Advanced Sci-fi Civilisations Too Stupid To Really Exist Ep.03- The Galactic-ish Empire

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[@pookiebear4444]

Universalist Socialist workers party go boom.

[@pookiebear4444]

The Galactic Reset. You will own nothing and you'll be happy. Join the Storm troopers today. Diversity and inclusion.

[@calebwright8786]

This video exists My recommendation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHrVkn6Qebt8ic0

[@gospel1234able]

I’m going on on yo

[@noone.3532]

I'd love to see this updated to cover the stupidity of sith into rise of skywalker.

[@RevolutionInsignia]

Be angry at the fact that *Star Wars technology stagnated after the Rakatan Empire, over 40,000 years before the Battle of Yavin.*

[@luckykennedy7364]

Was the legends or the vergin cannon

[@LTMaverick27894]

@@luckykennedy7364 Chad Legends

[@CyborgPenguin]

The Rakatan Empire relied entirely on their connection to the force

[@henrykkeszenowicz4664]

Man, I'm having Warhammer flashbacks

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Yeah, well, that's so incredibly stupid, but if you notice, it's commonplace in most stories about alien civilizations: they tend to be designed as monarchic, mono-occupational, and socially and technologically stagnant. Look at the space bodybuilders from Prometheus and Covenant: 3.5 billion years after they created life on Earth, and they are using exactly the same tech. I know those movies are terrible beyond words, but that is just a trend in most sci-fi, because writers don't take time into account, their aliens live in an eternal present. They have no past or future, they are just there to be defeated by the humans/good guys.

[@tureytaino2785]

"Palpatine didn't get enough cuddles as child and now he is throwing his toys at the rest of the galaxy". Isn't that the story, more or less of every Sith Lord?

[@mortisvult2658]

Pretty much

[@geraintthomas4343]

Seems like it's more that they all have daddy issues imo than anything else

[@emceeunderdogrising]

Or dictatorships in general.

[@rockmusicexclusivez2975]

Sounds like Nancy Poloski lol

[@DbladeMedic]

@@rockmusicexclusivez2975 definitely

[@52flyingbicycles]

Of all the incompetent sci-fi civs, this one actually had the shortest lifespan. It lasted barely over 20 years before the rebellion shattered it harder than Rome. We are also to assume that 19 of those years were not nearly as brutal since there was no Death Star and Vader was not obsessing over Luke. Ironically, it gets the most defenders despite this canonically short lifespan.

[@quakethedoombringer]

Star Wars is fortunate with hundreds of retconned material (books, video games, etc.) and a large and loyal fanbase. If Star Wars Ep4 ended up flopping at the box office, your average viewers today would have torn it to shred for its numerous plotholes.

[@kaihedgie1747]

All because "muh nostalgia"

[@foxymetroid]

According to various books, people still had to contend with an ax-crazy Vader who had a fondness for cutting people in half as well as a military that wasn't above mass slaughtering/ glassing millions of civilians as well as thousands of their own troops just to ensure quick victories against minor threats.

[@michaelsalmon9832]

I can’t decide what’s stupider: the 20 year empire or the 40,000 (!) year old republic that preceded it

[@michaelsalmon9832]

Or the, what, 20 year new republic? 1-2 year first order/whatever it called itself in the last movie? Nonsense!

[@coreyh9175]

Lando wasn’t slimy, he had a city to protect. Either he protected people he didn’t know and lost his city or he made a deal with the authorities. He didn’t ask Han to show up on his doorstep with the Empire in pursuit. Easy choice

[@40percentdamagetaken]

This.

[@seb2750]

Agreed. DV was already there in force. His cooperation was natural as a hostage situation

[@robbieaulia6462]

Not to mention, he probably didn't have the best view of Han after losing the Millennium Falcon to him. So to Lando, it wasn't just people he didn't know, it was people he didn't know accompanied with someone who he lost his precious ship to. The fact that Lando was able to become good friend with Han again shows how much of a nice guy he is.

[@viscountrainbows2857]

Yeah his hands really were tied. He does make up for it by being part of the rescue effort in Return but, on the surface you can understand why the crew were juuuust a bit ticked off regardless of if it was literally betray your friend and live to fight another day, or be rent asunder by Space Nazis for your loyalty, and it's still your fault anyway. I'll take Living, please.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

My city vs one smuggler? Yeah, obviously the city. Lando did nothing wrong.

[@benderthepirate]

I'd actually say the First Order is even dumber than the Galactic Empire. They learned nothing from neither the Galactic Civil War nor the Empire’s preference to build super weapons instead of a grand fleet.

[@caav56]

Their tech is better, though. Full-planet shield for Starkiller Base, redudnant bridges and anti-fighter missiles for spaceships, better TIEs... If their command wasn't shit (and, you know, they didn't give info to those of inappropriate ranks, like the Finn having plans of SB or Phasma - shield codes), they could've won without much problems. Also, Supremacy is a beatiful ship.

[@lolroflroflcakes]

The rebel's push their shit in with a bunch of light strikecraft then the First order proceeds to entirely forget that capability exists or they dismiss it as a threat for some reason. I mean think of all the friends and family each person in the first order lost when Starkiller base went up to mention nothing of the material losses, you think they would have learned that the fighters are dangerous. The rebels also make this same exact mistake funnily enough.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

James P for sure. The empire had a purpose in the extended universe. The first order are terrorists.

[@55Quirll]

Don't forget the US Government, it is so stupid, I am surprised it lasted past Lincoln. There is so much infighting what nothing gets done and so much money, resources and people are wasted.

[@MarginalSC]

That is how it was designed to operate.

[@atruenobody6189]

Everyone remember, when Thrawn explained, that he had criticized Palps military decisions three times and was every time right? After seeing this video i have the slight feeling, that the emperor send him to the unknown regions, so his competence couldn't spread through the empire and make Palpatine unnecessary. He would be a more fitting supervisor than Vader ever could be

[@dango6266]

Best part is that Thrawn attempts to reunite the empire in legends. And I have a feeling that that may be leaking into Canon as well.

[@MyHeadHz]

@@dango6266 if his mention in the mandolorian, as well as the mention of a gathering fleet is any indication, yes

[@Tywil714]

Thrawn was the best asset the empire had mainly because of his rational, logical, and tactical way of thinking unlike the other imperial brass who have unrealistic expectations thrown thinks level headdedly even he knew the death was was a waste of money and he was absolutely correct. If thrown was on the rebels side the rebellion would have been invincible

[@nenmaster5218]

"Their sydunctional and excessively cruel sytem guarantees widespread rebellion. Mistakes and Unsubordination become instutionalized!" THATS EXACTLY what i say about the SCP-Foundation, especially when it comes to the Afterlife AND Dr-Bright-Family. Its hilarious how incompetent the Foundation s.

[@Elyseon]

@@Tywil714 Thrawn would never join the rebellion because he was a sociopathic asshole.

[@tureytayno3154]

I think the Sith are so miserable that they want everyone to be as miserable as they are. The only times we see Palpatine genuinely happy is when he is watching someone suffer.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

Yep. Sith are kinda like malignant narcs.

[@ivanviera1582]

Most Sith fall to the dark side in pursue of fixing their worst life issues like rescuing their loved ones from death, avenging them or establishing some sort of justice, for that they lean towards it to obtain more power. The issue is that all these power gains are like cocaine and once they have a taste of it, they never stop, they drop all of the goals they pursued to use the dark side of the force in exchange for wanting more power and thats all your life as a Sith boils down to after a while. Palpatine was the same, in the end he wanted to see the galaxy suffer to become more powerful.

[@murrayshekelberg9754]

The sith seem to be better people than jedi overall and get to live fuller lives. jedi sale-flagellate pretty much non-stop and their life is about self-denial and arrogance

[@TransformersBoss]

One more note on Boba and Vader being best pals: Vader explicitly states that he wants our Heroes captured alive, “no disintegrations!” as he points at Boba, which suggests that Vader hired Boba once before, probably told him to take the target dead or alive, and Fett brought in a bag of ashes. Maybe Vader would’ve preferred taking the bounty alive, but, even so, Boba Fett did a good enough job that Vader thought it prudent to hire him again.

[@Meirstein]

The main problem with the empire wasn't just that it was evil, but it was a cartoonish level of evil.

[@hughmiller6389]

They exist. Look at North Korea, and the Empire is not near as bad.

[@PhyreI3ird]

Say what you want about them, but NK at the least can manage to brain wash its own population, unlike the empire

[@Lucivius27]

NK lasted more than the Empire

[@jacksilver6613]

@Phyrel3ird I mean keeping in mind the Empire did initially take over the clone army. Makes you wonder if Mandalorian visors are different. Also, they are in the future (a long time ago). They can figure out how to make massively powerful energy weapons without using Jedi lightsaber crystals... ooh wait (realizes Kyber crystals in Death Star). Well, they are at least competent enough to build/manufacture their own computers and armor? I'm not entirely certain. Maybe they were doomed to fail. *Note* : I don't think anybody calling the Empire evil is entirely accurate (people in general). The Empire did have some morals from their Sith overlords. I guess they did neglect that side of things until plot points developed. Maybe they were evil after all. I mean no moral consideration, blew up a planet and killed random civilians. I think this franchise is guilty of bad evil. That's what the Empire is in practice. It's a stereotype of what defines evil. That is half of the story. They are doing bad things with mostly no morals. Yet doing good things with no morals is entirely possible. I guess it just never crossed their minds. It's not like they couldn't have had logical reasoning behind those decisions. I think that depends on "moral/morals" as a definition (also who's defining).

[@jacksilver6613]

@Phyrel3ird I have a theory about morals and their subjectivity. Although many people view them as good and bad. Maybe they are like Yin and Yang. They are the antithesis of each other's existence. Yet having the other in each's very core. To be immoral is to lack the other side's morals from their point of view. Still each are embossed with the same structure as their antithesis. Although their goals are differently oriented. Intentions are never paramount to what's good and bad. That is nearly left to thinking minds to decide. You could say that in their own way. The Jedi are a force of Evil.

[@yupi749]

"the emperor is seemingly gone forever" kek

[@havokmusicinc]

i cant believe that abrams took one of the DUMBEST extended universe stories and based ep9 on it. i can forgive the rey/kylo mess since that COULD have worked with a less shit storyline, but.... fuckin hell skywalker was a bad movie

[@DS-tv2fi]

Havok And the 1st act was HORRIBLY paced

[@Fleetches]

@@havokmusicinc he didn't even base it on the EU because Disney said NOPEEEEEE... he just said "fuck it! let's try to fix Ruin Johnson's fuck ups and we'll clone a bunch of Snokes but actually bring the REAL Palpatine back, what a twist!!!" Seriously, fuck Disney's Star Wars.

