Admiral Janeways Tells Captain Janeway About the Future

[@alonzotanner1226]

I’ve always loved Janeway’s relationship with Tuvok. They did a great job displaying how their friendship is beyond family. One of the best displays of friendships in Trek imo.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@Neil Rosenau Not Picard but Next Gen Picard. Picard and Data are friends but also in a father/son relationship. This dynamic makes it so great.

[@Augoeides32]

@Neil Rosenau Well, your opinion is noted, but I feel like your understand the dynamic between those two. Data is an android, so I feel like you miss the importance of those scenes, because Data is visibly emotionless (although the acting is by no means downplayed), so the dialog and situations between them are drawn to the forefront. Janeway respects Tuvok, because he is essentially her Starfleet appointed voice of pure reasoning; she goes to him when she's emotionally weak. However, Data and Picard hold an unparalelled amount of respect and admiration for one another. Even when Data seemingly disobeys orders and angers Picard, you can tell he knows Data has good intentions. But at the end of the day, it's all opinion. I like Generations more, but Voyagers was by no means a bad series.

[@rickyplaysbyear7663]

"I already have a man." - Janeway

[@Desencadenar]

Janeways's loyalty to her people is epic. Among her many virtues, that's her greatest. She'll face any odds, for them. She'll achieve her most amazing victories, to save them. Only rivaled, by how she risks it all to help others. And we see how that inspires the crew. They've all gone above and beyond, at some point. And Tuvok is her longest relationship in the show. Unlike with the others, it's already old when the show begins. Their trust is unbreakable. Seven is her newest relationship, but it's special. Freedom and identity are an essential of life, a matter Trek takes very seriouslt. And Janeway put a piece of her very soul, into helping Seven become a full person. It's pretty much like losing a daughter, what old Janeway went through with her. That changes you. Forever. The complex and difficult balance between Janeway's loyalty to her people, and her deep faith in the Starfleet ideals... Coupled with the many difficult choices she has to make... Are one of the main forces behind the show. Making it so good.

[@TheFlyingMantis]

I love Kate’s performance in these episodes so much. She manages to perfect two entirely different Janeways in such a perfectly contrasting way.

[@theblackwidower]

Kinda continued that performance in Prodigy. Hologram Janeway and Admiral Janeway.

[@wdd3141]

Having a conversation with herself, and making it believable! I respect Kate Mulgrew.

[@dkfavs]

Great series finale. There's the right way, there's the wrong way, and there's the Janeway.

[@joshuajanow8033]

Hell Yeah!!!!!!

[@michaelrunk8593]

Its reason why she was promoted to admiral when she got back. With out star fleet she upheld the principles of of the fedration and proved why federation works.

[@dongadson1099]

I love your comment!!

[@FantasticOtto]

Michael Runk The same principles she upheld when she murdered Tuvix?

[@daverage4729]

Hah!! Brilliant! :)

[@taergehtsiram]

I LOVED this episode and I think Kate did a magnificent job of playing both parts so seamlessly. She even added a slight lilt in her older self's voice, that reflected the aged Captain Janeway. Very subtle. Wonderful acting.

[@BlackBunik]

She is amazing alright. After finishing TNG remastered, then DS9, I am looking forward to this.

[@JH-su9vl]

They wont remaster ds9 or voy. They have already said it would be too expensive to do.

[@ladamyre1]

Agreed. Kate Mulgrew was not only a good actress, she *was* Captain Janeway. Throughout the whole series her presence was as a commander. Like Shatner is Kirk, and that kid that Jar Jar Abrams cast as Kirk failed miserably trying to be Kirk, there will never be another Janeway. I find myself crying when she breaks up telling her lover in "Workforce, Pt2", that she "won't need souvenirs to remember you.", but then completely understand and admire the responsibility she holds sacrosanct as Captain when answering Chacotay's question, "Are you sorry I showed up?" with, "Not for a second." Only Kate Mulgrew could have pulled that one off. I don't think Genevieve Bujold could have.

[@BlueBoy0]

DS9 and Voyager aren't going to be remastered, unfortunately. Remasters like TOS and TNG got were only possible during that brief window when people were still buying DVD box sets.

[@jonnywyattgreengreen3301]

It's Janeway at her best .The older Janeway is just so prefect ...It's one of my favourites .wonderfully ending to Voyage 😎🖖

[@RimWulf]

Admiral Janeway's voice though when she did "people who 'love' you" the pain of her past was apparent.

[@IdoMuffin]

Acting!

[@coolkiwiinoz]

Also the fleeting change of expression in Seven at those words as she realised Janeway was talking about her own feelings for Seven as Janeway said “people who ‘love’ you.” Wonderful acting.

[@tessajalloh3914]

Kate was always fantastic at adding the nuance into how janeway spoke so that without having to outright state things, the audience got to empathise. She was definitely the right choice to play Captain 'infinite torpedos' Janeway. The woman who was originally cast had a strong accent, and also played her as cold and authorative, a combo that would have made her absolutely terrible to watch in the chair for seven years.

[@blablabla9401]

@@coolkiwiinoz I never realized it before...was Janeway "in love" with Seven or...is this meant as...love between family. Frankly, they way they talk and have emphsize on Seven....and oh yes...twenty something or other members die too. And ...ah...there was also Tuvok. As if there was much more weight to Seven than all the other crew mates...that should all be family by now.

