Advanced Sci-fi Civilisations Too Stupid To Really Exist Ep.23 - The Precursors (Pacific Rim)

[@MediaZealot]

Who's next? Support Media Zealot on Patreon or through Channel membership, to vote and gain access to other perks: www.patreon.com/mediazealot kzbin.infojoin Please also consider liking the video, subscribing and dinging that bell icon. 1. The Thermians (Galaxy Quest) 2. The Glukkons (Oddworld) 3. The Mithraic and the Atheists (Raised by Wolves) 4. The Pakleds (Star Trek) 5. The Strangers (Dark City) If you have any other ideas for contenders, let me know in the comments below!

[@brandonmunsen6035]

Anyone civ from Halo or Sauron or Sauruman ftom Lotr

[@hyperx72]

The Thermians or the covenant from Halo

[@Spartan_803]

I have a suggestion. Villains too stupid to win: The covenant. (Paramount Halo series) They are so stupid, they'd rather send hundreds of their best warriors to die opposed to sending in the billions of alien species significantly weaker than their elites.

[@hyperx72]

@@Spartan_803 Please don't include the awful TV series, the covenant are interesting enough on their own when we avoid that travesty

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@MediaZealot The Mithraic and the Atheists (Raised by Wolves) for me! And: The Magisterium (The Golden Compass Film and Novels)

[@artur6912]

Pacific Rim was such a cool movie. To bad, they never made a sequel. I would love to see Becket and Mori team up again to fight some more giant monsters.

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

Yeah but I mean imagine if they'd made a sequel that completely fucked everything up. Perhaps it's better that it stay one and done.

[@artur6912]

@@JamesTobiasStewart True, better to get one good movie than to have it ruined by a terrible follow up.

[@dillonstack2364]

This videos is the sequel that we have all been waiting for

[@justsomeguywatchingyoutube8104]

At least we're getting a prequel series

[@jorgepena2210]

​@@JamesTobiasStewart please dont say things like this, or else some director might see it and make a sequel😖

[@casbot71]

It would have made more internal logic for the Dinosaurs to have defeated the original invasion because _then the current Kaiju are the Precursors attempt to counter Dinosaurs._ Kaiju would have been very effective against the large Dinosaurs, who prehaps Jurassic Park'ed the original Precursor ground teams. So, the Precursors took inspiration from what defeated them. Then add in that their portals are not in sync with linear time with Earth. So when they fully closed the Dinosaur linked portals, because they wanted to go after another target while they developed their anti-Dino weapons, they lost the temporal link to the Jurassic period. They can only lock on to one reality at a time, but once they are locked they can then generate different portals to it. Then when they were ready to do round two with the Dinosaurs and have their Kaiju completely wipe out all the Dinosaurs big enough to be an individual threat to a Precursor on foot, they discovered they'd hit the wrong era. And had to make the best of it. *It does make a certain kind of sense.* Especially if they're not used to dealing with non bio-tech civilisations. Other intelligent species don't tend to have the electricity, machinery, and computers paradigm for their technology. And that's why they also had sweet FA in terms of defence. They weren't worried about Dinosaurs breaching their portals so they weren't configured for more than "Don't let in any big Earth lizards." It also implies the scary concept that the Precursors could always disengage and then come back with bespoke anti- _technological war apes_ weaponry. The Precursors might not be good at quick adaptations and changing their civilisation, but there are two dangerous possibilities. That if they don't line up in linear time they could always have a huge lead up time out of sync. That while they don't progress independently and are stagnant when alone without outside contact, they adapt and evolve very effectively to outside stimulus. They are a stimulus/response species, whereas Humanity advances by itself - although it could be argued that Humans are constantly at a form of war as they compete with each other. A hive mind only reacts. So facing Dinosaurs they developed a very effective Dinosaur counter. Now facing technological Humans, what will they develop?

[@casbot71]

p.s. Yes, I have been diagnosed with AuDHD.

[@DanielLCarrier]

Another thing worth noting is that dinosaurs were around for longer than they've been extinct. The Precursors had every reason to expect them to still be there.

[@jasonmiller6181]

I really like this because it makes them less stupid and more "making the best of a bad situation." You've essentially turned them into much more intelligent beings this way. You could reason why they don't just shut the portal off by having it require an IMMENSE amount of energy to open and stabilize; hey, that's why they were near a sun, siphoning off its energy for the portal. But once the process starts, it cannot stop so it stays open until the sun is consumed (could take hundreds, if not thousands, of years to do so). Furthermore, the more energy used from the sun means more Kaiju can go through. This would explain the logarithmic shortening of Breaches. It would make sense for Kaiju to have built-in-self-destruct mechanisms. When killed, they rapidly deteriorate into Kaiju Blue, rather than that being their blood. There's very little time to study them, drift with them, or utilize their body parts. Fun fact: there was a drastic shift in Earth's atmosphere around 200 million years ago where it went from a more CO2, methane, and hydrogen sulfide to one with more oxygen and nitrogen. The Kaiju originally fighting dinosaurs would explain that sudden shift. Now there's an added threat when humans kill them. This was fun to type out and think on, please feel free to expand on this or critique me lol

[@ignusthemad3150]

@@casbot71 we are 2 now

[@VineFynn]

​@@casbot71 Audhd is such a cringe term.

