Advanced Sci-fi Civilisations Too Stupid To Really Exist Ep.12 - The Necromongers

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[@MediaZealot]

Who is next? 1. The Thermians (Galaxy Quest 1999) 2. London (Mortal Engines 2018) 3. Columbia (Bioshock Infinite) 4 Panem (The Hunger Games trilogy) 5. San Angeles (Demolition Man 1993) 6. Bregna (Aeon Flux 2005) Vote on patreon: www.patreon.com/mediazealot

[@roguetitan723]

well here are my thoughts on them. 1. Galaxy Quest is more of a paroady, but I can the see fun of analyzing something like that. 2. Haven't seen Mortal Engines but there's definitely a lot to pull apart with. 3. Haven't played infinite but I don't recall if a video game setting has been done yet so it would be interesting to see. 4. I feel Panem's got a lot flaws from their system to analyse. 5. Surpisingly I haven't seen Demo Man but do know of the weird nuances with the society in that setting. 6. Unfortunately I don't know a whole lot about Aeon Flux except for having a unique animation style.

[@googledoxxdmebruh6283]

I dont even care. i just want more.

[@IAmTheAce5]

London or Columbia

[@EvergreenEverfree]

Columbia

[@Dash101]

@@googledoxxdmebruh6283 Me too. They're just too entertaining. A lot more than the actual movies.

[@ONIscrooge]

The armor and general aesthetic was pretty sweet though.

[@mistakenotou7681]

No matter how evil immoral or in efficient you are have good fashion and some people will root for you

[@daniellee5147]

Yeah the armor looks pretty badass.

[@wolfiewoo3371]

I agree

[@MediaZealot]

I actually had a joke - "Armour that looks like it was pulled straight from Planet of the Apes....the bad one". But then on closer inspection I realised the POTA armour was actually quite different, and as you say, aesthetically the Necromongols are pretty dope. Felt like a bit of a low blow, so I canned it.

[@daniellee5147]

@@MediaZealot You could have said something about the scene where Riddick and Kiera were fighting for the ship and Riddick went apeshit and slaughtered all those necros with just those blades. There's no way he would have even made a dent in that thick armor.

[@cookiecookie88729]

"Power can be transfered legitimately through violence". Election day in Wakanda.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Word lol

[@voxdraconia4035]

The Terran Evilgoatee Empire approves ...

[@artruisjoew5473]

Vox Draconia ... evocati?

[@nasilelelisselo2348]

This is sad now

[@kejadventures241]

@@nasilelelisselo2348 well I mean it's not completely sad because the movie did completely and utterly destroyed the way comic book movies get approached by award shows going forward. so at least you don't have to worry about some cultural sensation winning best movie of the year despite the fact that it was about as predictable as a five-year-old's book

[@ultrakaiser8547]

“The Necromongers nihilistic religion and invasion methodology invites their own destruction” Necromongers: ITS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY!

[@Mictla155]

@Lassi Kinnunen Yep, necromongers are awesome. The Underverse is their goal.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

almost as if the writers based it on the ideology of Islam.

[@InvaderTak176]

Obviously you never sacrificed yourself for the emperor

[@jukahri]

@@rianmacdonald9454 Islam is an Abrahamic religion, so it teaches that living a good life down here on Earth will let you reach Paradise in the afterlife. You can't get less nihilistic than that.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

@@jukahri paradise in the afterlife, does that include their 72 virgins to rape?? i have read the koran myself. so you might as well just stop this now.

[@Nerevar5me]

This series and especially this "awkward middle child" chronicles of riddick is such a god damn gem.

[@fylimar]

I agree. Love the Riddick movies.

[@arklados3596]

Pitch Black is my favorite action horror movie. The fight between Johns and Riddick lit only by hazard flares is incredible.

[@LilyApus]

Yeah that was such a weird label to give it, the first movie was great but small scale and not really rewatachable for me, and the third one had the exact same theme and problems except we had already seen it so I was less interested.

[@robertnett9793]

Chronikles doesn't make a lick of sense - but it's damn well entertaining while making no sense :D - the perfect movie to switch off your brain for 1 1/2 hours and munch popcorn.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And then there are the games

[@CodyRushDriving]

Some of the design decisions are very inspired, in my opinion. I love the landing ships that bow down to the Lord Marshal, and that they just spear them right into the ground. They may be a dumb civilization, but they are inspiringly crafted.

[@Ramsey276one]

SHOWMANSHIP XD

[@TheWizel]

The basic tactic of effectively opening with an orbital bombardment by ramming your troop transport into the enemy is actually very sound. It basically combines medieval cavalry with modern paratroopers. The enemy is immediately thrown into chaos with your own troops in their midst.

[@bthsr7113]

@@TheWizel If you have the tech for it, it's an excellent way to start a planetary assault in force. You're basically getting the perks of an opening bombardment while also getting a forward operating base (or more) deployed.

[@falltownmale9866]

Honestly I like to make head canons. Like mashing the star wars universe with the Riddick and AvP universes. It makes for pretty awesome day dreams🤣

[@falltownmale9866]

Necros stop on a world and boom xenomorphs pop out and it's a full on battle or necros vs storm trooper or Jedi swooping in and fighting a couple dozen predators

[@dappernecromancer5364]

Gonna be honest, a lot of the criticisms of their belief structure being hypocritical or illogical are hallmarks of someone who's never studied real-world cults. Hypocrisy and irrational beliefs are part and parcel.

