Adepta Sororitas in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition - Full Index Rules and Sisters of Battle Datasheets

[@Lokd0wn]

Sisters don't even have to worry about Wraithknights or the like shitting out mortal wounds. They'll just get flattened by the inordinant amount of Indirect Fire that ignores cover, or their best tank busting stuff will just get hosed by Overwatch. They're basically IG with a slight bump in resilience, and a massive deficit in damage output.

[@Redtecho]

Their units also don't respawn.

[@primafacie5029]

You summed it up well

[@docken11]

IG is the most powerful army to start 10th, but Sisters are easily the second most powerful. Miracle dice has always been the best army ability and now they get more. This army is super scary now, especially with how cost efficient most sisters data sheets are.

[@Redtecho]

@docken11 I can't tell if this is a troll. Eldar get almost exactly the same thing and get devastating wounds on a lot of guns. Sisters have 3 sources of devastating wounds. All in melee, two character locked to a single model with no other anti interactions. One only able to go with a squad that gets 21 attacks, eliminates all other synergy from the squad, and also has no other anti-interaction.

[@mintw4241]

@@docken11as an eldar player who thinks that people are overhyping eldar you’re definitely wrong to put Sisters above them. Some of their combos are BRUTAL

[@Toffeehammer]

Maybe I'm just huffing the copium but I kind of prefer my armies to start a new edition a bit under-powered considering GW's tendency to over-nerf things that are too strong. Will probably mean we'll end up with a healthier balance in the long run as opposed to living the high life for a little while, getting panic-nerfed and then spending months in the toilet.

[@northerner3861]

They're definitely nerfed, but not unplayable. That said, whoa nelly are Rhinos gonna come into their own for a bit...

[@crowboy9818]

Agreed. Plus, let's wait for the codex. The other order flavour detachment rules will probably be the buffs we are looking for.

[@Wintersdark]

​@@crowboy9818Eh, "Let's wait for the codex" is fine to say when the codex is in the next few months, but it's as of yet unannounced and *at least* a year out. How about we not say that? We could well end up in the Guard position, getting one of the last few codexes immediately before an edition change. What we have is what we have for the foreseeable future and we've got to live with that. With that being said, "let's wait for the first quarterly balance pass and see what happens." Is a much more reasonable take. GW showed a real desire to constantly iterate on balance, so there's a good chance we'll see some changes. First will just be points, so it can't really fix our fundamental anti-tank problems, but there's lots of room for points cuts that could really help. Or at least nerfing of our predators.

[@magicswordz]

Space Marine Devastators: Better Toughness More Wounds Better Leadership Access to the same weapons and more (only loses out on heavy flamers, gains 3 other gun options) Can take extra models to protect the heavy weapons carriers from dying Sisters of Battle Retributors: Cost 10 points more Seriously GW?

[@davidcox6454]

Desolation squads are even cheaper aren’t they lol and just better sure only a small weapon selection but way more effective

[@TemperingFaber3]

And they didn't patch this (obvious) mistake in the latest changes...this is hilarious, gw really hates sisters

[@davidcox6454]

@@TemperingFaber3 at least they nerfed grey knight purgation squads. Those were just dominating……..

[@TemperingFaber3]

@@davidcox6454 Yeah, they were breaking the meta, they even nerfed the exorcist, the only unit in sisters' index which wasn't complete trash😂😂😂

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@davidcox6454 fortunately this has changed with the massive points nerf to desolation, but in the same sweep they nerfed the blasted harridan. Who thought that was OP?

[@bantcm]

You mentioned Morvenn Vahl has lost -1 damage, she actually had half damage in 9th so it's an even bigger durability loss.

[@rickbyrne3967]

Thank you for making a Sisters video!! 😊

[@THWikiPodcast]

Devestators being cheaper than retributors is hilarious

[@davidcox6454]

Havocs are only 5 points more and are miles better.

[@MrKoalaburger]

GW went too hard in nerfing them. They seem even more nerfed than everyone else. And the character combos are more strict than any other index I've looked at. It kinda sucks cuz like, yes Bloody Rose was atrocious and needed dialed back. But they nerfed our killing power into the dirt, while also nerfing our durability overall. I played against Death guard and got crushed, I just couldn't do anything. Even with all the miracle dice dumping into meltas and invul saves.

[@Redtecho]

To be forced into OmL then have your squad size capped at 10 has to be the biggest slap in the face from GW

[@40kWarpHeroes]

blah blah blah

[@Redtecho]

@@40kWarpHeroes lol what?

[@Jesayou]

Is that because squads are just going to be wiped and we're going to lose out on the half strength bonus Im new

[@mikepopovici4810]

​@@Jesayoupretty much

[@Redtecho]

@@Jesayou or that the half strength bonus only kicks in when your model count is so low that it might as well not matter.

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

We've flattened their fingers We've branded their buns Nothing is working! SEND IN THE NUNS WITH GUNS!

[@Nico745]

Loading Promethium Cannisters intensifies

[@MissMitzi]

you're a poet, you didn't even realize it

[@or6397]

“Widespread use of power armour, rendering their warriors phenomenally resilient” - 10th edition rulebook regarding Sisters of Battle 🙄

[@paulshaw3907]

Compared to other basic infantry they are. But being better than a guardsman isn't saying much

[@Turai12]

They don't even have much more survivability than a guardsman. Same thoughtness, same wounds. Slightly better save and a mostly pointless 6+inv. If anything, they got worse durability point for point. I'll never get having someone in power armor being t3.

[@Indoor_Carrot]

That cannot possible justify making them 2x as much points as guard when they still die really easily. Right now it's more cost effective to run guardsmen.