[@casbot71]

*Precursor Dinosaurs invasion:* And we would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn't for that meddling asteroid....

[@krankarvolund7771]

If they couldn't take control of Earth in 154 millions years, I'm sorry but they were too dumb to take control of Earth XD

[@TexasCat99]

​@@krankarvolund7771maybe some of them were flat earthers?

[@Gigi4u]

I thought they ment that the Kiaju were responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. Would make a lot more sense because you wouldn't have the plot hole of the soposed Kiajudinosaurs failing to pick the earth clean for millions of years.

[@stanurena3129]

@@TexasCat99worse, some were hollow earthers

[@TexasCat99]

@stanurena3129 hey, now, the hollow Earth is real! Some guy made a model that makes complete sense. LOL. SMH.... And these people vote and reproduce somehow.

[@lukasd7760]

I'm still amazed at how many usable quotes Tuvok has

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

The man is a legend for a reason.

[@chefdean7257]

I searched for more, but . . . "Man , we ain't found shit !"

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@chefdean7257 but did you comb through every desert?

[@chefdean7257]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Yes, but a terrorist neck pinched by Picard told me We Ain't Found Shit !

[@MediaZealot]

"I am fully capable of appreciating this phenomenon without the extraneous sentimentality humans find so necessary."

[@CosmicFist78]

"teaching a human your space magic was a ridiculously shortsighted idea" can sum up a lot of sci-fi and comic books

[@richardarriaga6271]

The Psychlos specifically forbade teaching man-animals their stuff, but they were monstrously dumb.

[@za5528]

Seerow's kindness

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@richardarriaga6271it’s actually quite ironic that the book Hubble made right before founding Scientology was a story about a greedy, lazy, selfish and miserable alien enslaver who ends up being the undoing of his race due to his desire for money and power causing him to do underhanded things to gain advantage….like, how did he not notice this.

[@Kat_Oran]

"Releasing Kaiju that are, at best, a match for the local wildlife." 🤣🤣

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

Australian fauna is so weak they get rekt by dogs and cats.

[@moggy1998]

​@naamadossantossilva4736 obviously you don't live in Australia

[@blacky8987]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 kid literally the 99% of wildlife in autralia can and will try to kill u.

[@igncom1]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 Australian fauna also now includes Humans.

[@Dinoslay]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 Saltwater crocodile and taipan snake: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@evancarlson5805]

My favorite part of this video is Media Zealot admitting he's never watched The Shape of Water because Pacific Rim didn't get a sequel.

[@Blodhelm]

He didn't miss much.

[@molybdaen11]

@@Blodhelm He missed the heroic whale tough.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

I watched that movie.I would say he dodged a M358 APBC-T.

[@Bangin0utWest]

I didn't watch it because it looked awful

[@skeleton1696]

It's a shame he won't because it still has so sequel

[@brainstorm9560]

0:10: "Finnish off the pacific rim job" 😂😂😂

[@robertagu5533]

Well... wouldn't want to get Blue Kaiju balls....

[@tachyon8317]

Well played

[@robertcampbell8070]

Why not Swedish then off instead?

[@peanheadm7883]

That's funny. He should've used that joke in the video

[@Laarye]

Wait... The Precursors were supposed to be humans from the future...? And their brilliant idea was to go back in time to wipe themselves out so they could take over... Ouch. Oww. Oooowww. That's so stupid it's literally causing me pain. Right behind my left eye. It seriously feels like a hot ice pick right behind the eye. I've waited 15 minutes to actually post this since writing and the pain is still there and I can only make out light from that eye. I'm going to the hospital because of stupid future human bs

[@AlphaOmega1237]

Same. That was painfully dumb. I'd argue much worse than Kaiju Jaeger hybrids. 😅

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@AlphaOmega1237 at least the Cybernetic Kaiju looked cool.

[@DanielLCarrier]

If it's a single timeline, it's doomed to failure, but if it's multiple timelines it would work. Though they really should know better than to invade only when there's dinosaurs and when their ancestors became intelligent.

[@_MECHA_]

They aren't.

[@thesorrow4664]

😂

[@krankarvolund7771]

"The precursors are a civilisation building all their things from flesh and bone, who are insatiable predators stripping planets bare of all ressources" That's the Tyranides. With more generic Kaiju designs XD

[@613aristocrat]

Plot twist, it was the Tyranids all along trying out a different strategy.

[@Tyranid_Hive_Mind]

​@@613aristocrat nah, that's my cousin

[@CameronHuff]

Do I sense heresy in that statement? Do not admire xeno scum or you will get a visit from a Commissar.

