"Absolutely disgraceful" yellow card decision by Nigel Owens (Glasgow v Leinster 2019)

BBC Radio Scotland commentary: John Beattie, Peter Wright, Chris Paterson

[@garethvanderwesthuyzen6420]

Two Scottish commentators wanting a red, surprise surprise. It's a clear yellow all day long. Well done Nigel Owens 👍

[@neilmarshall3071]

Yeah taking someone out in the air who lands on their head, then hoofing a physio is just a yellow.

[@oisinjoyce]

@@neilmarshall3071 he didn't hoof a physio if you used your eyes you'll see it was actually Johnny Sexton on the ball beside the physio, not Rob Kearney.

[@lisablyth451]

He takes him out in mid air landes on his neck hogg was knocked out for a second red

[@smcfarlane1985]

@@oisinjoyce i was at the game kearney kicks physio . Nigel owens was a joke that day . I wouldnt even have spoke to kearney . Dirty bastard

[@oisinjoyce]

@@smcfarlane1985 you obviously need your eyes checked cause it was sexton on the ground beside Hogg when the physio comes in for him 😂 as for him being a dirty bastard, i don't see why your bias should be taken into account in an event where it was an accidental, although very clumsy, incident where he hadnt once taken his eye off the ball.

[@jacobperry838]

the fact you've even questioned king Nigel is just disgraceful in its self

[@potatomaniac2772]

True

[@ejones8360]

digon gwir.

[@dudleybb]

The only disgrace is the commentators. They are teaching the next generation to have no respect for the ref. Refs don't always make the correct call but respect should always be shown.

[@stevethea5250]

Some make very shit calls often but this was a fair yellow well done

[@johndennington5136]

Nigel was right. The commentators are whiners

[@tonyhollerz6958]

Honestly I think the refs were right. However I like the fact that the commentators were voicing their opinion instead of the current commentators who just agree with whatever the ref says, or the scoreboard says.

[@rawclipsandcrashes8413]

If any of u guys actually play rugby it’s not just what he lands on it’s how reckless it was that was a clear red card

[@peterhalpenny2089]

It was for sure a yellow card it was an in air collision and the Glasgow player came off slightly worse. It could very easily have been a red but could have been a yellow or red for Glasgow as well if it was just slightly different. I like commentators voicing their opinions however in this case I do think they were wrong. But it for sure was a yellow card

[@michaelglynn7010]

I’d trust Nigel over some commentators. He’s been a ref at the top level for a long time.

[@gregordouglass9116]

The commentators have also played rugby for years and the reason why chris patterson is so angry is because that stuff happened to him and the players weren't punished for it back then.

[@carstenobermeier4450]

@@gregordouglass9116 being a referee in another sport, I regularly find that players get it wrong. Not saying whether they are or not, but on balance, I would believe a referee to know the laws better than players.

[@dolanree4266]

What the commentators fail to acknowledge is the challenger actually looking up and the ball while running and ive been in that situation where the ball is almost down you for for it and boom there's somewhere else jumped for it

[@willlane9498]

@@gregordouglass9116 that doesn’t matter. At this point Nigel Owens was the most senior official in the world. I’d leave it to him to make the decision

[@willlane9498]

@@gregordouglass9116 but he’s never reffed. It was the correct decision you just had some biased bullshitting commentators

[@elliottjohns7549]

“Hogg’s game is done”. Completely irrelevant to the decision. How the player ends up injury wise is completely irrelevant to how any referee decides on what penalty is given

[@johnpollock7952]

You are absolutely right. The injury is not the reason for the card. The reason for a red card is there are laws to prevent injuries from happening. The 3 laws, all deserving of a red card in this case are No arms used to control the player No hands used in the contact and a shoulder was used Contact with a player in the air without controlling the contact And yes, the result of not abiding by the laws is that Hogg's game was over and moreso, could have been even more seriously injured

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock the laws you state all relate to a "tackle or charge being made". This wasn't either. Secondly, the theory is flawed, players can develop injuries 3, 6, 12 + hours after a game, what do we do then, go red card the player involved because he developed concussion? Decision was fair, citing commission agreed, move on!

[@nootnoot8886]

@@johnpollock7952 they jumped into each other he hit him with his arms and he nearly caught it you dafty

[@lmarislmarislmaris4271]

@@lonewolf6364 No, it is you missing the point. The laws are designed to minimize the potential for injury. You're obviously okay with players getting away with foul play if your god, not the laws, endorse it. And FWIW, a yellow in this instance when others have had to attend citing commissions for similar proves he got away with it.

[@lonewolf6364]

@@lmarislmarislmaris4271 again, the citing commission and the regulatory bodies agreed with Owen's decision. So apparently everyone is wrong except for yourself? Jog on.

