How The Compressor Current Starting Relay Works & Troubleshooting

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@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
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@josebracero4050
@josebracero4050 4 жыл бұрын
What could be the problem if there was a power surge and now the compressor starts but gets very hot and the protector breaks the connection. I noticed the compressor gets really hot. Since the compressor works and starts I was planning on changing the relay and the protector, but would like some advice on that.
@clarkkent2220
@clarkkent2220 8 ай бұрын
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@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 2 жыл бұрын
This has been a fun exercise to help understand how these little devices work. With no power, the current relay contacts are normally open. Like most motors, current draw from the motor is highest when the rotor is not spinning because the fixed rotor is unable to produce significant back EMF. The current relay windings are in series with the motor run windings. So, as soon as the relay sees big current, it lifts the relay plunger up to close the contacts, allowing the start capacitor and start windings to help overcome mechanical resistance and get the rotor up to speed. As the rotor spools up, the run windings begin to exert a back EMF because of the way the motor becomes a reverse electrical generator at high speeds. This back EMF reduces current through the windings, protecting the motor, improving motor efficiency, and reducing the (still forward) current through that little relay. Eventually, even though the motor is up to speed and a small current is still flowing, there isn't enough current to hold the relay contacts together and gravity pulls the plunger down, taking the start cap out of the equation. Elegantly simple.
@thomato981
@thomato981 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation is dope
@DM-jf3lg
@DM-jf3lg 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. I’ve been the business for 15 years and I’ve only worked one fractional compressor like that. I think it was on a water fountain. Keep up the work, your videos are really appreciated.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah most smaller compressors use the ptc thermistor but I wanted to make sure that this one was covered too, thanks!
@nass7070
@nass7070 5 жыл бұрын
Hi sir, i'm an electromecanician here in quebec Canada and i got a trouble on a enclosure unit on a electrical cabinet with vfd and a lot of contactors and this video make me understand 100% ...thank you for the knowledge!!! Tomorrow this compressor will start!!!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Nassim!
@raindropsrising7662
@raindropsrising7662 3 жыл бұрын
This is excellent explanation. Appreciate you making it so clear and concise. Appreciate your time putting this together.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@poolmotorrepairguyFL
@poolmotorrepairguyFL 3 жыл бұрын
The Florida pool pump motor bearing repair guy When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info
@YTsux24-7
@YTsux24-7 5 жыл бұрын
Coffee with Craig. What better way to start the day!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Ah Coffee, the lifeblood of the HVAC Tech! Thanks Tom!
@Pretzel114
@Pretzel114 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Craig!!!! Helps me understand them so much better. Can't wait for your other book! Thanks again!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Other books will take quite a while but I am presently working on a workbook to go along with the paperback we have out, thanks Nick-O
@Pretzel114
@Pretzel114 5 жыл бұрын
@@acservicetechchannel as long as the other book will be like this last one, it will be worth the wait. Take care.
@eellis258
@eellis258 Жыл бұрын
I'm a big follower... Thanks for the wisdom 🙌
@pashahassan720
@pashahassan720 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice & to the point video. Keep it up.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@michaeldower5619
@michaeldower5619 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very helpful and informative video.
@RhinocerosCake
@RhinocerosCake Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I love the book too!
@sorotboydchamlongsupalak9896
@sorotboydchamlongsupalak9896 7 ай бұрын
Does the relay only control the compressor? If the relay is faulty - will the compressor fan still work? Thank you for the great video and insight
@jaym48
@jaym48 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Start Relay you show at the 7:20 mark (it has three prongs where only two wires are connected) and it reads 5.5 ohms and does not rattle. I have the Overload you show at the 8:06 mark and it reads 0.6 ohms. In short, everything works on my GE GBS22KBSBCC refrigerator except the fridge will not go below 40F and the freezer will not go below 33F. So, what would not allow strong cooling .....if the start relay was bad or the capacitor? Defroster, thermistors, evaporator fan, condenser fan are all working and the coils are spotless. I even checked the three prongs on the condenser and got a 8.4 ohm on the two main prongs, 4.5 ohms on the left and 4.2 ohms on the right. My Embraco 1PH condenser has a label on the side reading "LRA of 11.5 EGU 70HLC' 115 - 127 V". My multimeter read 0.8 amps when it is running. The Capacitor multimeter read 11.85 uF (210 VAC 50/60 Hz @ 12 uF). Some history - In July 2016 I did had a technician add R 134a and in October 2018 I had to add an evaporator thermistor since my evaporator coils were an iceberg and it was not triggering the defrost mode; refrigerator was warm but freezer worked fine. NOTE: I made a video of the Start Relay arcing with the Overload when the compressor was called for power; there was just a click sound but no compressor. Then, 90 seconds later, it called on it again and the compressor hummed away. When I took it apart again the Star Relay gave the same reading but I noted it was VERY hot. Could this Relay still be bad but not activating all the time thus overheating because it is sometimes working? If so, maybe this is why the temperatures cannot catch up. With that said, I do not know the spec for my compressor amps but had some hand written notes from the 2006 technician (when he filled my R143a) stating the original amps were 0.7 and after he added 4.5# the amps were 1.55. His notes also read "spec = 1.5 to 1.7 amps). Should I purchase a new Relay and, if so, is it "good practice" to purchase a new Overload, also? They are very pricy at $76 and $80, respectively......for a piece of plastic! ANY direction would be greatly appreciated by you.