[@Tyranid_Hive_Mind]

@CameronHuff there's no heresy here

[@generationm2059]

The Tyranids are more likely to succeed because they're not stupid future humans.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

0:37 i just realize both Precurso species are similar in that they fought another civilization creating biological weapons, the key difference is that the one from Halo actually transformed into the weapon and that they actually accomplished their objective

[@cameronspence4977]

Thats why this pacific rim universe is so stupid and badly made. They literally are just ripping off halo. Even gypsy danger looks like a big robot version of master chief. I halfway expected the covenant to come barging in and attack the next time a kaiju came up.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

They are the monument to our sins.

[@justifano7046]

@@cameronspence4977 "Gypsy danger, can I ask what you're doing at the bottom of the pacific ocean?" "Sir, Finishing this fight"

[@jamesonhiggins]

Counterpoint: the precursors used the dinosaurs to conquer earth, moved in, and then lived here WITH the dinosaurs for millions of years. Then they were wiped out by the same meteor as the dinosaurs, along with all of their bio-organic civilization. Whatever this looks like in the fossil record, it’s missed as background noise among the other devastation.

[@purplehaze2358]

According to Del Toro, had he actually had any involvement in Pacific Rim's sequel, he was throwing around the idea of making the Precursors former humans. I'm not saying I'm glad we got the sequel we did, but.. I know a bad idea when I hear one.

[@belafeldbusch3397]

What are you on about? There is no such thing as a second Pacific Rim movie

[@GeorgeMonet]

Why? That concept worked perfectly fine for Doom 3.

[@pluntchgunster6156]

Literally just the plot to halo.

[@justifano7046]

@@pluntchgunster6156? Precursors weren't humans lol

[@barryallen2240]

​@@justifano7046 Um, actually, they were gonna be

[@rogersmith9535]

It's a shame there wasn't a sequel to Pacific Rim to flesh out the precursors.

[@aliastheabnormal]

Star Wars Legends fleshes them out. They go by the name Yuuzan Vong there.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@@aliastheabnormalor basically any “old race that uses flesh weapons”

[@GXKSS19]

But the yuzhang vong were actually really close to winning

[@KnucklesxReala911]

Don't sweat it, Guillermo said they were going to turn out to be future evolved humans traveling to Teh past to restructure earth to live there

[@cadkls]

Uprising?

[@ragnarok1984p]

So every time the precursors send a kaiju to earth they do it with a "please don't step on my great-great-great-great-grandfathe" mantra . Or maybe place bets precursor1: I bet 200$ your ancestor gets squished first precursor2:I bet 1000$ we all our ancestors get squished .

[@dabluflcn]

I love the aliens invade Earth in the dumbest way possible trope. Because they're not the apex predator, we are. We make movies like this salivating at the thought. This is probably why aliens don't actually talk to us.

[@asandax6]

It's mostly because in reality any civilization that can cross thousands of light years with massive ships can pretty much wipe out humanity in a few hours. They can just grab a big enough asteroid and chuck it at Earth and boom we're dead.

[@Jebu911]

Bet the aliens that study us would be laughing at our movies. If a species can get here presumably faster than light or somehow creating wormholes I'm pretty sure they would have the tech to just blast us into oblivion with ease. Ill just hope those aliens are kinder than we are 😅

[@dabluflcn]

@@Jebu911 Obviously were aliens to exist and able to cross the expanse of space to come here there wouldn't be a fight against them. We would just lose. I like the trope of aliens invading Earth in the dumbest way possible because it's funny.

[@Demonslayer153]

​@@Jebu911they would just create a barrier around our solar system preventing us from moving beyond it...''this solar system is off limits due to...''😅😂

[@ObiWahnKnobi]

If the precursors were after ressources...why not exploit the ones in the deep sea before waging war on the surface dwellers?

[@GeorgeMonet]

Or just find a different planet? There are 10^X uninhabited planets in the universe.

[@igncom1]

Or just invent battle krill, and dominate the whole ecosystem.

[@justifano7046]

@@GeorgeMonet this. It's very unlikely we'll get invaded by hostile aliens irl for this exact reason. There's literally no point in waging war with humans to get resources that exist in plentiful quantities on uninhabited planets

[@RavinerPayne]

12:09 What you don't know is that the Precursors are future humans training us to fight a future threat.

[@cameronspence4977]

Now *that* would be an actually good movie.

[@ArmandoEnfectana-bp6jo]

​@@cameronspence4977, That is stupid, because the Humans will learned that theses monsters are made of they're future children, so they will threat the Precursor of "If you attack us, We will make sure you didn't even exist". And how the fuck they forget they're machine Technology?

[@Spazticated]

If they can time travel couldn't they just go back to before the threat was a threat and strangle it when it was like a baby or something?

