3 Gigs of RAM vs 64 (OpenCore Legacy!)

[@HowsiryDo-cy1vh]

Can't speak highly enough about OpenCore! That software combined with an SSD+RAM upgrade breathed new life into a family members old 2010 macbook7,1. It runs so well they held off buying a new machine entirely.

[@braddl9442]

Now you know why Apple stopped support of them. Because of this reality that their old stuff could run and do most stuff people want you dont have to buy a new annual 2000 dollar computer form them.

[@bland9876]

Friend's mom's computer definitely needs that kind of upgrade because the horror is it's running a 5200 HDD and 4 gigs DDR3. Yes Windows 10 chugs. Like holy crap it's not even a 7200 HDD. Also this is how I found out that there's two types of RAM so even though I had DDR 3 I couldn't upgrade it to 8 gigs :(

[@TurdInternational]

@@braddl9442 Same reason MS wont let you put W11 on anything made more then ~7 years ago. Most mid-rate Intel Mac/PC made after 2008 will work fine for a good portion of the market

[@chriswatt2702]

You hit the nail on the head there. The biggest delays in this video were tied to the disk access speeds.

[@willm5032]

It's amazing and so easy to do with some tutorial following. I ran Catalina, then big Sur on my 2008 Mac pro 3,1 until I finally bought my mac mini this summer. Amazing software and the fact it's completely free is mind-blowing

[@letsseewherethisgoes]

Currently running Sonoma on both a 2012 iMac (i5, 8GB, and a 640m) and a 2015 base Air, both running surprisingly well with OCLP. Great piece of software.

[@Stanwis]

I tried ventura on 2013 macbook air 4gb, and unfortunately its slower the big sur

[@KaitenKenbu]

Super dope for sure, I am amazed at all the models it works for and how much effort they put into getting non metal GPUs to work.

[@nickk19]

@@Stanwisyeah I think the main problem are the 4 gigs of ram. I think it’d be way better with 8gigs of ram, and maybe a more recent (and faster) nvme ssd

[@cosanostra101]

​@@StanwisI have performed dozens of install on older mac so far. What I noticed is if you give it enough time to index everything on spotlight and turn off animations it get much better

[@Stanwis]

@@cosanostra101 yes i actually read it after posting that some guys used even on 4 gigs and its not bad after indexing.

[@tompov227]

If anything, this shows you what a revolution the Intel switch must have been in 2006. Everybody knows what a G4 or G5 computer can do today and when you compare that to what a core 2 duo could do, it’s actually very impressive. No wonder Apple did that.

[@drewzero1]

I was using a Core 2 Duo in my main machine at home until about two years ago. They were like lightning compared to the G4s they replaced! Still have two machines in daily use that have C2Ds but they slow down a lot when trying to run VMs.

[@kFY514]

To be fair, part of why the PowerPC machines are so unusable is because of the lack of software support. You can patch an Intel build of Sonoma with missing drivers and a hacked UEFI layer, but you can't rebuild the OS for an architecture it was never meant to support. You can run Linux on a PowerPC Mac though, and the latest models are actually somewhat usable that way, if a bit glitchy - and the glitchiness, once again, stems from the fact that not many people maintain Linux for PowerPC even though it's technically still supported.

[@shemlesh]

Apple primarily switched because using an architecture that is primarily aimed at workstations led unsurprisingly to power dissipation issues when being stuffed into a laptop, so they had to severely underclock/use cost reduced PowerPC chips. Intel was dominate in the same market but had the exact same issues with the mobile Pentium 4s, they realized that the microarchitectural design of Netburst was braindead, and needed a return to the P6 and Core was born, there was little advantage for the same to happen with PowerPC (due to bulk of the market not being in the same market segment and apples software model meant that backwards compatibility was not much of an issue that couldn't be addressed as they had with the switch from 6502 -> m68k -> PPC) but PPC found use in consoles and high performance computing. (where power consumption and compatibility with the existing software library doesn't matter.) PowerPC to this day outperforms/classes Intel, but it is so locked into its niche that it is unlikely to escape, as consoles are basically now just cost reduced PCs.