[@majeedmamah7457]

He never said it was unrealistic, just stupid which most cults _are_

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@majeedmamah7457 I dunno. Shoko Asahara in Japan made a cult that was training to be mad max road warriors in a post nuclear apocalypse he was trying to bait the US into starting

[@majeedmamah7457]

@@darkpuppetlordful wait what?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@majeedmamah7457 I was presenting a cult doing something stupid as counter evidence as a joke

[@amidasimth1214]

@@darkpuppetlordful true. You study well

[@teeheeteeheeish]

I actually thought this was the best of the trilogy as it gave you a wider view of the lore and universe

[@likemike498]

Correct!

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@likemike498 ...Random, but: I am gathering people to help youtube become a bit healthier though a specific method; basically a good Cause Project, more or less. Wanna hear more?

[@iunnox666]

Exactly, it's a great bit of lore building. The Escape From Butcher Bay game was quite different and fantastic as well.

[@zacaboi2876]

You're true but only one thing that i can't shake my mind off of, riddick left one necro to have the crown leaving them to do their raid on the galaxy exactly what the Marshall did. I get riddick doesn't wanna be the leader but once they left him they're still gonna have the galaxy by its throat doing the same thing they did before he arrived making it all for nothing because the Necromongers will be a threat AGAIN until riddick will stop them in the next movie probably not. But in the end they still thriving making the whole plot of the second movie pointless. I'm like....WHAT?! :(

[@TheNicoliyah]

Me too, it was my favourite one

[@GeorgiaCav]

All of this is true. And it’s still a fun flick of a type we don’t often get: action space opera that doesn’t involve pointy ears or laser swords.

[@DurrDerp]

Some autistic remarks to detail: In the 3rd movie, Vaako actually intended to send Riddick home but the bald dude got all butthurt about people suddenly making straightforward deals and went full betrayal on Vaako and Riddick. The whole 'whoever manages to scheme and stab his way to the top in the royal court is boss' scheme actually worked somewhat well for the Turks as it reliably produced leaders who could also scheme well against other nations. Only problem - the public got upset over the bodies of the less fortunate brothers and sisters of the royal family being dumped outside the castle *again*. The Necros have solved this PR problem - the movies show them to have some sort of machine to industrially brainwash the converts to loyalty, so the issue of being ideologically consistent and nice to the underlings is solved. This is probably the reason why their commanders can send axemen against guns just to see what happens. To their credit the Necromongers have also managed to understand their 'magic' in a scientific way and employ it on a wide scale in mass produced devices rather than keeping it the private pasttime of the select few (ie. Star Wars and The Force). tl;dr The Necromonger empire is the typical minmaxing RTS player who wants to paint the map in the minimal amount of turns and their way of going about it is consistent with the methods employed in say for example a Rome Total War speedrun.

[@JoshuaWilkesR]

Funny how advanced sci-fi civilizations can traverse the galaxies but still find a use for melee weaponry. I mean why not bio weapons or just planet busters

[@dlvnmedia]

Joshua Wilkes well in 40K in which the Imperium is obviously a pretty large influence visual wise and the Dark Eldar and Chaos another influence but the use of melee in the future setting in there is it makes sense gameplay wise and it works here because well it looks a lot cooler than watching them just blow up planets you know?

[@silobobus3268]

how is that autistic?

[@TomTasker]

@@dlvnmedia so my justification for melee weapons in scifi is this, you can't really use a gun on a spaceship the same way you can't really use a gun on a jetliner, depressurization, one stray bullet would kill everyone. (this is a bit of a stretch i know, because air marshals carry handguns but it kinda works)

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

@@silobobus3268 Autistic people, like myself, are usually very specific and detailed in their thinking. The original poster might be autistic too - it's a much less bigoted use of the term than you'd usually see on the internet.

[@originaluddite]

I agree that movie was the odd one out of the trilogy but I did find the architecture and design of the Necromongers interesting. Rarely in SF movies have I seen anything so elaborate and baroque - it reminds me of the 80s Dune movie. Incidentally, Necromonger sounds like the sort of name an intelligent 12 year old would invent for his fantasy role-playing villain.

[@christianthompson7876]

Hence why I've seen this movie 10 times

[@originaluddite]

@@christianthompson7876 yeah, sometimes the visualization of a setting is reason enough to get into a movie, something critics have a hard time understanding.

[@ratkeller9608]

the art you mention is like HR Giger he is a sci fi artist. check his work on alien and some of his other stuff

[@originaluddite]

It's definitely part of it - particularly in making the villains seem nasty.

[@last7509]

2 and 3 don't exist to me

[@MrPlurface]

“He’s lucky baby Riddic didn’t flip the script and choke him out” 😂

[@kierafurneaux3172]

I mean, from what we see of Riddick it ain't too outlandish

[@MuMu124]

Has karl Urban ever not had a bad role? Dude is an amazing actor

[@athomps14at]

Dude consistently kills it in every movie. Even if the plot is shit his performance can never be shat on

[@abelingaw5070]

@@athomps14at Well, LOTR does.

