Ultimate Comparison V2 | FlightFactor 320 VS Toliss A319 by Real Airbus Pilot | UPDATED

Over 2 and a half years ago I made the first version of this video when both products were recently released to the X-plane community. Over the years both aircraft have gone under substantial updates and improvements. This is round 2! This video is a comparison video of both the FF 320 and the ToLiss 319. I take both aircraft head to head and challenge the deeper systems and flight control laws in a series of maneuvers and procedures.
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[@krishnaae06]

I think the biggest star should go to Toliss' customer service. They listen, admitted if something was wrong or inaccurate and they FIXED them. I think that is the reason, how Toliss is really improving compared to the time it was launched.

[@V1Sim]

You are absolutely correct!

[@BokeFlyingSimulations]

Definitively, one of the best perks of Toliss.

[@a.nelprober4971]

15:21 you said the same thing all that time ago when the flightfactor was in alpha and they still didn't bother to do anything about it. Their arrogance is astonishing

[@krishnaae06]

@@a.nelprober4971 and now all can see where this brought them

[@cupofjoen]

Just like Zibo. RIP Zibo, the author is now free and fly by himself

[@cedarkey]

Real world bus driver here. Have used the FF 320 for the past 3 years to practice for sim checks etc. (Primarily system failures and practicing company procedures/ECAM protocols etc). However, I was always looking for more failure options reference systems which I found the FF 320 didn’t provide. In the past month (June 2021) I purchased the Toliss 319, and while the FF is definitely a better looking machine, the Toliss beats the FF hands down if what you’re looking for is the ability to set up numerous system failures, with a large menu system allowing you to set random faults/at varying times/speeds etc. The FF does similar but not to the same extent as the Toliss. The flying side of things (looking at the sights) isn’t really of much interest to me, it’s more the practicing the system failures while under real time pressure as can be provided in X-plane that’s of great use to real world bus drivers. Great video by the way. Love the channel. Always find you very willing to answer viewers’ questions.

[@V1Sim]

Thank you for the response! I agree 100% I’ve shifted myself and starting using the Toliss for Sim prep and recurrent. Way more user friendly for setting up failures and running ECAMS

[@gustavoruiz7050]

Great having 2 real pilots opinions. Have you tried P3D FSLabs A320? Is it even more advanced than the Toliss as they say? Thanks!

[@cedarkey]

@@gustavoruiz7050 I haven’t tried it. Toliss or FF provide sufficient realism to not require me to purchase more software. As V1 says, the Toliss is more user-friendly when you wish to set up failures. The failures menu is quick and easy to use.

[@xiaofengxiaofengxiaofengxi4651]

What country uses A320s as busses

[@chrispatton7215]

Yeah, I'm kinda partial to the Toliss fleet. Started out flying the 319 but I do fly the 321 NEO quite a bit. Just depends on my mood for the day....sports car or bus. Thanks for the comments/thoughts and taking the time to make the video. Well done.

[@V1Sim]

Thank you Chris!

[@bitbarrel1215]

Another A320 rated Captain here. Thanks for your review. Previously I only used the FlightFactor A320 but decided recently to try out the A321 from ToLiss. It's a world of difference. The ToLiss plane is so much better in most regards (not all though). My main annoyance with FlightFactor is that they have done nothing about countless detailed step-by-step reproducible bug reports I filed over a year ago. Some of these bugs are minor, but some are a big deal like completely wrong logic of an engine failure after take off, just to name one. I have also compiled a bug list of the ToLiss plane and will file detailed bug reports. Let's see if they are more willing to fix them. One thing both planes get wrong is Vls not increasing to above green dot when the speed brake is selected. One other thing I don't like is the old systems they use (FMS, ND, TCAS, ADIRS). And there are several layering issues on the PFD and ND (some symbols should be on top / underneath others), not to mention the poor resolution of the displays. Although the systems in general are much better on the ToLiss, there are some errors, like when you do a raw data ILS with the auto thrust off, then go around, it doesn't go into OP CLB instead of SRS, which is wrong. I have also found one of the FlightFactor developers to be arrogant. Even when providing real plane video evidence of some issues, he was very stubborn to admit he was wrong with his implementation. Eventually he fixed it but was noticeably angry. Not professional.

[@WorldKris]

Hi have bugs/issues you mentioned have been fixed? Which one is still the superior one nowadays? And have you also tried Fenix A320 from MSFS2020?

[@MoisesSimana]

For the past couple of years I have been wanting to try Airbus as I mainly fly Boeing. I have been undecided between these two until this video. We need more videos with this quality and knowledge base in the flight sim community. Thank you.

[@NielsC68]

I'm happy for the FF users regarding the updates but I'll stick to my ToLiss.

[@V1Sim]

It’s pretty cool to see how far the Toliss has come from the first time I made this video!