[@tompov227]

@@shemlesh That's pretty much what happened in 2020. Like if you wanna spend 500W on your computer you can get a 13900K to beat the M1 Ultra but the M1 Ultra is bonkers in performance for how little power it uses

[@eMorphized]

@@kFY514 Since IBM switched over to Z for their customer-facing servers, POWER ISA hasn't really had a use case

[@willm5032]

Apple: your 2017 apple computer is now obsolete. The entire retro Mac community: the fuck it is

[@samueljakah8706]

Try 2016😂😂😂

[@ItsMeSFSPlayerAndRoblox]

Apple will f*ck macs at a specific software

[@DistrosProjects]

Tip for making sure that the computer always boots from the correct drive: Hold down Control as you click on the arrow in the Option menu to set that device as the default (the arrow will turn into a reverse arrow). Not enough people know about this.

[@something2sea]

That's a fantastic hint. Useful in many scenarios!

[@DengueBurger]

Needs to be pinned

[@meandmyEV]

During the covid lockdown I upgraded a bunch of old Macs using open core for kids at my wife’s school to use for zoom classes etc. I had a lot of success with the white non pro MacBooks from the 2008-2010 era because it was so easy to upgrade the hardware and they were dirt cheap.

[@DengueBurger]

Great way to avoid ewaste. Somebody should do this at scale.

[@guaiqueritech]

Coming from a third world nation, the implications from this solution are so underrated. The digital divide would be made narrower if access to older, yet still capable, gear could be possible for really low budgets

[@jbilmendoza]

Technically that MacBook Pro can run carbonized apps for Mac OS 9 power PC running under Rosetta with snow leopard, Windows XP natively, and MacOS Sonoma with apps that can run with M2 Ultra

[@federicogori9888]

True LoL

[@orestes1984]

This is one of the reasons I kept my 2012 unibody long after it was unusefully slow. It could run Rosetta apps for anything made before 10.6 Snow Leopard was a thing. It's probably the best point in time especially if you can get your hands on a 15inch or 17inch MacBook Pro with a dedicated GPU that's still working if you have the need to run legacy apps. The 17inch model still holds an unusually high regard which may affect its resale value though so don''t overpay.

[@dstinnettmusic]

The OCLP team are truly amazing. A great public service to keep this hardware alive. Like something this old, maybe we can agree it should be retired. But my 2015 MacBook Pro? That has plenty of power to do a lot of different things but Apple retired it years ago. OCLP has the potential to keep millions of old Macs out of landfills.

[@DisketteDreams]

I’m really happy to see more content that celebrates older hardware. Many channels compare PCs and Macs and make out like a 1 second difference in a benchmark is a deal-breaker. Here we’re celebrating that most everyday things can run at a reasonable speed on such an old machine.

[@MacintoshLibrarian]

yayyy! a cameo by me at @10:33 !

[@TechKingdom35]

Nice, OpenCore is such a gift to people with older macs (or even PCs). Using it I got Sonoma even running on a GPD Pocket (7inch Mini Laptop). I also use it on a 2011 MacBook Pro.

[@Underestimated37]

Ooh I have one of those pockets, how good is the performance? Is it usable?

[@TechKingdom35]

@@Underestimated37 It only works on the Pocket 2 and newer. The performance is actually really usable. Better than the 2011 MacBook Pro in my opinion. I made a video on it where I have benchmark results for it if you are more interested

[@Underestimated37]

@@TechKingdom35 damn mine is the original, so that’s out then (not shocking because it’s pretty basic) was thinking it’d make a good backup for travel

[@TechKingdom35]

@@Underestimated37 Sadly the intel Atom CPU in the first generation is not supported by macos. Very old version could be patched (Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion). But that support is long gone and was only for 32 bit atoms afaik. But linux mint runs very well on the pocket 1. I have mine dualbooting mint and windows 10

[@Underestimated37]

@@TechKingdom35 yeah mint is probably my next go to when I decide to mess with it again

[@ImLeeLoi]

I think what's really interesting to me is my first MacBook was a 17" Pro 4,1 with 2GB of ram (but a slightly faster 2.5GHz processor) and when KZbin first released 1080P video in late 2009 (Like the TRON 2 Trailer right??) It also had the same 1080P KZbin slow downs... So the fact it can play 1080P on Sonoma is REALLY impressive. Late 2009 was like Snow Leopard days.

[@beefglobb]

It's funny watching a company like Apple brag about being sustainable while having so many devices that are essentially ewaste until the open source community steps in to fix it.

