about the current smear campaign against bts Reaction

[@kafka_7]

I read a tweet that said "bts' money didn't change them, but it did change everyone around them" and that's exactly why bts are being involved in all this mess

[@musicalriotgrl1]

I agree with you a little bit but I kind of disagree. It's not because she's a woman that its being made so public. She made it public by doing that press conference and acting a fool. That press conference was a circus because she wanted the attention they had asked her to quit quietly before the press conference. She wanted the smoke

[@CL-cn8wt]

Exactly! That was her plan all along, to paint Hybe bad in the media and with the public and drag other groups as well. but Hybe found out about her plan and did the audit.

[@Stefi.Kitsune]

She has a history of using outrage and controversial media to gain attention. It's one of the reasons why she was always problematic and why I disliked the choice to hire her

[@jeongguklvr]

it would be dumb to say that her being a woman doesn't fuel the fire. it's not the reason but it does add to it.

[@TrueDawn1]

Let not even mention the shaman😂😂😂

[@cellular7881]

But many people are supporting her and believing her because she is a woman.

[@geekyreader34]

Actually bang pd wanted to keep this mess internally. It’s the crazy lady whose trying to get public sympathy that decided to take things public

[@sulainsantiago3636]

dont call her lady ,she is a narcissist sociopath witch

[@ihniwiad]

actually... HYBE tried to keep this quiet and handle it internally, but she was the one who tried to get ahead of it (knowing she was going to be in big trouble, since by this time she had been made aware of the internal audit and their internal request of her to leave) by going public, and doing that crazy PR stunt (which actually worked really well with k-netizens). This is really about money at this point, either she is going to get a giant payout to leave or they prove she was doing enough illegal stuff so they can get rid of her without her getting basically anything (b/c she also still owes BSH loan money) It would have been a shit-show in the west b/c she came disheveled and crying, but they fully believed it and felt sad for her. It took a good 2 weeks of HYBE repeatedly putting out retaliatory evidence of her craziness to slowly turn the tide, but she still wildly has a lot of support there. IDK how, b/c in the west if an EXECUTIVE did half of what she did they would be mocked to the ground. Her breakdown truly is a very very very surface-level one. It's honestly nuts.

[@mlynlim5337]

She must have very strong support to be this vicious😮

[@natashambulo3510]

South Korea as a country is so easy to manipulate. I wonder if they realize that

[@ruthfischer7615]

The channel Asian Entertainment and Culture has done some interesting vids on the topic. She is more entertained than anything or would be if not so many young artists were pulled in unneccessarily - MHJ's fault. BeLift is now sueing her/ADOR for poor Illit. MHJ would *love* to own ADOR and NJ alone with no one to tell her anything. She had this wild idea that everyone from the other labels come to her for her approval before they work for example with a fashion brand, with another artists etc.

[@7Flowers1Dream]

Particularly an executive whose bread and butter is CREATING “Perfect” IDOL IMAGES. For over 17 years. Showing up to a press conference SHE arranged all disheveled?? Come on now…The setup can be seen from the Moon.

[@geekyreader34]

Unfortunately in South Korea. These kind of smear campaigns can cause idols to off themselves.

[@bereasonable8018]

I’m worried about Jin being the only one out of the military. He’s such a sensitive and caring man. I can’t wait for Hobi to be discharged so they can distract each other while the other 5 are still enlisted. I read that Suga is allowed to go home on weekends but I don’t know how much he’s allowed to do while still enlisted. I hope Hybe is protecting and insulating Jin from all this bullshit.

[@Whyyougottabethisway]

The whole shaman thing was batshit crazy. HYBE was like like...what other proof do you need that she's mental??

[@monicababirima2065]

This is why new BTS Army need to watch all episodes of "THE RISE OF BANGTAN" to fully understand BTS and ARMY.

[@tracydowd4013]

Agreed

[@StayFr0sty]

as an army since their debut it's so weird to me that new armys havent watched their comeup..

[@NamuBang]

Exactly.

[@bereasonable8018]

I’m 50+ new Army (2 months) and I’ve watched Rise of and so many other documentaries about BTS. I’m working my way through Run BTS and In the Soop and all their other shows. Trying to find a way to stream Burn the Stage. I think I’ve gleaned so many little details from watching so much material and still learning more from conversations like on Suchwita.

[@Sathom]

About the Tablo bit, he graduated with honors from Stanford in 3.5 years; BA and MA (English and Creative Writing I think). He also had published a book of poetry, he had written this during his undergrad years. There was a specific group of ppl online who would look for anything to try and smear his name, saying that he lied about his achievements and it wasn't possible - he must be claiming some other persons achievements as his own, they then began harassing his family and doing similar things to them and looking into their lives. It was pretty ugly. Granted, all before my time so I only know things from what I read in articles and I think there is a documentary on it. Mind you, he has like a 160 IQ or something crazy high.