[@cristiansasori]

- There is no decent anti-tank. Vehicles and meltas are not strong enough to eliminate a T11 vehicle - The army rule and the detachment rule are not synergistic, they are the opposite - The melee units are adapted to the new edition and I think they are fine, but without bloody they won't make much of an impact - Cheap characters do not look strong in comparison to other armys I really think that adding the above to the return of indirect fire I don't know how Workshop wants us to deal with the other armys. 🙃

[@Ultr4l0f]

Detachment and army kinda works together tho. Get hurt, be rewarded. Get very hurt. Get an even better reward. Get killed. Get a small consolation prize

[@Alucard291]

Yeah until the buffs come this is going to be the 30% winrate army. Melee like repentia bounces really hard so what's left? Meltas that don't reach anything? 3 Castigators and 3 Exorcists and call it a day? Oh well lets see what the codex is like in 2 years time lol

[@Redtecho]

It's more that sisters don't survive long enough to make use of any of these gradients.

[@imjustsam1745]

At least they're still pretty.

[@TheJocmonger]

@@imjustsam1745 I've just about finished painting a 3000 point Sisters army just in time for them to get nerfed , but you're right they are still pretty lol

[@Neoyugi]

It's fucking annoying that the rules are clearly designed to run MSU sisters but squads are capped at 10. Just mind boggling design.

[@BrokenKrayon]

Take an immolator. Can split squads with it

[@Neoyugi]

@@BrokenKrayon That's not really a solution, I also shouldn't be forced to take a 130pt tax to do something I could do for free before.

[@Indoor_Carrot]

@@BrokenKrayon Where did you find that? I can't see that in the core rules or in this index.

[@BrokenKrayon]

@unbeatablesniper16 it's under the heading "Transport" on the index...unless its been errata or something because GW reasons

[@shakyrob6512]

My Battle Sisters as is has become an utter mess. Can still play games but the two squads of 15 are no longer a thing. The four squads of 5... No longer a thing. Four 6 strong squads of Dominions... Nope. Six 6 strong Retributors... All their Simulacrum models are dust collectors. Oh and a three squads of Celestians (10/twox6) will have to be something else but with golden armor instead of silver. Two of my eight Repentia squads are now lacking a Mistress of Repentance as well. Almost forgot about the 9 Mortifiers. Now played in pairs. At least they are metal and can make for paper weights and door stops. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@or6397]

It’s pretty rough and I don’t think they’ve done any play testing on these indexes. I don’t know why GW think a 1W T3 army needs to be debuffed and still priced like marines. A marine can have 4-5 attacks, 2W and those are the standard troops people don’t want in their army, It feels like they looked at the win rate for 9th, said let’s drop them across the board; figured 3 plus armour is amazing so units of 10 are durable enough. Then point costed them to be 2/3 or same cost as marine units because that’s where they’ve always sat. 🙄 You can’t have it both ways. Either marines are the power fantasy faction where your army is 20 models or you make non marine units better. Like it’s not even representing the lore since Sisters can kill marines and fight alongside them all time in the stories but even a Canoness has worse stats than a Chaos Legionary.

[@TemperingFaber3]

Plus the leadership of a guard on a sister is so weird.

[@joshy7759]

Oh you played bloody rose in 9e. Interesting. Now tell me about your skyrim stealth archer build 🙄

[@yuruna1661]

ngl my favourite faction is sisters and are the only army i collect in real life but so far are my least favourite to play in tenth so far t3 armies feel horrible already in tenth but sister take it to an extreme by having no access to decent anti vehicle in an indirect, durability meta they simply dont stand up to fighting the one chance they have at winning is to just focus purely on objectives and hope you dont need to kill something cus it will be unrelaible without a miracle litterally

[@northerner3861]

Yeah, the melta changes are baffling- not just for Sisters, but it hits them the hardest because everybody else relying on Meltas at least has access to stuff like lascannons and the like.

[@mrcaterpillow9926]

​@@northerner3861Then don't use Melta. Sisters have access to Castigstors which are pretty damn good now. Also hunter killer missiles hitting on 2's, you can use dice to deal full damage.

[@newhope33]

@@mrcaterpillow9926 Castigator is crap.

[@mrcaterpillow9926]

@@newhope33 No it's not? Castigstors battle cannon is D6+3 shots, S10, -1, 3 damage. It also gets full rerolls to hit vs Monsters or Vehicles. It ignores cover and has blast so it can also be pretty good for infantry as well. Especially with it's 48" range, and only costing 150 points it can definitely punch up. It also has access to smokescreen to give it a -1 to hit, AND can force battle shock test on things it hits. I just think a lot of people wanna bitch and moan before even seeing what it can do.

[@northerner3861]

@@mrcaterpillow9926 I play Orks dude. So my direct involvement in this issue is more than a little distant. It baffles me that people online seem incapable of realizing that you don't have to play an army to see when it's been hosed relative to what people have already spent money on and built. And you're being more than a little disingenuous here. They had a weapon option that spent literal decades as directly and meaningfully anti-vehicle. That's what it was for. That's why anyone took it. It sure as hell wasn't in my 4th edition guard list for any other reason. And now it's kind of a... lame-ass "shoot it at Terminators or Meganobz" gun. People are allowed to be pissed about that. Especially, again, if they've already sunk in a pile of cash, and the only solution you offer is to buy a new tank kit.

[@SeekTheMoon201]

Sisters are weak when indirect is strong and with the higher toughness and lower ap the lack of real antitank and the melter nerf really hurts us. And tbh I dont really see an easy fix for this. At least on a competitive level I dont see sisters making any top 5s till the new codex releases and gives us bloody rose or some equivalent.

[@yuruna1661]

i think your probably right i think a vehicle spam list will be our best option until they bring out our codex or do some major points changes the other option is we are getting a bunch of new units with the codex with much better weapon maybe even some big vehicles or new infantry that are good

[@Begawow]

I think if sisters was priced properly and we weren't paying 26 points a model for rets and stuff it would fix it tbh, I'm biased as a sisters player but I unironically think rets should go to 20 points a model, battle sisters to 9 or 10, doms to 11 etc. Just an all around 30% points cut across the board and I would be way more ok with sisters identity in 10th. 11 points a model as our cheapest unit feels criminal for how much punch sisters lost. GW has to realize sisters data sheets have never been that crazy strong in recent times, they were just held up by broken secondaries for most of 9th and not actual datasheet strength

[@primafacie5029]

Vehicles are THE thing for 10th (GW must want to sell more kits) and we are NOT good anti vehicle. And if we go vehicle heavy? We're just ImpGuard with fancier stuff.

