@noisycarlos Yeah. I first used ProRes on my 2008 plastic MacBook. It was able to render nearly lossless 8 minute long 1080p video in just 12 minutes. On an integrated GPU with just 256mb of video ram. Prores is one of apple's best inventions, the ability to playback and render footage so seamlessly and without stutter.

[@TheScrubsfanforever]

@@dominicus9891 you can simply use the Adobe Media Encoder to encode Prores on a Windows machine

[@victorbart]

Hahaha nice @00:17 my comment is on screen too :D

[@FrameVoyager]

😂😂😂 nice!

[@defektfilms]

Next I hope you do some research on the sketchy crowdfunded Apertus Axiom open source camera,

[@FrameVoyager]

Added it to my ever growing list!

[@Spirit532]

Not sketchy, just mismanaged. They have good functional hardware, but they have no idea how to commercialize it besides yelling "open sooooooooource!".

[@Djbassbitz]

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR !!!! ❤️

[@FrameVoyager]

Gotta save the best for last!

[@RamasolaProductions]

Maybe its time to also do an episode on the Apertus axiom.

[@mikevlack7687]

Why is the V-Lock plate upside down?

[@migssotto]

The video has been restored!!

[@tylerstooksbury3050]

Using a spherical lens to show off your camera's anamorphic modes is hilarious and decidedly not a professional move.

[@FrameVoyager]

Yeahhhh, weird they could somehow get to this stage of camera development but not have basic fundementals to test out

[@565paolo]

They should have had the option to mechanically put something in front of the sensor as to mechanically matte the image for "true natural black bars" 😂

[@FrameVoyager]

@@565paolo hahahaha true!

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

Appel could have claimed to have the writing on Cinemartin’s presentation video “partially Filmed on Iphone”

[@AnotherCameraChannel]

I remember this, glad to see it covered again.

[@FrameVoyager]

😅 such a weird story! Felt like a lot of people missed some of the other small things that happened beyond Philip Blooms video. So fascinating

[@MakeYourVision]

Interesting to see what's inside this "prototype". Cheap notebook motherboard connected by USB to the old compact digital camera? 😂

[@timothycarr5550]

What a nugget. Also, Fran? It's like Sony coming up with the new "Tony VV"

[@FrameVoyager]

😂😂😂 pretty much! I actually do kind of wonder though how the footage would have looked if a professional got to use it 😅

[@timothycarr5550]

Would be very interesting! Although, if your putting that out into the wild, you probably don't have a great grasp on color science in the first place. Even a lot of the greens and blacks show some IR pollution, but that could be down to a lot of things I guess. Still, not great to try and sell your product on. Side note, love this series so far, and the speed at witch your pumping them out is impressive! A few of the other ACs on this last show have also cought the bug. Greetings from Australia, Great stuff keep it up!

[@FrameVoyager]

Oh, for sure! And thanks! It's a bit of a breakneck pace but having fun doing all the research and finding interesting stories! Going to have to pivot to some other kind of content here at some point haha! But I've got some ideas similar to this. Lots of interesting things to explore in the world of film and video! Thanks for watching!

[@timothycarr5550]

Looking forward to it all!

[@dc9662]

Man! That commercial is... ... something.

[@FrameVoyager]

Right? 👀

[@suitandtieguy]

This guy's guitar playing is great. I would totally collab.

[@gnkstudios6138]

Finally! The camera I voted to be on. This will be interesting. This company was a total flop lol I remember the Philip bloom marketing strategy they tried. 😂

[@FrameVoyager]

Oh, all the Philip Bloom drama and more is in this video! ENJOY!

[@constantinosschinas4503]

9:27 Love the RED mount cap lol.

[@orangejjay]

What a terrifying thought: Folks making things for cinematography that have no knowledge or real skill in cinematography. I get that they were a startup (or were they?) and had to work with what they got but given how many tutorials, books, classes, and other media available to help virtually anyone to pick up some skill in making videos, it just shows a lack of consideration for their future customers. We should be thanking them for the excellence of their promo videos: They showed who they truly were and those people were not folks who should be making cameras.

[@GearSeekers]

I love this series!

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! Been a lot of fun to make it! Still have about 30 more on my list right now so a long way to go lol

[@matheusbastosdp]

Would love a video about the Digital Ikonoskop A-cam dii and Digital Bolex!

[@FrameVoyager]

On the list!

[@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI]

That introduction video looks like a Tim & Eric sketch!

[@cinobro6393]

What about looking into the Octopus cinema and Achtel 9x7 camera? Seems like they’re still in development but it’s been years since they’ve been announced. It would be awesome to learn about the Si2K as well!

