Why do audiophiles hate Bose?

[@mdpeterman]

Bose 901s were never meant to be in the corner. If you follow the instructions, they should be ~3 feet from the corner, parallel to your front wall. If you angle them to the corner you are doing it wrong.

[@starplatinum96]

HATE is such a strong word, I prefer the term DESPISE

[@evilcab]

For most people, a bose or sonos system is more than enough. they don't have the time/drive to research and audition every single part of their home theater setup. Anything better than the TV speaker is an upgrade.

[@Wallasmod]

I would also like to add that most people will be unable to notice the difference between a Bose system and a high-end system in terms of sound quality.

[@lifehacker123]

@@Wallasmod I own some really really good headphones. And most of my coworkers really can’t tell which headphone is the good one. The ONLY thing that counts for them is how loud the bass is. The more the better… it’s really horrible how “regular” people can’t tell what’s actually good.

[@willng34]

In sonos defense, their arc sound bar does actually sound really good for movies. Best atmos I have listened and the price is quite fair. for music it lacked clarity and definition, but the low end was pretty impressive for the size.

[@thomasellis7625]

Which is exactly why buying an Edifier system for $150CAD is so much of a better option

[@mouser78]

@@lifehacker123 I have a friend who has a JBL 301 Partybox which he likes to take into his tiny bathroom to play some bass heavy music. A nightmare for my ears but when he hears my +10k system he doesn't hear the detail, bass extension, separation, soundstage or sweet mids, he only hears a lack of bass slam. When you want to impress "regular" people with the "quality" of your system, you just need to be able to pressurize the room with low frequencies, I guess the same goes for headphones.

[@angelof9431]

My 901' Series VI sound amazing. Especially when you throw some watts at them. The trick is installing them correctly. I will say that the newer stuff, (wireless, home theater in a box) is not all that great.

[@boedilllard5952]

The other trick is to be legally deaf or dead.

[@TheCangle]

Reminds me of the scene in the movie Click where the kid says "My father's stereo is a Bose" and Adam Sandler says "Your father's stereo blows?". This has always stuck in my mind in relation to Bose however I have nothing against their products although I wouldn't personally purchase any of them unless it was ANC headphones for travel.

[@skengasaurus]

i remember this guy i'd see from time to time a few years ago at a place i hung out, he'd grown up very privileged and still had a lot of his family's money. used to tell everyone about his "bose 7.1 car audio system", telling ppl they "haven't heard music until it was in 7.1" (its "true form"). Tried to explain that it was somewhat arbitrary DSP from 2-channel recordings - it had no effect. personally i thought it totally butchered recordings, tho i'd never say that. he loved it and ofc that's what's most important

[@nicholashaggkvist2905]

My mom has Bose, I have Audio-Technica and Empire Ears. She’s happy that hers works easily, and I’m happy with my detail.

[@falcon048]

Back when I sold stereo equipment 95-97, we had a saying, "All Highs, All Lows....must be BOSE!" This was mostly aimed towards their satellite speaker system called Accoustimass. The 901s had A LOT more going for them than just rear-firing drivers. The voice coils were made of Titanium. It could produce an insane amount of air, which is how it is able to get fairly low bass frequency. It is comprised of 11 mid-range drivers. The EQ was required to off-set the signals so that they wouldn't meet up and cancel each other out. It was designed to interweave the sound together. They were fairly bad ass for the time. No conventional stereo system could blow them. Some guy had to connect them to an arc-welding AMP to blow them. In later years, BOSE realized it was better to trick the audience than to produce "good" sound. They still use active equalizers to amp up the treble and the bass, while they reduce mid-range. The mixture of high frequency when it hits low frequency, creates an illusion of mid-range. Like mixing Black and White paint to get Gray, instead of finding a natural Gray pigment. It's cheaper and more energy efficient. You may notice that NO BOSE product made today will list its supported frequency response. They don't want you to know. Because it is engineered to roll off and amp up in specific areas.

[@hermanknief]

Bose used 9 identical drivers per enclosure, each handling 30 watts which is why they were able to claim such high power ratings. There was no internal crossover (which is why you had to use their active EQ). They were a manufacturers dream in terms of the parts required to build them. They can sound okay if setup properly, but like any speaker that is sensitive to placement, they are not great otherwise.

[@spazco8669]

having armchair reviewers declare boss headphones as 'the best over ear headphones you can get' doesn't help.

[@bladelefusyn3337]

You'll find that in any department, most humans will fight to the death over what's the "best". Trust your Ears and Enjoy the Music, that's what is the *best*.

[@xyanide1986]

They're all thinly veiled paid ads

[@possiblyinsane6995]

i think a lot of audiophiles are just gear heads who don't realize that hi fi is just a byproduct of gear and that it's really the gear they are in love with. i know for me, i wouldn't consider myself an audiophile but what attracts me is the hifi gear. im also attracted to non hifi gear, so bose is cool with me.

