ACHERON BACKSTORY! Explaining "Kyoden: A Cleave Across the Transient World", Honkai Star Rail Lore

[@GameAddict_Fr]

Another W vid by catwithbluehat. if this guy was an aeon he would be nous (the erudition). dude has learnt EVERY.SINGLE.THING about the three hoyoverse franchises. dude has an answer to everything fr.

[@norixiuseroth7999]

His members helped him, credited at the end of the video, which is nice of him. They are like his Emanators 😂

[@Aliveee24]

u just have to reaadd!

[@ludwigvanbeethoven5176]

More like Fuli ngl

[@GameAddict_Fr]

@@norixiuseroth7999haha true. i wonder what emanators of erudition would look like tho

[@lev9354]

@@GameAddict_Fr no need to wonder u get her for free

[@Absolute_Crimson]

1:50 Out of all the HI3 references I noticed that when Acheron was falling it's similar to when Kiana was falling after she was defeated by Mei in Nagazora and Mei caught her (if you know you know). But this time Mei falls and there's no one to catch her. (The Bad End)

[@pixelmikki]

Ughhh )': where is kiana!?! Mei needs her!

[@CurseOxuin]

​@@pixelmikkiWell Stele is here now :)

[@Dazzle_Dork]

​@@pixelmikki or even Kevin

[@communitygamer117]

@@pixelmikki Doesn't exist or dead. Also don't think Acheron's name is Mei

[@blackcarol5903]

@@Dazzle_Dork Acheron fighting with Kevin, she using Origin and Kevin using Finality were reference HI3 final battle but this time Bronya and Kiana were never existed

[@PixelleHearts]

I don't think the lie was that the planets themselves would reach their end... I think the lie was that Izumo kept telling itself that the invaders, the thousands of kami, the Yaoyorozu, descended upon their land to simply invade and kill... rather, I think it was that they were seeking a way to survive with what little time they had left. I think that Takamagahara, the land of the divine gods, was circling ever closer than Izumo to being absorbed into the black hole, so when they invaded, the humans assumed that the kami were evil. It was this first blood assumption that forged the lie of the us VS them mentality of the residents of Izumo. The lie was that with each passing life from Izumo, Takamagahara would lay claim to its right of occupancy. When It was just down to Acheron to fight for her right to exist, she slew literally everything in her path without reconciling the difference between a neighboring planet's destruction and her own right to continue the legacy of Izumo. When she was the sole survivor left standing, what would Izumo's continuation even equate to but a place of desolation and despair? She could have easily just let the kami win so that their species could at least exist, but in the end, she slew everything for the sake of the unwashable blood debt that she can never repay because everyone she ever loved no longer is alive to appreciate the closure. It is in this final action that she condemns both planets to erasure by ultimately forging the Naught blade that causes the black hole to go unstable and wipe out both planets, ultimately making the war for survival pointless. Those she fought for did not survive, and those she fought against killed everyone and ultimately gained nothing. I would call it a pryrrhic victory, but that would assert the idea that both sides won equally when in reality both side lost everything and made their entire existence mean nothing, hence nihility. People wanted Acheron to be Finality, but Finality asserts the idea that there is a clear resolution where something dictates that there is an end. In Acheron's case, she seemingly gave in to accepting that there was no end at all because there would be nobody to cherish a budding result in the end. Ironically, the story wasn't even a zero-sum game in the end because Izumo didn't gain anything by Takamagahara's loss, and Takamagahara didn't gain anything from Izumo's loss. It was as if the game was rigged from the start and that the sum would never be more than zero.

[@CatWithBlueHat]

I like your interpretation!

[@dontshitontravelermains5498]

THIS is the EXPLANATION that everyone deserve to read! So many players during 2.0 are all thought Acheron being emanator of Nihility rather than Finality would be very boring but after her trailer in Myriad Celestial, everything are all make sense now!

[@key_mochi7157]

This. THIS.

[@ZakuZuko]

Is the black hole IX or some version of it?

[@dontshitontravelermains5498]

⁠@@ZakuZukoEither IX themselves or part of the black hole which is still coming from them.

[@shooshiwhooshi8736]

Black Swan was so shaken after looking at Acheron's memories. I see why!

[@valk5041]

Black swan saw the bad ending of Honkai Impact 😭

[@QuangHaMinh-hg8vs]

BS was literally us seeing GGZ and PE HI3's endings fr

[@mellowdius]

Honestly after Acheron embraced Nihility I can only imagine what happened after she left Izumo, poor black swan just wanted to know if she could cook or not

[@vinzolaguer2943]

Maybe because she is Emanator of IX?