[@NielsC68]

Indeed, and thank you for keeping us abreast of Airbus piloting. 💚

[@jmlouden]

Going from the B737 to the A330 soon(ish) at my airline. Thanks to this video I'll be purchasing the Toliss for some nice basic Airbus familiarization. Greatly appreciated!

[@xWayvz_]

To me the ff a320 always felt a bit more accurate/serious BUT the performance impact makes me go with toliss 99% of the time. While the FF a320 seems to be extremely heavy on performance (also on high end rigs) the toliss runs as smooth as the default cessna 172. where I get like 35 fps with the ff a320 i get 100+ fps with the toliss, and that just makes it so much more enjoyable to fly (i use a 144hz monitor) and landings and handling in general feels more precise with the higher framerate.

[@XP72official]

🍿🍿 this is gonna be good.

[@yosri2005]

Great job on this review. I don't have the FlightFactor but have the Toliss A321, and wanted to know if I'm missing something, and this video shows how detailed the Toliss line is.

[@Acidpsycho2002]

I purchased both, but I never again used the FF since I have the ToLiss. There are so many issues regarding system depth, if you are simulating failures it becomes just hillarious nonsense with the Flight Factor. ToLiss is not perfect, but very close to it! I love this plane, especially with the neo variants.

[@V1Sim]

Agree! Thanks for watching

[@MaxRank]

I had FF first and loved it even though it smashed my frames. Now I don’t fly it at all. Toliss rules the roost for me. A340 coming also. Both models exterior still looks a little off in my view, but I’m inside so not a deal breaker at all. If I want a super high fidelity fix then it’s over to FSLabs. Good stuff V1 as always. Hope you and yours are well and safe.

[@V1Sim]

Fslabs 😱😉

[@dragos-andreidascalu4566]

@@V1Sim haha whats up with FSLabs A320?

[@V1Sim]

@@dragos-andreidascalu4566 lol nothing wrong whatsoever. Just on another level for sure.

[@MaxRank]

@@V1Sim that's a fact. The cost really highlights that. Lol.

[@dragos-andreidascalu4566]

@@V1Sim Would you say the Tollis A319 or FF A320 will be on the level of the fslabs A320 one day ?

[@munmun5594]

Thank you for taking time off from your busy schedule to explain marvellously... It's not easy to create videos and explain in a methodical manner !

[@gsmorgansen]

The thing I appreciate about the Toliss A319 is that is uses the Laminar data refs and the nave data from the GNS430 folder. Using the Laminar data refs enables the default settings in the Bravo throttle quadrant, whereas the FFA320 uses custom data refs and forces one to program the Honeycomb software. Using the GNS430 folder for nave data GREATLY simplifies updating nav data. Way to go Toliss!

[@bassrash]

Thanks for the great comparison. I only have the Toliss and chose to use it by watching your videos. I frequently watch your videos to learn the operations of the Airbus systems. Thank you, Sir.

[@V1Sim]

Thank you! Glad to know you are enjoying the content.

[@xav8tr974]

An absolutely awesome A-B review. I hope the developers of both camps get to see this to take notes and address their respective idiosyncratic issues to make them both even better.

[@GridironGameSim]

To be honest, I had reservations about your last video; some things I didn't agree with, but this video was really well done and very objective. A+. The only criticism I have is how unweildy and unintuitive the Toliss stuff is (MCDU lag, 1-way manipulators), the FF just *feels* like a more polished presented product and probably should have gotten a star for that IMO...

[@V1Sim]

Thank you for the response! Omg yes I did forget to mention the one way switch manipulation, that does drive me crazy sometimes, mostly just on the landing/taxi lights! The MCDU lag, whilst annoying is actually representative of the the real thing. If I tried to type as fast as I can in the FF320, in the real airplane I’d get all kinds of fowl ups because they do lag, some more so than others. But your absolutely right about switch manipulation, we can deduct a star or half of one just for that! 😉 cheers

[@TheKuritsa]

What one star manipulators? you guys don't have all those lights and switches and buttons assigned to joystick buttons. I only look at overhead panel for preflight tests everything else commonly used is mapped to stick buttons. APU, APU start APU bleed all lights all signs, and webfmc for mcdu. Quality of life is important mouse clicking on stuff is way too aggravating no matter how well and intuitive those click spots are.

[@tomstravels520]

The MCDU lag is same on real aircraft

[@GridironGameSim]

@@V1Sim Cool stuff. I am aware real FMCs are slow, however, I think when you're on a PC, it just "feels bad" to have a slow computer. Toliss has said this was not on purpose (It's because of XP10 SASL) and I think if a dev wants to do this on purpose, they should take Zibo's route and add the lag as an option for users to turn on if they want 100% FMC realism. Whilst I own both products, both heavily modded, I often still fly the FF A320 despite lower functionality because sitting in the FF A320's cockpit often times just *feels* better. PS. As per the A320 U's pitch sensitivity, I find decreasing the maximum deflection to 90 and the 50% mark to 40% (so basically taking 10% stick movement away) fixes this. The FF code seems to not play nicely with the maximum amount of movement XP gives it if you have a higher quality stick with a lot of sensitivity. The curve becomes too aggressive. I have a VKB Gunfighter and that's just my finding for you, and people reading.