[@floridaman0219]

Buy more! Buy new! Recycling makes us green! Look at our cool recycling robots! Of course we all know reducing and reusing are greener, but which one of the three R's is in their interest?

[@xluumu]

Not exactly. They keep supporting the older operating systems for years after the Mac is not supported by the newest system anymore, they don’t just drop support.

[@illsheet]

​@@xluumuI have a 2008 Mac Pro tower with dual quad-core 3.2 GHz Xeons, 24 GB of RAM, GeForce GTX 680 and this thing can't be officially updated past El Capitan. They could've supported it a bit longer I guess.

[@guaiqueritech]

@@floridaman0219the unspoken R: Repeat customer 😂

[@guaiqueritech]

@BobLadif-ny8niold does not mean “incompatible”. Say what you will about windows, but I can install Windows 10 in laptops from the end of the XP era. A 2010 Polycarbonate MBP can get up to 16Gb of RAM: tell me Apple, one of the most profitable companies in the world, cannot afford a small team of people to develop a “thinned down” MacOS version (like ZORIN OS does with their Lite version, for example), providing the base usability and features of their ecosystem to literally save tens of thousands of otherwise unsupported gear

[@makegamemusic]

I’ve done my professional composing work using the latest version of the operating system for several years using OLP and my 2013 iMac still flies! If you use the software, consider donating to the project as it benefits us all being able to install the latest OS on old macs.

[@eggnorman]

I've got a 2015 13" running the latest OS and it's awesome. At least until the Intel days die for good, I expect this to be not only a viable option but the preferred option, given that newer Intel Macs are still quite expensive despite their low support expectancy.

[@GreenDavidA]

OpenCore is awesome. I'm watching this and typing this comment on a late 2013 iMac running Sonoma thanks to them. I almost wish they would take donations because I feel bad that they work so hard to keep this old hardware going.

[@jonathanlara1297]

Saaameee, i'm watching this video and typing this comment on a mid 2010 iMac 21.5 running Monterey. Is actually impressive what this old machines are capable of.

[@orestes1984]

It's an open project with a licensing structure designed to stay just enough in a grey area that they don't get sued by Apple and lose. They legally could not charge for what they do. I run Ventura at the moment but given how well it's running I may well upgrade to Sonoma. i have the same Mac, for a Core i5 3.4ghz with the 2GB 775M Kepler GPU it runs well. Heck, I tend to think the legacy metal drivers run a little better, I was able to push an extra 20-40fps out of Minecraft while using legacy Metal drivers maxing out at about 100fps and keeping above 30fps for the most part with a few freezes here and there. For what most people would do with it such as editing your iMac would run well, especially if you were to swap in an NVME drive which I've thought about but can't bring myself to doing due to the difficulty of getting inside these computers. I mean if I didn't install Ventura the next step was just to use it as a monitor in target display mode for my M1 Mac, but I felt I could still do more.

[@kbhasi]

I'm just here realising that running macOS 14 on a MacBook Pro from 2008 (originally came with 10.5) looks to me like like running Windows 11 on a PC laptop that originally came with Windows Vista (edit: like when DIY Dr K did just that with an IBM ThinkPad X60). As such, I'm amazed.

[@resneptacle]

Honestly, Windows 11 on a Core 2 era notebook seems far less weird than a modern MacOS on the same class of machine!

[@guaiqueritech]

I’ve said this a couple of times: windows may be inefficient at times, but you can run Windows 10, a still supported and stable OS, in laptops from the XP era (managing expectations, of course), natively, without resorting to gimmicks. That’s sustainability in my book

[@MrDeelightful]

This is the kind of stuff I love to see. Anything from the last 10 years can still do basic productivity tasks, and running the latest OS is always best practice. It's nice to see new life breathed into old machines like this.

[@anonymeister123]

My 2017 MacBook Pro still pretty much feels brand new, and is no longer supported. I'll definitely be giving this a try!

[@BaggerPRO]

On the one hand, it is safer to use the latest software, since it contains fixes for old vulnerabilities. But on the other hand, I don't know how many additional vulnerabilities this Patcher creates.

[@outtakontroll3334]

not always the best practice, it can break a lot of your workflow. if it works, stick with it and save your cash

[@markdyckinbc]

I am so glad you posted this video, this is amazing! I just upgraded an old iMac 12,1 that has been stuck @ High Sierra today because of you. I have made me look like a rock star in the eyes of my boss because it has put life back into these machine that we thought we were forced to replace. Love the shenanigans!