[@irdinajohari7694]

it was legitimately crazy what happened to Table. The unhinged cult found another Daniel Lee (Tablo's real name) from Stanford and went as far as reaching out (harassing) him saying his identity was stolen by Tablo. This is after he released his transcript and Stanford putting out a statement that Daniel Lee was an alum btw. Again, Stanford had to put out another statement in which 2 Daniel Lee had received their degrees in 02', 1 in Engineering I think ME, and 1 in English(Tablo). You'd think with that it would be enough, it wasn't. I remember he needed to put out his Canadian citizenship, physically go to Stanford to get his transcript on national tv. Any of his friends who backed him up, was at the end of the unhinged cults wrath. They too were questioned and was investigated under forgery or something along the lines stating they were lying too about their Stanford degree. All of this unfolded while his wife was pregnant. I recall him an interview of him saying how scary it all was, at the hospital not knowing whether the doctors, the nurses who were caring for his wife and child were against him, and if so would they hurt them simply because they're his family. It was a moment to celebrate but the world was crashing onto him. I can never give much F about Knetz, not after that awful witch hunt Tablo went through. It was absolute madness, they never wanted the truth, they just wanted to ruin a guy who seemed so blessed and "had it all" because they were jealous and mediocre. I think it was some 50 old dude way from another globe. Absolutely vile and disgusting.

[@bereasonable8018]

@@irdinajohari7694 that is awful. The poor guy. What is wrong with people that they feel the need to do this sort of thing?

[@mikrokosmosmaven]

a yt channel called Asian Entertainment & Culture did a "series" basically summarizing the situation of MHJ vs Hybe and also makes an effort to answer baby ARMY concerns, without being too biased lol if you want to know more.

[@VariHoney]

Yes, I have watched this channel. I recommend it to. Very informative.

[@jozefi68]

And"Seoulite"

[@whk3120]

@@jozefi68 Seoulite is much more emotional, but I enjoy him very much. You is tricky, you is malicious, you is…replaceable! Lol, he’s priceless

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Her channel is great 💜

[@i.Dream.Binni3]

Imma just upvote this because my comments keep getting deleted 😅😭😭

[@BrilliantHuman]

35:44 For BTS it can work that way, they can "ignore" it but that's because they have global support (but it still is mentally draining). That's not the case for the majority of Korean celebrities. Tablo said it was so bad that just strangers on the street would be staring him down and people basically turned their backs on him and keep in mind 25% of the population lives in Seoul and it's not a large country geographically, so it could feel like literally the whole countries hates you. There are celebs who have lost endorsement contracts and had shows cancelled, etc. just based on rumours or minor "scandals' per western standards. Also we're conditioned from an individualistic mindset, but in Korea it's different and that collective mindset and how you reputation also becomes the reputation of your family, etc runs deep. Collective shaming is very damaging (literally from a psych perspective) and has lead to so many to unalive themselves. I believe Tablo himself said it caused a deep depression for him for some time.

[@ruthfischer7615]

It also leads people to suicide like e.g. Lee Sun-kyun.

[@ebony7177]

That's why when it comes to the legal process especially International ARMY stay silent. Your solution of "just do some charity" doesn't make sense when the guys do that usually yearly for their birthdays. In fact there is a new kpop group called Big Ocean who have three hearing impaired members. At least one of the members of the group said it was a big donation that Namjoon made for equipment to aid with hearing music that helped make it possible for him to start his dream of being in a group. The laws of defamation and libel etc are different in Korea and being prosecuted for it is different than in the US. In a society where not disgracing your name is a thing, being convicted of a crime can be devastating.

[@natashambulo3510]

International Army has not and will not be silent

[@rafaelsmith5737]

What's libel?

[@ebony7177]

@@natashambulo3510 Many of us have because we aren't lawyers in Korea. So tell me, what are the legal and societal ramifications then? Because even the International Army lawyers that I've spoken with aren't judging what should be done because every country has their own law codes. It's why you have to have certain certifications if you conduct law in nations that aren't you own. So what should be done then if you're so knowledgeable? We only report accounts, we don't dictate what should or shouldn't be done legally. NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL!

[@ruthfischer7615]

@@rafaelsmith5737 The channel Asian Entertainment and Culture has a few good vids about HYBE vs. MHJ Understanding BTS' Connection to the Cult & A Guide How To Not Get Sued By HYBE is one of them. I think here it is explained but it is certainly in at least one or two other vids surrounding this theme But wikipedia also says this: "In the English-speaking world, the law of defamation traditionally distinguishes between libel (written, printed, posted online, published in mass media) and slander (oral speech)"

[@natashambulo3510]

@@ebony7177 I'm talking about the fact that we aren't letting rumors about the boys run amuck. We are reporting accounts to bighit, every single one. Providing proofs. Of course we can't meddle legally. Why would we choose to medal legally? Let bighit handle that

[@hanatop40]

Well, she used to work for SM ENTERTAINMENT. I was sceptical when I learnt that HYBE appointed her as one of directors. I don't know why but the first thing comes to my kind was. HYBE was asking for trouble . I guess we know now.

[@porc13]

Imagine if she had been one of the ppl to put out those allegations in 2017. With her arrogance, I wouldn’t be surprised.