[@GridironGameSim]

@@tomstravels520 True, but see my reply to V1 on this.

[@tomstravels520]

8:26 it looks like the FF has been in IR align mode for longer as the heading on the PFD is also showing. The Toliss does get to the stage the FF is at when a few mins remaining

[@V1Sim]

You are absolutely correct! Thank you! Error on my part there!

[@laloglez1058]

FF now has fix info yay! :D

[@nn-qm5cd]

agreed the comment about FFA320 rotate feeling, too sensitive to pitch, not good.

[@rangerrick8220]

Excellent video; nice work! Even before you started the video I was thinking Toliss wins hands down. I've flown both the FF (Airbus and Boeing) and the Toliss planes many many times and time and again the Toliss just seems to fly better, navigate better and simply operate better. I occasionally use the FF and I RARELY fly the JarDesign A320.... it needs alot of work. But if anyone ever asks me, I say ToLiss is just the way to go.

[@V1Sim]

Thank you sir!

[@rangerrick8220]

@@V1Sim Nice to see you still can get a video in here and there... know you have lots on the go. All the best!

[@judebrad]

It might be worth a re-visit again with the newer version of the FFA320. I feel the FBW has improved since then, but on the other hand, it costs another $20, whereas I feel it should have been FOC.

[@roberthernandez4458]

Hey man, Thank you for your time and effort for putting this together and many other videos that you have done, they have been educational.. Hope all is well. looking forward for the next stream have a nice one cya!

[@miodragperisic4773]

Very good point on pitch FF320 sensitivity. Every FF plane have issue with pitch sensitivity, specially on landing. Toliss pitch sensitivity is much much better. I have both but, FF320 is in the hangar after, no more than, 10 flights. Simply both Toliss319/321 are better

[@GridironGameSim]

You can fix the FF pitch sensitively relatively easily. Decrease the entire curve.

[@xdiver01]

@@GridironGameSim Sorry, but what do you mean with "decrease the entire curve". Interp mode: cubic, catmull or linear? And the curve?

[@GridironGameSim]

@@xdiver01 When you go into controls, press edit curve on all the axis. From there you can modify the values of the control response curve to your liking. I have a high quality stick with a lot of resolution so planes respond too much to my input. I can fix that there.

[@rodrigocordoba7476]

interesting, always flying Toliss as FPS matter, and the FFA320 as you said the pitch is more sensitive comparing to Toliss one, now is even much funny with the Neo Version of Toliss great comparision

[@DerbeQ]

And we are here, 10 months later, with probably the most accurate simulation of an A320, intended to use in the most stunning simulator ever created in terms of graphics. Wow!

[@animatedchristmascollector3754]

most accurate is fslabs

[@KeithWSt]

Love the Toliss A319, pleased I opted for that, but slightly prefer the lighter FF flight-deck. This comparison must have taken an age... thank you.

[@dumbo612]

Thanks to you, I have both models 😎 Great video!

[@happyaviation1285]

Early, I really love your videos V1!! I find really useful your videos to improve my flying!

[@V1Sim]

Thank you! Glad to hear I can help !

[@tomstravels520]

29:29 this has been fixed now

[@SuperOrbit69]

Amazing work as usual V1, the flight sim community should count itself truly fortunate to have someone with such an incredible insight and depth of knowledge as your good self to share such superb content with us.

[@V1Sim]

Thank you very much! That is very kind of you!

[@CptMinnesota]

Great video! I just purchased it today and I’m very happy with it. I downloaded some liveries as well and I got to say it looks good. I also invested in the BSS pack too.

[@deepredson]

Stunning video!

[@V1Sim]

Thank you

[@jackomeyer9179]

There are some important points you didn't adress or i cannot understand your comment. The last beta of the FF320 for example has the FIX INFO implemented and the RAD NAV is completely implemented as well, not sure what you think is missing here? There are also MCDU functions that are missing in the Toliss and that are modeled in the FF like PERF-changing, SELECTED NAVAIDS etc. so i wouldn't say that Toliss-MCDU has significantly more functions. You can create custom waypoints and save them with the FF as well by the way. I cannot judge the exact performance behaviour of the aerodynamics and its absolute possible that Toliss does that better. But you didn't adress for example the simulation of the buttons by pressing them (with animation in the FF, without in the Toliss, giving a much better immersion in the FF). And you didn't adress as well the excellent simulation of the refueling panel in the FF, that is completely missing in the Toliss where you cannot reful in realtime. In the opposite you adress the possibility of changing options in the Toliss that is missing in the FF. I have the feeling your comparison is a bit biased in favour of the Toliss.