[@joefothergill6303]

How is this disgraceful. Right decision made

[@thomasmusso1147]

RUBBISH! The Ref got it spot on.

[@johnpollock7952]

Pin up red card decision

[@nicholaswills843]

Good choice on the yellow. Clear violation of safety but doesn’t seem to be intentional harm. We make our judgement based on the action not the result. Would be a yellow if the defender was fine and is a yellow if the defender can’t return to play.

[@ParlezVousRugby]

really? Kearney was nowhere close to compete for the ball, he just launched himself into Hogg and while Hogg landed on the shoulder it was deliberate act and should be red card

[@chrismcdonagh1659]

@@ParlezVousRugby It wasn’t deliberate he had his eyes on the ball the whole time you could see it in the replay

[@nootnoot8886]

@@chrismcdonagh1659 yep I agree with you there mate and I’m Welsh

[@jayl9110]

It's not a disgrace at all. The laws of the game are crystal clear, that's a yellow only.

[@johnpollock7952]

Disgraceful and a red. Everyone in the stadium knew it.

[@niknak495]

Both players had eyes on the ball, unintentional contact and Hogg lands on shoulders. Completely careless but not enough for it to be a red. Good decision, Nigel. No idea what game the commentators are watching.

[@chunkyfxdls1878]

👏🏼

[@MrAgbxl]

As a glasgow fan it was obviously a yellow. It’s not a disgrace at all. Peter Wright is totally over the top and makes an arse of himself.

[@Jamahern123]

Like most commentators :)

[@karlosdeevs]

Yh. Peter Wright can go commentate football or even better just join the mad crowd, no need for his fodder in rugby.

[@johnpollock7952]

It was a red and every Glasgow fan in the stadium knew it. Where were you?

[@MrAgbxl]

@@johnpollock7952 stick to football

[@archierch0463]

Glasgow fan and I was there. Knew it was going to be a yellow when I saw the replay for the first time and I think Nigel was right.

[@darraghtormey1500]

Fair play to you pal. Well said.

[@caitlinbowen2788]

That was the right call stop being immature, they both went for it neither saw each other and then it happened, it’s a yellow card

[@johnpollock7952]

Doesn't matter. There are rules to prevent people getting consussions. You'll notice Hogg had concussion. Kearney made no attempt to help him land safely. He was reckless and its therefore a red

[@lonewolf6364]

Caitlin Bowen agreed Caitlin.

[@lukefaherty791]

@@johnpollock7952 he went up for the ball look where he was looking

[@tom7478]

Weird that a Scottish commentator thinks it’s a disgrace when his precious Hoggy takes a knock

[@midgetarmy154]

sorry chaps he was right, karney never stopped looking at the ball, pure accidentally contact and he landed on his shoulder not head - its a yellow - yes it looked nasty and I am sure it was for Hog, but no malice and direct head contact on landing he is right

[@kimbanzip]

The intent is not taken into consideration in the law. Its not a fair contest for the ball (kearney has his timing dead wrong) Hogg lands on head and shoulders If we follows the stricts rules it should be a red

[@jeffrey89095]

Kearneys timing is fine, number 21 changes his run to block Kearney and it blocks his view too. Not that it matters because hes all eyes for the ball anyways. Lands on his back and shoulder which is the deciding factor in aerial challenges (which is a stupid rule but the rule nonetheless)

[@donnachaoriordan8878]

He never made any attempt to jump either

[@nootnoot8886]

@@donnachaoriordan8878 are you blind I’m Welsh an do I saw him jump

[@donnachaoriordan8878]

@@nootnoot8886 Glasgow are a Scottish team and I’m Irish and I think it was a red

[@JakeRommer87]

Agreed, a yellow card all day. He was watching the ball the whole time. It’s rugby, people get hurt, stop being liberal

[@ifluxion]

I just had to laugh at "stop being liberal". lol

[@johnpollock7952]

Sounds like you've had a few concussions yourself. It's rugby, there are laws. 3 of those laws say this was a red. Look em uo

[@seantbr2019]

This is the best comment in this whole thread if you play a physical sport sooner or later you will get hurt Don't get all booty tickled when you get smacked in midair and land on your face because its bound to happen sometime in your career

[@bot8628]

@@seantbr2019 unless ur ppl like john here in the comments who doesn’t play and only whines when something happens that he doesn’t like

[@DarrylHart]

Not disgraceful at all. Nigel got it right. No more than a yellow.

[@johnpollock7952]

Hogg concussion Kearney no attempt to control the player Used shoulder No hands used In the air How many reasons would you like for a red card?

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock give up John, people think it's a right call, you don't, we get it.. Unfortunately the review board, citing commission and dozens of experienced referees all think you're wrong. But, keep banging that bin lid!