[@wiseguy01]

The Necromongers actually make a lot more sense as a pre-Imperium Chaos corrupted faction of WH40K. The Necromonger Empire could have existed during the Age of Strife before the coming of the Emperor. The Underverse of the Necromongers could be their interpretation of the Warp. Their worship of death and decay could easily be attributed to influence by Nurgle. As well as some minor worship of the other Chaos Gods being present. For example, the Necros believe very heavily in a philosophy that says "you keep what you kill..." and consider it more honorable to use melee weapons, two signs of Khornite influence. Their worship of Slaanesh is also evident, as the Necromongers are opposed to bringing new life into the galaxy(Nurgle) but still indulging themselves in opulent pleasures, lust and excess. They also have a notable mastery of psychic abilities, utilizing them for communication as well as interrogations. As well as sorcerous powers, as the Lord Marshall displays a variety of supernatural abilities, all of these being a sign of Tzeentch influence. The entrance to the Underverse, known as the Threshold among the Necromongers, looks similar in appearance to the Eye of Terror in 40K. They would fit right into the WH40K setting without having to change really anything about them at all.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

As a guy who only knows the Chronicles of Riddick from this comments section, it seems like the best a lot of people can say about this faction is that it reminds them of what they imagine might have existed in another franchise.

[@TheLongasen]

They are chaos undivided

[@Becka_Harper]

Dashiell Gillingham foul heresy must be torn out root and trunk, FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPEROR!

[@5h0rgunn45]

That makes a lot of sense, actually. In WH40K, going for melee is a totally viable battlefield tactic, especially when you're wearing what appears to be the equivalent of carapace armour. As for their ideology, all factions in 40K are batshit insane, so they'd fit right in :)

[@NimhLabs]

@@5h0rgunn45 "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!"

[@Darkboarder4]

Media Zealot: "this guy's name is two letters off being rigiddick" Me: (pause video and chuckle for several minutes)

[@celiashen5490]

I wonder if Groot's real name is Woody.

[@user-pi7jz7pl4n]

Same

[@MrChupacabra555]

As stupid as the Necromongers are, I for one liked the world building that this movie made. It was very much like "Dune" to me (in a very dumbed down, but fun kind of way ^_^). Also, as I understand it, a lot of this world building had to do with Vin himself, who owns the rights to the character and wanted to expand on the background, being a lifelong sci-fi/fantasy nerd himself. As you point out, though, this movie did nothing at the box office, so they went back to the original formula for the 3rd movie, while throwing a scene in that still acknowledged the events of the 2nd, and how it could transition back to something so simple.

[@5h0rgunn45]

The problem with the third movie is that it's a carbon copy of the first. I still kinda liked it, but only because it had Johns' dad in it, and having played the game Butcher Bay, I like the dynamic between Riddick and Johns a lot, so it was cool seeing him with the elder one.

[@Ebalosus]

The movie itself doesn’t have that, but the surrounding materials do...to a degree. It could be a lot more interesting than presented, but as it stands I have trouble getting into the setting.

[@harkonnentruppen4094]

Actually when I first saw the previews for Chronicles of Riddick I thought it was Dune remake or sequel.

[@barrygormley3986]

Personally, I think it's regrettable that this movie didn't do better. Pitch Black and Riddick (2013) are enjoyable for what they are, but a character this awesome deserves a big, epic story like Chronicles.

[@5h0rgunn45]

@@barrygormley3986 Hey, I still enjoy the movie, for all its flaws. I even enjoyed the 3rd one, even though it's a carbon copy of the first.

[@moxxy3565]

I love that Tuvok is basically your co-host

[@GreatSmithanon]

The Underverse is supposed to be an alternate universe in the expanded lore, reached through a portal in space that may or may not be a stabilized wormhole.

[@svagglaorde4387]

It could be The Warp from 40k.

[@JoshuaWilkesR]

Imagine a Multiverse level civilization. Wonder why we haven't seen this before lots of room for movies

[@fountainchristain]

@The Jim Reaper™ they mean a civilization that had a hold in multiple of them or fully controls at least 1. It's like how even tho the whole world is connected you wouldn't count each country as a world or region power or player in politics.

[@fountainchristain]

@The Jim Reaper™ you are acting like the civilization couldn't just be expanding and taking over as if it has to all be extacly the same. And the EU is a world political power yes but would Greece on its own have as much power? Or Zimbabwe? How about Argentina? My point was just because things are connected doesn't mean they are true players on a major level. And it doesn't really have to be 1 United force to be a civilization the EU or a form of it could be how they rule it even how the United states is multiple areas technically ruled as 1 though different levels of government

[@fountainchristain]

@The Jim Reaper™ yes but that doesn't mean a civilization or empire couldn't rise to do it the EU is actually a great example all of the countries in it have different interests and cultures but still follow a guide line. Also no a civilization doesn't mean it is all following the same thing just it is governed from an area and has some cultural similarities. Like the United states or China or any area with large masses of people and different cultures in it. Show that you can govern even tho there are differences. You keep saying oh this or that but what about an empire that just conquers and spreads it own culture like Rome did who said they had to be peaceful or even do it diplomatically.

