Affordable Premium Leverless Controllers | Haute42 M16 & S16 Review

[@ChronoAscension]

Update: I noticed today that the slanted buttons on the M-Series aren’t to be more ergonomic, it’s because the switches aren’t pressed in all the way. They still function but you want to make sure to press them in (do be careful) and they should have a click sound and sit flat afterwards. Additional Notice: There are no longer individual Firmware versions for the controllers and they all use the same Haute42 specific GP2040-CE build. You can find the updated firmware at the provided link. If you do not see the Haute42 build, make sure to scroll down to "Assets" of the most up-to-date version and click "Show all assets" at the bottom of the list. github.com/OpenStickCommunity/GP2040-CE/releases

[@99sadness]

Just ordered an s16... this is one of only 2 videos showcasing it thank you so much

[@bigoleon]

same bro. it didnt help that the Amazon name was Borcham, but i have seen its name as Akekon and Haute. Mine comes tomorrow!

[@brandon_yl_is_busted_af9316]

You're goated for showing size comparisons to the T16 THANK YOUUUU

[@Haute42Gaming]

❤What a great review you did！

[@Haute42Gaming]

It need a dongle plug to the extension port@@heyaitsisaiah9839

[@etienneduverney]

With Tekken 8 out, I am considering buying a hitbox and yours seem to be the best quality/price ratio around ! I'll probably go for one

[@sovady]

thanks for the video! I have purchased the M16 and your video really really helped.

[@bigoleon]

Thanks for going over the software and pins man. You are appreciated.

[@arpeykeys]

Oh fuck yea dude, love the inclusion of the sound test lol! Recently been looking at hitboxes because I just got into Tekken 8 and was looking to get this after borrowing my friend's sallybox for a while. Thanks for the review!

[@ShadowCero]

I would say the biggest thing as an M user (got it for granblue and sf6) is that you can't really comfortably use the jump button with your right thumb as it is slightly moved to the left. For any right thumb jumpers keep that in mind.

[@thepoweroftheC]

Is it possible to switch the jump button to a different button?

[@ekimXD]

To be fair, I never found that to be an issue for me or even realized that so YMMV.

[@KetsubanSolo]

​@@thepoweroftheCyup! Haute42 uses GP2040-CE firmware, so just go into the web configuration tool and assign any of the other pins to "Up" and you're good to go!

[@shinmai]

leverless controller: ***has hotswappable switches*** review: guys, just FYI the switches can sometimes come off, but I didn't notice any issues with that 😅

[@RobRamss]

I really don't need another controllers but is that gonna stop me?

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

Thanks for this review, it made me buy the S16 model, it seems perfect for me.

[@THEBARRXT]

Great video - Went for the S16 and set up on PC was seamless although I had to un-install and re-install steam to get it working! Look forward to trying it out on PS5 in the future ...

[@orrin-manning]

Well they’re actually in stock, which is a surprise from a leverless manufacturer, but still not licensed by Sony for PS5 compatibility

[@KetsubanSolo]

Oh yeah this'll never get licensed. However, with PS4 passthrough, you can play most PS5 fighting games (Exceptions being Them's Fighting Herds, Breakers Collection, and the PS5 release of Dragonball FighterZ, and a few other lesser-known titles, but it'll work fine on SF6 and Tekken)

[@Jumentim10]

The truth is that you can use it on PS5, just as long as you have the PS4 version of the game installed. In other words, no MK1 unfortunately

[@POWPLANET]

I just really hope they a larger size version of the M16, I really liked the design but the size is too small for my laps

[@raydeh96]

I think the M16 with the size of the T16 would've been perfect

[@NorthDelhiFighter]

The only reason people are not buying m16, I would gladly pay extra bucks for the size of T16, but for some unknown reason they don't wanna hear to the feedback

[@DavidLee-cw6ci]

6:49 why don't you label what's what?

[@Hontonoki]

thank you so much for these comprehensive reviews, really helped me decide on my purchase. I was specifically worried about the tourney-legality of the m16 as i'm awaiting its arrival. do you reckon i'll need to change the web config so that the W in the wasd layout is disabled as "up" before i go to a local and will have to change it back each time before playing a sidescroller or a beat-em-up, for instance? again, appreciate your content!

[@ChronoAscension]

Of course, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos. Legality of multiple inputs definitely will depend on your local specifically since everyone will have different rules, so I would definitely ask them what their take on it is. My local didn’t even ask if I had the extra button unbounded but I did so anyways.

[@deadnameisdead]

Thanks for the awesome video, I know what I will buy with my next paycheck :3

[@stephansotomayor9696]

This was a great review thanks

[@nervdude0310]

Awesome video! Ordering the M16. Would love a tutorial video for button layout for SF6. TY!

[@ChronoAscension]

For SF6 I use the bottom left button for drive impact, and then I have parry on the bottom right one. This makes it easier for me to react to DI since it’s a quick one button reaction with my thumb and same goes for parry and drive rush. Having the extra button is quicker than shifting my hand and pressing two buttons so you could probably try out something similar. Another viable option would probably be still having the bottom right one be parry, but instead having the top right one be your drive impact button. Make sure for training mode in SF6 that you go to the shortcuts settings and unbind L3 and R3 from training dummy recordings because otherwise it’ll conflict with your inputs for training mode.