[@notbond_5390]

@@johnpollock7952 using a shoulder in normal play isn't a red

[@bristolrovers27]

Drama queens behind the microphone Yellow is ok, wouldn’t have complained at a red but it was careless rather than reckless

[@jameswyatt8593]

This is just Nigel Owens once again showing that he is the best ref in the world, keeps control of the match without influence of the crowd. Right call made. Commentators are biased

[@Outspoken.Humanist]

Both players had their eye on the ball. It was unfortunate but in no way deliberate or malicious. When the commentators get so excited that they cannot see what the officials saw, even in replay, it is not surprising that players lose their cool. That is precisely why we have the 4th official, to ensure decisions are correct and not influenced by emotion.

[@TyronePatOne]

The only disgraceful thing about this clip are the commentators over the top partisan reactions!

[@hsr.babY123]

Exactly my thoughts. The two belong to soccer, not rugby.

[@alcoyne3333333333333]

Spot on

[@johnpollock7952]

Red card

[@SynGates92]

I’m Scottish and even I think that was the right decision The player was watching the ball the whole time not Hogg

[@MikeThomassen]

Well, first of all, it's the correct discision with a yellow card. A referee can't, and shouldn't, give a card based on; "can the player recieving the tackle, continue". So many factors, and lot's of luck/unluck, goes into a situation, that decides if a player is too injured to continue. It's just the wrong view on the referee's role in sport. A referee looks at the tackle as a whole, and makes a discision... That being said, had this been a red card, I still don't think it would have been a massive mistake by the referees. It would have been harsh, the entirety of the tackle taken into account, but it would have been understandable, because of the effect of the tackle. This situation is "orange", and it's more about the game as a whole, and where the line for the game has been drawn, and for this reason, I think that yellow card is correct... I think the commentators gets carried away from the center of making the discisions, and gets more into the fringes of the discision. They loose perspective of the whole game, because they focus too much on the effect itself, and not the situation as a whole. I hope that they correct their focus for upcomming commentating :-)

[@merillreadett]

Mike Thomassen was the chaser ever in a realistic position to challenge for the ball? It was reckless and the catcher lands on shoulder/neck/head simultaneously so how do you justify it being a yellow over a red? Player safety must be the most important factor in decision making and the catcher at no point was protected..

[@MikeThomassen]

@@merillreadett - A fair point, and I agree on some areas. It was reckless - yes (partly), explanation further down. It was dangerous - yes. The catcher lands on his shoulder and bottom-neck - yes. This is now where I respectful disagrees. Could the chaser challange for the ball - yes, in my opinion. Player safety most be the most important factor in decision making - I partly agree. It IS an important factor, but not the only factor in decision making. My "justification" is thus: The chaser has full focus on the ball, as he chases it. The catcher gets the ball first, and the chaser hits the catcher from the side, with force, creating a situation where the catcher is no longer in full control of his body, and as a result of that the catcher lands on his top-shoulder and bottom-neck. I don't see the chaser's challenge for the ball as unrealistic or deliberate dangerous towards the catcher. Consequently, the late contact is the responsibility of the chaser, and a yellow card for being careless is, for me, correct. However, I'd like to end by repeating: Had it been a red card, I still don't think it would had been a massive mistake, because this situation is really on the border of yellow and red. I think it would had been slightly harsh, because of aformentioned reasons...

[@leighhadley9653]

Moaning Scots in commentary. It was a yellow card, what’s the disgrace? The commentary?

[@rawclipsandcrashes8413]

Comming from someone who probably doesn’t no what they are talking about

[@leighhadley9653]

@@rawclipsandcrashes8413 reading your other comments I’m confident I know a hell of a lot more than you regarding the laws and the interpretation of the laws of the game.

[@rawclipsandcrashes8413]

@@leighhadley9653 pahahahaha do u fuck

[@GeniusLad32]

What shite are these commentators spouting? It's an easy yellow, an incredibly soft red.

[@johnpollock7952]

Hard red. Pin up of why these challenges are a red.

[@kochoc6099]

I'm getting sick and tired with every aspect of Scottish Rugby. Their Union handled themselves pathetically at the World Cup. Threatening to go to the court of arbitration. Their team are, and have been for as long as I can remember not worth two bob. Like Japan showed at the World Cup. The Supporters are embarrassing, start booing the opposition at the drop of a hat. Finally you've got ridiculously biased commentators like this, who don't know what they're talking about.

[@welshtoro3256]

Strong words but I can't think of a single thing to contradict. I remember saying the same thing during the World Cup. All the big talk but Japan booting them out of the cup summed it all up really.

[@thomasmusso1147]

Perhaps they're all starting to behave like the 'Football Fraternity' .. Fans, Players and Commentators? No place in Rugby for any of that .. Past, Present and Future.