[@monkeyman767]

Ive an old 17" non-unibody MBP at home, core 2 duo, really tempted to give this a shot! Edit: Wow, im actually amazed how good the older MBP held up! Goes to show optimisation really is essential

[@dmug]

Glad to see bigger channels singing the praises of OCLP.

[@ananon5771]

looks awesome, amazing work from them, sounds like a fun project to do, and for somewhat newer macs, it may really be worth it.

[@samdavidh]

I can see this being a use case for mom's or grandpa's old basement iMac with a pair of old apple usb speakers plugged in. It's not for intensive use but it'd work well for basic stuff!

[@lyyre_mzr]

Opencore is so nice for keeping old Macintoshes compatible with the current ecosystem. Ventura Opencore worked great for the last year and hopefully Sonoma will as well.

[@ericfore]

It'd be great to see this same test with your 2008 MBP upgraded to an SSD and 6gb RAM (the max for that model) Running OCLP Sonoma on my 2008 Mac Pro and it operates flawlessly!

[@drewzero1]

I misread that as OLPC and wondered if it added a hand crank for off-grid charging 😂

[@MichaelAStanhope]

You are insane, but its so cool to see how good Sonoma runs on it. I used to run Mojave on a Macbook (2008) and it did suprisingly well, kinda wish I still had it.

[@dingdong2103]

I'm waiting for the next edition of MacOS Gomorra.

[@therealloganyt237]

Member

[@glossymouse7712]

I've got Mojave on a 2008 iMac, it runs horrible. Opening Opera takes about 2 minutes. Heats up to 80° in the process. It needs fan controller software (fans cranked to max) to run cool and after a few months one of the fans sounds worn. Stopped actively using it once Big Sur came out and support for Mojave went away. At that time Dosdude1's patches were very rudimentary and full of graphical glitches. I might upgrade now that the patchers have been perfected.

[@dingdong2103]

@@glossymouse7712 There is something wrong wity your imac then, my 2007 imac runs Big Sur just fnie and everything runs smooth. Only loading times are abysmal since the SSD runs off the USB2.

[@glossymouse7712]

@@dingdong2103 It runs as if it has an SSD and barely heats up above room temperature on OS X 10.9. and older. Something about the newer operating systems is messing it up. The speed of the HDD is roughly comparable to that of your SSD over USB. The OS is otherwise completely fine. If it was USB 3.0 I'd definitely get a USB drive, but as it is the only way to get more speed is to replace the HDD or ODD. Main problem is just the heat. Have you tried Mac fan control or some other software to monitor the heat? No way does yours not heat up. Maybe not to 80°, but 60 or so would be reasonable

[@BradenKennelly]

Wow, every time you tried a new test I thought it work not work or be really slow. But it ran everything amazingly quick for a machine from mid 2000s. Looks like I gotta buy another old Mac to try this myself

[@CherryTv_CUP]

Those old machines are actually really smooth computers so much so that for a whole year at my college i used a 2007 one of the none unibodys in 2022 to do everyday tasks and used the laptop as my main one despite having much newer machines. It just felt so much nice to use than any of my other macs especially my mid 2010 one with a failing GPU that was until the battery expanded overnight and now it awaits future battery replacement for life to be breathed back into the old beast. (For Ref i did use an SSD in it, that helped a lot)

[@jeromethiel4323]

I watch this show just for the shenanigans. I am not a mac fan, and never will be, but i do enjoy people pushing old hardware to new levels. Keep on trucking. ^-^

[@miguelmontoya1320]

I was just able to upgrade my mid 2009 Macbook Pro to Monterey thanks to OCLP. It's like having a new computer and I'm surprised at how well it runs. Great video!

[@TomFlach]

Thanks for sharing!! About 11 years ago I shoehorned a 2009 Macbook mobo from eBay into my black 2006 Macbook to breath new life into it. I really thought it had seen it's last OS update... Can't wait to try this

[@andresbravo2003]

OpenCore should be needed on my iMac…

[@TaijanDean]

Wow! What a great way to bring new life to these otherwise obsolete machines. Can't wait to see you put sinoma on the Cirsed Mac 😂

[@jamesburke2759]

For a backup machine this is great. I like that you and Austin Evans are always proving that 10+ year old tech isnt useless like some idiots think.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

I used Open Core to install Ventura on my 2009 MacBook Air. Haven't gotten around to upgrading to Sonoma on it yet, but it runs Ventura just fine! And it only has a 1.86 GHz Core 2 Duo and only _2_ GB of RAM. Now I just need to replace the battery, as it only holds about 15 minutes charge. Mine does have the original Apple SSD, though.