[@9cClimber]

Love the sound test bro

[@JayOrRed]

thanks for the video! just bought the m16 based off of your previous review and was wondering how to update the firmware. Super excited to learn leverless, I wasn't too sure before, but the low price and availability made me finally take the jump.

[@ChronoAscension]

At 7:50 in the video I show the process of updating the firmware and at 8:30 I show how to set up some additional settings in the web configurator. But simply, go to their website and go to the support tab at the top right to download their firmware (or go to their Discord server the link for which is in the description, and there you can find controller specific firmware options with added things like more buttons in the input viewer). Then once you've acquired the Flash Nuke file and the desired firmware file, hold the gold button on the bottom of the controller when plugging it in, you'll see a pop-up from your file explorer, than drag the Flash Nuke file in, then it'll process and have the pop-up come back up, then you drag in the firmware file and it will be updated.

[@Beamken]

do you have to update and configure it before trying it out?

[@KetsubanSolo]

​@Beamken you should be fine to just plug and play, although you may not have PS4/5 passthrough without updating.

[@caheme1984]

Just ordered my t16 off Amazon will be here 26th

[@ExtremeEastFGC]

I saw this hitbox 12 days ago, it's still very expensive for Brazilians, but it's my new dream.

[@genevad4754]

sweet i havent seen a lot of videos on the m and s series

[@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS]

i recommend making the s16 into a laptop with the steam deck for playing in bed. use a strong cooler type foam to create the stand for it. its super awesome.

[@Joe_Silly]

only thing stopping me from getting one of these is the lack on a noir layout option. fell in love with noir when i got my qanba pearl and can't go back

[@volkanblabla4941]

Thanks, Nice Video!!!👍

[@gestanosamuel466]

Hi, great vid that you showed the web configuration, i wondered can i remap the RS button to left directional input? So i have two left directional input in the same time

[@KetsubanSolo]

Yup! Dunno if that'd get you disqualified from a tournament but if you're just playing to have fun, why not?

[@Neldeon]

Are the buttons on the S series 24mm buttons? How comfortable are the bigger buttons on the M and T series in comparison?

[@ekimXD]

Great video! I just bought the M16 last night because I found the T16 to hurt my left palm after a while because of how I rest it while playing. Hoping my M16 will alleviate that. Can't wait to try it!

[@ThisOrThat13]

Why do you think that happened? Visually it seems you have more space to rest your wrist with the T16. Though how the heck are you supposed to place your wrist with 16 buttons??

[@ekimXD]

@@ThisOrThat13 Ah it's more the opposite, with the m16 my wrist doesn't have a space to rest and simply hovers which is more comfortable for me when playing long term. With the T16 it's always resting on the edge of the acrylic which itself can be a little fatiguing for me.

[@kissrito]

@@ekimXD After you used the M16, how was your left hand? Please update.

[@ekimXD]

@@kissritothey’re fine. Nothing to report on. I also continue to use my t16 every now and then as well without much issue. Though my t16 is now running into some issues with my usb port being loose. Gonna have to try to repair it

[@kissrito]

@@ekimXD Which do you think is better m16 or t16 for playing on PC?

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

I got the s16 but returned it because it was just too small, does the metal one feel significantly more spaced and comfortable or is it pretty much the same kinda cramped feel?

[@ChronoAscension]

The metal one has similar button spacing to the T series controllers, but it doesn’t have the same amount of space for resting your hands. I’d say maybe give it a try or just go for the T series controllers since there’s a lot more space on them.

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

@@ChronoAscensioni dont need wrist space its just on the M the buttons look slightly more spaced, ill receive it tomorrow and let the people know 😂

[@ypcyc4760]

can't find a 50$ s16, cheapeast I can find is 70USD (includes shipping). bought one last week, hope it comes here without issues

[@th3trunkmonkey129]

So for PS5, am I going to be forced to buy the magicboots etc.? I thought the controller's firmware would just simply work once PS Passthrough is enabled.

[@ChronoAscension]

The firmware is what allows the adapter to work. Without an adaptor it will disconnect every 8 minutes.

[@Phasmastic]

Does S16 have 24mm buttons and 30mm one?

[@ChronoAscension]

According to their Discord information, the small buttons are 23.3mm and the one big one is 26.6mm.

[@KimmyR3]

what do I need to connect this to a PS5?

[@raknikmik]

Would you recommend the T or M series for someone new to leverless controllers?

[@ChronoAscension]

Definitely would say both options are good, just depends on the person. T series is fairly big so you’ll have a lot of space to work with, and you can play it on a table or in your lap comfortably. The M series is small and easy to bring to places but still has a nice weight to it. Button spacing is pretty similar on both of them. Maybe go with the T series if you’re unsure because it’s more likely to be comfortable if you end up playing on your lap, you can with the M series, but it may not be comfortable for everyone. You can also customize it with art to make it more personal as well later down the line too so it has that extra option. It’s up to what material and size you like to be honest.

[@I3asyl]

@@ChronoAscension If I mainly play on the desk, like a keyboard, and prefer the most premium feel should i just go for the m13? Also how is the quality on t13 does it feel noticeably cheaper resting the palms on it and such. Also the t13 edges kind of look sharp is that true?