[@billyreastmanjr6176]

I have a set of 901s I bought back in the 80's and let me tell you when you set them up right like space them away from a wall they sound great and can handle any power you throw at them.

[@corneliussmith5875]

My parents have never had a sound bar for there tv. It’s just a bar and then a separate wireless subwoofer. It’s just a LG branded one but coming from our tv speakers to even a 2-300 dollar set up can do wonders.

[@johnnixon2504]

I will say, their $1000 real aviation headsets are amazing.

[@foodparadise5792]

Nah, I stick with david clark

[@KosherPorky]

I find that interesting.. As anecdotally from people I've heard that used them professionally, they really weren't that great or durable

[@johnnixon2504]

I like the comfort, light weight and ANC. Now i will admit, the light weight leads to some durability issues if they aren’t handled carefully in transport.

[@mictow]

Using them on aviation or as regular basis? Why?

[@johnnixon2504]

Aviation. The active noise canceling doesn’t feel as overwhelming as some others. They don’t give me the “pressure” feeling on my ears like some noise canceling headphones can.

[@xyanide1986]

Probably the same reason that studio engineers hate anything labelled "audiophile". Is the community ready to move on from hating Bose and start hating Sonos yet?

[@danielrhoden2973]

301's were my first big boy HiFi purchase at 14 years old. They provided me with multiple life lessons. Not only "if it sounds gimmicky it's a gimmick." But also "I'm not so sure about my Dad's advice anymore."

[@jamesm568]

I personally consider Sonos to be low end equipment down there with Jensen.

[@AngryManSki]

I’ve always looked at Bose as a consumer standard for sound. They recognized convenience as a powerful tool, and developed products that just worked. I recommend them for people that want a set and forget system.

[@Doegiz]

The problem I think many see with companies like Bose, and for that matter brands like Beats/Apple in general, I feel its a given that they capitalize on the general ignorance of those who aren't balls deep into the hobby. There are people for every market that aren't really apt to do much research on what they buy as they either don't have the time or just don't care. They just want something that sounds perceivably nice for their budget compared to the selection they see at a given place like Walmart and will forever go without knowing there may be much better for their money elsewhere, and businesses will always capitalize on this especially when the average consumer will place a lot of value upon looks alone and it shows when the more popular brands like Apple and Bose focus on making their products more aesthetically pleasing rather than focusing more on the actual Utility of the product for the money.

[@scottbaylor6215]

Bose knows their target audience. And audiophiles aren't it. Sorry but it's true.

[@MurseTech64]

Bose's modern DSP is amazing as well as their waveguides and phaseguides.

[@jvchoer]

I have 2 bose panaray ma12 in black. in combination with 2 subwoofers. I have connected this to 2 amplifier with crossover and mixer. And that goes like a train and that sounds fantastic

[@brianog5267]

18 years ago I almost bought a marantz 1164 receiver with 6 ohm impedance and paired it with a set of 6666 b1-323 bang and olefsen speakers and a Bower and Wilkins 5357 subdwoofer with 5000 watts and 0.532 hertz of back speed…. Fortunately my wife made me buy the lifestyle 48 with tiny speakers great sounds unobtrusive equipment simple to use and still going strong 18 years later……

[@brandonburr4900]

Us audiofools need to constantly remind ourselves of how small of a market we make up. I think many audiophiles over the year have falling for the bose marketing. Some feel bad for admitting it. I know I fell for it back in the day. Should have went for the infinity reference speakers looking back in the same demo room lol. Another thing that has helped bose establish their name is their premium audio systems in automobile market. Been huge in that market for years. Seen other speaker manufacturers get more in that market over the years. If I had to guess I would still say bose has a good chunk of the auto premium sound market. As much as I don't like bose you have to respect their marketing campaign over the years. Their is a reason why they have become as big as they are. Like it or not.

[@classicgalactica5879]

Same with Apple products or Sony television sets. People never learn.

[@thegoat164]

@@classicgalactica5879 Sony makes the best TVs mister.

[@brooklynknightss]

I bought a pair of Bose 301s III back in 93 and still run them as my rears!! I love them. I could easily upgrade them but see no reason to. Running a Yamaha aventage 3060 with definitive technology bp20s up front!! Great music!!!!