[@viczio]

yee, that did NOT age well.

[@Idazmi7]

@@viczio Well if he makes a sequel, he can talk about the fact that Xyston Class Star Destroyers need _assistance_ to go up, and how Palpatine just hid the Sith Fleet under a planet's crust for about forty years instead of using it.

[@starkillersneed]

The empire trusting Galen Erso with the Death Star is like forcing your sworn enemy to be the caterer at your own wedding, then get shocked when all guests end up with food poisoning

[@GabFrrost]

Nazi scientists led by Heisenberg (yes, that that one!) litteraly diminished importance and feasibility of nuclear weapon from Hitler.

[@concept5631]

Oddly in character for despotic regimes.

[@StateOfTheMind11225]

So… most of human history? A lot of empires had that kind of mindset.

[@concept5631]

Nazi's used slave labor to make most of their weaponry and they, obviously, sabatoged it.

[@fenrirsilver6441]

To be completely fair... this specific version of the Star Wars government only lasted 20yrs... so this is very accurate in how it may have failed

[@aliksanon6491]

The super stardestroyer being pulled down actually makes sense as the deathstar is so massive it probably could have a strong enough gravity to pull ships down

[@toddnolastname4485]

And that's why Death Stars should have levels like the layers of an onion, not be flat across.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@toddnolastname4485 "Their sydunctional and excessively cruel sytem guarantees widespread rebellion. Mistakes and Unsubordination become instutionalized!" THATS EXACTLY what i say about the SCP-Foundation, especially when it comes to the Afterlife AND Dr-Bright-Family. Its hilarious how incompetent the Foundation s.

[@DrgnLdyLizzie2001]

Not to mention, they were in orbit around Endor, a large gas giant with enough gravity to draw the Super Stardestoyer into the Death Star.

[@pop5678eye]

The second Death Star was the size of a small to medium size moon. Moons of this size have surface gravity on the order of less than 0.01g. (i.e. less than 1% of falling acceleration rate than on Earth) Even assuming the structure of the Death Star is mostly made of metals it has so much hollow space inside its average density would be much less than those moons. With such low gravity the Executor would have taken hours, not less than 20 seconds to be pulled into it. Admittedly most space fiction movies/shows rely on artificial gravity to begin with so the whole 'the deathstar is so massive' argument becomes irrelevant anyway. You might as well just have said the Death Star was employing powerful artificial gravity to hold ships around it but then the question shifts to why would it want to do that. Even easier: just say the propulsion went out of control and the Executor drove into the surface of the Death Star.

[@bkolumban]

Get that real world physics and logic out of my space fantasy movie.

[@lavitzbass6666]

also the health and safety on just walking from one room on a ship to another .. their are so many pitfalls your luck if you don't fall to your death heading to the brake room to grab ya lunch

[@MediaZealot]

haha good call, I actually had to cut quite a bit of material for this Ep, as you can see the length was getting obscene. When I have time I may do some bonus videos for a few of the civs I've featured, so will include this point then. A lot of people thought it was extreme nitpicking when I made a similar point with the engineers, but let's go there anyway, why not.

[@lavitzbass6666]

I remember having this discussion with my dad wen I was 5 or 6 and he was just saying its a movie stop nit-picking .. but that what has always bothered me about star wars . seeing how accident prone I am and the safety regulation on some of the places iv worked I don't think any space ship would be space worthy ........................ though the biggest problem I see with almost all space ship movies is that sparks and other things fly out the walls wen the shields are still up .. one you notice it you cant not see it every were

[@christiandauz3742]

So many OSHA violations

[@assemblyrequired7342]

I remember hating that about Star Wars: Jedi Academy and Outcast. I mean, seriously, either nobody has ever invented safe railings, or Imperial, Coruscant, and Nar Shaada society is extremely masochistic in general. One tactic for torturing prisoners of war would be walking them from one side of the ship to the other!

[@ObsceneSuperMatt]

The Sith ideology is to eliminate the weak. Everything the Empire does is based on this ideology. Recruit billions of storm troopers, so that a few thousand competent people rise up and the rest perish. Maybe it even helps find and develop force-sensitive people.

[@jdotoz]

To be fair, Leia does warn Tarkin that the heavy-handed brutality he favored would ultimately weaken the Empire's control.

[@concept5631]

And she was right

[@concept5631]

@@ThaUltimateHunter Actions have consequences however.

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@ThaUltimateHunterI think when you hear one of the foremost planets in the galaxy (with most people there very peaceful and well-off) was destroyed by a previously unknown weapon system the size of a moon, you're going to be pretty pissed that's where your tax Dollars went.

[@TheSleepLes]

Blaming others for your mistakes, fear of one’s superiors, consequences for one’s failures....you are describing ...real world.

[@alexsmith2910]

That's why it's failing.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Damn dude that was deep 😳

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Yeah, but in the real world the consequences are not instant execution (Unless you're in north Korea or under the CCP) so it's not nearly as bad as in this.

[@alexturlais8558]

Our civilisation is too dumb to exist

[@pewpewplasma3793]

It’s official. Our society existing is a paradox in of itself. I will now endeavor to somehow bring it down

[@ryancornwell8563]

He was right when he said he didn’t get any hugs as a kid. Palpatine killed his whole family with the force when he was 17.

[@hydrolito]

That's sort of like putting one of the Mendez brother's in charge.

[@wilmagregg3131]

and its fitting the empire has such a backstabbing cowardly brute force system because that is palpatine to a t he couldnt kill his sith master in combat so he posioned him to death like a coward basically the empire is palpatine taking the old sith empire where such a brutal system worked as the pain and anger made the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SITHS have a envoirment to grow stronger twisted with palpatines own petty insucruirtes

[@ryancornwell8563]

@@wilmagregg3131 I mean it was an effective empire and Palpatine and Plagueis had like a short duel when they were both drunk with Palpatine shooting force lightning at him and Plagueis just regenerating himself with the force until Palpatine was just too strong and killed him.

[@sharkquisha3407]

Well more like Palpatine was just a psychopath. Not about hugs.

[@ryancornwell8563]

@@sharkquisha3407 I mean he didn’t really show any psychopathic tendencies when he was that age other than a good ego and being a teenager

[@totalcz9757]

I would like to point out that in cannon Grand Admiral Thrawn had plans for improved TIEs but it was overshadowed by Stardust (The Death Star) these TIEs had shields and a hyperdrive, i aslo believe they had life support

[@zeebas1014]

I think it's the TIE defender. Google it, it has shields and a hyperdrive.

[@quakethedoombringer]

Honestly, I hate how they make the Empire so cartoonishly incompetent in the films and then have to retcon in outside material with the "competent officer's idea gets shafted" excuse to make the Empire a viable threat. It's a wonder they last this long while pissing everyone's off

[@MrSphandor]

Yes the tie defender long live the Dreddlords 181st squadron!

[@MrSphandor]

But it's a space fantasy not science fiction - literally wizards in space

[@Eclipse-mf6hc]

@@MrSphandor u do realise that it can be both.

[@RenegadeVash]

To be honest Vader really didn't care if the Empire succeeded or not. He was already dead inside and simply going through the motions lashing out whenever he could. He probably even hoped for its downfall so he can kill Palpatine and usurp him. The biggest knob was definitely Palpatine who thought overwhelming power solves everything. The death star was a vanity project to symbolize his ego regardless if actually made sense or not.

[@memelord2799]

I mean the US trusted a bunch of Soviet spies with the Manhattan Project, same as the British with the Enigma code breakers.

[@Mqmn]

The Death Star was in planing since the start of the clone wars and was a legit threat it only failed because you need a way to destroy it for the movie and a skywalker was using the force

[@gusgus0070]

Palps always has to be right. He says “I knew you would fall to the dark side” and then turns around and says “I knew you would betray me”. He’s like a 6 year old know it all

[@p.o.p5570]

Just keep in mind that star wars was made for kids... Seriously you can look it up

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Ah yes, this violent, gorey messed up world was “made” for kids. Look label it however you like, it ain’t for kids anymore.

[@username-yc3bd]

⁠@@p.o.p5570 and yet it appeals to more than just kids

[@p.o.p5570]

@@username-yc3bd yes because star wars fans are immature, they're like kids in the bodies of grown ass ppl

[@Jonathan-ih7qp]

I knew you would say that.

[@JohnDoe-nq4du]

"with ports big enough for an X-wing to fly through" Forget X-wings, big enough for a freighter to fly through! The Millennium Falcon is a freighter. As in, the tractor-trailer to the X-wing's militarized motorcycle.

[@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018]

Actually the Falcon is a Corellian Corvette, basically a space yacht. In a galactic society, there is no way a ship that small could turn a profit shipping common goods. Han basically made money smuggling illegal wares, thus making it easier to jack up the price, using a beat up space yacht as a cover.

[@JohnDoe-nq4du]

@@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 Nope. It's a heavily modified YT-1300 Corellian light freighter, originally of the YT-1300F variant. It does have some internal cargo space, but mostly, it's designed to operate exactly like the tractor part of the tractor-trailor I compared it to, linking up to a giant container and moving said container through space like a tug boat moving a barge on water.

[@JohnDoe-nq4du]

@@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 You might be thinking of the YT-1300p, which was a variant designed to carry passengers rather than cargo, and which would make a pretty serviceable yacht, but the Falcon was a YT-1300f, not a YT-1300p.

[@caav56]

In defence of the second Death Star, it was still incomplete at this point, so, holes were likely to have been left deliberately for work-tugs to move around, putting stuff into place and welding it as the building process goes.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Forget that give them more try and they'll make one where you can have rocket straps Titanic fly in and hit the core like it the iceberg XD

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

The biggest strike against the Galactic Empire is their incredibly wasteful spending and priorities for resource allocation, in that their most powerful weapon is a massive expenditure of funds and resources that solely exists to destroy even more resources. I looked up just how wasteful the Death Star really is. It runs on a hypermatter reactor with an energy output equal to three main sequence stars. In other words, a single blast from its superlaser contains the same amount of energy a star like Earth's sun gives off in three days, e.g. enough to destroy a small rocky planet like Alderaan. In other words, they've harnessed this source of energy and can't think of any other use than to blow up planets. Here's what they could have done with it instead. Based on the surface area of the Earth, approximately 4.53 x 10^-10 percent of the sun's energy reaches the Earth. Taking the reciprocal, the sun's energy would be enough for over 22 million Earth-sized planets, if there were a way to capture it all. The Death Star can generate three times this, so that becomes 66 million worlds. If someone had used this hypermatter reactor to grow food, that's the number of populated planets on which they could wipe out starvation. Nobody would ever go hungry again, poverty would diminish, and no one would ever have reason to rebel. This would be a far better way to secure political power in the long term. The Starkiller Base is even worse in this regard. It has the technology to transmit stellar energy through hyperspace, and the first thing they do with it is to murder a solar system and turn the entire galaxy against them.