[@V1Sim]

Thanks for you comments, no I’m not going to use a beta branch for comparison. Over 2 years since release, the aircraft still requiring it to be in beta for basic MCDU functions is unacceptable IMO. The basis of the flight tests in this video are based off the previous video I made so I am comparing the same things as I did in that video. Im not quite sure what you mean by “perf changing” as I can adjust perf and CI and even aircraft wear/perf FACTOR in the Toliss, not to mention the ability to toggle the aircrafts age and engine age to modify its performance, but you keep manually selecting navaids if you wish sounds fun! Yes the MCDU popout in the Toliss does not have button depresses either, one thing I noted on the original comparison video. However I’m glad to see the modified the pop-out to actually match the 3d pit. What immerses me, is an aircraft where I can go through an entire normal flight exactly as I would in real life. They both accomplish that. This video is more about key elements of each product. Thanks for watching!

[@supergrobi1061]

Thank you for your video, Captain. As always top performed. I use both products extensively and i like them both. Happy landings.

[@user-jy1si4ov1u]

Very nice, thank you, just one thing you didn't mention is the ground handling objects that the FF has and toliss doesn't, maybe it doesn't matter to you but it's a big advantage IMO.

[@V1Sim]

True! However myself and I think a lot of simmers use the ground handling plugin anyway for vehicles, but you are correct!

[@briangentle5515]

@@V1Sim I bought the Ground Handling deluxe plug-in but stopped using it as it caused the doors on the Airbus to close immediately when you set it up and sometimes crashed it too. So now I just do without; not really a problem. I think the GH plugin is the culprit here and not the aircraft.

[@userSchlonsch]

While the Flight Factor might be the deeper simulation I think the Toliss Airbus fleet offers a lot more versatility for ablichten better price. You can almost get the a319 and a321 for the price of the Flight Factor. So as someone who has all these birds including the A321Neo upgrade and has started on the Flight Factor on a PC with severe performance issues my recommendation would bevor start your Airbus experience with one of the Toliss Airbus to get the most for your buck and have a flying experience that generally doesn’t lack any features. And if you want to really dive deep into the Airbus world then get the flight factor to appreciate all the extra little details (if your PC can handle it) I personally Fly the a321 most of the time and then do a little 319 and 320 action in between. That’s the good thing here, they are all different aircraft and it can’t hurt to have them all👍🏼

[@TARS..]

Everytime I get disappointed with glitches on the A32NX I go back to XP11 and fly my ToLiss, it's always such a relief that everything just works.

[@denziiey]

I have none of these products and my Xplane 11 isn't even installed and i watched the entire video. Sometimes it's just nice to see real pilots talk about these study level aircraft.

[@V1Sim]

Well thank you very much for the feedback, im glad you enjoyed the video !

[@SimAviator]

Would be interesting to see cross platform comparison between Toliss and FBW NX mod

[@h4sanbf]

ahahah stop joking, its arent the same lvl, ones make mod and other totaly new model

[@SnaxDesAvions]

@@h4sanbf it's completely fair, it's not about being a mod or not, it's about being good or not, whether it's payware or freeware. People made the same comparison between the free F-16 from Falcon BMS and the paid F-16 module from DCS World. As long it's comparable, it's fair. For the FBW A320 in FS2020, one could say the modeling iss out of the comparaison as it's not made from them and just compare what is comparable, like systems modelling, flight models, and other things like that.

[@h4sanbf]

@@SnaxDesAvions for me fbw its a joke, peoples hype to much around them, so ye, its just a better version of default a320, nothink special

[@SnaxDesAvions]

​@@h4sanbfSo you consider the rewrite of the entire autopilot, rework of the FMC FMC, overhaul of the hydraulic, electric, and pneumatic systems, the addition of new functionnalities like the UPLINK via Simbrief, a working EFB a joke ? With that logic I'm sure you consider the 737-800 by Zibo, the F-16 from Falcon BMS, and the Space Shuttle from FlightGear jokes as well. They're all mods and better than any payware (even the 737NGX by PMDG, their ground handling is a joke for real, and I hope their NG3 will be better in this matter). Unless you're a troll, you don't know what you're talking about.

[@h4sanbf]

@@SnaxDesAvions if u judje aircrafts by ground handling, i have bad news for u

[@Mr.Martini549]

Yay ToLiss A319! V1, any tips on how to bind the tiller. It's an understated yet important control, but I haven't really taken the time to properly use it.

[@JackJohnson-cm6jk]

you forgot the jar 😂😂😂😂😂...thanks for the vid....i enjoy both...the FF more for the visual immersive side and the toliss for the smooth experience it has become.

[@cebeho]

? Do we have an update on this video? Excellent work

[@tarick46]

Also toliss for A321 , so need both i think, since different type of aircraft n glad they build it really well.

