Advanced Sci-fi Civilisations Too Stupid To Really Exist Ep.11 - The Heptapods

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[@carlosrivas1629]

7:53 i know your a wanker and do not know but in America, we have first amendment protection so a soldier can watch what he wants wanker, seriously, i genuinely feel sorry for you, BBC is pretty much CNN, Sad.

[@Arrogan28]

@@carlosrivas1629 Media Zealot i think Carlos meant to say he also watches far right lunatics and is also planning to do something violent and insane and is taking his anger out on you for not understanding his insanity...

[@carlosrivas1629]

@@Arrogan28 WTF?

[@carlosrivas1629]

@@Arrogan28 do not trust BBC and do not pay your license feel, its not worth it.

[@davidt8087]

You love using clips from "tattoo", "meld", "alter ego", "resistance". All from seasons 2 and 3 and my favorite episodes

[@Therealpresidentobama]

The giant squids just have to write a school report on us

[@solidtank7957]

It was all a Jacob's Ladder scenario.

[@adamgray1753]

Their report on Humanity just so happens to say, "They're all loco, man!" -- to be read with a Mexican accent.

[@Red-S-267]

Honestly just seems like a bunch of nitpicks coming from someone that doesn’t understand what actually happens in the film

[@PongoXBongo]

@@Red-S-267/videos First time on this channel?

[@Red-S-267]

PongoXBongo yes actually.... which is weird to actually answer yes for once

[@That80sGuy1972]

Plot Twist: The Heptapods are pan-dimensional time trolls who are just bored.

[@Peusterokos1]

I do support the idea that they are pan-dimensional.

[@loganshaw9198]

I always find it odd when humans try to interact with aliens of a different time scale or a different perception of time.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

What the fuck is pan dimentional? Is there a pan dimention?

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@spinosaurusstriker They occupy all dimensions, as opposed to humans which can only occupy 4.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@ShadeSlayer1911 makes sense.

[@emersonmontgomery8026]

Its like discovering a completely unknown tribe in the Amazon and expecting them to develop total fluency in English in a year lmao

[@alwaysonyourtail2563]

to be fair. trying to set up communication would be the first thing anyone in the world would try to do. second miscommunication would be expected so even if we thought the other race said something like "your everything is ours and ours alone" jumping the to attacking would not be even the fifth reaction. i look at "mars attack" as a more reasonable contact attempt.

[@OsirisLord]

Literally I show up. Throw a book and them and say "Figure this out".

[@SmartassX1]

@@OsirisLord In the old timy times the west european explorers actually did at times throw a bible at some remote tribes and attempt to command them to figure it out.

[@TheObsidianX]

SmartassX1 and did that ever actually work?

[@somedudeok1451]

Normally, I would agree. But they have seen that, even though this course of events seems weird, it does inevitably lead to the desired outcome. If the Heptopods forsee that something will lead to the humans helping their species in the future, then they'll do that thing, no matter how tight the situation gets or if one of them dies. In the end it doesn't matter if the result stays the same.

[@Castodas]

We were ALL wrong. The Heptapod message was for the Dolphins!

[@adamgray1753]

Dang!! And the dolphins all left the planet just a week earlier! At least the dolphins were nice enough to leave behind a great song thanking us for all the fish. So there is that.

[@kevincrady2831]

They'll be back in few hundred years demanding to know where the whales went.

[@adamgray1753]

With any luck, @@kevincrady2831, we will have a hardy space ship crew will foolhardy time travel a few decades into *our* future. Sure, they will have a mighty roughly ninety minute long adventure. That will make for an amazing read in their Star Dated logs. In the end they will save Humanity, but doom a humpback whale to an eternity of crippling anxiety and loneliness just to solve Humanity's immediate crisis! Yay for desperate human thinking processes! lol

[@teomaster32]

so long so long so long ...

[@joeschmoe3815]

Underrated Comment!

[@somedudeok1451]

Well, you kinda delivered your own counter argument there. The Heptopods are able to see possible future outcomes and to them *any* path that leads to the desired outcome is one they'll set in motion. They likely didn't care how tight the situation gets or if one of them dies, as long as the chosen course of action somehow leads to the humans saving their species somewhere down the line. Now, maybe there might have been more optimal paths to be chosen. But in the end, what would it matter, if the outcome is desirable??

[@ikochomi3070]

I agree.

[@TheBNCyo]

yeah, this video doesn't make much sense at all

[@kabob0077]

So they essentially have the ability pull either an Eldar Farseer or Contessa.

[@MadameMinty]

I'd say there aren't any more optimal paths. The consequences visible in the movie are likely insignificant compared to consequences heptapods observed over the next thousands of years. Maybe if one of them doesn't die, humans don't feel guilty enough to develop a desirable diplomatic relationship with heps.

[@DerGuteHut]

You are right..but having protagonist who can see the future and therefor all of his actions are somehow justified is...kind of lazy writing....and I say that even If I liked the movie...but more the atmosphere and the tension of actually discovering and trying to understand an Alien race...which is more interesting than just shooting them.

[@brennanhearn6342]

I loved how the physicist in the group was the one person to fall on his face getting into the alien ship. Something about that just makes sense to me.

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

lol

[@InsideJobUSSS]

You've got to do the humans in Battlestar Galactica universe.

[@XavierAncarno]

No, The cylons

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

Who is worse, the humans or the Cylons?

[@XavierAncarno]

@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 both are equally stupid in BSG universe.. but that the reason why we love them

[@DS-tv2fi]

Daniel Garrett YOU FRAKING TOASTER!