[@ChronoAscension]

Sorry for the late response didn’t see it since it’s under another comment. If you mainly play on your desk and want a premium feel then I’d say go with the M-Series controller. The plastic feel of the T-Series doesn’t feel cheap so it won’t be a problem, and the edges aren’t sharp either.

[@gabrielst527]

The only negative is the buttons, I wish they used some super speed silver buttons.

[@penguinmicky]

Hi, great review, i'm considering buying the S16 version and i have a question on the button placement. Basically i saw a guy on youtube doing the super input on SF6 by sliding the fingers onto the directional buttons (here's the video: /watch?v=6bmb763srJQ) and it requires to beeing able to press 2 buttons with a single finger inbetween them. My question is are you able to do that with the S16 or the buttons are too much far apart for it to work?

[@DragonflySwamp]

Great video and very helpful for informing my purchase decision. One question: you said the T16 has alternate keycaps that filter some of the LED light, which I would be interested in. Is there any way I can buy those from Haute42's store or is there a secondary vendor? There's a flash sale on for the next few days and I'd like to buy them at a discount if I can.

[@ChronoAscension]

They do not offer an option to buy the key caps individually. People have resorted to using Sino Arcade key caps from AliExpress and they seem to fit fine and look nice so I would try those out.

[@DragonflySwamp]

@@ChronoAscension I found Sino Arcade's website and they offer GamerFinger caps in a few different quantities. Are those the ones you mean?

[@ChronoAscension]

You want to look for the thinner ones that say they are for Kailh switches. The GamerFinger ones are different and are for GamerFinger buttons.

[@DragonflySwamp]

@@ChronoAscension Excellent. Thanks so much.

[@I3asyl]

If you could only get one of the haute42 products which would you pick and y

[@ChronoAscension]

For the majority of my time playing fighting games, I played with an arcade stick which I used on my lap, so the T16 ends up being the most comfortable for me. It has a lot of space to play with on your lap and there’s a lot of room for your hands, so in terms of comfort the T16 definitely suits me the best.

[@I3asyl]

@@ChronoAscension and you said the t16 is just as comfy as g series or m series on desk right? I only play on desk the only thing im wondering is how itll feel having my palms on the desk and reaching for the buttons on the smaller sticks vs having it directly on the stick itself on the tseries

[@ChronoAscension]

@@I3asyl I wouldn't say it's as good for desk play since it is larger. You can play with it on your table, but I would say go for the M16. It's really durable and is much better to play on your table since it's small but not too small.

[@I3asyl]

@@ChronoAscension thank you so much. I was thinking the same thing, love the reviews and ur help :))

[@Realyst]

I tried the S16 today. It was ok. Had two issues with it.. 1. the RB/R1 button was not working and 2. When sliding my button off of the movement buttons to backdash cancel, my finger would get caught on the edge of the sharp acrylic surrounding the button. It wasn't sharp enough to cut me or anything, but just enough to catch my finger. So I learned that I need something with raised buttons that does not sit flush to the case. At least if it's acrylic. Curious if the metal version is any better. But I went and ordered the G16. That one has raised buttons.

[@ianbrown542]

this is gonna be a wierd, but we can use those controllers on smash ultimate? and make it work as a normal controller with the M16?

[@ChronoAscension]

These controllers work natively on the Switch, just hold A as you plug it in. As for tilt attacks, I’m not sure if there’s a way to set up a modifier button that can be held down to make the directionals act as tilts, so you’d have to maybe ask around in the Discord.

[@nicolasbornand2455]

did you have any problem with usb c port? mine in Hautepad P12 broke after 1 month

[@StreyX]

I am somewhat confused by the explanation of the button configuration. To clarify: are we able to say map the LB to M2 and LT to RS(which are DR and parry in SF6)?

[@ChronoAscension]

Yes you can, however I don’t see why you would change those in the pin mappings as you can keep them as they are, but bind them in game. Just make sure to go to shortcuts in training and disable the LS and RS shortcuts since they’ll end up triggering the button short cuts instead of DI and Parry.

[@D2Synua]

@@ChronoAscension The reason you would want to configure them to other buttons is that not every game allows you to map actions to LS/RS/etc.

[@_riderheal2582]

Hello, I am wondering to get a T16 or M16 Which one would you prefer😊 coz I keep struggling which one should I buy 😢

[@ChronoAscension]

If you want something with more space, then I would say the T16. You can also add art to it by unscrewing it and putting art between the layers. The M16 is nice and sturdy, and since it’s made with aluminum it has a nice weight to it and feels really premium. It is smaller though, so playing with it on a table is the best option but you can use it on your lap as well. The safer option I would say is the T16 since you can play with it on your lap and on a table so it’s the best option for comfort. Button spacing on them is also the same, so in the end it comes down to what material you like, how you want to customize it, and what size you like best.

[@CorusXL]

Totally the T16! Just got one myself!

[@_riderheal2582]

@@CorusXL

[@_riderheal2582]

@@ChronoAscension thanks for the advice

[@Realyst]

Wait..., so to get PS5 compatibility, I need to plug in a PS4 licensed controller? Is that what you said? I have the same Hori Fight Commander or whatever it's called lying around here somewhere. If this is correct, I will get this asap.

