World of Warships: Hakuryuu - Feedback About the Carrier Test

[@zam023]

The devs probably have no clue that dive bombers have air brakes to slow them down so much they are floaty. Imagine getting sunk by a CV secondaries in a cruiser ^_^;;;

[@Aerroon]

Lmao, yeah, especially Hakuryuu has pretty bad firing angles on the secondaries.

[@pikkozoikum8523]

same like getting sunk by a Gun DD in a cruiser, I would guess

[@bLock_c1pher_Gaming]

Hello Aerron!, So glad your showing more on this Metta and Dynamic changes going on in CV/PT server. Take care and tyvm. GG!!!

[@Aerroon]

Hey, thanks

[@tomduke1297]

good feedback Aerroon! i concur with your findings.

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

2:07 This is only an issue for the people who look to high kill numbers from AA for satisfaction, but they are missing the big picture. To be blunt, if you kill three planes out of three, you have prevented the strike; something you generally can't do against a full squadron on the live server because it keeps on filling up from the top. This is more critical than shooting down large numbers, which is what the people with an irrational hatred of carriers want to do. (And if your aircraft shoot down seven, well, that's seven plane kills; isn't that what you want?) Otherwise a good summary, with which I largely agree. 15:10 This is how Ise is made.

[@Aerroon]

Yeah, they will be missing the big picture, but our community isn't always rational. They care about what the game feels about more than reasonable solutions.

[@afjsns]

From my matches on the TST server, this rework is basically a return to RTS. If your AA is weak, you will at most, shoot down 1 plane. If your AA is strong, you could wipe out the attack wing. If they want this rework to work, they should reintroduce strong fighter play from CVs, otherwise surface ships could potentially not shoot down enough planes for it to matter to the CV. In addition to this, AA no longer shoots at planes as they climb out after the drop. IDK if this is a bug, or intended, regardless, i ran Conceal mod over Flight deck mod and i never felt i ran out of planes *ever*. (FURTHER confirmed by Hidden Menace) Considering current CV balance, the rework as it is, strengthens CVs like Nakhimov, Essex, Malta, FDR as those attack wings either have extremely tanky planes or really large squads, so losing one or two planes won't affect the efficacy of the final drop. In addition, Essex's fighters will be even more potent considering planes at high altitude are blind. With the recent changes, base CV fighters are utterly useless as they are a straight downgrade from Essex CAP fighters. The prep time reduction still doesn't save dive bombers as they require precise timing. In addition to this, they also act as level bombers at the very end of their runs. You can still control your plane's speeds, it's just perma locked to max speed but you can slow down. (Confirmed by the flaps and a visible slow down), they just need to add a UI indicator of such. DFAA is purely a blinding tool now, so you can't expect to shoot down more planes. Whether this is a good thing or not is something i'm not sure of, since on the one hand a lot of ships have DFAA now (including BBs) which is a significant change from the RTS era, but on the other, people will still complain that they are not shooting down planes.

[@Omaba_Baba]

Yeah, the neeed to re-add the squadron's air brakes. Maybe not boost/overdrive, but the ability to slow down should be available. But other than that, and maybe some bombers having 4 per flight, I like these changes.

[@Aerroon]

I'm sure some CVs will have some strike groups be 4 planes.

[@vecioalpin8998]

the whole rework need a lot more testing possibly in environment 12 vs 12 not 3 vs 3

[@vecioalpin8998]

Dear Aerroon although I respect you as a CC I DO not share your enthusiasm for this revork. What worries me most is that all CC playing HAKURYU and NONe seems to care about other TIERS The fact that the new AA is so powerful is something that should be tested also at tier VIII / VI . Imagine being bottom tier now for a CV???? in current sistem you can start the game spotting for your team and gaining XP. In the new system spotting is misaerable therefore bottom tier CV will BE (not feel ) useless.

[@janseger1693]

Aerroon. brings the world of warships reviews re always correct and straight to the point.thanx Buddy. always happy to see your videos.

[@Aerroon]

I'm glad for the kind words. Thank you!

[@arb261268]

With regards to anti air, I would rather shoot down 1 to 3 planes and not get struck or reduced strike than shooting down 5 planes and still having a full strike against me.

[@Scootershot409]

Your idea of a spoting plane would be nice you could have a tactical squad that drops some sonobuoys that spots ships within x range but have it work like a submarine hydro where it updates the map but only spots within close range. Ill have to try the test server at some point. I always felt the rts cv was the best (to play) but also understand why the re rework is needed

[@Aerroon]

Yeah, that would work too. I just don't want the old CV spotting back, but I do think CVs kind of need some help with spotting around their own ship.