[@williamharper6625]

The Humans 1. Slow to realize a threat is coming. There where many signs that an invasion was eminent. But they allowed distractions. 2. Allowing politics to take priority or an existential threat. 3. Xenophobia. Yes the human race needs to exercise full caution but the phobia can lead to a autoimmune disorder. 4. Not having a backup plan. They are looking for Earth but never thought what if that dose not workout leading to nihilism. 5. Abusing there labor force. Whether it is Cylons or humans they abose there labor force to a point of rebellion. Cylon A bad democracy. The democracy is for a small minority leaving out others. This leads to not having full insight on decision making. It also lead to uprisings and infighting. 2. Misanthropy, the Cylons won their freedom from the human race. But then they invaded anyways. They could built there own worlds and even have the physiology to inhabit worlds human cannot. But they allowed there hatred to get the best of them. 3. But still mimicking humans. The Cylons can take anyform. But they chosen Human and even have their failings. And if reason is there were "there good traits to take" they can still take those traits and discard everything else. 4. Not taking preparation to there means of responing and reproductions. That allowed there one means of reproductions to get close and destroyed by the humans and not making a backup. 5. To concerned with being "right" over effective. They allow there pride get in there way to find opportunities to properly solve problems. Like diplomacy.

[@SnifyWisper]

Their language is what you get when you combine the Matroan alphabet with a Rorschach test.

[@louissteyn6871]

And coffee stains

[@charlescole1766]

TOHUNGA!

[@McSenkel]

Meaningless gibberish?

[@kabob0077]

@@McSenkel At least Matoran can be used as a viable writing system.

[@JD-bk4zi]

And alcohol, lots and lots of alcohol

[@PKAmedia]

Future squids, smart enough to master time manipulation. Not smart enough to master how to educate people. Teachers: * laughs in depressed smug *

[@somedudeok1451]

But they did it. They achieved their goal of setting humanity on a path to help them in the future. How the path looks like that achieves the goal is irrelevant, as long as it does. Why would they care if the situation gets tight or if one of them dies, as long as the end result stays the same?

[@jamesm783]

@@somedudeok1451 That's the logic of 40k's imperial guard at least

[@somedudeok1451]

@@jamesm783 Which is an interstellar civ just like the heptopods are. Also, we don't know how their precognition works. Maybe there are literally infinite ways to achieve their goal and they just couldn't be bothered to dissect each one and judge "how good" it achieves that goal.

[@cortster12]

@@somedudeok1451 They achieved their goal because it was in the script, not because their methods were smart.

[@darkstar932]

@@cortster12 This species is a weak one to rip apart. Making a horrible mess of first contact and being too stupid to exist are not the same thing at all. I guess he's moved away from his criticism of them being able to exist. Regardless of how flawed their method, why would they care as long as it works?

[@lukasimundza7741]

The Heptapods perceive time different from us, so they already knew they would be successful. Why would the need to change anything in their approach?

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

To be successful faster and more easily?

[@lukasimundza7741]

@@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei The concept of time doesn't exist for them so there is no need to be "faster". And more easily? They just float around in a tank.

[@Victor-qu9sh]

I think they can perceive time in a way that they see different timelines, so probably what happened is that they saw a timeline where they were successfull, so, to achieve the events from this timeline they needed human help. I don't know but that's what I think

[@WaddyMuters]

It’s made up. The “successful turn of events” is the one the writers come up with. The script writers didn’t look into a crystal ball and had a vision of a parallel universe. They didn’t sit down and where like: “Man that’s a stupid convoluted turn of events, but that’s what happened and that’s how we are forced to write the story!” If the story is stupid and convoluted it’s stupid and convoluted because the writers chose to write it in a stupid and convoluted way. That is it.

[@hideousruin]

@@WaddyMuters Give us an outline of the ideal path they could have taken...

[@barrybend7189]

Meanwhile Zentradi from Macross: takes the time to learn earth's languages.

[@claytopolis]

you ever think about how attack on titan is just robotech but in a different time period? giant humanoid enemies that humans have to fight with special technology

[@dareka9425]

And every agent they sent to infiltrate Macross fell in love with human culture.

[@mollof7893]

@@claytopolis yes AoT is a mecha anime

[@chucheeness7817]

I mean, I love Macross but I'd also love to see Media Zealot roast the heck out of the Zentradi lol

[@barrybend7189]

@@chucheeness7817 I'm all for that. But Macross 7 kinda does it already. The Mentradi fleet turned to a bunch of groupies and every zentradi otaku character.

[@magicalsealand5076]

The one good thing about Covid-19 is that all the best creators have more time to make videos

[@ayylmaoh6280]

Magical Sealand I hope your wearing a mask and gloves while typing this comment

[@magicalsealand5076]

@@ayylmaoh6280 oh... Darn......

[@nathanjora7627]

Magical Sealand True, if it lasts a decade, maybe E;R and Mauler will be halfway through making their next videos ^^

[@cruelbritannia4056]

The good thing about Covid 19 is that the script writers have enough time on their hands now to actually write something realistic in this day and age of retarded movie plots.

[@nathanjora7627]

Johnnie Walker ... Except maybe in the episode on starship trooper, when did he throw far left politics anywhere ? (We’re talking about media zealot, right ?)

[@129das]

Lets be honest if they wanted to talk to us, why land in greenland. Like 30 people live there.

[@tach5884]

You have to start in Greenland. They close their port the moment they see trouble starting.

[@loganshaw9198]

Well we are going to centralized where we land so someone has to show up.

[@efxnews4776]

Or in Venezuela? Seriously... Maduro will just blame US and start shoting on the aliens ships, then he will blaime US again...

[@loganshaw9198]

@@efxnews4776 was odd the Chinese wanted to destory the aliens normally it is the Americans first. Being from the US I so want to face palm Everytime.

[@efxnews4776]

​@@loganshaw9198 Is "odd"? How "odd"? Seens to me that this is China standart procedures in the recent months... Take control of HK, theat to invade Taiwan, cut access to other countries seas like Philipines, Vietam... Send fleets fishing boats to fish in coasts of countries in the other side of the world like Equador... China isn't even close to be "peaceful"...

[@jorgeshaft1483]

But if they can predict the future, it's entirely possible they did run through every scenario and decided the one used in the movie was the best one despite getting one of them killed and causing massive confusion.