[@michaelsimpson4400]

Did he have a realistic chance of catching the ball = No -> Foul play as contact in the air Then where does he land = back and side -> Yellow card (Had he landed on head/neck, it would have been red) Completely correct decision based on the laws. May not like it, but he applied the laws.

[@pengurugby1346]

People blaming the ref when he’s applying the laws have a problem maybe we should try and change the laws instead of blaming refs

[@johnpollock7952]

The laws are clear. Kearney was out of control. Red. Hogg literally went off with concussion. Whether it was back shoulders etc doesn't matter.

[@michaelmacleod4713]

The commentary was the only disgraceful act in this clip.

[@davidanderson4091]

Looks like yellow card to me. The only thing disgraceful about this video is the whinging of the commentators.

[@rieske2000]

Yellow. That is a fair call.

[@johnpollock7952]

No hands, uses shoulder, in the air. Red, red, red thanks

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock pity the review board and citing commission also disagree with you John.......

[@nootnoot8886]

@@lonewolf6364 Johns an idiot

[@cianofiaich]

@@johnpollock7952 incorrect

[@chrisryan464]

You’re not a twat sorry . Your a biased twat

[@abdhbwdjnow3519]

Great decision!! Perfect refereeing. He lands on his back and shoulder therefore it’s not a red. Also, he is clearly competing for the ball. If neither were done then it was a red. However it’s an amazing decision taking all rules in to play!

[@colharris5283]

He had no realistic chance of getting the ball, regardless of your alliegances, it was a poor decision.

[@talen67]

Nigel Owens is the best there is, and still people here think they know better .....

[@johnpollock7952]

@@talen67 if you were at that game, no one was coming away saying Nigel is the best. I used to believe that, but there were some clear decisions in this game that the correct calls were not made. You can look up the laws yourself. Head and/or upper body is the quote for you. Nigel quoted something else.

[@jeffrey89095]

@@johnpollock7952 "upper body" nonsense, its head or neck vs shoulders and back, he gets a hand down and comes down on his shoulders and back.

[@nootnoot8886]

@@colharris5283 he nearly caught it lol I’m Welsh and I realise

[@robyemm9117]

Eye contact remained on the ball, shoulder hit the ground first, clear YELLOW card. Commentators were talking crap

[@johnpollock7952]

Eye contact has nothing to do with it, he's out of control. Red card. Nigel wouldn't be making eye contact with Hogg after this, mainly because Hogg was concussed out his brain.

[@jameslynch2611]

Never a red card, Kearney was committed to the kick and had his eyes on the ball the whole time and he wasn't late, he was contesting for the ball. Just to finish, 'Hogg is out, Hogg is out, Hogg all the involuntary hand movements' what is all that about???

[@dooglasii]

Wrong actually, the fact Hogg doesn't land on his head/neck first is why it wasnt a red. Kearney is in a unrealistic position to catch that ball, commitment and eyes up mean nothing when you are that far off

[@IMAxBlackArrow]

@@dooglasii But they do mean something, they mean there was no intent, yes he was in no way going to catch that ball, but it was not malicious, it was just dangerous play, and that with the fact that it was a shoulder landing is why it was a yellow yes, but the fact he was watching the ball does matter.

[@dooglasii]

@@IMAxBlackArrow intent means nothing on the field. That's for the judiciary committee. Based on the jump being significantly longer then it is high, the player knows they have a low shot of catching the ball. That's Reckless and as such the player is liable to penalty + yc or rc pending the outcome.

[@peterbmeadows2000]

Totally over-reactive biased commentator! Careless by anyone’s standards but not deliberate. Perfectly entitled to challenge for it in the air but Hogg came off worse. Nigel Owens was cool as usual with a fair decision given the volatile response around him.

[@johnpollock7952]

The problem is he did not challenge for it in the air. He cleared Hogg out with his shoulder making no attempt on the ball, no attempt to control the landing, used a shoulder, no arms, in the air. Check the laws please, you'll look less stupid

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock you are the one that looks stupid here John...

[@nootnoot8886]

@@johnpollock7952 he jumped for the ball and he was always looking at the ball timing wrong because he got blocked yellow card good decision by Nigel I’m Welsh if anyone is curious

[@joezinho0]

His eyes never left the ball, get over it

[@leodevenney2896]

Are you serious? Red card? Come on this was a tackle that both were committed , both had eyes on ball at all times, only issue was mistiming, yellow card was sufficent as there was no maluce and no head to ground contact as he landed on his shoulder

[@johnpollock7952]

Leo look up the laws of the game, Kearney was only committed with his shoulder, no arms, in the air, doesn't matter how he lands

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock wrong again John :)

[@darraghtormey1500]

@@johnpollock7952 Wow John. Cop the fuck on.!!!!!!

[@williamhagan8165]

Those commentators should not be allowed commentate again. No matter if the decision is wrong or right you must respect the ref and quite crying about it

[@johnpollock7952]

And you must respect the player too. Hogg got fuck all respect from Nigel here.