[@V1Sim]

321 is also awesome!

[@tarick46]

@@V1Sim yes capt 😀

[@TheHenkka65]

Thank you for helping me decide. 🙂

[@mattjohnson7369]

Another point in Toliss favor is OS compatibility as it runs on all of X-plane's supported platforms. If you're a Linux user you're SOL on the FF 320.

[@XP72official]

Finished watching the full video and I have to say you did a very fair comparison and fully explained and demonstrated the difference between the two planes. Very well done. Now for that Zibo vs Toliss 🤣. Just kidding. Lol

[@V1Sim]

Thank you XP! Hahah Zibo VS Toliss?! Well the price tag alone for the Zibo can’t be beat so I think that’s your winner 😉

[@SimAviator]

We could get a Live debate V1 vs FD2S :P

[@diegoaasd]

XP72 and V1 simulation. Both of my favorite KZbinrs of Flight Sim together. Nice video V1 👍🏼👍🏼

[@jimlee350]

looking forward to Fenix A320 review !

[@V1Sim]

haha me too! I am really interested in what they will bring to the table!

[@jackomeyer9179]

Since you forgot some small but important details, I tried to make a fairer comparison, taking into account everything that is - according to me - important for a flight simmer using an Airbus. I gave 0- 2 Points or even negative ones for bugs. I am open to a honest discussion about every point that i mention. I try to justify the points i'm giving as much as i can and if you want to discuss it please do the same. I gave the points to the flight model according to your reviwe as you are a real pilot and can judge that much better than me. I compared the last versions available (FF 1.1.15 with Toliss A319 v 1.6): - Flight model / drag / Performance: Toliss 2 / FF 0 - Pitch sensitivity: Toliss 2 / FF 0 - Failures: Toliss 2 / FF 1 (some failures in the FF are missing or gives wrong ECAM-messages like for ex. a single HYDR-failure showing triple hydr failure) ---> TOTAL AERODYNAMICS AND ACCURACY 6 / 1 - Textures cockpit: Toliss 1 / FF 2 (i honestly find the cockpit textures to be better in the FF, the Toliss looks more "plastic" and is missing some details) - exterior textures: Toliss 1 / FF 1 (around the same, agree with that) - Mouse interaction: Toliss 1 / FF 2 (the lights buttons cannot be set with the mouse-wheel like in the FF, that is more confortable to use and there are some mouse lags when entering datas into the original MCDU when not using the pop-out-MCDU as i prefer because more immersive) - Dynamic buttons: Toliss 0 / FF 2 (when you press a button in Toliss the button doesn't move, in the FF you can see it being pressed / moving as in the real one) - Sounds: Toliss 1 / FF 2 (at least on my system the default FF-sounds are just better than the default Toliss-sounds, that sounds a bit more like a hoover at least on my speakers) ---> TOTAL IMMERSION 4/ 9 - Electric signals simulated resp. being "alive": Toliss 0 / FF 2 (You can see that when for example you set the electrical systems to ON: in the FF you observe a little potential-variation because every electrical signals are modeled and not only the systems themselves. That gives a big immersion advantage as it is the same in the real aircraft) - Weather Radar: Toliss 0 / FF 1 (i'm having the impression that on the Toliss the GAIN and TILT are not working. Please correct me if i'm wrong. - MCDU: Toliss 2 / FF 1 (Toliss has a bit more functions available, although there are some who are modeled in the FF and not in the Toliss like change of TROPO or SEL NAVAIDS - GPS accuracy according to real satelittes positions: Toliss 0 / FF 1 (the real position is taken into account in the FF, we can see that by changing the time of the day, where it has to recealculate the new position/accuracy based on the changed position of the satelittes) - System bugs: Toliss 0 / FF -1 (there are some few very annoying bugs in the FF that still haven't been fixed since years like the wrong EXTRA-Fuel calculations etc. thats why i substract 1 point for the FF. I am not aware of such severe bugs in the Toliss) - Terrain radar Toliss 2 / FF 1 (in the FF the patterns is being repeated many times, more realistic in the Toliss) ---> SYSTEM DEPTH 4 / 5 - Ground handling: Toliss 0 / FF 1 (completely missing in the Toliss) - Fuel panel and realtime refueling: Toliss 0 / FF 2 (thats a game changer for me, the fuel in Toliss can only be added immediately and only rounded to 100 kg) - EFB: Toliss 1 / FF 2 - Options (engines variants etc.): Toliss 2 / FF 0 (no possibility at all to change it in trhe default FF, that's why zero points) Pause at TOD etc: Toliss 2 / FF 0 (not possible in the FF) ----> TOTAL OTHERS 5 / 6 FPS: Toliss 2 / FF 0 (it's well know that the fps are really nice in the Toliss and very heavy in the FF) RESULTS: Toliss 21 points FF 320: 21 points

[@sabre9970]

Rotate feeling alone puts me off from flying FF no matter how "GPS accuracy" is different between the two..