[@kauske]

Exactly, every other scenario might have gotten all of them killed, or 2, 3 or 4 killed, or none of them, but thein their end goal failed. IF you want to pick on something, pick on the fact that it uses non-liniar time, which makes it a sort of boring movie retrospectively, which is the flaw with most time travel/precognition stuff.

[@AkamiChannel]

Exactly. The author of this video either doesn't get that basic concept or pretends not to.

[@dazm901]

@@AkamiChannel he explains this in the video, try watching properly before complaining.

[@LIlFro-]

this one comment refutes the entire video

[@Hirome_Satou]

@@LIlFro- No it doesn't. You need explain why the aliens speaking in an understandable language would lead to some kind of catastrophe, not just say "they just knew because future prediction". That kind of lazy reasoning means that the author could just write literally anything and hand wave any issues with "the aliens just knew this was how it needed to happen."

[@anticarrrot]

Alt: There is no free will, the future is completely set, and the aliens know this, and they just have the ability to read the entire script all at once.

[@adamgray1753]

Pretty much! Find out that they got their entire script from Zeus and his fellow gods and goddesses. Humanity is in denial about the entire thing.

[@zackthebongripper7274]

Go to Theoria Apophasis's channel. And search for his metaphysics videos.

[@5h0rgunn45]

That's more or less the message I got out of it too.

[@z3dar]

I prefer an explanation that the bony-hand aliens, who presumably live/understand/read time fluidly, try to influence their species outcome with as small changes as possible. They make actions very slowly and methodically, always keeping that goal in another time in their minds eye, much like morty and his time crystal in Rick and Morty. The world of precog morty was only deterministic for that one goal morty kept in his mind: Jessica taking care of Morty by the end of his life. Rest of the universe could still go whatever way, but that one goal will happen as long as morty keeps heading towards that time and place. It could be that the universe ceases to exist a minute after morty's goal, but it can't happen before that if morty is following his path. Because affecting time is complicated and more of an art than an exact science, it's best to make the changes that get you to your goal as small as possible. For example: The bony hand-aliens first sent one ship to a random direction that seems to predict their chance of survival; on the way they see their survival goal blurring and notice that sending multiple ships makes the goal clearer, except after 12 when it plummets. So they travel randomly forward towards a higher chance of species survival with a group of 12. They don't necessarily know what they are doing or that one of them will die by explosion etc, but they know after the explosion whether it affected their chances of survival thousands of years later. Maybe it did affect the chance and rising higher with the ships seemed to be enough to keep the matters on course to their survival.(=Do nothing else, since the goal is happening). This way every living thing still has their free will, including the bony-hands, and will alter the course of time, but most of them in miniscule ways. It's still pretty annoying way to explain stupid events/designs/actions, but at least this kind of "minimal predictive actions for a positive future outcome" -approach would explain their dumb static first contact while still keeping the rest of the whole universe from being fully deterministic, which is just lazy in my opinion,. The movie even makes it seem like the main character had a choice of not using the future words she remembered, but she wanted to. And because she did, the bony-hands needn't do anything else - minimal actions for a positive future outcome. postnote: This theory would kinda explain the aliens weird anatomy as well: They're obviously old species and probably have slowly lost all other senses than time-related ones because... they don't need eyes, or brains or ass holes or anything else than what let's them understand time and chances the best - which seems to be a bony-hand like structure. They just need to keep their 'goals in time' in their time fluent minds and go at it "blindly", or rather by intuition, and they will succeed one moment or the next.

[@anticarrrot]

@Setzer K Paradoxes only exist if free will does. Hence the first and second line in my comment at the start of this thread.

[@uzul42]

Wild idea: Maybe the goal of the heptos is not only to teach us their time comprehending language but also to test us and see if we are worthy of this potentially dangerous weapon/tool. So any excessive help would be counterproductive.

[@muertez666]

The heptapod clearly stated their goal was to help humanity and in turn humanity helps them.

[@mikedrop4421]

I dunno man, this was a pretty accurate depiction of what first contact with a peaceful alien race. We'd probably use mathematics as a Rosetta stone to build a language bridge.

[@tinycrimester]

I get that this video is made for entertainment, but the fact that they're big and scary is precisely the reason they waited for humans to approach them.

[@Razatanx7]

tiny crimester Precisely.

[@st8lion]

or they could have sent 1 dude to sit under the damn ship to wave a white flag while waiting for the approach instead of ominous "fuck you, you jump through hoops for me"/"what can i do for you on this, the day of my daughters wedding?" welcome.

[@bendover2684]

Like your mom

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

It's like someone parks in front of your house with a big car with dark tinted windows, creepily waiting for you to come and say hi, just to stare at you silently.

[@loganshaw9198]

Are they inverted? so they are freaking out inside that you just said hi and they wanted to talk to you but do not know what to say and they are using their time to think of what to say so they are just stare at you while thinking.

[@bongwaterbojack]

The problem with precognition that doesn't have extremely specific limitations, is that it justifies all of their behavior as being the best solution for a greater plan happening past the ending of the movie. Without a limitation on that ability, there is no way for you to criticize their actions.

[@szrsplaythroughs]

Yea. To me that kind of thing is a bit lazy in terms of writing :/.

[@kauske]

I'd argue that if they are precognitive, they went through ever scenario, and settled on this one, it seems like a long-shot, a one in a million, but every other scenario might have been more costly, or not gotten their goal accomplished. They may have gone in knowing full well that this was the best path to take, knowing some of them would perish. It's hard to apply standard logic when precognition gets thrown into the mix. Just think of the numerous times in real history we've had accidental discoveries, or events that are bad on their own have had an opposite effect. If your precog gets their goal in the end, you have to assume that they picked the path they did for a reason, even if it seems bizarre. It's why time travel stuff makes for not good writing, it both removes the sense of tension, and makes stories very hard to follow with conventional logic. They may have looked down the path of arriving knowing human language, and seen that it made humans distrust them due to being spied on, and the only way to keep the humans at bay long enough was with passificm, and appearing inferior in every way. Sometimes making three lefts to get to the same place as making a right is a better path, but it's hard to predict the path not traveled. And it's hard for most to see why taking the longer road was better when it is. But for a thought experiment, imagine you decide to take a series of right turns, instead of a left to get to your destination. As soon as you make your first right, the person in the left turn lane where you would have been if you decided to make that left is stuck by another car, you can never plan for that. If you could, your choices and path would seem extremely irrational to most. Think like the morty precognition crystal episode, where he does tons of ridiculous stuff in pursuit of his end goal. IT's a pretty good lampooning of the logic of trying to write a story based around precognition. It will always, always be either quite bizarre, or flat and boring. Either they make the odd choices, and it works out in the end, or they make logical choices that always work out. Either one doesn't make for the most compelling story though.