[@Make_America_Native_Again]

@@primafacie5029 We just gotta lean into Melta and castigators. Using acts of faith on damage rolls.

[@docken11]

Sisters are probably top 3. Only IG are clearly better. Worried about armor then just roll out the castigators and rapid ingress the Morven led paragon warsuits. This army is amazing with the amount of miracle dice it now gets.

[@OdinMagnus]

You missed that Celestine can resurrect any model in the unit, not just a Geminae. Which means you can bring back the Zephyrim superior, or in the Seraphim squad you can bring back the flamer one too. Even though the Geminae would be the best, just depends on who died

[@Mythantor]

Cant assign wound to the Gemini untill all the Zephyrim are dead so...

[@DennisW91]

i wonder what happenes if celestine is the only one left. yes the smart choice is to res a gemina but theoreticly could she rez a zephirem? Is she still a leader to a dead squad?

[@Mythantor]

@@DennisW91 Nope once the squad is dead she doesnt count as being part of it.

[@OdinMagnus]

@@Mythantor precision shot could injure a geminae

[@samuelcoudry-lemay9861]

@@Mythantor Technically you can, the Geminae don't have the character keyword and the rule to allocate successful wounds to a leader states "cannot be allocated to a Character model in that unit".

[@aicybot1905]

Just because I haven't heard anyone mention it, the Battle Sanctum is gone as well. I don't know if anyone really cares, but I find that not all faction terrain pieces were removed but the Sanctum was kinda of sad for SoB.

[@Nico745]

I have my own, but it's really sad news indeed

[@EmeraldFatalis]

Agreed. I got it this last January and it is sad news.

[@boheadgundealer]

They stopped seeking it in December last year - been a while coming

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

In all fairness, all the fortifications I've seen in the indexes thus far (I haven't gone through them all, but still) have been utterly dogshite. 115 for miasmic malignifer. 100 for the skull altar. 105 for the gnarlmaw. 200-something for the convergence of dominion. Fortifications seem to be uniformly dogshit and not worth taking.

[@thomasjenczak3833]

Yesterday, I've juste made one game against a SM who has tanks and dreads only. The game was awfull...Sistas lack of real anti-tank weapons. The Strenght 10 on casti and exorcist hurts a lot and then the short-range of meltas...Repentias were still effective though and also the combo with ret's and Dialogus. But still, the problem is how can I survive on objectives with 10 sistas...If the meta is going on monsters and vehicle, it's gonna be a hardtime for this army

[@northerner3861]

If they'd just stick Anti-Vehicle of some sort on Melta weapons (because historically, that's what melta weapons were all about) it'd suck less.

[@thomasjenczak3833]

@@northerner3861 definitely

[@oishiicuisine1901]

don't play castigator, use exorcist instead, then use immolator with retributors and dialogus. Morvenn vahl with parangon works well too. To protect your low level sister use the combo canoness with ophelia cloak (except if you prefer the miracle dice reroll buff) + nurse and you ll have something hard to remove on a strategic point. Then protect your troopers from melee with some arco they have a bunch of dice :) Yes we don't have a lot's of anti tank but it's possible without any doubt.

[@thomasjenczak3833]

@@oishiicuisine1901 except that find parangons too expensive. But yeah we've to build our lists for such combos and tanking

[@Talleyhoooo]

Completely off topic but, this video was the only thing that got my 4 day old son to finally sleep last night, thank you.

[@auspextactics]

Cheers, that's nice of you. Hope he starts sleeping a bit better :D

[@TemperingFaber3]

I'm really disappointed with sisters' leadership, it's such a lore fail.

[@youtousim]

Kinda like the overall Sisters rules. But building lists is no fun. "Simplified, not simple" definitely does not apply to Leader unit options. It's neither, nor. Just random. And instead of looking for nice synergies, it feels like looking to avoid anti-synergies or wasted potential. Some units even have this build in the datasheet, like Sister Novitiates best weapon option, 2 S5 Flamer. But their unit rule is rerolling hit rolls. Definitely need some polish.

[@Ilmyrn]

Hopefully Celestians being left out of the Index means GW's finally figured out something interesting to do with them rules-wise and we'll get a dedicated kit for them.

[@northerner3861]

They did. They're selling you Sacresants instead. LOOK GRATEFUL! Meanwhile, the directions in the boxes will go on baffling newbies wondering what the hell a Celestian Squad is since it has the same weapons options as regular Battle Sisters...

[@nielsjensen4185]

Copium :p

[@MitchNotKeithorRob]

Celestians were epic for armoured infantry sisters. Debusing from a Immolator with multi melta, melta and combi melta with a Cannoness. Hitting on 2s re rolling 1s. WHY have they removed them?!

[@nielsjensen4185]

@@MitchNotKeithorRob Probably because of that, they were too good on their own, which leaves me with the question. Where are the synergies beyond attaching some characters to a unit? Ideally, Adepta Sororitas should be an army built around synergy with parts that individually are weak and together is strong. Instead, it's an army of units that are individually weak and together slightly less weak. If it was something like their Battleline Sisters firing at a target and then everyone else that fired at the same unit could add +1 to a Miracle Dice (cumulative) as Thjje Emperor ascended through their deeds, or something like that.

[@Indoor_Carrot]

@@nielsjensen4185 "built around synergy" and now with this index most of them don't synergise. Some heroes abilities only buff themselves and the majority of squads are weak as heck. Even the hospitaller can only restore wounds to a character and doesn't revive dead models anymore, but guard can still respawn D3 models in each squad?!! make it make sense.

[@ralphranzinger4197]

To be honest, GW should increase leadership and weapons Range of certain Units and its okay for me. As a fluff gamer, this list is fine and will improve with the Codex. They just need Aircraft (a fighter Jet or a Bomber with Napalm Like Weapons), Bikes (lancers or similar) and a Super heavy Unit (maybe that wheeled Cathedral). Or give them Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer.... that would be nice.