[@itzmehDevi]

I just feel bad for the boys..They are in the military, working hard, serving their country..and this is what they get? Not to mention they were the ones who bought this company from the ground to one of the most profitable sk company

[@ruthfischer7615]

I think they are at a point where they note what is going on and than go back to their work in the military while leaving everything to their lawyers. The ones actually getting hurt are especially the newer/younger artists under HYBE: Illit, New Jeans but also e.g. TWS I have seen articles also against Zico, Seventeen, TXT & especially Le Sserafim (because they are HYBE's first girlgroup instead of NJ; the youngest member is 17 and e.g. gets a lot of hate messages on her IG) But this hate campaign is because to take down HYBE you have to take down BTS because they are still ca. 50% of HYBE's profit. By pressuring BTS and HYBE MHJ hopes to get ADOR and NJ - or at least that was the goal before HYBE attacked first. This trail is only a try from her to stop HYBE from voting her of as a CEO of ADOR. I think the last bit of evidence will soon be submitted and than it takes about a week to decide on the result. BTW BeLift is sueing ADOR/MHJ for defamation of Illit now. And from the looks of it HYBE's lawyers are better and they probably providing the better evidence. I hope they succeed because the campaigning will end sooner. Personally her lawyers at her press conference were meme worthy as they tried to stop her multiple times and were certainly not happy with her.

[@ZoriNikolova]

do you really think Bts care when everyone knows that who made Hybe😂

[@graceb.334]

It's not a waste of money because that's how serious sk takes every accusation whether true or not and it has proven to hurt the members. These accusation won't stop but they do decrease when bighit starts suing and throwing people in jail . The public opinion is extremely important in sk and if bighit can decrease the pressure and false accusations on bts they will. Whether we like it or not public opinion does matter and it does hurt bts. Your image is important especially in those cultures.

[@Whyyougottabethisway]

Publicity was always her strategy. It's what she does. She knows she will lose legally, so she's playing the public opinion game -- coming out in a baseball cap and no make-up when she's he highest paid CEO at HYBE (including the actual president of HYBE). She knew if she came out looking like the corporate exec she is, she would lose all the regular moms and folk who would see her as the money-grubber she really is. This is ALL about money. Everything traces back to it. And she's doing it so well you know this isn't the first time she's pulled this ish.

[@BTS_is_loved_in_Scotland]

I'm in Scotland in Edinburgh and even things we have invented here are British. As soon as min he jin went to the media I knew she was shady and would drag the case out as mush as possible, she was given 60 million to create her new jeans group which now she seems to have ripped off other girl group. If she wins it's clearly a fix. BTS started out with no funds and she's allowed to use there money for a new group she's trying to take control off. BTS are shareholders in Hybe so if the company are effected so is BTS

[@leilanacroese3240]

BTS indeed owns a bit of HYBE. Boracity is talking about HYBE not owning BTS. HYBE has no say in BTS, but has a say in ADOR.

[@ruthfischer7615]

A little but not much. Asian Entertainment and Culture made a recent vid about this and how much that is in stocks.

[@gh0stg1rlcl1que]

@@ruthfischer7615😊

[@vmarie9535]

Wrong.

[@orchidmsc]

It's a big deal bc she's trying to dismantle HYBE. Bangtan still owns shares and it would be a big financial loss. What concerns me, though, is who is she working with? Anyone who thinks her dead sister possessed the shaman and then texts "her" 60k times certainly has issues but is she smart enough to pull this off without external help? Lee Soo Man? Kakao? YG?

[@wildlotus4339]

I don't think YG has anything to do with this mess tho.

[@Stefi.Kitsune]

It's not because she was a woman. She made it public because she didn't want to comply with the internal audit AND she has a history of using controversy and negative press for attention and clout. She did it in SM and she continued even with NJS. If you track the issues hybe has had over the past few years, it's all relating to girl groups after she started there. When the hired her I said it was a garbage move... She didn't mention that she internally demanded and stripped Source of A LOT of resources (staff, trainees etc.) and internally caused problems that led to why they likely had to launch new groups before New Jeans. God I dislike her >_< This is speculation but it may also relate to why Gfriend was suddenly disbanded when Ador formed then she's out raged that Hybe went and signed new trainees to debut a gg under Source. Yes. Without them they have no jobs. That's also why THE AUDACITY AND GALL of this lady lol She demanded getting a higher floor than big hit in THEIR BUILDING just to be salty. This is from employees.

[@Whyyougottabethisway]

It wasn't just that she was taking ADOR. She was making moves to clean out $75million dollars from HYBE this fall, using money she had borrowed from Bang Si Hyuk to gut the funds that would be used to launch BTS's comeback. She tried to get that number up to $200million. She keeps asking for more and more and more, when everything was already handed to her without any risk on her end.

[@beccal.5369]

Yes, BTS have around 2% shares in Hybe and voting rights. Also, the government just made Hybe a conglomerate, in the same realm as Samsung, because Hybe (thank you BTS) directly affects the country's economy

[@diatima]

32:10 Jurn, it was a mess!! It started with small rumours about him lying and it escalated into people accusing him of impersonating someone else, like literally stealing their identity, and there were petitions to revoke his qualifications and any awards! he had to go to court from what I remember, and even that was not enough to get these people off his back... it was downright bizarre.

[@porc13]

“Who cares what school he went to”. Jurn, this is South Korea. Where they shut down the country, pray to whomever is listening, off themselves, for the 8 hour long college admission test and your result will determine your life. People care about what school you went to.

[@elitesquad1681]

yo her mentioning tablo and the stanford controversy brought back memories. I don't think people nowadays really know how big that was for south korean. I remember i was in 4th grade playing games in the living room with my cousins and overheard our family debating if tablo really had a degree it was crazy

[@-rk4zf]

She's acting for public sympathy. There's a scene in a K-Drama "my love from another star" mhj pathet!c acting reminds me of that show.