[@kurtsnyder4752]

@@tessajalloh3914 Genevive Bujold was the "original" Janeway. For the fun of it, as Ms Mulgrew looks and sounds reminicent of another Kate, Hepburn, I was imagining tv set earlier in time as the 1950s and the DuMont network was presenting a new program: Star Trek Voyager starring Kathryn Hepburn as Captain Janeway; Tab Hunter as Tom Paris; Yul Brynner as EMH ;Sidney Portier as Tuvok;Anne Francis as Kes; Norma Jean Baker as 7of 9; Mickey Rooney as Nelix; etc.

[@theblackwidower]

I'm sure she was bothered by every crewmen she lost, but the fact that Admiral Janeway starts her speech by saying 'Seven of Nine is going to die,' means that was the one that hit her most. And given their relationship, it's almost like she was Janeway's daughter.

[@SungazerDNB]

Fun fact. Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew did not get along at all.

[@theblackwidower]

@@SungazerDNB Yep. Makes their performance somewhat ironic.

[@JohnS-il1dr]

​@@SungazerDNBthey made up later and acknowledged each others performances. The actor who played Ensign Kim cried live on a talkshow about the feud and Jeri Ryan had to comfort him.

[@theblackwidower]

@andymurgas4734 Ye. Though it would've been more apropos if it was the Voyager-G.

[@SR-iy4gg]

It wasn't a talkshow. It was at a convention. I watched the video of that here on youtube.@@JohnS-il1dr

[@rowlandbuck2703]

“Because I remember how stubborn and self righteous i used to be, I figured you might do something stupid.” Love this line because the older you get, this is exactly how you start to think.

[@scottmatheson3346]

Ironic, since that very attitude is a product of the myopic self-righteousness it seeks to criticize. Only a self-righteous person accuses others of self-righteousness, and only a fool thinks himself less foolish than others.

[@Nepthu]

​@@scottmatheson3346 Admiral Janeway wasn't basing her opinion on generalizations or pithy maxims like you are. She knows herself better than anyone. Her advice came from practicality and self awareness.

[@lifeonleo1074]

@@scottmatheson3346 I disagree, it's not self righteous to realize that your younger self was foolish in a good many ways.

[@OhManTFE]

@@scottmatheson3346 Sophistry is all that is. Some people are more foolish than others. That's just a fact. Admitting that fact doesn't make you a fool. Not admitting it does.

[@Serpardum]

When I was 20 I knew everything. When I was 30 I realized I didn't know anything.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

"Even if you altered Voyager's route, limit your contact with alien species, you're going to lose people." You can tell that was exactly what Captain Janeway was thinking as a way to change the future, but the way Admiral Janeway tells her that line means she already tried that, meaning at some point in the 16 years to come she will break and become determined to not lose anyone else. No more random diversions to interact with other races, fewer stops to investigate special anomalies or planets, and yet she will still have 22 crew members die and based on her statement, some of them even after she tries to be cautious. Really adds to the weight of the Admiral's guilt and her determination to change history.

[@kobra6660]

How many people in total did voyager lose as casualties it seems like they have a never ending supply of people for a small ship

[@attiepollard7847]

@@kobra6660 I think it's 20

[@davecrupel2817]

"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it." -Master Oogway

[@theblackwidower]

Which begs the question. Why didn't she go back in time further? Like the day they arrived in the Delta quadrant.

[@becciKeks]

@@theblackwidower Well, they had Kass and Neelix then and also they didn't have Seven or the Borg children. B'Lana and Tom wouldn't have gotten married and pregnant, Seven and Chakotay wouldn't have started dating etc. Also this is the time where there was a real chance of getting them home, possibly the only real chance. So she had to take it here.

[@charmans133]

Another OUTSTANDING performance by Kate !! I REALLY REALLY miss this show it was so great!!

[@swishfish8858]

Kate's a great actress. Janeway's a bad character.

[@kevinbyrne7400]

Come and live in Australia it's on every day. The other day 4 episodes where on TV . I couldn't get any work done..It's naughty but nice..

[@Rendclaw]

These episodes are where Janeway proved herself to be just as much of a maverick as Kirk ever was.

[@shaunhumphreys6714]

janeway was not like kirk. do you know how many security officers kirk got killed? i like kirk-he was very cunning. he was a good fighter. and i would prefer to have kirk commanding the enterprise in a battle situation than picard,-let's presume kirk has the same enterprise technology at his disposal and experience with it as picard in this imagined scenario.. i dont think janeway was a maverick at all. she was just as procedural and careful as picard.picard was extremely cautious in protecting the crew of the enterprise, despite having the same open exploration task as the original series enterprise. captain sisko was the most important and best captain for me. and janeway is close behind sisko as second best captain.

[@kurtsnyder4752]

@@shaunhumphreys6714 Somewhere on these youtube vids there is an analysis of the stats and the blues were at the most risk, followed by the golds and THEN the redshirts.

[@Whatatwist2009]

I would say she was at least by the second half of the show was more of a mix of Sisko and Picard in her actions.

[@Whatatwist2009]

@@shaunhumphreys6714 I agree Sisko was amazing. Kirk would have ended up dead in the same command and Picard would have been more cautious and less likely to do anything like what went down in In the Pale Moonlight which without those actions the dominion war is likely lost. Janeway and maybe Archer are the only two I can think of who would have maybe gone the same route as sisko in a similar situation.