[@BurningOleander]

I want sisters bikers so badly, if only so I can kitbash the new imperial guard cavalry with sacrescant torsos to use them as stand-ins.

[@trutherx3440]

If GW let us use MD on Freeblades they don't have to change anything. The most important debuff right now is anti tank. Otherwise its ok. But rets are crap, castigator is mid tier and these are the only 2 units who can deal a decent wound output

[@Boxfortress]

I'd love a sisters version of a Valkyrie. But since there so much SM lite, they'd prob get... what is it the thunderhawk?

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

Funny: Their Combat Patrol box is absolute junk for that game mode. The Rhino will get blasted while the tiny flagellant and repentia squads can be shot in one turn.

[@Dannymiles1987]

I need 6 Rhinos so it’s a good deal. I’m heavy battle sisters.

[@hmad898]

1:04:54 I typically run 6 paragon warsuits anyways so morvenn is basically an auto include for me

[@paulausten5786]

Sisters index is so underwhelming. 10 woman squads that GW don’t even put a MM in the box. The reduction in AP & strength makes melee hitting with paper bags. No anti armour as such paragons need Vahl but she buffs one squad only. The exorcist. PE/Mortifiers in a indirect meta won’t get there even with advance & charge. Leaders won’t last because vindicares will be able very where. Add in Towering, devastating wounds, Eldar fate & basically killing anything they look at, space marines reroll everything, oh & overwatch being absolutely bonkers. Guess it could be worse we could be DG, Ad Mech or Votann.

[@Kattbirb]

Looks like wargear options are still nonexistent for vanilla HQs. In what world should a Canoness have fewer options than a Tactical Marine?! That's not the Sergeant, just one of the marines!! Staying within the same army, a Palatine has one option. A non-named character that can be a cheap warlord has fewer options than a squad leader. And what happened to all the Eviscerators and Saraphim packs that SoB HQs used to get? Are they supposed to hide in the back with whatever half of a Dominion Squad didn't fit in an Immolator? It's stupid stuff like this that's left my Sisters gathering dust for a decade now.

[@LunarSniperWifle]

Celestine can I believe revive Zephyrim and Seraphim as well as her Geminae, since it is worded as just 'while this unit is below starting strength', that would include those too!! I think its a nice helpful aspect if they dont gun down everything in one go, but auto reviving a Geminae if she is still up and standing is nice, especially if she dies, revives, and then next command phase boom she gets a body guard lady again. Overall i think my biggest upset is locked squad sizes on the infantry. I get they want to simplify things and have it be 'field whats in the box' as much as possible, but I would have liked having the bigger squad option for the normal battle sisters. Im excited to see what new units we get as well, anti tank seems kinda of scary for the army, melta miracle dice will definitely be the answer there along with the castigator and paragon war maces, but hopefully we get something additional to help out with that later. I get they also dont want everything to get +1 to hit and wound with lots of scary stuff left (why i feel retributors are stuck at 5 when devastator marines get the option for more, since they cant get benefits for losing models). Id also like some mounted units, whether they are on bikes or horses or whatever, I think that could be cool, as well as a flyer of some sort could be interesting. regardless, seems very fun, and Im even more tempted to pick up one if not two combat patrol boxes to get more battle sister squads, some rhinos, and seraphym. Thanks for all the videos!!

[@ianhorne2884]

Where "light of the emperor" talks about not modifing carictoristics, could you use this before a battle shock test abs stay at your origonal OC if you fail as you cant have the OC carictoristic changed ??

[@cocainecat8569]

I don't share the doom and gloom of most players, but I do think that melee got nerfed too hard, beacuse even disregarding bloody rose, we also lost war hymn, and every order could get that, and out best anti-tank is kinda crap now. I wish this index hand a bit of "anti-tank 4+" in there, maybe on cassie battle cannon or retributor meltas, and some sustained hits on repentia and zephyrim. And also I don't like the detachment, mainly because it and the army rule play against each other. Like, do I want to play lots of small units and get miracle dice for them dying or run big bricks and try to get full benefit for below half strength? Given that 20-strong sister brick and 10-strong rets bricks are gone I'm thinking it's the former, so the detachment rule doesn't help almost at all. In those games I played I only got the +1 to wound once. I guess you could change the strat for +1 to wound in melee to make one unit be concidered below half to get the benefits, or give me some other way to activate the full detachment benefit. Otherwise, having played a couple of games on TTS, I don't think it's all THAT bad, nothing is unfixable, and rules are really strong if taken full advantage of.

[@paulshaw3907]

I'm looking at msu deathcult and crusaders Leroy Jenkins up the board to moveblock and/or die. Preacher with d3 miracle enhancement rides with them to revive and get 2d3 dice

[@loltwest9423]

This was always gonna happen. The second they said the lethality of everything in 40k was gonna drop, it seemed obvious that Sisters of Battle were gonna be hit hard by it. They won't get any tougher, especially as an infantry-centric army, and having all the armor get tougher meant their killing potential just dropped...which is all they have as a glass cannon army. Getting to play at least one game vindicated everything I thought of this Index: we've been defanged.

[@Jesayou]

Can I pay Auspex to sleep my god

[@primafacie5029]

Soothing

[@shakyrob6512]

He is sleeping, well sleep reporting. Can't you tell by the tone of his voice?

[@HeIsAnAli]

>Rejoice the Fallen Dark Angels: _Oh, fuck...!_

[@GTXanatos13]

I'm still collecting Sisters, but my interest in a Dialogus shot up with the edition change, ditto Celestine because I love my jump pack models, Junith now that she's not locked out of Ebon Chalice, and maybe even the Triumph. Being able to run multiple Canonesses is nice if I can figure out how best to use them. Losing celestians hurt slightly, I liked bodyguards hitting on 2s, and the squad size locking messed up my 5-girl dominion squads, but that's easy to deal with.