[@ChronoAscension]

Yeah that controller should work. Make sure you go to the web configurator mode and change your input setting to PS4 so that you can change it from “Controller” mode to “Arcade Stick” mode and it’ll work for PS5 fighting games (the compatibility is intended for fighting games and not all PS5 games)

[@Realyst]

@@ChronoAscension Thanks so much. Ordering this today. I only plan on using this for fighting games so I don't need it to work for other games.

[@iiahahybilaash9434]

How small is the m16 compared to the T16 version? And which would you suggest for on lap play for local tournaments while also being able to play on desk.

[@ChronoAscension]

At 6:48 there is a size comparison where you can see the M16 is fairly smaller than the T16. Your best bet for lap play would be the T16 and I’ve taken it to locals and had no problems with lap play since it’s pretty big and doesn’t slip. The T16 can be played on a desk but it may be a bit uncomfortable. The M16 works for both, with desk play being very comfortable, but lap play may have mixed results between each person since it is smaller.

[@iocyber]

Bro can you make a video about the configurations cuz like I would get this but I’m so damn lost on the web config, like do I need to change the controls before I even play games or how do I assume the keys idk I’ve never used a hit box so I’m confused how all the keys work and these settings lmao but good video bro this made me realize this is way more complicated than I thought

[@ChronoAscension]

The web configurator section of the video goes over the main things and you just select the drag down and select which input you want for a pin (make sure you update like I show in the video so you can easily follow along). The pin number guide can be found floating around in their discord so you can probably just ask so that you’re not lost. If you don’t plan on entering tournaments then just go ahead and start playing with it right away without any modifications. If you do want to play in tournaments, you’ll just follow along as I do to disable inputs that are the same, like having two up buttons and disabling the extra one.

[@iocyber]

@@ChronoAscension ahhh I see kinda but yeah I really wanna try it I’m just nervous I won’t understand how to set it up but I think it makes more sense now

[@peliworxllc1255]

IS there one converter that would work with both consoles, or do i need different converters per console?

[@ChronoAscension]

I’m honestly not sure if there is an option out there that supports both consoles. You may have to buy the adapters separately.

[@alb1reo]

Which of the 4 Haute42 leverless controllers would you recommend the most? I already have a leverless but it doesn't have any extra buttons, and the buttons are a bit too big/ far away from each other. I like being able to rest my hand on the controller, but I'm kinda scared of how big the buttons on the bigger controllers look

[@ChronoAscension]

I think if you want to be able to rest your hands, the T13/T16 will probably be best since it's the biggest of their options. I also thought the bigger buttons would have a weird adjustment period coming from 24mm Sanwa buttons, but it felt pretty natural as soon as I started playing on the larger buttons, and they didn't throw me off or anything. I'm not sure how big the buttons are in the controller that you already have, but if you want smaller buttons, the S16 has smaller buttons than the T and M series controllers, and I've seen people put them onto cutting boards to have extra space for their hands and wrists.

[@synqFPS]

@@ChronoAscensionI have average size hands maybe a tad bit smaller, should I wait for a special 24mm release or do i commit to 30mm. This would be my first fight stick coming from pad, thanks in advance

[@ChronoAscension]

@@synqFPS The larger buttons shouldn't be too much of a problem, and I'm not sure if they plan on making a smaller button variant of the M-Series. If you think you'll prefer smaller buttons though, then maybe go with the S16.

[@synqFPS]

@@ChronoAscension I will definitely aim for on-lap play and I meant my first hitbox not stick in the above comment* looking at the T13 right now as I play tekken and im worried I'll accidentally hit the button next to jump on the T16. I guess the button size will be fine as a first board, looks like great value. Thanks

[@SomeMonsterz]

Can you disable buttons so they send no inputs? *edit* Nevermind, I saw in the video you can

[@thehollowhunter]

Thanks again for these videos. Is there a tournament mode so you don't pause the game by mistake? Also does anyone know if tekken has any specific socd rules atm?

[@ChronoAscension]

I tried messing around with the settings but couldn't find a proper method of locking out the menu buttons. I disabled Turbo in the add-ons then enabled the Focus Mode add-on which allows you to assign a button to lock out a list of pins (I used the turbo button which is pin 14 for this) so I disabled S1, S2, A1, A2, but it only seems to work with the button held down and not as a proper toggle, so it doesn't seem to be a viable solution. Maybe ask in the discord if there's any way to do so.

[@thehollowhunter]

@@ChronoAscension thanks, I'll see what I can find.

[@FenixPajarito]

6:49 the S16 and T16 have the same button size?

[@ChronoAscension]

No the buttons on the T16 and M16 are the same size, but the S16 has smaller buttons than both of them. I think only the jump button on the S16 is the same size as the others, but the other buttons are all smaller.

[@FenixPajarito]

And which one feels better for you when playing between the T16 and the S16? Does the T16 having bigger buttons make a difference or the smaller buttons on the S16 feel better? 🤔

[@ChronoAscension]

@@FenixPajarito It's all up to preference, I like to have bigger buttons personally, and I like having the larger sized controller overall. The S16 I like to bring around to places, but I prefer the T16's size for at home as my primary controller.