[@caggius42]

I have been running Opencore for a year now and have just upgraded both of our 2011 MacBook Pros (upgraded to SSDs) from Monterey to Ventura and they run really well. I would support Opencore’s recommendation to run the previous stable release until both Apple and Opencore have ironed out all of the bugs in the latest release.

[@SenileOtaku]

I had tried out OpenCore on my 2010 MacBook Pro (already running Catalina). The machine had already been bumped up to an unofficial 16G memory (with the memory upgrade from OWC), and I put Monterey on it. Ran perfectly fine, but I wasn't really thrilled with how it looked/worked. Not that I really do much with the machine anyway (it's mainly to give me the ability to run something on MacOS if I needed to), so I restored it back to Catalina. Maybe I'll re-try it with Ventura or Sonoma some day, and if it seems reasonable maybe I'll bump my daughter's MBP 2012 up from Catalina (it also has the OWC 16G upgrade).

[@garrettjones8448]

This makes me incredibly happy to see. Would love to see how well this works on some twenty tens unibody MacBook Pros with some more intensive testing

[@foxglenacres]

this is just great! i upgrade my macbook pro 15" retina mid-2012 and got ventura working flawlessly!

[@aaronring4704]

I just finished fully upgrading the RAM and installing a 1TB SSD in my 2009 27" iMac for just this purpose! (Actually for Ventura; I just want to be able to run current versions of productivity software.) Can't wait to get started!

[@coooguy1]

Ya been running opencore on my 2012 Mac mini for a while and have been blown away. I am buying a trash can Mac Pro and can’t wait to see how good it runs Sonoma.

[@largegrape]

I think this speaks to how bloat-less macOS is. I just got a mac after being a windows guy for my whole life, and its quite beautiful.

[@attilavs2]

You aren't going to belive it when you try Linux

[@princetexasloaf2632]

@@attilavs2 exactly

[@tropicaljupiter]

I've found that Linux is not perceptibly faster on comparable hardware in any way unless you are specifically talking about cold boot times into headless distros. That would not make a good case for choosing Linux over macOS. Apple's system lockdown and anti-repair practices are the reason to go Linux.

[@attilavs2]

⁠@@tropicaljupiter False, if you are using Arch btw it's definitely faster. And anyways the hardware you are on is probably too fast to see a difference in most cases.

[@OsX86H3AvY]

I prefer my HP EliteDesk 800 G5 Mini for Sonoma (works absolutely perfectly!) and my Dell 7310 (only on Monterey though, not sure about the WiFi/BT on Sonoma so will have to see) but either way your videos are great, keep it up!!! BTW you should try EdUBudgie Linux on one of your old laptops!!! :)

[@stossy11]

I’m running Monterey on a 2008 Unibody MacBook Pro I’ve been using OpenCore LP since ver 0.2.1

[@sonicunleashedfan124]

Currently running Sonoma on a 2011 Mac Mini server (quad core i7, 16GB, and the Intel built-in graphics), and it runs really well for only (natively) supporting Macs from 2017 onwards, wish Apple supported Macs from that far back natively

[@doq]

I had to replay 11:39 several times just because those two clocks were just about perfectly in sync and that was too satisfying.

[@zaremol2779]

They're both connected to an NTP server, nothing impressive about it

[@doq]

Even with NTP it's still quite difficult to get two clocks *that* in sync without something like an atomic sync.

[@jimcabezola3051]

I ran OpenCore Legacy macOS Monterey on my 2011 Mac Mini for 8 months. It worked very nicely. Now running Debian 12 on the 2011 Mac MIni. The Linux OS seems slightly smoother and a bit snappier than running Monterey, but Linux Mint has been running nicely. Also, I'm using Asahi Linux running on my M1 Mac Mini. I can ony get sound through Bluetooth, though...

