AceBeam X50 Shoot out, High CRI or Max Lumens?

[@mishmash4891]

Impeccable timing i literally had the fc40 in my cart..not anymore thanks Cheule excellent video

[@cheule]

Yeah it only make sense if your doing photography.

[@TMRaven]

Funny how the FC40 looks rosy and the XHP70.2 greenish in the video, even though the Duv values say differently. Domed Crees have had an issue of inconsistent tint over their beam, with the hotspot being rather neutral, corona being very green, and spill being pinkish, which is why I really prefer domeless Crees, because they're more consistent in tint across the beam.

[@cheule]

These XHP70.2 aren’t any different really, they have pretty massive tint shift as well, but even with that tint shift they are much rosier on turbo than the FC40s. The fact that you can’t get video to show what they look like to your eye is infuriating but real. Same think happens with XP-L HI (looks yellow on video, rosy to your eye) and to a lesser extent 219b (looks rosy to your eye, and then very pink on camera-overly so). It’s basically a psycho-visual thing. Our eyes just simply do not see light the same way a camera does. And emitter manufacturer know this and use it to their advantage when they create the phosphors.

[@johngarritzcx6733]

That .s why i love the Cree XPL-HI v3 emitter without any greenish titshift although a domed NICHIA 219series emitter issomuch better no greenish tints

[@joshp4536]

Super interesting video. Shows how tricky it is to decide on how much you’ll like a beam based on photos and video.

[@cheule]

It’s very difficult, especially with the fact that video doesn’t show the Cree emitters the way they look. We’ve noticed this issue with XP-L HI as well.

[@JasonTheZoologist]

Awesome video mate! I am curious about the cooling system, is there any fans? If yes, how loud is it?

[@cheule]

No fans! The Manker MK38 has a fan system of questionable effectiveness. But honestly the new X75 is amazing. Huge output gains and the fans system is best in class. Check out my full review of the X75.

[@JasonTheZoologist]

@@cheule No fan, noted! And I have seen the X75, I am just a little sad they don't have a high CRI version

[@BCsJonathanTM]

I gotta say I'm still really interested in getting an fc40... but heck I guess now I'll just have to get xph70 as well. Schucks. Thanks for the great videos though! The pace, info, and especially quality is really stellar. Just subscribed ✅

[@cheule]

I appreciate it!

[@banboosy]

Ever figure out why the XHP70 looks yellow on cam? Thanks for the vid.

[@cheule]

The fact that you can’t get video to show what they look like to your eye is infuriating but real. Same think happens with XP-L HI (looks yellow on video, rosy to your eye) and to a lesser extent 219b (looks rosy to your eye, and then very pink on camera-overly so). It’s basically a psycho-visual thing. Our eyes just simply do not see light the same way a camera does. And emitter manufacturer know this and use it to their advantage when they create the phosphors

[@westsenkovec]

Did you try the Astrolux EC06? It should be smaller and more pocketable with a few corners cut due to the lover price but man is it fun. And it out performs the manufacturer specs by a lot!

[@edwardtiangco1445]

Stumbled upon your channel and subbed. I like the beam comparison with the color palette. It makes such a difference when reviewing tint and honestly the xhp looks better in my eyes.

[@cheule]

💯 right. The XHP70.2 looks far better to your eyes. The FC40 looks so very green to your eyes, but it’s nearly impossible to catch on camera. This is due to the difference between how a camera records light, and how our brain interprets what we see. And believe me, our eyes do not see the same as cameras. And a lot of folks don’t realize that.

[@Nathan-uo9yf]

Keep the flashlight vids coming man, really helps making decisions seeing them in real life. What’s your favorite show off light? The one that impresses all the non-flashlight people?

[@cheule]

AceBeam K75. On paper it might not seem much better than any other SBT90.2 light, but it’s performs better.

[@paultruesdale7680]

Thanks for the review. I was very curious what the high CRI one would look like. One could argue without the meter the Cree was a lot warmer. I expected the CRI version to be like the MTG2 emitter, but it’s no where near that as well. What gives over at Acebeam?