[@faikae]

"shaken" she was traumatized 😭😭

[@raikumokun5595]

Maybe "The End" acheron was fighting might not be a Kiana variant but a Kevin variant cuz the JP VA of the narrator for the trailer is the same one as Kevin. Also wut if the reason why Acheron is in penacony is because what if she's looking for the watchmaker? Both Frebass and the watchmaker are nameless, and what if they personally knew each other in the past and maybe he also knows acheron. So she's looking for him and she's probably gonna ask him what's her past like in order to remember the past again, maybe that's the reason why shes in penacony

[@wildanfaza2445]

Well, in GGZ, kevin is kiana's variant from another world

[@keitokarl]

probably what like kevin wants, get the watchmaker for herself and use it to reverse time on her planet and start anew, just like how hi3 did with fuhua restarting civilization

[@Heshu-i2t]

it's about ggz (honkai 2nd)

[@mothskey]

Going to confirm this with the new Acheron trailer where she looks at the TV screen that features her in kimono telling her to find her, Acheron's End which is also "Her" Origin

[@Heshu-i2t]

@@mothskey there's also a part where it says "self-annihilator" behind her. which means she's ending everything to achieve her origin

[@endwarAH80blackfoot]

Finally! Acheron's lore finally makes sense and gives a clear picture. Mine was almost the same, but I lacked real context as I didn't know that her world orbited a black hole. That Takamagahara was another planet, not a pocket realm or parallel dimension to Izumo like I speculated. Suddenly this makes alot more sense. Thank you for the video.

[@stormyenglish_23]

why is acheron alive tho? after being swallowed shouldnt she be dead? /gen

[@keynako_7]

​@@stormyenglish_23 she probably escaped before that happened

[@illusionarieee]

@@stormyenglish_23 IX (Aeon of Nihility) spared her and let her go source: Dead Waters relic set

[@dontshitontravelermains5498]

@@stormyenglish_23 Because she is the chosen one, the one who will be emanator of nihility. From IX’s POV, there is like zero reason to just kill her right off the bat so she probably get spared by IX like other reply suggested.

[@endwarAH80blackfoot]

@@illusionarieee Not sure spared so much as let herself walk out. If Nihilty or IX is pretty much aloof or rather in constant sadness and wallows in the meaningless of all things, then I can imagine Acheron was able to survive and walked out of the depths. Doing this action as proof of her emanator status that she not only has survived, but is able to utilize the power of IX itself. And since the Nihility doesnt really care one or another she can tap into Nihility freely dependant on how much of herself she can remain human. Both in mind and form. This is how I can imagine she killed Duke. An immortal energy lifeform like a heliobus. He was not stronger than Acheron in will and just overall the raw power of Nihility.

[@tamaaaa1517]

the acheron we saw on a dream when we're still on the journey to penacony was acheron from the future. after becoming the emanator of nihillity, she probably gained some powers related to black hole. she could be using the tesseract(4D space) inside a blackhole to travel in time and guide us in the dream just before we arrive in penacony. just like in the movie interstellar when cooper is able to communicate with his daughter in the past while inside the tesseract after falling to a blackhole

[@TheoDimitry]

If that's true i should start watching that movie, no wonder people are praising it.

[@heppelhopv2]

@@TheoDimitry its god tier

[@Aliveee24]

@@TheoDimitry its a great movie, if ur in to sci-fi

[@kw3565]

Btw, the tesseract isn't actually a thing that would be inside a blackhole (at least not that we know of), its created only as a plot device for interstellar, which the blackhole itself is an artificial one made by human in the future.

[@Acheron-IX]

i watches the movie a few months ago with my dad. loved how everything tied back together too

[@spymadmax584]

For those who don't dont played hi3 ,they used KEVIN'S VA for narration in both JP and CN. Kevin is the main male antagonist in hi3 part 1 of kiana arc.

[@156_____11]

Hi3 will always hold a special place in my heart! I love Genshin and am starting HSR but Hi3 somehow hits different and hits the emotional side deeper.

[@AstraLuna-o9i]

The Swords being made from the Sovereigns is parallel to the 12 Divine Keys being forged from 12 Herscher Cores. Also you can hear the melody from Raiden Mei’s short animation, Lament of the Fallen (Honkai World Diva) in the video. The Male voice actor that narrates in Chinese and Japanese is none other than the VA’s for Kevin Kaslana.

[@grandcanon27]

How about Key of Blankness? Guess who was the first user of it.

[@Teniun1992]

There is also intro of Nightglow, when they show the Death blade, right before the Fire one. Quite messed up if you ask me, but yeah... fitting.

[@its_dark_girl9811]

cant believe hoyo gave us basically all of acherons past but it does make sense seeing as she can't remember anything, and trying to delve in her memories will destroy you. theres also the fact that in greek mythology, the river acheron is the river of misery and woe

[@AndréSheckman]

1. Truth ( Herrscher of Reason) 2. Sky ( Herrscher of Void) 3. Howl (Herrscher of Thunder) 4. Mist (Herrscher of Wind) 5. Frost (Herrscher of Ice) 6. Fate (Herrscher of Death) 7. Flare (Herrscher of Fire) 8. Thought (Herrscher of Consciousness) 9. Root (Herrscher of Earth) 10. Form (Herrscher of Domination) 11. Bind (Herrscher of Binding) 12. Maw (Herrscher of Corruption) 13. Origin (Herrscher of Origin) 14. End (Herrscher of Finality)

[@nevanV12]

Someone will be mad. It should be Sentience not Consciousness. Prepare to be Yatta'd

[@alter8457]

Number 8 is supposed to be herrscher of sentience no?