[@Just_Manny305]

Can the extra button on top of the directional inputs be used as the “jump” / up button? I’m transitioning from keyboard and i use WASD for movement, i can’t picture myself using the thumb button for jump 😢

[@ChronoAscension]

Yeah, the point of it is so you have the extra option to use the other layout if you want, so the WASD layout is definitely an option.

[@sergiott9782]

Hey Man, loved the video. Can you show us how to use a ps4 licenced controller to use this leverless on a ps5?

[@ChronoAscension]

You just set it up the same way as if you were using an adapter. Make sure that PS Passthrough is enabled and that you change the input mode for PS4 to arcade stick, then you can use it for PS4 games, but only fighting games for the PS5. This is detailed in the web configurator section if you need a visual.

[@sergiott9782]

@@ChronoAscension and then y Connect the controller where I would connect the brook wingman?

[@ChronoAscension]

@@sergiott9782 Doing it in the way I described makes it so that there is no lag as it is only used for authentication.

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

can you make a guide on led customisation by any chance

[@ChronoAscension]

I honestly haven’t done a whole lot of testing on the LEDs. My latest video with the Slab Mini I do briefly go over some customization in the web configurator section for brightness and custom color gradient settings and the colors for when the buttons are pressed.

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

nice thanks @@ChronoAscension

[@Pichoniix]

Any idea what switches are compatible with this Haute42 PCB? Like how about Cherry MX low Profile switches? Outemu etc etc 🤔

[@ChronoAscension]

Depends on which controller you get from them, these ones use Kaila Choc V2 switches so you want to get something similar.

[@Doll4rOg]

I'm planning to buy it for PC but i have a question do i need to download software in this case or just plug and play ?

[@ChronoAscension]

For PC you can just go ahead and start playing with it right away. Make sure the input viewer says Xinput so that you are in PC mode. If it doesn’t say that then hold down the B button when you plug it in.

[@matthewarcilla4036]

SDo I need a converter (eg: brook wingman) to be able to use this on a ps5? edit: just saw it at the end of the video :D

[@xaviersejour9183]

Honest question is this better than a keyboard and how come consuls don’t really support keyboards outside Fortnite? I know buttons fight pads are controversial so yeah Would this be considered cheating? Or if we were allowed to use keyboards would a button pad still be worth owning?

[@ChronoAscension]

Console manufacturers are going to focus on the main designated peripheral of their device so sticking to controllers is definitely their main concern. These types of controllers do have a bit of controversy but they are completely legal, example of some pros that use similar style controllers are Nephew, Daigo, and Kakeru. The main reason people would use one of these is first console compatibility as they are made to be used on console unlike most keyboards, as well as ergonomics and the layout. With these, the buttons are more spaced and and much larger and easier to press. With a keyboard you have smaller keys and you may accidentally bump into other keys. At the end of the day it’s all preference, if you can get a keyboard to work you can play it however you like, just most people prefer something more tailored for fighting game play for extra comfort.

[@ShadowsCozyInn]

can S16 be used with PC? I looked it up on Amazon, but it says Platform: PS4

[@ChronoAscension]

All of these controllers can be used on PC. Just hold the B button when you first plug it in and it’ll be set the the X-Input mode for PC.

[@Zections]

Im doing everything right ive updated the controller, changed the mode to ps5, held down Y so it would switch too ps5 mode and yet nothing is working idk what im doing wrong. Plus the gp2040 website updated so i dont have to do the ps4 mode then arcade stick i can just select ps5 mode so idk if that has something to do with it

[@ChronoAscension]

Is it disconnecting or just not working at all on PS5?

[@Zections]

@@ChronoAscension I ended up connecting it a different way and got it too work ig for some reason on the t16 having the converter plugged into the console then plugging the t16 in that way doesn’t work cause someone else was having the same problem

[@ChronoAscension]

@@Zections Glad you got it to work. I'm curious though, which converter are you using? The setup for GP2040-CE based controllers allows for adapters to be plugged into the controller itself for authentication. Doing it this way makes it so that it's lagless. The Wingman converter is one that can be plugged into the console, but it can also be plugged into the controller itself. Other adapters like the MayFlash v1.1 will only go in the controller, and not the console.

[@Kiefy6886]

I don't understand about uploading keys to play on ps4. I bought the Magicboots adapter. Can I just plug that in and not upload any keys?

[@ChronoAscension]

If you have the adapter then you do not need the keys. Make sure to change the controller to Arcade Stick mode like I show in the video though to use the adapter.

[@Kiefy6886]

@@ChronoAscension perfect ok thank you

[@si-sowaddiaing9995]

hey mate, how do you know which button on the M16 is which PIN? thanks in advance!

[@ChronoAscension]

I believe the manual it came with should have them labeled, but if not, people post images of the controller with the pin numbers in the Discord and you could search in there or ask.

[@superslavbross9935]

Anyone had problem with controller disconecting while pluged in via usb-c + USB hub ? Mine keeps disconnecting randomly in tekken 8. I booted it in XINPUT (windows/steam).

[@ChronoAscension]

Have you tried a different cable? I'd assume it would be something to do with the cable, USB hub, or USB port of the computer.

[@RawrAmDino]

would you recommend switching to PS5 stuff bujt only still playing on PC? is xput faster ?