[@cheule]

I actually don’t like the way FC40 looks to my eye at all. I always prefer the XHP70 80 CRI. Now, once you start photographing, or videoing, the FC40 looks much better. That’s one of the reasons this video was hard to make. But when I got to flashlight meet ups, people are always surprised how green the FC40 looks to your eye, and how great it looks in an image. The XHP70 is the opposite, really rosy in a lot of cases to the eye, and yellow on camera.

[@paultruesdale7680]

Thank you for the explanation. Perhaps Acebeam should illustrate this on the packaging and on the website. I’m learning all the time, but that could have been a very expensive mistake. Thanks again 👍

[@krapeevids6992]

Good info. Love both my mk38 and x50. Got them both based on your reviews. Will you be reviewing the new Imalent 70k lumen soda can light ? Can’t believe they squeezed that many lumens in a soda can light. I have the x70 which is 60k but far larger..kinda bums me out

[@cheule]

Unfortunately I don’t have a hook up with Imalent for a review sample. If they would provide me with one, I’d love to review it. Companies are often reticent to send out sample of expensive equipment, but to be those are exactly the ones you need to spread the word on!

[@multimargejta123]

How much CRI is Nichia 219BT SW45K?

[@cheule]

95+ CRI

[@tjackman]

I've been subscribed for a few months now, great videos and great reddit posts! I wish the X50 fit more into my needs, I've got a D18 that is already bright enough I just wish it could handle the heat better. I use it for long nighttime longboard rides and I feel like the handle on that MK38 would suite me perfectly.

[@BrackDynamite]

Great video! Few if any comparisons of this light in high cri and high output configs, thanks!

[@mlangham179]

Try a light that is high CRI and has the dome installed on the LED. The light emission pattern for domed leds is better in my opinion with reflectors. They make for a more even distribution. I think the reflector for a domed vs no dome led should be different.

[@BlueWingedRino]

My most powerful light is the D18 and I think I went with 5K or 6K, it's been a while and I cannot recall the exact emitter. I do have a few high CRI lights and I really like them but I also like a less warm looking light and not burning my hands too. In the end though it is good to have different choices and I enjoy trying new emitters as much as new lights at times.

[@hardusvd]

Thanks for this info.

[@StrangeSwag]

me with $3 to my name: “yeah i should totally get the CREE instead” 🤠

[@1w561]

To CRI, or to Cree, that is the question. Tint shouldn't be a problem for the eyes to adjust to, unless you're in an environment with other light sources, but you're always going to be missing those low CRI wavelengths. Do your neighbors ever complain about the floodlights being blasted down the street? Must look like an alien abduction in some of those rooms.

[@DualShockTree]

Oh man I'm awaiting a GT-FC40 X50... kinda bummed now haha. Great video though! Still excited to see what it turns out like. I've stayed well clear of XHP5xxx and XHP70xxx equipped lights because I really don't like the tint shift and in my opinion poor quality light, so the FC40 stood out to me. At the end of the day, I can always sell it if I really don't like it haha. Thanks again for the video Cheule!

[@DaKeithCody]

I’ve got a FLIR heat camera if you want to see how hot they get.

[@cheule]

Oooooooooo! .

[@eskay231]

the color is a million times better on the fc40.. so glad i watched this video..im interested in a big fill flashlight for photography.. I wish the Fc40 wasn't sold out :(

[@cheule]

It’s hard to explain until you do enough reviews, but there is a “Cree Video issue” that me and my reviewing buddies have realized. Cree emitters look yellow and weird on video, but rosy and nice in person. Basically, what you see on video looks different than it looks in person. We’ve tried over and over to get video to look the way we see it, but it’s impossible because the sensor just doesn’t work like our eyes/brain combo.

[@eskay231]

@@cheule 10-4, thats common with lower CRI light sources to change color at different shutter speeds and ISO's.. Thats why the fc40 is more appealing not only will it be more of a "what you see is what you get".. I should be able to manipulate the color more as well in post production. Thanks again for the vid. Cheers

[@TorchHacker]

FC40 looks neutral and crisp while the XHP looks green and washed out in the video. 🤯🤔

[@cheule]

The video does NOT mirror what it looks like in real life. That’s one of the key issues I try to point out. In real life the XHP70.2 looked way better!