[@ardiseptian122]

​​@@alter8457Alternate name same meaning and power

[@wtisosmair6961]

@@nevanV12 😭haha lol u predicted it

[@Itskaty._.]

​@nevanV12 it's herrscher of yatta, actually

[@rafif8022]

so this is why she asks trailblazer about "if you knew the end from the very beginning, would you still live the life you're given to?" it was pretty obvious that she's the lone survivor from the start just from that question alone, but to know it's actually confirmed was...tragic. this trailer does answer some of the questions about acheron, but not everything. i hope we get more lore about her in 2.1.

[@Dazzle_Dork]

Tbh, my answer is still the same. I probably will

[@Quiet_Jay_C]

Developers confirmed that Acheron will retain significance in Penacony's story 'till version 2.3 There would be many mysteries and to be uncovered and a lot of time needed 'till we get all the answers. We must stay strong, brother

[@dontshitontravelermains5498]

The fact that majority of the players linked that sentence to Finality instead And now that we know the true meaning behind it…

[@umascariatuerich2014]

That's an interpretation of Japanese mythology done incredibly well. In mythological accounts of Japan there was a time where Kami started to go on mainland from their place of birth. Some was birth by Izanami and Izanagi in various ways and descended from the heavens and some had spontaneously birthed from the land itself (usually from natural phenomena). So there was a division from kami from the Land and Kami from the Heavens. Now the land of Kami in heaven was called "Takamagahara" (rings a bell?) and while the kami on land was about everywhere there was a place more important and "organized" than others, and at this point you may got the name, Izumo it is. There was a sort of struggle between the kami from the land and the kami from the heavens and at certain point there was made peace/accord between kamis. This is reflected also in some quasi-historical accounts (basically something like that happened and was mythologized later) when the people of Izumo was submitted by the Yamato people. I'm not going to tell here the legends of the two main warrior/chieftains of the time known as Izumo Takeru and Yamato Takeru (Takeru sounds as first name here but means something like "Chieftains of a big tribe"). There quite a number of interesting legends linked to these two but not seems much relevant here. Point is the tutelar kami of Izumo was different even if related to the Yamato's. In the end, and apparently after quite some time historically speaking, Yamato people (and their Kami) won and and that part of the land was "unified" under Yamato chieftainship that gradually was becoming "imperial rule" So this is basically the retelling of the (mythological) History of Japan mixed with HSR and HI3 lore and sci-fi vibes and I could say it's very well done up to now.

[@ooo-w8v2n]

that explains why both planets are parted in half on her signature planar set (orb) in-game

[@1stThumbnails]

If all of that was in fact IX's handiwork, pretty much meant all or most Emanator's are "created" by the Aeon through their scenarios, making them accept what the aeon wants to do at the end.

[@shijou2867]

through their scenarios.. reminds me of a certain manhwa 😅

[@yixo]

Kinda doubt that cuz Herta exists.

[@keitokarl]

@@yixo i mean isnt erudition only be just become smarter and use this smart for purposes

[@netherfire50]

I think that's specifically nihility cause... nihility.

[@yixo]

@@keitokarl Well I don't really see a way where Nous could "create" Herta. She was just born this way. I really can't see a way to make someone want knowledge for the sake of it. You could make someone want knowledge so they can do something else (save a loved one, gain power idk) but that'd kinda violate the idea of erudition as you would really be just using erudition for different means. Herta really just seems to love knowledge and finds things interesting and will do anything to understand them, the moment it stops peaking her interest she just drops it making her the perfect embodiment of erudition. She's chasing knowledge purely for knowledge.

[@Wintheen]

I don't play Honkai except HSR and don't understand a thing but this short video can explain them clearly. Thankyou.

[@Karoshi000]

from my understanding they arent related yet (at least directly) as of now, its more like a reference/different timeline so you dont really have to play other honkai

[@shanty2782]

Same, I don't understand a single thing these hi3 players keep yapping about, hsr should keep it's lore and characters original just like genshin .

[@tenderjuicyhotdog27]

@@shanty2782 lmao as if genshin doesn't have any references from HI3

[@Doro-bashi]

​@@tenderjuicyhotdog27those are just references, that's all, they have their own history and are not dependant on another to keep going

[@Karoshi000]

@@shanty2782 no offense but you dont have to be salty bcs ur not feeling included lol just play and enjoy at your own experience

[@saltybalot3021]

She was supposed to be a destruction or erudition in terms of gameplay path but her power of emanator is so strong that she forces the game to make her nihility.