[@somedudeok1451]

Right. Or even if this was not the optimal path to achieve their goals, it was still *a* path to achieve the goal and it doesn't matter in the end.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

The God-Emperor Leto from Dune is an interesting case-study on prescience as well.

[@Dani_RdM]

Like in Infinity War and Endgame. Strange predicted that losing the battle was the only way to win the war. That's why he gave the Time Stone to Thanos so the snap would happen at the exact moment when Ant-Man was in the Quantum realm instead of just handing over the Stone as soon as they saw Thanos. That's similar to what happens in this movie, the Aliens took the decision that would lead to their desired result in the far future.

[@somedudeok1451]

@@Dani_RdM Yeah, except Infinity War was way more stupidier than this.

[@Dani_RdM]

@@somedudeok1451 Of course, IW is a movie for a younger and much broader audience that's why I used it as example of a simplified use of the precognition concept.

[@yaldabaoth2]

In defense of 12 ships: If they had only landed in the USA where they knew they needed to go, all the other nations would have focussed their attention there and the female protagonist wouldn't have had a chance to interact with the aliens. Maybe?

[@darkstar932]

If human languages were beyond indecipherable for them, multiple attempts seem a decent bet. Why not? This was a poor species to try and rip apart. He has to assume so much to argue they are stupid.

[@koroplays3200]

They could go to Antarctica which is neutral territory or maybe go to the U.N.

[@christiandauz3742]

Maybe they wanted to push humanity to the brink so that she can save humanity using the power of humanity

[@svccscvv6214]

@@koroplays3200 Do you have an idea of the time it will take for the UN to even decide which colour of uniforms the first contact team are going to wear?

[@svccscvv6214]

Wow and you think the USA is where they needed to be?, Just look at how the country is reacting to the current crisis and see if they're any example to go by, the US always seems so high and mighty until they're asked to get something done and besides their citizenry aren't the most stable available in the world.

[@casbot71]

Seeing the Doctor made me realise - the Cybermen. Once humanity is all upgraded, where will new Cybermen come from?

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

They might not have thought that through but they did gain the ability to upgrade all humanoid species maybe they didn't know tech also has a lifespan a small oversight really but

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

The cybermen (at least the ones from oldwho) didn't cared about upgrading everybody they just cared about their race's survival

[@molybdaen11]

They did not. Only later in when they started dying by illness or old age, they may had researched thisissue and found a solution with artificial cloning the brain tissue or something like that. Or they went even further and just copied the behaviour into a full machiene. So only the first generation are cyborgs made from full humans.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

HEPTAPODS: We are here to teach you our language. EARTHLINGS: We already know MEMES.

[@raven4k998]

those lethargic creatures are awesome better then the stupid harvesters from independence day

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

@@raven4k998 I'd fuck them. Interspecies romance is good for diplomacy. Mass Effect taught me this.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

How about using Halo's Covenant or Forerunners next video? Or another Doctor Who species (possibly Time Lords)?

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Seconded. I had suggested the Covenant from Halo, Reapers from Mass Effect, and Combine from Half-Life 2 a while ago. At the time though, he said he wasn't planning on doing video games.

[@alwaysonyourtail2563]

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 don't know half life so. i will leave it alone, this channel is about races too stupid to rise in the first place. the covenant and reapers both there culture and teck are reasonable to the rise to being a power player in the galaxy

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

@@alwaysonyourtail2563 The channel has examined both the development and the current state of the civilizations. Some like the Daleks, or the Decepticons / Autobots, were engineered races that were given every technological advantage from the start. For others, like the Galactic Empire, we saw their founding and development play out in the narrative itself. Yet even if a civilization could have feasibly arisen, it's also possible for it to become corrupt, decadent, complacent, or incompetent once it seizes power. Such is the case for many of these examples. In the case of the Daleks, they were given super advanced technology that gave them a massive head start, but their behavior was engineered such that realistically they could never survive long past this point. It's like how in the real world, many empires have risen and fallen, and many nations have popped into existence and then collapsed. The Roman Empire, which is the template for many a sci-fi writer when creating a fictional civilization, certainly ran into a multitude of problems once they were in power.

[@S3rp3nte]

Also the Space Pirates from Metroid

[@MediaZealot]

Next video, no. Though the Covenant will feature very soon. It will be a rather large project, but I've already downloaded the full Halo series on Steam, and I'm just slowly working my way through them in my downtime. @FrozenWolf150 I'm not sure what I said to you a while back (probably that I wouldn't be featuring video games for some time?), but I've always intended to feature video games, in fact, I'm considering a separate series just for games. I've been sussing out this game recording setup, working through a few bugs and hurdles; but I'm there already. The Colonial Marines gameplay footage from the last vid was mine. It's all go, feel free to submit other suggestions for game-based vids.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

I suggest the Yeerks from Animorphs. They're essentially Captain Planet villains, intent on causing environmental destruction for the hell of it. Their motivation for this makes even less sense, having to do with how they evolved on a world with little biodiversity.

[@Flaris]

I would fully support covering those guys. Although might be a lack of video footage to work with. Maybe could use clips from that TV series they released at one point though...

[@waleuska]

wait yeerks don't want to cause environmental destruction they want bodies. Because being a slug sucks.

[@danielgreenwood793]

The andalites weren't much smarter

[@anilin6353]

@@waleuska yeerks or guauld who would win?