[@barrygormley3986]

A few counterpoints, just for fun: 1) Violent religious sects being based on doctrines that don't hold up to much scrutiny is hardly anything new, and the fact that The Lord Marshall literally has super-human powers probably helped convince a lot of people. 2) Since we don't know The Purifier's backstory, it's entirely possible that The Lord Marshal doesn't know he's a Furyan. 3) It's implied that very few necromongers are false converts (we only know about two: Kira and The Purifier), as they all go through a very powerful brainwashing process. 4) Vaako believes in the necromonger faith. He simply decided (under the manipulations of his wife: whose true beliefs are unknown) that he would make a better leader than the current Lord Marshal. 5) The Lord Marshal knew he could beat Riddick in a straight fight. The fear was that Riddick would kill him some other way, or that events would somehow play out in a way that would allow Riddick to defeat him (which is what happened). However, once he was confronted in the throne room: he basically had no choice but to fight, since to do otherwise would make him look weak in front of his whole army. 6) The whole “keep what you kill” thing might seem like a problem for The Lord Marshal, until you consider he has super-human powers that would make it damn near impossible for a regular person to defeat him. Even Riddick needed help. 7) Is there an actual (meaning cannon) piece of scripture stating that The Lord Marshal must be without fear, or is that simply something Vaako’s wife said to rationalise his betrayal? 8) The necromongers are a warrior culture who place a high premium on courage, skill and loyalty. A Lord Marshal who killed his predecessor through cowardly assassination instead of honourable combat would lose respect, and hence would have every incentive to cover it up.

[@kalyana9705]

Thank you! I was thinking along the same lines too. The story wasn't as inconsistent as this video makes it seem.

[@barrygormley3986]

@@kalyana9705 It's one of my favourite "underrated" films.

[@Axterix13]

I don't know if there is a canon (one 'n', not two) explanation for it, but it does make sense that this religion would hold to that type of belief. They believe that death is a transformation, an ultimate goal, and that there is a right time for it. So for the leader to be afraid of death would mean he lacks faith, and is therefore unfit to lead.

[@svagglaorde4387]

Them Necros have that Warhammer 40k feel and the Underverse religion really has some Chaos Warp spaghetti quality.

[@Burningsteel]

Sort of chaotic Death Korps of Krieg. I like that thought

[@Deridus]

... WAAAAAGH!!!

[@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid]

That is because that is what it IS. Shortly after Vin Diesel made “Pitch Black” he discovered WH40K and Necromunda.... Guess that happened next? I used to know a lot of the people in LA who either painted miniatures for him, or who actually played the games with him.

[@harpseal9234]

I ....don't entirely know what you just said ..

[@nickyblue4866]

@@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid thats actually really cool.

[@zoltanperei4789]

I really hope Necromongers won't be forgotten and someone will make a tv series about their history.

[@gfgffdd]

Yes i hope so too, because they are so cool in terms of their design, technology.

[@robinthrush9672]

I like how many ways you pronounced their group. Necromongers, Nickromongers, Necromungers, Nickromungers. I'm easily amused.

[@henghistbluetooth7882]

I love the Chronicles of Riddick and I’ve watched it probably 20 times. Have to say I don’t want to ever see the third chapter - the ending to Chronicles was perfect and leaves lots to the imagination. The third seems to be just ‘how do we make a third movie for financial reasons whilst backing out of the corner we painted ourselves into with the end of the second’.

[@Axterix13]

But in a way, it works. Chronicles is a bit of a space Conan movie. And usually if, at the end of a book, Conan is leading an army, at the beginning of the next, he's lost it. Sometimes due to being usurped, sometimes due to the army being defeated in battle. So the opening of the next movie is very fitting.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Still waiting for that movie they teasted back in the 80s about Conan becoming king. But that is "a story for a different time"

[@AP-vt4bs]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I think a new Conan movie might be in production. I remember Arnold Schwarzenegger hinting at it some months ago.

[@JynxedKoma]

8:42 "No. They had to go all hard out and have a dedicated lenser soldier *FREAK."* HA! Media Zealot is always flowery.

[@efe_aydal]

One of my favorite series...

[@NinjahPenguinZ]

Ok

[@whitealliance9540]

@@NinjahPenguinZ go learn to be a real necromonger kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGjVm3h7oJykb68

[@lemonator8813]

same

[@NinjahPenguinZ]

@@whitealliance9540 the actual fuck

[@The_Cosmic_Navigator]

I just realized that the story of the movie is almost Copy/pasted from Conan. 1. Riddick = Conan 2. Necromongers = Children of Doom 3. Lord Marshal Zhylaw =Thulsa Doom 4. Furyans = Cimmerians

[@TheNzFox]

they are a discount warhammer 40k race, like someone read the first page of necrons and empire and then decided to mash the two together with some vaguely Gothic architecture

[@Ghost_of_Avalon]

Wait... Necron... NECK-RON... There we go

[@gwenhudacky9335]

No matter how silly this movie is, i can't help but to love it.

[@voidtremor6329]

still gotta love the necromongers style even if they completely insane. I love the Riddick series.

[@vwflow]

Necromongols made me laugh more than it should have

[@eds1942]

The stupid part was that they dedicated themselves towards reaching the Underverse and had a path to secession by way of killing your predecessor, yet they allowed Lord Marshall what’s-his-name to take control and distract them from their goal, corrupting their ideology. He was wiping out planets as opposed to conquering them since he lived in fear of possibly making another Riddick and he challenged Riddick on a one on one duel so that he wouldn’t seem weak. I don’t know about the lore as for the Underverse, but the rest was pretty effective historically.

[@b.w.22]

I love these vids, Zealot, and while it’s not an Advanced Sci-Fi civilization, I’d love to see your take on the Holnists of The Postman, seeing them and their Rule of 8 referenced in this. No matter what, bravo on a great, great series. I’ve sent the one on the Umbrella Corp. to many friends.

[@MediaZealot]

The Holnists will definitely appear in my Villain series at some point. Thanks for your support!