[@DailyCatLoafs]

Imagine using the manual secondaries on the Sekiryu

[@pikkozoikum8523]

I had once the suggestion in forum ,that spotting and attacking should be seperated. That a CV can launch a spotter plane to spot. Instead of attacking, he gets a binocular view to tag enemies, which take more dmg for a while. The spotter plane gets counter by DDs and CLs, since it is only one plane. Attack planes wouldnt be able to spot at all

[@Gherardo85]

Imagine if there was a simpler solution to all these issues called minimap spotting only

[@Aerroon]

It might be an easier change, but I don't think it would solve the problem of people complaining about the damage CVs do.

[@Gherardo85]

@@Aerroon WG put themselves in a box: the core concept of CV is boring, no one would play CV if they were not OP (that’s why AA is useless and there are no real counters to that class). So if they nerf them, ppl will not play the class and that is seen as a failure: WG stated that they balanced CV based on popularity: if popularity drops, they buff the class making it even more boring to play and horrendous to play against. Proof of this failure? It’s 5 goddam years from the OG rework and they still can’t figure out how to balance this class.

[@marcom2248]

Do the fighter planes still spot anything?

[@Aerroon]

They can spot things 2 km away from them, which is basically straight underneath the planes.

[@marcom2248]

@@Aerroon Thank you very much 👍 That means, they can drop the fighter plane above my sub or dd and keep me spotted... Fine. No.

[@suvetum6763]

CVs got their damage mainly from dive bomber (skip bombers) and torp planes. To see dive bombers nerfed to oblivion is actually not bad because they hit bbs for like 20k constantly and are very hard to dodge (and kill too) unlike torp planes where there is more leeway (for the first strike mainly). Cv spotting is also a huge problem and some cvs dont care about teamplay and only want to farm so seeing their dmg potential nerfed will make them think more. But people are so reliant on cv spotting bc dd players also dont care much about teamplay so once it goes live there will probably be a lot of backlash bc the game got harder. But after cv nerfes i hope superships get their nerfes as well because they are just horrible to deal against.

[@anthonyware4033]

Could you play as the Graf zeplin and see how the secondary work in the test server?

[@Aerroon]

Sorry, the only CVs available are the Midway, Audacious and Hakuryuu.

[@skribeworks]

@@Aerroon hopefully they'll include some lower tier carriers in another test. I suspect you're right in that the lower tiers are really going to struggle.

[@AH-pq7yw]

Can you make fdr video?

[@Aerroon]

On the test server? They don't have that available.

[@allegrofantasy]

There is something strange about DFAA flak bursts. They seem to cause no damage. For example, between 02:01 and 02:11 you plough through massive flak bursts but seem to take only continuous damage losing about 1,900 HP. This is not normal especially if the DFAA is extended to 7km in the test. Then 03:25-03:35 in a non-DFAA attack, you also lose about 1,900 HP. In 10 test games, I have never taken big flak damage. As you say, dive bombers are so ineffective, it's better to dust off the rocket planes and use them. The gameplay seems slow and mechanical. No speed control and impossible to swing round and attack targets of opportunity or short-range targets.

[@Aerroon]

That's because there are some kind of immunity phases or something when you do the multi-step process.

[@swanbaa]

Hmm, sounds like playing BBs in this new rework is going to be hell :D

[@Aerroon]

Why? It's not like CVs are that much stronger in the test. You can still dodge.

[@swanbaa]

@@Aerroon Sorry maybe I don't understand the full picture, but isn't it easier now to repeatedly drop on one target? Cruisers and destroyers can avoid it well, but battleships might find it difficult to dodge after the first attack. Each drop is weaker and easier to shoot down, but every squadron will use all available strikes. Btw, love your videos ty for replying :)

[@Hanimichal]

CV is good like it is now just adding a buff for easiest control airplanes also some buff in economic part, losing power in attacking same ship or increasing a power to AA wave to surface ship, and need a super nerf in spots so will be perfect This new way to play is so complicated will be so bad for longe time

[@Aerroon]

I don't think it's that complicated. It sounds more complicated than it actually is.

[@BattIeFrog]

Rework CVs are both annoying to play against and boring to play, preferably we'd go back to RTS CVs and AA that actually works like it did back in the day.