[@artiet5982]

I mean it makes a lot of sense the xhp70.2 Version is a lot better, it's basically comparing the most efficient LED on the market to a very inefficient LED. Inefficient in brightness, heat, and ultimately battery life. There would be no reason xhp70.2 wouldn't beat it. Based completely on use of Course Edit: that white wall shot is so crazy! It's just like XPL-hi, Because the GTFC 40 looks so much nicer on camera. But I know exactly what you're talking about of course.

[@cheule]

It’s aggravating that these emitters look so different between eyes and camera!

[@tconno1975]

Ty

[@EdwardPollaro]

I agree with you 💯 👍

[@EdwardPollaro]

I'm glad you read that. I have a question, did you experience and weirdness in turbo and high modes?(I heard that on 2 different occasions). Also if you know best discount code for that(pretty expensive!) Thank you, and I enjoy watching your thorough reviews 😊

[@lucasf123]

They could upgrade the hiCRI version with XHP70.3 95TLCI when available. I don't know why they chose 4500K for a "photography" light.

[@cheule]

I love this idea.

[@Stormyday-zg7iz]

What is CRI and what does it do?

[@cheule]

This video should help! kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5isk56cqr-dfpY

[@Stormyday-zg7iz]

@@cheule thanks for the video, so when you say high cri, you are referring to the colour of tint as apposed to being warm or cool?

[@vamheredur413]

@@Stormyday-zg7iz Colour Rendering Index is how accurately the LEDs present colours to your eyes. For instance high CRI emitters really make the red colours pop, vibrant and full of colour, whereas on your typical low CRI cold white the red just looks washed out and cold.

[@Stormyday-zg7iz]

@@vamheredur413 thanks for the info

[@thedanwriter1]

The CRI difference was day and night

[@LiquidAudio]

Seriously enjoy this channel, great comparison and love the technical assessment!

[@cheule]

Yay! I love this kind of feedback!

[@LiquidAudio]

@@cheule Mate, such a pleasure, keep up the great work. Cheers from Perth, Western Australia!

[@benbraceletspurple9108]

I don't think 28,000 lumens is realistic. Hope that wasn't TI lumen tube.

[@rastislavstanik]

edit: to my eyes..it is clearly different in this video and better for the high CRI version

[@cheule]

I think you are forgetting the how it looks in person and on camera is vastly different.

[@rastislavstanik]

@@cheule sorry you are correct camera cuts off a lot of information and many thanks for your vids!

[@benbraceletspurple9108]

Men see 20% less color than women. And still for photos there is a difference. With wider color difference you can see it, and even there you can see a difference, but lower output makes seeing color harder anyhow, so for personal use by males, it is pretty silly.

[@Lucas-ck1po]

Thanks Cheule, soo much for the informative video about this. This is an amazing piece of information. I am really surprised that you, such sw45k lover, tint advocate would end up having a conclusion leaning towards anything xhp XX.2 There's something to take in consideration about these monster cans is that they are supposed to be work horses, whoever buys a flashlight like this is in probable need of lighting up an entire area at once. This requires power. Alot of it, and for that the ability to generate more light than heat is necessary, more than a little more red. And tint is often more noticeable than CRi. This is an awesome observation. I think that whoever needs photography lights may be better served with those little cat shifting panels anyways. But for the sake of light quality Improvement, perhaps the next gen of this light having the third gen of xhp70 emitters may have a significant bump in tint quality.

[@cheule]

I call it code switching. There is a time and place for CRI. I just don’t need high CRI in my throwers or massive flooders. I’m going for max intensity or lumens; respectively. Now when it comes to edc or indoor lights, 100% I care about CRI.

[@jimmyross1672]

yeah i got my light to max power so my sofrin Q8 plus gets hot fast but it holds it output very well and the run times are really good for the price of the light lol

[@jimmyross1672]

man i love leds

[@jimmyross1672]

lol i was going to say i looks like the other light is better but yeah thats on camera but yeah i deffinitly wouldnt use this light just for making videos so yeah i would pick the cree XHP70 better then the other light but i still like the other one as well so it would be hard for me to pick if i had to lol but yeah