[@ChronoAscension]

Xinput has a very slight amount less lag so if you're on PC I would just use Xinput, especially since the button mapping is meant for PC so you'll have less problems with your game button bindings.

[@axMf3qTI]

Can someone explain why these are called leverless and not stickless or joy switches?

[@Ralph-kv7kf]

The stick is also called as a lever due to the mechanism of how it hits the switches inside when you move the stick.

[@CrimsonRayne101]

Preference on t16 vs m16? trying to get my first leverless!

[@ChronoAscension]

It all depends on which size and material you like better. The T16 is larger so it may end up being comfortable for most people, while the M16 will be a bit smaller and can end up being uncomfortable. The M16 definitely does have a more premium feel because of the metal though, and it isn't impossible to play with it on your lap. There's also customization of art which is going to be easier for the T16 since you can put art between the acrylic layers, while the M16 you'll need to get a decal sticker. I personally like both, but if I could only pick one, I would go with the T16 since I do prefer larger controllers since I play with it on my lap.

[@ethicalhackerwhitehat]

leverless looks fun, But can it really be easier than joystick?

[@ChronoAscension]

Some techniques may feel easier on it but you still have to learn things like with a joystick controller. There’s benefits and drawbacks to it so I wouldn’t say to get the controller because you think it’ll make you a better player. Now for Tekken it does make certain techniques a lot easier like KBD and Wavedash, so it definitely has better application to 3D games in that aspect. But again, it won’t magically make you a better player and I’d just see what you find to be more comfortable as plenty of players use stick and plenty use leverless.

[@ethicalhackerwhitehat]

@@ChronoAscension ok. I'm 100% Tekken guy so I will try leverless

[@theanxietynurse]

Greetings, may I ask if this is compatible with xbox series s?

[@ChronoAscension]

Just like with PS4 and PS5, you need an adapter plugged into the USB-A slot of the controller. Adapters like the Mayflash MagONE or the Mayflash Magic X will work on Xbox One and Series S and X. I forgot the setup process for this as it’s been a while, but those adapters will work so keep those in mind.

[@strawhatrore2072]

So does this ps5 support work for ps5 titles? Or only for ps4 titles. I really want a controller like this for tekken 8 but I’m in New Zealand so it costs a lot to get one to me.

[@ChronoAscension]

With an adapter it'll have no disconnection issues and works for PS4 games and PS5 fighting games, so it will work for Tekken 8.

[@block36079]

Yo, are the buttons (except the jump button) on the s16 the same size as the buttons on the m16?

[@ChronoAscension]

No, the buttons on the S16 are smaller and not the same size as the M16.

[@mentazmic]

Hi, I'm on the verge of buying one, does it work natively with the Xbox Series?

[@ChronoAscension]

Natively, no, you will need an adapter plugged into the side of it like the Mayflash Magic-X or the Mayflash MAGONE FPS adapter (low availability on this one so probably go with the Magic-X). The method of plugging it into the side makes it so that there's no lag since it is meant for authentication only, different to how traditional adapters work. But you also need to update the controller's firmware, the file can be found on the support section of their website or in their discord server. If you need a visual representation of these steps, the web firmware update section is at 7:50 in the video and the controller adapters at 12:17

[@mentazmic]

@@ChronoAscension thanks

[@AppleMacFlip]

can i program the 2 lower buttons next to the jump/space button to r3 l3? is that specific to any model?

[@ChronoAscension]

The button to the left of jump is already mapped to L3 and the one to the right is already R3 so no changes need to be made for that. If you ever want to make changes in the future, you can edit it in the Web configurator’s pin mapping section.

[@momo.ru-kun]

What layout did you use with the display, I updated mine to 0.7.7, but there's no layout for the extra buttons

[@ChronoAscension]

You want to set the left side to 16 button leverless and do the same for the right side.

[@momo.ru-kun]

​@@ChronoAscension weird, mine doesn't have it, the selection is only stick, stickless, buttons angled, buttons basic, keyboard, dancepad, twinstick, blank, vlx, fightboard, custom, and open core. If I choose stickless, it doesn't show any options to add buttons. if i choose custom, the selection is just the same from the main.

[@ChronoAscension]

@@momo.ru-kun Is the update file you used from the Haute42 website or Discord, and did you nuke it before updating? This might be why it doesn't show up as an option.

[@momo.ru-kun]

​@@ChronoAscension gp2040 website under haute42 specific dl link

[@momo.ru-kun]

yes, same repository checked the source, the one that came from haute42 is the same from signature from github, also nuked before flashing. Both m16, m13, and g16 didnt have it. So it might be a different version distributed in the discord

[@jcool661]

which usb cable are you using? I see it a braded one.

[@ChronoAscension]

They’re just USB C cables from Amazon. One is from a brand named Topk and the other was from a company called QQLike.

[@ttg889]

T16 is really for home use and pro plays. Those S and M are for short amount of time playing.

[@Albertredneck]

why?

[@alexandrasergeeva3328]

If its possible to play not fighting games on it? GTA 5 ?

[@ChronoAscension]

Yes but it will be difficult because in GTA you need to have left analog stick to move and right analog stick to look around, so it may not play that well on this since you only have one of those at a time. Also depends on which console you play it on.

