After 100 hr full review of 850j dozer and C&C equipment experience. It's been quite the story.

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Update and full review on the 850j since its purchase and where we are now with it.
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[@C_CEQUIPMENT]

Thanks for posting an update video! We were glad to help out and yes you may of paid retail but we do stand behind our machines if there is a major problem, we will make it right, that's why you are paying retail. They machine was checked out originally by an ex employee who we had let go right after he looked at that machine. But that is not your problem, at the end of the day its our name on the line and that's why we made it right with you. I would also like to note that this is an 8,000 hour dozer and not the normal low hour ones we sell. Yes I agree Deere needs to let go of the software to work on these machines. They are getting older now and it doesn't justify paying a dealer or a field tech to come out and fix. Normally the people buying these older machines have some mechanical knowledge and could do some of the testing and calibrating there selves if they could get the software. I am actually making a video today on how to calibrate the transmission on a Deere dozer so hopefully other people can do it. Thanks for feedback.

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks for everything Clint and team you guys do business the way to should be done and very Appreciative of that. Would highly recommend you to anyone.

[@augustreil]

You guys did some serious work to make things right and that's a sign of a great shop. Thumbs up to you guys !

[@robertprice5038]

@@DirtPerfect There are groups that are fighting for the right to repair. This one of them- kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZumnqWGqrGsnrM

[@stevenr8606]

Good comment Clint. However, Mike as a retail purchaser WAS the recipient of the shoddy PDI (pre-delivery inspection) done by C&C Equipment. Even though your shop manager should have caught, some of the issues, he didn't. And, you are the end of the line of any problems. Best stop being complacent & more active... as you have shown!

[@NoseyLurker]

C&C Equipment definitely has shown their character of what they will do when things do not go as planned. I highly commend them on doing the right thing as soon as they found out about it. It says a lot. This video puts the timeline in perspective of when who found out about what. Thanks DP

[@MrHughk1]

Right to repair is a big issue world wide. Louis Rossmann on here fixes electronics but is a big right to repair advocate, worth a look.

[@gbsnowden1288]

I second this, Louis is pushing hard to get States to pass right to repair laws not just for household electronics but for all industries.

[@WoodNMetalWorkshop]

It's great to see others talking about the right to repair. One thing we can all do is call and email state and federal representatives, let them know that this is important to you. With mid-term elections coming up, if you get the chance go to a rally or town hall meeting and ask them about it in person.

[@joshuarespecki1883]

Right to repair is a huge deal. These KZbinrs have an amazing platform to reach people about right to repair and the rpm act. Would love to see more advocacy before this way of life is taken away.

[@royordway9157]

I had never heard the term "right to repair" until this week in a news article. I don't know if the State of Maine or the Federal government are looking at it but someone is talking about it. Again, I had never heard about it before. I'm an old carpenter not an equipment owner.

[@BobPegram]

Let's be fair; incompetent owner/repairmen can screw up pieces of equipment far worse than ever happens "naturally" (originally). (Mustie1 "Other shop gave up" kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKHFhJuha8uAmdE ) That said, many repair services/shops are just as incompetent! (See Car Wizard "How did the Dealer miss this?" kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHS1lWWgoNVog8k ) You should have access to what you need to repair your own equipment!! The solution to the problem of botched repairs should NOT be that only the agents of the manufacturers can repair them! The solution should be that the necessary information to do a repair properly is made widely known. Software, a major source of problems, already does this with open source software. Lots of folks get to see the code and fix it as well as neaten it up and make it more understandable, even if only by comprehensive comments embedded with the code.

[@HootMaRoot]

It's great to finally see youtubers like to help push "right to repair" especially since many in the US government are in the pockets of big corporations and not willing to allow farmers, Big equipment operators all the way down to phone repair shops fix anything. It is more like you are paying for items for a long term lease and can only pay the same company to repair the item instead of outright owning it and being able to fix yourself

[@davidpayne2880]

Mike, thanks for the honesty of the problems with the 850J, and giving credit to C&C for them standing behind their business to keep the reputation as decent dealers.