[@L.Reeves]

Can you imagine how dope pt 3 could've been if we got to watch riddick bring a necro army to fight those hammerhead bat things from pitch black? I mean "Riddick" was still a decent popcorn flick but I think they truly had an opportunity to end with a bang rather than a whimper Edit, Also I totally vote Thermians

[@WaldemarPerezJr]

I love this movie. The art style was so good. Even if it wasn't perfect.

[@truefanforum3273]

I agree. Every aspect of the Necromonger society is a visual feast. It definitely stands out among other sci-fi civilizations.

[@FictagiousDaveSavage]

The Riddick franchise is one of my favourites. Riddick himself being one of my all time favourite character. The purifier process is what has to be in question; Maybe, it all depends on the "willpower" of the individual? I think it is. When the Neros invade, they over exert to show off their power in numbers, making it seem impossible to combat against. This alone would break the will of the majority of people and have the purifier convert their mind very easily, turning them into somewhat zombies that follow orders. You're right about some that are converted to stay alive and maybe have a little more willpower for personal survival to somewhat have some control over their own thoughts. Those that do have their own thoughts, no doubt wish to engage with the "keep what you kill" rule, but... Would you ever challenge someone who shows such supernatural abilities of killing you in an instant? This is what Zhylaw banked on heavily, which is why his head was always on a swivel. No one would out-right challenge him and he would also not hesitate to kill his own if they even displeased him. Fear, was his weapon. As for adding to his outfit, Zhylaw didn't care for the "drones" of his army. He would sacrifice hundreds or even thousands in his show of power. Which is why he would convert the conquered to *replenish the ranks*, as he said in the movie. He simply does not care for the drones that can be easily replaced. Vaako, did seem the most honourable of the army and wanted to be somewhat of the leader of reform. He just needed the chance but had to do the bidding of Zhylaw till his time came, whenever that was. In all, just like every other religion, there's always something to change, tweak, or totally reform, because nothing is perfect. I would love to discus ideas for a new Riddick story and even a Predator crossover story I have, if you ever want to do videos on movie ideas that could work and people would want to see. Great video.

[@SA80TAGE]

Predator crossover would be great. Riddick _should_ be able to see the Predator while cloaked too, as it bends light and it would appear very odd and obvious to him.

[@FictagiousDaveSavage]

@@SA80TAGE If you type into Google "Riddick X Predator", you'll come across my concept that actually has what you said about their vision. They can't hide from each other!

[@royalrexford]

I would never defend this movie to anyone, but I absolutely love it.

[@CelticVictory]

This may be a movie where you either enjoy it or you don't.

[@EmperorDionx]

This guy is really underrated, a hidden gem on KZbin

[@viorp5267]

How is he hidden he has 80k subs. That's pretty big.

[@rocketrooster2410]

Get this comment pinned.

[@Oravankarva]

Thank god i found this gem!

[@dr1742]

He's truly great. I could watch these all day. :)

[@EmperorDionx]

@@viorp5267 80k subs (at the time of this comment) is a really small channel actually...

[@manlystan100]

You know I watch these videos just to see how long until Media Zealot takes to make me laugh. Often I can't make to a whole minute. Thank you Media Zealot, you've helped cope with clinical depression and I am forever grateful now.

[@joshuasepeda3289]

I'm convinced the air elemental told the Marshal about the prophecy in order to make it happen. She calculated Zylor would be paranoid enough to lash out at perceived threats and so decided to pit him against a warrior race that would have the best chance of defeating him. It's actually smart if you strip away all morality. She was a psycho for condemning so many innocents.

[@wjzav1971]

I know that the Necromongers were a hard turn in the franchise, and it was understandable that they wanted to go back to the roots in the third movie. But I am still a little disappointed that they didn't continue the story of Riddick being the Lord Marshall properly. I would have been actually very curious about how an empire of religious purging zealots would have turned out under the rule of a non-believing chaotic outlaw. The possibilities man! -Maybe Riddick does visit the Underverse and is partly convinced that it is a good thing and he struggles internally if he should follow through on Necromonger ideology or remain true to himself. -Maybe Riddick tries to turn the Necromongers into a force of good only to see it all go to waste when he realizes that they simply can never be. -Maybe an even bigger threat appears and Riddick has to lead this army into the field against a galactic scale catastrophe. -Maybe he finds out that the Underverse IS real and the Necromonger religion is correct but was simply perverted and tries to fix it going against the old anti-reformists. And Vaako is unsure if he should follow Riddick or the anti-reformists. -Maybe whateverhisname returns from the Underverse with an undead army and hunts Riddick. What do you think?

[@morganrenders3139]

yes exactly, the third movie waste the second

[@ShadowLibrarian]

Their society could be the poster child of the series.

[@Drew_Thompson]

7:30 empires arming their troops with melee weapons against firearms is not unheard of, this was standard during WW1 when there weren't enough guns to go around and many people lacked firearm experience. in addition necromonger armor seems to take ranged weapon fire very well. it's possible that new troops are given this role to instill aggression much like bayonet training in the marine corps.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Any rifle that can attach a bayonet means the nation of that army considers melee a viable options against a reloading enemy. Which means almost all of todays nations.

[@theMyouknow]

They had a legit strategy a crew of men and one Signalist, take it into the middle of the enemy army and activate the signal, teleporters homing in a whole army around the main army or defense rendering cover or retreat mute, I mean if I had the technology and fearless soldiers I would have the same strategy to save more lives by sacrificing a few. The can replenish their ranks so easy by converting atleast half the planet so I mean why not.