[@Jurnalist_]

I felt the vim in this comment

[@carolinesch.]

39:15 The korean justice system is also a joke. There was this guy working at a train company accessing namjoons info illegally and he got fired and had to be in court. They reached a verdict. But then they appealed, the guy got his job back and got paid for the time he wasnt at work and nothing happened to him. The argument that made him win? Well Namjoon is sooo famous how could he not just look at his private infos and share them, he is a celebrity so privacy like a normal person just isnt possible

[@_agust.challie]

10:26 guess what,she's the one who made everything publicly and drag every artists to get hate,hybe want her to leave quietly but she out here doing press conference instead of returning her laptop to get audit.

[@Whyyougottabethisway]

Seoulite TV is a good source from someone who worked in the Korean entertainment industry as an America who then lived there for years. He breaks down all the nonsense and is pulling from sources that have inside knowledge. There is also a John Kim KZbinr who is a businessman and approaches it from that angle to show just how unhinged MHJ really is.

[@cathelijnevangent4143]

SEOULLITE TV has very good info about the mess 👌👌💜💜

[@beccal.5369]

SEOULITE TV kzbin.info/www/bejne/iniakn5pe72Jh5I 😅

[@cathydimaria6454]

Jin will be back in 2 weeks will be walking right in to this mess.I'm sure the boys hats happening.

[@ruthfischer7615]

The first trial that can kick her off is over by than. If HYBE wins - and I bet they have the better evidence - we may still get a peacefull celebration.

[@an_9823]

25:24 this group is super junior…. One of the more problematic/controversial/disgusting groups out there, pretty sure some of them are/went to jail, they constantly make younger groups (especially girl groups) uncomfortable, bodyshame people and overall they’re not really pleasant

[@Jneutron_0102]

My question is why would bang pd take min heejin in when she has had a bad reputation for a while now 🥴 she backstabbed SM and then bang pd let her have ador. Those types of employees are not to be trusted, if I was the ceo of a huge corporation, I would never take in min heejin, what’s going on right now is not surprising, clearly she is greedy so she wanted to make ador independent, take Hybe’s investors, and take down Hybe but to take down Hybe, you have to take down the people that made them, and that is bts. She got caught and tried to justify her actions by accusing other groups of copying new jeans when in reality she copied other groups. She recently got exposed for copying a Mexican girl group in terms of style and group name. Not only did she copy them, she copied black artists, jpop girl groups, and kpop girl groups in terms of choreography, concept, and even going as far as to copying scenes from these artists. So it looks like karma is hitting her and ILLIT’s label just announced their lawsuit against min heejin for defamation, they will most likely win as min heejins claims are false and there is lots of proof out their that min heejin copied from others. This isn’t surprising because min heejin never created anything besides her group. Min heejin should’ve never claimed to be original when these days lots of groups have the same or similar concepts, that’s how the music industry works, it’s rare to see something original these days

[@ruthfischer7615]

When did she backstab SM? I was under the impression that she very carefully not to offend left them. SM fans only began to get angry when she signed with Big Hit/HYBE. She does not actually want to take down HYBE - that would be ridiculous as they just have been declared officially a conglomerate - but she wanted to weaken them to get her own independent label and NJ (and possibly a chunk of money).

[@trishm.1692]

she did not back stabbed them, instead she left SME to join hybe for her plan to take down BTS that she did not succed to do while at SME.

[@ruthfischer7615]

​@@trishm.1692 Nah. She wanted her own label, a young successfull artist she can controll (like SM did), high success but *no* risk. This is why at first she liked what she could do at Big Hit/HYBE with the rebranding and the creation of a group. But than she wanted more and more controll and at first and in many ways HYBE gave that to her - treating her as a valuable asset. She thought them weak but was also offended that people in other labels choose their own branding while not asking her expertise first (aka. she wanted to controll everything and leave others the pieces she did not want). It was a confrontation of different ways of thinking in a way. That is the nice version. The less nice version leads back to her issue of having full controll over everything while not wanting to put in the risky work but having the same success as BTS. I don't think she understands why BTS works and has little to do with how she understands "branding". She does in way not want to "take down BTS". She wants to put pressure on HYBE to give her ADOR and NJ as she does not want to loose her branding work - the names after all belong to HYBE. Since BTS is still ca. 50% of HYBE's income she needed to dimish that first. That is the "easy" way to weaken HYBE and blackmail them into giving her ADOR and NJ. She will not succeed.

[@geekyreader34]

It’s not hybes vice president it’s adors vice president

[@carolinesch.]

It not because she is a woman this is such a big deal because she was the one to make literally all the details public before the court hearing. This is such a big deal because she is a ceo with such a close relationship to her group that had their first scandal about one of the members being only 14 years old at debute with questionalble lyrics and such huge instant success with music many people liked and setting trends

[@lisamichel6548]

I think the channel SeouliteTV does a good job explaining the business aspect regarding the stock options that are involved in the case. He also has a newer video about the NJ/MHJ copying other groups from Mexico, the UK and Japan.

[@graceb.334]

12:42 it's not hybe vice president, it's adore vice president they are talking about

[@CloudedLeopard8588]

The best place for the whole story is a channel called Asian Entertainment & Culture. She is a business expert and has been doing videos about the whole scandal. Jurnalist, you can catch up there.