[@SandBoxJohn]

KZbinr Louis Rossmann has been routinely bitching right to repair for quite sometime: kzbin.info/aero/PLkVbIsAWN2lsmovRO20_gtfUfgWi-XnnT

[@HootMaRoot]

@@SandBoxJohn yes I have known about him for a long time, but I would like to add it was farmers that got the "right to repair" started long before Lewis was in

[@americanpatriot2.06]

I was stationed at Ramstein AB, Germany working on the Air Force Vehicle Fleet. We had a ton of BlueBird and Thomas busses with Caterpillar engines. Every time there was an engine issue, we had to park it and have Fleet Management coordinate a contract for a Caterpillar Dealer Technician to come out to troubleshoot and repair. On average, the vehicle was down between 3-6 months. Caterpillar would NOT provide the test equipment and tools to do the repairs ourselves. They did offer to train some of our technicians at the governments expense (about three times more than a non-government student). They would only train a government technician who would be assigned to the shop for at least 10 years and ONLY that technician can use the equipment and tools. Not feasible with the military technicians since we move and deploy often. The local civilians contracted to work with us tend to stay much longer, but none of them wanted to be responsible for the equipment and maintenance unless their contracts were amended to include the special duties as well as an increase in pay for those special duties. I don't blame them. They deserve to get paid for what they do. Anything extra is required to be added to their contracts and paid appropriately. But our local leadership didn't want to do it. Needless to say, all this BS was up channeled to the pentagon and a recommendation to utilize LOCAL vehicles would be cheaper and easier to maintain. Costs would be about 60% less. Unfortunately, the Pentagon will only honor its current contracts with the long time Big Corporations and feels that changing contracts would be catastrophic for the relationships with those companies. In other words, those we rely on to ensure we can do our mission cared more about their backdoor deals and reach arounds. So, our busses continued to sit for up to half a year for a 2-3 hour test and repair service at an astronomical cost that siphons too much of our annual maintenance budget. The newer the vehicles get, the more complicated they are to work on and the less WE are able to do without the manufacturer. Not exactly the type of equipment we want to utilize in a wartime situation or peace time emergencies.

[@johnunsicker7440]

There are a lot more theses days fighting the big manufacturer to let the farmers and other service tech into the computers. This was the same when cars starting to have more computers they didn't want the small guys to be able to service the cars but ended up losing that battle. The same is happening AG an heavy equipment. Why should you be down for 8 to 24 hours for a fix that take 15 minutes that most mechanic can do them self. People are really fighting for right to repair. They understand they don't want them to be able to do everything but to do the basic stuff there shouldn't be a problem.

[@littlefinkle7757]

I agree! When they sell the equipment they charge us for every part. If we own every part, we should have access to every part. Fairly simple, until lawyers and politics get involved. None of which are bought with the equipment. Great video and salute to C&C equipment! 🇺🇸💪

[@kennygray9013]

The computers and emissions are the biggest troubles with newer equipment. Had to change a heater control valve on a tractor. We done it and still didn’t work. Called a friend that’s a dealer tech. He said has to have the part number installed in the computer to work. So had to dig old one from scrap which was still on top and they had to come out and do the computer gig. Service call fee then the mileage and then a computer fee added up to like $500 to simply change numbers in the computer to make it work. He wasn’t there 10 minutes to complete it.

[@ecclesmilligan8712]

Ye that's just thievery Kenny. It also puts independent mechanics out of business so should be called out under restraint of trade if you have anything like that in the USA.

[@99unclebob]

agreed , every new vehicle manufacturer does the exact same thing, biggest example with almost all new vehicles going to drive by wire when one goes, it is the same procedure, buy the part yourself , then install and the same code comes up on the dash, so you book the appt , take it in and the put in the new serial # of the part and its get programmed and then the ECU gets updated its does a test, and the you get the green check mark on the test equipment and away you go, so the part was $1200.00 and the programming is 1 hr equals another 130.00/hr and taxes = $1500.00 and then they tell you next time just buy it we program it for you and you take it home and change it yourself using a 3 or 4 mm allen wrench, 😎

[@rockman531]

Hey Mr. Dirt, Your in-depth explanation of the 'j' issues certainly filled in many gaps! Much appreciated! Looking forward to your next project. Stay safe. Jim in Phoenix.