[@nickklissas2865]

What's also really ridiculous is that in Episode 7 the evil lord decides to blow up the capital planet Corescant (forgive spelling). Really, the richest planet with the greatest amount of talented workers? That's not how you boost your empire's power.

[@DarksaberForce]

It wasn't Coruscant but another city-planet called Hosian Prime.

[@nickklissas2865]

Was it identified as such in the movie? I missed that!

[@Horesmi]

FrozenWolf150 Yeah like you could probably turn the whole death star into a mega matrioshka nexus and have more population, industry and brainpower than the whole Galactic Empire. All concentrated in one place, making it super easy to control.

[@googlespieonsomeoneelse4898]

We're talking about space fascists here, of course they'll use this energy to build a weapon.

[@BeefIntoCake]

"any promotion or carreer ambitions will put you on vaders conveyor belt of DEATH" Hahahaha, I love that qoute.

[@Janoha17]

Tatooine had two celebrations going on: The Emperor's death, and the death of Jabba the Hutt. Two despots going down within days of each other.

[@KrawmKruach]

don't hate on lando, the man was responsible for the lives and livelihood of tens of thousands of people and when the galactic empire comes knocking on your door with a fleet of ships and troops telling you to betray your friend or everyone in the city will die....what would you do? needs of the many my friends.

[@RobertZdarsChin]

There are actually millions of people living on Cloud City somehow. So he had far more people to defend

[@NoneNone-dw1jo]

Where is Waldo? There were more than just the few platforms shown

[@RobertZdarsChin]

@@NoneNone-dw1jo Where? It showed all of Cloud City.

[@CaptainJY01]

Where is Waldo?If they had defenses would it matter? This is Galactic Empire, and I doubt there was a rebel fleet on standby to attack Vaders fleet.

[@RobertZdarsChin]

@@CaptainJY01 What are you even talking about? I didn't mention defense platforms or anything else. Lando clearly made the right choice.

[@TheAdam1701]

Every building, structure, base and ship have seemingly bottomless pits everywhere and hardly ever handrails.

[@Mystickneon]

Well, the logic there is that the workers bees should be working at their consoles, and the presence of handrails would encourage "leaning" and therefore interfere with work. This is addressed here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5O2i4urmLl7aqM

[@zeframmann1641]

If you play Old Republic, the Republic space station has fountains and pools you can splash around in along its outer ring. The empire has bottomless pits.

[@studinthemaking]

Hand rails are very expensive. You got to cut corners somewhere.

[@andresmcguire-buckley1659]

38:13-38:24 lol.

[@jacencade4019]

@@studinthemaking like not sealing up a hole that can blow up the whole station

[@brendansmith9677]

I just realized that an AT-ST could almost definitely be destroyed by one shot from a modern main battle tank before the tank was even spotted. Probably most cold war tanks and some late WWII heavy tanks

[@Aredel]

Assuming that paper-thin armor wasn’t pierced, the whole thing would just topple over from the force of the impact

[@MyDude199]

Yeah most star wars tech is laughably weak against kinentic projectiles. Their only main advantage was the fact they could travel to space and just nuke the planet from orbit but any conventional force with kinetic weapons probably destroy most militaries in this galaxy.

[@bobsempletank5362]

I'd say the main flaw with the empire that seemingly is what leads to every other issue was that it was made so that the Emporer would have power, but wasn't made to last, basically assuring that while it would dominate, it was a rickety system that's the only purpose was to keep that dude up top, and if he went down, he took the whole thing with him.

[@fruitylerlups530]

Exactly the point, hence Operation Cinder.

[@shadow_psych7069]

"It's treason then.." *lightsaber ignites*

[@stenchemitter2407]

Gay

[@starfoxnes]

The idea that Palpatine grew bored is actually in the comics. He often did things just because there was nothong left to do. However, Rebels gave a real purpose to Palpatine, which was use the Empire to find the secrets of immortality.

[@NoneNone-dw1jo]

starfoxnes play the force unleashed

[@nathanjora7627]

starfoxnes And now I can’t stop but think : Had he managed to actually become immortal, to what length would he have gone to keep himself entertained after a bajilion millennia in power ? I mean, this is just hilarious : the man is so bored out of his mind that killing billions of people in a galactic civil war is the only way he has to stay... not more insane, and he wanted that to go on for infinity ? ^^ I mean, the dude would probably go on an intergalactic war and resurrect a bunch of force user orders to keep himself from suicide xD

[@nathanjora7627]

BalF « Galactic Emperor has nothing to do? » Nothing that interests him. « why the fock he even bothered to become one if he is so lazy? » Nobody said he was lazy, the suggestion was that he is bored, which is really different. As to why he became emperor : revenge (epI), lusts for power (basically any sith lords’ defining trait), survival (since his master wouldn’t have exactly been kind to him if he hadn’t had any such drive, when he was still under his wing), and habit/indoctrination/brainwashing (since it’s what sith are trained to be, lustful toward power). And wouldn’t you get bored if your life went from escaping the jedi, outmaneuvering the best politicians of the galaxy, conquering planets, and plotting the overthrowing of the Republic... to doing management. Man, I’d be insanely bored. And it’s not like normal empires, where you still have to be ready for enemy attacks, and plots against you, and rebellions, since 1) there is literally no other significant power in the galaxy beside the empire (that would oppose the Empire, at least), 2) no one can compete with an intelligent person that has access to force visions, let alone a mastermind with insanely powerful force sensitivity that could sense any plot with a decent chance of killing him, and 3) he didn’t conquer an enemy culture, he hijacked, thanks to events that increased his popularity, the culture he became the master of, meaning that 99% of people were for him. Had he run the Empire decently, with benevolence and foresight,especially if you add in things like propaganda, force manipulation, etc, the rebellion would’ve died out from a lack of recruit.

[@nathanjora7627]

BalF « except the rebellion that actually defeated him » Nope, not at the end of the clone wars, which is what I was talking about (I though it was clear, sorry if it wasn’t). And considering the discussion was all about how he basically engineered the rebellion to stop being bored out of his mind, I’d say this is clearly a case of « missing the point ». Had he ruled the galaxy appropriately, the rebellion would’ve died out, and never been a credible threat to his power, or stagnated at the same level it was right after the clone wars. But he didn’t, hence why people suggest he was trying to have a distraction. « There is always someone to fight » Yeah... In ancient earth, there was always someone to fight. That, however, didn’t apply to the Empire at the end of the clone wars. Basically, at the end of the clone wars, there were three factions : The hutt space, the Empire, and the embryo of resistance that would lead to the rebel alliance. The only space left sufficiently unexplored to home some significant power were the unknown regions, and they were unknown because they were hard to navigate, which lead to an absence of large scale interstellar nations, at least none that the Emperor knew of (which, from his point of view, equates to no power at all, since he can’t have someone to fight if there is no one he knows about, wether directly or indirectly to fight). The Hutts weren’t hostile to the Emperor, so there is only the embryo of rebellion left, and as I said, he was extremely popular at the end of the clone wars, so had he ruled his empire fairly, things would’ve relatively rapidly calmed down. So at the end of the clone wars... No, what a character said in a historical fiction doesn’t apply to another story, especially one that is fictional, hence where different rules may apply (in this case rules about how geopolitics work). « They didn’t even explore the entire galaxy » Yeah, because they couldn’t. And at this point, if you suggest the Emperor should’ve gone out of his way to find new enemies in a region that nobody could easily travel in for millennia just to cure his boredom... I mean, yeah, he could’ve done that, but it was probably more easier and faster to just let things get worst to the point rebellion is the only solution, this will provide far more distractions far sooner. Hell, he could even do both. « There are always politicians to outmaneuver » Yeah, but nothing on the scale he had before, and again isolated individuals, especially if they aren’t force sensitive, let alone force users, are no match for him. Again, compared to what he had to do before, how boring could that have been ? « there are still semi independent planets » Yeah, and none that would’ve been a significant problem (ie : source of distraction) if he had managed his empire correctly. « of course not » You wouldn’t get bored when switching from « conquering the galaxy » to « letting things be done correctly by bureaucrats and intervene from time to time to rectify their incompetence » ? Okay... Can you at least concede that’s something someone might realistically get bored from ? « Managing Coruscant alone is a daunting task » You seem to confuse hard with thrilling. And he wouldn’t have been doing that kind of stuff anyway, you don’t govern an empire by micromanaging. And I know you weren’t saying that he would’ve had to manage Coruscant, what I’m saying is that most of the work is always done by bureaucrats, micromanagement is the exception, not the norm. « damn i wish I’m an immortal emperor who rules the entire galaxy » Okay, we’ll do something : Download stellaris (if you haven’t already), and put the setting as follow : Easy mode, big galaxy, max lifespan for you galaxy, minimum number of crisis, and three enemy empires. Give yourself a nice mineral, food, alloy, and energy boost, and insta colonize half the galaxy thanks to cheats. Now, manage your empire, do only that, and once you’ve crushed all of your enemies, tell me when you get bored. I promise you you will get bored, I inevitably, even if it takes you one hundred hours of game to do so. Now imagine you’ve been doing that for hundreds of days. Now imagine having done so for tens of years. I would get insane from boredom if I had to constantly play stellaris like that. And yeah, sure, it would obviously be more complex to rule a real galaxy than this simulation, but the point still stands : once you’ve conquered the galaxy, and you don’t have much of any enemies worth the trouble (neither in terms of enemy nations, which the Empire didn’t have at its birth, or serious internal division, which the Empire didn’t have at its birth, or serious political rival, which the Emperor never had as long as he was Emperor) of your own intervention, you can mostly let the bureaucracy do its own thing, straighten it from time to time, but that’s the most that will be needed (still a lot, but not exactly thrilling). And that can be insanely boring, especially if you were doing much more thrilling things before that. (Also, I heard last time an immortal dude trying to become Emperor of the galaxy, it didn’t turn out too well for him, with all that « being stuck in a never ending torment on a golden chair » thing, just food for thoughts). « People like Caesar, Napoleon, they were all insanely ambitious (‘’lust for power’’ as you said) » Yeah, though I’d contest that this was Napoleon’s primary motivation. At least from a subjective standpoint. « Stalin was a revolutionary » Wait, you say Stalin was but you pin « ambition » on Napoleon ? Do you even history ? ^^ Stalin wasn’t a revolutionary, not more than Napoleon, less I’d say. Lenin was, though. « Yet he was interested in managing every and factory production in the country » Because of the political system he was in. Not because it was his big plan. Palpatine didn’t have this need, since the Empire he took control of, at least originally, was pretty liberal (economically speaking). Hell, it’s not even true if Stalin, he wasn’t interested in managing all of that, he was interested in having all of that under control of the state. It so happened that this meant a lot of his own oversight, but the goal was to maintain the country in an iron grip, it wasn’t because of a micromanagement fetish. « I cannot believe that someone who is so obsessed with power can become easily bored when he actually seize all the power » Why not ? You perfectly summed up why Palpatine (and all one dimensional villains whose main interest is power for power’s sake) would be bored out of their mind once they have all the power : Because they have all they want. All Palpatine wanted, as far as we know, is to take over the galaxy. That’s what he devoted his life to, meaning that in terms of big life goals, he doesn’t have anything once he achieved that. What’s he gonna do ? He already have all power XD I mean, sure, there is still stuff to do, but not much stuff that can rival with the task of taking over a galactic republic. « These people love to rule » Wrong, especially for Palpatine : they love to acquire power, and they love to exert their power to mess with others. Meaning that once they have all the power, there is nothing left to do except abuse it, otherwise... they literally have nothing to do, since they didn’t seize power for any ultimate purpose. It’s not like Thanos, who seized power in order to do something concrete with it, it’s not like Napoleon or Lenin, who, again, had something in mind with what to do with their power, Palpatine, and similar villains, just want power for itself, and to satisfy their sadistic instincts, otherwise... they literally have nothing else to do (that’d interest them). « If you are not for that kind of life » I honestly doubt there is anyone that is made for ruling, period. There are definitely people who enjoy the status that goes with it, or the manipulations to get it and keep it, or people that have the mindset to rule, wether it pleases them to rule or not, but I don’t know if anyone who just likes to pass off laws and hear people complain about the economy, and their jobs, and that’s all. People that want to do that in order to accomplish something ? Yeah, sure. People who’d do that to satisfy desires of domination ? Sure. But none of that is ruling, it’s just something that goes along with it, and a drive to dominate doesn’t usually come without really egocentric and narcissistic, if not outright sadistic, tendencies, meaning again, if these people couldn’t mess with their underlings, they’d get bored fast.