[@Hanimichal]

Rts CV was a hell for the game, also was very over powered in skilled hands players, and so hard to play for regular player

[@killergames391]

Stop lying to yourself and just admit the fact you only liked RTS carriers because they were rare. A wave of strike planes could sink multiple ships, and the cv spotting we deal with now was even worse as air detection was much greater for all ships (brought to near current state after a few weeks of the current CV state) and the CV had multiple squadrons (up to 6 or 7) that would sit just outside your aa range the entire game. It was not a better state beyond AA buff being engrained into the meta picks for captain skills and the skill floor was so much higher for a CV.

[@Brazio20]

​​​@@killergames391if you are oh so worried about permanent spotting then simply adding planes duration to other planes like they did with post-rework fighter will fix most of the issue. RTS CV is just better

[@AGENT47ist]

@@killergames391 A crybaby that probably did not know how to stay near his team so their combined AA would not let an entire strike to take place. Probably you are one of those whinny babies that want to play a game without using their brain. That's why RTS CV was a matter of player

[@banhbaothit1629]

theres no way you want a CONCEALMENT buff for CVs ☠☠☠☠☠☠

[@Aerroon]

Why not?

[@anthonyware4033]

I like the changes, CVs are way to powerful as they are now. There is nothing worse than a CV wrecking you while you are playing.

[@Whaley96]

Oh well they can keep the class in the game im sure the cv players will enjoy playing against bots because last i checked there were around 8k players on a Friday night which is pathetic.

[@Aerroon]

How would you change it instead?

[@Whaley96]

@@Aerroon remove all non surface ships like the community has been asking for years. They can't balance them in a way that makes them both fun to play and play against. Or just revert the AA changes so you can manually select target and just remove subs. If there was more counter play I wouldn't mind but relying on teammates in this game is horrendous. I played last night where I was getting farmed by a aki and my yamagiri just sailed around behind my bb torping his smoke. These things where you have to rely on your teammates to not be idiots are not working at all.

[@Whaley96]

@@Aerroon they could also just make it to where your AA multiplies the longer they are in your radius or if they keep striking you repeatedly and also remove the unlimited hangar capacity but keep the manual secondary control like they have on pts so they are not useless after they run out of planes. And still remove subs. Subs are so bad I mean they shouldn't be able to drive around in the enemy spawn with impunity. That's dumb and it made me quit the last time I just came back after a 2 year break and subs still have me heated.

[@shatteredstar2149]

Getting rid of subs and CV doesn't bring back up player numbers

[@Whaley96]

@@shatteredstar2149 so making the game less frustrating to play wouldn't dissuade people from quiting? I mean when I quit the first time it was just because of subs because of how unfun it was to play against them. Frustrating gameplay mechanics caused me to quit so I couldn't imagine I was the only one.

[@octopus1066]

Aerron:"defending carriers and giving some good feedback" Majority of the entire community: "We want CVs gone to enjoy surface ships since they ruled for an entire decade almost." Me: "I want manual fire sec on my german ships heh" but yea no fuck CVS, about time they get knocked down a huge lot cause they literally fucking rules for so many years, defending them at this point is just wrong.

[@Aerroon]

Well, if this is how the community wants to go, then just give it some time and the same sentiment will be held against destroyers too because of their stealth.

[@ibnu9969]

​@@Aerroon that's unfair comparison. DDs have to risk their ship getting blasted in the first minute of the battle. How often do you see a CV getting devstruck in the first minute compared to a DD?

[@Aerroon]

@@ibnu9969 How is that an unfair comparison? It's not like the destroyer has to yolo towards the enemy. Just play 20 km Shimakaze torps and sit in the backline. The question is about average effectiveness to a battle, and right now that's already about even between CVs and DDs.

[@zam023]

@@ibnu9969 Did the DD spawn in front of the enemy?

[@ibnu9969]

@@Aerroon someone gotta spot, and in the process the planes can just hover on top of the DD for 5 minutes, just spotting without attacking. That's why the rework is pretty much welcome at least for DD players, from what I've heard BBs are the ones who are going to suffer the most

[@FulNitoPR]

👎 you ask to much dude sorry be side Cv don't below on this game

[@b-17gflyingfortress6]

I had a stroke reading this

[@detriotswat]

LMFAO, me too​@@b-17gflyingfortress6

[@FulNitoPR]

@@b-17gflyingfortress6do you want me call you 911 for Emergency Services 😢

[@Aerroon]

CVs have been in the game since the start though?

[@FulNitoPR]

@@Aerroon yea and you right but ask this Q why most all the base of players play this game Hate CV platform and also why those players on this meta don’t play anymore this game please you can answer that Q if you like