[@noiko4418]

Idk if you see the live stream or not but it always been Nihility right from the start by the creator of archeron. In her animation short we also see IX or a black hole if I am wrong, but in her trailer we also saw the word Naught (Nothing) then we saw Acheron that definitely mean something. In conclusion the highest chance of her been Emanator of Nihility is the highest after all we learn from what MHY has show and tell us

[@F4-agqfq]

her gameplay fits nihility, she just applies DoT in a more powerful and assertive manner

[@SilverSaber012]

@@F4-agqfq debuff**

[@keitokarl]

@@F4-agqfqdot u mean debuffs, nihility is debuff, dot is a type of debuff, acheron using her life as sword, debuffing her life force to increase strength or dmg

[@synxcze_d_boazzz]

​​@@noiko4418 in the live stream, they suggested acheron as the path of hunt as the early concept, but they changed it to the path of nihility. You can check the livestream time stamp at 14.50

[@andr0zzsenpai]

I also noticed that for this Raiden they were inspired by Rean Schwarzer from Trails of Cold Steel. His Eight Leaves One Blade style is that of the Void (無) same kanji as Naught, both turns their hair to white, etc. It is known the HSR devs are big fans of Trails, so it wouldn't surprise me tbh.

[@xaviaxs]

tbh even her ulti and her transformation basically rean in his demon form

[@darknessknows1235]

It should also be mentioned one of the things in her kit is called Red Oni. Obviously we know that Onis matter in her lore, but in the Trails series, Rean's spirit unification form is meant to be called an Oni

[@starpeep5769]

Mihoyoverse and their references

[@BlackSkarrow]

One correction: Acheron didnt accept Nihility. If she did, she would have annihilated her own existence. She defied Nihility (slashing her sword towards the Aeon) and thus survived getting self-annihilated, therefore becoming an Emanator in the process. This can be confirmed in the data bank and the latest official infographic posted by Hoyo. Besides this, the video is pretty much correct! A well presented video❤😊

[@christopherpierce6609]

Appreciate how he kept this video simple and didn't try to over-explain. Just a great easily digestible background explanation.

[@gingerroot420]

Couple things that should be added, a couple days ago Hoyo compiled a bunch of info relating to emanators. The last page takes about the self annihilators and IX. One line in particular that stands out talks about how there are those who conceive the notion to fight back and wish to kill the aeon. Could be linked to Acheron attacking the black hole

[@mirageknight8070]

Yes because IX is impressed by his favorite followers that decide to go against the Nihilistic world and is through these people that he may find his reason for existing.

[@mirageknight8070]

Yes because IX is impressed by his favorite followers that decide to go against the Nihilistic world and is through these people that he may find his reason for existing.

[@aspectparadox6654]

But that's only the Doctors of Chaos who do so, not Self-Annihilators@@mirageknight8070

[@kenkaneki3873]

​@@mirageknight8070In a weird way IX is actually the most positive Aeon. If this is true than the real purpose of IX existence....is for you to overcome Nihility and regain meaning in your Life. Purple blob is a real one.

[@RemiToast9]

​@@kenkaneki3873this is what i was saying, purple blob is cute

[@infinitygamecosmic9171]

If the narrator is Kevin From what I remember Kevin and Cealus (male MC) shared the same Chinese VA... I'm seeing a Spiderman meme here

[@bluefifth]

I saw another theory on Bilibili that in this scene 1:40 the other hands turning into demon hands was symbolising the people of Izumo had become the new "kami", for the power of kami (the swords) had corrupted them. Izumo would turn into a planet full of "kami" and eons later when human civilisation is born on Takamagahara the kami of Izumo will invades and the loop will repeat until eternity. (by saying Takamagahara used to be neon cities it may be talking about the previous loop) If we assume this theory is true then the reason Acheron embraced nihility would change. It may go like this: After learning this truth and forged a blade from all other blades, her memories of her civilization and everyone she loves and her life. with this blade of Naught she ends the hopeless loop of the two planets forever. nihility was the only way to truly break the loop and "save" the planets.

[@khai_xi]

The way I waited for this guy to upload so I can understand

[@darkroyal2276]

Ikr I didn't know it'd be so soon though. Love it.

[@tiexcer7444]

Thank you so much for explaining in short and simple. I was looking for somebody to explain the trailer for players like me who only play HSR.

[@Illvyore]

Yes, indeed. I am re-experiencing HI3 in my veins. Perhaps since the maiden (Acheron) had imbued the katana with her soul, she was able to retain certain memories. What a tragic life. 😢

[@keitokarl]

maybe she/herself is the sword and her body is just a vessel now, like raiden ei with the shogun

[@Illvyore]

@@keitokarl Yeah, it makes sense. I hope we can find the answer soon on 2.1. Sadly I just play Honkai series, lemme dig down on my Genshin friend. 👍🏻

[@かたわれ時-e7x]

Thank you I was so confused by everything

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

What happened on Izumo is that there was no Cocoon of Finality on their Moon, instead there was a Cocoon of Nihility(black hole), so instead of reaching Finality, they reached Nihility, there was no End, there was only Null. What very likely also happened is that there's no Kiana who represents Hope and becomes Finality to balance with Raiden's Orgin. Instead there was only Kevin as The End with his Sentinel Blade being the Judgment of Shamash. With no equivalent of Kiana and an entity as "understanding" as the Cocoon of Finality, the entire fight on Izumo was literally just for Nothing, Nihility.