[@heyaitsisaiah9839]

so wait do these like DEFINITELY work with Xbox?! can anyone confirm?

[@ChronoAscension]

You'll need to update the firmware and get one of the adapters like I mentioned in the video. Sorry if there was any confusion, the compatibility is listed in the way it is as buying the controller and the adapter for it end up being way less than big retail options, and they take use of the USB slot on the side of the controller for no added lag like like using adapters in the traditional method does.

[@arsenal_too]

I’ve just got the haute42 t16 with the majic boots converter…idk if I’m doing something wrong but it’s not working on my ps5 the lights and buttons working but not through the console

[@ChronoAscension]

Have you gone into the web configurator and changed the PS4 input to Arcade Stick? Also make sure to press the 2nd punch button when plugging it in, and to press the Home button. That may fix it.

[@arsenal_too]

@@ChronoAscension no I don’t have a pc at the moment…do I need one for it to work ?

[@ChronoAscension]

I believe you do need one to enable the setting. If I were in your situation I would maybe ask to borrow a friend’s laptop or go to the library and use a computer to use the web configurator.

[@arsenal_too]

@@ChronoAscension oh ok thank you…what about the fgc Brooke wingman is it the same for that or is that just plug and play

[@ChronoAscension]

@@arsenal_too You can use the Wingman and not need to change any settings. Using the Wingman the normal way of plugging the cable into it will add a little bit of lag, but I doubt you will notice it. Plugging it into the side would have no lag but if you can't access a computer, then using the Wingman the normal way will be your best option.

[@npaz24]

Hey sir, there is something you havent clarify though, what if i want to use a WASD layout but i want to use the UP button for something else like a R2 button for playstation for example, is that possible ?? thats the only thing preventing me from buying this

[@ChronoAscension]

Yes, you can do so in the Pin Mappings section of the web configurator.

[@npaz24]

@@ChronoAscension thankyou for replying, and also with that configuration is it possible for me to use it on playstation? Or this would Only work with pc?

[@ChronoAscension]

@@npaz24 You will need to plug in an adapter like the Mayflash v1.1, Wingman FGC, or PXN N5 to the USB slot on the controller. Then in the web configurator, go to the Settings tab, change input mode to PS4, then change it to say Arcade Stick to work on PS4 games and PS5 fighting games. Your configuration will work with Playstation as well.

[@IRahkuBz]

not sure if you tried it, but wdyt of the T series? also, is it easy to add custom art work?

[@ChronoAscension]

I have another video covering the T series. But in short I think it’s a good option since you have a lot of buttons to work with for the T16 model which made it really useful for SF6 Drive Impact and Parry. It’s also really spacious so your hands won’t cramp and I enjoyed using it a lot. From what I’ve heard, the art is simple enough to change. With the way it’s designed it’s multiple layers of acrylic layered up, so you would unscrew the bottom screws and take out the top parts securing the screws in, then it’s just a matter of slipping your art in underneath the layers and closing it back up.

[@IRahkuBz]

Just went and saw that video. yea I think I'll go with the T series since it seems more comfortable for me. thank you so much!! @@ChronoAscension

[@jmproductions7041]

I want to play tekken 8 with one of these. Do I want 13 buttons or 16??

[@ChronoAscension]

SF6 has benefits of the extra buttons, but Tekken not so much, so either get the 13 button layout for Tekken, or the 16 button layout in case you ever feel like you’d want more buttons in the future.

[@charnished9116]

Which one is more comfortable, the t16 or m16?

[@ChronoAscension]

I prefer the T16 for lap play since it's much larger, but the M16 has a metal build and I prefer to use it on my table, but it is does work for lap play as well. I personally prefer the T16 in terms of overall comfort as I usually play with my controllers on my lap, but it ultimately depends on which way you play.

[@charnished9116]

@@ChronoAscension Ok thanks. Also forgot to ask this but can you remove the buttons like for example the button next to the jump button at the bottom left?

[@Bryns0528]

Is it required to update the controller or you can just use it as is?

[@ChronoAscension]

You can use it as is. You’ll have full PC, PS3, and Switch support (just press the corresponding button when plugging it into the console, it’ll remember your setting so this is just done when you switch between consoles). For full PS4 and/or PS5 compatibility, you don’t have to update but you’ll need to access the web configurator. If you want to enable Xbox passthrough you’ll need to update it.

[@poch3323]

what cable are you using for your m16? type-c to type-c?

[@ChronoAscension]

I use a USB C to A cable. The controller comes with one but I just use my own.

[@poch3323]

@ChronoAscension when I'm updating the firmware of my m16, I should plug the USB C to the the m16 right?

[@ChronoAscension]

@@poch3323 Yes, the USB C goes into the controller, then the USB A goes into the computer.

[@istheway-gu6yo]

Is it possible to configure macros on the S16?

[@ChronoAscension]

I believe that you can, but I don’t know much about the macro settings for it so you could maybe ask in the Haute42 Discord server.

[@ayohollaatyaboy]

How do you extract the keys from the ps4 controller to avoid the 8 min time out ?

[@KetsubanSolo]

It involves hard-modding your PS4, so you're probably better off getting a dongle (ie: Magicboots PS4 1.1, Mayflash Magic-S Ultimate, BROOK Wingman FGC, PXN N5 Steering Wheel Adapter, etc) that you plug into the EXT port to get in that way.