[@FrameVoyager]

I've got the Octopus and the Si2K on my list! Have not heard of the 9x7 one though. Added to the list!

[@mitchgross592]

Pawel Achitel’s camera is certainly not abandoned, it’s available and in use now. But it’s a super-expensive specialty camera and will never be used for general production. There will likely only be a handful ever made.

[@FrameVoyager]

@@mitchgross592 Hmmm... At some point I might start another series focusing on obscure cameras, lenses, etc. in the camera industry. Want to expand upon the ABANDONED series style into some other areas

[@Spirit532]

@@mitchgross592 The Achtel is pretty much a Fran, but with good marketing flare and *some* software work. They just wrote some basic software to dump raw frames from a Ximea CB654CG-GP-X8G3 onto an SSD. That's it.

[@PimpinBassie2]

They should have called it the EL TOPO STD camera

[@FrameVoyager]

👀

[@LiquidAudio]

11.25: "Eh, what happened with Bloom?"🤣😂

[@keysignphenomenon]

awesome video😀

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it!

[@roughcutretrospect7235]

its the SUPERSEGA GUY at it again, he will scam people again!!

[@geoffmerritt]

Maybe they should have brought out an intermediary model before the Fran STD called the Fran GR

[@theowlfromduolingo7982]

Love this series

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it!

[@toneohm]

Steve Vai.. For the Love of God... Can't knock it.. but, Frank STD... Hahaha!!

[@AyStar]

oh man I remember this shitshow of a camera, what a spectacle. What I would do to see one of these in the wild

[@FrameVoyager]

Would be fascinating!

[@kurtnelle]

Those guys must have been smoking crack.

[@FrameVoyager]

😅😅😅

[@eyeballbilly]

They were just a bunch of kooks pulling everyone's leg. Just an elaborate joke.

[@danielleohallisey4218]

You’ve framed this as either a real product with poor business management, or a scam. I’m gonna choose ’C’; total incompetence

[@BracaPhoto]

Isn't that the guy that Faked his Atari Drag Race times ??

[@retrotoast]

Cine Martin blatantly obviously has a history of rebranding/releasing OEM products. They never should have been on market with anything! P.s. the song playing in the Fran ad is a piece from Steve Vai. Alone for that they should have been sued. P.p.s. Matthew Allard is a douche bag for calling the music terrible!

[@FrameVoyager]

For sure! And I think he may have meant the music choice was terrible for what video was about 😂 great music but it added the strangeness of this haha

[@mspeir]

Other than the oddity of the intro video, the quality looks like someone took a 90's cellphone camera sensor and added a few more pixels! Why is the quality so bad?

[@FrameVoyager]

I honestly think it might be that they were not cinematographers or colorists and just didn't know what it should be tweaked to

[@mjouwbuis]

SInce you were not able to find Cinemartin in the business registry, maybe it was only a trademark owned by the mother company (which may have been the taxi company for all we know)?

[@MrBurnlan]

I laughed everytime they showed their horrible images. What the fuck did they think they'd sell with those colors ?

[@RareBK]

Seems like some of the people involved with this are back and are claiming to be making a FPGA Sega console. It’s currently going worse than this because they’re now showing off a fake PCB that is so bad that even if it did anything, it wouldn’t be able to output video because they just put an hdmi out on the board without anything connected to it

[@therealjasonseidel]

You had me until you said it ran on windows 10 🤣😂 no thank you

[@FrameVoyager]

😂😂😂 weirdest camera ever... Kinda want one now haha

[@FinlayDaG33k]

11:00 I'm sorry but why film it in what seems to be your personal home and not your office?

[@gabrielcomidi]

It looks like the worst raspberry pi project ever!

[@Cheordig]

I wonder did Steve Vai mind them doing a cover of his track for marketing...

[@JoshuaC923]

Camera running on Windows? Yeah like that's gonna work haha

[@FrameVoyager]

Forced updates in the middle of shooting lol

[@JoshuaC923]

@@FrameVoyager i guess they BSOD-ed

[@FrameVoyager]

😅😅😅

[@iliketowatch.]

(11:05) When the "celebrity" that you most closely resemble is Ron Jeremy, you should NOT be the spokesman for your company. 🦔😄🦔😄🦔😄

[@realrobxking]

WHO WOULD BUY FROM A BRAND WHO POSTS THESE SHADY THINGS

[@FrameVoyager]

haha who knows! If I had more money than I knew what to do with I might just for fun haha