[@nathanjora7627]

BalF First criticism : Yeah, I know I’m a bit long winded, and there were probably some redundancies, but trust me when I tell you this is not even close to the biggest or the top one hundreds lengthiest message I posted on KZbin. I’ve literally been forced to post tens of pages long single comments in answer to TLJ fans and sequel defenders >< « So, a bad example » Not really. I know it’s simpler, I acknowledged it, but it was an illustration about how even a really interesting thing (managing a galactic empire) can become boring if you don’t have significant opposition, and you do it for too long. And yeah, sure, stellaris is a lot simpler, but Palpatine ruled over the galaxy for much longer than anyone played stellaris, so it compensated, and the basic underlying principle (repetition beget boredom) is the same. « Stalin was a member of bolshevik party » Yeah, but when he accessed power, it was pretty clear he had no interest in the Revolution since quite some time. « while Napoleon despised the revolution » Citation needed. It’s not apparent from the biographies I could read, nor from his raw actions. « Napoleon was like those russian imperial generals who joined the red army » If you mean those that discussed and promoted communist ideas years before the communists were in power and sympathized with many communist intellectuals years before they rose to power, then I might agree. « But Stalin was a revolutionary » Yep. *Was*. The past tense was applicable since years before he accessed power. « Stalin was a revolutionary, at least when he was young, Napoleon wasn’t » I never disagreed with the idea that Stalin was a revolutionary in his youth, merely that idealism had nothing to do with his accession to power. And if you accept Stalin as having been a revolutionary in his youth (which I agree we should), then going by Napoleon’s correspondance in his youth, autobiography, and subsequent biographies, then you should at the very least also agree that young Napoleon was also an idealist, and sympathetic to the Revolution’s ideas. « ‘’Because of the political system’’ No. Because of his psychology » I’d argue that both aren’t incompatible, and in this case it was clearly both, but that doesn’t change anything to my point : Stalin was so much of a control freak both because of the point it allowed him to score in the communist party, and because it was... maybe not necessary, but a consequence of the geopolitical of his time. Basically what I’m saying is that if Stalin hadn’t been a control freak, he would’ve been either evicted by his comrades, or by a popular uprising. « He remade that system to his own image » At least in part because it was needed for him to keep control at all. « You presume that all humans are exactly like you? » ... No. Which is why I accepted the idea that you could feel differently from me, and I asked if you that you consider the idea that there are some people at there, at least some, who think differently from you too. In fact, it should’ve been apparent I don’t think people are all like me from the fact that I cited quite many different and mutually incompatible types of personalities. « but I doubt any of them fought for power and than just become bored » And I explained why that is, and why that didn’t apply to Palpatine, hence why he could become bored where we wouldn’t. I explained this in at least two important different ways : 1) Palpatine (because he is a relatively simple villain, personality wise) craves power for power’s sake. In other words, what brings him joy is the steps to acquire power, not something he will do with it. He doesn’t crave power for fame, status, luxuries, or some altruistic goal, he wants it simply because he wants it. Meaning once he has it, he doesn’t have anything of interest *for him* to do. 2) people who fought for power had to fight significant opposition to keep power. Palpatine (at the start of his reign) didn’t have any significant opposition threatening his power, and it would’ve stayed this way had he managed his empire properly. Hence, contrary to most people who fought for power, once he got it, he was rapidly bored with it. « There are countless examples in our world/history » Yeah, none of which applying to Palpatine, except if you want to also include examples of people who got what they wanted and still weren’t satisfied with it, which we can find a fuckton of. « But he didn’t! [won the game] » Of course he did. I will repeat so that it is clear what I’m talking about here : *At the end of the clone wars* Palpatine had won, and it *could’ve* stayed this way had he run his empire properly. The entire premise of this discussion is « could’ve Palpatine deliberately let the rebellion go out of hand to distract him from his boredom ». Hence we’re talking about the boredom felt after winning the game that was overthrowing the Republic. Yeah, he lost to the Rebels, because (the argument goes) he let the rebels become something significant, and he let hem become something significant because he needed something to chase the boredom away, because without the rebellion, there was nothing to do. I don’t know how you can’t realize you’re making our point for us ^^ « Power IS the ultimate purpose » Rarely, if ever. Real world people generally want power to achieve something, wether it be luxury, fame, social status, revenge, a thirst for adventure, the fulfillment of some entitlement, duty, the desire to help, etc. « Otherwise why he stays in the power » ... Okay si you meant that *for Palpatine* power is the goal. Which I agree. Hence why he didn’t have any ultimate purpose *beyond* power. In other words his ultimate stopped at *getting power*. « do something more interesting than ruling if you find it so boring » In other words : distract yourself. Which, when you’re someone like Palpatine who craves power and enjoy plots, machinations, and manipulation, would take the form of sowing chaos and division, as shown in the EU. That’s... the entire point of what the OC brought up. Palpatine finds merely ruling boring, so he sows division and conflict, both in his administration and his empire, in order to have something more to do, because otherwise it’d be pretty boring. And yes, that’s petty, but what da ya want, he is a Sith Lord, knitting isn’t exactly what they are most well known for XD. « typical comic book villains, with cartoonish psychology and motives » YES, EXACTLY ! XD See, we can agree ^^ « Then he just became the cheapest possible comic book villain » Well, actually it’s the other way around ^^ But yeah, basically that’s that. Though technically even in the prequels his motivations, beyond revenge, and maybe a feeling of entitlement, are rather lacking. He doesn’t have a reason to take power except wanting to take power. Which we’re told by him to Maul is to take revenge on the jedi, and get power back in the hands of the sith... But that’s not much. « Yeah, you can say he became even more corrupted by the dark side » Or, as some gentleman who I won’t bother to look the name of, told us the EU hinted at, if not outright stated, you could say that once Palpatine achieved his goal, and left with nothing better to do, he decided to use his power to play sadistically with the people around him. Which honestly isn’t even *that* unrealistic, I could see a sociopath or psychopath doing that. « The emperor [...] is a caricature more than a character » He is more of a trope incarnated than a caricature, but yeah, sure. Hence why the EU had nothing better to offer as an explanation than « he messed with people’s head because once he seized power he was left with nothing better to do ». « Then you hardcore fans » Ha ! The fool think I’m a hardcore fan ^^ No offense here (the « fool » was intentionally over dramatic for humorous purposes, I wasn’t trying to insult you), but I’m not a hardcore fan. I wouldn’t even call myself a fan, I’m just an enthusiast. I have an encyclopedic knowledge of SW, but that’s merely because I find the intellectual exercice of debate stimulating, and because I love to reads wikis, otherwise I only know of the main saga, and played a couple of games like KOTOR, SWTOR, or the force unleashed. Hell, I’ve read wikis about franchise I’ve never even bought anything from, like mass effect. Actually I bought one mass effect book, but it was after I’ve already read wikis about it, and I did it only because it was sci-fi, not because it was Mass Effect. And I regretted buying it -_- Point is, I like the SW saga, but it stops there, I like it. Yeah, I’ve written literally tens of pages about it, but merely because once I bite something, I rarely let it go, and I like to either be right, and have the other come to that understanding, or be corrected, and I won’t cease unless the other cuts the discussion. I could’ve written the same essays about the reproductive habits of Indian ants at 16 o’clock a Tuesday. And no, I’m not interested in that ^^

[@stiffykitsune8233]

"Palpatine didn't get enough cuddles as a child and now he is throwing his toys at the rest of the galaxy" me: **raise finger to say something..... but put it back down**

[@simonpetrikov3992]

In the comics he was actually born that way

[@Dornan77802]

@@simonpetrikov3992 Indeed, he was a born psychopath or something if I recall correctly, and he was considered so unusual in his early years (along with being unable to understand and connect with even his own family) that his father (who was already a shitty person) and other family members were afraid of him. Things were so bad, he had no problem with killing them all at one time through "a ship accident". Also, he apparently was naturally talented with that ability of his where he is able to hide his force signature and stuff that it got his master's (Darth Plageuis) attention. They had met at first through some business that the Naboo had with Plageuis' public persona, and he was able to know right away, that Sheev Palpatine (Sidious) was not normal.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@simonpetrikov3992 "Their sydunctional and excessively cruel sytem guarantees widespread rebellion. Mistakes and Unsubordination become instutionalized!" THATS EXACTLY what i say about the SCP-Foundation, especially when it comes to the Afterlife AND Dr-Bright-Family. Its hilarious how incompetent the Foundation s.