[@Rob_Thorsman]

​@@Spazticated Perhaps the threat was from a distant planet, and they developed time travel before space travel of that distance. They could never travel to the distant planet at any time, so any preparations they made had to be on Earth.

[@GeorgeMonet]

Maybe they are just future humans who were so embarrassed by past humans that they wanted to erase their own history.

[@Garviel-Loken]

"Quick, the giant, well armed mech is no longer working, Build a wall! They have to respect boundaries, at the very least"

[@r.a.fgattaiguy845]

even if those walls worked what´s stopping the kaiju from just, like, climbing them?

[@Garviel-Loken]

@r.a.fgattaiguy845 Possibly a leaflet campaign. At the very most a strongly worded letter to the Kaiju's legal team.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

Sure if there was something actually on the walls, and able to react to a breach. Walls aren't a bad idea. Like I don't know. Huge guns? They can build em. Cover the wall with rail guns on rails!

[@jaykay6222]

@@r.a.fgattaiguy845 The wall just gives the legal team time to write up a cease and desist.

[@gamingmoth4542]

I've got some ideas for Villains too Stupid to Win... General Mandible: Antz Lord Farquaad: Shreak Prince Charming: Also Shreak

[@issholland]

Why general mandible?

[@gamingmoth4542]

@@isshollandat best his plan was pointless and counterproductive. At worst his plan was reckless and could've killed off the whole colony.

[@issholland]

@@gamingmoth4542 I gotta watch it again. Will report back.

[@robertagu5533]

​@gamingmoth4542 true he LITERALLY tried to cause a Military Coup mixed with what would been their equal to a Bug Made Mega Disaster..

[@issholland]

So I first saw this when I was like 9. Of course the second plan was dumb (tunnel under water) but even the first was too. It would be like if Elon launched a tactical nuke in order to build the hyper tunnel

[@teddyriggs1305]

21:30 Chances are he got this idea on Getter Robo, hell most of Pacific Rim has Getter Robo influence most specifically Getter Robo Go(manga version). Where the twist is that the Aliens are Traveling back in time to prevent Humans from going to Space because future Humans go 40k Imperium with a Planet Size Giant Robot and is succeeding in wiping out all Alien Life.

[@yogeybogeybear3542]

I think this episode fails to understand that the precursor civilisations primary entertainment franchise is giant monsters fighting giant robots; but they lost their industrial capacity during the collapse and they just need to get back to rock em sock em robots

[@Thaumogenesis]

The Earth Defence Force begins now

[@thunderkrux7745]

Imagine if Jurassic Park movies and novels existed in Pacific Rim and they go back and watch it with new context like "Yeah that makes sense why that all went to crap now."

[@theslimcreeper3779]

Honestly. Humans being such a warmongering and destructive species, that they basically go back through time to punch themselfs in the face repeatedly, is a hilarious concept and I would have partied that Idea to hifl and back:D True r/humansarespaceorcs stuff

[@eviljoshy3402]

It's just insulting the precursors are future versions of us. It's all the more embarrassing they lost to their ancestors. That would be like modern America invading medieval Britain and somehow losing.

[@predatitor4183]

Or probably worse, they first try to invade Europe when the nederthalds still existed , and lose, and comeback to invade medieval britatain, and lose

[@ShahAbbas1571]

> _They have declared war on warmongering ape-men and they leave their portal open to their world just dangling above their heads..._ I kinda choked there for a bit there.

[@Axterix13]

The time between kaiju and the ramp up in size is explained by the movie, though. The portal can only handle so much, and using it slowly expands it. So they have to start small and spaced out, and only then can expand. Now, maybe they should make multiple portals, but if they can't for whatever reason (resources, energy needs, the various scientific forces involved, etc), it is what it is. They're still pretty dumb, mind you, but the portal tech apparently has limits. Until it doesn't, which goes against what was initially established.

[@john_blues]

We were the Precursors all along? What a twist!

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Desperation leads to mistakes and the Precursors failed to see the error of their self-destructive ways.

[@generationm2059]

Proof that human stupidity transcends both time and space.

[@ARandomLetterA]

So if the Precursors were smart what they shouldve done here is either: A. Create kaijus that carry variants of super viruses designed to wipe out humanity or mutagen that affects flora and fauna turning it into organisms that can help terraform earth when kaiju is killed. B. Create a kaiju that can do ranged atomic breath attacks while being an evolving radioactive hard 2 kill biohazzard like Shin Godzilla. C. Create Kaijus that has John Carpenter's the Thing hibernating inside its cells waiting to be active when human clean up crews arrive to get infected unsuspectedly.

[@diegoquezada3193]

Yeah a super virus would've been far simpler for wiping out humanity, they don't even have to make them kaijus, they could bioengineer small creatures to infiltrate human settlements and release said super virus.

[@Llortnerof]

Why bother with the Kaiju, just send the virus. Humans will probably half-wipe themself in their inability to properly handle pandemics.

[@Emanon...]