[@brooklynknightss]

@🍄Personal Shaman🍄 to bad bose got out of the big speaker business

[@brooklynknightss]

@🍄Personal Shaman🍄 yeah if you look around you can find some great ones... Ebay offerup reverb

[@brooklynknightss]

@🍄Personal Shaman🍄 my father inlaw has a nice pair of the 10.2s tower

[@brooklynknightss]

@🍄Personal Shaman🍄 of course the classic 901s

[@spintroxy5336]

What educational path should I follow If i want to start my own headphone company, building driver units myself, also I want to produce dacs and amps, what degree and courses should i follow

[@mattbyrnes4171]

Do yourself a favor and check out Jason Stoddard's thread over on Head-Fi. He is one of the founders/owner of Schiit Audio. There's a link to it on their site too. Mike Moffat also has a blog (the other co-founder and digital guy), but it covers all sorts of audio things. He has blogged about starting the company through product creation ideas, design and issues, to getting them released. It's been going for 5+years, and it's very informative,. It would probably be a great read for you. Covers all aspects of from starting the business in a garage, up to where they are today. Jason is an advertising wiz as well, it's what he was doing along with audio.

[@woopygoman]

For transducers, mechanical engineering or acoustic engineering. For electronics, well, electronics or electrical engineering. :) Also you don't have to do engineering. Science should cover the basics but engineering will teach you a lot with regards to real-world applications!

[@ericfallabel9201]

Great discussion! Also, I love the aspect ratio on the video; perfect for watching on my phone

[@mouser78]

I still have the 301's connected to an old amp, bought them +20 years ago, they have very easy pleasing sound. Not as detailed and pure as my hi-fi stereo but certainly an enjoyable listen. They're aimed towards a different segment, a consumer market that does not care if its an accurate presentation and just wants an enjoyable listening experience. Nothing wrong with that, the average Joe does not care about imaging, separation and all the other stuff we like to hear through our hi-fi systems.

[@homer289]

but, my only issue with that is that, they don't market themselves to be enjoyable, they market themselves to be a benchmark, so if their systems were less expensive and they understood they're a convenience brand and not hifi, id be less mad at them

[@mouser78]

@@homer289 They are a benchmark as they are best in class in what they do and the R&D to achieve that leading role has a cost that needs to be paid. Its not a question whether Bose is inferior, its a different application of a speaker and a different approach how speakers should project sound into a room and they do that very well. There are plenty of speakers with a certain focus, PA speakers, monitors, Hifi speakers, bluetooth speakers, ... that each require their own expertise. Its not because you don't make typical hifi speakers that you're doing something inferior, its all about the best speakers for a certain situation. Some of the best hifi speakers have a tiny sweet spot, so much that you loose it when you move your head. When entertaining people I'd rather have a speaker that spreads nicely in the room, critical listening I'll do on my own.

[@Razor2048]

One issue that was overlooked in the video was one of the biggest issues with brands like beats, bose, etc., is the issue. Most of the people buying their products are often convinced/ tricked by the marketing material, and believe that their super V curve beats or bose is truly giving them the best possible sound quality and reproducing the music exactly as it was heard in the recording studio, and looking stylish while doing it. In most cases, it is not someone looking at a product and deciding that they don't care much about the sound quality but they need something compact and less visible. Instead it is people thinking the $800 sound bar truly offers better quality and replaces a 5.1 speaker system because the company advertises that it created 7 additional virtual speakers around the room. The truth in mane cases is that products like Bose aren't for someone looking for the best or accurate sound, instead they are for people who want a certain sound signature. For example, while you can get the bose sound with any quality headphone, as they can do V EQ without betting boomy and harsh, which is what bose and beats try to do (though bose does a better job at it than beats)

[@taidee]

For me being on the budget end of the market, there are just better looking headphones in competition with Bose, that's all. It's like with Apples Airpods Pro (their only in-ears that fit me), they cost an equivalent of $365 here in South Africa (I'm not saying they are overpriced, but...). For less than that I'm able to get budget iems (multiple) and a Bluetooth dac/amp, the Qudelix 5k in my case, which also work as a USB desk based dac/amp and is able to accommodate my over-ear full sized headphones too. So sometimes it's also just economics.

[@CrownedWarriorBand]

The 901 sounded bad back then. I saw through the marketing at the time. To me, when the grilles were removed and I saw it was a bunch of small speakers it made sense, because, to me, that's exactly what they sounded like. They did not dominate the market at the time.

[@Hubjeep]

11:48 Great point! Most buy BOSE and figure it's going to sound good/great for sure.

[@MrBose-kz6mi]

That is called "direct reflecting" and of course there is a limit in placing the 901 but stick to the prescription and you can enjoy for many years. I have a pair of 2nd hand 901 series IV and they are about 50 years old now and still bright and clear and deep bass, complete sound stage, I have to admit my ears are not so good as they were before, but I can hear everything and have those 901 for 25 years now. Only the rubbers are renewed by myself.

[@swinde]

Yeah, Deep bass 50hz or higher, and highs around 10K. They were designed to bounce off the back wall at 8 different angles and that causes an illusion of being in a larger room because of the different arrival times to your ears.

[@MrBose-kz6mi]

@@swinde 50 hz and lower..