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks Jim

[@blackdogexcavator21]

Communication is always key, I'm just glad it's fixed. Stay safe.

[@johnquinn3899]

Hey Mike, great synopsis of events, and I’m glad you got the assistance you did. The proprietary position JD has taken has a lot of resistance from many owners. Thanks, John

[@bobbowlinex9319]

Right the repair is a big thing I'm glad you're on the side of the Angels. They also log your operator data and use that to improve their machines and then make them more automated to get rid of you. On my new cat excavator I had them disconnect The Cellular connection so they can't steal my operation data.

[@sheemondallasgeorgia]

I really enjoyed this video. While I understand the You Tube dynamics, most videos are a bit superficial. This is why I enjoyed this video and enjoy this channel. Mike presents an issue (not the Microsoft coined "issue") and then proceeds to demonstrate it, explain it and solve it for us. This is really interesting. This is a "worth your time" video on a "worth your time", inoffensive channel. Thank you!

[@billbergquist4722]

The C&C channel is quite interesting and entertaining with everything from rebuilding an engine to the Crown Vic races. Seem really knowledgeable about everything related to heavy equipment and have a well equipped shop with nice tools.

[@stevendegonia]

Hmmmmm... As someone who has taken many engines and equipment apart and repaired and rebuilt them, I would like to know if your crew has found any locations of the Discombobulator Valves yet? 🤣🤣 I also agree that owners and personal mechanics should have access to all the data and settings for the equipment they own/service! Stay Healthy and Safe and clean the windows and shop! LOL 🤣🤣

[@dansbrown1313]

There is one new (to me) fact coming out in this video, that may explain a lot. The 850 J spent the first 8ooo working hours in a coal mine and exposed to crystalline silica dust. Coal dust is electrically conductive and over time can complicate a machines electronics. I'm a retired Paramedic and not a Mechanic but as I listened to Mike reviewing the issues, I thought coal dust was worth mentioning. Cheers from Canada.

[@daveennis2800]

That was a very informative video thank you for taking the time to explain MAN BEHIND THE SCENES still rocks 🪨

[@lloydholt6511]

Great explanation of your time line with the new dozer. Clint and crew really did a great job taking care of your problems. This is the kind of dealer that gets the great word of mouth advertising that most dealerships only dream of. I have since subscribed to his channel and enjoy his repair work. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@DirtPerfect]

I agree

[@phillipjones3342]

Thanks for sharing and thank you C&C for fixing his problems it says a lot about A company who is willing to go the extra mile which you did

[@williammatthews2948]

I hope you've finally gotten the issues with this dozer settled out. I've been watching C&C videos on You tube and they seem like they're a good company. I would probably buy something from them if I needed to purchase a piece of heavy equipment.

[@hastingshayandtreefarm4402]

Mike I can say that your honest and give an honest opinion no matter whose feelings get hurt, but you also admit when your wrong, kudos to C&C for making it right it takes alot as a company to admit when you have a problem and to take the steps to fix the problem.

[@allanwilson4495]

Glad to see things are working out. Big shout out to Clint at C&C equipment

[@laurencehastings1159]

Have to say one of your best videos, well presented and very well said. Lovely to see this day and age. Thank you DP

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks

[@doclull1989]

Great video DP!! Glad you and Clint were able to get the 850J's problems worked out. Now you have to talk Clint into letting you use the 1050K. Think Jerry would fall in love with that beast!

[@SEFI_Swiss]

Hello DP Your videos are very good, I've been watching all of your videos for a few months now. Today's November 4th, 2021 is the best I've seen of you. What impressed me the most was that you apologized to C&C Equipment in this video for the video you made when you first talked about your new acquisition and all the problems that came up. Now they should. who attacked C&C like wild animals and gave you a hard time, sorry to C&C (my opinion) As you can now find out for yourself, the medium video and KZbin are a powerful tool to judge someone without them knowing the background. Keep up the good work and don't let yourself be dissuaded from being successful. Matt from SEFI

[@vancochran7344]

I started watching your channel after seeing you on Let's Dig 18. Good content!! I have enjoyed watching you and Jerry!