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock did you watch the game at all? Clearly not the same one everyone else did. A penalty and Yellow Card was issued. God you're such a whinging mope that quotes irrelevant laws and does not understand interpretation!

[@sumboi2321]

Pretty sure this coverage is from BBC Alba/Scotland. Commentators were always gonna be biased

[@topcat4643]

The guy in the blue wasn’t looking at the player he was looking at the ball.....just an accident, not a deliberate incident.....sorry pal it’s not disgraceful...Nigel Owens was spot on decision

[@sparky3772]

Ian Leslie 👏🏻👏🏻

[@robnicholas6169]

Agreed

[@jacoventer4580]

And he landed on his back not his head, agree with nigel

[@lmarislmarislmaris4271]

Intentional negligence is NOT an accident. It was his intended outcome. The ball catcher was taken out, wasn't allowed to play the ball.

[@jonathanlowe1095]

Biased and hysterical reaction to a typically sensible decision by Nigel Owens by pathetic Scottish commentators.

[@johnpollock7952]

Sounds like you are a bit bised yourself there. It's a clear red in anybody's book. It's not sensible to allow people to cause head trauma and leave it unpunished.

[@lonewolf6364]

Jonathan Lowe i've seen John Pollock reply to near every response "it is a clear red", clearly unable to analyse the situation without an emotion filled response. I agree, Nigel made the right call.

[@caitlinbowen2788]

John Pollock do you have a life doing anything else 😂 You reply to every comment, get a hobby 😂

[@ianb6343]

Only had eyes for the ball. Yes careless but theres no way thats a red card

[@doc2960]

“And Kearney kicked the physio”…. Erm, no he didn’t

[@conorewings9345]

Some fly half Kearney is 😂

[@MKRM27]

Why is the yellow a bad choice? It was obviously accidental, but unsafe. Yellow.

[@gerrycollins2335]

Yellow for me. And I'm neither Scottish nor Irish.

[@occamraiser]

I'm English and it's only a yellow because of the howls of the crowd - on a normal day in a normal match it would be a penalty and a telling off.

[@terrydavidson5052]

Nigel was right

[@johnpollock7952]

Nigel is a cheat

[@flamadiddledoo]

Yellow card, the commentator clearly does not have a clue and should stick to football

[@docdr7199]

The Commentator is a former British & Irish Lions Rugby player who hasn't played football.😉

[@lonewolf6364]

Mystic gamer his point was the incorrect use of "football".. You missed the joke....

[@myopenmind527]

It was a yellow. His eyes were on the ball and there were two Glasgow players between him and Hogg. The latter in part are responsible for what happened to Hogg. This was just an accidental collision. I know a lot of Glasgow supporters will disagree. Nigel once again was spot on with his decision.

[@peteryoungpeteryoung965]

Spot on Nigel, there was no intent, Carney was watching the ball and not aiming to hit Hogg, they just collided, it happens all the time. These Jock commentators are so biased, get a life guys. As Nigel would say, "this is not soccer".

[@willlane9498]

Correct decision

[@johnpollock7952]

Bought decision, like all these fake accounts

[@willjones4437]

It’s a yellow card as he didn’t land in his head and he was looking at the ball the entire time and didn’t see Stuart

[@johnpollock7952]

He needs his eyes tested then. Its a red for 3 things, he doesn't control the players landing, he uses his shoulder, he uses no arms. Red all day

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock wrong here too John..

[@bot8628]

@@johnpollock7952 1)u can’t control the player landing when u compete for the ball 2)he doesn’t use his shoulder 3)he uses arms 4) ur a fucking salty scot go sit down and use ur eyes

[@kayjonesy1983]

Right decision. Biased commentator.

[@johnpollock7952]

Red all day

[@mrbroeders]

This video title is a joke. It was not deliberate.

[@stephen2327]

Kearney had his eye on the ball. Never a red

[@johnpollock7952]

Shoulder barge on the ground, red Shoulder barge in the air, certainly a red Go learn your fuckin rugby

[@willrees7652]

@@johnpollock7952 if he had landed on his neck or head it would have been a red but he didn't

[@johnpollock7952]

@@willrees7652 it doesn't matter a fuck in this instance. It is only by chance where he lands because Kearney has zero control. Head, neck, no matter, please looks up the laws and you'll find another 2 or 3 reasons other than head or neck that mean this is red

[@darraghtormey1500]

@@johnpollock7952 Wise words indeed. Now look in the mirror." GLYFR." Indeed.!!

[@willrees7652]

@@johnpollock7952 mate it's not a red 😂

[@nicholaswhite3811]

My only disappointment in this is that the commentators won’t read this and understand what complete and utter fools they made of themselves. They watched the replay several times and still did not see what actually happened. Nigel Owens made the correct decision. These commentators are a disgrace.