It's hilariously bad in Halo where the _forerunners_ are preceded by, get this, the _precursors_ . I imagine them sitting with a synonym thesaurus looking up "the ones that came before us" for the next big ancient thing they need in the franchise...

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@Emanon... but the Precursors are the origins of the flood so we already had something more ancient then the Forerunners

[@Hello-lf1xs]

@@jakespacepiratee3740could depend on when the precursors were actually put in the lore right?

[@ryan_1099]

It could have been just an adlib for the Bestiarum entry at first, but yeah having 2 ancient advanced civilizations probably gets iffy when it comes to naming them.

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@Hello-lf1xsprecursors are a 343 invention

[@Emanon...]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 Yes, absolutely. But they both mean the same thing (!). It's like having "The Ancients", but before them you had "The Old Ones". It's so goddamn lazy, poor writing.

[@GeorgeMonet]

The novelization is WRONG. According to the movie the dinosaurs were the animals that the Precursors tried fighting and lost to. When they released the novel they realized how impossibly stupid this was and tried to retcon it. But the movie is VERY CLEAR. The precursors fought the dinosaurs and lost.

[@ryanhoule4415]

If this was set in the Monsterverse, it would probably make more sense.

[@vanillabatcave5677]

I thought it was the enviroment that wasn't suitable?

[@damenwhelan3236]

​@vanillabatcave5677 Which environment? During the time of the dinos, the earth saw every biome we have today, glaciers and rain forests, times without glaciers and times when the atmosphere was higher in oxygen than today, and times when the co2 was higher than today. The Dino age spanned some 220 million years. But if they're fighting massive dinos then it was probably during the late Triassic to the late Cretaceous, which is 100 million years and still sees the environment shift

[@vanillabatcave5677]

@@damenwhelan3236 Newt said that the enviroment wasn't suitable for the Precursor species until human pollution made it habitable for them in the modern age (which doesn't make much sense either but it's what the movie says).

[@damenwhelan3236]

@@vanillabatcave5677 And then they brought up dinos.

[@midori_the_eldritch]

Honestly "the precursers seed life then harvest it" would have been a smarter idea, especially if humans were dealing with a mostly or fully automated system especially if they are at the end of a slow decay, possibly not even knowing where they get there food.

[@ReijiSakamaki]

I swear if I had a penny every time I saw "too bad they didn't make a sequel" while completely ignoring that 'Pacific Rim: The Black' exists and was an actual GOOD sequel. Seriously, if you want actual good Pacific Rim follow ups, GO WATCH THE BLACK. Give it your support, show them you still want it!

[@amagicmuffin1191]

it felt too ickily childrens' show to me, lost lots of the things that made pr1 cool to me :(

[@ivanbluecool]

Every tween girl movie like divergent or uglies basically. How teenagers can topple a government is always funny. Similar to anime when kids can do more in a week than most people can do in decades

[@casbot71]

But only once the teenage girl decides which of the two hot teenage boys that are rivals for her romantic attention will be her boyfriend. Yet no one ever suggests a throuple?

[@Koronia047]

Im sorry to burst your bubble but French and Russian revolutions both had primarily people in their teens and young adults in their 20's. Most revolutions are won by the young....

[@ivanbluecool]

@@Koronia047 if you consider 20 young then you are truly lost there. I'm sure 20 and 15 are definitely the same thing. Sorry but you burst your own bubble here

[@ivanbluecool]

@@OldManYellsAtClouds because they are all definitely led by a teenage girl. Don't prove my point there buddy

[@ivanbluecool]

@@OldManYellsAtClouds people under 20. Aka what I was just pointing out and you guys just proving my point. Plus is the french all you guys think of when chery picking? Even then I'm sure kids under 15 were the women with the knives too. Anyways thanks for the chuckle

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

3:46 I can confirm after Reading operation Red dragon that kaiju fighting an organized army of dinosaurs is absolutely awesome..but wait THEY CREATED DINOSAURS?! But...their related to archosaurs and dinosaurs also became birds..that doesn't add up! 8:34 now i'm getting flashbacks to the borg episode

[@pop5678eye]

The 'hive mind' is both a misnomer as well as one of the laziest plot devices to defeat aliens. Real hives of ants or bees don't immediately drop dead when their queen dies. In fact most have multiple queens at ready for contingency anyway. As for its use as a plot device it is so predictable the moment an alien species shows up and is confirmed to be 'telepathic' you might as well stop watching the movie because you already know how humans will somehow 'outsmart' and defeat them.