[@swinde]

@@MrBose-kz6mi My point was that the Bose 901 system did not produce any fundamental bass below 50 Hz. No highs, No Lows, but plenty of out of phase midrange to make the sound more "spatial".

[@danny6265]

You guys look like people that really know what they’re talking about. Almost smug in a nerdy way. 901s were never meant to go into the corner. According to any Bose manual.

[@jackdale9249]

HELP ! anyone improved, modded their Ferrai F430 spider / coupe sound system ? i consulted w/a audio specialist shop he said maybe different head unit as the becker is weird ( keep it for future owners ) but otherwise just put in some better speakers ! ( mine has the silly big $ option BOSE "upgrade audio " extra speakers , amp , sub etc Bose® high power sound system (Modis Code: SNDB) Available for both the F430 and F430 Spider, Bose® and Ferrari have developed a brand-new, high-power sound system. This system incorporates a new technology called FortaTM. It also includes the AudioPilotTM system, which is found on the 612 Scaglietti and the 599GTB Fiorano. Bose® technicians developed special equalization tuning for both the F430 and the F430 Spider. This system is composed of 11 strategically placed loudspeakers and includes:   A bass enclosure with a special amplifier, including 1 active woofer & 2 small passive elements. It is located under the climate control panel, linked to the center tunnel 2 tweeters, embedded in the mirror triangles 2 woofers at the bottom of the door panels 4 twiddlersTM at the top of the rear wall One 8-way amplifier with digital signal processing, located on the rear bench" Can't believe that Ferrari could install such a poor set of equipment especially with the cost of the upgrade to the Bose set up. BOSE stands for "Buy Other Sound Equipment " LOL so better speakers and and ......................DONE. 🤣??

[@lunam7249]

dome fabric mids, titainium highs, single 10" cerwin vega or sundown, pioneer deck "deh- 500 to 1000" older models....the installer will be $$$$$$ because he has to worry about not scratching a ferrari paint job.... $10000 = $8000 worry + $1000 equipmant + $1000 labor

[@saurabbbhardwaj1930]

Interesting discussion. But, bose isn't catering to the niche. They target the consumer market, add a spin to their technology making it sound unique, exotic and have aesthetically pleasing products. To be an aspirational brand in the mass consumer market... thats what they have achieved.

[@donpayne1040]

I don't think millions of dollars in R&D (whether that be in technology, or marketing) can be ignored, or put in the category of Non-audiophile (ness). Bose is just an example of something prominent and to alot of people that "Ness" does stand for the reproduction of music in public spaces where a degree of diplomacy needs to be employed. Dude(s)...It's SO hard to get speakers to sound real targeting thing cerebrally, I think, IS the only way to do it - even if they do sound bad.

[@Forwhomthebelltolls24]

Abyss talking about expensive gears!!

[@dhruvmeena96]

Bose Acoustic wave cannon is still the best subwoofer for me, more than Wilson thor's hammer

[@joecool7165]

I am curious as to what you guys think are the better speakers I was in the business. I’ve owned them all. I got to tell you, Bose was not that bad.

[@dhiaoshaish]

I have been learnimg about audio and audio gear for 12 years. i have learned from pinge watching this channel in a week more than i learned in those 12 years.

[@benh4984]

My high end sonos sound bar had delay even after adjustment and the audio was barely better then the flat screens. Soft voices were still inaudible

[@aceofspades6667]

Blows - no highs no lows it blows.. honestly the only use case I would consider them would be if I had a game room say with a pool tables a bar some tvs and maybe some pinball machines and I wanted some to play background music while having a party with friends this would be the choice. the small footprint satellites are easily concealable and do a good job with sound dispersion in a manner that doesn't take away attention from your main activity.

[@mikeg2491]

This is the fallacy of audiophile debates, that all audio use cases are the same. The fact is rolled off highs and lows tend to be pleasant to listen to for most people, I have some vintage dacs I use for this reason when I just want some non-fatiguing music and not get into analysis mode.

[@DeadKoby]

Bose stuff is OK....... for example, the wave radio sounds big for the actual size. The price/performance ratio keeps me away. Their pro PA system has pretty full sound for the size too. Not bad, but not amazing either. Bose is too expensive for being "just ok"

[@thomaswachter7782]

So proud to have a real audiophile company from my hometown Buffalo NY. Congratulations Abbyss.

[@bobsykes]

I would say AR, KLH, and JBL were the audiophile standards back in the day (I was a kid, but I was there).

[@tommoyer4697]

Klipsch altec ohm watt

[@lifehacker123]

I own the Bose QC25 and I really have to say that I hate them as headphones. Objectively: the music coming out of them just sounds like crap. There’s no debate about that. Hat the sound quality. But the thing that makes them great is the active noise cancellation. They’re really great in that regard. Sitting in an airplane you really feel like you’re sitting in your own quiet VIP room. It’s just that whatever music you listen on them sounds like crap.