[@MizukageSteve]

*me waking up my entire family and the neighbors* HURRY HURRY THERES A NEW MEADIA ZEALOT VIDEO

[@treacherousjslither6920]

I love this series. The Necromongers were awesome.

[@thegreywanderer8427]

Well, I've seen stupider. I've seen Battlefield Earth.

[@richmcgee434]

You have my sympathy. It could have been worse, though. I've read the damn book. The film's a work of art by comparison.

[@voxdraconia4035]

Why ? They were all taught TO CONQUER GALAXIES ... WITH THE POWER OF LEVERAGE

[@CelticVictory]

I've scene way dumber movies too.

[@spardasquadspqr3535]

@briar patch cabin was fine till.the end. Ending made it retarded af

[@indyrock8148]

Anyone for a tasty rat?

[@munchiemac2895]

I absolutely love how you incorporate Tuvok into these videos

[@ravenclawtom]

me who has only seen pitch black: *Dear god what is going on in there!?*

[@cezarysiemieniewski5502]

I am so sorry you had to see this. Third one is decent tho. And games are fun.

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Pitch Black was ok - no progressive BS.

[@seby826]

i am one of these rare people who saw that movie before pitch black, i wish they had continue making them while giving the fast and the furious franchise a short break

[@kysike666]

Pitch Black was a Good Movie

[@ravenclawtom]

@@kysike666 aye yeah. quite a good watch mate. so i was quite confused watching the direction that franchise went.

[@AnonYmous-mc5zx]

The Necromongers were the species equivalent of an MLM.

[@bluebankrollarmy4384]

They did so much world building for the Necromongers with one movie i wish there was a lot more of them and that we could see more of them

[@polloduh]

Civilizations too stupid to exist Earth: Hold my mask...

[@Mittke88]

The second installment is the best one!

[@regidio5083]

16:06 perfect wording. Ngl your vid on the Necromongers helped me flesh out my own stories even better, thank you so much MZ.

[@TheAgent0060]

I love how he uses Tuvok's cold logic in these videos

[@robertdelvalle8916]

Amazing breakdown of their culture, well down, didn't know the back storys of the previous lord Marshalls.

[@petriew2018]

the movie's awful, and the villains don't make any sense... but damn if they don't have a sense of style most scifi villains would envy.

[@M0rdFustang]

Fully agree about the style part... But the movie isn't awful lol

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Skullhat preists mmm hmmm

[@CelticVictory]

The movie isn't awful. It's the best of the Riddick trilogy.

[@aldahirlopez3757]

the movie is awfuly awesome

[@stillamitchinmybook6320]

These movies were beast asf!!!

[@Themanofpopculture]

I swallowed my spit, started laughing while coughing and choking when you propped up killmonger on screen LOL

[@blaster5800]

I actually never understood the necromonger at all. I mean, WTF were they doing, in the first place?

[@noman1122]

Being idiots I guess.

[@adolfodef]

[Actually] It makes perfect logic sense: . ALL Life should be eliminated in (that) entire universe. . Necromongers are living creatures (each one should also die, eventually). . If ALL Necromongers are death, there is no way to "check" if all other life is dead. -> Then: ~Some~ necromongers must remain alive (for the sake of the "Greater Good" of eliminating all life in the unvierse AND "be sure about it"). This includes ~some~ anciliary living things like some plants and animals for food.

[@Dagreatdudeman]

Mongering necros.

[@Shatterverse]

Have you ever read a religious book? They rarely make sense or maintain coherence. Necros are just evil space Mormons using a name they probably found in an "ancient text" that was actually just the last surviving fragments of some goth kid's journal.

[@twoscarabsintheswarm9055]

@@Shatterverse yeah Makes Sense

[@David8n]

My immediate reaction to this film was "where the f*** is the massive industrial complex that builds and fuels this nomadic society"?

[@justinstrohm8522]

Literally just evil Shakers.

[@anonfaceless6088]

Love all your content. Well done bud. Been watching since your earliest videos.

[@staav5551]

Has anyone made a Fast & Furian joke yet?

[@Ramsey276one]

I WILL look for them! XD

[@alisterfolson]

Too bad they couldn't find an epic "what happened next" sequel to that epic ending when he was king

[@alisterfolson]

@Kgothatso Nthite Sorry "that wasn't it"

[@alisterfolson]

@Kgothatso Nthite I hear ya. I just thought it was too convenient, lazy writing. Tbh any movie following The Chronicles of Riddick's had their work cut out for them.

[@masongalioth4110]

CJ Meiko accurate.

[@dysamoria]

Diesel and Twohy have said that the third film was made to get more funding for the part they really dig: the space opera. So that second film is the one they're most interested in. They still plan to make another big lore film, but it's a passion project and isn't likely to get made by big Hollywood money. Who knows if more will be made, ever, but that's the stuff they liked the most.

[@masongalioth4110]

@@dysamoria aw man. They already had public investment. They just had to keep momentum. Its a true shame.

[@benedictjajo]

*in a deep voice filled with Testosterone "It's been a long time since I smelled beautiful"

[@grandsome1]

Perfect for a man's shampoo/soap commercial.

[@MrWaterlionmonkey]

That "ridgiddick" part is the funniest thing I've heard you say. I'm in stiches laughing

[@ClassifiedExperiment]

Here is one for your consideration: The aliens from the Species franchise.