[@karlosdeevs]

It's only the co. commentator Peter Wright whose a disgrace, I fully get the main commentator (don't know his name) he was taken aback but usually quite humble.

[@johnpollock7952]

Red card all day. I watched it from 10 yards away. Didn't need the commentators to tell me this was disgraceful

[@nicholaswhite3811]

@@johnpollock7952 if you were that close there is no excuse for not realising Nigel Owens made the correct decision.

[@SilverBicycle]

Commentators are completely off the mark here. They're just rabble rousers. Yeah...it's a yellow, but definitely not a red. Blue player is allowed to compete for the ball...and is committed to gathering it if black fails to catch it. It would have been a pretty disgraceful red card. Good one ref.

[@karlosdeevs]

mainly a rouser called Peter Wright

[@johnpollock7952]

Red

[@j0esh91]

The only disgrace here is anybody thinking Nigel Owens is able to make wrong decisions.

[@ahriman935]

He is able, he is as much human as any of us. That said, he is *exceptionally* adept at avoiding making such bad decisions, the only disgrace here is actually commentators.

[@iangascoigne8231]

It wasn’t just Owens decision was it? The TMO was involved as well. As for the commentators, being Scottish their bias showed through.

[@Joe_Kennedy_Lynch]

No not True sometimes people make wrong decisions but in this case right decision well done Nigel Owens

[@iangascoigne8231]

@@Joe_Kennedy_Lynch What’s not true the Scottish commentators bias or the TMO being involved?

[@Joe_Kennedy_Lynch]

@@iangascoigne8231 the tmo was involved and the commentators were baised

[@frankygib]

That was a good decision. It was a clumsy challenge and he got the timing wrong. No malice.

[@keepthemhonest2]

really bad title. It was definitely at least a yellow due to the way he landed. However there was also nothing to make it a red. Yellow was the correct call.

[@FollaChaat]

I think the title is just a quote from the commentator

[@Darth-Malgus498]

@@FollaChaat I agree

[@johnpollock7952]

It was a red all day

[@DevSolar]

"Let's hear what Nigel Owens has to say." -- And then they talk right over everything he says instead of trying to listen.

[@JamesBrown-xt8om]

That is yellow at best. Both looking at the ball. Nigel has not had a good world cup but that call is on point

[@cheadycheady2040]

Bull shit, that was the correct decision everyday of the week....

[@gunner678]

Yellow card exactly the right decision. He was clearly going for the ball not the player, but he should have been more cautious. Did not deserve a red definately not.

[@gunner678]

@Will. R exactly

[@bluegaming8302]

If you watch closely Rob Kearney completed for the ball as well as hog did! Great decision Mr. Owens!

[@frankygib]

Nigel was quite right. Good decision. Carney was obstructed by another player and got his timing wrong resulting in a clumsy challenge. He apologised and that should have been the end of it but These days it has to be yellow. Good decisuion by a good ref.

[@max05_13]

frankygib I agree he had his eyes on the ball and he didn’t go as high as Hogg

[@johnpollock7952]

He made no attempt to wrap his arms around him at all. Completely out of control. Red

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock wrong pal..

[@jackdeegan3617]

@@johnpollock7952 Why would blue wrap his arms around him when he was going for the ball and the other guy was in the air?.

[@roachda1n]

Fine call

[@toffieandsooty]

More like the commentary is a disgrace

[@johnpollock7952]

Red

[@robertsnare1411]

The commentators need to make a booking at Specsavers!

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

Owens got it right it was only a yellow

[@tuluvota]

it was the right call.. they both went for the ball.. dude in blue had his eyes on the ball the whole time...Nigel was spot on imo

[@saberint]

Good call Nigel. Maybe the commentators could try shutting up and actually watch the game

[@johnpollock7952]

Red under law 9 Nos 11, 13, 16, 17, 18 I think that's enough. Commentators know their rugby 👍

[@bot8628]

@@johnpollock7952 well if that’s the laws then y didn’t the tmo, the professional referees on the pitch, and the other ppl think otherwise. exactly cos it wasn’t a red

[@chrisryan464]

@@johnpollock7952 fuck sake John !!

[@kevinlee7499]

If that was a red card, you might as well forget making a tackle in Rugby.

[@johnpollock7952]

If that isn't a red card you would end up with no backs left to play because they'd all be ruled out of the game from brain injuries

[@nootnoot8886]

@@johnpollock7952you are the only person saying stuff like that hmmm I wonder why....