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

I never felt the weakness in the Death Star was a plot hole personally I think given the size of the Death Star the fact that it had an exhaust Port that small was nothing short of an engineering Miracle as it is

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

It had 19 exhaust ports. It's just that one sub-port of 18 sub-ports was the weak point. So, it's even better than expected.

[@FixyFlow]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 exactly!

[@Theroha]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 I actually liked that Rogue One specified that this one weak point was one conscripted engineer sneaking a flaw in hoping that it was small enough to go unnoticed since the thing needed exhaust ports anyway to not blow itself up from internal pressure.

[@AeneasGemini]

an exhaust port that has a straight shot right into the main reactor? I mean really, if they even had a bend in the tube somewhere the rebels would've been fucked. It wasn't just a design flaw, it had to be an intentional flaw otherwise it's ridiculous.

[@logicaldude3611]

@@Theroha They didn't need to retcon that. Every system of any kind has some sort of weakness. The chances of the Rebels hitting that shot were "one in a million." It's like the planes hitting the towers on 9/11, they were specifically designed to withstand that kind of incident but the hijackers just got lucky. No one would say that your skyscrapers falling down from getting hit by a passenger airliner is a "design flaw" or something.

[@aurumvale9908]

these poor guy standing inside the laser must have extremely good life insurances. there's a planet destroying laser beam in spitting distance

[@Patrick2345454]

Hope they donated to their local sperm bank in advance.

[@iamchillydogg]

And there's not even a guardrail to keep them from falling to their death. OSHA would not approve.

[@aurumvale9908]

@@iamchillydogg the supervisor thinks they just gonna lean on it all day, that why there's no guardrails

[@jullienricot930]

wouldn't the heat alone give them Cancer?

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@@jullienricot930 Heat does not give you cancer. Other forms of radiation do that. But then again, getting cancer would at least mean that the guy would not get vaporized or, even worse, cooked alive when that laser fires.

[@puttilepuffie]

Stormtrooper: Honey im home! Wife: How was work today Darling? Stormtrooper: i didnt get a promotion again! Wife: how wonderful my darling :) Kids: DAAAD! Stormtrooper: hey there you lil gungans! Kids: we wanna be a failure like you and never get killed by Vader, dad :) Stormtrooper: oh you guys! The trick is to miss as many shots as possible and ignore the droids you're looking for! The old jedi who hides in public loves it! Kids: YAAAAAY

[@DaleHusband]

Luke Skywalker himself said it best to the Emperor: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." That was actually true of the entire Empire, which is the point of this video. And Palpatine never learned from his mistakes, repeating them in The Rise of Skywalker.

[@unintentionallydramatic]

The main issue of Star Wars is that it was always first and foremost a religious conflict. The Jedi & Sith were both cultists first and statesmen/generals/logicians second.

[@Keckegenkai]

but that excuse goes only so far. Some of these designs have such glaring weakpoints..

[@juliandacosta6841]

​@@unintentionallydramatic to me the jedi and sith are always in the background of the conflicts in star wars. In ep 6 it doesn't matter if luke beats sidious, only that the death star blows up again. In ep 3, even without order 66, sidious has full control of the republic, the only thing they could do is try to assassinate him.

[@unintentionallydramatic]

@@juliandacosta6841 YEs but it's all religiously motivated and Vader was completely right in his speech RE technological terror

[@viscountrainbows2857]

I feel like that could apply to a large chunk of famous villains, fictional and real. It's a general theme that plays out in enough different flavors where it's just up to the writer to make that overconfidence exploit not look copied or trite. The Big Bad nearly always thinks that they have the world in their grasp, and don't account even for the mere _possibility_ of failure, just expenditure and casualties toward their goal.

[@civroger]

"Preferes his apprentice young and subtle" So, Emperor Palpatine is basically a catholic priest.

[@michaelnancyamsden7410]

Perhaps....but not all were in agreement...hence an internal rebellion....

[@DrShaym]

The Death Star is big enough to have a gravity well. That's why the Super Star Destroyer fell toward it.

[@acmenipponair]

I wonder, if this means, that Engineering is also in the bridge dome... and not on the back end, where the drives are. I mean, they should be able to stabilize the ship without the bridge :D

[@patrickivthrowaway7266]

The fighters are just really upset female

[@rurushu8094]

Dr Shaym DADDY SHAYMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[@21Arrozito]

It crashed into the death star for no reason because that's what was in the script.

[@TheJadeFist]

The Super Star Destroyer class ships also are capable of projecting strong gravity wells to prevent ships from entering hyperspace as well as to force ships out of hyperspace, let's just assume some one flipped that on, and didn't think to turn it off in time.

[@thedemonhater7748]

Well, to be fair, the empire DID collapse in a mere 30 years, so it was clearly unsustainable to begin with.

[@christiandauz3742]

Should have collpase in four years The Empire waited a few years before implement the more stupid and fascist ideas

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

Seriously, with the disolution of the senate the only thing keeping all the admirals and moffs in check was the trio of Palpatine, Tharkin and Vader. One of them show up and you are screwed, they disappear and the whole thing crumbles. They did have the ISB in order to root out defection and instill paranoia amongst their officials, the KGB that knocked on your door and sent in an group of soldiers to remove you. None of the soldiers were really loyal to any individuals or the state itself. Only following orders and trying to get by.

[@ryanfranks9441]

Starwars is very childish in it's plot, and the sci-fi elements are weak and unimaginably silly.

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

Yet it left a huge influential impact on films for generations to come.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

Thedemonhater it was meant to defend the galaxy against an extra dimensional alien invasion. All their actions make sense in that context. But Disney didn’t like that...

[@williamstark9568]

Dorkly made a really funny animation about the exhaust port on the Death Star being totally legitimate as a design mechanism and how keeping it that small was an engineering marvel. The real weakness was asserted to be that a boy with space-wizard blood in his veins and the explosive doing A 90 DEGREE TURN against all physics and logic is where the REAL problem was.

[@Thagesthoughts]

The Empire is what got me first wondering why all these evil regimes aren't more pragmatic. Keep your people happy, keep your close advisors content and feeling fulfilled in their work, and come up with a good PR campaign to position yourself as a benevolent force for order and safety in a violent, dangerous galaxy. Don't give people reasons to join the rebellion en masse, don't cripple yourself militarily by encouraging desertion, don't put your upper echelons through massive brain drain by encouraging them to undermine and kill each other in a rat race to earn the most good boy points. That's how you secure all the power and influence as an overlord you could possibly want. You know what's going to cripple the rebel efforts? Forcing them to try to find ways to frame a high standard of living, emotionally- and intellectually-fulfilling work, a national identity that encourages patriotism through being genuinely proud of the system you live under, and orbital defense arrays like the Death Star (which would obviously be renamed) that bring hope to outer systems preyed upon by gangsters, slavers, and warbands, all as a bad thing. You have control of the narrative, point out the Jedi Order's long-standing and well-documented history of ineptitude and dogmatic apathy and how many problems it caused until they finally got a fire lit under their collective ass and worked hard--frame it as them only acting out of self-preservation and the preservation of their power and status, while the Sith came out of hiding to save the galaxy from a failing, bloated, corrupt Republic. These empires need a good PR team and someone whose only job is to point out needless cruelty that's going to handicap the empire's efforts, who has veto authority to override those decisions.

[@editorrbr2107]

You just described most of the history of the Persian empire.

[@skymabile3989]

@@editorrbr2107 Make that every twentieth century dictator's cock-up in a nutshell.

[@viscountrainbows2857]

Basically The Empire needed to create The Matrix, or at least a meatspace take on it. Shower the people with good things and say "See how _cool_ everything is under the Empire?" and bombard them with propaganda that makes them say "Fuck yeah The Empire rules and Rebels drool!" I mean, I know it is silly sci-fi fantasy space opera that is like, painfully Black & White mostly in terms of thematic morality, and we're just nerds nitpicking for fun, but I would like to see an interpretation of the Empire that looks like this. Closest I can think of, funnily enough is a parody series by Auralnauts where the Sith/Empire are just respectable business owners, and the Rebels/Jedi and such are just party animals going around causing a ruckus while doped up on Midichlorians. The prequels had a chance to maybe build on exactly how the Empire came to be tyranny defined as opposed to a well oiled self-sustaining machine of loyalty, however rose-tinted it may be. But then the sequels tell us they're all just brainwashed child soldiers... okeh.

[@OR56]

Basically just make the “Yo dudes, the Empire is pretty chill! You should like, join it or something!” commercial.

[@HardCorePoration]

The Emperor grows stronger in the Dark Side of the Force through the suffering of the Galaxy's inhabitants so keeping people happy is not in his agenda.

[@darthsonic4135]

You’re absolutely right. That’s why the Empire canonically fell in a few decades. This doesn’t break the story the way your other examples do bro, as it’s literally a plot point.

[@vadernation1233]

Exactly. I think a video on the sith would’ve been more fitting. They’ve made a dozen of these empires and they never work out. The sith never learn.

[@austinfigueroa4851]

I think its a stretch to say it was designed to fall canonically. That sort of defeats the entire story of Luke helping the rebels overthrow the Empire. We’re given the premise that without these incredibly plot-specific factors, the Empire would’ve gone on ruling the galaxy. For it to be a plot point that the Empire was an ineffective and failing ruling force, we would lose all interest in the story of Luke and the rebels as the Empire’s fall would be inevitable, and all suspense and engagement in the story would disappear.

[@Cityweaver]

Literally all of these evil empires are canonically written to fail, Darth Sonic. They are all stories. The writers write big, bad empires with neon sign weakpoints so that vastly under-prepared heroes can defeat them with 3-5 clearly defined battles that work well as set pieces in action stories.

[@darthsonic4135]

@@Cityweaver … Yes? I’m not sure how that contradicts anything I said? The difference between this and the other videos he does is that in those he’s talking about Empires that have somehow existed for centuries or even Millenia, when in reality they shouldn’t have lasted more than a few decades because of all the asinine shit they got up to. In contrast, the Galactic Empire… collapsed in a few decades because of all the asinine shit they got up to.

[@tk-6967]

@@austinfigueroa4851 Operation Cinder? BF2's story was dumb, but it explains that the Empire was supposed to fail. In Tarkin, the Emperor berates Darth Vader for speaking about bettering the Empire. Sidious just wanted to have the resources to gain access to temples, force knowledge, etc. That's what he meant by power. He didn't care about people, that's why he had a humancentric government, he actually wasn't humancentric personally, he wanted to keep species like the light siders of the Kel Dor and the Ithorians as well as Wookies and other species who owed their safety to Jedi.