[@Ana-id6uk]

She is not aiming for army with the headline though, thats the thing. HYBE is a shareholder company, she is aiming for the trust of the shareholders, and to some degree uninformed public cause outrage might affect the stocks. Also why this defamation will not affect bts in the long run, the fans are unaffected. But its fckn annoying and disrespectful

[@nick0ism]

7:30 Right??! I guess this MHJ is the type of person who think other people's advancement is her downfall, not even if those people are in her group and they can raised each other up. It's either that short-sighted, or she plotted to take over from the start. Want the complete control of ADOR wihout oversight from HYBE and Mr Bang; without emptying her pocket to start a production house on her own. She wants all the perks, without all the risks. On surface level, her dishelved performance and these ruckus she raised in media, seems like a downtrodden salarywoman being bullied by her employee; when all she wants is for her independency. Such a corporate fantasy. That's why so many SK people root for her, she sold a story they can't help but relate.

[@ruthfischer7615]

That may be beside the point but it seems she always dresses this way. I found her lawyers far funnier than her theater.

[@carolinesch.]

The thing in kpop is if there is a strong thing coming out about somebody even if its later proven false, that will be brought up in every single fanwar, in every single commentsection you wil lfind at at least a couple of times not matter how false that was or how long ago that was. With the whole idole image and attitude controvercys or even reacting in any way negative to that and how the kpop industry response to that, your image the public has of you is sooo important. So to drag every other group into this by name is such a nasty thing to do

[@cathydimaria6454]

Big BANG is the group you asked about

[@coffeevanilla2801]

Min Hee Jin had to be kicked out of Hybe...he messed everything up...Bts was bullied by all the kpop fandom and media even spread a lot of unclear news about Bts....😢😢😢Believe me, this is a tough year for BTS and ARMY...some ARMYs even bought Hybe shares so they can speak out if BTS is being treated unfairly.😢😢

[@lzn1006]

Her press conference was hilarious

[@andredayyy613]

I love you're content and your takes.

[@magdalenagabrowska8169]

I will only add 1. She was the one that gone public tgat us why this case is soo big in media, but like we see it was part of her plan, she did conference even befire everything started, and she actually win GP with this fake tears.... In conference she used fact tgat she us a women, like you said... 2. Hybe didn't hire her to make girl group, she was expert of branding, she was hired by hybe, when hybe was created to help with image and branding, but when her job was done shevwas asked to make girl group under Source music, but she wasen't happy with vision, She was the one that wanted her own label and make girl group there, and Hybe agreeded bc her vidion did sond good, but she took much, yeah loney is money, but there was more that become problem later... So she got company and money and free hand... And now she do this... 3. To add about what you said about her getting so kuch money st start, let's talk about her contract with hybe, bc hybe said she is the highest paid employee, her contract and salary actually give her around 1,5 mil $ last year... And she said in press conference that she is under slave contract bc she can work for 2 years in the same way, but it is nirmal isn't it a part of no conflict of interest, so you can't go to another company and topd them secrets, where is the slave contract... 4. Lastly a lot of things come out anout her, not good, so public opinion started to shift slowly tgatvshe isn't this poor women fighting with big bad company...

[@ruthfischer7615]

When she got the put-options that was conditioned. Meaning that she got for quiet under worth those stocks and a guaranteed price to sell back to HYBE. But for that she can only sell a certain percentage (5% I think) back to them when HYBE decides she can and as long as she has those stocks she can't work in the industry. If she can prove that HYBE made the contract under false pretense or broke it she can ignore the disadvantage as HYBE would have broken the contract first. Remember: the goal is to put pressure on HYBE so she can get ADOR and NJ independently of HYBE. Not that HYBE is letting her. This first trail may be over before Jin is back and if HYBE wins chances are good that she gets kicked at least as a CEO.

[@carolinesch.]

You are right army read the whole thing but others dont. So we are the ones having to deal with the most random and dumb hate comments everywhere about bts, to bts and to army. And that is just not a fun thing when you just want to be on any social media site to enjoy any release or thing happening no matter how clean you keep your timline. Not to mention if bts themselve see that. We arleady went throught that in 2018 and it was exausing enough Kpop fandoms are agressive, like doxxing and contacting your own parents on social media to send them stuff you posted, real or edited, emailing your universitiy, teachers or workplaces

[@MG-ql6ru]

In addition, he met Korean companies Naver and Dunamu through media play, but if both companies are shareholders who own shares in Hive, the CEO of Dunamu is an acquaintance of HYBE Bang Si-hyuk. In addition, if the two companies want to buy shares, they have to buy them from Hive, and if Min Hee-jin wants to sell shares, they have to have Hive's permission

[@fifiroukine5331]

It's a shitshow for weeks now. This MHJ woman is a big narcissistic, manipulative, greedy person and a professional marketer. During her press conference, she posed as a poor employee broken by an evil company (as she was not the label CEO with the higher salary in Hybe and with 20% of the share of Ador...yes poor indeed) to have the sympathy of the GD cuz the SK workspace is notoriously very toxic. As a Westerner, this press conference was a joke... I find it very sad as a woman cuz it casts a shadow to women in the business sphere. Anyway... The case is mind-blowing! As ARMY, we just need to angry stream and buy to show our inconditional support!!! Jin comes back very soon! PS your sound isn't very good since you change your setup. It's very low and with an wet echo...