[@chrisryan464]

Pollock you are a twat

[@timkelliher3737]

talk about sensationalised commentary

[@spleenrz0116]

Nothing about browns tackle on Mcgrath. ..Although karma was dually served.....Kearney had his eyes on the ball ..not intentional and not red

[@jessran70]

Oh we want to moan about that do we? How Leinster forwards holding Steyn in the ruck and Nige knee jerking with a ridiculous yellow card? You want to discuss that or let me guess it doesn't fit the narrative?

[@jackdeegan3617]

@@jessran70 ah jessy for fuck sake get a job and stop moaning like a girl. Is it the same diving Hogg that tried to get a player yellow carded a couple of years ago and had to be told that this isn't football?. Lol the way you are talking you'd think that the Scots are saints.

[@seancurragh8087]

Great call by Nigel landed on his shoulder. Anything to the head is red

[@TyronePatOne]

Nigel as usual, got it spot on. Kearney had eyes on the ball and would have got there sooner, had it not been for the Scots body check previously. Those commentators were obviously borrowed from some soccer game that was postponed.

[@johnpollock7952]

Red card, Nigel clearly bought for this whole game with this decision the proof in the pudding

[@maximusprimus1]

Fair decision, he was looking at the ball, he is not the type of player to deliberately get any player.

[@benoshea1236]

The title of this video is absolutely disgraceful Kearney’s eyes was always on the ball and Hogg landed on his shoulders Nigel Owens was right so whoever made this video u need to rethink everything about this video

[@jqkob7407]

Ben O’Shea He just quoted the commentator.

[@MrEllisgomersall]

Eyes on the ball the entire time. Stop being soft

[@jamescooper8864]

its a yellow not a red, there is no intention there. Nigel Owens is probably one of the best refs there is and has ever been!

[@jonathanmillar9415]

James Cooper fuck up no one asked , red card everyday

[@bot8628]

@@jonathanmillar9415 salty scots

[@jonathanmillar9415]

@@bot8628 wee bit late mate 👍

[@archiesutherland6127]

Clearley a yellow. The commentary is anoying

[@davidthomas5261]

Nigel was right as normal,

[@endahynes2596]

Not once did Kearney look at Hogg he just looked and went for the ball

[@cgpurple8989]

Nigel is a top ref that is a good decision

[@lordlucan9351]

True fact...Owens likes it up his entrails.

[@johnpollock7952]

Top paid ref.

[@danielthomas7903]

I don’t really get how this is disgraceful? It’s a yellow all day long. Genuine contest for the ball. He’s late, which is why it’s a yellow.

[@tadhgoconnor434]

Owens was correct again, only disgrace was the commentary.

[@andrexadoh]

Title of this vid and commentators are stupid. Was the right decision. No intentional in air tackle. just bad timing and was trying to avoid after he saw he was not going to get the ball

[@callumlloyd4779]

Eyes on the ball and he lands on his back - was never a red card, always a yellow one.

[@johnpollock7952]

Doesn't matter where you're looking if you are a car crash. No arms, uses shoulder, in the air. Red, red, red

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock wrong. Happy to keep finding your posts and reminding you too!

[@johnpollock7952]

@@lonewolf6364 Happy to keep setting you straight. Laws say head and/or upper body. Nigel should know that!! He hit his head, enough to be knocked our for a second. Red

[@bot8628]

@@johnpollock7952 jus cos he hit his head doesnt mean it’s a red. that’s like saying if u tackle some1 and their head bounces of the ground when they land then it’s a red

[@hellothere9962]

Not disgraceful at all the only yellow should have been to the players who started the fight

[@IonutTudorica]

It was accidental. Blue followed the ball. Good decision

[@theangrygamer895]

Nigel is one of the top refs in the game and I think the yellow is just. When you chase a ball down like that you never take your eyes off it and collisions are just part of the game. You can see it wasnt intentional. If anything when he kicked the ball another player tried to shoulder barge him off his line which could have been a yellow aswel.

[@gillesguillaumin6603]

And the Glasgow player jumped with his knee directly to the head of the other one. Not very fair-play.

[@JoostMehrtens]

Law 10.4 reads: Play on - Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play on Penalty only - Fair challenge with wrong timing - No pulling down Yellow card - Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side Red card - It’s not a fair challenge with no contest, whilst being a reckless or deliberate foul play action and the player lands in a dangerous position. A pretty experienced ref took his time to look at the event and made a decision in consultation with 3 others who have been tested on their knowledge. And based on the above there is a case to be made for yellow or just a penalty, a red well... maybe but it is surely not obvious. So why is it disgraceful? A bit more justification would be appropriate, otherwise it just looks like your emotions hinder your decision making.

[@RoyBattyLives]

Commentators should be given red cards.

[@SAMBARRY7171]

yh

[@garethcollocott6310]

That is correctly called as yellow, that is not a red card at all.