[@emancoy]

Depressed Stormtrooper "I would just fire at those rebels to give away my position, and miss intentionally, stand out in the open instead of finding cover, and hope these rebels kill me to end my misery."

[@shaneweaver2036]

The hell that is pretty dark that's some 3-day emo s***

[@mattcunningham9235]

Id love to be a suicidal storm trooper.

[@xavier6130]

Actually, stormtrooper uniforms are white and shiny to protect them against lasers (blasters). (It doesn't really help though.)

[@gong63]

Darth Vader being described as a "Woefully unqualified, murderous asshole." was hilarious (and true).

[@Deathshead1923]

To be fair, the Galactic Empire and Emperor Palpatine are basically homages to the kind of genre-blind villain George Lucas would see in the film serials that inspired Star Wars. Palpatine, in particular, is basically Ming the Merciless in a hooded robe.

[@Sir_TophamHatt]

I don’t even have to google “ming the merciless” to know he’s a villain from flash gordon lol

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

That's barely an excuse...

[@DreamersOfReality]

George Lucas lightly based the Empire off of... America, Nazi Germany, etc. The war against the Rebels was explicitly said to be based off of the Vietnam War.

[@zashgekido5616]

@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon It... Isn't though? It means he was always meant to be stupidly ruthless, and considering his grand empire only lasted all of 20 years it kind of reeks of "Well, should've seen that coming".

[@OR56]

@DreamsOfReality It’s supposed to be the Soviet Union.

[@Mithiasgame]

Every time you say Grand Moff, it sounds like you're saying Grandma. Grandma Tarkin is now stuck in my head.

[@officerspider7996]

Lol can you imagine Grandma Tarkin? A little old lady bossing Vader around

[@TheSinisterElf]

Grandma Tarkin would still out maneuver this guy in a space battle and still bake you cookies

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

I think it's on purpose. First he clearly says Grandma Tarkin, then he clals him Tofkin.

[@ballisticm0use72]

Yeah it's dank vaper and grandma toffkin

[@23AlexandreJ]

"the emperor is apparently gone for good" rise of Skywalker: hold my beer

[@Jetblast01]

It's Disney. No one's really gone!

[@ronniejones3475]

The old "hold my beer" line.....

[@manbehindthemask2010]

It should have been ,hold my lightsaber because, you know Star Wars..

[@arandomzoomer4837]

Fuck that movie. Pure nostalgia and a plot that moved at atmospheric reentry speeds.

[@VossMarionette]

Should have been “Hold my green alien titty milk”

[@xenon3990]

The most interesting point about the ties I’ve read is that you cannot land them at all. If you for any reason whatsoever decide to go awol, you can’t get far from either the ISD or the base you’re stationed in. The entire reason the outlander tie from mandalorian exists is because after the fall of the empire, the remnants didn’t want to loose expierienced pilots to problems as not being able to land

[@ethancrenshaw3936]

Well, they could still land on a patch of flat ground away from their base, it’d just be a pain in the ass to get in and out of the damn thing. You’d need some sort of scaffolding get in and out of it or risk falling a dozen feet climbing the panels every time

[@memelord2799]

Also TIEs were initially designed as a naval fighter. Initially, they weren't meant to be operated from ground based stations, however the Empire scrapped too many Republic ship designs and thus had to repurpouse the TIE as a surface fighter as well.

[@AmericanUnionState1824]

The virgin Galactic Empire vs the Chad Imperium of man

[@user-jz8pj4su5f]

"Emperor gone for good" 9th ep.: hold my blue milk, lemme show you some magic

[@InfernosReaper]

And on that day, Shiv Palpatine changed his name to Sosuke Aizen

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

All according to keikaku.

[@mjfan8704]

Let us think about what these vehicles are called: All-Terrain Attack-Transports, All-Terrain Scout-Transports.... Yeah I'm having difficulty seeing how these things are all terrain, because they just aren't. All Terrain would be something like the Republic's AT-TE, or perhaps any land vehicle with hover tech.

[@anubusx]

The ones used in the clone wars seemed more advanced.

[@anubusx]

@Amber Hoke It's as if all the technology in the galaxy went backwards.

[@beathewanderer7418]

@@anubusx I presume you're talking about the AT-TE? From what I know the AT-AT was made to counter the weaknesses of the AT-TE, although it still had weaknesses of its own. AT-ATs should really have been deployed alongside the AT-TEs so they covered each others' weaknesses.

[@anubusx]

@@beathewanderer7418 All the technology in the prequels looks more advanced.

[@quakethedoombringer]

The AT AT and AT ST are literally useless outside of flat terrain. Rocky mountains, floating asteroids, ocean, lava, marshy swamp, etc. can pretty much destroy the chasis of the vehicles If they want the walkers too be all-terrain, they should have made their walkers to resemble real life spiders with flexible (and durable) legs that can scale through any terrain.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

The real sad part about the Empire is most of it's numbers and power came from the Republic, as it's ability to conquer it all. Simply put Sidious just took over the republic through trickery and rode the gravy train for long as it lasted. Population, worlds, technology all of it was better for the most part during the republic and as the movies went on things seemed to get less and less high tech. Some of that is the power of Retcon and making the Prequel trilogies with more money and special effects but still. Even taking over the Republic was pathetically easy as most worlds didn't have a standing army and the Republic as a whole seemed to rely entirely on the jedi for the fighting, a force of a few thousand at best and as order 66 proved most of which not good enough to survive being totally out numbered.

[@scyfrix]

Most worlds didn't have a standing army because they simply didn't need one. They weren't concerned with rebellion, and there weren't other foreign star powers to threaten them. The local Jedi was sufficient to deal with any particularly bad domestic conflicts. And if for some reason something extremely bad did happen, they had the resources of the rest of the Republic to call upon.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Hot take: the thermal exhaust system is not a design error because irl a structure like the death star would need something to release heat and the hole in the death star has a 6'8" wide hole it's infinitesimally small compared to its 160 mile wide diameter

[@Treisiess]

The empire uses weapons of terror to rule by fear. The rebellion uses weapons of war.

[@InfernosReaper]

Alright Colonel O'Neill

[@moritamikamikara3879]

HEY! YOU! IN THE SKIRT! GET THAT _death star_ SWINGING A LITTLE!

[@Treisiess]

@@moritamikamikara3879 lol, nice

[@analkarldervierte1759]

You gave me the heaviest laughing cramps I had in some time for "Dank Vaper" and "Grandma Toffkin". I'm crying of laughing I can't describe it! Have my like

[@gaxanuzi4845]

Have to say "Vader's career conveyor-belt of death" was as good if not better.... Well done to you, sir, well done indeed.

[@HockeyLax50]

Gigachad empire showing up, killing your family, and leaving to never be seen again

[@adelphoi4535]

It has been well noted that the empires biggest downfall was their infatuation with the image of power. It’s in basically every comic. That’s kinda the whole setting point of the sequels

[@TupocalypseShakur]

​@@exaltchrom5617The empire doesn't exist in the sequels

[@leechowning2712]

As to the aversion to killing, that is actually historically accurate. Soldiers interviewed after the first and second world wars shows that normally 75% of solders (especially drafted... Like Storm troopers) honestly were not able to fire their weapons at all. Literally, they did not fire at anyone. Which would explain the famous Storm trooper accuracy. Considering the point you make about the government in general, the likelihood of these troopers to be failures is almost 100%. Good luck.

[@michaelmartin9022]

Militaries today teach "instinctive shooting", using "paintball"-like fake ammo. The idea being to shoot at a 'target' before you even realise it's a person. This must increase friendly fire in close urban situations no end, mind.

[@SolariusLunarius]

Well, it is shown in the very beginning of Episode 4 that stormtroopers have a "paralyze" mode on their guns. If they are that reluctant to actually killing the target, they could easily use the paralyzer beam.

[@kenji214245]

@@SolariusLunarius Yeah a paralyzer that has a 60% percent chance to kill XD

[@SolariusLunarius]

@@kenji214245 Really ? I don't remember that part XD

[@kenji214245]

@@SolariusLunarius I think it says so in the books that where released with the DVD release of the movies. And that they have to instantly check if she actually survived the stun or not points to the risks of using it which makes it even more fun XD

[@drsnova7313]

"Literally, down" - I always figured this is to demonstrate the gravitational pull the Death Star has. But maybe I'm thinking too much about stuff like that....

[@SEDYT358]

That was my thought as well

[@williamhurley2427]

It is both the death star and the moon of endor were pulling the superstar destroyer, hence why it went down as slowly as it did, had it been closer to the moon or the death star it would have gone much faster

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

The reason why they are going down is because Lucas was filming those space battles on black screen ON EARTH, Back then they didnt had CGI

[@windshieldwipers5275]

I hate how he did this without doing enough research of anything. But it still has it's many flaws.

[@jeffreyjohnson3683]

There is gravity in space so the presentation of this as impossible based on "science" in the video is just wrong.

[@lxperron610]

I cant unsee the emperor running a lemonade stand while laughing maniacally every time he sells a cup! 🤣

[@grantt1589]

The Executor probably took hundreds of hits from MC-80s (rebel ship similar to star destroyer) for the sheild to get overwhelmed, then the generator itself was destroyed

[@stargazerspark4499]

Serving in the Imperial Military is like being an officer in the Red Army during the Stalinist Purges.

[@CroatZg]

Exactly! That was the first thing I thought of...

[@wahlex841]

Except with less snitching and more accusations that actually have some basis in reality.

[@Riprake]

In fact, this extended down to the lower ranks as well. One of the characters in the old Legends novel Tales From The Mos Eisley Cantina was an Imperial cadet who'd been promoted to an elite squad of storm troopers that happened to be the one sent down to Tatooine to look for those droids during the events of Episode IV. The reason for his promotion: his exceptional performance during a training simulation. The simulation had him piloting one of those Imperial walkers like we saw on Hoth in Episode V. When it came under attack, he soon realized his walker's underbelly was its weak point, and that it had a huge blind spot down there as well. His solution: have the walker set itself down on the ground so nothing could get under it; its armor everywhere else rendered it effectively invulnerable to attacks from any other direction, so it could easily hold out indefinitely against its attackers while waiting for backup to arrive. As mentioned, the soldier's superiors commended him for his competence and promoted him for coming up with this innovative solution. As it turned out, though, they were effectively kicking him upstairs to keep him from exposing their incompetence. They never told any of their superiors, colleagues, or underlings anything about this vulnerability and how to compensate for it, because nobody wanted his superiors to hear him relaying the bad news that the walkers were badly designed and therefore a massive waste of the military's budget. Hence, this conspiracy of silence from frightened Imperial officers who didn't dare to deliver bad news to their superiors was greatly to blame for those walkers' incredibly poor performance during the Battle of Hoth in The Empire Strikes Back.