[@WackyT08]

I run OCLP on my mid-2012 MacBook Pro, and am installing Sonoma on it this morning. It is a great free program for the Mac community! 👍

[@JosephM101]

That 2007 MacBook Pro, I can tell immediately, has a GPU that does not support Metal. You cannot run Metal apps, but things like blur are (kinda) fixed thanks to the SkyLight project. Say, for a few graphical glitches here and there. OC is actually forcing macOS to use OpenGL, a graphics framework which became fully deprecated with Catalina in favor of the new Metal API. If you look into how OCLP does this, it's actually really cool!

[@warrenmcclure7819]

Its so cool to see this, Ive used Opencore on my 2017 5k iMac and its worked so well.

[@evanmair]

1. Do not bother using on a computer without a SSD boot drive - mechanical drives can't keep up. And max out the RAM if you can! 2. You won't be able to boot the USB to install the patched Sonoma unless you have already installed the OpenCore EFI on the target machine ('Build and Install OpenCore' option in the patcher app). 3. If your install (or macOS patch update) hangs 1/3 through the final boot, restart in safe mode by holding down SHIFT (You might get the error reporter - if so, reboot into safe mode a second time). That will get you to the desktop and then you can re-install the OpenCore patches. 4. In Settings->Accessibility->Display turn on 'Reduce Motion' and 'Reduce transparency' for machines with integrated Intel HD Graphics. 5. Install 'iStat Menus' to better control the fans based on CPU temp.

[@BruisersBeaters]

Back many hours later, can confirm works perfectly. If you actually are insane enough to do this with a MacBook Pro 4,1, you'll want to get a fan app and just run the internal fans at full blast constantly as these don't cool well, and will thermal throttle and excessive heat could ruin the 8600 GT, so keep it COOL

[@CharlesBluTheXPicturesInc]

Apple Kicked The Pre-2010 Macs (Especially All Macs With DDR2 RAM) Out Of Its Support By The Release Day Of Very First macOS Ver Called: Sierra

[@auteurfiddler8706]

When the internal sound stopped working, did that include the headphone sound jack? I wonder what other computers sound won't work under Sonoma Open core documentation. I have an early 20 inch Intel IMac and I have been stuck on a really old OS and I want to use it for web and KZbin.

[@MyAmazingUsername]

Oh wow thanks for highlighting this. I was only aware of random MacDude1 patcher or whatever it's called. OpenCore sounds perfect for bringing life to my 2010 MacBook Pro.

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

It is AMAZING what older machines can do if we would put the work into it like this. LOVE that this is available. I mean for a dual-core 3GB RAM system... that's AMAZINGLY acceptable speed. That's impressive.

[@SMNFXCN]

I wished I had an old MacBook to test this out with. Looks like a fun project and i love seeing newer/modern stuff run on such old looking devices

[@SMNFXCN]

Or even just a compatible laptop in general to hackintosh

[@WyvernDotRed]

13:40 This might have even worked (at a low quality) if you disabled hardware acceleration in Steam's Steam Link settings. Which solves many weird compatibility issues with the client, especially on weird hardware.

[@mediocrefunkybeat]

I’ve been using OCLP on my 2013 13-inch Retina for the last 3 months or so and it’s been brilliant. Great bit of software.

[@lohikarhu734]

It's nothing short of wonderful that the folks behind this are helping us to run current software on machines that arem supposedly, "out of date", but have 2.3 GHz multi-core CPUs...11 year old Mini still stone reliable (although it seems to need a re-boot more often, with an SSD than it did with the original "spinner") Funny thing, i'm not so wild about the newest OS, but need to update to keep running other software!

[@marcallemandet3137]

Great vid, I use myself the same first gen Macbook Pro with Linux mint mate and a Monterey theme for linux, and most of the people are amazed by the reactivity. With only a 250 gig SSD, KZbin is smooth at 720 P and enough for watching tutorials and clips. Of course It is not Mac OS but it is its little brother with OnlyOffice or Libreoffice, this will do the job without any issue. Thx I love your channel. Keep on the good job.

[@lhsatch]

I used open core on a 17 inch 2011 Mac book pro. I installed a ssd and it already had 8gb ram. Updated to Mac OS 13 Only problem is that the cpu gets hot and the fans kick in for simple tasks like searching in chrome.

[@MrMegaManFan]

Is there a good wiki or guide for "unsupported by Apple" Macs? I have an old iMac from 2011 that I'd like to push forward. Maybe not as far as Sonoma, but further than it is right now.