[@davidasher22]

I used to gig with one of those Bose PA sticks and that thing sounded awesome.

[@Altair4611]

this microphone setup is super clean and easy to listen to, nice job

[@Hubjeep]

EV RE-20's Broadcast level mic.

[@Altair4611]

@@Hubjeep i own a 320

[@TassieLorenzo]

I read that as "their microphone setup" and I was like "BOSE makes microphones?!" 😂

[@Cakebattered]

Cambridge Soundworks and Bang & Olufsen sold lifestyle audio products and didn't receive a fraction of the disdain Bose got. I think it had to do with Bose marketing and legal team. The same reasons people dislike Monster Cable mirrors audiophiles dislike for Bose. Noel Lee did mimicked many of the business practices of Bose, so it makes sense.

[@joecool7165]

The ones made for the church with the particleboard cabinet with veneer the 802s were by far the best I run quite a few of them even now I have made some subs to go with them with the crossover and a DSP talk about nice sound

[@ryanmiller3020]

I think you pretty much hit the nail right on the head with your points. Most people don’t want a complicated set up, and this is especially true if you happen to be blind like me. but I do have to say that Bose does offer a good product for what you pay for. I’ve actually got three different Bose products, and I’m very satisfied with them. i’ve got to Bose sound link micro Bluetooth speakers, which I can wirelessly pair together to form a stereo, and I’ve had these since 2017 and they still work the same as the day I bought them. So I would agree that if you’re looking for a build quality, Bose definitely makes products that last. But the very first product that I bought happen to be the low end headset that they make, and I wasn’t too thrilled with that, but I saved up and bought a wave music system, and I still love it. I’ve had that baby since 2016, and it still works just as good as the day I bought it. and it really does pack a punch for its size. But you’re absolutely right. Bose is scared for people who don’t want to tinker.

[@Tuck_Frump]

The bose in the mercedes benz were pretty decent. If you have a 96 c280 and buy crutchfield self powered subwoofer - life would be peachy.

[@ianfleming7510]

People tend to fall into two different camps of listeners, those that want to emulate the recording and those that want to emulate the band. As a musician I am in the latter. Most advanced audio equipment will allow you to hear the bass and drums and provide clarity to the mids and highs. Is this the same as the gunshot from live drums or the shove in the chest from a bass guitar? No. Do most people have the room or listen to music at that level? No. Could most people afford the equipment necessary to produce a concert effect? Maybe. The Bose 800 and 900 series were the first steps in trying to achieve this "live" experience. They were never meant to be a stand alone speaker array. and were provided with one of the first D.S.P. I am not going into the technical aspects of speaker design and sacrifice for durability between studio monitors and P.A. gear. The 800 series can be driven by power amps that are only 250 watts R.M.S. a side and provide wonderful articulation. Why do audiophiles hate Bose? For the same reason the neighbors hate them.

[@chethammer]

You guys need to look at a 901 again. I've had a set of 301 Series III since 1987. Still sound good. Also, I own them so there's that. Speakers now are insanely priced. One other thing. Normal Costco shopping people aren't paying in the "thousands" for home theatre. That would be someone on your end of the spectrum. By the way you talked for 15 minutes and didn't say a thing about sound quality.

[@derrekcrofford1196]

Bose 901s have their weaknesses but omg do they rock. No speaker has ever made an impression on me like the 901s. Life like 3 dimensional stereo imaging at its finest when properly set up.

[@pcar_corey]

I want to improve my understanding of audio recording, technical reproduction and arrangement, and generally just want to understand more to deepen my level of appreciation. Do you guys have any recommended books?

[@Splomf]

You have the entire internet at your fingertips, use it.

[@showdown2006]

I use a Bose 2.1 system for my workstation as computer speakers(which is what they were designed for). Have had it for years, even got it from the Bose store. Had em for a long time and they suit that set up for me well. But I wouldn't really use them on anything else. If I was gaming or producing then I'd go for much higher end speakers.

[@simonrockstream]

Great video guys!! Loved it

[@PeSOVIN]

It is like fast food: we all like fat and salt. And most people enjoy the strong bass and piercing high tones. And since this is not even bad for your health: hey, why not? Enjoying textures and complexities comes secondary and takes some time to learn to appreciate.

[@rpg896]

So called audiophiles just don’t want what any Tom, Dick and Harry has.

[@adrianmorrish8494]

For years when I was younger, I always had a Bose or Alpine system in my banged-up car or van and thought it's got to be good. I then 3 years ago bought the Bose 700 and thought wow it's Bose it's expensive for a headphone, like 400 bucks this is going to be awsome, then I listened to them, it was a wake-up moment.

[@hemihead001]

My friend just gave me a pair of 601 Series II . I love them . Fantastic speaker .