[@bonzos9305]

P Sher Fun Fact: George Lucas wrote the script somewhat in response to Vietnam. Also the Empire is designed to have that space Nazi aesthetic. And the Death Star can be read as a Nuke in our world. I’m sure there are some similarities with the USSR too in there. Ruthless militarism really is a bitch. Make love not war brothers.

[@evanmcc99]

Haruno Cáleon what, that doesn’t make any sense. Do you even know anything about Israel. As for not being comparable to nazis, how is it that different. It’s isn’t comparable to the USSR due to that fact that everything was owned by the government and people didn’t actually own anything of their own. As for the empire being similar to the United States I don’t even see how. Seriously you can’t just say that without and reasoning. The USA isn’t trying to conquer the world outside of the bush administration we haven’t tried to openly seek out war.

[@Yolaak]

I want that lemon stand Palpatine as my desktop wallpaper.

[@MediaZealot]

You can download it as a level 1 patron on the Media Zealot page, or else email me [e-mail] and I will send it your way. Thanks for watching :)

[@Yolaak]

Came to support, stayed for the memes. Love my new wallpaper! :)

[@MediaZealot]

Thanks so much Yolaak! Feel free to make other requests in the future :)

[@bernieeod57]

Sith master to apprentice: "You're it until you die or I find someone better!" Apprentice to master: "You have my absolute loyalty until I become powerful enough to kick your ass!"

[@garrick3727]

"The Empire employs overarching ideological strategies that immediately alienate vast sections of their own citizenry." Yeah, that would never happen in the real world 2021.

[@Aredel]

I can’t see any 1st world countries having a political system that essentially divided the entire country in half since its inception.

[@lumbagoboi1649]

Lmao this guy is acting like a government that pisses off it's citizens would never work and is not logical existing. Starwars is pretty realistic in how the separatists, republic, empire, new republic all sucked and life for people barely improved from one government to another

[@sabir1208]

😂 facts

[@robbieaulia6462]

At least in the Star Wars universe, humans are still the dominant species in terms of number. It's not something that hasn't been done throughout history.

[@lufsolitaire5351]

That’s the thing, that’s literally every totalitarian regime with Darwinistic tendencies. That various departments and ministries are all vying for control and undercutting each other to suck up to the big kahuna; who designed it that way so no group unionizes enough to become a threat. Corruption is rife and the whole system surprisingly stays afloat at despite its many inefficiencies. Happened in Germany, happened in Russia, China, North Korea, etc.

[@BobSmith1980.]

One of the first rules of movie making is if it crashes, falls, tips over or slightly bumps something else, it needs to blow up in a massive exploding fireball of carnage

[@pirateman1144]

Including people bumping into each other on the street.

[@BobSmith1980.]

@@pirateman1144 that would be fun, I'd watch it

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

Just as all cars in Hollywood run on atomic gasoline that results in a massive fireball if you so much as touch another car.

[@stevenbean9731]

*taps TIE fighter* *explodes and takes out the entirety of Gary, Indiana*

[@pianoman1379]

Maybe Bill Gates had a hand in this?

[@mrfrog3876]

Considering that Aldaraan was a wealthy Inner Rim Planet the Empire probably also destroyed a major source of their own income on top of proving that loyalty isn't safety and at the same time giving anyone from the planet within their ranks a personal reason to despise them.

[@arthas640]

I think i remember reading in the books that Aldaraan was chosen because it was so disloyal. Aldaraan had a long history of being very democratic and free, so they were opposed to the empire from day one with the first people founding the rebellion being from Aldaraan and proving many of the soldiers and funding for the rebellion in addition to helping to run it. From the empire's point of view Aldaraan was valuable but also a lynchpin in the rebellion, so they figured destroying it would send a message. If you look up the "Tarkin Doctrine" you'll see how it lined up with the empires plan.

[@mrfrog3876]

@@arthas640 The other side of that being that much like the other Core Worlds Aldaraan gave a lot of income to the empire and we have many instances of Imperials from Aldaraan becoming... significantly less loyal to the empire after the incident... and as it was not in open revolt it they basically just shot themselves in the foot out of spite... blowing up one of your own planets especially when its not in open revolt is more likely than not going disrupt loyalty not encurage it... nevermind that the loss of revenue hits much harder when your plan relies on heavy militarization.

[@anierinllyfael9740]

Also I believe I remember reading in the lore that Alderaan was sort of like the cultural heart of the galaxy. Destroying it although they may have thought would scare others into submission really only served to further radicalize their enemies and put the seed of rebellion in otherwise loyal citizens.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

I think the video put it best, the people in power a select few politicians and the like were basically against the empires and rebels. The common citizen of Aldaraan was probably not. After all people living comfortable and peaceful lives, seeing little more than the best sides of the empire had little reason to rebel. A far better play would of been to execute the ruling class under some believable but trumped up charge. Or have them assassinated... they were sith remember? Hard to prove how some one died to the force if choked a galaxy away. Then leave the world mostly alone, just take it's resources and possibly use it as a pleasure/resort world. Send the most loyal Empire citizens there as a reward and over time it's the carrot to the stick of the rest of the empire. Do good and you get to live on Aldaaran, do poorly and well... Edit: and If you need a world to blow up to prove the power of the Death Star (not that I think you do, simply a space platform that big is pretty scary ignoring the planet destroying lasers) Just blow up some truly rebel or out law world you can't control but has little to no resources. Like say Tatooine or something. Place filled with Huts and other pirate scum who won't bow to the empire either.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@JustaGuy_Gaming what they should have done is demonstrate the death stars power on an uninhabited planet, film it, and broadcast it all over the holonet

[@everlastingdragon4520]

The problem with ruling with fear is that everyone is too afraid to point out the flaws in the system, even if those flaws threaten to destroy the kingdom/nation/organization/corporation/whatever that contain them.

[@HermitKing731]

1 quadrillion people yet it feels so small considering everyone just bumps into each other.

[@Weaponsandstuff93]

Most of these mistakes were pretty common in the real Soviet Union and Nazi Germany as well.

[@iannordin5250]

The wonky command structure and corruption within the empire were based on the Nazis' own

[@k_tess]

@@iannordin5250 "Our encryption is literally impossible to crack. Just PLEASE stop setting the passkey to be your dog's name. AND STOP SENDING THE FUHRER ENCRYPTED 'HAPPY BIRTHDAY' LETTERS."

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

which one? ns regime just had the most retarded approach to logistics, they were actualy quite succesful at recruiting the local populations, the communists well they actualy had to employ women in their armed forces because they started to run out of men

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

@@k_tess ok i get that

[@enskje]

And neither of them exists today.

[@Historyfan476AD]

the first death star was quite well built actually. I mean one tiny exhaust port for a station that large is a technical achievement and without the force no one could make that shot work. in legends the empire did have women in its ranks actually.

[@Enchie]

Madman Loves Power And in cannon as well.

[@Historyfan476AD]

that is good. at least they kept that.

[@Historyfan476AD]

yeah technically it is a heat port to remove heat from the station.

[@Enchie]

Madman Loves Power They do need some way to let some heat out.

[@Historyfan476AD]

I know I was commenting that the death star's design which only had one heat port would be classed as in genius.

[@BossMan-yu1og]

you clearly missed the episode of cops where lukes aunt and uncle got into a domestic altercation and blew themselves up with a thermal detonator.

[@sirpretzel822]

Golden comment right here

[@symantares9171]

Honestly "necessary design flaw that we thought we'd compensated for" does sound a lot better than "we let an obvious potential rebel have way too much autonomy then failed to follow up"

[@HickoryDickory86]

"The Empire are lucky [Galen] didn't rig the Death Star to blow when it busted its first nut." Hahahaha One of the best sentences in this whole series… if not all of KZbin!

[@foxesnroses]

The Empire is like working for Walmart , lol

[@zanemob1429]

Yeah those guys love genocide.

[@deathincluded3706]

Just an FYI The death star was so massive, it could have rotated around its axis even at low speeds and still generate enough gravity that any unpowered ship or ship that lost propulsion near it could fall into it

[@NidotheKing]

These movies taught me to never put all your eggs in one basket. Making a shitload of Star Destroyers would have been way more effective than having one big Deathstar.

[@Spooglecraft]

thrawn approves of this comment

[@doclightning4360]

It's amazing that the death star flaw could have been remedied by a 5 dollar mesh screen from Menards.

[@raven4k998]

oh common after the emperor defeated the Jedi he became a total dumbass which is why everything after that was big and powerful with big weak spots like that hole for a fighter to fly in and kill the main reactor

[@Katakuri1B57]

@@raven4k998 to be fair that’s explained in rouge. The maker of the death star intentionally left that in so the death star could be destroyed

[@kiprandom7208]

The challenger was downed by 1 cent O ring

[@raven4k998]

@@Katakuri1B57 aww how cute your defending the emperor that's a good boy yes you are here have a nice treat for being the emperors pet good boy but he's still stupid cause why make another death star with the same basic flaw as the first a hole that can leave the reactor open for a ship to fly in and attack it plus he had evidence that he chose to ignore that the death star had a flaw in it's design and figured eh it can't be that big of a deal no ones smart enough to exploit it and Boom the death stars both of them exploded from rebel attacks before he wiped out the jedi he was manipulating to get his way and control everything after he just used brute force which failed shows how stupid he became when he lost the ability to do simple manipulation of others to get his way

[@OtterTreySSArmy]

@@raven4k998 holy hell you're dense, the DS1s original weak spot was only there because(in Legends), they needed a way to cool the absolutely insane main reactor of the Death Star and that single exhaust port was calculated to be the most efficient way to do it while minimizing possible issues(less holes that things could go wrong with). DS2 has the ship sized hole because it wasn't finished yet. If you couldn't figure that out there's no saving you, but they were actually addressing that singular larger hole by having tons of much smaller holes spread out across the whole station.

[@mr.wizard9785]

I always assumed The Death Star was massive enough to exert a gravitationally attractive force on the super star destroyer.

[@jamesperkins191]

That's true. As a side effect of internal artifical gravity, ppj3ct from outside get pulled in too. It's also how the dumb bombs at the start of The Last Jedi worked - artificial gravity on the target essentially make them self-guiding

[@noone.3532]

I reckon that Director Krenic and Grandma Tarkin are emotionally invested in the empire, their role in it, and their ability to create fear in underlings as control. I think their characters are similar in that they believe that fear can instsill loyalty. While the rebels are packed with boarder line suicidal people who'd rather die than live in fear of Tarkin etc. So they're not going to check Urso is setting things up to go boom easy as hitting a wamp rat with a proton torpedo cause he'd be too afraid to.