[@dr3dg352]

I collect Ebon Chalice, too. 😄I'll have to put down some money to get a 10th edition army together though, I assembled a 4 Storm Bolter Dominion squad specifically for 9th edition's Blessed Bolts stratagem. 😐

[@GTXanatos13]

@@dr3dg352 RIP Blessed Bolts :(. I think all of the weapons on dominions having assault starts to make up for it, and I think the smar move is a palatine with my storm bolter girls.

[@PadraicSmith]

I really wanna know who's happy about locked unit sizes, bc it seems like nobody is, and who at GW thought that we would be. It's almost like we got the option to use locked unit sizes with power level in 9th, and nobody did, bc nobody liked it bc it wasn't balanced, and now they've just kinda made it the compulsory way of playing, by taking points costs out of the room, we hear a few muffled cries for help, and then power level walks back into the room wearing points costs' jacket with a smear of blood on the lappel, and introduces himself as points cost.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

GW doesn't care what the players like, they want to make 40K into Sci-fi AoS.

[@niklas3947]

I like it. Feels less gamey, at least for some armies. The whole "always take minimums because efficiency" thing was kind of annoying. The only issues I have with it are the instances when GW obviously decided to ignore their own kits. Plague Marines being 5 or 10 is a joke, as are Custodian Wardens being 3 or 6. Both these are so incredibly dumb because they could have simply gone 5, 7 and 10 for Plague Marines and 4 and 5 for Wardens. They have a lot of work ahead of them if they want those fixed sizes to work smoothly.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@@niklas3947 ironically, I can SEE the idea of using virions to make it 7? But that's more a TAX to get 7 models.

[@PadraicSmith]

@@niklas3947 idk, I think locked unit sizes feels *more* gamey than not. But yeah when they ignore what's in the kit it's just dumb

[@northerner3861]

I mean, let's state the obvious... Now you can't get two units out of a single box of Battle Sisters (even though the website still has the "Dominions and Celestians" listing, never mind that Celestians no longer exist). Cha-ching.

[@netherby4335]

Its not as bad as some people make out, but there are some pretty questionable changes. The unit size options are obviously stupid, who has 10 model dominions squads? The rules now make units better as they lose models but you can't make the units big enough to still have models left in them to use the rules? Why are immolators so expensive? Were they afraid of people spamming them to split units? After making the main faction rule punish you for having small units?

[@erickavery1]

I am concerned they did my boi the Immolator wrong...lowering the range on multimeltas was bad but then making them twin-linked too.../sadness.

[@BurningOleander]

Played my first game with them against Thousand Sons today! Went really well! The martyr buff is genuinely powerful, melta is still really good if not quite aaas wild and the exorcist does work!

[@Redtecho]

Someone had a non challenging opponent.

[@jthomas7453]

​@@Redtechoyea... sisters can't do much against a competitive ksons list atm

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

The question is if you brought a greyfax.

[@BurningOleander]

@@johnj.spurgin7037 not yet cause I don't own one, but I really wanna! I did have the null rod on my canoness tho

[@BurningOleander]

@@jthomas7453 I mean, not with that attitude

[@JonathanCrane82]

I play Raven Guard these days since leaving the bugs, but i collect sisters just because they're so cool looking. Might field them one day. Maybe. Doubt it. Because the rules almost make me want to go back to Nids.

[@sygabz]

Looks like my sisters are gonna be rocking inside my IKEA detolf for a while.

[@richmcgee434]

To point out the obvious, 10 points for Saintly Example plus the Divine Intervention strat for the minimum 1CP should net you anywhere from 1-5 extra CP, averaging 3CP. She'll have to die twice while able to use strats to do it, but that still feels like a bargain. Similarly, the Mantle of St. Ophelia makes spending CP on Divine Intervention much more efficient if they're going to be killed (again) by D2+ weapons.

[@Redtecho]

No on all counts, divine intervention says in the strat that you can't target the same person with the strat. You also can't make it free or refundable as you need to be paired with battle sisters to get the effect and if they are targeting your character they are 95% likely to be dead. Mantle doesn't force anyone to attack with anything over D1.

[@DennisW91]

What i dont get is the bad leadership. They were almost equal to SM lore and ingame because of their completely fanatic believe..

[@8BitSamurai]

This index is so horrifically bad, there's no amount of points changes that are going to save it. Every game is a frustrating mess, unless you're playing something with a similarly horrendous index. Leaders and what they can attach to seem to be picked at random. Why can't the Canoness attach to Dominions? Other leaders that don't have Scout can attach to them, so that can't be the reason. Why couldn't the Palatine attach to a unit with a Canoness like a Lieutenant can? Same thing with the Hospitaller and other smaller characters. Not that you'd want to waste your time with the Canoness anyway, or most of the characters. Why did they make the Sacresants suck so bad? It wasn't enough to lose the 2+ save? They had to decrease the strength too? I can accept the AP reduction since it's less across the board, but they've gone from wounding Custodes on a 3 with the halberds to wounding on a 5 with any of them. Jesus, the anti-tank is so bad too. Retributors are almost completely worthless, they wound any decent armour on a 5, only re-rolling 1s. No units attach to them to give them a buff either, or at least not ones that make them even remotely decent. Why couldn't they have an Anti-Vehicle 4+? Re-rolling more dice, like Eradicators do? Anything? The unit sizes are so random some of the time. Why can't you take 5 Dominions, and can't take 10 Retributors either? It feels like they were randomly generated, it's so bad. Half of my Miracle Dice just end up sitting on the board and going to waste. 1-3 used to be worthwhile for morale checks, but now they have almost no use at all. Moment of Grace would help this army so much, but of course that's not one they kept. The best you can do is use gimmicks that let you re-roll them and hope for the best. What's even the point of the resurrection strat? If my entire unit that the character was buffing is gone, why would I even waste a command point on bringing one back on a wound? The only time it's useful is if you get sniped or it's the only thing on an objective you need. Not being able to make 2+ saves on cover hurts the survivability so bad too. The whole index has no survivability, has no way whatsoever to deal with the insane armour they put in the game, has no synergy at all, seems to have been made with no care or thought, and is unfun and stands little chance against any of the good factions.