[@kota2223]

i am a bit of an audiophile (i own a few Focal, Sennheiser, Fostex, etc. headphones) but i use Bose for wireless in ear for when i am going on runs or for phone calls or for when i have chores to do and don’t want a cord dangling around my neck (let alone all the other annoying things that come with it). they have a decent ip rating, and i know there are a bunch of competitors in that field, but they do a “good enough” job. it’s one of those times when i am willing to sacrifice sound quality for convenience and function. as always, spot on, guys!

[@F.S.111]

I own Susvara, Utopia, etc. The New Focal Bathys is my go to for portable. Blows Bose away give them a listen.

[@kota2223]

@@F.S.111 I'd rather do twa iems when I'm out and about! Having something that I can keep in my pocket is great for that. I mostly use the Sony wf-1000xm4 now for that. It frankly gets more use than any of my other headphones at this point since I often just use speakers now.

[@terapatik]

I'm not an audiophile but I'm not a fan of Bose at all. Had a QC35ii. Never was joy to listen. Got them for their ANC which was excellent "out of the box", until the ANC got impaired badly after a bit more than 2 years of use potentially due to a firmware update. I became aware of the firmware thing thanks to Douglas actually. Contacted Bose who recommended to send it back and get a new one from them with a discounted price of "EUR 240". Right at that moment it was being sold for EUR 190 on Amazon... So my original payment of EUR 300 went down the pipe. But thanks to them, I've decided to get away from BT headphones. At least expensive ones. Instead got myself a BTR5, HD560s, and V-Moda M-100 Master for closed back needs. No ANC, yes, but much more joy and fun. And I do hope these (at least the HPs) will last much longer than 2-3 years. For noise, I put my 3M Peltor Optime III Ear Defenders over my Airpods Pro btw :D Can't be seen in public like that yes, but it works like magic at home.

[@Paul-D-Hoff]

Bose, progress thru advertising.

[@thomasward00]

Bose makes decent stuff, the speakers are fine for the average consumer... The VAST majority of people are NOT audiophiles.

[@simonrockstream]

The VAST majority of people are sheep who willingly loves to get ripped off.

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

Sony stuff isn't audiophile (usually in modern days, but they have some audiophile stuff) but it sounds good

[@johnnixon2504]

The Bose stores still exist at outlet malls.

[@aceofspades6667]

lmfao right next to Tommy Hilfiger and Nautica outlets.

[@dylon4906]

@@aceofspades6667 honestly. i know of one at an outdoor mall right across from an abercrombie store

[@maazabdullah]

13 and a half minutes and they never bring up how Bose SOUNDS! Isn't that the main reason?

[@lifehacker123]

I mean they never really mention it but you can tell they don’t think Bose is an “audiophile” brand.

[@mike_yphoto6692]

i bought the bose 901 VI recently and i have to say, when listening to music they sounded great on some songs but for the most part they sounded so artificial like your in a hall or auditorium. Compared to my heresy ii, i keep wanting to listen to more and more music but with the 901’s not so much thats why i sold them right away. now i know why many people dont like them. not to hate on bose, i actually own and like their earphones. Their direct reflecting feature, is not for everyone.

[@danielrhoden2973]

Any speaker that requires an outboard eq to function properly is a poorly designed speaker.

[@mike_yphoto6692]

@@danielrhoden2973 no wonder there are not many speakers designed requiring external eq.

[@lunam7249]

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[@northdakotabeast1547]

1440p AT 60 FPS.... IT LOOKS SOO SMOOTH AND CRISP. More YT'ers need to utilize this if they have the tools do to so. Thank you for this discussion!

[@HiFiInsider]

i like some Bose speakers. especially the soundbar and i like the now discontinued 901.

[@thegoat164]

Don't mickey mouse it with a soundbar, get an AVR, front speakers, center speaker and surround speakers and you will hear what a real setup sounds like.

[@IsleOfFeldspar]

I had the 301s briefly in college. I wasn’t happy with the sound. I disassembled them and found shockingly cheap materials throughout. The cheapest possible particle board, $3 tweeters and $10 woofers with forty cent electrolytic caps. I knew then that Bose is a fraud.

[@roybatty-]

I got roped into a buying a Bose back in the day 🤣

[@SEO122]

Love my 601 Series II Bose speakers! I'm sure these jokers never even considered them...