[@StumpfForFreedom]

Janeway had a fair bit of Kirk in her.

[@dac314]

I love how loyal and dedicated all the crew are to their captain. This is the kind of dream-team, ride-or-die sorta people I'd want to be trapped in another Quadrant with.

[@Paknicolaandywhittydale]

Here here❤

[@Entertainment-is6ex]

@@Paknicolaandywhittydalehear hear

[@charlesdavis545]

It's what Harry said "If we do this, so the journey takes a little longer; I can't think of anywhere I'd rather be, or any people I'd like to be with. Sometimes it's not the destination, it's the journey."

[@mspeter97]

"seven of nine is going to die" that's quite a wake up call here

[@CeltycSparrow]

And I think that's PRECISELY why she said it. She said Janeway would lose others too, but notice she struck her younger self EXACTLY where she knew it would hurt most and make young Janeway take her proposal seriously. Janeway wasn't willing to even CONSIDER her proposal to get Voyager home now....not UNTIL she played her hand and said that Seven (who Janeway considers to be her daughter) was going to die and Tuvok and Chakotay (the men on the crew she loves and respects the most) will be lost if she continues the journey she's on now. She knew her younger self couldn't bear the thought of losing those who were closest to her and that's why Janeway got her crew home.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

She should have just said that in her future Harry is a captain, that would have got her onboard in heartbeat. "Harry gets a promotion? Not on my watch!"

[@wellesradio]

Hearing this actually made Kate Mulgrew even more excited, but then older Mulgrew said, “It’s the end of the series.” So she responded: 1:38

[@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow]

Maybe I'm just a cynical, old prick, too, but Admiral Janeway seems a lot less pig-headed and a lot more practical than Captain Janeway. Maybe you want to save everybody along the way, but when you come back 20 years into the past with those 20 years of hindsight telling you it will be a disaster, you should probably listen, not just wave it off out of pride and ethics.

[@sharkythesharkdogg9732]

Funny how Seven of Nine's potential death is what started to sway the captain when the two actresses' actual relationship was so strained.

[@CharlesUrban]

Somewhere/somewhen in the space-time continuum, that Daniels guy and the captain of the Relativity are drinking heavily.

[@AnneloesF]

ahahahahahaha true

[@jeffsdomaingaming1639]

After how Archer treated him, Daniels probably doesn't care lol

[@awsomewe360]

After seeing the finale of Voyager, you kind of start to understand why Captain Braxton was so intent on destroying Voyager!

[@acoote1701]

Both Probably facepalming at the amount of Temporal Alarms going off during this episode

[@Hyperion5182]

If not for the development of the plotline in Star Trek Online i would agree. I believe that they did a temporal analysis of the outcomes of this event and decided the downside of interference greatly outweighed the benefits. The borg are dealt a gigantic setback, voyager gets home in time not only to save crew but to give Starfleet vital information that will be used in the game itself. Remember they dont fix every incursion. Only the ones that alter history too far.

[@anthonypetrozzelli5429]

I loved Janeway. She was strong, beautiful, compassionate, non nonsense, truly grace under fire. She exuded loyality and integrity. She was the perfect captain for Voyager. 😃

[@spartybrearly7221]

She had lots of redeeming qualities but she wasn’t a risk taker. Voyager’s situation required a commanding officer prepared to ignore Federation and Starfleet ethics when opportunities to get home presented themselves. Janeway seemed too focused on being a Starfleet officer following Starfleet protocols.

[@SovereignStatesman]

"OOOH, my name is Anthony Petrolumjelly and I have no nose up the ass of a smirking Mary sue!"

[@L1z43vr]

@@SovereignStatesman A Mary Sue has no mistakes. Janeway had mistakes. A LOT of them. Prone to obsession as we see in Equinox, inexperienced as Voyager’s her first command and she barely knew the lower decks, and this video right here’s pretty much showcasing her disregarding the Temporal Prime Directive.

[@Aramanth]

I love how Admiral Janeway baits her past self: _"You're forgetting the Temporal Prime Directive, Captain."_ *_"The Hell with it."_* 🧂 Pass the salt!

[@theblackwidower]

I think that was also past-Janeway's line from Shattered.

[@bob494949]

Great job by Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan showing how much their characters meant to each other. Considering the actresses didn’t get along well, it’s just fantastic acting.

[@CoolsBreeze]

I love this episode because it shows the captain taking care of her crew one last time and getting them home. Brilliant acting by Kate.

[@TheOfficialTLM]

"people who LOVE you".. man that hurt me so good. Great acting!

[@BSE1320]

"He'll never be the same. And neither will you."

[@Mademoiselle_Katie]

22 years ago the best episode in Star Trek aired. Happy anniversary, Endgame.

[@loisjeanwilliams]

Admiral Janeway looks fabulous with that silver hair!!

[@leongps]

My favorite character of all time: Captain Catherine Janeway. I remember I wrote an essay about her in my high school. Ten years later, she's still my hero!

[@jonathanwhitaker6877]

It's Kathryn Janeway

[@1.21Jigawatts]

That's pretty cool. Me too, man.

[@amc6508]

I love her!!!