[@F4-agqfq]

kiana the clone of kallen? i mean kevin had another method too

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

@@F4-agqfqKiana as stated by the devs represents Hope and she is the most important character in Honkai, by not having her it means there's no Hope. Raiden will always be fighting alongside Kiana, but we can see that Izumo Raiden ended up alone fighting Kevin with no Kiana. And there's nothing anyone can do, Raiden, Kevin, Izumo, Takamagahara, all of them were meant to be destroyed by the black hole, it was all for nothing.

[@sussysinsis2450]

Underrated comment, so true.

[@F4-agqfq]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat nihility still has imaginary energy that powers its emenators, maybe if they utilized the energy sooner or differently, they would have survived

[@F4-agqfq]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat i don’t see a reason why a widely supported “project ark” would not work for izumo

[@miadaorerk1681]

I never played HI3 so when all the comments were freaking out I was just like "ooo pretty!" so thanks for this! Very good explanation.

[@renfukuyama5385]

as someone who didn't play HI3, your video analysis helps me a lot.

[@DlolFace]

2:31 i mean theoretically, it is possible for a planet to orbit a black hole with a certain distance and a certain mass of the black hole, the problem is that black hole will always increase it's size so eventually the planet will be consumed by black hole which is very fascinating 4:32 could nihility itself being a reference to the will of honkai ?

[@justDani99]

well yeah but that happens with stars aswell

[@DlolFace]

​@@justDani99with the stars it's actually explodes after it run out of its fuel, but black hole will always devour

[@Certifiedprecog27809]

​@@DlolFacenot always explode, only if it has enough mass to collapse into black hole

[@senelclark101]

Black hole will eventually decrease in size and dissipate if it doesn’t gobble up stuff via Hawking radiation.

[@ifakeifake7612]

Tbh planet can't survive close to blach hole.

[@BILISenjans]

I saw someone pointed out how Rondo trailer reflect of the fate of the twin planets. Acheron and BS’s swirling tango was hinting the twin planets Izumo and Takamagahara circling each other. Where BS is like the latter engaging the former, held the upper hand at first but ultimately defeated. Also, Takamagahara might have invaded Izumo not for living space but intentionally cultivating an entity strong enough to neutralize the cataclysm threatening both planets. Acheron as the sole survivor turns out to be what they envisioned, but little did they know even she was unable to stop planets’ ultimate demise. With nothing to lose and nowhere to return, only nihility fills her heart.

[@exu7325]

I think the Kami were desperate and just hoping that Izumo might have a stable orbit. If they knew both planets share the same fate, they'd probably try to cooperate and pool resources. That's the "lie", that they're fighting over the last habitable place in their system.

[@AggressivePeanut]

I think they mention explicitly that Izumo and Taka were orbiting a “shadow of IX” specifically. I’m not super clear on what that means beyond the fact theyre “creations” of IX. Presumably it visited their galaxy and inverted their sun, hence why the black hole was emitting light (something it physically should be able to do if we’re adhering to real life physics). It seems that self annihilators are forged when someone can withstand being in proximity to a shadow for an extended period of time, poor Acheron certainly did that.

[@Glossious]

I just want to say, that this video was really well made in the way that you clearly, and easily explained Acheron's backstory. this helped me a lot to understand what her backstory was

[@jakeail1995]

There is also some interesting detail that you didn’t touch on, likely coz it not related to acheron backstory but i would still like to point out: - the male voice talking through the whole video, the white demon, was likely the holder of “end” sword which likely got cut down by Acheron in the end. - The white demon also mention how “it start with human but end with oni” thingy, looking at how Acheron have horn, it draw similarity to MANTIS in previous era of hi3, where they implanted honkai beast gene into soldier to make them stronger to be able to fight honkai better. So it likely Izumo people did something similar with the Kami they slay

[@F4-agqfq]

chimera kevin?

[@jakeail1995]

@@F4-agqfq i mean Diabolic Kevin is his boss form name so white demon is likely refer to him. On why White demon is wielder of "end" sword, If you look at the "end" sword it kinda look like judgement of shamash, the video also mention 12 sword was reforged into 2 bearer, Acheron holding the "origin" one then who hold the "end" one, the only person been talking to her the entire video, the white demon

[@F4-agqfq]

@@jakeail1995 nice ok

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

IX may not be as dangerous like some other Aeons, but the moment you get near to it, it swallows you regardless of how strong you are, just like how Black Holes IRL work, no matter how big of a star is it will be devoured by a black hole.

[@lesterism]

IX is literally the most dangerous Aeon so far. Much more threatening than Nanook can be.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@lesterismIX is not that dangerous if you are far from it's vicinity unlike other Aeons that are very hostile like Nanook. In fact in the database IX is considered to be a peaceful Aeon, just don't be near it LMAO. Ouroboros on the other hand is much more dangerous because just like IX, it's also considered a black hole as well, but it's more mobile and eats anything it came across.in it's path.

[@dontshitontravelermains5498]

⁠@@lesterismI mean, that true. At least if everyone united together and using big forces against Nanook, he might actually get defeated but that is not the same case with IX as it is literally a black hole that not only swallow up anything easily but also let people immediately lose all of their reasons to exist that eventually led them to surrender themselves toward IX.