[@daisysejera4253]

We are the same feeling about this its exhausting what more to the artist good thing to them(bys) they are all good and know who they are.

[@beccal.5369]

If you want the messy tea Seoulite TV really delivers😅

[@cathydimaria6454]

They are shareholders in hype was gifted to them by bang PD.

[@jayiti2262]

Thank you for looking at this, it’s always fun hearing your views. You mentioned Big Hit wasting money to sue, but, at the end of it, won’t they be getting a big payout? If they win the cases, won’t they get money? Although I agree that the money could be used for the trafficking, the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive. And Big Hit doesn’t have direct involvement in those and can’t really do anything in court regarding that issue anyways. Their concern is their artists and what’s happening with them.

[@kimkimi4075]

It's so upsetting hearing all this rumors, I know they are strong and they won't easily disband, but if they do I won't blame them, they don't deserve to go through all this, they worked so hard to succeed, they deserve all the love, support and respect, they are pure souls who just wants to make music, LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!!!!!

[@eileencritchley4630]

Your are right BTS members all hold Share's in HYBE.

[@natashambulo3510]

It was publicized because it's a public traded company

[@ruthfischer7615]

In part but I think MTN reported about the audit and after asked HYBE if it is true which they could not deny. After that MHJ made it very prublic with her press conference.

[@natashambulo3510]

@@ruthfischer7615 yes, apparently it was leaked.

[@-amel-9896]

Now there's a whole leaked conv of her with the shaman and the shaman said that "they'll finally end bts" and that they'll do what SM failed to do before 😭😭 that's some super finallain shit

[@TheOfelia001]

You’re right. A headline means nothing. We want the truth… Sad observation about their country how public opinion wins… That’s the reason I have not been interested in anything about their origin but BTS… One time while facilitating a leadership virtual session, I was asked if I was KPop fan and my answer was, ‘not really. I just like BTS.’ That’s because I have read a lot about how the boys have been mistreated in their very own country… maliciously initiated y by their competitors… My opinion…..

[@diatima]

25:56 the japanese host club look was the trend back then 🤣 sometimes borrowing from visualkei even!

[@sheilaankrah9440]

There is subtitles on this vedio

[@magdalenagabrowska8169]

Only official info about their shares is that they give Bang permission to make decisions in their name, but with new contact they take away this permission, that they would decide alone. This is all, but procent thry had wasen't tgat big anyway, hmm there were also reports that 3 members sold parts of their sheres, but this is all info. Contract info isn't public, we only know that every member had hired a lawyer - outsider, and we knie thst the contract will give them more freedom, but yhis is all not official info. Hmm but it dosen't matter if money they made was fundation for hybe ir if theu have part or not, they still should be in any way dring in to this conflict.

[@ebereokolo2662]

1:20 i saw some one already talked about the yt channel that has a series on this conflict, but i mainly use this one acc, TMIkpop to keep up with the news. Tho i haven't checked their accounts since CBTM released bcs i wanna focus on supporting Namjoon rn instead of keeping up with the news and fighting with kpop stans willingly closing their eyes to the wrongdoings of this woman🙄 2:52 not the Jarvis reference😭😭 lol. I'mma start using that now. I do want me my own Jarvis😮‍💨 4:44 i remember when this conflict was start and we found out she had all her plans typed out in the company laptop. Over in Army twt, we kept talking about how she is a disgrace to villains😭 7:35 Exactly!!! Louder for those in the back 🗣🗣 12:21 u r looking for Ador vp and he has been kept anonymous. 13:47 exactly. It's always money 14:37 u think this is frustrating but u haven't seen what we have to deal with over at twt the amt of 15:26 shaman lady is one of our nicknames for her on twt.😭 Do u have a Twitter acc? I have hilarious tweets i think u would like. 18:14 ik you r laughing and it would be kinda funny if ydk much about it but the cult allegations is a big deal. SK has a huge issue with cults and the general publics don't joke with ppl who are associated with cults over there. 20:30 football match is wild😭😭 22:18 no, she's not wrong. This generation, especially the younger ones are more and more... sheeplike. Not as many ppl read past the headline the younger the age u check. Just reading those kpop stans post was a huge slap in my face for believing that ppl still read past headline😮‍💨 25:42 atp, do u have a vid where u don't comment on fashion?😂 32:25 That's the kpop industry for you. Care about everything, but the music 1st.💀 39:49 💀💀💀💀 42:16 real. Governments will always government😮‍💨

[@ruthfischer7615]

I like the account Asian Entertainment and Culture. The video essays are good. It helped with the confusion especially since channels like Kookielit (sp?) and websites like Koreaboo have become unwatchable/unreadable. (There are even outright lies there)

[@TheErosinda]

She's drumming up all this shit on her own, doing constant interviews. Hybe trying to stay out of the news but she's out here setting fires left right and center making a fool of herself all on her own.

[@SukiSuki562]

It was the Vice President for ADOR not HYBE

[@AJP.OT7]

Channels or account I recommend to get the know abt the is drama: -TMIkpop (X) -theseoulite (YT & X) -Asian entertainment & culture (YT & X)

[@eileencritchley4630]

It's not the VP of HYBE but the VP of ADOR she's talking about eg Vice President Mr Lee.

[@Karmadhondup65]

This is why BTS deserves no single hatred 😢 Shameless!!actually korean people should proud of becoming their own people famous. Look at their all interviews thwy always trying to mention their country first.