[@sabre9970]

@@frankbyte Sounds very much like your personal bias. I'll explain: there are 2 critical and the most interesting phases of flight for me: take off and landing. FF is missing A LOT in the first phase. Besides my immersion is based on my RL experience, take off sensitivity is just lousy in FF and there are other less important flaws I wrote about to FF some time ago.

[@sabre9970]

Well, my RL was not in AIRBUS by any means lol! Sorry about that. However I've flown FF with my RL A330 Captian friend a couple of times and the comment was the same - too twitchy.

[@sabre9970]

Anyhow let them FF add more calculations, including the missing pages, and I'll be the first one to gladly reconsider

[@Marcelo_Anjos]

Thank for this comparison, very high quality details. Can you make a comparative with the Toliss vs Fênix? Did you have something to tell us about which is better?

[@angelicguru4066]

I own both and prefer the FF320 much more. As mentionned in the comment i also have a bit the feeling you omitted many points where the FF320 is doing a better job and highlighted all points where Toliss does it better. It sounds a bit like your view isn't completely neutral and a bit biased. But i respect those who prefer the Toliss ;-) Anyway, thanks for your video.

[@heklik]

Ff have better frame rate

[@xdiver01]

@@heklik What??? LOL

[@flobarim7688]

The video who give motivation to fly ! Merci beaucoup !

[@samuelsmith2112]

Enjoyed the comparisons How would you match Toliss with Fenix, Flybywire and Inibuilds?

[@josdenis3684]

What a interesting review! Thank you!

[@dcsflightdeck]

@V1-Simulations can you do a new one of these since both have been upgraded since the X-Plane 12 update

[@DreamVirtualFlight]

Very interesting comparison, thank you so much :)

[@V1Sim]

Your very welcome!

[@cpuwolf]

thank you for this deep comparation

[@V1Sim]

My pleasure!

[@m.danielbalarezovillagran92]

Excellent video and explanation!! thanks

[@flyingpauls5267]

FF is a missed opportunity. If they'd complete the plane in terms of non normal operations and indications and some pages in the MCDU I would prefer it by far. The Toliss wins the battle because of the performance alone. But you should really update the planes before a review and also mention some details which are simply better in the FF.

[@sabre9970]

Do you mean to say V1 made this comparison on the outdated versions? I didn't get that "you should" part of your comment..

[@flyingpauls5267]

@@sabre9970 Yes. The most recent version has the fixes fixed, e.g. But his main points are perfectly valid.

[@sabre9970]

@@flyingpauls5267 Nice, but pls expand on "the fixes fixed". Thanks

[@ReneGrothmann]

@@sabre9970 The fixes (radials and ranges) now display on the ND. By the way, the TCAS is now also working.

[@HurricaneJahya]

I'm happy with my ToLiss fleet is Airbus, but none the less awesome video!!!

[@seq_uent]

the reason the flightfactor rotated weirdly is because only in the flightfactor you need to set the trim accordingly for takeoff

[@CuriousAldo]

How about systems malfunction simulation? Engine, Hydraulic, Electrical, Pressurisation failures? FF did not have a blue target when I switched to Toliss (Toliss had it and that's why I changed sims)...

[@jean-christophemichel2051]

Excellent video both for its objectivity and for the depth of the systems discussed. I own the FF 320 and the Toliss 321. I think the conclusions would probably be quite close between these two. Do you plan to analyze the Toliss A340-600 when it is released please ?

[@JordanBadji]

Thanks V1 for that amazing comparison video! Something got my attention tho, the "moustaches" on PFD to indicate normal, alternate and direct laws. It seems both aircrafts do not show direct law's orange cross, hope at least it's indicated elsewhere like DIR LAW on ECAM. FF's moustaches are really small (even in normal law) and hard to see 😔

[@V1Sim]

thank you! Are you referencing the " " on the pfd that turn to amber Xs? They are both modeled on each aircraft from what i can tell? Unless you are referencing something else. Thanks for watching!

[@JordanBadji]

@@V1Sim that's exactly what I meant, guess I did not see well

[@TheHenkka65]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY IN DEPTH- REVIEW! :-)

[@cadefoster9279]

great video and comparison Capt! was wondering what happed to you!

[@V1Sim]

Thank you Cade!

[@panconhuevofrito]

When airspeed goes below VAprot; autotrim disconnects; thats cause, the aircraft pitched down. FF320 was okay

[@juliashenandoah3965]

So you are impatiently waiting for the IEA V2500 turbines for the Fenix Airbus too hm? ;) Do you also have the Flight Sim Labs Ltd Airbus A320? They say this one is especially good and based on ProSim cockpit instruments.