[@JoshuaWilkesR]

Eagerly awaiting notification bell

[@remc0s]

But we don't know anything about them. Only that they sent us their DNA.

[@ClassifiedExperiment]

@@remc0s The movie has a load to sequels. I'm sure there is plenty to pick. Conquest by horny alien seems like a weak plan to me.

[@Haru-spicy]

admittedly, the lord-marshall had to do something like fighting riddick in single combat, to prove he was strong enough to be worthy of his throne, or he'd risk being usurped (what he didn't know was that he was already being usurped, woops), so that wasn't so much stupidity in the moment as it was painting himself into his own corner

[@pitiedvod]

They have Thandie Newton amongst their ranks, so they kind of win everything.

[@trolololololll]

On the other hand ,the necromongers have the best A/C tecnology.The purifier under the tent is barely sweating ,the time he leaves it ,hes burning to ashes. And there wasnt even a wall or glass !!

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Also, the Necromongers seem to have a real difficulty with the correct nunciation of certain words (no, that was not a typo)

[@Tom-rg2ex]

I don't know why Tuvok was sprinkled throughout this video but I fully enjoyed it.

[@redacted9755]

Top-Tier youtube content Keep up the great work, I really appreciate it

[@KagagiouX]

Ah, the Frieza logic!

[@jacksonschadt7573]

Advanced Sci-Fi Civilizations too stupid to win: The Great Diamond Authority?

[@TrueBlueAndrew]

I love all the Tuvok quotes.

[@Necromonger69]

I never understood how a species can just go around the universe conquering other planets and not inevitably meet a superior race than them?

[@DreamersOfReality]

Author might be subconsciously inspired by colonialist tropes. The British Empire was the most militarily powerful empire, once, and conquered vast swathes of the earth.

[@munstrumridcully]

_"Necro-Mongols"_ ... Bravo! That made me genuinely laugh-out-loud ! Well played! I tip my proverbial cap to you, good sir! 🙂🤔🙂

[@agent_skully]

Do Starfleet or The Klingon Empire next.

[@dr1742]

Even as a Trekkie, I say GO FOR IT!! XD

[@voxdraconia4035]

Neither is really too stupid to ... well, Klingons maybe, I grant that ...

[@crowsclub9606]

I know I am probably the only person on the planet, but I loved chronicles of Riddick. The cast was pretty epic. Karl Urban, Thandi Newton, Judi Dench, & Colm Feore just to name a few.

[@crowsclub9606]

Just had to tak this on I kind of thought they were like the borg.

[@3faltigeralexandro]

"Necroism only survives by manner of a few tacked-on revisions." - Sooo, ... like any religion. ;)

[@richmcgee434]

Accurate.

[@scutumfidelis1436]

You should explain that better. Science is constantly revised but nobody complains about that.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

@@scutumfidelis1436 Science is based on evidence and can be proven and used. Religion is based on belief and feelings.

[@scutumfidelis1436]

@@treacherousjslither6920 Yeah but then you have to profess a faith in epistemology. Can what we think is true is true, is reality objective? Etc. Etc. To make it simpler, how do we know we are not cartesian brains in a vat?

[@mikedrop4421]

And Bethesda video games.

[@platt_mallar]

Well done video! I was expecting a E.W.W. style video, but this is so much better. You guys take a deep dive into this universe and explain, logically, why it's so stupid. This was so much more rational, unbiased, and academic than I expected. Bravo.

[@agent_skully]

Starfleet security is the WORST. Their ships are constantly boarded, captured, crippled, destroyed or straight-up hijacked. They allow officers and crew to return to duty after being compromised... as in assimilated or brainwashed by alien technology. I've never seen any defenses around earth other than three puny ships in Enterprise. They only send a single ship on most missions. No support or escort ships are assigned when they must venture into a situation that is known in advance to be dangerous or at least dodgy. They let their two most highly-advanced starships - the USS Voyager and the highly classified USS Prometheus - get lost and or hijacked on their maiden missions. Their policy of refusing to make warships while surrounded by several hostile, militant alien territories is reckless and they should have been overwhelmed long ago. Their technology is shoddy. The tech that someone needs the most in a crisis situation will inevitably fail them or will not work in random places and environments. The most important example of this is the HUGE liability of Geordi's VISOR. It was hacked in order to facilitate an assassination (which failed.) Apparently he didn't upgrade the VISOR's cyber security - or construct a better one - because it happened a second time... only this time it was the direct cause for the total destruction of the USS Enterprise, Starfleet's flagship. Despite a clearly HUGE armada as seen in DS9, when there's an emergency, the Enterprise seems to be the only ship in range. I could go on but even though I LOVE Star Trek, Starfleet (and without their protection,) the entire Federation is too stupid to exist.

[@NimhLabs]

With the "surrounded by militant alien territories" I think they are attempting to play the Belgium Card... where if any of those alien factions invade Federation Space, it would justify the OTHER Alien Factions to attack the invading one. Knowing humans, they are just trying to EGG on those other militant aliens by looking extra invadible, which would be a mistake to attempt Also, like Belgium, the Federation is fucking CRAZY as frick... there are plenty of posts about "Humans Are Space Orks" posts out there, but I enjoy this one [ imgur.com/gallery/qSmHy ]... so there is a chance that those Militant Alien races just know better than to try to fuck with the cray cray Aliens Fucking Belgiums... you don't fuck with them... because then you have to deal with fucking Belgiums

[@agent_skully]

@@NimhLabs That's funny as hell but when the flagship's chief engineer gets lured and abducted by the Pakleds...