[@waleuska]

@@anilin6353 The yeerks. They are fighting an race stronger than them instead of bullying weaker races with worst tech.

[@purplehaze2358]

I really like the designs for these. Such a good step away from the humanoid aliens seen fucking everywhere.

[@user-unos111]

This guy would have a field day with all the civilizations in the Warhammer 40k universe.

[@anteas0184]

Oh I really want to see this although the outcome would be pretty clear from the start: The Orks and Tyranids are the only factions that make sense, because the former just wants to fight and has no deeper motivation or grand design beyond that and the latter just wants to eat everything which is not only a finite goal but they also have the means and intelligence to reasonably achieve it and while the motivation for their hunger is unclear, it really doesn't matter anyway.

[@somebodystopme3822]

I mean they know the future and know for a fact that everything they do in the film will result in the desired outcome so it's hard to really question it

[@cernunnos_lives]

Their last message should've read: So long, and thanks for all the fish...

[@captainlastreo5160]

Man, you have a Star Trek quote for everything.

[@danieldevito6380]

I love the scene of the "benevolent" aliens lowering their ship and knocking high voltage wires onto a massive crowd of people LMFAO

[@timbomb374]

I want to watch a whole crew of Volcans travel around being completely reasonable in every interaction.

[@mikejohnstonbob935]

This whole video's assumption is that the Heptapods' language gives them the power to CHANGE the future. Instead, the power really just gives them the power to SEE the future. Amy Adam's character simply caused a bootstrap paradox when she quoted the general's wife's last words to him, because in the future, the general repeated his wife's words to her. This means the Heptapods don't really have any intelligence of their own, since they are pre-destined to perform a certain series of actions regardless of how stupid it may seem.

[@aripmjr]

Best complex of interpretation ideas.

[@AuthorityCat]

Exactly, they're not individual, nor a hive-mind, they're precognitive, just "are" essentially. They have no wants, no grand design. They simply act.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Human decisions are highly dependent on the knowledge and experience we have. It brings a whole free will argument into it. But by knowing the future, we would make decisions based on that knowledge, possibly altering the future. Like having hindsight to every situation we have yet to encounter.

[@15zmrd15]

How convenient for the plot, anything can happen and doesnt have to make sense then. "Oh that illogical thing that just happened? It happened because it was supposed to happen"

[@AndrooUK]

If they can see different futures as they think of different actions/decisions to take, it doesn't mean the future is predetermined. They could decide not to take an action, even though it seems like the 'right' one, and thus change the outcome. It'd just be a source of information to them, but not an actual decision making ability.

[@lonelychameleon3595]

I mean just because you can see the future doesn’t automatically mean you can change it. In the case of Abbott’s death, he may have foreseen it but accepted it knowing that he probably couldn’t have changed it, but that also brings up the question of what death means to the Heptopods.

[@AlphaOmega1237]

The movie's climax fundamentally relies on the MC using knowledge from the future to change the present. Also the premise. So yes, this ability give you the ability to change the course of time.

[@SerginhoPMoura]

​@@AlphaOmega1237 she's not "changing" the present, instead she's fullfilling it. The idea is that there is no future, present or past, it's all circular, it all happens at the same time. Loise is not changing anything.

[@AlphaOmega1237]

@Sérgio Moura Objectively, yes, she is. She's pulling information that does not exist yet into the present, which changes both what her course of action is and what the chinese general would have done without said info. I know that you're trying to say that this is how it always played out (therfore nothing "changed"), but that idea fundamentally ignores the premise. The heptapods are here solely because they will need humanity's help in the future. They are making a decision in the present based on info from the future. Inherently, they are changing the future to match the one where humanity helps them. Otherwise, they (in the present) would simply operate on the information they have at the time. A future in which humanity saves them due to time traveling information could not exist without a past time in which they did not, as the first time these events occurred such information did not and could not have existed. An effect must have a cause. A future must have a past. A future where the past could not have happened without the future already existing makes no sense unless the future is malleable. Additionally, the MC makes the choice to go about her relationship with her partner in the way she did. She chose to have a daughter who died young. She chose to keep this from her partner until the worst came to pass, causing him to leave her. Even still, she decided that said pain was worth the time that she'd be able to spend with them. It's never implied that she couldn't choose to do something else. The movie makes a big deal about this decision, and its weight completely falls apart if she never actually had a choice.

[@BetterOnichThanSorry]

@@AlphaOmega1237 The future knowledge only exists because of what she did in the present. It's the Novikov self-consistency principle; there is only one timeline and it cannot be altered.

[@user-fn2mx6dd5k]

They live in Dio's heaven

[@miyuedelfelt2676]

TBF, they knew it would work out in the end since they could see the future.

[@AnInsideJoke]

They still went about things in a way that was both incredibly lazy and needlessly complicated. Yes, those two things are completely contradictory to one another, but they somehow managed it.

[@somedudeok1451]

@@AnInsideJoke Doesn't matter. It worked. And when you're precognitive that's literally the only thing that counts.

[@madyui]

Actually makes sense to “land” away from major population centres, it’s non-threatening and less disruptive to the natives. “We’re here, but not to take out your leaders or infrastructure”.

[@JD-bk4zi]

I like to imagine that they are just making repairs before getting back to travel. That we don't see the aliens race that is piloting the ship and the squid like creatures are just some cattle for the aliens, and those circles are them shitting. The movie makes more sens like this lol

[@M3LP]

So then we are more advance than these heptopods, cool, we're some how smarter than a species capable of traveling time, creating super ships, and super weapons.

[@Mailed-Knight]

They don't have super weapons, which is probably why they need humanity 3,000 years later.

[@anthonymorgan7140]

@@Mailed-Knight so they're creating a planet filled with super body guards.

[@somedudeok1451]

@M3LP L30n : No we're not. What leads you to that conclusion? The Heptopods are setting in motion a course of events that will inevitably lead to the humans helping them in the future. It doesn't matter if that course seems weird or counterproductive to us, if the final outcome is desirable to them. It basically means they are gods that can make us do anything they want, without us ever being able to prevent the result, even if we tried.