[@CRETIVE-dp1ef]

Gareth Collocott are you taking the piss

[@alcoyne3333333333333]

1 I've looked at this a few times and Carney never stopped or kicked at any Physio coming on the pitch ( like to commentator said he did ) 2 the Ref was spot on.. Bad commentators looking for headlines are Destroying our wonderful game all the time now.. most of the time I have the sound turned off when I look at games on English media..

[@joepunk90]

It was Sexton kicking out around the 10 second mark. So not the only thing the commentators got wrong during this clip.. :)

[@karlosdeevs]

@@joepunk90 Na man, sexton went down for a stretch. Awful position to do it right in front of hogg and be in the way of the physios. But honestly that was by no means an intended kick, more like leveeing out his leg before stretching.

[@joepunk90]

@@karlosdeevs For sure. i wasn't suggesting there was any intent in the kick/stretch/whatever. Just saying how the commentators got it wrong.

[@lonewolf6364]

The title of this video is absoloutly disgraceful, and clearly made by someone who does not know the laws nor interpretations of the game. Further, Nigel is one of if not the best in the world, no decision has ever been, nor would ever be, disgraceful. Thumbs down.

[@johnpollock7952]

Lone wolf teach us the laws please. 1) no hands 2) no control 3) reckless Any more you want for a red?

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock firstly how can you wrap a tackle you don't intend to make? In addition, 1) Eyes on the ball (mitigation and serves as a further mitigation for intent), 2) body - to - body contact (non charge contact of a shoulder, elbow, head) which was made to the hip (by the side chest) being a non dangerous body area, 3) unable to control descent due to tackling player fall (as a result of no intent the player fell over and could not assist in descent of the tackled player- futher mitigation, 4) player did not land on a dangerous body part (head or neck) resulting in a lower determination of risk and was careless not reckless. 5) Yellow card for a poorly times careless tackle, which in the eyes of the laws of the game, is a fair penalty.

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock i've read all your other comments, but unfortunately I disagree with you. As an 18 years referee, I agree with the onfield decision. Not because I am a referee, but within the confines of the laws of the game, without emotion, and merely objective reasoning, with mitigtion, it is sound on this occasion. Coincidentally, both the Referee, one of if not the worlds best mind you, the video Referee, adjudication panel and post match review committee, all agree. You're entitled to your opinion John, but I genuinely think this is a sound decision. I will also say, in all fairness, a Red card would probably have been equally as criticised as right or wrong. It was definitely a border line call either way, and both would probably be right depending on who you asked.

[@johnpollock7952]

@@lonewolf6364 I think you're living in the past. If you endanger a player intent isn't an excuse any more. Kearney jumped after Hogg and across through his landing zone. Ending up in him charging him with a shoulder in the air. Now say that again, charging him with a shoulder through the air, which ended up with Hogg landing on his head and upper body which is the definition in the laws, whether Nigel wants to use it or not. That's all that matters now, intent is not a mitigating factor in those circumstances. Same as a wrap round the neck might start lower on the body, intentional or not it is an immediate yellow and poasible red in the circumstances. Protect the players! It was needless and reckless and did put a player's health in danger, so much so he couldn't play on.

[@lonewolf6364]

John Pollock look at DP Rule 13, 16, 17. For these sections to be made out, the player must be engaged in a tackle. He was not in any way, engaged in a tackle or charge, his eyes were up the entire time. Some have argued the receiver endangered him by jumping into his path, knee to shoulder height. International referees, with decades of experience, the citing commission and the referees review board have all agreed with the decision. You can have you're opinion, but it doesn't mean you are right.. Good day sir.

[@Andy-yf8xd]

Both of them had eyes on the ball the whole time,no more than a yellow

[@johnpollock7952]

Red

[@Andy-yf8xd]

@John Pollock 🤔 agree to disagree 😉

[@meatballg8655]

Dangerous yes, malicious no, intentional no. He was watching the ball and not looking where he was going, he ran into the player without looking and caused injury. It’s an easy yellow but without malicious intent (him having the eye on the ball is evident of this) it’s not a straight red

[@spl2572]

If you have read down this list pretty much everyone thinks the way the ref did, the only person with a different view was the ar5ehole commentator and I don't even think the guy that downloaded it believes it was red, I think he may have just used it to tempt people to listen to the commentator. Either that or he is a little biased shall we say. Nigel Owens - fantastic ref who may occasionally make mistakes (one a year) but this was not one of them.

[@charlesw852]

These are the worst commentators.

[@enzosmal7204]

It's a yellow card because it counts as tackling the man in the air and it's also a yellow card because he didn't land on his neck or his head and he landed on his hip. So that's a perfectly fine call by Nigel Owens. That's why his named one of the best referees

[@docdr7199]

How did his brain get injured if he only landed on his hip?

[@swhan]

Nice to hear good, impartial commentators here! Absolutely no favoritism being shown towards either team! Aye, right!!

[@johnpollock7952]

Red