[@Aku9466]

It is moments like this that make me wonder how anyone could think that voyager is not a good Star Trek series. It had its moments, no argument. But so many beautiful golden examples of delightful acting and fantastic story writing with good character development. Plot lines that were dropped and character possibilities that went unexplored. But still an absolute gem of a Star Trek series.

[@swolfe9668]

Voyager was the BEST of star trek

[@samcochran8203]

​​@@swolfe9668I wish I could say that, but the newt episode exists

[@jeffreyweitzman6463]

@@samcochran8203 Agreed Voyager had its weaker episodes just like ST: Next Gen. and even Deep Space Nine but, all of them had far more great ones than weak ones in their totality and would still beat the new style of Star Trek hands down.

[@samcochran8203]

@@jeffreyweitzman6463 Oh, no argument there, I would watch voyager for the rest of my life rather than watch any of discovery for one more second, I watched one season of that drivel, and dropped it like it was a bad date

[@aviduke]

When voyager first came out I didn't get into it. Watching it later I think the story a d acting were superb. st: discovery was junk but in defence of modern Star Trek, Picard 3rd season was a great nostalgic ride off into the sunset

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Tuvok and 7of9 were both very noble when you look at it . They are willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

[@virtualatheist]

The greater goooood.

[@GRIMEYtheFATMAN]

@@virtualatheist Stop that!

[@josephmassaro]

I like old lady Janeway. She puts herself in her place.

[@partyguy101ify]

I love how Tuvok quoted Ambassador Spock, and the sentiment is true. The needs of the many do, in fact, outweigh the needs of the few no matter what time and space you occupy.

[@steeltrap3800]

If you have a purely collectivist philosophy, sure. Things are never as childishly simple, however, as such lines would suggest they are.

[@No0o0o0o0o0]

@@steeltrap3800 Except in reality they often are.

[@jaredpatterson1701]

It's relative

[@johannalange802]

It is THE human dilemma. I myself think it is enough that every single person has the same right to postulate their needs and be considered as equal in general. It is purely due to good or bad luck to be in the right or wrong place or time after that. Nobody asks you into which family you want to be born and how you will look like or be gifted. This is fates' dice. And within this frame it is a very easy decision for me: of course the need of many surpasses the need of few. You can count heads.

[@cmdaes]

This was the human approach to life for 300,000 years. Then social elites and more recently individualism changed it for the worst. When community survival is at stake, any unselfish person would sacrifice him/herself so their people could go on. Good parents do that. I did that many times.

[@aperson22222]

They talk about how destroying the Borg would save “millions.” But that’s ridiculously low-balling it. One thousandth of the population of one developed planet.

[@girlgarde]

Yeah, more like tens of billions at least, probably more.

[@Kossimer]

That's why Piccard's decision with Hue always left me with a bad impression. Such an easy decision when it's not HIS planet next in line for armageddon, when we all know if Earth was facinng imminent assimilation then Starfleet would destroy the Borg civilization in an instant if they could. The decision to delay the Borg's destruction for even this long doomed billions of people, hundreds of worlds, with all of the rich cultural history that the galaxy would not be the same without, as comes to mind when we think of the Klingons or Bajorans.

[@girlgarde]

@@Kossimer The program Picard's people made to take out the Borg would've only taken out the Borg ship Hue was rescued by as the Queen would've cut off the ship from the rest of the Collective to protect it but I get what you mean, it would've done some damage to the Borg at least.

[@Samuraith2077]

@@girlgarde I don't think that it would've been caught that soon. Yes it might very have been later, but not before a good portion of the collective was in tatters.

[@girlgarde]

@@Samuraith2077 I make a habit of not underestimating the Borg Queen but if even only one or a few Borg ships were affected, it would've been worth it.

[@amc6508]

Absolutely great show! I loved Voyager, the ship and Captain Janeway! This is what Star Trek is all about!

[@crylittlesister6377]

1:36 "You're forgetting the Temporal Prime Directive" 'Tells Janeway about Seven's death just before'

[@jur22gen]

CryLittleSister she is taunting younger/present day Janeway a bit, seeing if she will still resist future Janeway’s plan.

[@Jarsia]

right?

[@kurtsnyder4752]

CryLittleSister The Hell with the temporal prime directive.

[@tornadogirl9099]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[@anunc8797]

Right, because Admiral Janeway thinks the temporal prime directive is trash; she only cares about the Voyager family... And after spending 7 years with them, I'm tempted to agree...

[@humanrightsadvocate]

When my future self talks to me, I shut up and do as I'm told.

[@gaznev2111]

We all have the had the opportunity. Listen to your dreams ;)

[@electroluxia]

There should have been a Janeway / 7 of 9 spin-off. Two exemplary characters. Two exemplary actors. They both worked so well together on screen. Pure gold.

[@carlataylor9924]

I want the janeway and seven storyline after voyager to be explored so bad....J/7 is so good! Why can't this be a thing! 😭 I loved their relationship dynamics and their chemistry, it holds potential to be even more!

[@domgadson711]

"The hell with it". Gosh I love Katie Mulgrew.

[@rayloc420]

People forget just how much Admiral Janeway has gone through at this point. Waaay more than this Capt.