[@8BitSamurai]

I also wonder what the fuck they were thinking with the Leadership stats, why did they used to be even with Space Marines, and now they're like 2 worse? What the fuck were they thinking? It's not like Battleshock does anything 98% of the time, but it's just another big middle finger, and more salt in the wound.

[@Indoor_Carrot]

I really hope the codex brings order abilities back and brings celestians back. Don't know why they were left out. In the last codex the hospitaller was able to bring dead models back. Now all she can do is restore wounds on characters. What the heck is that good for? Arco flagellants are still good though with 4+ feel no pain. Battle Sister, Retributor, Dominion squads now HAVE TO have 10 models according to the index. So you can't run small units at the moment, which throws the video's point about the stratagems out the window. The index is complete crap. When playing a game against my friend's guard I got absolutely wrecked and barely managed to kill anything. Feels like they were nerfed into the ground in this edition. Hope the codex makes them actually playable.

[@Axquirix]

The number of times I was mentally following you saying "half squads of 5" with "double squads of 20" was funny to me. It was a bit of a meme in 9th but it'd have a decent use bodyguarding units like the Triumph in 10th, and heck, Guard can do it now, just let Sisters do the same... The Preacher is a fantastic character for Saintly Example, since he and his accompanying Arco-Flagellants will probably die quite quickly and gives you a bit of a reward even if the Extremis Trigger Word [Hazardous] rolls go completely against you. Personally holding out hope for a later Celestians ShootThingsGoodoris kit, to replace the old "battle sisters but better" role with something akin to Sternguard veterans.

[@SiotGleda]

Honestly feeling like Sisters are being debuffed badly. Between making all the melee units generally weak, as well as generally making multimeltas short range and wounding on 5+ (wtf) they really don’t have much punch anymore. It feels like they’re trying to make their miracle dice their entire gimmick 😢

[@notarealchannel6537]

Can we please get some balance to melta in comparison to all other anti tank? S8 and 18in is insane on such fragile units to do anything but is the one of the only things that doesn't wound on 6s for the sisters. Playing knights with the sisters is a joke. Save the hour for them to have you pick up your models and play some ToTK

[@Sev017]

I dont understand why the name sake units are the worst in the range. I dont want to play ministorum units or tanks, if i wanted that, idve chosen a different faction, But if I "rule of cool" seems like we just get tabled. dk what to think, just think playing the army i went for wont be fun

[@AJMoustgaard]

Triumph + Dialogus.. so you want to use 6 miracle dices in shooting phase, on a single unit and make them 6's, why yes, my melta toting Retribution squad would love that😂

[@ForrestFox]

Lets say I put the Saintly Example enhancement on a front character, and she dies. I get the D3 miracle dices. If I use the stratagem to bring her back, will she come back with the enhancement, so if she dies again I get to roll the D3 a second time?

[@Tirax13]

i was so close starting this game. But im glad i didnt GW is a sinister company

[@nothanks1239]

I have necrons and plan to buy the soritas as my second army. I know they typically lose; but i absolutely love their design, and the miracle dice is such a fun mechanic in the game.

[@nick1635]

Auspex i have to say your coverage of 10th edition has been fantastic, i dont know how you can publish so many videos of such a high quality so quickly!

[@slyer0]

yeah I need to get some more sisters since I not have 5 dominions and 5 celestians, and with how I loaded them out I can't fuse them. not the worst case scenerio but still kinda sucky.

[@notarealchannel6537]

Doing dirty by the high Lord of terra... Shows that her initial release was a money grab and another blow to the only female based army.

[@Jelcius]

Thank you for this video. It was very helpful and well put together. :) Really usefull for someone tempted to get back into 40k.

[@liamk.6389]

Crying cause no more storm bolter mortals

[@akumaking1]

Bricky do be loving his Bolter babes

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Awesome video analysis in regards to the Nuns with Guns!

[@leapril1845]

Can Hospitaller still Reanimator fallen Modells? I dont understand the new "restores Up to 3 wounds" rule 😅 But If Not this would make her ab bit useless on Retributors etc

[@Indoor_Carrot]

Nope, she can only give a character model 3 wounds back. She gives a unit feel no pain 5+, but honestly she's useless.

[@leapril1845]

@@Indoor_Carrot Thank you! 💜 I also asked the Hobby Shop of my Trust this Question... After He told me i Just returned to my Necron Army again 😅 Wanted to Test Out the Soros in 9th edition Just to create my Army around the Hospitaller... Well .. atleast my Necrons are still doing fine 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@collegeoffoliage6776]

Wake up sister, new auspex has dropped! :D

[@imjustsam1745]

Good edition for multi army players.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

Exorcists seem just better than Castigators? The exorcist has Shorter range, and the damage is random, but it's heavy, has indirect fire, and with miracle dice, the damage randomness can be counteracted. I don't think the Castigator's ability is probably worth the extra 10 points? Either way, with two exorists, I don't feel like I need to rush out and get any castigators... Looks like paragons have the strongest anti- tank in the army ( but only -1ap), apart from HK missiles. It actually looks like penitent buzz saws might be more efficient with the wound re-rolls, and have -3ap so it might actually stick? Just have to get them there. Of course, the Paragons contribute a bit more at ranged. But I think Paragons are a bit pricy. I need to adjust all my Battle Sister and dominion squads. I'll just Jam them together randomly I guess? 😮‍💨 One of my favourite tricks was to stick a 5 sister dominion squad in a rhino with 5 Retributors or 5 battle sisters to deliver an alpha strike punch or grab objectives, which I can't do now. Arbitrarily locking units out of transports, like dominions and battle sisters out of single immolaters7, seems odd too.