[@JJordan19821]

I believe its more than money tho......Its Power. Listen, she understands the juju, drank the juju juice and now fully believe in the juju. Being the rational woman I am, I was giving this woman the benefit of the doubt until the report of who she met. Major shareholders??? NAHHHHHHH She definitely is cunning and was playing the long game. I give her that but bringing BTS into it......she messed up. I dont know much about BTS members relationship with HYBE, like share wise. I read where I think they had shares and now I dont think they do. However, given their status Im sure something is in play that they have some kind of "ownership' in HYBE. I can understand where they may need to separate the company from them so that they dont become liable every time HYBE name comes up (even tho they still are ). Regarding suing.....I AGREE....YUH WASTING MEH MONEY!!! All Jimin body rolls are being spent to sue ppl who have nothing good to do when the day comes. lol. Put that money to good use. But from what I see, some fans demand and I mean demand that they do something.....and I guess this is their way of appeasing them. But in SK, public opinion is huge so even if they want to do something now behind closed doors, some of the fans would demand something public from the company or else it shows they dont care. Lastly, I think they will allow u in still lol...just use Shaggy line....It wasnt me!!! lol

[@ruthfischer7615]

The memers have stocks - but not that much in the great sphere of things. Asian Entertainment and Culture brought it up in one of her last vids because people asked.

[@jedidar]

A reactor seouliteTV has pretty much covered it from the beginning of this mess of course it is his take but a lot of info. If your interested. 1:41

[@MG-ql6ru]

The reason I had a press conference was because Before the press conference, HYBE said This is because Min Hee-jin thanked her immediately after she filed a whistleblower and reported Min Hee-jin to the media in a very bad way. For three days, Min Hee-jin became a witch in Korea.

[@carolinesch.]

29:47 they did get shares in hybe and make them a lot of money but thats it as far as I know

[@davidho1470]

Lie become the truth and truth become a lie...

[@Jurnalist_]

Depending.

[@anitralarae_mahjacat]

Seoulite has the Tea

[@Sherluck93]

everglow-up has a good updated video out. 💜

[@bereasonable8018]

Suga and JHope talked recently about how when they were trainees with Big Hit the company ran out of money and told all the trainees to move out of the dorms because they couldn’t afford to pay any of them, and how Suga, JHope and RM banded together and refused to move out because get had no money to do so. Then somehow at the last minute PDBang got a small investment to keep it going. Fast forward 10 years, on the success of BTS, Big Hit became Hybe and Hybe is larger than all the other big3 labels. In fact the Big3 companies are trying to get involved with Hybe. Karma baby.

[@beccal.5369]

Seoulite TV youtube channel Asian Entertainment and Culture youtube channel Both have full coverage of everything that has happened.

[@porc13]

Actually was pretty active when super junior was around. I was a fan of the group that came before them, TVQX. I listened to suju’s (SUper JUnior) music here and there and I noticed that if they made a song that was a hit you can bet the next five songs will sound the same. No offense, I mean it worked and that’s how K-pop/kdrama is in general…something’s a hit…follow the recipe. Anyway, someone had said they were the group that was expected to fail. Basically the members didn’t make it to any group so, the company fulfilled their obligation of debuting them and then expected them to fail but they actually worked out. I don’t know if that’s true because they were actually grouped up as multitalented individuals: actors, dancers, show hosts/comedians, singers etc. anyway they were the group that made the song “Joppin?”After dynamite became a hit. Copy and paste culture.

[@kinetic3971]

The plagiarism part had me dead. Music(especially kpop) is all about borrowing and sampling other stuff previously done. She thinks she special or something. 💀

[@Litzth5406]

Tal vez no me importaría estos rumores si no fuera por que en Corea por cosas menores te botan de la industria , yo sé que no es posible que saquen a bts de la industria por estos rumores pero esto les daría la oportunidad de ser despreciados descaradamente en eventos y como army no quiero que bts sufra de propia mano el desprecio como los sufrió en sus primeros años de carreras donde no tenían el poder suficiente, ¿ después de tanto trabajo no merecen mínimo no pasar disgusto ?

[@Kimbley-ry1sx]

Seoulite TV …. For me, this channel is great for context and adds how the Korean public engages with it.

[@senu.]

call me hopeful but what you said in the end is right. the Korean netizens that eat up this rumors are not normal citizens. general public outside of the kpop bubble already turned against mhj. hybe image is bad though but I don't think it will affect bts too much in the end.

[@letsgrowsummo]

Bts owns .16 percentage of Hybe shares. So they have enough shares to have a say when it comes to major decisions

[@wildlotus4339]

Very small.

[@ruthfischer7615]

@@wildlotus4339 not when you know how those shares are stacked. I think some of the members are with the top 10 or 20 owners. I would have to look that up at the Asian Entertainment and Culture vid.

[@alinamaimihai8964]

min 26:48 is BIGBANG ...they make some history

[@DebishiOt7]

I recommend a channel called “Seoul lite” channel for all the dirty tea!

[@sggarn29asianchoice55]

More or less 290 million dollars

[@vids26]

Army really doesn't gaf.. But these posts are full of other kpop fandoms whose favourites can't surpass BTS.. Wishing d3ath on them and calling them the worst things possible

[@NamuBang]

You best believe even if it was a ninja we would be clamouring. ARMY are shareholders. We helped put bricks and we ain't letting some Johnny come lately, come in and try to take what others put blood, sweat and tears in. The entire nerve! No. Never.