[@somedudeok1451]

@@Mailed-Knight Anybody who pilots interstellar ships is piloting a potential super weapon. Just ram the ship into a planet at relativistic speeds to destroy it. Any technology can be weaponized if used in extreme ways, just like any medicine can be turned into a poison if overdosed.

[@somedudeok1451]

@@anthonymorgan7140 Just make robots.

[@bificommander7472]

"Yes, a new Too Stupid. Don't know the aliens, but this should be... ah, damn, that movie is on my to watch list. I gotta wait to watch this one."

[@LudosErgoSum]

The heptapods knew there were only one scenario out of 14.000.605 possible future outcomes where humanity would start to cooperate.

[@creativerealms]

Nice to know that benevolent fictional aliens are just as incompetent as the malevolent ones. Okay nice is the wrong word.

[@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984]

A space fairing, dimension traversing, time seeing species would probably have shielding that would prevent a nuke from harming the outside of their ships.

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Or would know to take the exact path of actions that wouldn’t lead to the nukes being launched in the first place?

[@SilvaaFabio]

Imagine the Heptapods arrive in a hostil and very advanced world? And then I started blasting.

[@OmegaII]

I figured once you see outside of linear time, time becomes fixed. Basically, once you see the future it will happen that way. So, the aliens knew that this how they teach humans the language and were stuck doing it that way. The whole movie is a predestination paradox.

[@Ackalan]

Predestination is only an issue if you don't connect parallel timelines where every outcome isn't only possible, but all are inevitable and you chose the future based on your actions.

[@leewardstyle]

>>>Dear Humans, please learn our language and begin seeing non-linear time. "OK, done." >>>Humans, please help us in 3,000 years. "Wait, isn't that request linear?" >>>Crap, oh look, a bomb. *** explosion ***

[@ryanfuller4401]

I don't even know who hepopods are, why am I here? Love your channel bro.

[@Ackalan]

"If you know the outcome, there's no such thing as a gamble."

[@spiderface9179]

I do love your channel, some pretty good stuff. But you got the movie wrong. their language doesn't change time, it reveals it. The movie offers a view that fate is deterministic and coming to terms with it.

[@nicholascarter9158]

But from a narrative, meta point of view it's still a bad choice, because this kind of deterministic non-linierity creates a narrative that either completely ignores it or doesn't work as a story experienced by real humans in time.

[@johnpanicker7590]

@@nicholascarter9158 That's why it's SciFi buddy

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@johnpanicker7590 a bad one then

[@SerginhoPMoura]

​@@spinosaurusstriker that's subjective.

[@blem88]

That’s what he said

[@mollof7893]

But you know, this makes perfect sence for the heptapod, we just don't understand their logic.

[@ikochomi3070]

I agree. They have a precognitive ability, so maybe... this is the only scenario that will be succes

[@somedudeok1451]

@@ikochomi3070 Or even if it's not the only scenario, why would they care, as long as they achieve their goals?

[@justifano7046]

The heptapods brain is actually bigger than its entire body, including its brain. This may not make sense to you, but it does to the heptapod. Because they have a very big brain

[@somedudeok1451]

@Joshua Sharwood They might actually be the far future offspring of the cephalopods on Earth. The resemblance is greater than coincidence would allow.

[@lemuntpicard7482]

What you don't get is that they forseen all that had, has and will happen because their timeline is circular. So how ever they plan look from an outside perspective they knew it already worked and couldn't do it difierently

[@BitchesLoveGoodra]

To be fair to this specific species... they can see into the future... so it's highly likely they saw that this weird method had the outcome they wanted- and even perhaps that logical methods for some reason would have ended in disaster. That or this method of communication would force a human to commit themselves to learning the language, saving them time over trying to teach it maybe? I just feel like it's a real grey area to judge a species that can both see the future and were successful in their attempts to do something... that generally suggests that things played out this way as this was the best way things could play out.

[@radioactiveriver6718]

I was going to sleep, but Media Zealot uploaded a new video

[@Sara3346]

I'm in the same metaphorical boat :-)

[@penpenpenpenpen]

You are criticizing non-linear time with linear time parameters, that's not how it works... there is no "future" in non-linear time.

[@Ackalan]

His argument on this basically boils down to "I can't understand why the aliens that can see the future made contact this way". Which is a surprisingly stupid argument. Also he comes to some kind of conclusion about the entire civilisation based on what seem to be ~50 individuals, that's not really a representative sample.

[@bobross3880]

The thing is though...by being able to see the future, as shown by the main character, you’re not able to change it. That’s like rule number 1 of all future readers

[@mr_bohan]

The poster had a Chinese skyscraper superimposed over Hong Kong. The people that were mad were the citizens of Hong Kong that don’t like it when you equate them with China. And, yknow, people that thought putting one city’s building on another city’s skyline is just stupid.

[@BainesMkII]

I've got to disagree with this one, as its "too stupid" judgement is built on the assumptions that the heptapods were taking risks with their approach. If you allow for the whole seeing the past and future gimmick, then they are presumably taking a path that they know works? Bending over backwards in assisting paranoid and warmongering humans could easily be a path to failure, the mistakes and "risks" may indeed be necessary to getting the desired result.

[@thano8499]

Exactly!

[@malloriesand7984]

Agree. This one is missing the entire point of the story. They do what needs to be done. In fact, they need China to freak out because they need Louise to call them. Like all these "mistakes" are completely on purpose.

[@Chris-jw8vm]

He seems to miss the main flaw in his argument. The heptapods see the future and they are determinists. They know that you can't see the future if that future can be changed or they'd have never truly seen the future. They realise that the present is like a frame in a movie. Doesn't matter what they do it will play out as it was destined to. They know things all work out in the end. Why attempt to violate causality. I think part of the lesson of the language was about letting go and embracing our lack of free will. The main character only gained the power because she was unwilling to change the future no matter the consequences. And due to that she could see the future without her knowledge altering it.