[@litemint09]

make it a ssd and add some ram

[@MrMegaManFan]

@@litemint09You’re assuming I know how to open it up to add RAM? And that doesn’t help me updating the OS. That’s why I asked for a wiki or guide.

[@KaitenKenbu]

Watching this as I install Sonoma on my mum's 2017 iMac via opencore. Great channel. I also have a 4,1 that seems like it needs the sonoma treatment before i end up putting XP for gaming or Linux mint on it like my other ancient but perfectly serviceable MBPs. Then it's time to see how hard Sonoma is to put on my 09 Mac Pro flashed to a 5,1.

[@appleinfl]

Seeing the original MacBook Pro called a legacy machine makes me feel old. They were so revolutionary when new.

[@ragecook3241]

Think you could make this work with your trashcan mac? I'd love to see how to do that.

[@replikvltyoutube3727]

Does the old Mac use SSD? I think a lot of it's slowness may be caused by HDD

[@Petero3]

My computer is a 2008 white MacBook. It's not supported by the patch, but it can run Linux well. I will keep using it for a few more years, because it's still useful for me.

[@gerrywaneck377]

It's been my experience that although Sonoma (and Sequoia) run "slow" under OCLP, they actually run faster than the latest version of Catalina (10.15.7) on the same machine. Rock solid OS, so far, and legacy hardware works fine. Great integration with iPhone. Oh yeah, since you asked, it's a mid-2012 MacBook Pro 2.6 GHz i7 with 16gb RAM and 1 TB SSD. IMO the best engineered laptop Apple made.

[@jeremytoms5163]

Currently running Monteray on a 20" early 2009 Imac using Open Core Legacy. I'll admit that before I did the upgrade I upgraded to 8GB ram and a 256gb SSD. Not saying I was sceptical but the SSD upgrade was so that I would still have the original drive if it all went pear shaped. Works surprisingly well, I only use it for office work and web browsing but it's a 100x better than it was. I found that Safari would stutter with youtube so tried Chrome. Much better as most of the media codecs are integrated into Chrome a lot more smoothly than Safari. VLC is great as a DVD player compared to Quicktime. Haven't looked into whether I can run the latest OS yet, think that might be pushing it a bit too far.

[@95Comics]

Does this have to be done from a mac or can i do it on a linux or windows machine?

[@braddl9442]

I found when pushing to 1080p it takes like 15 to 30 seconds to buffer the video on older macs with OCLP. But once its got it loaded it goes smooth on 2010 and up. Once the browser is open it should load most stuff well.

[@otroe]

Just a heads up, afaik opencore doesnt touch the installer. It kind of just disables some of apples checks to get it to boot. The patching is from some of the drivers that are needed for older hardware, post install.

[@latticepoint5245]

I have a feeling Apple will try to strike the project down or at least prevent the same vulnerability from being exploited in the future sadly

[@magmaxt]

​@@latticepoint5245They are already doing it since the arrival of ARM chips. Once the transition is complete, bye to x86 based Macs.

[@joshuat502]

i would love to try this but sadly it is unsuported on my 2007 mac book pro (witch i am writing this comment on) but it works lovely with mac os el calpitan.

[@ericbauer4559]

Im running Sonoma on both my mbp9,2 and macpro6,1. Universal control is still working nicely on the 13".

[@RichardiOS275]

It's amazing how well this thing is handling it performance may be on par with recent Celeron N4020 laptops

[@jasonknox1399]

Great Video!..time to pull out my old MacBook pros and throw Sonoma on them!

[@allenvanhellen2572]

Did you ever figure out why the internal audio doesn’t work? And I assume that goes for wired speakers/headphones too?

[@Cofe82]

It's wild to see the that Macbook Pro next to that Dual Core Macbook Pro and how the design is the same yet different. You can see the influences into the M-Series MBPs that the G4/MBP design had.

[@Moonhack95]

Is the old Macbook Pro running on an HDD or SSD?

[@myawen_]

Oh, another question. Does doing this Sonoma upgrade start triggering “only 64 bit apps allowed” messages and blocks so that old 32 bit apps are no longer usable on that hardware where they were compatible on an older version of Mac OS X?

[@venomanceqt]

Rise and shine 😂 Mac OS doesn't support 32 bit applications for a couple of years since introduction of Mac OS Catalina.