[@ayohollaatyaboy]

@@KetsubanSolo ordered a brook dongle ! Much appreciated !

[@Vospi]

Hey, I have a question. So I want to get one of these to play Tekken on consoles, and I've been playing on PC+keyboard for years. I understand that the most compact one might not be that comfy to hold on the lap or else, but my question is: the size of keys themselves looks actually more comfy and compact, but not crammed like their keyboard product. Do you think switching to the T/M series size might be an issue after playing on keyboard for so long? Meaning the buttons are too spaced out? Thanks a lot for a clear review and for the usb sticks options as well.

[@ChronoAscension]

I started trying out leverless on keyboard so it’s actually going to help you more and it won’t hinder you. Having bigger buttons and more space between them will actually feel more comfortable to play on since you’ll be able to feel where each button is better.

[@_riderheal2582]

How do you think about the p12

[@ChronoAscension]

I have a video for it coming soon

[@_riderheal2582]

@@ChronoAscension 🤩😍😍

[@alexandertorres5832]

Nice video, please can you explain how can i use it on ps5 with a PS pass

[@ChronoAscension]

Thank you. First you need to go to the web configurator by holding start when plugging your controller into your computer. Then go to 192.168.7.1/ From here make a backup like I show in the video. Then go to settings, change input to PS4, then change controller to Arcade Stick then press save at the bottom. You will need to buy an adapter or use a licensed PS4 controller plugged into the USB A slot of the controller at all times. This will only work for fighting games and not all PS5 games.

[@rmonsterz8303]

what update is the M16 on? just got mine but cant figure out why my oled isnt like yours

[@rmonsterz8303]

how do you get M1,M2,LS,and RS to show on oled?

[@ChronoAscension]

If you go to the screen display settings, then change the left side and right side layout to 16 button leverless, it should show all buttons.

[@rmonsterz8303]

@@ChronoAscension thanks for the reply man checking it rn but i dont see an option to change to 16 button leverless

[@ChronoAscension]

@@rmonsterz8303 I was going off memory, but I checked again and in the Display Configuration tab, it should say Button Layout left and right, and all the way at the bottom of the drop down list it should say "Stickless 16" and that should hopefully do it. If that doesn't work then maybe join their Discord and ask for help.

[@jman561000]

can u not use the mayflash magic s ultimate for ps5 compatibility?

[@ChronoAscension]

I think that the Magic S ultimate adapter needs to be updated for that, but there were people reporting that the update bricked their adapter.

[@kiyuxcx1878]

Are they ports for headphones?

[@ChronoAscension]

No, they do not have headphone ports.

[@_riderheal2582]

why is my pin configuration page is not same as yours?

[@ChronoAscension]

You may need to update it because the stock firmware version has a different pin mapping look.

[@_riderheal2582]

@@ChronoAscension ohhhhh thx

[@jl5177]

Do these work on xbox? It says windows so i asume so but wanna know for sure before i buy one

[@ChronoAscension]

I replied to a similar comment with this, hope it helps. “You'll need to update the firmware for Xbox support and get one of the adapters like I mentioned in the video. Sorry if there was any confusion, the compatibility is listed in the way it is as buying the controller and the adapter for it end up being way less than big retail options, and they take use of the USB slot on the side of the controller for no added lag like like using adapters in the traditional method does.”

[@enjoysuon]

so to play on the ps5 with this is need a converter ?

[@ChronoAscension]

Yes, you need an adapter and to make sure that you change the PS4 Input Mode to Arcade stick in the Web Configurator.

[@I3asyl]

I have the kitsune but was thinking of selling it to get this. I like playing on the desk, which of the haute do you recommend or do u think i should just stick to the kitsune?

[@ChronoAscension]

Many people have said that the T16 is most similar in size to the Kitsune so you may have the best experience transferring to that one. Make sure that if you want to play on PS5 that you get an adapter like the Mayflash v1.1 and follow the instructions in the video on setting that up in the web configurator. If you are comfortable with what you have already, I don’t see a need to swap. However if you want to sell it to get some money back and to buy something affordable and of good quality, as well as making use of extra buttons then I’d say go for it. The M16 is also similar to the kitsune with its aluminum design but it is considerably smaller so you’ll have to take that into consideration.

[@baller4501]

do i need to have an adapter for ps5 to actually use the controller or no?

[@ChronoAscension]

If you plan to play on the PS5, then yes. For PC, Switch, and PS3, you do not need an adapter.

[@baller4501]

does this work with other models like the G13?

[@ChronoAscension]

@@baller4501 Yes, they all have the same firmware.

[@Beamken]

Do I disable ps4 mode and ps pass through if I’m using series x?

[@ChronoAscension]

I believe that only PS4 mode needs to be disabled as PS passthrough and Xbox passthrough are enabled by default.

[@Beamken]

Thank you!

[@not_fresh6736]

how can you use it with xbox now? is any converter available?

[@ChronoAscension]

You need to update the controller and plug in the Mayflash Magic-X or Mayflash MagOne FPS to the controller’s USB A slot.

[@not_fresh6736]

​@@ChronoAscension thanks