[@y.j.d.1697]

In the original book (story of your life) there s the explication that you can see the future but lose all free will or have free will but only living in the present. That is why the protagonist in the book couldnt save his daughter (because now for she future past and present are the same) even years before she died climbing a mountain.

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

Love when Tuvok chimes in

[@novaleary4488]

Happy 2020! Hope you are safe and healthy! Glad to see ya posting again:D

[@ravenkk4816]

TIME WAR. So this where doctor who came from.

[@129das]

So it was the dalek was the Heptapods enemy.

[@jasonblackman9732]

Counter Point: They have precognition abilities, and everything worked out just fine in the end.

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

yeah & Abbott dying didn't matter because he still exists because time is just like east & west. That's why she had Hannah despite the cancer

[@robbylebotha]

The squids can see the future but this is the best way they saw of teaching humans the language. 😂.

[@marsbars4767]

I wish they'd make a movie based on the most realistic scenario if aliens do come to earth

[@willhiggins9563]

Mars Bars That would probably be boring. Since it would probably just be a OP alien civilization showing up. Shooting down some military air crafts, and steel omg destroying every nuclear weapon, just to be safe. And then either strong arming every world leading into one sided trade deal for resources, for making the world conform to a alien equivalent to Human rights codes

[@gavinriley5232]

Any civilization capable of interstellar travel would be so ridiculously more advanced than us that we would be like insect to them. We would be a mere annoyance. Even if their initial intentions were peaceful we would launch a nuke and then quickly be wiped out by this super advanced civilization

[@loltank5315]

@@willhiggins9563 I feel like you could make a realistic winnable war where present humans win if the conflict on Earth is a part of a wider alien conflict. This could mean that the aliens are either sending a small underequipped force to Earth or the conflict spills over onto Earth.

[@MandalorV7]

Gavin Riley any alien race with interplanetary travel wouldn’t even need to arrive in person to wipe us out. They just need to fling a large unmanned chunk of something at Earth and we would be done for. Or they could unleash some sort of bio weapon.

[@Sara3346]

@@willhiggins9563 Sounds a bit like Captive State then?

[@Flaris]

I'd suggest tackling the Mass Effect Reapers. Thanks to Mass Effect 3 those guys definitely qualify as too stupid to really exist.

[@kauske]

I think they were always too stupid, it was just a matter of time to failure, but they were rogue AI, you can't expect a malfunctioning machine to make all the best choices.

[@adamgray1753]

Yep, @@kauske and FlareKnight. Then should you tell that Star Child to eff off by bullet or ignoring it you auto-fail because reasons. Boy... this Cycle was just full of retards who deserved to die.

[@69Kazeshini]

I think the too stupid to really exist are the leviathans, they saw AI rebelling against their slave species and their answer to this problem is too make a bigger more powerful AI?

[@dadbuffins4524]

The way you use the Star Trek dude in your cutscenes is priceless!! 💯💯

[@ivanpetrov5255]

Given the ability to perceive time in a non-linear fashion, maybe the Heptopods see the events unfold in a different procession - which is also a black mark for them.

[@KateeAngel]

One thing in the story still disturbes me more than these weirdo aliens. I can't fathom that that woman knew in advance that her daughter would suffer from cancer and die very young and still decided to conceive that daughter. That is psychopathic.

[@thefalloutkid13]

The daughter has to exist because if she isn't born Amy Adams never learns how to communicate with the aliens

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

@@thefalloutkid13 no she would've learnt anyway

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

@Kate S That is why Hawkeye left but what he doesn't understand (& he should because he's supposed to be a physicist) is that Einstein said space & time are not separate. We live in a spacetime continuum where past & future are just like west & east. Hawkeye just sees the painful end but the whole thing is Hannah growing up & being happy & loved & having cool adventures & then getting sick & dying all existing in 1 single continuum like west to east. The happy times outweight the bad therefore the general flavour of Hannah's life continuum is happy. West & east never stop existing & either do past & future. Thus Hannah doesn't stop existing. This is why Costello said "Abbott is death process" as in he hasn't passed away. This is why she went ahead with the Hawkeye sexy time. Because Hannish is death process, not passed away. She lives on happily in that part of time.

[@solitaryconfinement1975]

Existence is better than non existence in most cases

[@turkeycannon161]

She couldn't not conceive her. The point of the film was that time is fixed, there isn't free will and just because you can see the future doesn't mean you can alter it but that this also shouldn't leave you in despair. In real life everyone that you know will eventually die, maybe today maybe years from now but you should just enjoy the time you have, you can't change the future so why worry about it?

[@martinjoseph5410]

Though it might cause quite a lot of 'HERESY!' comments, you must do The Imperium Of Mankind from Warhammer 40K!

[@Henri_Ikari]

That would be incredibly long.

[@MURPHYCHACHO]

You could probably do separate videos for almost every faction in that setting. The only ones achieving consistent success in their goals are the orks and the tyranids. And that's only because of the utter simplicity of their goals: fight and consume biomass.

[@daigengtr6806]

Aw man not the haptapods. They're so gentle.

[@aureum7479]

Imagine completely misunderstanding a whole movie 💀

[@muertez666]

fr 💀💀

[@ryanjapan3113]

1:18 why does an American amphibious assault ship (probably a wasp class) have the Chinese flag on it?

[@talos2384]

Because they don’t have any stock footage of Chinese carriers?

[@dansmith1661]

Who sells us military equipment?

[@whoareyou1034]

@@dansmith1661 American companies and allies.

[@FuzzyWuzzy98]

Because CCP thats why.

[@davidbros849]

China owns Hollywood, I have heard. And buying up alot of American infrastructure. Global elites want to create a New World Order, where, there is a single world government and it's operated by the Chinese Communist.

[@lhfinatl7068]

'Advanced Sci-fi Civilisations Too Stupid To Really Exist' (ie- when high-concept meets Hollywood bullshit)

[@maxwellsope1080]

The star trek bits are the best as always lmao.