[@gagabyte5808]

Captain Janeway: Husband?! Admiral Janeway: Chakotay. Captain Janeway: aw hell no

[@ResidentScrub]

Janeway would’ve probably ended the entire Delta Quadrant to keep Seven alive

[@joemasters2270]

Sadly, Admiral Janeway broke the timeline so badly that now for reasons unbeknownst to science, she's a Russian woman in prison XD XD XD

[@kurtsnyder4752]

Joe Masters Also bumped the timestream as she's a 1970s/80s wife of a LAPD homicide detective who likes to moonlight her own mystery sleuthing.

[@PhillipLemmon]

LMFAO great dude!

[@tek512]

@@kurtsnyder4752 And somehow turned Seven of Nine into a lesbian while she was at it.

[@tr3vk4m]

Kate is one fantastic actor!

[@jdbarr769]

@@tek512 I hate This Present Time Line!

[@almostfm]

Couple of things I noticed watching this again: 1) Adm. Janeway's voice is pitched slightly lower than Capt. Janeway's. It's common for your voice to lower slightly as you get older. 2) If you look at 0:22, the Admiral is an inch or two shorter. That also tends to happen as you get older.

[@najhongflanax3674]

It took two janeways to bring voyager home..

[@VGJunky]

1 Janeway did it, 2 did it faster

[@akiro9635]

Time Travel rule 1 advoid janeway opps theres two now what

[@procta2343]

I wonder if the Admiral did this to get one on the borg too, like the borg tried in 1st contact, and to sort of correct a few things. If i was in her shoes and i had this option to bring back my crew home early and practically all of them, and deal a proper blow to the borg at the same time. I would do same thing.

[@jonathanpardoe8722]

This single episode is testament to why Voyager should be re activated with as many of her crew as possible

[@rkmugen]

Janeway at her absolute finest....... but then again, I've never seen her at her worst. Well............... at least if I don't count that time she got turned into a giant salamander-type thing and had kids with Tom Paris.

[@Bolt6604]

I would like to consider her worst was Equinox episode. Acting wise she was fantastic, throwing away her ideals though to capture the people that threw away theirs. Was my favorite episode. Fantastic.

[@MrTheSlimJim]

Star Trek rule #1: Never talk about Threshold :D

[@dhinton1]

@@Bolt6604 that probably would be her worst. even worst that the salamander mating with Thomas. ewwww ....

[@erojerisiz1571]

>talks about Threshold HOLD IT RIGHT THERE

[@MTNMN]

Hey, we all do weird things when we’re REVERTED INTO PREVIOUS GENERATIONS OF OUR EVOLUTIONARY TIMELINE.... what?

[@Jgriffin0808081]

When she says seven will die, and it stopped her dead in her tracks, that "what?" she said, i felt that

[@UTshaman]

I’m so grateful to you.i no longer have my dvds to watch, so your fragments are all the more precious. Thank you!

[@WarGrowlmon18]

It's on Amazon Prime/Paramount Plus.

[@NoBudjetFilms]

Janeway is a badass. Of all the main show captains she is the one I would be most scared to face off against.

[@jaymorpheus11]

NoBudjetFilms Hope shes on the Picard show... complete with a tongue lashing scene with Picard schooling him on borg encounters.

[@jeffsdomaingaming1639]

Her and Sisko lol

[@nicolasg7601]

jaymorpheus11 Seven and then Picard are probably the foremost authorities on the Borg by far. They’ve been part of the collective and had access to all their information. Picard is probably repressing much of it though.

[@kurtsnyder4752]

@@nicolasg7601 Might include Tuvok. Torres and Janeway as they went UNDERCOVER in the Collective. Bet that when Picard found out about that he broke out in a cold sweat of dread thinking that someone who even THOUGHT about that would have to be nuts, much less to actually SUCCESSFULLY do that.

[@1.21Jigawatts]

I dunno, man. Sisko's a crazy man that would poison my planet......

[@matthewsutton5946]

I really hope Admiral Janeway makes an appearance in Picard, it would be great to see her playing the role again, and with 7 of 9 on the show it actually makes sense for Janeway and othe voyager crew to make cameos at the very least

[@jeffsdomaingaming1639]

Harry should definitely show up. As captain Kim of the Rhode Island. He's a captain in star trek online And it definitely is canon since they do a tie in to the kobali, the original harry that died in that episode and Sestak's son

[@oldtwinsna8347]

@@jeffsdomaingaming1639 He's was still an ensign until he resigned in protest being the longest serving ensign in starfleet history. Has a bar now, "Ensigns aboard" - only for ensigns and enlisted personnel allowed in.

[@hamma2006]

Well, no Janeway (except a mention) but you did get Tuvok ;-)

[@lumberluc]

The good admiral is doing everything to save everyone... including those closest to her.

[@speedraser2605]

Our mission has always been one of peace. Long live Queen Janway.

[@RedCrusaderArc]

I loved the finale. You really see the love for her crew in the older Janeway.

[@matthewjones2095]

@Neil Rosenau in other words i don't like change

[@charlesdavis545]

"Id forgotten how they loved being together, and how loyal they were to you."

[@HelloKindWorld]

"I've known you for a long time ,Seven. Well, 3 years longer than the Captain. You know what, forget it."

[@yorkgrasser]

People hate Voyager, I don't care, to me this is the meaning of Trek

[@shaftoe195]

Same.

[@maggs131]

Who hates Voyager? Point to them 😠

[@madcapmagician3130]

no-one hated Voyager once Discovery came along.