[@jthomas7453]

There are a few things to comment on here. 1.) Even if dominions and rets could go together in a rhino (which they still can, explaination below) they still couldn't pre-game move now because the Scout rule only applies to the vehicle if EVERY model has the scout rule. 2.) BSS and Dominions not locked out of immolators, immolators have a special rule that allows you to split the squad into 2 separate units with an equal number of models (or as equal as possible if you have attached characters) meaning you can put one squad of 5 dominions in the immolator, then another squad of 5 dominions anywhere else, with the weapons split however you want. 3.) I think castigators are worth considering still, the battle cannon ignoring cover is great, and the rerolls are just an added bonus, honestly the main reason I would include one is for the ability to force a battleshock test. Can be extremely powerful to plink an important squad for your opponent and shut down CP usage on the squad for the turn, as well as objective control for things like secondaries. 4.) I entirely agree tho, the fact that all our squads have been capped weirdly is just so ridiculous to me. BSS not being 5 sucks, but also not being able to go up to 20 sucks even more. Retributors being maximum 5 now, the edition where we can only run OML for now, which wants dead models feels extremely insulting. Really hope we see something change with squad sizes before our dex drops in at least a year.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

@jthomas7453 thanks for clarifying and addressing my questions. I didn't do a good job of communicating on the second point. I knew they could split between immolaters. I was just trying to express annoyance that it was necessary for dominions to split at all if you want the fire support vehicle, as it kind of dilutes their effectiveness. Actually, it seems like a pretty good idea for battle sisters, as it doesn't impact their effectiveness in the same way and makes them more flexible... You're probably right on the Castigator. It might be a future purchase. But for now, I'm just pleased my exorcists are decent enough includes, to the point that they're actually usable!

[@shakyrob6512]

Silly 2k list I just whipped up on the app while listening in. Suffer Not the Witch to Live (1995 points) Adepta Sororitas Strike Force (2000 points) Hallowed Martyrs CHARACTER Missionary "Kyrinov" (50 points) • Warlord • 1x Holy pistol 1x Power weapon • Enhancement: Blade of Saint Ellynor Missionary "Taddeus" (60 points) • 1x Holy pistol 1x Power weapon • Enhancement: Litanies of Faith Missionary "Jacobus" (45 points) • 1x Chainsword 1x Holy pistol 1x Ministorum shotgun • Enhancement: Saintly Example Preacher "Klovus" (45 points) • 1x Zealot’s vindictor Preacher "Redemptionist" (45 points) • 1x Zealot’s vindictor Preacher (45 points) • 1x Zealot’s vindictor OTHER DATASHEETS Arco-flagellants (150 points) • 10x Arco-flails Arco-flagellants (150 points) • 10x Arco-flails Arco-flagellants (150 points) • 10x Arco-flails Crusaders (60 points) • 6x Power weapon Crusaders (60 points) • 6x Power weapon Crusaders (60 points) • 6x Power weapon Death Cult Assassins (35 points) • 2x Death Cult power blades Death Cult Assassins (35 points) • 2x Death Cult power blades Mortifiers (120 points) • 4x Mortifier flamer 2x Twin penitent buzz-blades Mortifiers (120 points) • 4x Mortifier flamer 2x Twin penitent buzz-blades Mortifiers (120 points) • 4x Mortifier flamer 2x Twin penitent buzz-blades Penitent Engines (120 points) • 2x Penitent flamers 2x Twin penitent buzz-blades Repentia Squad (150 points) • 1x Repentia Superior • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Neural whips • 9x Sister Repentia • 9x Penitent eviscerator Repentia Squad (150 points) • 1x Repentia Superior • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Neural whips • 9x Sister Repentia • 9x Penitent eviscerator Repentia Squad (150 points) • 1x Repentia Superior • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Neural whips • 9x Sister Repentia • 9x Penitent eviscerator ALLIED UNITS Eversor Assassin (75 points) • 1x Executioner pistol 1x Power sword and neuro gauntlet

[@primafacie5029]

Perfect timing

[@ThijsSchrijnemakers]

Would be fun to finally see a Castigator on the tabletop!

[@tecguy1229]

Justa what I played today, sweet!

[@TemperingFaber3]

Best girls!

[@trollwholivesu7258]

Very cool, definitely my 7th favorite faction

[@sergeantrattus6149]

Uh hi...

[@jonathangibson9482]

I think the army and detachment rule work quite well. If the enemy avoids hurting a unit, then that one is safe. If they hurt a unit a bit, the unit is more accurate. If they hurt a unit quite a lot, the unit is more accurate twice over. And if they destroy a unit, you get a miracle dice. As the game progresses, you get compensation for whatever your opponent does. And anything they don't target will be fighting at full strength.

[@BrokenKrayon]

This guy gets it

[@doomkingraye7692]

yeah but the weapon profiles look like were balanced supposing that they would get the +1 to wound but it's almost impossible to get it 5 retributors get +1 if they are 2 or less, are t3 and 1 wound, anything in the game will wipe out the unit in 1 go and the unit cannot have 10 models

[@MrKoalaburger]

I only recieved the detach benefits in characters. Everything else in my army was wiped in whole when targeted. Even my Warsuits and mortifiers. I ended the game turn 4. I had left: Celestine alone. An exorcist, but locked in combat. They had: Daemon Prince. Helbrute. 8 plague marines. 2 support characters. Plaguebearers. Plague drone thing. (I forget the actual name). It was rough.

[@8BitSamurai]

The only good thing about the index is that you get Miracle Dice on death instead of destroying a unit, which is extremely good since you will be doing MUCH more of the former than of the latter.

[@doomkingraye7692]

@@8BitSamurai yeah but the units are shit

[@manda60]

I am so excited to run more units with buffing characters attached, particularly the major ones like Morven or Celestine. Plus the Castigator seems pretty tasty now for direct fire, with Exorcists for indirect fire/blast templates?

[@Redtecho]

I'd rather have the 9th castigator... And it wasn't even that good.

[@Mythantor]

Ausepx just seems determined to be positive and refuses to say that sisters will get rolled by tanks/high toughness armies.

[@nofacetobi726]

Cadia still stands?

[@inamoratog]

I give good odds that Dominions getting Rapid Fire 2 on their normal bolters is an error and they're going to lose the extra shot, but until that happens I'm going to squad them up with a Palatine and surprise some poor sod's infantry with 31 bolter shots with Lethal Hits.