@farmuhqas
@farmuhqas 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video. I have a question. In the uk you have live, neutral and ground which one of these wires do I connect to the common pin?. Thanks
@elsrog
@elsrog 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video very easy to understand. I checked my relay and found it was not working some WD SPRAY and hopefully it will work till a replacement arrives.
@EnjoyCalculus
@EnjoyCalculus 3 жыл бұрын
is a compressor protector used with PTC thermistor as well or just the current starting relay?
@fox8950
@fox8950 4 жыл бұрын
Do some compressors not use a capacitor? I have this old Eaton Viking dehumidifier from likely the 70's and there's no capacitor to be found on it. Relay is acting up and with a 3 n1 universal relay someone said to remove the old capacitor when installing it,but I can't find a capacitor on it.The big cover is off but I don't see one.
@BartSimpson-nr1dy
@BartSimpson-nr1dy 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent excellent video
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@obaidulhaqe6230
@obaidulhaqe6230 3 жыл бұрын
very nice useful explanation.
@kennyw7453
@kennyw7453 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kenny!
@tuffgost
@tuffgost 5 жыл бұрын
For helpful video like always. I have a compressor that continues to run even after the refrigerator (Delfield reach-in) has reached temp. T-stat is new and set to lowest cooling setting but fridge was at 20 degrees this morning. Could this be a bad relay that's stuck closed?
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
No, it is likely the thermostat in wired on the NC terminal instead of the no terminal. This current starting relay is just for starting, thanks!
@jimbola77
@jimbola77 5 жыл бұрын
thank you, partner, for sharing!!!!! Excellent video's.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to help, thanks!
@johnson4940
@johnson4940 3 жыл бұрын
You teach L1 (hot) connect to run terminal. Why some videos teach connect L1 ( hot) to overload then to common terminal ? I am a little confusing!
@mojetrouba
@mojetrouba 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much. This was really helpful.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to help Dadla!
@Notown-lj5nq
@Notown-lj5nq 3 ай бұрын
When I do the upright and and upside-down test, mybreadings are never steady even when i test new relay. I make sure i raddle the relay before testing but sometimes it reads OL on both attemps, then if im lucky i get a reading of 2.5. That's with a bad and new one.
@henmich
@henmich 2 ай бұрын
I'm trying to start a 3 phase motor that is not a compressor and will not be under a big load at start. Would this still be needed? I'm trying to use a VFD and it describes this component in an example circuit.
@jonjordan6606
@jonjordan6606 4 жыл бұрын
i have a relay that has start and run but two screws labeled 1 & 2 what are they ?
@samisrour3129
@samisrour3129 3 жыл бұрын
Great video ,, many thx
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@procharger94
@procharger94 5 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Procharger94!
@procharger94
@procharger94 5 жыл бұрын
@@acservicetechchannel Your videos have helped out a lot. Very clear and to the point.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@NorCal-refrigeration
@NorCal-refrigeration 5 жыл бұрын
So many compressors get condemned when it’s just a bad relay. Great video👍👍
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, thanks a lot Nor-cal!!!
@libtrs838
@libtrs838 Жыл бұрын
What happens when the start relay gets stuck closed? Does the compressor not work or does it damage the compressor?
@1weirddoe571
@1weirddoe571 Жыл бұрын
I hear the relay contacts click when the compressor starts, but I don't hear the iron core plunger drop back out with gravity. Is it a slow, gradual process of falling back out or is it fast? How many seconds does it take for the compressor to start up--almost immediately the relay then drops out? Can you hear it drop?
@samuelvalenzuela4541
@samuelvalenzuela4541 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Sr, do you have a video explaining why the A/C compressors doesn't use a potential relay and the start capacitor, and why the refrigeration compressors use it, can you explain please
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Refrigeration compressors work even when it is colder outside and need help starting. Some txv's on refrigeration units don't allow for pressure equalization. Most heat pumps have a potential relay or some other starting device. Only some ac units come equipped with a potential relay but they turn on and run when it is warmer out. I don't have a specific video on that, thanks!
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 3 жыл бұрын
If the start and run was connected all the time what would happen at 4:26 in video?
@davidtomato6346
@davidtomato6346 2 жыл бұрын
Is the start relay for refrigeration all time? For the AC system, the start relay is not always necessary?