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks appreciate that

[@russorpcom]

This was a enjoyable video. I appreciated your explanations of your dealings with C & C and how each dozer differs.

[@kwshilts]

C & C is a stand-up company. Three Cheers for them doing the right thing after the sale.

[@gayle4804]

Everything runs and cycles and I'm glad things are going your way finally and the green machine is functioning perfectly

[@travismarett7100]

There is a large right to repair lawsuit going on with farmers in the Midwest. If construction equipment got on board with farmers maybe we can make something happen.

[@dwaynekoblitz6032]

So maybe the cylinders weren't the only problem with the blades, but at least I was right in that they replaced them. Without seeing the hydraulic schematic, and not being a heavy equipment mechanic, and not seeing the bad oil, I would've had no knowledge of the Fast Down valve. I'm glad C&C stood behind their work and machine. I'd have no problem doing business with them. Honest mechanics are GOLD!! We all know that. I strive to be the best mechanic I can be. Hopefully that beautiful dozer is fixed and ready to push Dirt Perfect!!

[@ZenWithKen]

Who knew pushing dirt around could be so complicated? Thanks for sharing!

[@TerryFaulkner-d2k]

Mike just like you say you're a good month behind in posting videos? I'm a good year behind in viewing. Believe me when I say, your job is extremely harder than mine lol !! Mike your knowledge is Amazing !!! And fun for us to see your mind and trouble shooting work. Brother we might not be working on an 850J ? But the things you teach ? Cross over to Many other projects !! Thank You For Sharing Your Knowledge !!!

[@iancoleman6659]

@letsdig18 would probably suggest a decal to cover the counterweight scratches on the 140 lol.

[@INOPDOC]

I work for a major corporation that too had their machines locked down and sensors could only be changed or calibrated by us with proprietary software. I think they have gotten a lot of push back over the years and they finally have allowed changing or calibrating a sensor through the display of the machine on the recently released units but some areas are still locked down.

[@skinnerjoseph3241]

farmers are already getting after equipment dealers and companies for the right to have the monitor and computer systems to be able to replace parts or repair the equipment.

[@dustinpitts2741]

C and C equipment sounds like a awesome company to deal with , i can assure you that I have not got that kind of service on used equipment in AL,,, you bought it now it's yours is the norm around here, shout out to C and C for being there for you;;;;;;;

[@radioace318la]

Mad Props to C&C. Communication is vital when it comes to great service. Happy to see everything worked out as it did. The proprietary programming thing also gets under my skin. I have observed this updating equipment on airplanes. We have our Einstein politicians in DC to thank for their endless wisdom. There is no rational reason an owner can't connect a laptop and perform maintenance or repairs. It's all about who owns the software and how it's used. The politicians would have you think they have your best interest. They Do Not. Cheers from Louisiana.

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes awesome company check out his channel

[@SLCFarms]

I’ve been advocating right to repair for a few years now.

[@morgansword]

Out on the west coast and farther north, we have names on nearly all equipment and so yes putting your sticker on your equipment makes great sense. I hope that you do it on all the equipment including the service truck.

[@williamklein6649]

I agree the company’s should allow the consumers to work on there own equipment. I was 100% deere owner. I use there ag equipment. All of there loaders use proprietary buckets forks ect. Not using skid steer plates grinds me. I switched to Kubota because I can use any attachments a skid steer can on my tractor. Not forced to by what fits my tractor. Peace

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

Mikey…. That was a mouthful!!! You did a rather darn nice job of chronicling who knew what and when… the real story was who did what and when! And, I must say, C&C certainly did an upstanding job… after all, you bought it ‘used as-is’. My local John Deere dealer paid a lot less attention to my issues on the brand new ‘under warranty’ problems that I had on my Gator… Buy something else from them when the time is right…. They deserve it!!!!