[@BrokenKrayon]

Almost all comments I've read on pretty much any faction video, everyone is all, "oh no, my faction will get blah and then blah blah, why GW waaaaaahhh" like, we play with toys and roll dice, just have fun with the toys and dice. Maybe I'm a minority on that but realistically GW is a mini selling company and not a game making one so everything will come in waves, play something you like, learn it and enjoy it 😊

[@Indoor_Carrot]

People spend a lot of money on these models specifically to fit the rules for their own playstyle and GW routinely changes the rules which forces people to remove models or buy new ones to fit the new system. For example mechanicus had a special weapon removed from squads and now squads can only have one of each special weapon. That means my squads with multiple plasmas / arc rifles cannot be used in the game and will be forced to have less models. So my faction was neutere... unless I go out and buy more boxes to make the army legal in game. Do you see the problem now?

[@northerner3861]

Tankhammer Edition is not going to be too kind to these ladies. Just played a game with my Ork army today... and, uh... damned glad I'm rocking a T5 army that can run squads twenty bodies deep.

[@smugfilms9117]

first

[@richmcgee434]

Junith becoming infantry means no shooting those flamers in melee. Pity, it would have been a decent melee boost for her unit.

[@nealdixon-jones5851]

Wait, this isn’t the Space Wolves Review! 🔎

[@richmcgee434]

49:40 Hospitaller healing might also let you save some MD when using Divine Intervention. Bring them back with 1W and let the medic patch the rest. Won't be able to do it all the time thanks to positioning but it's worth thinking about. 5+ FNP is still a 1/9 chance to ignore D2 hits, so about an 11% durability buff. Don't think I'd call that irrelevant on such a cheap character.

[@bensemusx]

It’s kinda irrelevant when she takes up a leader slot. If you could double up leaders in more than just battle sisters she’d be better.

[@poetrollem326]

The hospitaller has the double leader rule and she fits in sacresants just fine. 4 up invuln 5 up fnp plus in my case junith and they tanked the world

[@oishiicuisine1901]

you also can put her in a squad with a canoness who got the ophelia cloak which reduce at 1 all damages so the canoness tank for the squad with a solid 4+ 5++ or once a game 2+invul then you can heal her 3 point of life the next turn. I think it worth it :) it drove crazy my foe last game ^^'

[@poetrollem326]

@@oishiicuisine1901 the leader keyword says you have to put the wounds on the bodyguard unit before the character, sadly. So that is not legal.

[@SneakyBeeBuzzBuzz]

@@poetrollem326 Yeah it makes that enhancement so much less attractive sadly

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I know SoB were an obnoxious as shit army by the end of 9th but this new iteration is kinda rough.

[@franpschorr3646]

I’m taking a 5 girl squad of retributors, 3 arco flagellants, and two squads of two crusaders in a single rhino. I know sisters aren’t looking super hot but that’s got to be such an annoying combo it’s gotta be good right?

[@richmcgee434]

Immolator cost is fine, you're paying for a really solid strike from ~21-24" away depending on how much you need any melta bonuses you might have. You're underestimating the impact of dumping a half-squad of Dominions with all the special weapons up close and granting them all the same wound re-rolls its turret has innately. Your own top gun should probably be tailored to hit the same target type, although the hull heavy bolter and free HK missile could let you switch-hit if you wanted, maybe using MD to unsure a hit to trigger the squad boost. Probably only doing it once but you've got a half-squad somewhere else objective camping or playing the mission, and squashing both the dominions and the immolator might be enough of an ask that one element or the other gets off another turn of fire.

[@jonmarshburn7879]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like you could put Blade of Saint Ellynor on Morvenn Vahl?

[@matttabor4538]

nope - it is stated that enchancements cannot be given to epic heroes.

[@jordanryan4817]

Epic Heros can not be given enhancements

[@dominicpizano887]

I beg you Auspex… GSC… please…

[@shakyrob6512]

Can someone please explain a 7+ armor save on a six sided dice in a game that no longer has the modifiers it used to. 🤔

[@sirenoidx]

they're not intended for armor saves, they have invuln saves instead

[@yeturs69420]

Cover adds +1, in case they do need it. Its the same thing it's meant for several editions.

[@mintw4241]

7+ armour save means “no armor save unless youre in cover”

[@marlitt3492]

Has Auspex just forgotten to do Space Wolve I've been waiting for a while, and it seems like he has done every other chapter a long time ago. It just seems strange, so I assume he forgot to do it.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

He mentioned in a community post that he'll get round to them in some at some point. There was a vote on the order to do the divergent chapters, and Space Wolves were last. Not sure when, but it will be coming. There are a lot of factions to work through.

[@auspextactics]

They'll all be done in time, there's around 12 or so indexes left to do and afraid there are only so many hours I have in a day!

[@marlitt3492]

Ah thank you, that's good to know, thanks for taking the time to reply!

[@davehudson4144]

If I don’t see drukhari soon, I’m gonna unsubscribe

[@JamesSerapio]

We have the worst detachment rule. Power From Pain is m'eh. 😭 And I hope you don't love Wyches...

[@davehudson4144]

@@JamesSerapio I’m not looking for someone to say we are great. I’m looking to see we are included on time as an equal faction. In the past, this channel has been kind to drukhari. I couldn’t be more disappointed though, recently.

[@silentascari2180]

Calm down dude, he got it in his queue. He’s been popping off with content he’ll review it when they stop constantly releasing stuff.

[@JamesSerapio]

@@davehudson4144 yeah, GW keeps trying to force us to play one of each of the troops choices, and this is to get a sub-par ability. It looks like you can do some pain token shenanigans with Cronos, but really other factions get rerolls without fiddly rules.

[@sklingenberg86]

Do it you won't do it

[@biteme9593]

lone operatives should be targetable if they are on an objective. even in battle it is hard to miss a guy standing on the location you are ordered to capture...

[@JeremyMarcum1]

I would imagine the Russians ordered to kill Simo Häyhä (i.e.: the objective was to kill that one guy in a known area) might have a word with you on the simplicity of killing a single known target.