[@alessiobenvenuto5159]

The cover of "Star Wars Retcon 2" is genius

[@fl00fydragon]

bigger balls now with multi shot ~aaah~ art

[@TheDragonfriday]

fl00fydragon you should install all of the multishot mods and try to get yourself 100% status with corrosive with blast damage. Baby you got yourself a god weapon on your finger tips. ( warframe ) Ninja play for free

[@Nonsense010688]

About Tie pilots: the joke is, they are suppose to have elite training... which is a bit strange, since why would one spend next to nothing on the fighter itself only to then put in very hard trained pilots, which of course rarely become hard trained experience pilots, because well... you gave them garbage fighters with no suitability features what so ever.

[@gabriel300010]

Their "training" is a fruit of propaganda, the whole empire is just a huge power trip

[@christiandauz3742]

Lazy and Corrupt Racist American Cops are better trained than Stormtroopers

[@videogamebomer]

Christian Dauz The hell do Americans have to do with this

[@christiandauz3742]

American Cops are notorious for their horrible aim and bad training The fact they are more lethal than Stormtroopers SPEAK VOLUMES!

[@maarten9272]

Christian Dauz I don't know where you got your information, but here in the rest of the world no one has ever said that US cops are bad at shooting. The fact that your name is Christian Dauz speaks volumes.

[@williamozier918]

for both the Jedi and Sith the phrase "your destiny" literally means "Well, it's what I want you to do." Basically the same with the phrase "I have forseen it."

[@christ1666]

Minus the "ancient cult of space wizards," Star Wars is a masterful satire of actual totalitarian regimes that were indeed too stupid to survive. Just Imagine Heinrich Himler force choking fools...or trying to find a doctor for Stalin the week after he had every every doctor in Moscow shot or sent to a labor camp.

[@TheLukas135]

Star Wars: Smart enough to trick spacetime with hyperdrives but too dumb for a good targeting system and autocannons ^^

[@christiandauz3742]

I didn't see 25k Star Destroyers on either Hoth or Endor That alone proves how unrealistically stupid the Empire and Star Wars is

[@TheLukas135]

the star wars galaxy is huge, there are thousands of planets and facilities under imperial control, everything needs its protection and presence of star destroyers for oppression. Or otherwise the galactic empire would collapse like the roman empire did.

[@christiandauz3742]

Unlike the Roman Empire, Palpatine created the enemies that caused his downfall

[@TheLukas135]

the roman empire was also brought down from within their own ranks by corrupt senators and rebellions

[@parallax7789]

Well, with the tools and money went into both Death Stars, they could've easily just put more money into more Star Destroyers and produce thousands more. Or even make better TIE fighters.

[@FireOccator]

Sidious didn't follow the rule of two. He follow the rule of himself.

[@nenmaster5218]

"Their sydunctional and excessively cruel sytem guarantees widespread rebellion. Mistakes and Unsubordination become instutionalized!" THATS EXACTLY what i say about the SCP-Foundation, especially when it comes to the Afterlife AND Bright-Family. Its hilarious how incompetent the Foundation s.

[@johngoldwood6547]

Imagine what would have happened if Thrawn and Palleon had been in charge.

[@johnfields9669]

That obi bleep was absolutely hilarious "you don't need to see his bleep"

[@boxtank5288]

Didn't help that Palpatine made the Empire so it would ONLY work if he's still in command.

[@arandomzoomer4837]

He was petty like that.

[@TheBayzent]

I've heard this many times, but the Empire does have a clear structure of command with the Moffs, who have their own personal armies, so at worst the realistic aftermath of Sheev's death would be something akin to the Diadochi after Alexander...

[@arandomzoomer4837]

@@TheBayzent I think there was a civil war between the moffs.

[@hydrolito]

After Atilla the Hun died his sons fought against each other and his empire quickly fell apart.

[@ssgtsimmons2327]

Box Tank! Empire would have most likely stayed together if they had more of an Oligarchy type government

[@hostergaard]

My headcannon for Galen Erso sneaking in weaknesses without oversight is that the whole Death Moon project was so massive and complicated that only a genius of unparalleled levels would have the mental powers to understand the project well enough to catch the design flaws (Not withstanding that the flaw as simple was a tube straight to the reactor core, but perhaphs is was one of many snuck in there and overlooked cause of the sheer difficulty of getting in a good attack). That is, it required a one in a trillion level genius to be able to design and hence catch the flaw in the the design. They let him have free reign because they had no other choice, only he knew the project well enough and could develop the plans, they had to follow his plans or risk it not working. And with the Emperor and Vader breathing down their necks, they probably did not want to interrupt the project to go trough his designs opting to believe he was a beaten man and hoping for the best. In this it shows the incompetence that tyranny and fear breeds. you blindly follow orders cause deviating means punishment, sometimes even when the devation leads to success.

[@freetoplayking7362]

fun fact: someone actually noticed the flaw and sent a report pointing it out, unfortunately, it was buried under other beaurecratic reports and thus the flaw stayed

[@TheRealE.B.]

@@freetoplayking7362 Nah, the quality control team just pointed out a few typos in the plan labels to make it look like they were doing something and then called it a day.

[@NidotheKing]

The Empire is a shining example that with some jobs, it's best if your boss doesn't even know your name. At least then you know you aren't on their radar.

[@toddnolastname4485]

I think the ghost of Obiwan was guiding the bomb to the Death Star's core. Actually, Princess Leia was stupid. She knew the Empire let them get away (not sure when that plan came to be). Yet she flies straight back to the rebel base on a ship that has a tracker. And she shouldn't know the location of the rebel base. She's too high a target. Someone lower down and random should be the only person who knows where the base is. That guy we're watching just before the fight. Leia would only have a contact somewhere who could contact someone who can send someone who knows to rendezvous with her.

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

You should definitely do one about the Imperium of Man in Warhammer 40k. If you think the Galactic Empire is cruel to the point of stupid self-destruction, well... Though the Eldar, Dark Eldar, Necrons and probably the Tau deserve to be in that list too.

[@charles2703]

That’s too easy, it was set up as a joke

[@concept5631]

Nah the Tau is pretty stable.

[@dutchmansmine9053]

​@@concept5631 Apart from killing everyone who disagrees with them. But compared to everyone else in 40k, yeah they're alright.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Grand Moff Tarkin is forever Grandma Toffkin. From this day forward it shall be decreed.

[@jessebest5961]

The Empire: we found out this guy deliberately made a serious design flaw on our biggest weapon and now it's destroyed because of it. What do we do? Build another one but make the flaw 10x bigger so that a ship can fly through it.

[@fruitylerlups530]

To be fair, Darth Vader and all the others though it was a stupid idea, but the Emperor is literally a freaking psycho maniac.

[@leemcdonald1342]

I still believe the United Federation of Planets should have its own episode. (And I'm a diehard Trekkie.)

[@MultiWeb23]

Biggest problem in star wars: No one has C A M E R A S

[@Thundarr995]

Yeah, They don't even have anything like Smart phones or even the internet. 🤣🤣 But just about everyone has space ships and they can go planet hopping. And they have a robots. Some of them look like a McDonald's trash can.🤖🤖

[@jzirani]

Where the Instagram

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

They have Holonet though.

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@Thundarr995 they do have some version of a galactic internet but i cant remeber the name and im pretty sure basically everything got locked down on once the empire took over so the rebels couldnt use it to organize

[@garywhite5641]

@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 and datapads

[@jarkoer]

Still scratching my head on how was the exhaust port on the Death Star was a design flaw. You have a huge piece of machinery powered by a reactor that operates on some kind of fuel. Fuel gets expended as it's used, and so there's going to be some "waste" that needs to be expelled. Hence the exhaust port which pushes stuff OUT of the Death Star. To top it off, the exhaust port was actually curved 90 degrees at the top. You had a jedi in training shoot a torpedo that was able to follow the 90 degree curvature of the exhaust port and push against all the miles of waste gas that is pushing AWAY from a super powerful reactor. That torpedo that took down the Death Star went against several laws of physics. If anything the real flaw here was that the torpedo had tons of "plot armor".

[@archer9480]

Yeah, people are all too quick to dismiss that in order to take advantage of the death star's "weakness", it only requires that a pair of high explosives need to be fired by a space wizard with main protagonist-level plot armor. As a side note, people also like to give the storm troopers crap about being useless and unable to hit a barn from the inside, but every single time they are shown fighting anything that isn't covered in plot armor, it ends as an extremely one-sided battle in the storm troopers' favor. Not to mention that while their armor seems to made of plastic, I would still rather go into a fight wearing that over the rebel's choice of a leather vest with an oversized bicycle helmet.

[@staplesdex2]

I give you a link explaining that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5jGg6p9ebCootk

[@mordirit8727]

Reasonable, but... Everything that has an engine that produces waste has an exhaust port. Correct. Now tell me, if you were to throw a small stone up a car's exhaust pipe, would you expect said stone to travel 100% unhindered all the way to the motor's pistons? For crying out loud there is BS shielding technology in this universe that allows all matter except for weapon blasts to pass freely through it, how doesn't this exhaust pipe in the Death Star have at least _one_ separate shield system from the rest of the structure? For that matter, why would they _ever_ build it as a straight line? And what kind of fucking absurd engine are they using, where fuel combustion (or fission or fusion or whatever they are doing) takes place in an entirely open chamber? Because the _only_ type of vehicle where fuel usage _and_ exhaustion need to happen in the same place would be a propulsion based vehicle... But I don't _think_ the Death Star moves by firing a jet of flames... I don't think anyone questions the existence of an exhaust port; the mind blowing stupidity of how said exhaust port was designed, however, is much harder to accept.

[@devin5201]

What Mordirit said

[@VaeVictisXIII]

tbh if you invest what amounts to nearly a planets worth of resources into a single military asset and you build ONE exhaust, that has no redundancies nor features to prevent foreign debris, weapons, etc to enter it? Even if you need a space wizard to fire the torps, the design is fucking insanely stupid. If an airplane has 5 redundancies for example for every feature, why would you build a fucking moon without thinking about safety, damage control and redundancies. Empire should of just build large fleets of SD and garrisoned key systems that controlled galactic resources with overwhelming force. No need for heavy empire policing when all the food, fuel and materials is under lock and key by the largest armada in the galaxy. Empire stupid fam.

[@joshuadaugherty5548]

I like the prequel movies mostly. What introduced me to the series has a child is my dad taking me to see The Phantom menace. That movie will always have a special place in my soul.