[@MG-ql6ru]

People are mistaken about this fight between HYBE and Min Hee-jin, not between BTS and Min Hee-jin. In the first place, HYBE informed the world of the allegation of breach of trust, which could never be legally established, through media play. You don't know how many people in Korea end their lives because of media play, right? In order for breach of trust to be established, Min Hee-jin must sell her shares You can only sell shares with Hive's consent in the contract

[@TheTwil1]

When Bang created HYBE……he bubbled BTS to solely belong to BigHit, and since bighit created Hybe to handle the logistics they remained separate yet belonging. Bang PD had foresight. He’s a brilliant strategist.

[@judyburgess3357]

The woman makes ridiculous claims. If she thinks people will agree that Bang Si Hyuk got so rich by copying her she must have been making massive money too? Strange that she had to go and work in Hybe. She should have been setting up her own massive company if she was so clever.

[@jean3A]

MHJ’s whole schtick is so Disney villain level She has some next level hubris lol you’re right, classic narcissist

[@-amel-9896]

MHJ gives off the kdrama villain vibes lfmao i hate her but its crazy especially the whole witchcraft thing against bts and the kakao talks with her shaman. If she was a fictional character I'd think she was cool

[@ZoriNikolova]

These people should chill and stop doing stupid things because Bts builded the whole Hybe from the ground....show my boys some respect for working in their company😂

[@rafaelsmith5737]

22:10. 28:31. 34:25. 39:40

[@TheTwil1]

Lee Soo man ..(ceo of SM) tried to say without him BTS wouldn’t exist. That didn’t go down well for him. (Check THAT mess online 🤣🤣) ARMY came for him with facts and slammed him into retirement. Min Jin here even trying to take credit off him….common factor…..SM. …..SM infinitely pressed Bang PD and BTS blew past him.

[@Monisdimple]

Mahn this must be mentally exhausting😢

[@eileencritchley4630]

The thing is Jin back in a matter of days while all this is going on. Oh the Tablo thing was disgusting thank goodness he didn't give in mentally and end himself like other South Korean Artist's have because it's affected their mental health.

[@bereasonable8018]

That woman did the press conference to use the press and antis to support her scheme. Her claims of ILLIT plagiarising NewJeans’ look is ridiculous. NJ looks like all the other girl groups in KPop. Even with BTS their look wasn’t all that different in the early days, though the messages in their music set them apart. There is nothing original about what that woman is claiming as her intellectual property. Hybe hiring that woman is the biggest mistake they’ve made to date.

[@zimzim8232]

It boils my blood how much shit BTS go through. The south korean government is just shitty.

[@beccal.5369]

😂😂 the group of 2007 was Super Junior... try Sorry,Sorry. 2012 was Big Bang... try Fantasic Baby

[@BansheePurple]

I kind of disagree with you about them being in the military service is better in this whole situation bc they can't defend themselves. They are not civilians rn so only BigHit can take legal actions and inform us but many people will not related everything to Hybe is trying to cover everything instead or oh BTS defending or denying themselves the rumors you know? Of course and like in the video showed, the global media doesn't give a sht about just baseless rumors, but the korean media does bc there's a heavy influence by the big3 too. And if Mhj planned everything there's a big possibility that many other companies or business were paid for doing it and it will not stop. The k-citizens consume this type o news downplaying BTS' achievements and talking bad about them most of the time, so it's not surprising the lack of support and respect they have for them. It's just so sad the fact that BTS is literally serving their country while korea is turning their backs at them.. we know how much all the rumors and media have hurt them, they probably feel so stressful there not being able to talk about it and clear their names. So, hopefully others soldiers and people around them believe in BTS. For now, the best armys can do is aggressively support them just like we did in the past. 💜 We are not really taking serious the rumors bc they are stupid after all, but we are taking serious the smear campaign situation and how this affect them personally and their reputation in their own home. BTS is receiving probably their biggest hate train in their careers right now...

[@Jurnalist_]

So should you prefer them stressed presenting rebuttals to the lies and being beat down with the wave of comments or shielded due to duty and conscription and forced to focus on one thing only. I’d argue it’s the objectivity better place for them especially because their rich and time will make all this quite down.

[@BansheePurple]

@@Jurnalist_ wtf i never said I prefer them stressed. For your information even in the military they can use their phones and then being there don’t stop the malicious comments. It’s known that some members don’t even go on media that much like Namjoon bc they are afraid of criticism but some do and all of them can’t escape the news and how the company and other people tells them what is going on. When some sht like this happen, they are not obligated to respond but when they feel like they need to they usually can do a statement denying the rumors or they just go live and tell us and talk their sht, but they can’t do it right now and it’s heartbreaking. Thank god the company is taking more strict legal actions and is doing an statement. But like I said, many people will take the company statement as some plan of Hybe or whatever. They being in the military and not being available of respond directly don’t make the rumors quiet down in korea. That is stressful as sht too, so you saying that I prefer them being stressed is not logical and as an army I would hate that. For something MHJ or whoever planned this decided to start the smear campaign at this time. They know how much can affect BTS. What I really hope is that people around them in that environment support them and also when they are taking the monthly days of vacation.