[@stephenkeefer3436]

Wow ! Now I know how to run a dozer just enough to either smash something or hurt myself. Lol Great video!

[@DirtPerfect]

Lol

[@russellp4160]

He would have to show me the starting sequence. The master switch and such. Very informative and interesting to watch. Thanks Mike.

[@oceannavagator]

The issue with right to repair is whether or not you actually own your equipment that you paid for. If you have no access to the software that operates the machine you are not the owner, in my humble opinion. To illustrate how much money is at stake, all you have to do is to see how much money is spent by manufacturers lobbying law makers who allow them to get away with this robbery. When you purchase something you should own it lock stock and barrel. It is essentially the same as buying a house from a contractor but he won't allow you into the basement where the heater and air conditioner are.

[@Jrojan]

Egr valve stuck open would also cause your high intake air temps, more likely that than exhaust on a sensor… Also would cause a low power issue, curious to know if it had more power now??

[@TheNiramc]

C&C Equipment came out and made it right Clint is one hell of a stand up guy

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes he is

[@SpartanZapp]

The 120 deserves a dozen stickers and the old 850 as well. Ol faithfuls need the love

[@kevinkenyon7045]

Mike great video, you’re setting the record straight with C&C they seem like great guys! Thanks for sharing. Kevin

[@jGoodloejr]

Another thing to remember this was a military machine and the military never knows where this machine will be sent or how it will be used for so many things are over thought for the private sector!! So great luck and you guys stay great and havefun!

[@squirtdaddy3428]

Im glad C&C took care of your problems so well but, I can't help but wander if they would have done so much if it was me, or anybody else without a popular KZbin channel like yours???

[@jessereed8589]

I like it simple anything watch c.c. Your dirt perfect example of good clean family shows you guys work your tails off I learned a lot from youal

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks

[@drmckinley]

Great video. Texas Dan. Add cameras for blade view and stick up rods at edges of blade. .

[@jeffreykbevins7116]

Mike, I can't blame you feeling the way that you do about the EGR, being able to set it up with the computer yourself. I have repaired appliances for years and if the makers had to go out here and repair some stuff, they would design them different on some things. So I know a little bit about what your talking about. As much as a piece of equipment like the 850J costs an owner should be able to do that stuff theirself. Your 850B is like a dozer that I ran for a couple days, years ago and I really liked the way that the dozer operator . They are nice dozers and we sure know that Jerry knows that don't we. Another great video, see you later. As always, Jeffrey !!!

[@jeffreykbevins7116]

My phone changed the word. It should have said , the way that the dozer ( operated ).

[@DirtPerfect]

Lol thanks buddy

[@willb3018]

If I had a business, I would have the company name, website and all contact information on all of the equipment.....along with the KZbin channel as you did. Agree about "right to repair". Nice summary. on the 850. Glad it all worked out. But, as is, is as is. While the KZbin channel no doubt helped, seller had no obligation to do anything so kudos to C&C.

[@apollorobb]

Need a LD18 decal on the Volvo to make it work better lol. Great video Mike

[@loriford8159]

hey mike, love the video showing the operation of the dozers. also the update on the repairs to the machine. where is the ripper on the 850J ????? we know you got it on there. LOL Keep up the great work. minus 15 degrees and snow up here in Ontario Canada right now

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks stay tuned

[@daviddelaney5180]

Clint at C&C sure puts out good videos! I really believe that he is sharp on those bulldozers. I almost believe you need the Bigger Dozer he had.

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes he is

[@thomasbailey8306]

Ive been operating equipment sense I was 16 years old. Ive operated alot of different types of machinesand sizes , CAT, Komastu, John Deere, Terex and so on. I have to say John Deere, in my opion is the best dozer As Far as pushing and Steep hill climbing and ease of operating and grading winching in certain applications, and the 850 Series are a Great Dozer.for all it. The 850 K LGP with a 6 way blade is a Absolute Bull/ Billygoats..As fad as clean up and Climbing abilities The 850K LGP. Is an awesome machine for it.Now working around tight spaces cleaning up the 450 , 700, are great for that. What Im trying to say is John Deere really came a long way. Now this is all PRE DEF Systems. I would much rather operate a John Deere then any other. But thats my Preference. I think you will be really happy with the 850 J. And if You ever get an opportunity to operate a 850 K LGP with the 6 way blade. Do it for sure. Youll understand what Im saying. The DEF systems are all JUNK and useless and just another money grabbing bullshit like the EGR valves are. And its bullshit that an owner of the Equipment cant go in and Change things in the computer to set stuff up. They are All the same way when it comes to that and it needs TOO CHANGE. Well enough ranting and babbling. Great review and video. Thanks for sharing..