[@chrisclose7793]

i personally think their 201s and 301s were pretty good speakers i think their lifestyle speaker systems were boses downfall as lost some certain frequncies and the subs struggled on the lowest bass notes, but SVS are like bose of the last 20 years all about marketing actually thinking about it bose products are actually slightly better sounding than svs ,but not as good as B&W,kef mission , monitor audio and pmc for the price point

[@thegoat164]

SVS is better than any of those brands you mentioned and Bose??? Oh pleeeezzz😂

[@chrisclose7793]

@@thegoat164 svs are so like bose over priced for what they are where as B&W ,kef ,mission and monitor audio are proper audiophile quality speakers where as one dealer I spoke to said svs are the new version of eltax and gale speakers

[@thegoat164]

@@chrisclose7793 Dude, I had Mission 762i speakers for well over 30 years and they served me well but when I got my SVS Ultra books they were better in every way. Better bass, better treble, better mids, better vocals, you name it....BETTER PERIOD. Ever checked out the SVS website and read user reviews? SVS Ultra Book user review Lanny D said... "I have tried Polk R200, KEF LS50 Meta, Klipsch Rp-600m II, Revel M106, etc, and have returned or sold them all. The SVS Ultra bookshelf suit my tastes a little better than all the others." This is just one of many reviews like this one. I read a lot of comments on speaker vids and you're the first I've seen that said Bose is better than SVS...I mean C'mon man!

[@josesantiagoortiz5341]

Direct/reflecting sound system, the problem is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Bose never made speakers for audiophiles in mind, the 501 301, and the legendary 901 not one of them was for audiophiles I hear it and is true.

[@XVisionsProd]

I LOVE how easily they can recommend a low budget system if thats what is good for you. Makes it easier to swallow when i hear them talk about a set up thats a house down payment without blinking lol these dudes are wild

[@XVisionsProd]

they understand markets exist for a reason. I cant wait to be crying in my room when i hear my Diana V2's

[@mjjm6220]

At the time (1974 forward) the saying went: No Highs, No Lows....must be Blose. No one needed to be an audiophile to know Bose was total garbage. I first saw the 901s in a bar/resturant, hanging from the ceiling. PURE SHIT, no bass. My JBL L55 pair just blew away the 901. With only 4-5" drivers, how could anyone expect anything resembling bass.

[@JamesSavik]

Bose 200 and 300 series speakers were pretty good back in the 80s. Now they attempt to build everything, do a mediocre job, and charge a premium price. Their comparable speakers now aren't as good as the vintage 301s.

[@boedilllard5952]

Because they can hear?

[@npaconstruction]

THE 901S IN A SQUARE ROOM ADJUSTED RIGHT.......WITH THE NEW RIBBED SURROUNDS......WITH NAKAMICHI PA7 200 WATT AMPLIFIER........THEY BARELY BREATHE......1....901 CAN HANDLE 225 WATTS.......THE PAIR IS 450 .......THE HIGH END STUFF CANT HANDLE THIS KIND OF POWER

[@JuanJohn013]

When I’m on the go I use AirPods but when I’m home and really wanna hear to the music then I play it in my very expensive Equipment or in my music studio

[@douglasrdebarros]

Audiophiles, if Bose is overpriced, then what would you recommend instead of Bose home theaters? (Help a regular consumer here)

[@shayan-gg]

Depends on your budget, preference, source and a lot of other factors. If you want a cheap powered stereo then Micca PB42x for under 100$ or Edifiers, If you want a good and cheap 5.1 then Micca PB42 front, PB42-C center, 42X back and Covo s for surround. If you want good DSP corrected stereo then Swans M300 Also you should get a subwoofer for low end for any setup if you have bidget. Tell me your variables first before asking for recommendations.

[@lunam7249]

jbl, polk, yamaha

[@TassieLorenzo]

Polk Audio is always great value!

[@verndebes892]

Here we go again, Bose speakers are success because the give people the product they want at a price that’s affordable! I have four sets that still sound great after 50 years give or take. People think Bose are good because they are! Audiophiles hate them and any other equipment that the average buyer can afford especially if it sound better then the high price equipment . I love audiophiles and their videos so much hot air floats out of the tv cuts my heating costs .

[@thegoat164]

What, you got shit in your ears??? Obviously you just can't afford a real system, that's alright, be happy with what you have but don't make things up. Bose is Mid-Fi...no highs no lows must be Bose and they certainly do blow.

[@thegoat164]

Bose stands for Buy Other Sound Equipment.

[@TassieLorenzo]

Affordable?! A KRK 5" studio monitor pair is the *same price* as a plastic Bose Soundlink bluetooth speaker... I don't understand how an order of magnitude difference in the respective profit margins on these products means that the BOSE is affordable? If the Soundlink speaker costs $40 to make and the KRKs cost $200 to make, shouldn't the respective prices be (say) $75 USD and $350 USD, not both priced at $350 USD?

[@yambo59]

When I was young in the 70's and the 80's I caught onto the snake oil Bose was dishing out right off the bat, first of all the 901 speakers were absolute CRAP without theyre crutch, the EQ box. Even then they just sounded like loud ass nightclub speakers, lots of volume but not really great HIFI sound quality. I bought a pair of Pioneer HPM100's back then and im still enjoying them to this day, extremely well made both in heavy walnut veneered cabinets and seriously heavy duty drivers inside with aluminum frames and giant magnets.