[@deadpan2866]

they should of explained the precursors the same way they describe the combine in half life. yes they are a super powerful interdimensional/galactic empire, but they do have limitations such as not knowing how to do local teleportation and the force on earth being a weak garrison force and not the main force. so the precursors should of just been described as being technologically advanced but still limited, like they can reach earth and make the kaiju, but just dont know how to do/comprehend something else. or hell they could of had a religion that makes them worship giant titan monsters they make and its sort of a religious ritual to cleanse planets with the kaiju instead of smarter forces of extermination. basically, there are plenty of ways you can write the precursors to have a method to their madness

[@El_TigreNegro]

Sounds like the Precursors are more lazy than anything lol

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Why even waste time with robots, and not encourage the military industrial complex to just…make more specialized giant bullets? Ww2 taught us this lesson multiple times, there’s a bullet for everything, even smoke or chaff deployment at long rang. Or armour piercing nuke-rounds.

[@Z5-XB]

don’t really think nuke rounds would be a good idea considering they’d also destroy the city the Kaiju is attacking

[@alexshinra6722]

Or ypu know 12km long renforced steel cable stretched out at kiju ankel height?.

[@Phantom-bh5ru]

yea thats why i thought it was stupid that the wall did not work. they can put MUCH larger weapons on a wall than a jaeger. like a fucking jaeger sized anti kaiju cannon or some shit.i mean sure it would have eventually failed as the kaijus would increase in numbers but still... oh what they could have done is make these guns around the breach.. since they already know where the kaijus will spawn they could have built giant defense instillations literally right ontop of the breach to spawn camp anything that comes through it.

[@GeneralSecura]

That's literally what they did. Look up Coyote Tango. They just put the really big guns on a robot.

[@Axterix13]

@@Phantom-bh5ru Arming the walls would be kind of silly, since the Kaiju could circumvent the defenses. You'd need to surround every city from all angles. And then you have the flying ones, so it likely wouldn't work anyway. But, well, orbital bombardment weapons and air dropped weapons circumvent those issues. All the fire power you need, but able to cover a much wider area. That said, the first movie does try to somewhat explain why that type of thing wasn't done... the kaiju blood being toxic, so blowing them up, and consequently scattering their blood and guts everywhere, is not ideal. Hence the punching them. Except, of course, missiles are still being used, so are swords, and so on, and a nice small contained explosive area, perhaps with a very nice high temp fire, would still seem better than a long, drawn out boxing match.

[@operationangel7940]

An idea for your next civilization video: The Observers from the Fringe TV series. It is a civilization of future time-traveling humans who managed to finally make Earth uninhabitable. Thus they proceed to invade the past in order to….terraform past Earth into the destroyed mess they are trying to escape.

[@predatitor4183]

That idea makes the episode of south park about inmigrants of the future that come to the past something ultra inteligent.

[@operationangel7940]

@@predatitor4183 And now I cannot get that out of my head XD. Well played

[@predatitor4183]

@@operationangel7940 Thanks.

[@jessetorres8738]

The best race of "Precursors" come from the Jak & Daxter franchise.

[@Shiver_Bane]

They also built giant robots to fight giant monsters!

[@Chris6570]

Even though it turns out they were talking otters in the end who duped everyone to thinking they're all powerful beings! Well there still are they just thought no one would take them seriously because of the way they looked 😂

[@issholland]

​@@Chris6570 This comment is my life

[@copelandammann4815]

I really apreciate your content. Your dry sense of humor never fails to make me laugh. Keep up the good work.

[@casbot71]

Kaiju first appears, MOABS take them out as soon as they are detected.

[@avarion9538]

if they aren't enough, FOABs are smaller and have multiple times the yield, because they use different explosives. They are like 40 tons of TNT. Also, at around 25.000 km/h, the kinetic energy of an object is as much as it's weight in TNT. Imagibe you just make something, like a big, gliding dart, made out of tungsten or depleted uranium, like an anti armor tank round, but you launch it with an ballistic missile, so it hits with mach 20 instead of mach 2 or mach 3. It would cost, maybe, 100 million per shot, and it would take out Kaiju easily.

[@casbot71]

@avarion9538 Put a Yeager on the modern battlefield against the US Air Force, and it would be toast. The amount of damage, even last generation, bunker buster smart bombs could inflict on it while being far out of visual range would be far more effective and efficient in taking it out than what a Kaiju could do. And as you pointed out, hypersonic weapons would be instakills. They would also be far cheaper than designing and building Yeagers.

[@lavoroxan8114]

​@@casbot71 Quite simply, the precursors made the Kaijus to be weapon proof but not big robot proof.

[@cameronspence4977]

​@@casbot71I thought the whole point was that kaijus wouldn't realistically be a threat to modern civilization? Why would we have to attack yaegers with the military? We are the yaegers.

[@cameronspence4977]

​@@avarion9538I think youre getting FOAB confused with something else. FOAB is the largest nuclear bomb ever built (soviet union) that would be a terrible thing to use in or near a city and would realistically even be overkill against a kaiju. I think youre thinking of BLU-82 or something, those other large bombs. But yes those or your 2nd paragraph would easily destroy a kaiju. It just goes to prove that realistically the modern day humanity wouldnt be threatened at all by pacific rim scenario. Yaegers wouldnt even be necessary

[@wolfbane7497]

HE'S BACK Do The DISHONORED universe

[@eggman3387]

New Media Zealot vid? Splendid

[@enocescalona]

I would love to see you tackle the Cybermen and the main antagonist organization of Callisto Protocol.