[@carlossimmons3053]

Thanks for giving us a update about the on the equipment love your channel I am retired I used to Weld on big Equipment keep it up l have seen most all your vietos Bean from Va

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks buddy

[@hentycatsanctuary2951]

Great video and thank you for sharing, im 62 and i know which machine i would be operating.

[@alexosborne5629]

Thank you for the updates Mike 👍 Now I have been shown how to operate both dozers, very much doubt I could use either one though!!!! 🤔🤣

[@calmac06]

My '15 CAT 259D had an after-treatment/dpf code pop up a couple weeks ago out of the blue. 2300 hours before the computer called for dpf service. First time in my ownership that I had a problem I couldn't repair. Have to have CAT software to repair so it's currently at an independent wrench getting deleted. Cannot stand breakdowns like that where the machine is running perfectly but the computer triggers de-rate or limp mode. Unacceptable.

[@kellykeith7129]

Thanks for the 411 on the tractors.

[@randytravis3998]

dam computers ,, 2009 chevy pick up 2500 hd diesel .. code coming up for trailer wire harness brake system ,, ugh ,, and when code started I did not have the trailer hooked up ,, 7 pin factory plug also has dash brake control ,, pain in the back side having to deal with the computer ,, great video DP ,,

[@horneygeorgeforge7079]

have fun and keep doing it the dirt!

[@chrissheathewoodguy]

on some of the issues i can see were the dealer might have not know they were issues. but I'm glad all issues were resolved and the dealer did there best once the issues were brought to there attention . I agree with the programing issue. it's just as bad autos as well. I can't see it costing that much to do a service call for say 3 hrs. our dealer charges $90.00 phr. includes trip time. well i hope things stay working for a long time.

[@My6216]

Well the new iron is nice to spend 10 hours in but they just dont make them like they use too. I have spent thousands of dollars after thousand of dollars keeping my old iron runing and i still come out on top. Love the videos and keep them going.

[@alphonsotate2982]

Yes I love old iron

[@davidmays5231]

Stickers would look good on everything.

[@jonharrington4454]

The fact they fixed anything that was sold as is I’m amazed I have a brand new cat 306’ has had many issues cat has not been helpful at all and it’s under warranty. Love the channel and thanks for the update glad to here c&c is a reputable company maybe I should tell caterpillar to go stuff there selfs and go talk to c&c

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks Jon

[@jonharrington4454]

@@DirtPerfectJust know we know the pain equipment these days isn’t the same I have a old John Deere 1010 dozer from the 60s it has been more reliable then my cat d4 any day of the week my kubota sl95 utter junk and caterpillars new excavators ...need to do a reboot and go back to mechanical parts on equipment. This new emissions crap and electronics it’s a joke.

[@jw.smedinga4538]

A nice and useful review. It's also nice that you put it right again with C&C. One more question, are you going to work with GPS as well?

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks and no gps

[@kevinmurray7135]

I’m glad to see this video i didn’t know what really happened Cause C~C Equipment is a great company but i heard bits and pieces know i know but if you bought it as is i understand why you didn’t get a hold of them right away but when more issues kept happening you should have got a hold of Jay it must have been kinda bad when Jay got a hold of you i think communication is a must in any situation good or bad both you guys are darn good people glad it worked out and I’m glad to see this video and it helped a-lot 👍😎🇺🇸NY

[@TheJpsmith1996]

John deere offers customer service advisor to give yourself the ability to calibrate certain components. Iam familiar with it on the ag side and Iam sure the construction side has it as well.