[@umi3017]

As FSL don't provide 319SL, I kinda want see if I should get ToLiss one for my high land operation. But still, seems ToLiss only provide 5B6 and 2524, not the 5B7 or 2527M we use on high land. Right now I basically used one that I copy the FSL A321's engine data into A319 to get somewhat closer to 319-133 without winglets, few of them do operate on highland, but most of them are -115W and -133W. BTW for highland operation with 737, PMDG doesn't came with that option+RNPAR with RF capability, so I stick with iFly then...

[@youtube1555]

Tollis, for me it seems to be of better quality and more elaborate than the plane from the flight fact

[@EdilarinProducts]

FF for me. It's more realistic which is why I play this game.

[@birdie8271]

14:44 you can see how much fps the ff a320 just eats! looks way smoother in the toliss. But ofc this comes down to pc

[@xdiver01]

Nice job man, by the way, this scenery around the airport is Ortho? Tks.

[@Dyzon300]

Hi, Just one question regarding a different topic that we can see on your beautiful video. What are you using to enhance the quality of your XP11 Vulcan visual appearance? It looks so crisp… Xvision or another add-on? Or none? Thank you !

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

I'd like to know how many of the issues identified here have been fixed by Toliss since the video came out!

[@benjwgarner]

It's too bad that neither have an EIS1 option. Without that, I'm not as interested in buying either.

[@Sailor92]

Toliss ofc!!!!

[@HolgerTeutsch]

Very sound and in depth review. If only ToLiss could change this horrible mouse handling...

[@V1Sim]

Thank you Holger Teutsch! Yes, I mentioned that a while back and I believe the solution would require a ton of coding and re coding for the manipulator, seemed pretty low on the priority list at that time

[@HolgerTeutsch]

@@V1Sim Pls. call me Holger 🙂

[@PR_7]

Excellent video as usual. I recently purchased the toliss a321 and am very happy with it. I was thinking of getting the bss iae sound pack for it, I was wondering if anyone knows if the interior sounds that come with it work no matter the engine variant I am flying with (cfm, p&w, leap). I know the engine sounds obviously won't, but am curious about the interior sounds, thanks.

[@ndmz903]

Hi, I own the BSS soundpack for the A319 and I will check this for you tommorow and get back to you

[@V1Sim]

From what I have experienced you can only have 1 soundpack per aircraft. So what I do is i just copy the aircraft folder and rename it to "IAE" or "NEO" Etc. I dont know of a better method at this point in time.

[@ndmz903]

Hi I tested it out, and it appears that the sound doesnt change at all between engine types, not even with the engine sound itself

[@PR_7]

Thank you both for responding, that's all I needed to know to pull the trigger and buy it.

[@Thrust-Set-Simulations]

The BSS IAS package has three different versions corresponding to three IAS engines. You have to copy files for this. I set up three different aircraft folders, one for each engine type.

[@forestrider7970]

I have both myself......Toliss do the A320 and be done with it!

[@Blazs120gl]

Were those updates for the A319 mentioned in the video, also applied for other Toliss Airbus aircraft? I mean, is the current quality of the A319, representative for e.g the A321 as well?

[@jonathankarakas5354]

always preferred Toliss from day 1. FF are arrogant and the product is never finished, just look at all their other offerings.

[@V1Sim]

I cant disagree with you there!

[@a.nelprober4971]

Flightfactor are absolutely gutter. It's a shame that the flightfactor has a much higher quality vibe to it. Toliss doesn't even have a fully animated cockpit. It has bad geometry as well and the cockpit doesnt line up properly with the nose wheel. Toliss is still miles ahead.

[@EdilarinProducts]

Toliss devs are just as arrogant IMO.

[@a.nelprober4971]

@@EdilarinProducts he's really not. Where he disagrees hell usually give you a pretty good reason

[@EdilarinProducts]

@@a.nelprober4971 he has an arrogant attitude toward other devs IMO. But it could have changed since I last reas anything from him

[@rotorfib8719]

need to break down and get the 319 or the 320.. blew a landing in the fbw 320 at a small airport that only had a rnav approach.. it was ugly.. think i'm going with the toliss 319, big fan of their 321, the FF does look slightly better tho.. you didn't mention rnav or non precision approaches but i'm assuming at least the toliss has it since they do in the 321, and IAE.. i mean come on.. IAE baby lol

[@epictetus9766]

Thanks for the comparison video - but please count the number of times you "go ahead" lol.

[@V1Sim]

Sorry!

[@a.nelprober4971]

Pls do this for fenix

[@TheKuritsa]

Is there a chance you can do XP airbuses vs P3D FSL buses to settle or fuel the debate some more? :). Thank you, great concise and informative video as usual.