[@Doflaminguard]

Well Nanook is currently the youngest Aeon. ​@@lesterism

[@kravt3772]

I'd say it's debatable. IX seems to be quite passive. As Nihility they naturally don't care enough to spread their influence, whatever happenes to get into their orbit is erased and that's it. While Nanook is proactive in his pursuit to destroy everything in universe.@@lesterism

[@seyulle]

Another honkai (GGZ) ref is that Izumo have 70,033 blades (ref to GGZ's total herrschers) and from them, they forged it again to make 12 Sentinel sword (ref to HI3rd's total 12 Herrschers).

[@reneesalinas]

Nice, thanks for this! I'm an hi3 player and i knew it was _loosly_ paralleling HI3 with the Sentinals and Edict Edges being like the Previous Era Herrschers and the Divine Keys, but the actual events and settings that lead to the worlds being destroyed were still lost to me, so this cleared up a lot😅

[@muhammadaffry2123]

I'd say that trailer have 75% of HI3 reference, HI3 player eating good on this trailer and glad you made video for HSR player to understand

[@amirridzuannnnn]

Right? I did know a few references, but I stopped playing HI3 midway. The hype felt lesser for me.

[@n-em1qp]

@@amirridzuannnnn true. it's just exhausting for me

[@ironheadedDoF]

Thank you for making this one. Even as a lore enthusiast, the original video left me with some confusion.

[@NightBagoly13]

Thank you for making this video its amazing how well you understand the lore helped me wrap around my head more easily and poor acheron she is so insanely strong but so lonely and depressed just let her travel with the express.

[@AladiahV97]

If the Herrschers and the Divine Weapons of Acheron's world are equivalent in power to those on the Earth of HI3rd there's no longer any discussion: an Aeon is much, much bigger than anything on HI3rd, and could completely absord the Earth with everyone in it.

[@starpeep5769]

It was obvious herrschers were limited to earth

[@Kamarazalmanx]

Thank you so much for making this one!!! I was like, really confused about the kami and takagahara and izumo were. The fact they wete both planets orbiting a black hole scaped me as well! I thought thw black hole was there representing ix, looking over the struggle and deciding to make acheron an emanator. I did understand it was like, an ugly war of sorts where only acheron was the survivor. And then acheron felt despair like what were we even fighting for, if even thought we won, everything was lost either way?? But the fact there was a black hole ever-precent during the struggle, made everything worse. Both planets really had no other end except anihilation.

[@Shikao87]

I love your deep dives. Also, the more I learn about Acheron, the more I like her! ^_^

[@aph1126]

as a guy who doesn't know much about honkai impact 3rd, I was waiting for this

[@krazy167]

OH MY GOODNESS, I WAS REALLY SHOCKED WHEN THEY SHOWED THE SWORDS, at first i was like hmmm that look like HOV but then i also saw one that look like wendy, god i love honkai

[@ZevrinYT]

Thank you !! I was afraid that having HI3rd lore knowledge would become necessary, but it's not the case and we just needed to read the 2 previous trailers' descriptions. Your video is however very well made and a way better way of gaining said knowledge, so thanks again ! :)

[@kuroineko975]

How come up with this so fast bro the trailer was'nt even up for a day salute😎

[@herexcellency4304]

it kinda similar to raiden ei nihilistic behaviour when she locked herself inside plane of ethymia after being overwhelmed by grief.

[@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986]

Nah fits more with raiden mei

[@herexcellency4304]

@@yddyhrxhtfxgfhxtfh3986of cours, raiden ei is inspired from mei itself

[@davidm4171]

It doesn't have anything to do with Ei, the dev said she's more into Mei

[@herexcellency4304]

@@davidm4171 yeah? I'm saying nihility is not strange concept for ei since she's inspired by mei as well

[@F4-agqfq]

⁠@@davidm4171no one said anything about that, they were just comparing

[@elisakallai4136]

Wow!! Thank you so much!! I felt quite disappointed cause although the trailer looked cool, I hadn't understood anything, but thanks to you I now have so I'm relieved!

[@oloyolopl]

I watched the trailer and had no idea what was going on. Thanks for the quick and simple summary!

[@NemoRackkz]

Your videos for this game are the only ones I should watch honestly

[@wildtigers25]

Thank you for explaining it simply!

[@wuzimiko]

Another theory I read about the end was a lie was that Takamagahara and Izumo were in fact locked in a cycle. Izumo's residents turned into oni after they were corrupted by Takagahamara's powers, and there was a line that goes "Takagahamara might've been just as beautiful as Izumo" in the trailer. Takamagahara now has no "gods" as Izumo has slain them all, and Izumo is now rife with "onis". Essentially they've traded places. But Acheron managed to forge the blade "Naught", which ended both planets, giving them a true ending.

[@wogiebonbon6287]

Now it made more sense why black swan kept being killed in various ways when she peeks into acheron's memories. Acheron was basically in an endless battle defending her inevitably dying planet..