[@koolaskoalas]

Glad they have looked after you .....but at the end of the day they did say it had been "through the shop" maybe the guide dog was away that day.

[@thomasleahy3767]

Great job with the different camera angles!!!!

[@johnmattu7262]

I'm really glad to hear that you're pretty sure you got all the bugs worked out of the new to you 850. I do wish you had called C&C first, not because of all the drama that fell out, but to see if they really would have been so willing to make it right. That would have told the REAL story, I'd like to think they would have, but they do sell used equipment without a warrantee so where do they draw the line?

[@dougyurecko6500]

Sticker all of them up!!!!!

[@mischef18]

Look forward to your next pond project bro, good video by the way. Safe travels up your way

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks buddy

[@billvandorn5332]

Not the first time I've heard of this complaint with the dealers service calls! I think it's time for a class action suit for all owners to make this change happen unless of course the manufacturers are willing to be a little bit more cooperative!

[@abikerinpa]

Farmers and trucking companies have been bitching about getting access to the computers etc for a while now and as you said Mike , the companies are not allowing us access and that is total bullshit , along with the emissions , that can put a small business and farmers and even the owner operator of a semi trucking business out of business 😪

[@cuban9splat]

Yes, the Volvo needs her sticker too. After all, my Mrs. will tell you that accessories are EVERYTHING LOL.

[@livingstonexcavation732]

I found a 750E model last week. I think I'm gonna jump on that deal. New under carriage. It needs a hot battery and one track adjuster seal and a new home. The man wants less than 20k for it. I think that is a good buy.

[@DirtPerfect]

Good old machines just make sure it tracks straight

[@dansevern3291]

Mike, I can see that C&C has stepped up and addressed some issues that should have been caught when it was "run through the shop," and to put a point on it, I think we've all had issues with "bad employees" screwing up our reputation, and from what you've been saying, C&C has done just about everything they can do to address the issue. I know there were a lot of negative comments in that first video, but in my opinion, it just shows how loyal your viewers are. Probably again that is based on a lot of us agreeing with stuff you say.

[@michaelridenour8054]

Great video mike thanks for the updates and information

[@Crewsy]

@17:18 “I think I’ll keep it” 🤔 Now we need to understand why there is a different 850J in the KZbin #short that you posted yesterday.

[@georgebryan6019]

DP be glade that you have a youtube channel to tell your story if it was me they would tell me to pack sand keep telling your story it help you and me to get stuff fixed

[@jameslindley924]

Check Under the Exhaust Box !!!!!!!!- they Rot out and blow hot air into the engine bay which obviously heat everything up !!!!!!!!!!!

[@Losttoanyreason]

C&C did well once they actually knew you had problems, you strong and silent type, LOL. They are good but they can't read your mind DP🤣. Communication buddy👍. They got rid of the incompetent employee that didn't do proper inspections who should have caught the track, obvious filter issues and perhaps the muffler one as well. The other hidden stuff even if he had been a top employee he likely wouldn't have noticed those as I'm sure during their inspections they don't dig earth for 8 hours long enough for the other issues to show up. Glad things seem to have settled. Loved the side by side comparison of the dozers. We had to fight for decades for car owners to have the right to take their cars to whom they wanted for scheduled maintenance without the dealers being able to void their warranties. Looks like a similar fight needs to be done for heavy equipment owners to work on their own equipment at least the stuff is no longer under warranty.

[@DougT25427]

Thanks for the LONG awaited 850J update. First thing before I forget… you have to teach Chris (Letsdig18) your video finger snap trick. When I first heard of the 850J issues I wondered why you didn’t quickly contact C&C. In hindsight it would have worked out a lot better if you did. I wasn’t ready to throw C&C under the bus because in today’s economy a business built on underhanded sales tactics isn’t going to be in business very long. In the very least they should have been given the opportunity to say no to helping with the 850. Near the end of this video, you mentioned an important piece of information… you believe the amount you paid for the 850 was on the upper end. If that is the case (and I agree) then C&C would be further motivated to help with the 850 problems… and they were. It would be a mistake not to acknowledge the support of your You Tube fan base. I’m sure it played a material part in this story. Looking forward to seeing the J push for many years to come.