[@andrewguest6941]

Voyager my favourite I was a staunch TNG fan and when voyager was first aired I didn't like it iv never seen ds9 or enterprise,discovery and not keen on the noisy rebooted trek films liked the original films only, voyager I can relate to it seems fresh even now.especially in these difficult times

[@eoghanlacey6384]

@@andrewguest6941 I hadn’t seen ds9 till a few months ago , I thought it was bad but watched it and free season 4 it’s great and I love tng but man voyager is my favourite

[@Soliy87]

"To quote ambassador spock" :'(

[@tomf3150]

To quote Captain Kirk ...

[@imissmycerealasmr1681]

Tom F “oh my”

[@jamesspring4610]

To quote James T. Kirk: " The needs of the one outweighed the needs of the many. "

[@Blaine10024]

When the music plays and Admiral Janeway says "get all of them home safe and sound, today." So powerful.

[@smileitsjustagame2937]

This was the most badass series and the defeat of the Borg is the most epic win go Janeway

[@nismobeach]

smile it's just a game You must have never seen DS9.

[@bartoszmarzec1922]

1:10 - If Janeway didn't listen, Star Trek Picard would have needed to make different turns...

[@jwb52z9]

This will go down in history as one of the last few moments where Star Trek was still a reality and not a corruption for "new viewers".

[@scottmatheson3346]

Heh. Remember when the deplorables thought it was voyager, and janeway, that represented the corruption of star trek? Pepperidge Farm remembers. You'll move on to new trek to hate in due time, you won't even remember what you were hating in 2019.

[@hankkingsley2976]

@@scottmatheson3346 I don't know you but I hate you

[@bninem1397]

I'd just like to point out during and after Voyager, fans said the same thing about it destroying Gene's creation

[@No0o0o0o0o0]

But Seven is a lesbian mercenary in the new Picard show so this was all worth it. /s Janeway should've let her die.

[@eoghanlacey6384]

@@scottmatheson3346 true lol in 20 years they will all love discovery

[@Taylor_Wolfe115]

“She is the most decorated officer in all of Starfleet” I remember Reg said that about her

[@andromeda5414]

Janeway is awesome. So fitting.

[@Taylor_Wolfe115]

@@andromeda5414 she was my favorite captain, my brother and I would always watch ST:V after school, I started watching all the series starting with TOS, haven't seen DS9 yet ;-;

[@andromeda5414]

@@Taylor_Wolfe115 Awesome. She's my favorite Captain. Kate Mulgrew did a superb job portraying her. DS9 is truly excellent stuff. Your in for a ride.

[@Taylor_Wolfe115]

@@andromeda5414 I'll definitely watch it tonight, but on a sidenote my favorite episode in all ST universe is Yesterdays enterprise

[@andromeda5414]

@@Taylor_Wolfe115 That's a great episode. My favorite is probably Year of Hell.

[@AnthonyP73]

I couldn't call the Voyager finale epic, but it still packs an emotional wallop to this day.

[@gabrielvazquez7147]

I think Jakotay wasn't the only one left traumatized. Clearly, Janeway was never the same after all those deaths either, which of course she blames herself for.

[@anunc8797]

I suppose that is the beauty of Janeway... Love is more important than the prime directive.

[@lordrandolf1]

Janeway was my favorite captain!

[@jeremybarnes408]

I always imagined what i would say to my past self. This scene sums it up. I know what I dont want to hear and what I would say to get me to do what we need to do. Lots of strength here. And this show was carried on it with all of these actors.

[@chrishubbard64]

I love how mind selfish and obsessed she was without even seeming to realize or care. "Omg, you would rather save billions of lives than save me grief? YOU SELFISH BRAT!"

[@danwellington3571]

"You chose to put the lives of strangers ahead of the lives of your crew" buddy the punch I would throw

[@jeanlukvolker6647]

Old you to young you " I can't believe I was ever This stupid" 😂😂😂

[@paulapsley3712]

Totally still gives me the chills.

[@Jumpyowl]

7 Years! That's how fast they got home! Thanks to all the short cuts!

[@PaulGaither]

Tim Russ (Tuvock) is in Dragon Age: Origins as the leader of the wood elves. He does that stoic Vulcan/Elf personality and delivery so well.

[@Dancestar1981]

Paul Gaither Kate was Flemeth in Dragon Age

[@Sarkkoth]

@@Dancestar1981 It's funny because I actually played Dragon Age first. I was quite surprised to hear that voice again when I started watching voyager for the first time. Also I didn't realize the Tuvok one but it's been so long since I played a wood elf in that game.

[@Dancestar1981]

Sarkkoth I played dragon age first too but also didn’t make the connection. But then I didn’t watch Voyager until only last year and played dragon age in 2009

[@mycrowsoffed]

Great finale; loved Janeway v Janeway and then loved Janeway Squared (to the Power of Two)

[@SolitaryBro]

Best Star Trek ever!

[@Miljan17]

,,People who LOVE You'' - her voice shaking sends shockwaves down my cerebral cortex every time

[@odysseusrex5908]

It's interesting that in every Star Trek series, the time travel episodes are among the best.

[@kevinemmers9424]

To that, I might just raise an eyebrow and say "Fascinating!"

[@philosopher1a]

7 of 9 best original character!!! perfect actress for the role...