[@Ebyruchan]

this really helped me, thanks. I was confused by the story and the way it was going, but it makes a lot more sense to me now :D

[@LearningToLinka]

Thank you so much this was super helpful! I really appreciate it

[@noname-lb3sg]

I love how they used Honkai world diva in the trailer and nigh Glow

[@HermitGRAB]

Another HIM video! Since I'm new to Honkai lore stuff in general, seeing your vids really help me put things together. But I'll also play HI3 to help myself understand further. Sub earned!

[@razgrizadler]

oh wow thanks for clearing this up! I was confused as hell

[@chi3fmarz]

amazing explanation G!!

[@Anthony-jg6pg]

I have no idea how did you understand this all, but thank you for explaining it so simply! The game has really nice lore, too bad it's so complex that it's hard to digest.

[@junkonatsumizaka5149]

I love your videos so much, thank you for all this info because I had no idea what was going on in that last trailer!

[@badastic8478]

Thanks bro, these lore videos help so much

[@Sole_Survivor.]

I love how he used interstellar's black hole as an example of black hole that the two planets orbits

[@СергейТюрин-ъ9с]

ooooh thank you! now I understand what it was about! I heard somewhere before, that Izumo and Takamagahara orbited black hole instead of a star, but I completely forgot about that and only saw parallels with HI3. so unfortunate that Izumo is gone, I would like to see it as one of the playable worlds

[@reign1576]

if kiana became herrscher of finality in HI3 Mei became basically the counterpart of that in HSR truly best couple that cant be separated

[@mikazukitunapanggang]

12 sentinel= 12 herrscher 1. The truth= herrscher of reason/truth (bronya) 2. The sky herrscher of void (sirin) 3. The howl herrscher of thunder (mei) 4. The mist= herrscher of wind(Wendy) 5. The frost = herrscher of ice(Ana)/ Yae sakura weapon (Reference to the sakura tree in the background) 6. The fate= herrscher of rebirth(seele) 7. The flare= herrcher of flame(Past Era himeko)/ current era himeko battle suit core(vermilion Knight:eclipse) 8. The thought= herrscher of sentience (Fu Hua/Senti) 9. The form= herrscher of domination(the puppet in HI3 animated short: everlasting flame) 10. The root= herrscher of earth("Owl"... The name is herrscher of earth Its power control gravity)/ divine key star of Eden(welt cane) 11. The bind= Herrscher of binding(past era humanity enemy) 12. The maw= herrscher of corruption (the computers eyeball that Elysia fight in HI3 animated short: because of you) 13. Origin = herrschers of origin (raiden mei final form) 14. End= herrschers of the end (past era and herrschers of finality (current era)

[@arnoldvito9415]

Thanks a lot for the explanation man. We need more channel like this. It will draw more player to experience the game without having to FOMO about the lore 👍

[@maugetar9340]

That is exactly what i was looking for - thank you!

[@stanconato5047]

That means Eons > herschers, specially IX that is one of the oldest and strongest eon

[@MagnusArchitectOfFate]

Great video, as always! Though in trailer there was a mention of humans on Izumo are eventually transform into Oni through their fight against Kami. That’s why Acheron lost her oni horns after accepting nothingness

[@Luis-325]

I came across a HoyoLab post that entertained the idea of Acheron being a Doctor of Chaos _(beings who walk the path of Nihility, but oppose it)_ . So she could be traveling the universe stopping people she meets from succumbing to Nihility _(also hinted at in her signature light cone)_ .

[@lucasduper2]

super thankfull you made this video !!! pls keep doing this honkai lore.. since i only play HSR

[@Valshir]

Very informative. Couldn't make heads or tales of the trailer by myself.

[@AnsonCarter-q1o]

This channels always such a breath of fresh air from all the drama baiting of most of the Hoyoverse related ones on youtube nowadays

[@Readund]

iirc, the SU lore says the appearance of IX is completely unexplained. What I mean to suggest is if the black hole that Izumo and Takamagahara orbited was the precursor of IX. Then it was the literal accumulation of despair within Izumo (perhaps also takamagahara) across many centuries that catalyzed the black hole’s transcendence into the Aeon IX. This kind of fills in the lore hole that is IX’s unexplained appearance, out of nowhere and no-when. It is written in the lore of the Izumo Gensei & Takamagahara planar set that the past and future of Izumo and Takamagahara is nihil, as though it never existed, which is probably what happened after the black hole transcended and Acheron became its Emanator simultaneously. I assume Acheron just willed the lethargic IX up in the sky to destroy absolutely everything that gave rise to their power, fulfilling their ideal of ‘nihility’. It’s a given how godly strong she is even with an imaginary (already broken) sword. Aeons grant mortals the right to access their powers, making them Emanators. IX doesn’t care about anything, so Acheron is basically walking talking IX in terms of power?

[@zayeedirfan7033]

This is actually very well detailed and put a lot of things into perspective. Good Job.