[@JobeStroud]

Great video as always!

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

Fun fact: Guilliero Del Toro gave his idea for the Pacific Rim Sequel: the big twist in it would be that the Precursors are actually Futuristic/alternate history Humans. Their alien appearances is just Bio-Mechanical Mech suits. They wanted to harvest their Anscestors/Alternate Universe selves and start over. Why? How did it get this bad to the point this is their best idea? No idea. He didn’t say. So, along with stealing the “ancient aliens are actually just humans” thing from Halo, this reveal seems to open up more questions than it answers. Recommendations for future Episodes: The Magisterium (The Golden Compass Film and Novels) World Catastrophe K1llzone Division (Maze Runner Trilogy and Novels) Hegemony and the Formic Hives (Enders Game Movie and Novels) Ember City Government (City of Embers Film and Novel) United States Government (The Darkest Minds Film and Novels) There’s actually 3 powerful alien species named Precursors now, in Halo, Pacific Rim, and Destiny.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I’m almost certain there’s far more, conceptually at least it’s nowhere near new

[@louisduarte8763]

Wow, that sequel idea sounded terrible. Like, on-purpose terrible so del Toro can get out of that project and seek Oscar gold with that fish-fucking film. And FYI, the Assassin's Creed lore also has Ancient Precursors, who genetically engineered humans for slave labor.

[@cameronspence4977]

Yeah. Because the entertainment industry is so greedy, overly monetized and creatively bankrupt now that theyre even unable to think of different names for ancient races for each other. Its that bad

[@SamA-cy8eu]

The idea of them being inter dimensional aliens are cooler than the dumb future humans idea!

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@louisduarte8763 yep but the human-aliens in assassins creed weren’t called Precursors, rather Issu.

[@TheNotoriousMrDee]

All my favorite channels uploaded today o/ and I can't be the only guy who appreciates the New Zealand accent.

[@dontmatter1368]

The Tuvok inserts were remarkably on point. Well done lad 🖖

[@SA-mo3hq]

I for one endorse an entire civilisation's development being focused on punching things really *really* hard

[@kimina310]

I wont lie that was 10/10 back to back mirroring of independence day and pacific rim.

[@lightlegion_]

Your style is absolutely wonderful!

[@cutthroatnz]

Regardless of its flaws, the 1st movie is a favorite of mine. Giant robots beating monsters to a pulp...... what's not to like

[@cameronspence4977]

Too bad the writing and plot are totally stupidand nonsensical though.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

​@@cameronspence4977 It's great cheese though.

[@cutthroatnz]

@cameronspence4977 who cares. I watch these things to escape reality

[@Axterix13]

@@cameronspence4977 That's okay. It's either, as Honest Trailers put it, "the most awesome dumb movie ever made" or "the dumbest awesome movie ever made", and whichever it is, it is full of win.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

17:18 During my viewing I thought they were so aware of the plan, they specifically sent the cat 5 after the humans had fully commited both Jaegers. We are supposed to believe it was a trap.

[@rfd7245]

Thanks!

[@88varjo]

love this channel

[@TheFantom_X]

So future humans made the dinos and birds? 😂

[@OlympicBingoPlayer]

0:46 Hell yeah, halo mentioned🎉🎉

[@bificommander7472]

If you want another shot at Del Torro, may I recommend Hellboy 2 The Golden Army. A villain too stupid to win, vs nominal heroes too stupid to win. It's like an "unstoppable force vs immovable object" of idiocy.

[@DaniG._.German]

2:31 Fortnite

[@BlackMercy-it1jp]

It's so refreshing to see a fresh upload from my favorite zealot

[@Bokto1]

In my headcanon, precursors could win easily all this time via conventional warfare, but they dont want to lose first opponent civilization crazy enough to accept their Giant-Monster-Battle-Challenge

[@predatitor4183]

Sounds like if they only change the kaijus pruporse to help his civilization all their problems could have endend, if their problem is food, then made kaijus than give more food, if their cant make food in his own dimension and dont want to move to another place, simple terraform the world but for being a farm of kaijus than they can eat, it would be more productive than all the infraestructure for a PVP game of kaijus

[@cujoedaman]

We nuked an entire alien world into oblivion... are we sure these aren't precursors to Psychlos?

[@Goddesskat666]

😂🤣🤣 👍 Nice

[@walterroche8192]

🤔 The Future Human angle could've worked IF they didn't have accurate time controls/time travelled, had laid this out at the end of the first movie, written it well & brought the 'real enemy' in during the second movie. Don't forget this was before the Tom Cruise time travel/reboot movie.

[@EpistemicAnthony]

Been waiting for this one!