@Smith-qt4us
@Smith-qt4us 5 жыл бұрын
When's the paperback version coming and is it good for someone with really no HVAC knowledge at all? I'm an install helper but not really learning so I am going to school in August but want a book I can read outside of work until I go to school to soak up as much info as possible.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Yes the book will be highly beneficial and it progresses as you read it. Check out the full outline at acservicetech.com/the-book The paperback will be out in a couple weeks. If you have an ipad or computer the ebook is available now, thanks! As you come across questions about the trade, feel free to ask them in these comment sections, thanks!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Smith66, good news! As of today, the paperback is now available at www.acservicetech.com !!!
@chefswole
@chefswole 4 жыл бұрын
can the relay get fried? mine is clearly burnt and i purchased a new one, i hope it fixes the problem!
@mfertig
@mfertig 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@acrepairnearme
@acrepairnearme 5 жыл бұрын
Great! Very interesting! Where this compressors are used? I met one looks the same in condensing unit for small walk in cooler wine room. R134a. Thank you.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
They are on small refrigerators and freezers sometimes. The ptc thermistors however are more common on those smaller reciprocating compressors. I just wanted to make sure that I went over them, thanks
@bobrub
@bobrub 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Craig, Do you plan on putting this out in a real book we can keep in the van for reference? A Spiral bound 8 1/2 X 11 book would be great in my opinion.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely I do. The print shop is working on them as we speak. I don't have a date to share yet for when I will have the bulk order of paperbacks in but they will be spiral bound with slightly glossy pages. I will send out an update when they are ready. Make sure that you are on the updates list at acservicetech.com and thanks a lot bobrub!
@tomyang1944
@tomyang1944 4 жыл бұрын
hey got a question for replacement current starting relay. I have an old sub zero fridge which the freezer is no longer cooling (refrigeration is still fine). The old relay (PB24 3ARR12) I pulled out was measure about 120 ohms which i guess is too high. My question is will any 3arr12 relay do the trick? Thanks
@Shutyourjibbs
@Shutyourjibbs Жыл бұрын
When my thermostat in my refrigerator shuts off the compressor I hear two clicks, which have gotten louder over time. Is it possibly the start relay getting ready to fail?
@eellis258
@eellis258 Жыл бұрын
I Just wanna clarify that L1 power goes to Main or Run winding. Not to start winding
@janakachaminda5634
@janakachaminda5634 5 жыл бұрын
Can you see the how to check compressur pumpeing
@pointblank6467
@pointblank6467 5 жыл бұрын
thank you kind sir.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to help!
@ShahzadAhmad-wf8jv
@ShahzadAhmad-wf8jv 5 жыл бұрын
How to identify the comprises sizes without sticker
@cjaloisio8576
@cjaloisio8576 3 жыл бұрын
Ask u a question, what opens the switch internally in the system start relay? The capacitor, the temperature, the resistor or it never opens. I was thinking the resistor
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 жыл бұрын
It is normally in the open position. The current generated induces power to the coil turning it into a magnet pulling up the iron core and contacts. Then after the motor current reduces, the amount of power induced into the electrical coil lowers and the iron core falls disconnecting the contacts.
@bigez4024
@bigez4024 5 жыл бұрын
Where do the compressor terminals connect on the current relay?
@r2techtamil
@r2techtamil 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video..
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sampath!
@ohmware2020
@ohmware2020 2 жыл бұрын
hi, how may i know the hp of my relay, its marking is 8064 mm5-36s
@brothertech1817
@brothertech1817 5 жыл бұрын
Can you share the link for the book? Thanks in advance!
@acestu
@acestu 5 жыл бұрын
www.acservicetech.com/
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stuart! Yes Brother Tech, sample pages are on the website and can be purchased there, thanks! www.acservicetech.com/the-book
@brothertech1817
@brothertech1817 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks y'all!
@brothertech1817
@brothertech1817 5 жыл бұрын
I bought the puller on Amazon really needed.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds Good, thanks Brother Tech!
@TerryRGraham
@TerryRGraham Жыл бұрын
What happens if the relay gets stuck and keeps the start capacitor in the circuit while running?
@DWAYNE2ism
@DWAYNE2ism 5 жыл бұрын
Good good
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dwayne!
@charleswashington7576
@charleswashington7576 2 жыл бұрын
That helps
@yehuditshor8679
@yehuditshor8679 3 жыл бұрын
I think that in small instruments like food processor you don't need the relay at all. The relay is all the time in on position. Those instruments don't have a start capacitor at all only run capacitor to generate the "second' phase to run the motor. It is only a source of potential trouble and you can live without it.
@SantoshPandey-ip5gi
@SantoshPandey-ip5gi 5 жыл бұрын
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@sevasvideo2952
@sevasvideo2952 3 жыл бұрын
надо было изучать английский
@Sctronic209
@Sctronic209 5 жыл бұрын
First
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, thanks Hvac!
@jollyscaria1922
@jollyscaria1922 10 ай бұрын
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@SantoshPandey-ip5gi
@SantoshPandey-ip5gi 5 жыл бұрын
Sir plz tell hindi..
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, can you do subtitles?
@colloidalsilver1096
@colloidalsilver1096 6 ай бұрын
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@williamcallahan5819
@williamcallahan5819 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
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