[@DirtPerfect]

I agree you guys is awesome and thanks

[@samcowart7564]

Great video Michael honestly telling your side of the story and saying you should have called about the problems and nice of C&C to make it right on their end and if you have bigger stickers made I would buy a couple in a heartbeat if you decide to sell them hello from northeast Georgia

[@charlesfreed7834]

Nice looking machine hope it works out for you and all the bugs are worked out

[@JoeAroner-SIWAYTV]

Even with all the problems with this unit C&C doesn’t have an 850j for under $180,000. Hopefully you got a better deal than you think.

[@richardhedrick5601]

Great explanation of both machines hope the 850j serves you needs

[@adubbelde1]

I have a 15 Duramax with the LML engine. This engine uses the CP4 pump which is known for disintegrating and taking out the fuel system if you're not using good fuel. The issue is lack of lubricity. So to alleviate my fears I have been adding Stanadyne Lubricity improver to the fuel. Stanadyne makes diesel injection pumps so I'm fairly confident in the quality of their product and the reviews I've read are positive towards it. When I lived in Minnesota, most stations switched to #1 Diesel or a blend. Where I live in South Dakota, the winters aren't as cold and stations just put additives in the fuel.

[@batterpm11]

Adding a fuel pump also helps the longevity of that CP4 since for some reason the Duramax does not come with one.

[@adubbelde1]

@@batterpm11 there is a fuel pump but it's inadequate as far as providing clean fuel to the CP4. A lift pump with filters provides clean air free fuel to the CP4. FAS is one brand, but they're about $1000

[@batterpm11]

@@adubbelde1 Sorry a lift pump is what I meant to say. I just put a fass system with sump on my lb7. Air dog is good too

[@michaelrobbins6694]

A bit of humble pie with crow feathers? Lol. Just joking... You have explained your relationship with C Machines pretty well... The ERB sign.... There is more to that I'm sure! Great video DP!

[@DirtPerfect]

Thanks

[@mikeysgarage3697]

There seems to be something about following youtubers that triggers some people into thinking that they have a right to interfere between parties when things aren't quite going as they should. Like what's happened with this dozer, it should have just been left between yourself and C&C to sort out, but people just couldn't resist the urge to involve themselves in it. Now yes, it's nice that people will look out for each other, but at the same time, it can create tremendous animosity too, and I think there's some people need to go have a bit of a think about that. Anyway, I'm going to consider this all done and dusted, onward we go eh?

[@spudgamer6049]

John Deere may not be the only one who is anti right to repair, but they are the voice of it in the industry. And it certainly isn't new to them, they've played games with repair since at least the late 70s. Other companies keep their anti right to repair quieter, but doesn't mean they are less so.

[@billschreiber4902]

It sounds like you should call Kabota and see if they make a big dozer

[@DirtPerfect]

lol pass

[@garyjohnson4458]

My opion is simply that not enough time was taken in hiking out the dozer before buying it and the the dealer credit most would have said you bought it as is its your problem

[@harnold7992]

the richt to repair movement

[@tonepoem4438]

The 850j dozer interior appears oddly similar to the interior of a Bell AH-1 SeaCobra Gunship?

[@rudyfisher7660]

Is those flaps spots the little flat Pope's owner is Paula Pope's owner on each end of the blade on is the blade on the 850J does thit does that's where you can put up a laser or G pis there AGPS or something like that on the 850J

[@DirtPerfect]

Yes correct

[@jasonmckee5030]

Good video Mike. Thanks. Is the dif-stear on the JD similar to the dif-stear on like a D6 cat? My friend has a D6 and the stear will turn the dozer a good bit just sitting still. I love it while side cutting dirt out. Ole dozer will just keep on pushing. You know what I mean. I can say that it sounds like C&C Equipment is an awesome company in your area. They made things right with you..👍

[@dennislaws5187]

I do like C&C equipment they seem like they try to do things right. From Vids I have watched. very few shortcuts.

[@DirtPerfect]

Very good group