[@myawen_]

​@@venomanceqt My question remains unanswered. I'll rephrase: If a Mac originally maxed out at 10.5-10.6 or something, which does support 32-bit, and they install this patched Sonoma, do they lose access to 32-bit apps because like you said macOS has been restricted to 64-bit apps since Catalina?

[@tobaqmusic]

@@myawen_ The 32-bit Macs that maxed out at 10.5-10.6 cannot even be patched to Sonoma (the latest patch-able version on those old 2006 machines is 10.7 Lion from 2011) so this would be a nonstarter for them. If you want a more usable modern experience on those Macs, your best bet would be a Linux distro (plenty of which support 32-bit), potentially alongside OS X 10.5-10.6 on another partition if you want to keep your old Mac apps etc :)

[@myawen_]

@@tobaqmusic But in the video we’re commenting on, he installs Sonoma on a non-unibody MBP, which is the one I looked up at lowendmac that says 10.6 was its highest supported Mac OS. He literally patches it with Sonoma in this video.

[@myawen_]

@@tobaqmusic Ok sorry, small correction on my part. He says at the beginning that his non unibody goes up to El Capitaine. But still, that’s 32 bit. Catalina after that required 64 bit. So back to my original question: does installing 64-bit only Sonoma on a system that was supporting up to El Capitaine 32 bit, lose its ability to run 32 bit apps after the Sonoma patching?

[@CoolStuffZone]

As you were closing the lids on the laptops, it looked like the laptop on the viewer's left had a better screen.

[@InsertGame1]

"Now I'm not one to use the term "flabbergasted" lightly". He wasn't kidding. He didn't even used it after the told us that.

[@AntonandSinan]

That MacBook Pro was my first Apple MacBook. It was such a gorgeous machine to use. Loved it.

[@karmaduq]

If I never see another Squarespace ad it will be too soon.

[@seangraylin]

I think there needs to be props made to apple too. I have a 16" mbp i7 from 2019 and my mac runs significantly cooler on Sonoma than it did on Ventura. Can't really speak on performance too much but I would assume it is much more efficient.

[@TheDuumiMuumi]

I just installed Sonoma to early 2009 iMac 20-inch, with SSD it's totally usable! That thing also needs keyboard and mouse connected to an USB hub for them to work.

[@DAMCARTER1]

While OCLP is amazing, this install isn’t that simple on a mid 2009 MacBook Pro 15. It stops at the login screen when updating from the update option in system preferences and at the setup screen when doing a clean install because the keyboard and mouse isn’t supported. The thing is I connected a 3.0 usb hub and then connected an external keyboard and mouse to it and still it does not respond. How did you get to install Sonoma on such an old unsupported MacBook?

[@maximecollet30]

Putting the 1080p video in full screen went smoother than my early 2020 macbook air lol

[@ryanzmuda3167]

Would you saw open core is now ready for general use for regular users

[@Reichstaubenminister]

Definitive Mac Upgrade Guide is also a great channel for stuff like this.

[@bland9876]

What's the point of running Steam on a Mac if there aren't any game for it? That never made any sense to me why there aren't any games made for Mac but okay. Also for those that don't know Halo was originally developed for the Mac.

[@pengiswe]

Cool :) I wanna see a comparison in how fast they read a DVD :P

[@pseudotasuki]

The similarity of loading the web page is likely due to the HTTPS negotiation taking most of the time.

[@micleeso]

I agree OCLP is one of the best open code projects RN. I think of the last keynote, with Apple's environmental "Mother Nature" initiative is purely marketing as their approach doesn't achieve a lower waste footprint compared to OCLP. OCLP extends the lifecycle of machines twice their engineered design. Hmm, you could say it achieves the 3Rs in waste management - Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.

[@Jonilive]

Nice one, just curious about when the os updates, does it breaks anything?

[@JairoMendozaAnimations]

Did you Instal Mac OS Monterey Ventura or Big Sur on a 2006 Max that is Unsupported

[@MarcosCodas]

Shouting out your buddy's YT channel was pretty great.

[@songsan807]

I do have the exact 11 inch macbook that I was thinking of putting OCL and just got a 15 inch 2015 to try this. Would be a great learning experience. Always wanted to see a real comparison of a mac upgraded to OCL and a newer mac with Sanoma running side by side. And now I have seen it. Thanks.

[@evanpasquale7554]

Tim: Our best M2 laptop, yet! Me: As a person who still uses a PowerBook G4/Intel, i see this as a win