[@NimhLabs]

@@agent_skully sounds like a case of Yanks kidnapping a Belgium Engineer Nothing good can come from that scenario

[@allamericanslacker2378]

@@agent_skully We are a force.

[@allamericanslacker2378]

@@agent_skully We look for things; things that make us go.

[@hamburglar83]

This sounds exactly like modern civilization.

[@enoughothis]

I heard there was a new video. I came as quickly as I could.

[@jeffreyhejny7522]

You weren't quick enough, smh. You must have to much going on, and I require you to stop.

[@teeheeteeheeish]

Gross

[@Kentucky_Blue]

Chronicles was well-paced with cool locations and conflicts. A few steps above mindless sci-fi action IMO. The one after that was a slog.

[@matthewdavies2057]

I loved the Necros and hope to see more of them in the future. Are they real and 100% logicial? Well of course not. It's a SF movie. But they are fun to watch.

[@superherbs369]

Rick B. Rigiddick! Too funny! This is one of my go-to movies to watch when I feel like a good laugh. Gotta love how the entire trilogy tries so hard to take itself serious and yet...I think they wanted to make a sci-fi dramatic comedy or something.

[@sephandremanticore5438]

You mentioned Anakin during the Furyan umbilical stranglings and it made me realize: if Sidious had prophecized that Darth Vader would be defeated by a lone "youngling", it would have made more sense to the audience that young Ani would suddenly fall off the deep end and go all fleischwolf on a bunch of crying biddies.

[@kellinwinslow1988]

It's interesting. Even though I agree with most of the points made here I still really like all 3 of these films. They aren't perfect it's true but there are a lot of things to like about them. Maybe it's the setting,maybe it's the well done action or the soundtracks, maybe it's the fact that Vin Diesel does have a certain charm to him which helps Riddick as a character in much the same way that Keanu Reeves helps with John Wick. Maybe it's the Dune inspired set designs. At least these films feel a little different than many other action movies now. Whatever it is I hope they make the 4th one they have been talking about.

[@Aiijuin]

I agree. I loved all the Riddick movies too. They had beautiful set designs and world building.

[@kellinwinslow1988]

@@Aiijuin Yep. I was always interested in the world they made even if some of it doesn't make total sense. I actually like the fact that the leader of the Necro's makes mistakes. People do that in real life all the time. Riddick only won by a lucky break. The fact that he didn't want to rule them is pretty cool and fits his personality. I always thought that he just wanted to be left alone. Watching all 3 movies,plus the anime and playing the game,really do a good job at creating an interesting world.

[@EELLISON2012]

The same holds for most human religions. They can't prove any of it

[@EELLISON2012]

@@kellinwinslow1988 Does the Bible make sense?

[@kellinwinslow1988]

@@EELLISON2012 It does if you're a Christian. If you don't believe in anything then it's not going to help you. I'd recommend reading the C.S Lewis book,Mere Christianity. Mainly the first half. Then make up your own mind. For myself,I do believe.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The band Divine Heresy has an album themed after this movie. It's actually pretty good

[@ihatecommunism9958]

"Lord Marshall, a man from earth has been discovered to be a prophet. He's made a form of video that says will we cease to exist." Lord Marshall: *"Set course to Earth so I can meet this prophet. He seems to know how all of use can reach the Underverse quickly!"*

[@houseofaction]

if Vaako is leading the entire group into the under verse for a pilgramage wouldn't that mean that the entire group would be come HALF/DEAD granting the entire group a fraction of enhanced powers making them even more dangerous

[@bitterliquid2640]

Amusingly this is probably the best breakdown of the really interesting lore of this movie out there.

[@crocidile90]

Can't wait till Stargate gets a go at this (looks at the O'ri and Go'auld)

[@brainblessed5814]

What about tau'ri?

[@CelticVictory]

@@brainblessed5814 It's the Tau'ri and that's what humans are called.

[@turtleh]

Riddick and Vin Diesel are great. This was the strongest entry in the series.

[@FrostSoul-qs6kq]

Necromongers rules in nutshell : YOINK

[@fangthedergon1863]

The Necromongers are basically that guy in the D&D campaign who wants to play a cleric of death

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

Saint Tuvok returns! lol

[@DrinkTheKoolAid62]

I always considered the Necromongers to be a stylized version of the Mongols and they existed - for a very long time

[@thorshammer7883]

Is the SCP Foundation smart enough to survive in its universe where random anomalies of different scale and behavior exist and where ancient mighty elder gods wait outside the universe to prepare to eat everything in sight and have cults who do their bidding?

[@verylateandtired3504]

The problem with doing SCP would be that 1. They are not a civilization and 2. There is no consistent canon. The Foundation is both at once hyper competent and totally inept, often in the same SCP, depending on the needs of the story. They are cartoonishly evil, ruthlessly pragmatic, foolishly idealistic and out and out good guys all at the same time. I love SCP, but it would be a mess to take down in a format like this because contradictions can be found to literally any point you could make about them

[@CelticVictory]

Even if it was smart enough to survive, this channel would never admit it.

[@hartianx1698]

@@verylateandtired3504 Justification for that would be "multiverse" or some other shenanigans which really doesn't help with any sort of consistencies at all but I guess it's just more of a way to be able to have everyone's stories be valid despite the contradictions.

[@FrshJurassicPrnceYA]

“Dick B. Rigid!” That part took me out 😂😂