[@windshearahead7012]

Fslabs is unbeatable and costs $140

[@TheKuritsa]

@@windshearahead7012 I have all FSL 320 planes SL and X and to be honest with you from sim pilot perspective it is no longer that cut and dry. There is plane vs plane comparison and plane in sim vs plane in sim comparison. Plane vs plane with latest renditions of toliss it's a coin toss, again from sim pilot perspective Toliss has more operational features now for half the price like step climbs for example. Flip it around and FSL has fully integrated ground handling plus ATSU/AOC which adds greatly to RPG aspect, but if you factor in the sim sandbox P3D is absolutely monstrous, inflexible, user unfriendly, barely manageable application that spreads like a tumor all over your hard drive. If you factor that in, FSL for me is not worth time, expense and aggravation of installing P3D. It doesn't blow Toliss out of the water far enough to justify the pain. I've installed P3D for PMDG heavy boeings they do absolutely justify expense and pain IMHO since XP counterparts are not even close in quality and FSL was purchased later for contrast compare and role play. So it would be interesting to see what real world airbus pilot thinks of the two products in comparison.

[@ripper253]

I would like that too, every time I ask someone what makes the FSLabs better I always get "it just is" or "ground assets/AOC" I wanna know if there's any more than that or not without a "it just is" :P

[@V1Sim]

@@ripper253 noted 😉 I’ll see what I can do

[@ripper253]

@@V1Sim Appreciate it, doubtful I'll become a convert, but I'd really just enjoy to have a proper rundown of what I'm missing out on, as everything is a bit of a marketing game when it comes to 320's at the moment, which is painfully obvious when you see stuff like comments on the Fenix announcements of "If this is as good as the Toliss" "Of course it'll be better than the Toliss, the real question is if it'll be better than FSLabs" Super curious as to how much room there is between the two for one to be "obviously" beaten whereas FSLabs is "impossible" to beat, something a bit more matter of fact would be nice to hear, that's for sure!

[@i7rooper]

I want to build a A320 cockpit. Which one of these two let me pop screens out (MCDU, PFD, etc) in a separate window so I can drag to other monitors? Which one is more friendly for cockpit building? (access to custom datarefs, etc)

[@morid1n]

Are you using some sort of environment, lighting, sky, weather, etc. mod here? Details please.

[@preachersawyer6925]

i must admit ff got some cons but not major cons if you compare with toliss. toliss looks like 'lite' version of airbus still feels something missing. i am using toliss like sunday trip car

[@theofaulk752]

Toliss A319 --> 👍👍 😎

[@Nixxx2000]

great job thank you

[@V1Sim]

Thanks for watching!

[@ncaviationfilms]

Why does the stall warning on the Toliss only go off when the plane is in Alternate or Direct law?

[@andeeeeers3497]

Thanks for the great review! I use the FF, but would I be better off with the toliss? I don’t really care about FPS at all, and customer service isn’t that big of a deal for me. But would you say switching is worth it? And what would be an appropriate price for the FF do you think?

[@vascoiraola5209]

same. i only care bout systems realism and depth since i´m using it for training

[@rickfloyd451]

This is an interesting review. I wish I had seen this two days ago before I purchased the FF A320. I also own the Toliss A319/21, but I bought those because I couldn't find the A320. I don't know why Toliss didn't just include the A320. I'm still trying to get everything sorted out with this A320 in terms of installation of the aircraft and sounds. The instructions are written so poorly it's unbelievable! But I do see how the FF A320 affects fps. It's atrocious. This is a year-old review. Do you have any updates?

[@pablov7861]

Even after the 1.2.9 update the FPS is bad?

[@rickfloyd451]

@@pablov7861 It's marginally better. Nothing to write home about. Though I like this plane at the surface, there are a lot of issues, at a deeper level, that need fixing and have for a while.

[@AllThingsAviation]

i've always wanted to ask about the initial pitch after Vr of the flight factor, whether it's too sensitive or not. if i pitch up 10 degrees then release the stick after right away the nose DIVES back down. that isn't correct the fbw?

[@nicolasgaticamarcotti6070]

anyone knows if i want to practice non stardard operations and failures of the a320, but i have toliss a319, is it a big difference in terms of system functions, ecam status, qrh? or i must get the a320?

[@ralfr5971]

There are real A320 pilots here who flew both planes. The FF and Toliss and most of them report that the real flight behavior is more like that of the FlightFactor. A Lufthansa pilot who only flies A320 also says that the behavior of the FF A320 is more realistic.

[@ronloveflying]

How to set the settings so I could practice a320 emergency procedures in msfs2020? Thanks

[@peterwengler6521]

Hi is there any good A32* add-on for system failures on the MSFS2020 on the market?

[@V1Sim]

not that I am aware of yet, however i know failures are in the road map for the FBW320

[@coflyer2949]

The toliss is great! I just think the ailerons are too small. The FF does a much better job on modeling flight controls.

[@BokeFlyingSimulations]

the 3D model comes from FF. It's time for our conspiracy theories! ;)