[@CombatBanana]

I'd rather just do some simple cable management and get better audio quality.

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

What?

[@rking6247]

@@SussyBaka-em9rq Simple cable management.

[@michaelwright1602]

Bose is all about marketing, and they mastered it for quite a few years. I have nothing against them, I could care less. Monster also comes to mind... Monster is virtually gone, and Bose has closed all of their stores... Will they fade away? They very well could.

[@walkinmn]

I didn't care about bose but the hate came when I tried to fix an uncle's speaker and didn't take long before I realised it was designe very much on purpose to stop anyone from opening other than Bose with no phillips screws anywhere and because I didn't have my tools it reached a moment I couldn't go forward because I needed to slide something but the screws were unreachable with a normal screwdriver. Now I even think that maybe Bose came with this BS of non- user repairability before Apple.

[@bladelefusyn3337]

There's many brands that are like that, Meze Audio's Empyrean is a fine example. It's also very human for someone to want to keep their stuff exclusive, brands wouldn't be brands without it. Or because components require special attention and most of us don't know or care for that, me included. A lot of phones and cars work the exact same way, us consumers cannot access or repair it.

[@gregwx]

Watching this, listening on my 14 years old Bose Media Companion convenience yep. I agree with Erick point of view. Now that "I'm out of the matrix" on audio consumer... can see the options, and that's what those are options. Big fan of your craft guys, just find in this channel... I see your products like a Ferraris on audio. Someday I hope, can be able to afford one. Still, love your entrepreneurship, can relate with family business, miss my parents, no longer with me but keep working on their legacy, and I'm pretty sure you is what you are doing here... such a beautiful, well made products that will make a mark, for life. Best wishes.

[@markovlasic1978]

they have muddy bass response, veiled mids and ultra snake sssss treble, thats why....

[@pedrocols]

Most people that hate Bose can't hear past 12khz

[@boedilllard5952]

Or below 400Hz. Pretty much ideal speakers for the Helen Keller in your life.

[@TheSlayrnumber1]

I hate how you didn’t really tell us what to look into. Or somewhere to start. I hate when people who know better only tell us what’s “bad”. It’s hard for consumers because of the marketing, ads and “reviews” shoved in our face.

[@DougMen1]

901s suck! The best sounding Bose speakers were the 601s, but they still didn't compare to other much better quality speakers in their price range

[@bladelefusyn3337]

Trust your Ears & Enjoy the Music.

[@ChibiSteak]

13:10 fin.

[@nikandjack]

In conclusion, audiophiles value the ABYSS DIANA and for the regular Joe consumer he values the Bose QC35 II.

[@zeeMuniStacksBundles]

if you're not a casual luke warm individual, you'll realize that bose and the other large companies are only propped up by their marketing department and leverage of funds and the manipulation of the market. They capitalize on the ignorance of the individual and it works, very well obviously. Sennheiser was one of the very few companies to break that barrier without being mediocre luke warm trash like the others. A true appreciative deeper person who actually cares will realize in due time the true world of audio and how beautiful it can be while still providing value and avoiding diminishing returns at the same time. This has been the case in all categories, casual people, whatever their excuse is, a large family, multiple jobs, family problems, sometimes they just simply don't care and cannot enjoy audio at a deep level because they are not deep themselves, they just simply might be shallow. Who cares what the reason is because these people don't really matter in the large scheme of things. What matters is that we can truly appreciate what is offered and continue to enjoy all that there is. We understand what's going on and the casuals don't. I wouldn't worry about those people at the end of the day even though they make up a large part of the consumer market. I would worry more about growing our own communities of people who actually have the capacity to care and appreciate things of beauty.

[@WCG72]

I'll say it again, I don't hate Bose. They actually do pretty decent headphones and Bluetooth speakers, but when you're talking Hi-Fi they're just not worth the price they're asking.

[@memoriesofold9591]

Thats why other brand cannot overtake bose. 😂 its not just only marketing but the engineering behind typical music lover love the sound quality of bose.

[@wahid-lg1kk]

The old 901's I had in the 70s were fantastic, using Mcintosh monobloc amps if I remember right. Stupendous thundering sound, 1000 watts a channel, those were beasts. But sadly the company went downhill.

[@chuckmaddison2924]

Imagine a home theater Atmos system using only 901's.

[@Tortuga6able]

Be sick looking 11 Bose 901’s Hanging everywhere. With a 1000 Watt amp! If I where rich I would so do this!

[@chuckmaddison2924]

@Tortuga6able The 901 is my favourite Bose model.

[@Tortuga6able]

I have a pair. Not the “best speaker in the world”. But certainly one of the coolest.

[@mikehunt7888]

Sounds like they studied a script and are clueless in the art of acting. I'm not a bose fanboy, I don't like them either.