[@ZackExplorer28]

Tuvok forgot something while quoting Spock. "or the one."

[@nathonalexavier1505]

Zack Wolf-Fox it wasn’t Spock who originally said that. It was Kirk

[@captainnerd6452]

The thing is we all mentally filled that in during the pause...

[@PassiveDestroyer]

Janeway was supposed to play Kirk in that response. Tuvok was expecting it, but it never came.

[@stevengalloway8052]

It was Tuvok's debilitating disease as to why he had forgotten... 😏

[@williamkeogh710]

That was so the fans sitting at home could finish Ambassador Spock's quote.... just as I finished it just a few moments ago.... and as I did the first time I saw this episode, so long ago when it first aired....

[@Sliferzero]

One of the Best TV Series with the Name Star Trek my friends. Thanks.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

Everyone and his dog can travel time from Kirk to Spock and McCoy to Tasha to Alexander to Kira to Sisko to Janeway. It is a miracle the timeline holds (if it did not, would we know?).

[@ViewTube_Dan]

What I loved about the show is that bit by bit they became more than a crew... they became family... and you do anything to not lose the family you love.

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj178]

"I have work to complete." So do I, but I keep wasting time looking at these clips!

[@MetalHeadRed954]

This will always be my favorite episode!

[@7JANEWAY]

THIS IS WHY CAPTAIN JANEWAY IS MY HERO, AND WHY I NAMED MY CHANNEL AFTER HER. LONG LIVE JANEWAY!!!

[@saveourplanet0139]

"Seven of Nine is going to die!" That got her attention! Janeway's crew are like her family.

[@izzyci]

it's said the Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan did not get along because Mulgrew thought 7 of 9 was too sexual.

[@djalanraven]

Best trek episode ever!

[@matthewjones2095]

I just how some people well swallow crap as long as the star is a woman

[@Desencadenar]

Awesome series, epic and beautifully crafted ending. The loyalty in that crew, is what makes them so mighty. You can see each of them willing to give it all, for the others. I remember Kim and Chakotay from the future, challenging EVERYTHING for that one tiny chance to save their family. Janeway's voice cracks as she dismisses the Temporal Prime Directive, 'cos we know she'd face ANYTHING for Tuvok and the others. It almost makes them stray too far from their moral codes as Federation officers, but they balance it out in the end. That frequent dichotomy is full of narrative gems. SPOILERS: I hated what they did to Icheb in the Picard series. Not only because he was a wonderful addition to the story. But also because I cannot believe for ONE second, only Seven would be there to rescue him. Janeway, the doctor... They'd all join her.

[@charlesdavis545]

"The Hell with it!"

[@Desencadenar]

@@charlesdavis545 Hell yeah. I feel the Tuvok-Janeway friendship, is a loving tribute to the Spock-Kirk one. Him willing to sacrifice himself and quoting Spock later, is the icing on the cake. Her losing Seven, Tuvok, Chakotay... It broke her. But she came through. She always did.

[@AwesomeFinish]

Would have been a great finale had they spent just a few more minutes on the homecoming. Maybe watching the crew slowly gather their things, disembarking the ship for the last time and then Janeway herself on the bridge, touching the railings, thanking the ship for keeper her crew alive, bringing them home and bidding Voyager farewell.

[@JavenarchX]

She was full throttle lezza for Seven...... But she only realised after Seven was gone

[@Jeng4280]

I couldn't help but notice when the Admiral told the Captain about 7's husband..the look on the Captain's face, spoke MAJOR volumes for me when I first saw this.I will admit I was so upset when this show ended. It had become a part of my life during dark times.And having it end..I was like: well what is gonna be my show now?

[@cyberpunk1589]

I just finished Voyager today 😭 First DS9 ending broke my heart now this 😞

[@jeffsdomaingaming1639]

@@cyberpunk1589 there's always Enterprise. That last episode will make you hate the writers. Lol End program

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Picard series, that's where it's all at now. The Federation gone to hell.

[@brianjohnson5272]

This is trek at its truest. A woman in the vaunted halls of power who has lost her way. Ever seeing the faces of those who never make it home. Finds a way to lessen her grief yet the cost is her honor. Her younger self, patient and calm knowing now her path is set and successful tells her older self to be herself once more. The older self tries to change her people's paths to save them all fails. Yet she sees the faces of those lost and rekindles something lost within. She seeks to return to a path she discarded long ago, but the price is high, a fate worse than death. Knowing full the cost she takes a poison, becoming a bomb in the heart of the enemy. A path of sacrifice taken she walks paths where no angel treads and no light reaches she faces the evil, ever so slightly tickling it, taunting it, using the subtly of years. In hubris the evil bait taken, trap lisd walks into it in hubris and the false aura of invicibility. Duty done now she rests, honor restored and the path found once again.

[@arnebenne]

Just imagine meeting yourself in future. Think of how weird this is! The idea of meeting yourself, and talking to yourself.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

God forbid I met my past self. God forbid I met my future self. I’d end up a Bitcoin millionaire with several illegitimate children all over the world.

[@TimParker-Chambers]

I'd have not wasted 15 years of my life, and would've been in the right place, at the right time, to be with the right woman all along.