[@mheermance]

The domed city in Logan's Run seems like a good candidate for this series. They kill people at their peak of productivity, and when the AI in charge logic bombs, they'll all die of exposure in their togas.

[@efe_aydal]

I love both of your series. One of my favorite channels.

[@OnlyVuimo]

Efe ab

[@loadingmikke7451]

Your star trek clips makes me want to watch voyager once again.

One wrong coffee stain and you start an interstellar war.

[@ameanasaur]

They were HR the whole time. The many shaped coffee rings were the multitude of ways they can express that you're fired.

[@SpaceRaptor510]

The mass effect races next please they're so dumb

[@rickjames5998]

I feely like he did but yeah they are so fucking dumb I would not know where to begin.

[@simtexa]

The biggest oddity of the Mass Effect races is that they're all just humans with different skins. Their entire psychology is human to no end.

[@justifano7046]

@@simtexa the main races are yeah Pretty sure that's for entertainment and gameplay purposes though

[@bombomos]

The Kindler

[@simtexa]

@@justifano7046 Well yeah, if they acted like complete aliens and didn't have human emotions, expressions, interests etc. social interactions in the game would be rather limited.

[@nightsong81]

We have the power to perceive and alter the future. Despite this, something happens in the future that we cannot face alone, even with this power. In the future, we will need human help. So we will give humans this power that didn't help us, so that they can use it to help us. This isn't the species being too stupid to exist. This is the plot being too stupid to exist. Everything stems from the writers not being able to logic their way out of a paper bag.

[@thano8499]

The only one here that 'can't logic their way out of a paper bag' is you. How does it not make sense to enlist more individuals to help in a time of crisis? Even seeing the future doesn't help you win a fight that's 1000 to 1. It might not even be a fight, it might be that uplifted humans invent a technology, or cure a disease that would have caused them a lot of damage otherwise. These such thing as an unwinnable scenario, even if you can predict everything the enemy/impending disaster will do perfectly, it doesn't mean you can stop it alone. Having the foresight to enlist the help of others is a pretty big benefit of seeing everything coming. And who says it's just humans they uplifted either? maybe go watch something lower brow next time, that doesn't go over your head.

[@yeahkeen2905]

The only thing stupid here is your understanding of the movie. The whole point of the movie is that you can’t change the future. If you watched it and came out of it thinking the aliens could then you must have watched it with your eyes closed.

[@atomatlas5595]

Hahahahaha! Yes man! More of this! I'm glad I found this channel when you first made it!

[@msgsgt]

The aliens are our loyal pets in the future. Like if Mittens was able to time travel to a younger mankind and teach them technology that would make Mitten and her kitten’s life easier.

[@twitchyarby]

The problem with arguing about whether or not they used their precognition to any effect, is that it's also equally reasonable that they did see everything and the scenario went off exactly as planned.

[@keithbaker1951]

Been waitin for this series!

[@jimmyguy428]

LOL! Your videos are absolutely brilliant! Thanks for bringing us this great content, and please keep up the hard work.

[@adamparris8353]

The selenites from h.g. wells's 'first men in the moon' mastered english after hearing/rearranging/repeating one sentence.

[@toascranill5464]

Bu... BUT IT'S DEEP!

[@danujus77]

Yeah. Deeply stupid.

[@justifano7046]

@@danujus77 Have you ever seen tbe movie flatland?

[@MaylocBrittinorum]

@@danujus77 Congrats, you've achieved peak comedy.

[@lennysmileyface]

It would have been a better idea to communicate with memes.

[@terreliv]

what I don't get is how come the heptapods don't, like, do shadow puppets with their ink. how hard is it to make a smiley face?

[@giraoshaw]

Cant believe the aliens said "use weapon" despite probably knowing about the cuban missle crisis

[@ilkkasavolainen5878]

They had to teach humans the Heptapod language because that was the only way for the woman to reach the Chinese general and prevent them from attacking the Heptapods. The general needed to hear the words of her dying wife to realize we are all connected through time and the aliens were here to teach us how to see these connections.

[@Scarlet_moon.]

they could have moved their ship from there,but who am i to judge.

[@ilkkasavolainen5878]

@@Scarlet_moon. Going away would not have taught us anything though.

[@Scarlet_moon.]

@@ilkkasavolainen5878 well they could have moved their ship away from Beijing,at would lower threat level.I didn't mean they should all live just move one ship away,but who cares they knew future.

[@dontsubscribe8292]

This movie is great. What you would expect? Aliens already knowing the english language?

[@kysike666]

You would expected? R u an infant? u write like one.🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🙄

[@5h0rgunn45]

Well, yes. Considering whatshername grabbed information she didn't previously know from the future, couldn't the aliens just learn English by watching themselves learning it in the future? This is the problem with movies that screw around with timelines, they always end up with plot holes like this.

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

​@@kysike666 _"You would expected? R u an infant? u write like one."_ The only person using infantile playground insults here is you so zip it

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

​@@5h0rgunn45 Maybe they did know English but they chose the only path that could possibly lead to humans cooperating peacefully so that they could be advanced enough to help in 3000 years time against the bad aliens.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@alwaysdisputin9930 i hate that excuse because witg that you cna justifie every stupid desition in all fiction ever, infinity war id it better.

[@JimboJamble]

Can we talk about the fact that their race developed an entirely visual language in spite of living in the thickest fog imaginable?

[@vueher4965]

Sending 12 is better than 1 because chances are some ships wont survive space travel

[@joecrazy9896]

You gonna do one on the Saiyans from DB?

[@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597]

Uhhhhh DB is leaning on the Supernatural Side in greater amounts which is something Sci-Fi doesn't really like.

[@thorshammer7883]

Are the Skeksis too stupid to win in the Dark Crystal series?

[@dylangrizzle]

Nice, pumped to see a new episode. Thanks and keep up the good work.

[@NESQUEHONINGSfinest]

i always loved this guys content on here but with this one he actually explained the plot of arrival better than i ever seen on youtube or the net ..all while making fun of how absurd these future species attempts to teach us shit really was lmao bravo