[@hildemel]

Many of those Kaiju could have been defeated by having 18-inch WW2 battleship guns firing AP rounds.

[@theveryworstluck1894]

I fail to understand how making large robots to punch the precursors is somehow more viable than just shooting missiles at them.

[@Mr.Branderson]

No way, I was just rewatching the sci-fi civilizations videos TODAY

[@Gigi4u]

3:30 i interpreted it as that they meant that the dinosaurs went extinct from a Kiaju trial run invasion. Basically it was a example on how destructive a successful Kiaju invasion would be by claiming that the kiaju were responsible for a extinction level event in the past. Hower that novelization kind of dose run that interpretation.

[@HenryGreenEngine3]

yeah thats really dumb, i'm glad they didn't do that for the sequel.

[@TheGamingReaper2234]

Can we agree that seeing a big godzilla like creature and building a massive robot to have a 1v1 with it is the most human thing you can do?

[@robingrube3495]

Advanced civilizations too stupid to exist: the covenant (Halo franchise)

[@maveric619]

Defeated by Australians Twice Which means that Emus are a more competent enemy than these so-called advanced space people

[@neonclear8500]

Their security measure would be like locking your front door, but loading your home defense gun with copies of your house key

[@ProducerX21]

Did nobody working on this movie ever say "Why the hell would these aliens go with this plan that takes 200 million years? That is so unbelievebly long. It makes NO sense"

[@saviorbob]

I imagine Zealot spends at least 10 hours scouring his terabytes of star trek clips each video for the right ones but by golly if we don't love him for it

[@asandax6]

Maybe the precursors were just creating Monsters to give humans a reason to rapidly advance their technology and it's just humans in the world that came up with the resource aquisition for the precursors which explains why it's stupid. Another explaination that could surfice is that the precursors bet on whether humans could survive Kaijuu monstors and thus started a game to see if humans survuve or not. These two possibilites would explain the time gaps to let the humans have a breather and improve.

[@InquisitorShepard]

"i dont want to cure cancer, i want to turn people into dinosaurs!" Aliens trope strikes again.

[@WarriorofCathar]

Pacific Rim antagonists, If brute force isn't working, you're not using enough of it.

[@Towik]

Hehe I really love how you crap on the stupidity and shallow movies 👍, it is good to see that people still question things, instead of just consuming it and accepting. If I may ask, play Muv-Luv Alternative and tell me your honest opinion about it, in a video form 🤗

[@steffanshurkin1123]

Carbon-based life: breathing in oxygen and expelling CO2 (some of us anyways) Silicon-based life: breathing in oxygen and expelling Silicone dioxide (sand) The Precursors were planning to fight Anakin Skywalker, and had an effective plan, but they were fooled our movies.

[@-DA-ONE-]

8:44 we don't talk about pacific rim 2

[@CT5555_]

How did I never put that together, that they created the dinosaurs. So they created life that would go on to create us, in order to try to destroy us?

[@carlsiouxfalls]

If 130 million years did pass and they had never had anything come back through a portal, I can see a lack of readiness for that situation. Maybe they neglected the maintenance of that system as it had never been used. Maybe the alarm did go off but no one knew what it meant anymore.

[@Emanon...]

Next: The imperium from "Dune". A feudal dictatorship run by families who apparently have no other relatives, no tech development for 10k years and all addicted to the equivalent of petrol.

[@cozz117]

It took me ages to figure out why they took so long to use the swords. Because the Kaiju blood is toxic and don't want to make a mess inside the miracle mile. It's also why striker used them wayyy relatively earlier in his fights because his is the only ones that cauterize the wounds. Idk about crimson typhoon but I imagine his also cauterize and so do the plasma casters (although they usually got destroyed whenever they were about to use them)

[@chrismedina54]

I like to think that aliens don't invade us because we are a horde of war monkeys.

[@bondsythings3322]

How am I just now subscribing. I've seen the entire too dumb series

[@adriankay8410]

I don't know what's more impressive. His ability to always have a Voyager quote on hand, or that said quote is always made by Tuvok

[@jasonsanders8797]

"...Pacific Rim job." 😂

[@griffinharp1106]

It’s always a nice surprise to see one of your videos

[@flatheadgg2443]

Them being super evolved humans from the future is actually a pretty cool idea.

[@themadwarden6603]

Ok, but to be fair "a match for local wildlife" in Australia is a pretty impressive development

[@muntu1221]

To be fair to the Precursors, they _were_ trying to make it possible for an actual invasion. The Breach could only stay open for a few seconds if they sent something small, so the Kaiju needed to train the portal to stay open long enough for a lot of mass to come through. That's why multiple events occur more often as time goes on, and each kaiju was more massive than the last. Also, the humans did figure out the kaiju were adapting to them. But the kaiju seemed to only adapt natural-looking adaptations to big robots. It's mentioned at the start of the movie. The EMP was solid proof they were weaponized.