[@Tantalus010]

@@PassportBrosBusinessClass Nah, you wouldn't. That's the thing about time travel: it would either cause a self-defeating paradox, completely preventing future you from being able to change how past events play out, or if the multiverse hypothesis of time travel is correct, you could change things for an alternate past version of you, but those changes wouldn't benefit you in any way. Either way you go, nothing changes for you.

[@kurtsnyder4752]

arenbenne I know it is another Doctor in another place and time that may be talking with his/her other 13+ selves.

[@kurtsnyder4752]

@@Tantalus010 Marty McFly MURDERED everyone and is now living with strangers who do not even know that this IS NOT the Marty they knew.

[@floridaboz1]

Janeway, great women, Great captain. The only two things you need to worry about with her is the coffee supply and the temporal prime directive.

[@wshaffer79]

Here's another spin on Endgame. Admiral Janeway travels back in time to infect the Borg Queen, and the entire collective. Instead of using that to significantly damage the collective, kill the queen, and destroy that transwarp hub, Janeway uses that borg infection to actually take control of the collective and become the new Borg Queen. Maybe she could then use some time traveling cubes to prevent some of the more tragic things that happened on Voyager like the loss of crew members. A Starfleet Admiral in full control of the Borg collective. That should prove to be quite an advantage to the Federation as a whole.

[@Gredddfe]

I wouldn't trust the Admiral with that much power. She became a cynical old bastard.

[@wshaffer79]

@@Gredddfe good point. She did go back to the Delta Quadrant presumably against orders. They did try to stop her, minimally.

[@Arthus850]

Really wish they acknowledged the crew members they lost in the past seven years. “I can’t do anything for the crew members we already lost in the past seven years, but I can make sure the ones who are still here all get home.”

[@smzig]

I find the Star Trek captains have the same attitude toward the regular Prime Directive at times as well.

[@warrenreid6109]

This scene always gets me.

[@thelife9593]

Your KZbin name is awesome. It is the date of first Contact

[@blairbrown4812]

1:06-1:10 The one word in all the universe capable of ripping Janeway's guts out out.

[@Jose0421]

I really hope they bring Janeway back in Star trek Picard!

[@michaelcartwright8570]

She doesn't look the same at all. Check her out in her current show Orange is the New Black.

[@AtenRa]

@@michaelcartwright8570 Oh noes, she got older, she gained weight like people often do. Whoopi Goldberg said yes and she doesn't look like Guinan anymore. Frakes isn't exactly Walking Penis Riker anymore and he's back. Why shouldn't Kate come back for her looks?

[@michaelcartwright8570]

@@AtenRa as a matter of fact, I have noticed and watched Patrick Stewart inviting Whoopi Goldberg to the second season of Star Trek: Picard a day or so after this posting! So who knows, they may invite Kate Mulgrew back too. She sure doesn't even nearly look like the Kathryn Janeway we know and love, but they might find a place for her on the show. Heck, the mirror reminds me every morning I'm no more a spring chicken I used to be!🤔 I've received early notice of that when I started losing my hair at 18 just after graduation.😆

[@manofsan]

@@michaelcartwright8570 she's older, but so is everybody else, including Stewart himself. Given the amount of time that's passed until the events of Star Trek Picard, it's perfectly natural for Janeway to look older. I, for one, think it would be cool to have both captain-admirals interacting with each other in the same storyline. That would kind of be like the Star Trek version of an Avengers team-up. Admirals Assemble!

[@michaelcartwright8570]

@@manofsan hey, I've already covered the terrible truth about everybody including Kate Mulgrew aging, no need to revisit that. But yeah, that would be cool. But then again, I kind of almost see (Admiral) Janeway making an appearance at Starfleet headquarters bending over backwards assisting Picard in whatever way she can. Let's just see how the show unfolds! Ask for the Patrick Stewart interviews about the show, his reaction on some things is priceless!

[@andrewguest6941]

I like the way when there talking about the prime directive and the future Janeway mentions Tuvok she says to hell with it powerful stuff

[@DrownedInExile]

1:17 "If I know what's going to happen, I can avoid it." "Don't be naive Captain. You can only use my foreknowledge once, maybe twice. Then it's useless because everything in this timeline would have changed. So how will you choose which of your 23 crewmembers will live? Flip a coin, pick a card, roll the dice?"

[@hiker64]

The story arc for this show is near perfect. Probably my favorite series, despite my love of TOS and STNG. My feelings for DS9 are ... complicated.

[@CeltycSparrow]

I will give old Janeway one thing....she struck her younger counterpart exactly where she knew it would hurt most and make young Janeway take her seriously. Janeway wasn't willing to even CONSIDER her proposal to get Voyager home now....not UNTIL she played her hand and said that Seven (who Janeway considers to be her daughter) was going to die and Tuvok and Chakotay (the men on the crew she loves and respects the most) will be lost if she continues the journey she's on now. She knew her younger self couldn't bear the thought of losing those who were closest to her.

[@allenharper2928]

It says a lot about the professionalism and acting skill of both these ladies, considering they sadly hated each other in real life. In a way I can understand how Mulgrew felt, she was the first female Captain in a ST series, but when 7 came on she kind of stole the show, though that wasn't 7's fault, just bad writing.

[@johcafra]

Kate Mulgrew excels here.

[@williamzhao2521]

after watching this again, I've come to realize the symmetry of this theatre, this woman is exactly the same as the Borg queen character. I finally realize it.