[@wearevenom81]

Always love these vids, I’m only familiar with star rail so when I see these vids that help expand on the other series it really helps and makes me appreciate it more

[@christianw935]

Very good video. I didn't understand a thing when the trailer first dropped

[@ringo6627]

Yep, that really is the Mei that lost everything, poor girl..... Great video, i just woke up so i'm going to watch the Myriad Celestia now. 👍 Also, someone pointed out that the order these things appeared is the same as HI3rd's previous era, not the current one. Just throwing this out there. Also, also, MY BOY KEVIN IS THE JP VA LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[@amirridzuannnnn]

Ahhh finally my question got answered by your video, again!

[@solemityprudent1869]

They did teased this in the first Myriad Celestia that introduce the Aeons and showing 2 planets slowly being pulled toward IX. On another note, Its interesting to see the idea of "Life = Memories" that pop up quite often in Honkaiverse appears again here with Acheron becoming Emanator when casting away her "Life" (Memories), leave but "Naught"(Nihility).

[@argonph6180]

The frost might be a reference to Sakura memento, since After showing the Frost sword (Which somehow looks like Sakura memento's weapon in HI3) showed a Sakura tree.

[@galangbs7766]

I see, that is very clear, was waiting for this explanation

[@BILISenjans]

Thank you for pointing out the only requisite information for understanding this trailer are in this and Rondo trailer description. Playing HI3 only helps you to empathize with Acheron more easily. Since her HI3 counterpart fought tooth and nail to reach the point where the main cast has the power of “origin” and “end”. Yet it was all for naught.

[@SeekGrace]

Damn bro thanks. Now everything makes sense. I wasn't able to connect IX to all of these events. So the planets were orbiting around the blackhole and the Yaoyorozu no Kami is from planet Takama, bringing destruction upon Izumo. I take that those "splintered 70000 blades" are the people who died fighting for Izumo. But everything was for "naught" because those two planets were doomed from beginning because of the blackhole. Then IX gets bored and eats both planets.

[@jsteve_15]

Gawd dam, thanks for this explanation I finally understood what happened in the trailer!!

[@leewh1907]

You earned a subscriber for this. Amazing work.

[@davidshadow1019]

Thank you so much for this video! I really neede this explanation to understand the lore in the video

[@Calithilhel]

I actually just looked into Self-Annihilators because of this! They were discussed in the context of Emanators, miHoYo posted about them in an article that was meant to educate us about the Emanators of different factions, and when talking about Self-Annihilators, it mentions that there are some who are able to resist their Self Annihilation and so cast the shadow of IX for infinity. As for how Self-Annihilators come into existence, when one incorporates the idea that "existence is nothing" into how they live their lives, they can draw the gaze of IX, and drawing their gaze is what turns one into a Self-Annihilator. I think it's really easy to conclude that Acheron drew IXs gaze because of her realization about the fate of Izumo, possibly even reforging her blade and drawing IXs gaze was the same action, and so Acheron became a Self-Annihilator, and one of the powerful ones that can undoubtedly be called Emanators, able to cast the long shadow of IX indefinitely. Casting a long shadow was something she did in the animation as well.

[@immanuelaj]

Living past the event horizon of a black hole is strange. The gravitational pull is so strong that it even pulls light. How did these people even evolve to have eyes? Maybe it's not a black hole but some other phenomena of Nihility....

[@Aizen2468]

Thanks so much for this video!

[@Hroovy]

After every trailer from hoyo... I will be waiting for this guy's video.. Good job as always catwithbluehat✌️

[@britishneko3906]

what happens when a Raiden is taken away their Tuna instead of becoming the Origin and living in harmony with the End she sees everything as something not worth to live

[@KimiruLVR]

.... IX has two "eyes". What if those "eyes" are actually what remains of Izumo and Takamagahara?

[@Kurogane3]

Nihility is actually really fitting for Honkai Impact considering the story. Especially the previous era where they knew in advance they would lose against the Herrscher of Finality but still choose to push through fighting every battle and then proceeded to lose the war. Honkai is a story about fighting nihility. The fight between "Ugly" (an in-game metaphor for negativity) and "Beauty" (positivity). It was also inspired by Neon Genesis Evangelion which was the founders' favorite anime. Also some other observation: Kami means God in japanese and Takamagahara is the realm in Shinto religion, where the gods reside. If you watch the anime Noragami, thats where they go in season 2. It is possible that the male voice was from Takamagahara and they really did have their own version of the Kami invasion. This would mirror the Previous Era - Current Era paralel in Honkai 3rd (except in this case the current era also failed).

[@Aegis1198]

HSR stories just getting better and better, with so many plot twist, mystery/plot holes, etc

[@Kamikaze2390]

"It was all for naught(nihility)" I need to see the writers getting a raise for this

[@edgecr]

i don't know if shes really a emanator, but shes surely a self annihilator and a very powerful one at that, destroying of self to become naught if it was to become a emanator i think is more from despair and to prevent her self from becoming a "oni" (type refereed by kevin when he said all will become like this) after all she still wanted that place to exist. IX did saw her when she self annihilate and maybe granted her a gift "when the sword is out my hazy memories become cleared again". nice video cheers

[@hotdogwaterjug]

thank you so much for this i was so lost